The Supernatural Finale Aired, And Tumblr Exploded

Supernatural ended. Tumblr went wild. What happened, and how did it get so insane?
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[@SarahZ]

THE EDITOR HAS COME CLEAN, ITALIAN DUB OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED FAKE: dingdongyouarewrong.tumblr.com/post/636274550105161728/sorry-and-thank-you-i-want-to-thank-you-all-for

[@celestialbr0nze]

@@parkere.6881 she reblogged the post from the one who originally posted it

[@parkere.6881]

@@celestialbr0nze oooh im just Big Dumb thanks, i went back to look at the post again and it very clearly is reblogged its just been A Whole Freaking Day for me

[@martinasophiaisaksen3034]

Well this was all a fucking wild ride

[@kingoftropes922]

Sarah don't be naive. Clearly they were silenced by the higher ups at the CW for revealing the meaning of the scene #StayWoke #Hellers

[@antoniocarlosgoncalvesfilho]

@@kingoftropes922 so... the CW (famous for having a lot of representation of LGBT+ characters in their shows) had gone full illuminati and had gone to absurd lenghs just to censor a single line...? That doesn't sound at all... a little bit contrive? Just a little?

[@yaya-mk3nn]

here’s how johnlock can still win:

[@youraveragemusicperson2176]

SECRET FIFTH GOOD SHERLOCK SEASON

[@joelsytairo6338]

1 Martin Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch get married 2 start a new studio and buy the rights to Sherlock 3 Secret good episode gets released 4 The world burns anyway and nothing matters because it’s 2020.

[@EroticInferno]

Stop it

[@trentoatman2998]

Initially I thought this was about the philosopher John Locke 😂

[@joelsytairo6338]

@@trentoatman2998 ur way too sophisticated to be in this comments section

[@j.b9218]

"Are they gay?": boring, can attract homophobes, gets you turbo warped to super hell. "Are they _[Spanish dubbed]?"_ : exciting, invites the homoerotic confessions of love, might still send you to _súper infierno_

[@basildoingthings819]

UNDERRATED COMMENT

[@redundantqwail9088]

Can I get this in meme format?

[@eekembookum]

Is he, y'know... dubbed in Spanish?

[@fruitygarlic3601]

Harkens to the classic European tradition of suggesting other cultures invented homosexuality - this time without the xenophobia.

[@moosekalz254]

yooo i was the 1000th like

[@timothymclean]

Jensen Ackles: I don't like how Dean dies. Eric Kripke: You have to look at it from a fan perspective. Fans: I don't like how Dean dies.

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

dean is not my favorite character but they put him down like a dog really. i feel sorry for people who grew up with that character who went through ups and owns in their life and made memories with the show. i feel like dean was written in 2 difference ways at the same time, cool hero but cold gangster enforcer, they put him down like someone who lead a life of crime would go. instead of a blaze of glory or happy ending. the fans idolized dean. i wonder what the writers really thought of him. spn was15 seasons, truly as world to get lost in. i would call the second to last ep the final episode for me.

[@twistedelegance_]

I never liked either. Both are misogynistic, homophobic and white privilege personafied. They think they can police the world in this mediaval mindset, and never grow as people. Sam's only face looks like he smelled a fart, the actor isn't very good. Towards the end you can see the camera awkwardly cuts away quickly before Sam makes that face. The side characters were THE talent and what carried the show. Not the "main characters".

[@commiewhacker4033]

I feel so out there for liking the way he dies lol. He died how he wanted to, swinging. I thought it was poetic in how it went down and I was satisfied. I didn't think it was a perfect ending, but it was as good as it was going to get 15 seasons in. I don't think it should be brought back and I don't think the ending was that bad.

[@joocymangoes]

@@commiewhacker4033 ugh i wish i could feel that way, it sounds so peaceful lmao😭 my issue w dean’s ending is that the entire show, from start to finish, dean was battling mental health issues and suicidal thoughts, and he wanted to quit hunting from the start, but believed he’d never be able to, and that he’d die on a hunt. to have him then actually die on a hunt, from a treatable injury, felt extremely disrespectful to the character to me and ignored any and all character development they’d written for dean. i just can’t be satisfied with a show that ran for 15 years and then ended exactly the way it started, the whole point of a story is to have DEVELOPMENT and then not just ignore that development in the very last 40 mins of the 327 episode show😭

[@deadpooldan9862]

@@GotoMaki4Micahno, they put him down like a hunter, which is what he is. That was his happy ending, going down saving people. He always knew it was gonna end like that because he never imagined being anything else, and this was made clear in the Lebanon episode

[@davidtaylor142]

"Character confesses homosexual feelings for another main character and literally immediately dies" That's the most CW thing I've ever heard

[@TheLastSane1]

Does he actually die though? I mean if you got teleported to heaven, in your meat suit. Did you die? Or are you just in heaven? I think Castiel just gets yanked into the Empty still alive which btw makes no fucking sense given that the Empty is annoyed people keep waking it up but it brings someone who is not "Asleep" into it as punishment? Lets face it that storyline was bunk.

[@ambergathings7160]

They did that with Clarke and Lexa

[@GenerationalDisappointment]

Normalize platonic love between men. This is why it's so hard for men to show emotion to each other, they'll get labeled homosexual by those who only think they understand what's going on.

[@davidtaylor142]

@@GenerationalDisappointment I get it, but the video does s good job explaining how it's clearly supposed to at least be easily translatable as gay

[@meowdyllic]

@@GenerationalDisappointmentbeing labelled homosexual isnt a bad thing though why should those guys even give a fuck

[@suspiciousgay6705]

jensen ackles: hey i’m not so happy with how this turned out kripke: maybe look at it how from the audience’s perspective the audience: hey i’m not so happy with how this turned out

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

Facts.

[@Mngalahad]

i imagine that motivational line only applied to the actresses of the show. "I dont want to die" "Actually, try to imagine what the fans want".

[@bingewatcherfanatic996]

The ending was so bad

[@phalamy9180]

Jansen Ackles: Hey I don't know if I liked this ending Kripke: Just look at it from the audiences perspective The audience: *This ending f*cking sucks!*

[@TheJadedJames]

It wouldn't surprise me if the discussion went more like ... JENSEN ACKLES: My character literally defeats God, but gets killed by a nail a week later? I think it is kind of lame that I'm going out like this. KRIPKE : The producers made the executive decision that permanent on screen deaths of both brothers is the only way to make the story feel totally over.

