The SUPER ULTIMATE Fire Emblem Tier List (Ft. Mekkah, Bopper, Choops, Linkking & JaeAIK)

[@CamelinCD]

Imagine my shock tuning into this and five hours in suddenly hearing myself be mentioned???? Thanks lol! That was surreal. ……That said I can’t believe the way y’all did my boy Dimitri SMH😤‼️‼️ He abandons revenge and craziness because it was never what he wanted-he says it was an obligation he felt he inherited from the dead! It’s born of empathy! And he returns from it! Because he! Was always! Himself! And just needed Rodrigue (the dead) to tell him they *don’t* want him to take revenge🫵 😭! Also Choops is based and 3H should be at the PEAK of S 3H maddening is the most fun gameplay experience ever smh 🗣‼️ that is all thank you goodnight

[@Danitron904]

With all due respect, what do you find in Maddening 3h to be so fun? I am finding the gameplay abysmal.

[@ninjakirby777]

@@Danitron904it feels more fair compared to other hardest difficulties in other games imo.

[@Danitron904]

@@ninjakirby777 How so? 3h's maddening starts off overwhelmingly hard in the first 4 chapters, gets easier by the latter half of white clouds, before going off the rails in post-time skip and paralogues. A good, fair higherst difficulty, like engage or Cq, stays consistently hard but manageable throughout, and 3h did not do that.

[@SpeedyHawk]

Pinning this so people can check out your Engage Critique! Going to ignore everything you said below that and just smile :)

[@ninjakirby777]

@@Danitron904 what difficulty are you referring to for conq and engage? I’m assuming the highest one. As for why I think three houses is the most fair, because it has consistency. Between divine pulse and combat arts which increase accuracy it’s really unlikely you lose a map because you a map to randomly missing an attack you needed to hit at like 80% hitrate cause you can just use a combat art to boost that accuracy. I have however lost a map in conquest because Camilla missed an 80% hit and then after I reset she missed that same 80% hit on the same enemy causing me to have to reset the map again.

[@cobbcannon3423]

For anyone wondering what the average ratings out of 5 for each game were: Path of Radiance - 4.66 Radiant Dawn - 4.5 Blazing Blade - 4.33 Sacred Stones - 4 Genealogy of the Holy War - 3.83 Echoes: Shadows of Valentia - 3.83 Binding Blade - 3.66 Fates Conquest - 3.5 Thracia 776 - 3.33 Three Houses - 3.16 Awakening - 3 Engage - 2.83 Mystery of the Emblem - 2.66 New Mystery of the Emblem - 2.66 Shadow Dragon - 2.33 Gaiden - 2.2 Fates Birthright - 2 Shadow Dragon & The Blade of Light - 1.8 Fates Revelation - 1.6

[@cd4playa1245]

This entire video really shocked me, excluding PoR being the top pick. But the 2-4 spots were a surprise. And the fact that Echoes scored higher than 3 Houses is also kinda crazy.

[@bismix4]

This tier list

[@lspuria8440]

This F is for you bismix Man did not recieve an invitation in his mail box 😞 F Definitely is list of Tiers tho.

[@SpeedyHawk]

@@lspuria8440He 100% received an invitation, he told me to take a hike.

[@emrakultpe]

Its ok biz. They put tellius in S tier where it belongs. Our job is done.

[@lspuria8440]

@@SpeedyHawk so you played Genealogy to simulate the hike got it.

[@handlesarestupid154]

​@@SpeedyHawk in a polite way I hope 😂

[@TheKreve]

I adore the little smileys. It such a nice way to portrait how everyone is feeling about a certain game before the discussion starts.

[@SpeedyHawk]

Thank you, I'm glad you like them!

[@Yuribird46]

This video has made me realise a 5 man co-op with this group would be crazy

[@JonoabboFE]

Haven't watched yet, but the original version of this tier list back in 2019 was one of the big inspirations and motivators in me creating my own FE content. Love that there is a new version, and love that you didn't hold back on the length. Can't wait to watch this.

[@SpeedyHawk]

I'm glad the original could inspire you to make FE videos :)

[@qwert1043]

I am unfathomably hyped for Bopper v. Choops on Sacred Stones. I’ve been waiting years for this. Edit: Did not expect the "9/11" of Fire Emblem

[@moo2860]

I have been waiting for this 🙏🙏

[@SpeedyHawk]

Thank you very much Moo, I hope you liked it!