[@LilyJoeM]

things supernatural is indirectly responsible for: -riverdale i'm a weirdo scene -omegaverse lawsuit

[@charlieh4607]

THE IM A WEIRDO SCENE? WHAT AM I MISSING

[@LilyJoeM]

@@charlieh4607 she explains this in the video, from 28:36 to 29:55 :)

[@iwashere3167]

The whAT lawsuit 💀💀💀💀😭😭

[@WraithMagus]

@@iwashere3167 Lindsay Ellis did a video on it a couple months ago - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJm6iJaNqaaIpbs

[@LilyJoeM]

​@@iwashere3167 ...well, if you'd like to watch another video essay on youtube just search 'Lindsay Ellis Into The Omegaverse: How a Fanfic Trope Landed in Federal Court', it's worth watching. Really REALLY extreme summary: kinky wolf erotica sub genre that originated in the supernatural fandom becomes so popular that it's used in other fandoms and in published books, and then becomes the center of several DMCA takedowns and lawsuits and an entire discussion about copyright. Believe it or not, the New York Times even wrote an entire article about this!

[@emohatsunemiku578]

"Destiel is canon- but only in S P A N I S H" is the funniest sentence I have come across in DECADES

[@mimsycookiiess]

I couldn't stop laughing lmaooo! 😭

[@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide]

You're not even 2 decades old son....

[@deadpooldan9862]

It’s not even canon then, it’s not canon anywhere. I know Dean said “Y mi tu” but he really said “Don’t do this Cas.” It’s been stated that’s a rouge translation.

[@devilinred3319]

@@deadpooldan9862 hi, mexican *who speaks spanish as first language here*, and you english speakers have to know someting about the "canon" in Latin america. Sometimes english canon DOESNT MATTER AT ALL. WE HAVE CHANGE MOVIES AND SERIES STORIES FOR YEARS!!! (specially in the 70s and 80s), sometimes because the american humor just dont vibe with latinos and the references are to "american niche", so they change things to be more regional for the latinos (depends what country does the traduction, México its the most playfull with their accents and scritps, to the point of have controversies for that with other spanish speaking fans -yes im looking at you Aventure time-). SOOO... that Castiel and Dean scene in spanish goes like this: (BTW "Te amo" its only use for very pasionate and strong love in Latin america, and usually its romantic; men dont used with friends cause of the macho stereotype, so in TV is not use it between men so easily). Castiel: I love you, dean Dean: I love you too cass Im not even a shipper, i drop supernatural in season 9, but the scene she puts in the video really suprise me, again the voice actor doing their shananigans. So yeah, sometimes spanish TV its another reality.

[@danebirbhaha7520]

​@@devilinred3319exactly, regardless of how it came to be. In Spanish, Destiel is canon

[@aidanchilders9043]

I'm not sure if it's been addressed or not, but in hindsight it's clear that both in conception and execution this was a show aimed squarely at an audience of Boomer Dads - the neo-western vibes with classic rock music, two manly man brothers and their older even manlier man dad driving around in a classic muscle car killing demons from the Bible and where every woman on the show is either dead, evil, or about to switch from one state of being to the other - aka the very designed-in-a-lab platonic ideal of a Dad Show. So the writers were clearly both unprepared and COMPLETELY blown away when their audience turned out to be 90% teenage girls,, young women, and gay people, a demographic they clearly had no idea how to satisfy, and then impressively, managed to spend almost twenty years of television on the air without hiring anyone for the writer's room who DID.

[@fossilfighters101]

that makes sense

[@ZadnoleyaEdits]

There it is.

[@maggiedk]

I just find this a bit baffling as someone who grew up with Buffy and could tell how much influence it had on Supernatural as early as the first season. Like, did they not realize that it would appeal to similar audiences? Especially on a network like the CW. Or maybe they hoped creating a show like Buffy (demon hunting, monster of the week, comedic but dark) but taking out any semblance of feminist messaging would appeal to an entirely different audience. They wanted to make Buffy for bigoted dads.

[@RexytheRexy]

13 years after being introduced to this show, it all makes sense now.

[@devilinred3319]

THIS. When i saw the show with my family (we arent for the states btw), my dad isnt into fantasy or magic so he didnt past ep 2; but my grandma, aunt and my mom FALL IN LOVE for this show, for jensen and jared. To the point they binge watch in netflix (of our country) the whole series to that point in a really short period of time. I mean they kinda did adult pijama parties to watch all night. Was wild. And neither my dad our uncles get to far in the show, they said it was good but... the dropped really fast.

[@vibrantgray]

Putin’s silence on all of this is deafening

[@ilexdiapason]

underrated comment

[@NootalieWalf]

Underrated comment alert 🚨 I’m dying lmao

[@laurenr5446]

I hate that I know what this is referring to

[@vibrantgray]

nice to see we all have the exact same brain rot and were logged into tumblr on nov 5th

[@JuLiane]

This was the funniest shit I have ever seen. I didn't sleep a second after 15x18 (but where I am SPN airs at 2am which I watched via livestream so it was already the middle of the night) and spent the whole night on twitter and tumblr reblogging memes and screaming. I don't know when I last laughed so much about a thing than I laughed about the destiel putin election memes that night.

[@TheLastHylianTitan]

“Destiel is canon but only in Spanish” It’s official - the L in LGBT stands for Latinos. (Dramatic guitar chord)

[@cpsbBXCX]

*open E chord strummed quickly on a classical guitar*

[@sophiesorbit]

i wanna give this a thumbs up but theres 420 likes rn i cant be the one to ruin that

[@TheLastHylianTitan]

@@sophiesorbit have no fear, for I will do it for you.

[@evvilprisma1755]

Latinamerican dubb is one of the best if I may say so, the variety of words and meanings makes it really unique. In this particular case I feel it was made that way in service of congruence.

[@GOFFBITZH666]

@@pulchrare2 No it wasn’t, only the Italian one.

[@xxrawrgameremo98xx86]

I can't help but think how both misogynistic and gay fetishizing it is for people to attack any woman who *dares* exist in the universe but would gladly ship and celebrate the first man who appears.

[@MichiruEll]

I think it's absolutely not okay to attack the actresses, but the characters... most of them were quite boring to me. They felt underwritten, because it felt like their main reason for existing was as love interests. However, in later seasons, we got Charlie and Rowena who were both wonderful. And I am still so angry at what they did to Charlie. Her death was so pointless. Justice for Charlie.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

@@MichiruEll i absolutely get that the female love interests were basically nothing characters but they werent being critiqued because they were nothing characters, they were basically being blasted because they were women, and that was unfortunately just how a lot of fandoms were

[@idonthaveanoriginalname2881]

I'm bi and I always likes women more, but most of the women on the show are very annoying to me. People like Castiel, because he's a very likable character. He's a cutie. I myself am a woman, but I just can't find anything likable with these characters. Most of them seem kinda mean tbh.

[@Nirax3]

I've thought about this issue a lot (and written essays about it in university in hopes of clearing things up for myself) but I haven't found a definitive answer yet about why exactly this happens. I really think badly written female characters are a big reason why slash shipping happened in the first place - no one wants to watch OR identify with shallow characters built around sexist stereotypes. Henry Jenkins speculated (among other hot takes lol) in Textual Poachers, written in 1992, that slash fiction could be an easy way to explore equal relationships untainted by patriarchal power dynamics. I'm not sure because I haven't been active in Fandom spaces for some years now but I feel like since we've gotten more diverse female representation, this has gotten a bit better? Like other commenters said: Supernatural was a tricky one because most of its female characters early on are terribly written (although I personally liked not only Charlie but also Meg when I was younger - again: retired fan over here, no idea what happened to them in the last few seasons). For example, I look at The Witcher and of course people ship Geralt with Jaskier, but I haven't seen a lot of hate from these shippers towards Yennefer (Geralt's Canon love interest) because the female (!) showrunner went out of her way to portray Yennefer as an interesting, relatable character. Then again, I might just be missing the hate from slash fans because the hate from angry and misogynistic cishet male video game nerds is louder. All of that being said, I can't deny that a lot of male slash shipping by female fans *feels* fetishizing sometimes, and I say that as a bi woman who's been there myself. The whole slash shipping thing, despite being a huge part of my own adolescence, remains a mystery to me that I can't quite put my finger on.

[@SistersTape]

@@Nirax3 very interesting arguments! I've been thinking about this issue lately too. I'm in a similar position as you and I think you make good points

[@mantis-manthegreat]

People hating on Ruby just for Sam's actor to marry Ruby's actress. Fucking power move.

[@ettaetta439]

I hated Ruby but only because it was super obvious she was going to be a villain to me. Plus, I was an intimacy-hating 12 year old, and icky blood s3x scenes made me hate seeing her because I was always watching Supernatural with my family. When I found Sam's actor married Ruby's actress I felt nothing but pure support and awe lmao, I at least knew she was hot so I was impressed.

[@emilywhite1429]

Moral of the story: there are no winners here, except for the members of Kansas collecting royalties for Carry on My Wayward Son

[@katherinealvarez9216]

They are getting the royalties, right?

[@robinmitchells]

There’s rumors floating around tumblr that there was an original version of the finale script that had the members of Kansas up in Dean’s heaven, heavily implying that they canonically die in the spn universe. Whether this is true or not, it’s still hilarious and makes me crack up every time I think about it.

[@ozlekosusturu]

and the actors buying ranches off con money

[@thomasraines1396]

@@robinmitchells it reminds me of the film this is the end where the Backstreet Boys appear in heaven and sing.

[@hrishiv27]

@@thomasraines1396 this is the end

[@queenoffabulous2156]

In the wise word of Jenny Nicholson, the worst thing an ending can do is make you feel stupid for caring in the first place

[@amuletangeldevil]

Which Jenny's video was this line in again ? I can't remember.

[@KOTEBANAROT]

@@amuletangeldevil probably rise of skywalker

[@MT-lk7qt]

@@amuletangeldevil rise of Skywalker breakdown

[@grandunification]

I would love to hear Jenny talk about this. I love your comment here, it's absolutely true!

[@nightlyowl9278]

Sherlock is quaking in its boots 😭

[@eredluin]

Watching this after the great "Misha Collins had to come out as straight on Twitter after accidentally coming out as bisexual for a bit at a convention" debacle of 2022... truly Supernatural is the curse that keeps on giving

[@thainganpham9705]

I cant believe spn fans got queerbaited long into 2022 😭

[@MarieJesne]

I had to look up what happened and I'm *baffled* like why would he say that to begin with LMFAO. It's not offensive so much as just confusing?! I thought maybe it was in response to a question but he said all that without prompting! «How many introverts in the audience? How many extroverts? How many bisexuals? *Well I'm all three!*» [slightly paraphrasing here but not by much.] Not sure how else he expected that to be interpreted, the whole situation is a bit funny to me 💀

[@naikigutierrez4279]

What

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

for (very late context) he meant to call himself an ambivert at a convention but forgot the word so he... called himself bisexual

[@GrandpaShagger69]

@@iwakeupandboomimarat It's like that one meme of the guy that forgot the word Bilingual so he said Bisexual

[@Elijah_Kujo]

I hate how we all know that if it was hetero, "angel saves human, learns what being human is while falling in love with said human" wouldn't be a setup they would look away from

[@lizabethhampton4537]

isn't that the plot of a 90s movie about the archangel Michael?

[@mericido5609]

If it was hetero, Castiel would've died a _long_ time ago.

[@ettaetta439]

​​@@mericido5609that is true but people were desperate for a ship they could like that was not wincest, so if they have Cas as a girl just as much depth as Cas as a man, and didn't immediately make them get together, then eventually lots of people would've probably come to like the ship. Most people hate forced romantic subplots, and they've come to learn that heterosexual romantic subplots are usually forced. But Dean and Cas had genuine chemistry and of course there still would've been backlash, but I don't think there would've been as much if they didn't immediately shove them together.

[@sauleiwanderapfelstrudel]

So.... English dean: straight Spanish/italian dean: bi German dean: homophobic

[@Yunie32]

w-what happened with the german dub

[@ChiSbaObePcheH11]

wait has the german dub come out lol? never watched the show but have been theorising for weeks on what the german dub is gonna have him say lol

[@autumnjacobs1164]

@@ChiSbaObePcheH11 i think it was that like in season 2 or something dean said the german version of f*g i don’t think it was with the new episodes

[@ZentaYason]

German here. That comment was in season 2, airing in Germany around 2007/2008. Back then there were not many repercussions for using derogatory words and people didn't think about those words being hurtful. Hell, Law and Order used the word tr*nny in German multiple times. We have come a long way since and no dub would use words like this anymore.

[@ciaociaro7669]

Wait what happened with the Italian dub? EDIT: Never mind I'm at the part of the video where Sarah explains it. Sorry 😅

[@gryffinhore9545]

I'm going to be honest, I thought "the car went to heterosexual heaven" tweet was parody.

[@soroneir1260]

I thought it was a parody until I saw the third person joke about it.

[@soupsoup4245]

So a fucking CAR goes to heaven and a confirmed bi/gay character goes to superhell?? Wow love that homophobia

[@robinmitchells]

@@soupsoup4245 I was telling my dad about the shitshow that has been the final episodes of supernatural and I said “so yeah the car goes to heaven but cas the angel doesn’t” and he went “where did he go then?” And I replied “superhell”. Dad gawked at me and cried “What did he do to deserve that?!” And I replied “confessed his love to Dean” and my dad, a raging homophobic man, said “he doesn’t deserve to be sent to superhell for *that*!” So, yeah, even the homophobes though that was bs lol

[@blitzie66]

@@robinmitchells i can confirm i was the dad

[@Annimations]

@@blitzie66 @rthathappenedpolice get em

[@Blue_Avatar]

"People are inherently lazy and wouldn't work without monetary motivation" Destiel fans: *investigate Italian film industry/frame rates*

[@icarus7198]

The last writer’s strike created Destiel. I can’t wait to see what fucking batshit fandom moments happen 12 years from now as a result of this strike

[@adriannethornheart8516]

can’t wait for someone to write a wish fanfic that’s better than the movie then to have disney steal the fic

[@wildlylucky]

my random guess is that it’ll be good omens related. idk how or why. i just feel the need to say this. perhaps it is the gift of prophecy. perhaps i am completely wrong. we will see

[@parkere.6881]

destiel actually becomes a canon relationship in sherlocks secret good episode

[@guillemmartinez9958]

Did someone say Superwholock crossover?