[@Profecy02]

This has been in the making for so long that it starts with 'Engage came out this year'

[@tempest1702]

2:20:18 the reason to not grind every unit to max level in the tower of valni is because it's uninteresting over a large span of time. Take dark souls for example, literally ubiquitous for difficulty and challenge in games and you can literally grind as much exp as you want. Nobody does it because it is a gross waste of time. I think the tower of valni works in the same way; players can balance the mode by simply deciding that its not fun or interesting and is just there to get people through the game in a pinch or for super dedicated players.

[@MisterZebra42]

As far as I’m concerned all Tower of Valni does is let you get characters like Amelia or Ewan to a usable state without having to burden yourself across multiple maps finding spare kills for them. In every other game they would be insta-benched without a second thought - Tower of Valni just means you have a few more options at the cost of only a little time.

[@femto9838]

If you think im just gonna sit down and watch a 5 hour tier list video about fire emblem you're absolutely right

[@dimik6745]

i am not joking, this is the sickest fire emblem crossover ever

[@thequackoZ]

Im just wondering why Choops wierd expertise graph has 1/5 Presentation when in every stream he DOESNT SHUT UP about game music, for like 2 hours a night. That Yamaha XG Midi is half his personality.

[@SpeedyHawk]

We filled out the "Value Charts" ourselves, his words not mine hahaha

[@Oblivionknight]

Tellius continues to win 😎

[@TrueYankeeFan]

Mekkah's deadpan "WTF" at 1:50:43 made me burst out laughing so hard

[@lordsfantasy9684]

Super happy to see another fire emblem tier list!!💪 loved the last one

[@fabbles]

Thank you for putting all the hours into this, Speedy! It was a great listen all the way through.

[@jokx4409]

I'm so happy we got another one. I watched the original so many times despite being so long. It's a shame bismix isn't here this time, but I'll live with it.

[@SpeedyHawk]

Wish he was here!

[@lspuria8440]

HOLY CRAP THE LONG AWAITED SEQUEL. I listened to the ultimate tier list like multiple times. Even fell asleep to it once. Looking forward to what changes in this list.

[@michael-oy7rt]

"thats mid-tier story analysis" SO TRUE.... we need literary criticism

[@murarmight]

What an amazing video, love to listen all these opinions, specially live for Bopper and Choops

[@jaeaik]

This tier list sucks

[@peridrawland5955]

A lot of Engage's original OST is middle-ish of the road regrettably, but I'm gonna just drop a short list of my fave tracks which I do consider bangers: - Tear Streaked (Ice) - Unshaken Royal Confidence (Might) - Bloom in the Breeze (Blossom) - Bright, Bold Sandstorm (Fiery) [basically the version without the HEY HEY]

[@AstraProc]

Engage's OST goes hard in my opinion. In fact, I like it more than the OST of three houses for a variety of reasons. The opening theme is undeniably terrible though. Final map theme isn’t great either. At least both these tracks only play once.

[@migu6528]

Thank you someone else that loves Bloom in the Breeze that theme is so underrated

[@dotsdfe]

Congrats on finishing the video! I know you worked super super hard on it. It turned out great!

[@SpeedyHawk]

🙏

[@Gr3yy]

8:05 Linking7 says it's 2023 was this video made last year and uploaded now?

[@clintwaki6936]

Yeah it was recorded in summer 2023 I think

[@SpeedyHawk]

@@clintwaki6936Yup! July 2023... I took my sweet time with this one.

[@Volk.Matrinex]

And now... What do I have to look forward to?

[@OfficialJugg]

Doesn't matter Uncle Speedy, Pokemon Conquest is S tier

[@hedreamt9455]

i agree

[@ZenJestr]

Tellius supremacy

[@KinDGrove]

Very nice, this is the best tier list ever

[@JetpackCat1106]

Good to listen to while fishing in three houses 🎣

[@yoder6162]

I think Awakening did have good supports past the C convo for most characters and there were a few good C conversations for some characters, like when Panne talks to Olivia or when Tharja is paired with Libra. Even Robin becomes a much more interesting person the more supports you unlock with them and some of them are actually different depending on Robin's gender and the other character.