[@tatehildyard5332]

I smell the next Starkid musical

[@fleon4115]

@@guillemmartinez9958 pst, don't spoil dw Christmas special

[@dylanchouinard6141]

@@tatehildyard5332 a starkids musical parody of Supernatural? Excuse me but where do I give this ALL OF MY MONEY?!?!

[@froginatub]

and there actually WAS a conspiracy to cover up supernatural's original, gayer last episode, but it's because that episode made johnlock canon

[@ethel7255]

i thought i already knew every wild piece of info about destiel but "castiel exists because of unionization" bulldozed me

[@chteretreeart]

Same that sentence hit me like a semi

[@merrittanimation7721]

And they say labor unions and gays aren't related /s

[@mitak2535]

Based Cas

[@zimmerwald1915]

​@@merrittanimation7721 Eh, the Hollywood unions gave us Reagan, who among other things led a decade-long Operation Ignore on the AIDS epidemic and threw any number of his members under the McCarthyite/HUAC bus (which included outing them as non-straight in some cases).

[@merrittanimation7721]

@@zimmerwald1915 */s*

[@sweetsummarain]

I cannot BELIEVE how hard I laughed at "DEAN IS HOLDING BACK!" "Holding back a SLUR!" 🤣🤣

[@beep_the_foolish]

It's amazing that children's cartoons are better at handling gay/bi characters than shows made for adults that are extremely popular with the gay/bi community.

[@sleepingdogpro]

It's the "popular" bit that always gets me. I think a lot of them like the drama and don't actually want their ships canon. It stops all the yearning and fantasy and means they'd have to actually deal with imperfect real relationships between characters who may not work out. It's much easier to get mad at creators who never meant to write something gay than it is to seek out the (absolute ton) of well-written gay rep out there in the world and deal with those works on their own much more complex merits.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of really good stuff made by single small teams with some really good representation, I think that bigger teams have to consider demographics and revenue so they care more about the money than smaller artists

[@damien678]

@@sleepingdogpro As a queer person (in multiple ways) you're definitely onto something here. There are a lot of people that want to exist in the space of fighting for a gay ship instead of becomes mega fans of media with gay characters and ships already in it. However actual representation - especially those written by queer people - is much more heavily criticised. And queer creators typically get way bigger harrassment and hate campaigns against them than their fellow cishet creators. It's a really tragic phenomenon since this hate is lead by a LOT of other LGBTQ+ people as well. (and personally has made me want to just hint at characters being queer, or confirming it in more subtle ways, and not even being openly queer as a creator. some hate is always to be expected, but from your own community and allies?)

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@damien678 Lol someone's one cancelling away from becoming an alt-righter

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@sleepingdogpro What are you even talking about? The whole point of this video was that people were mad that their ship WASN'T confirmed but done in the nastiest possible way. Popular media SHOULD have gay characters, if it's made by a big company it should try to get as much of an audience as possible.

[@Finn_01]

Supernatural: We don’t explicitly confirm Destiel Latin American Dub: *…and I took that personally.*

[@ava_marie_v]

The Spanish dub is truly the hero we needed.

[@Finn_01]

@@ava_marie_v “Your minions may do me no harm, America. For I cut through them with the blade of dub! Begone!”

[@Wired_User]

All hail the Spanish translators that changed this ending! Viva la Español!

[@ava_marie_v]

@@Wired_User I don't know why, but "Viva la Espanol" is hilarious to me😂

[@ButIamAStick]

SPN: We can not make it explicit LSpanish: Estas retandome?

[@lizg235]

"You went to superhell for a straight man who died of tetanus. I'm dining at the Ritz with my demon sugar daddy. We are not the same" I'M CRYING

[@briarnotblair]

AHHHHHH

[@susufray3601]

Who said that?

[@PirateWanderer]

Good Omens is fandom gold, I love all my ineffables

[@Nadia1989]

The Ineffables/SPN crossovers posts on Tumblr are THE BEST

[@kasstlekrasher5468]

IM SCREAMING

[@Eve.v]

absolutely obssessed with the last post shown as sarah scrolls frantically down her november 5th dashboard: " > i think supernatural should end with d*stiel becoming canon but then immediately pulling a bury your gays. sorry i know homophobia isn't funny but at the same time that would literally be so hilarious > REMEMBER WHEN I CALLED THIS BACK IN JULY "

[@zoeb3573]

Imagine being that person and living through all this. Incredible.

[@Nadia1989]

Damn it, Apollo!

[@GhostWriter520]

Okay, you've done Sherlock. You've done Supernatural. There's only one left. You've gotta get into some juicy Doctor Who Tumblr drama

[@unicornsprinkles8964]

Idk if docter who had any drama other than people complaining about martha

[@exoplaneeet9499]

tbh i would be interested in a history of the dr who extended universe during the wilderness years, but thats a bit earlier than the stuff sarah likes to cover. i just dont think the tumblr-era dr who fandom had nearly as much drama as the other two to warrant one of these videos

[@dorkiecookie]

@@unicornsprinkles8964 Yeah Doctor Who fans were just *loudly* passionate but all my years on tumblr I’ve never seen them be annoying. The cast changes too so like I feel like people didn’t necessarily get stuck with the same characters all the time, but of course Matt Smith and David Tennant’s Doctor Whos were the most popular.

[@kamilee4123]

Honestly up until fairly recently (with the casting of Jodie Whittaker as the first female Doctor) there’s not really been any widespread fandom drama in the Doctor Who fandom. Maybe some character debates or very minor shipping spats but nothing on the level of its sister fandoms, Sherlock and Supernatural. And even the stuff with Jodie isn’t as bad as all this for the most part I think, it’s mostly people debating about the writing with some really hardcore fans of her calling anyone who critiques it sexist and some genuinely misogynistic fans putting it down just because the Doctor is female now and not because the writing’s bad. So yeah, some normalish fandom drama stuff, but there wasn’t much back in the day and certainly not a crazy fandom wide conspiracy like this or TJLC.

[@yuza1032]

I just realized the latest season of Doctor Who was the equivalent to Sherlock and Supernatural's endings. Although thankfully the loose nature of the show's premise makes it theoretically possible to ignore it like so many other things that have been ignored. But wow it leaves such a horrible taste in my mouth how someone could retcon so much and interfere with the fundamental canon of the show and yet change absolutely nothing at the same time.

[@freedom_mayor]

"I'm bisexual and...." the whole crowd groans and boos and the actor you love says "What a dumb question, im going to pretend like you didn't say that. i wish i hadn't even come to this convention." jesus christ that's so harsh i would cry if that happened to me and i'm a 30 year old man

[@HouseOfWanda]

I think they started booeing specifically after she says she noticed subtext, not after she said she’s bisexual. The crowd are assholes either way tho

[@bismuthcrystal9658]

I get the 'man' part; such harmful pressures certainly exist, sadly. But... why do height and hirsutism matter?

[@freedom_mayor]

​@@bismuthcrystal9658 lol yr right, it doesn't really matter, i was was just trying to exaggerate to be funny.

[@80yearsold23]

God yeah. That would break my heart. I mean that would fuck me up for years. I hope all the big fans that got screwed over by the cast + team are doing ok

[@Shinkicker07]

@@80yearsold23 we're trying. We made a charity page within the Trevor Project, called The Castiel Project where we raised over 50.000$ for it. I suggest everyone go check it out and especially the comments because to me *that* is the essence of the Destiel fandom. I'm a bit taked aback that it was presented here only as a laughable conspiracy when they issues with spn run too deep and Destiel was honestly the tip of the iceberg.

[@static2735]

Dean being killed by a nail has the exact same energy as Loki attacking Thanos with a butter knife and then immediately getting choked to death.

[@vanilloia7479]

"we don't know what to do with this character now that they've had developement, we HAVE to kill them!"

[@astraregulus2672]

I'm still in denial about Loki's death, not gonna lie

[@Xehanort10]

Sounds like the Supernatural writers took the "For Want of a Nail" trope literally.

[@jodipearson567]

Fans always acted like Loki had a good story within the marvel universe, but he wasnt used much and had such a stupid death. I wanted to see more of him

[@glitchedcrit3848]

My reaction was "Loki is smarter than that, there must be another plan" and it sucks because there wasn't

[@PugsleyThePear]

I love how the Destiel page on the shipping wiki is tagged as: Semi-canon Canon (Latin American dub)

[@crystalsmith2775]

Dean: “I was silent” The fandom: “were you silent? or were you SILENCED?”

[@deadpooldan9862]

No, he was silent. It’s perfectly in line for him to not tell Cas he loves him, and it would have been completely unbelievable if he did, not because of homophobia, but because Dean isn’t someone who says “I love you” in a romantic way. We literally never heard him say that to Lisa, who was the closest Dean’s even come to loving someone romantically. Dean isn’t into guys, he’s literally said that multiple times

[@anabsolutebuffoon]

@@deadpooldan9862it’s a quote

[@GraceNoel-vy8ck]

It wasn’t a matter of IF she’d make the video, it was a matter of WHEN

[@EroticInferno]

I saw it on timeline and I said, “there it is”

[@erikdaniels0n]

And how long lmao. I knew it would be as long if not longer than her TJLC video and.. hoo boy, it certainly is

[@lexgrey8103]

I heard that it ended and litterally didn't bother looking into it because I knew this was coming 😂

[@valsantos8984]

@@EroticInferno ,

[@ShitLiterature]

Your dark window without blinds freaks me out. I keep expecting a face to appear

[@cassieb6749]

"Destiel is canon but only in Spanish" I died laughing

[@marthamaywhovier5962]

And MAYBE in Italian...

[@sleepymushroom844]

This is wild to me, tho, because homophobia and machismo are more prevalent in modern Latin American cultures than in mainstream US culture, so for these Spanish-speaking countries to have Dean reciprocate Castiel's feelings instead of the original US version, bravo 👏

[@aprilf00ls]

aaaa i didnt get the joke and im mexican help

[@abelardoplatas1549]

@@aprilf00ls I can confirm here in Mexico we make American homophobes look like the YMCA.

[@marthamaywhovier5962]

@@aprilf00ls what joke dude

[@driphearts8035]

I watched the whole video and never knew what this show was. I asked my mom if she's ever heard of Supernatural after watching this. My 48 year old mother responding by saying "Yes, I watched a lot of it! My favorite characters are Castiel and Dean." Was the most surreal experience I've ever had

[@VioletEmerald]

My mom was always a big fan throughout her 40s and 50s.

[@endowl]

Based emiya profile picture man

[@Blueeyesthewarrior]

I think the worst thing that this show implies, is that despite death being nothing more than an inconvenience and an excuse for an adventure most of the time, Dean doesn’t even attempt to retrieve Cas. Because he either thinks that it isn’t worth the effort to get back his friend or, worse, that he believes his friend should stay in turbo hell for his gay feelings.

[@hadassahbenson4020]

There was so many wrong things with the finale! I personally separate Supernatural into two parts. The original show runs from season one up until the finale of season five. The second era which I called the fanfiction era runs from season six all the way to season 15! I literally hated how they killed Dean off and we’re just supposed to believe that Sam doesn’t do a thing to bring him back? What a joke! And it’s not even believable or funny.

[@joseliacarlos]

to be honest,, that was the fault of the writers because even Jensen didn't like the ending

[@erinys2]

like oh my god what the hell

[@deadpooldan9862]

@@hadassahbenson4020 Sam not trying to bring Dean back is completely believable when you actually pay attention to the show. The finale was actually good, and idk why people hate it so much

[@stonersiren]

not turbo hell lmaoooo

[@mirandatilley2486]

My favorite joke about the finale is "When we said we wanted Dean to get nailed, this is not what we meant"

[@petermartinez4399]

I laughed way harder at this than I should have. Good work.👍

[@PaleNoFace]

I snorted so hard I hurt my throat

[@svinjamaria]

“All of these female characters having romantic interests in sam or dean, all get positive and calm reviews from the tumblr fanbase” Something’s wrong, I can feel it

[@owlgirl1998]

she said that and i legit laughed out loud

[@tatiana2696]

Honestly though I'm still cackling

[@cassieearle9196]

flashbacks to nasty wincesties getting angry with jo for no reason.

[@viddergrapho8488]

@@cassieearle9196 This is why I never called myself part of the fandom. Jo was a goddamn sweetheart and her death was fucking heartbreaking.

[@Sara-dp5dg]

@@cassieearle9196 remember when the wincest shippers sent death threats to misha collins and all the hate post about Castiel because he got in between their....ship 🤢🤮

[@natsinnett9751]

My mother (40) has started watching Supernatural in the year of our lord, 2023. Please pray for us in this time.

[@Leacholotemj]

How is it going?