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

Chrom and Sully is one of my favorites. The tomboy and the royal who have known each other since childhood, the tomboy working so hard to keep up puts her at odds of wanting to be seen as equal to the men but still wanting to be seen as a lady, and Chrom loving her for exactly who she is. They don't produce the best children in terms of gameplay, but their supports are fantastic too. Lucina and Kjelle both trying to build bonds with their parents is great. I'm just a sucker for opposites attracting. Like having meathead Vaike and genius Miriel finding love and listening to them talk about their same feelings in such different ways is great.

[@exalt7787]

I'm glad we can all agree that the Tellius games are GOATed

[@absoul112]

So you're never gonna complain about Hbomberguy's 4 hour long videos again, right?

[@SpeedyHawk]

Correct.

[@jasondads9509]

Oooh a proper tier list that isny super skewed!

[@captainnickname293]

This has some really funny commentary, I loved watching and listening to both lists! Looking at both, it seems just like this list was a bit more positive than the last, which was neat to see. HEY! HEY!

[@peste4592]

2:55:46 well in theory fe3 was the first game to do this with the star shards, if someone holding them die they go to the convoy

[@zachary_gongaga]

i really like this podcast cant wait for episode 2

[@cd4playa1245]

Crazy how radiant dawn got rated so high. It’s usually lower on most lists.

[@belle9588]

YOOO LETS GOO I am honestly a very casual Fire Emblem fan and haven't played a majority of the titles, but I really enjoyed listening to everyone's opinions and passion for the franchise! Ty for the video and for all the hard work

[@SJtheMFZB]

Withholding like for Radiant Dawn, that shite. What almost salvages the effort is the universal placid face for FE13. It's different, alright, but people who play a lot of Fire Emblem besides definitely notice what's missing.

[@freewheaties]

I never thought I would agree with Choops How the tables have turned

[@Terywj]

IT'S HERE \o/

[@ungabungus01]

The coping about fe6 was hardcore. Everyone mentioned and agreed upon all the terrible things about it and the rankings were neutral lol

[@lightbrand_]

I love how astonished mekkah was with choops’ statement on the fe3 vs fe12 economy, it was so funny

[@ShinyPuffHD]

3 houses slander is astounding it has THE BEST CAST OF CHARACTERS BY FAR AND THE STORY AND MUSIC IS PEAK

[@Aliyaaaa]

Not the best, bit definetly top tier, loved three houses

[@SeveNStarSeveN]

The gameplay was extremely bad and had some of the worst mechanics and maps. It is also one of the ugliest games ever released which most three houses fans even admit. The story and characters are mid but that's more subjective. I'll give you music and voice acting tho.

[@ShinyPuffHD]

@@SeveNStarSeveN stop the cap

[@tanmayoken159]

Three house already have perfect story If three house don't have time limit like Persona give us more freedom and have good gameplay It could have been perfect

[@josefarias1119]

@@SeveNStarSeveN Thanks for the great description of Fire Emblem Engage

[@breadbaskets2772]

Why did you not mention sommie during the engage portion? Very integral to the entire game, probably the best part of engage

[@SpeedyHawk]

Sommie was 100% mentioned as "a dog who shits gems"

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

Sommie completely clashes with the other animals in the game. I firmly believe most people enjoy him ironically.

[@gamefreeck90]

@@AkameGaKillfan777 He's not an animal though, he's the guardian spirit of the Somniel And he's amazing and wonderful, very much unironically

[@Stanley557]

Banger video! Although the comment about you and booper playing through the rev ironman dated the recording back between 7-8 months

[@Tobi_101]

I’ve been waiting for another tier list since THE LAST ONE

[@redoxred4375]

Worth the wait! Thank you Speedy and all the bois. List wasn’t bad.

[@redoxred4375]

Conquest gameplay still peak

[@ellachino4799]

FE1 is WAY better balanced than Shadow Dragon, thank you for bringing it up. I like iron manning it because late joiners like Samson and Arran are actually really good - they may not be the best but they pull their weight.

[@cloverraven]

Great video

[@fationmuhollari9768]

I started with DS shadow dragon and fell in love with the series. I think you're too hard on it as always.