[@spectre.c]

same and i wasn’t even in the fandom i just heard abt all the drama but it still GOT me when she told me. now she’s trying to get me to watch it too 😭😭

[@caram740]

even as someone who's never watched supernatural, nov 5th was such a good fucking day for my tumblr dash. the supernatural posts, the superhell jokes, the homophobia wins! jokes, the election and georgia flipping, pretty sure there was also a rumor about putin resigning that was going around at the same time? and people would be talking about all this sometimes in the one same post. the whiplash was fucking comical alsjkf

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

that was the day of the putin rumour!! i cant say if putin or destiel came first but they were so close together that people were both screaming about destiel and russian politics

[@steampunk-llama]

I think the sheer insanity of it all was exacerbated by the fact the pandemic is going on too so you had the absolute knockout combo of quarantine brainrot on top of everything that happened. Truely unhinged energy that I'm so glad I was able to witness live

[@ngaire1004]

Wasn't it also around the whole suez canal thing? We were all so bored we were just trawling the news for absolutely anything, then going fully feral.

[@annajagnow2116]

@@ngaire1004 Nah, the Suez Canal thing happend in early 2021, so a few months afterwards. But I agree, we were all bored and it was pretty funny

[@alicethemad1613]

Same energy as the tumblr sexyman poll on Twitter having its results decided the same day the queen died

[@biomistflorist658]

"i swear i am not a tumblr history channel" this is like the fifth one, Sarah. Just *accept your fate!*

[@kingoftropes922]

There goes Sarah again, Tumblr Historian-baiting us

[@samwich3972]

i mean she didnt doubledeepdive and made videos about that graveyardlady, the toenecklacestuff or idk... the zubat scam. yet...

[@Udontkno7]

@@samwich3972 what about the child slave

[@sweetumami1338]

@@samwich3972 what about the several kickstarter scams like all or nothing or butch pal for the straight gal

[@samwich3972]

@@Udontkno7 the list goes on and on

[@daisyelizabeth5462]

re: the college essay i don’t understand why people got mad at her bringing fandom content to a convention, what is a convention if not a fandom space? are we not allowed to cosplay anymore because actors could be at the convention and we cant bring fandom near them? it just makes me brain go ??? huh?? i dunno man, that just confused me

[@Nadia1989]

I remember there was an university (the UBA, I believe) that had their own congress dedicated solely to fandom and fandom culture.

[@edendenton7274]

Hearing that poor 18 yo trying to ask that question broke my heart. It takes guts to try to talk to celebrities, let alone at a big convention like that. To be instantly met with boos and groaning, then with him instantly saying he regretting being there- joke or not- must have really fucking hurt

[@youraveragemusicperson2176]

I can't believe Cas went to superhell so that Yuri on Ice could come back-

[@semmerson30]

LMAOOOO

[@greeneyesgirl467]

Yeeesss lol

[@queer-ios3155]

WAIT SHUT UP WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH YURI ON ICE HOW WAS I UNAWARE

[@dontmintme]

November was wild on Tumblr this year

[@youraveragemusicperson2176]

@@queer-ios3155 the yuri on ice creators released the trailer for the YOI movie, Ice Adolescence which will be a movie on Victor, i think. You can look up the trailer on youtube

[@jennmorton3155]

Poor Cas ended up with a car as his romantic rival, and the car won. Dimpala is now cannon.

[@gateauxq4604]

*DEAN IS NOW A DRAGON*

[@shockingheaven]

LMAO

[@persgodiva]

It always was 😂😂😂

[@sockpuppetmogwai856]

I mean the Car was still on Earth, it was Heaven so of course a version of Baby would be there, just like Dean's clothing would be there. It was things he knew and felt comfortable in. And they where conceived in Baby so kind of part of the family. And Jack and Cass are running around up there somewhere. Good hook for a spin off or a return later.

[@Weirdanimalboy]

There’s definitely some niche NSFW fanart out there of that

[@brainrotdotorg1611]

EXTREMELY wholesome that you were so agog and aghast at these other fans writing Misha inappropriate letters that you, in response, gifted him an entire notebook of respectful fan letters

[@andrecarpenter2432]

Misha coming out as straight this year is a cherry to this pie

[@martaszabo465]

"Destiel exists because of unionization" *Internationale starts playing*

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

Glorious, glorious unionization!

[@Max-nk9xg]

Does that mean the more workers unionize, the more Destiel we will get?

[@dark_attribute]

communism = more destiel the proletariat needs to WAKE UP

[@AbstractTraitorHero]

@@dark_attribute Now your talking my unironic language comrade.

[@merrittanimation7721]

Wait, a union is another term for a marriage, which can be gay. It all makes sense!

[@jlkjlkjkljklj9162]

Jensen to Kripke: "I don't know I just feel like the ending is a bit... bad" Kripke: "Jensen, you're too attached... try not giving a shit"

[@TheRainstorm97]

Implying that the viewers are less attached than Jensen is to Dean! Like, what!

[@TheBc99]

This part gave me Game of Thrones PTSD

[@noahlloyd3012]

The real question is how they thought the ending made sense from an audience perspective. Like... :0

[@oMuStiiA]

Also seeing how often fans love trying to piece together puzzles even when they have to make one up, it makes me think of how spoiled the Gravity Falls fandom was with a creator who actively made complex puzzles, ciphers, scavenger hunts, etc, just for the fans to enjoy which hint at future plot points that would actually mean something and have a satisfying conclusion.

[@PopfulFrost]

God, yes. It's so rare for mysteries in any given media to actually lead somewhere satisfying.

[@jamrock_shuffle]

It's actually ruined other shows for me bc I expect that level of care and am disappointed frequently

[@arsonvamp]

i too am spoiled by being in the deltarune/undertale fandom and forget that most creators of media are not, in fact, tobert “radiation” fox. both in being given a bunch of really cool mysteries and puzzles to solve and in also feeling like the creator respects their audience and wants them to have a good time with their story and the world(s) they’ve created. as well as toby just being absolutely unhinged and giving us lovingly crafted shitposts like the spamton sweepstakes lmao. i wish more writers would actually have fun not just making a thing, but making their audience want to actively engage with the thing and have fun and rewarding fandom experiences.

[@sweesbees]

misha came out as bi but then went back on it, supernatural literally cannot stop queerbaiting even after its death

[@thischannelisajoke6810]

Supernatural invented queerbaiting

[@SuzER08]

To be fair he didnt mean to call himself bi, he misspoke and then the Fandom ran with it and literally didn't believe him when he corrected himself

[@Mel-ej4fc]

@@SuzER08 he should know better tho he knows how crazy the fans get

[@SmokeyEdits]

@@Mel-ej4fc know better than to make a mistake??? bruh cringe get over yourself

[@goldenencore]

@@Mel-ej4fc he misspoke, he doesn't want the fans to think he was bi. It was an accident.