[@Sonic0330]

Very glad to be seeing a new update to this tier list as I'm currently in the process of playing every game in the series in order of release(Fates is next) and its really made me have various opinions that I wouldn't have expected!

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Fantastic rankings. Radiant Dawn and Sacred Stones are my favorites for a reason. (Also enjoyed Shadows of Valentia more than I expected).

[@zach8974]

Really fun video, I just wish there was some indication on who was talking,

[@FuronPox123]

I mean this so seriously, I could listen to you 6 talk about the FE games for like 15 more hours. You should absolutely make this a tradition every tike a new FE game comes out, and I wouldn't mind if you did an FE spinoff tier list either.

[@evilmurlock]

Great video. In fe5 I used the change-starting position feature only once, for the final map. I dont think I would have been able to beat it otherwise.

[@NuageMH]

27:30 can you spell the dude's name please? I'm interested in his review series but can't find it.

[@ninjakirby777]

Shanebrained

[@NuageMH]

thanks!@@ninjakirby777

[@BylethsBoba776]

Three houses being under Binding Blade is a joke, choops is a real one

[@lspuria8440]

Who could have guessed that BylethsBoba with a Byleth Pfp would love 3H?!?! Really depends what you value in a Fe game. Fe6 has a better gameplay flow imo.

[@BylethsBoba776]

@@lspuria8440 tbh I don’t like the actual gameplay of 3H compared to Fe4, por, etc. Blue Lions hard carries 3H and without it, it’s a mid game

[@lspuria8440]

@@BylethsBoba776 I can get behind that take. I only played Golden deer and couldn't click with the game. Man I've been recently rereplaying Fe4 and it's so Goated.

[@BylethsBoba776]

@@lspuria8440 so true 🙏

[@Aliyaaaa]

Three houses was so enjoyable. I loved the different routes, it broke my heart fighting the friends from before, the story was very nice done.

[@scrubian5425]

Its funny that if genealogy and echoes move up one tier its a perfect balance on the chart. As long as both tellius games are s tier I'm a happy camper bc the other games I can feel different about on different days. Also it was extremely funny seeing the reveal for the smileys on awakening. Just all straight mids (aside from choops abstaining)

[@chingading957]

This is a great video. Love all you guys. Please do more collabs

[@DzsonaB]

As someone who wants to get into the series I really appricate this tier list

[@naota909]

I was instructed to leave a comment saying Choops is "based" which I'm assuming it's what the zoomers mean when you're really really adept at bass clarinet

[@topazphoenix6301]

It would be really neat if you and the other popular FEHtubers got your channels together for a massive tournament to decide the best character artwork in FEH, to be decided by audience votes

[@chandlerholloway2047]

3:10:55 - Bopper's delivery of that line had me dead. Peak comedy. Edit: I would've loved to hear Raisin's opinions too - love watching him as well as him and Mekkah slap the Fire Emblem games, but, that might've extended the video length quite a bit just based on how long his preps take.. :P Edit Edit: I...agree.

[@TerminaFE]

Any list spawned from 5 hours of discussion is inherently going to be over discussed to the point where nobody should take it seriously, but it will be interesting to see other people's opinions of each game. I will probably make my own list on the side as I chip away at this vid over the next two months.

[@tiborn1559]

Ay ay ay Thats really all I wanted to say, nice tier list

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

There's no ranking system in Sacred Stones, when you clear the Tower or Ruins there's a Combat Record, turns taken, exp gained, etc but it doesn't assign a rank.

[@migu6528]

wow bad tier list edit: tellius and jugdral at the top 👌great tier list

[@Choops6969]

no it isnt

[@migu6528]

@@Choops6969 this was my first impressions of the first 5 seconds of the tier list i will watch it soon and edit my comment after 😎

[@migu6528]

@@Choops6969 im excited to hear your thoughts on Sacred Stones 🙂

[@SkarneZ]

Hmm now i know which games to try next!

[@fenderfan11]

three houses in the same tier as awakening and engage tell me all i need to know

[@Mehlhaff]

I think moving forward, there should be a highlight indicator on who is speaking. I get lost with who is speaking. I don't listen to ALL these creators, but showcasing each one's opinion is great. I just think it's hard to follow who is speaking without being familiar with all their content. Thanks for the video. Very entertaining.