[@FortuitousOwl]

IM SORRY YOURE TELLING ME DEAN DIES ON A NAIL. CASS ISNT EVEN IN THE LAST EPISODE??? SAM’S OLDFACE?? WE DONT EVEN SEE HIS WIFE? I’m so so sorry to all the supernatural fans who kept watching. Good lord.

[@saratfkh8227]

Me and like 20 other people I know fckn LOVED the finale

[@FortuitousOwl]

@@saratfkh8227 ok

[@meowpower08]

sara tfkh ok.

[@aprilwanda]

Glad I stopped watching by S8😂

[@BlackCatBritt]

correction: rebar, not a nail. And not as dumb as you think, considering he technically should've first died due to an electrified puddle in season 1

[@walkingexistentaldread3079]

i can’t believe no one’s talking about the fact Sarah found the connection between Destiel and “I’m a weirdo. I don’t fit in. Have you ever seen me without this hat? That’s weird.” I love pop culture.

[@vikas_room]

god that's so... _weird_

[@blaireprince3709]

the way that castiel is indirectly the reason why that scene exists......everything really is connected huh

[@anazuleta3079]

It was mentioned in the r/hobbydrama post she mentioned in the beginning

[@flowerbookmark]

she wasn't the one to find it... other people pointed out in tumblr

[@nagisa0931]

“Have you ever seen Cass without that stupid 🧥 trench coat”? Edit: lol not stupid maybe that trenchcoat makes cass so cass like and handsome

[@alicesophie123]

“Don’t bring fandom stuff into non fandom spaces” but like aren’t cons and meeting actors a type of fandom space? Sure don’t send explicit fanfic to the actors but asking questions about the characters?? How is that no okay?! Furthermore the people who were like “You’re wrong to ask actors questions about the characters sexuality if it makes them uncomfortable!” Like surely you just proved that they’re homophobic just there! It’s not asking the actors about their sexuality, it’s asking the actors about the characters and if the idea that the character they are playing is anything but straight makes them uncomfortable....

[@allyli1718]

I always think that what they really mean is “don’t bring transformative fandom into curative fandom spaces.”

[@Starburst514]

I think they mean "things the actors probably have no idea of CAUSE they're not in the deep fandoms spaces and wouldn't get the meta significance" like fanart, cosplays, etc. Is fine but some stuff fandom does and has in its particular culture to th4e show that the actors just wouldn' "get" cause they don't spend that much time in fan social medias I would put shipping there CAUSE even though it's the characters not the actors, for the actual actors THEY'RE probably so use to just thinking of thier costars as though characters, so when they see "character with character" all their brain reads it as "me with bob" and that can be uncomfortable, so like

[@katatat2030]

Agreed. It's not inappropriate to ask actors at a meet and greet about their characters sexualities, the topic of characters' sexuality is not inherently inappropriate for public discussion, and I think that attitude is rooted in homophobia and general anti-sex attitudes

[@troodon1096]

@@katatat2030 This would be something more appropriate to ask the writers, not the actors.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

THIS. You could probably ask Jensen something like “Did Dean get off on torturing people in hell” and he’d answer, but “is this character bi like me” is off limits? Fuckin homophobia biphobia nonsense. I don’t care if they get tired of answering the same questions over and over, maybe they should’ve thought of that before acting out all those queer baiting scenes then if they didn’t want fans speculating about it.

[@subha2573]

funniest part is that even the hetero ship didnt become canon. RIP Eileen, we love you girl

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

I'm still bitter to this day that Eileen was never confirmed to be Sam's wife in the end. Like if they weren't gonna give us Destiel at least give us Samellien.

[@kpfields7130]

Castiel: Dean, I'm gay for you Dean: Meh Castiel: I'm so happy

[@satunbreeze]

Thats exactly what I was thinking 😭

[@Hunter-sx9uj]

"I want to take you at your most happiest." ... "Dean, no!"

[@sakshivaidya1368]

That kinda makes me think that the theory could be true. I mean just confessing your love doesn't make anyone happy right? The person they love reciprocating those feelings does.

[@satunbreeze]

@@sakshivaidya1368 He wouldve had to have known Dean reciprocated though, right? And Deans reaction was like, nothing

[@sakshivaidya1368]

@@satunbreeze Exactly which is why the theory that changes(to make Dean's reaction nothing) were made last minute makes sense.

[@bean8672]

My only issue is if the fans asked about a heterosexual ship that was not explicit in the show nobody would call it an evasion of privacy.

[@bean8672]

Also wait supernatural still going on? Lol

[@AvgJane19]

Exactly how

[@RomeoandJuliet55]

Yes, this bugs me so much. When people say 'dont bring fanon up in front of the actors' what they mean is 'dont mention the gay stuff'. Like, if someone had asked Jensen about the Impala or Jared about Sam's childhood, there would have not have been this reaction. But when someone says the word bisexual, now its invasive and inappropriate. Just say you hate gays and move on.

[@KerlyFries]

@@RomeoandJuliet55 I definitely think there’s a valid version of “don’t bring fandom stuff to actors” in the sense of like...hey don’t try to have actors sign your favorite porny fan art or fic (yes, it happens), but yeah “don’t bring fanon up” tends to just mean “ew gay”.

[@bean8672]

@@RomeoandJuliet55 and it definitely reflects early 2000s mood of equating homosexuality to pornography. Like ok asking "who is the seme/uke I would be like yeah that's inappropriate but just "Hey can we discuss your character knowing about purgatory and other subtext THE SHOW PUTS IN" I think is valid. Also your show appeals to teenagers ofcourse they just wanna talk about romance.

[@Maravillante]

I love how all the possibilities are valid: - There is no conspiracy - Some people are involved in a conspiracy - The whole damn industry is the conspiracy

[@timothymclean]

- The whole industry is a conspiracy, but the Destiel stuff is only tangentially involved

[@Tb40556]

That Jensen ackles clip with the fan still makes my blood boil. The crowd’s bi/homophobia and Jensens outrage at a fan for seeing herself in his character. There’s just such an obvious air of “don’t bring your lifestyle in here” that is just disgusting. I can’t imagine how she felt in that moment. I bet it was earth shattering. No one deserves to feel that way.

[@an-qo6by]

love jensen but am disappointed and feel very sad after seeing his reaction.

[@beccak8166]

@@Xehanort10 um not the situation at all. The lack of representation wast the problem In this instance, it was the booing and the disrespect

[@rattyeely]

@@Xehanort10 yeah I'm sure other disabled people appreciate you being all Pick Me about this 🙄

[@thainganpham9705]

@@Xehanort10 well I would imagine a good and well written cast of characters would be a diverse cast of character. Afterall “the people who harp on about wanting representation” are real people and would want something they love and consider well written to emulate the diversity found in real life as well as wanting to see characters like them. When you say “they just want self inserts” you’re not entirely wrong, but there really isn’t anything wrong with wanting to see something resembling you in the media you love when you see everyone else getting that. And yeah they do want well done characters who are like them as you said, but that’s all the more reason to want representation. If the show writers can write these amazing and complex cis white able bodied male characters they can very well write more diverse ones too, the only thing that’s stopping them is either their own bias or the constraints of censorship and “sensibilities”. But if there are vocal demand for representation and vocal demand for change those factors get removed. That’s always how protests and activism works, this time just in context of wanting a more diverse media.