[@cross7679]

TELLIUS BIAS IS REAL AND WE LOVE IT

[@theboostedbaboon4586]

Fun video! Enjoyed the watch. Surprised to see everyone liked Tellius so much. Ive played all the games and those were my least favorite (outside of playing fe1-3 over their remakes)

[@oof5992]

Conquest in the same tier as awakening Wow

[@SpeedyHawk]

Tell me about it :(

[@oscarhannerz6986]

4.27.30 what bopper says here was so true for me, only i didnt finish the game out of obligation, I stopped playing for a few months and then started a new file. Played on that file until eventually the same thing happened again. Both times on the lumera map, literally just before the finish line. Then only about two months ago I made a new file and actually beat the game this time. Cant say I love engage but it has one of the best mid-game sections of all the fire emblems

[@squatch1565]

Glad to listen to 5 idiots and (you decide 😈) discuss Fire Emblem. At the very least, I can wholeheartedly agree with S-tier. In regards to Engage's story, one thing I think that may have helped is if they had made each of the Four Hounds a rival to one of the four crown lords. Ivy and Zephia is the obvious choice, with Ivy running away from the kingdom worshipping Zephia's master, providing the latter opportunities to pester her about it. Alfred vs Mauvier has the two "knightly" characters pitted against each other, Timerra vs Marni has the two more jovial characters fighting, and I could see Griss viewing Diamant as a strong opponent (I'd also rewrite Griss to have his masochism come from the shounen trope of characters who just enjoy fighting, and make him a Martial Monk with a personal skill boosting his damage with gauntlets). It also matches up pretty well with the unit types--flying women, cavalry guys, and the foot-based girls and guys.

[@Pr0c]

I agree

[@xdan-]

I wish I knew which person is talking at each given time.

[@Anonymos185]

Tellius is peak. Great tier list

[@SeveNStarSeveN]

Most of my favorites are in B tier, Echoes, Conquest, and Engage lol. PoR deserves S, but idk about Radiant Dawn.

[@randommodnar1669]

See you in 4 more years!

[@saberfroste8376]

What ice cream?!

[@SpeedyHawk]

I NEED TO KNOW!!!!!

[@freewheaties]

I like shoveling snow irl and I tolerate it in revelation

[@DieuDeMort]

The point during the Awakening section, where the debate was as to if FE13's success was from advertising or from relative game selection, here's what I'll add. I'd been an Ike main in Smash for a while, was interested in FE, but not enough to seek it out. One day I was messing around on my 3DS, and I saw the demo for Awakening. Played it, had fun, but sadly never bought the game (No $). I don't remember if I knew of Awakening, and if so, how much, but the Awakening demo was my first FE. At this point, I've played Birthright + Conquest, Shadows, 3H, and Engage, I desperately need to go back and finish the series as a whole. At one point I had all the ROMs saved and ready for when I homebrewed my Switch too...

[@SomniaCE]

"The cover sucks would you buy that?" Yea, I sure did in middle school :S

[@マリー-v4p]

Good video. I think Engage’s story is worse because conquest’s is at least funny.

[@nuibaba280]

Conquest was not that funny, as they pointed out, the script was insufferable with only 3 or so funny moments. That's not enough, Engage just has slightly higher lows than Fates.

[@マリー-v4p]

@@nuibaba280 nah conquest is funny. The mysterious dancer scene, rainbow sage, Camilla…

[@マリー-v4p]

As an aside conquest also has great music and art direction, I think. That with the game play/maps pushes it to A imo.

[@nuibaba280]

@@マリー-v4p Nah, the story and characters suck too bad. It drags it down to B tier. It's really not as funny as you're hyping it up to be. It's a mediocre story with a few funny moments scattered thoroughout. Camilla really isn't funny either.

[@マリー-v4p]

@@nuibaba280lmao ok

[@MoogleMecha]

My genuinely hot insane take is that FE1 Item Management isn't _that_ bad, it requires you to plan ahead, and it was so annoying that now every time I see the item break in any Fire Emblem I still get a bit of joy that I won't have to deal with it, and honestly, that was kind of a fun experience and has made me enjoy the entire rest of the series more.

[@tanyaesquivel2518]

Idk if youll see this Choops, but ive been watching you for years and you've always made me smile :3 thank you!

[@Letaxo]

Yoooo, it's here! After watching 6h+ in VODs every week, these almost 5h are a nice bonus. So when's the next big video?

[@SpeedyHawk]

2025!

[@tostisgood]

I really liked the final boss of Radiant Dawn. Considering the scale of things in that game, it absolutely makes sense that they should be a nigh-overwhelming force. The game gives you the tools to succeed at a difficult fight.

[@PharaohofAtlantis]

Every FE game except Path of Radiance is B. I will not be taking questions at this time.

[@Choops6969]

this tierlist is a kindof whorish, no?

[@mystikalliger6937]

I agree

[@BTrainStudio]

What I got from this video is that Tellius is peak, Judgral is awesome and genre-defining, and Sacred Stones deserves S tier.

[@SonicLegends]

Indeed, I couldn't have disagreed more with Choops on his rant on the story especially with regard to Eirika and Lyon as the former falling for the ploy in being tricked into handing over the sacred stone was much more believable than lol Celica's moment of stupidity in trusting obvious bad that's done nothing but actively try to kill Celica and co, especially assuming if you recruited Sonya who has a rare vs conversation with Jedah. Not only is the best friend angle there for trusting, but through flashback Eirika has been told by Lyon about his stone research managing to save a little girl from fire wounds and ridding them, so she does have something to go off by to save her friend's life. Plus Eirika mentioning the gentle prince son who she is friends with of the once ally neighboring nation that's all of a sudden attacking and wondering how he's doing with the current dilemma comes out of nowhere? Say it ain't so! It's almost as if they're actually well written real friends that care about eachother. That said, wish the game had been placed above Blazing Blade as its story is much more flawed such as how Ursula's excuses for not going after Ninian and Nils when she was tasked to and not being punished for it given the Black Fang's code from her "other business to attend to" never addressed for what was more important than getting the siblings compared to Valter who allows both Eirika and Ephraim go because of his self-serving goals at allowing the war to continue on longer (hence killing Glen) and wanting to savor the hunt/fruit to ripe (he's basically FE's version of Hisoka from HxH). So yeah, otherwise a great ranking list.

[@Ajihn]

4 and a 1/2 hours of bad takes 🥹. ITS PEAK FE CONTENT YOUR HONOR. NO ONE COULD DO IT BETTER THAN THESE 6. Thank you for the video speedy!

[@ninjakirby777]

Man I feel like every criticism speedy had of three houses were things I liked, to take one example he says he hates how front-loaded the characters are but I love it when characters are front-loaded and I hate recruits who join late in games.

[@SpeedyHawk]

sorry :(

[@ninjakirby777]

@@SpeedyHawknothing against you bro, I just think late game recruits are a lose/lose, either you use them to replace a unit you’ve been using for a character you’ve been using for like half the game and that’s a feels bad knowing all that training was for nothing cause the new recruit is super op, Or they have worse stats and they just get benched because why would players want to use a character they know nothing about that is Worse!

[@quickpawmaud]

Where is Ghast? Also I wish you had a visual to see who is talking. I don't have every voice down perfectly. I can tell between Mekkah and Choops every time and usually Link but that is about it.

[@Choops6969]

if you agree with what is being said, that's me.

[@quickpawmaud]

@@Choops6969 well you did get me to play FE4 and that is now like in my top 3 FE games. You do hate my favorite game in the series Sacred Stones though... I would probably put Characters, Gameplay, Story, Presentation, Map Design in that order lol. Franz x Amelia is one of the only ships I really support in FE.

[@SpeedyHawk]

Really did want the visualizers like I had in the last video, but with the length and the amount of tracks, it ended up being too much of a headache. I totally get not recognizing our voices easily, but hopefully our words were more important than who we were

[@Choops6969]

cope@@SpeedyHawk

[@amrithas182]

I think three houses could have been path of radiance level if they took the base system from that game and implemented it like that(at least for part 2)

[@thebluePumpking]

Oh! It is actually real?!

[@Hatchumosc1]

They should actually include Tear Ring and Berwick in these vids