[@LifeAsMegan]

I totally would crawl under a rock if that happened to me. But I do think that the crowd thought it was going to be a question about sex and sexualizing Jensen, afterall Misha always got dirty questions asked to him on stage, so they reacted harshly without knowing the context. So that fueled Jensen to think that the question was going to be dirty and sexualizing him and that is why he had that reaction.

[@eabhaishere4558]

The REAL reason Jensen called Cas “the third Winchester brother” is that when Destiel gets married in the super secret 16th season Cas will take Dean’s surname and becomes Sam’s brother-in-law I promise

[@muffin_the_metalhead3488]

my uncle works for CW, can confirm

[@graceburgan4928]

you’re absolutely right

[@annadidathingy2832]

My totally real girlfriend, who lives in Canada, also says it's true.

[@lilithcrow6675]

My platypus can confirm this

[@Sparksisacodename]

Say sike right now

[@SovietWomble]

What if we're all gay but only in Spanish? In fact, those already out are merely in touch with their Latin roots.

[@Nadia1989]

[ is gay in Spanish ]

[@InTrancedState]

Wombleeeeeee

[@MemeSupreme69]

Galaxy brain thought

[@KCMMFB]

Womble watches supernatural? Checks out.

[@wyatttibbitts8603]

Now THAT would be some bullshittery

[@Zeliwashere]

Sorry to all, but as a Spanish-Argentinian woman I feel the need to clarify something: I spent literally half and half of my life in each country, and I speak perfectly with both argentinian and spanish accent. In latin america, it is very common to say "Te amo" even as a friendship language. I say to my friends all the time that "los amo", and it does not imply any romantic relationship. BUT it also can imply one. On the other hand, in the Spanish translation of the series, Castiel says "Te quiero", and Dean replies "Yo también te quiero". In Spain it is way less common to say "te amo" to someone unless you are in a romantic relationship. But also, saying "te amo" is not so common in romantic relationships all at once, since it sounds like a very strong word there, so I know many many romantic partners that usually say "te quiero" instead of "te amo" to their partners. This just means that, forgetting about all the relationships that they already had on the series, the translation can really imply anything, but in BOTH Spanish translations, Dean replies with the same words that Castiel uses. Both translations could have made sense if they were just friends and they were saying those things to one another, but in any case, if we consider this as a romantic declaration, Dean explicitly corresponded to Castiel's feelings. So cheers for both translations.

[@Zeliwashere]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnivoZWZar2KfKM On that video, at time 48:29, you can see the Spanish version of it.

[@saulgallagher5668]

So still kinda queerbaiting then? Oof

[@baykkus]

Eh, I'm from Colombia and I wouldn't say it's super common to say "te amo" like that to friends, specially friendships between men. "Los amo" is not really the same cause you're saying it to more than one person and most people wouldn't assume you mean it in a poly way, "te amo" to one person doesn't necessarily mean it's romantic but it definitely implies it more than an "I love you" in English.

[@VioletEmerald]

@@baykkus I feel like I'm my corner of English "I love you" is extremely strong and meaningful so it's weird Te amo would imply more. I haven't said I love you much in my life. My family members don't actually say it to each other even though we do love each other. That kind of thing.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

As a Mexican, no, "Te amo" is rarely used by two men in a platonic sense (unless they're both drunk out of their minds)

[@fable23]

Update; Fans might have been mad about the death of Dean Winchester, but apparently nobody was madder about it than Dean Winchester himself, Jensen Ackles, who executive produced an entire sequel series set in the Supernatural universe, initially disguised as a prequel about the Winchester parents, only to pull a switcheroo at the end of the first season and have none other than Dean himself pop in via time travel shenanigans, revived and ready to take on the evilest monsters ever alongside his mom and dad. Sadly, the show was canceled after one season, so in the grand tradition of fanfiction, Jensen Ackles's Wild Ass Dean-centric Time Travel AU Fix-it Fic shall forever remain unfinished. "Carry On, Wayward Son," indeed.

[@dominicburke8908]

As a gay man queerbaiting is so incredibly exhausting , I’m so tired of my actual real life identity being treated like it’s only applicable to teenage fangirls as tho we don’t want representation for our own sake ,,,,, Super hell was still pretty funny tho

[@Romandy13]

As someone who fits into the teenage fangirl stereotype, I'm tired of being baited too. Yes, I like seeing gay romance in media, but there comes a time when I realize that my emotions are being played and that the fanservice is just there to get a reaction from me. It makes me feel stupid because I actually want to see a romance that is real and wholesome and all the good things love stories should have.

[@arandomcomment1092]

@@Romandy13 And plus there's a surprising amount of teenage fangirls who like slash ships because they're gay too. Not even interested in men, just want to see representation in some shape and form.

[@Tdoctortree]

Wait you’re gay? Does that mean you are saying this from super hell? *sorry if my joke seems offensive*

[@dominicburke8908]

@@Tdoctortree Super Hell is actually a gay club #confirmed

[@mateokunzer]

@@dominicburke8908 "no the club in sanfancisco"

[@SolarEidolon]

The “Dean is holding back. -Holding back a slur.” post absolutely slayed me.

[@Alex-jg2bc]

Lol I love that one

[@proserpinabringerofdeath5935]

I saw all these on my dash 😭😭😭

[@slevinchannel7589]

I dont see any reason why Castiel should be considered gay or anything. I did not get this from his last speech. That speech was good, the season's end was mostly bad, that's just how it is, i cant accept that, as it was not entirely ruined.

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@slevinchannel7589 Straights will say this but they’ll see a male and female character next to each other and assume they’re destined to marry.

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@slevinchannel7589 Like, if that speech was said to a female character it would without any question be considered romantic.

[@PM-rp4bl]

I went years and years, having never watched the show, thinking that Sam and Dean were played by the opposite actors, _until this video_

[@catherinetheegreat8742]

It's probably because sams actor played a character named Dean on Gilmore girls

[@salem-01]

@@catherinetheegreat8742I KNEW I RECONGISED ONE OF THOSE GUYS

[@ziggysflowers]

i love how misha crossed out the "no" that jensen wrote on the bisexual paper and wrote yes

[@manark1234]

They missed a golden opportunity to have Dean reject him and he doesn't go to turbo hell, then later he confesses to Sam that he actually loves Castiel back but he can't admit it because if he does Castiel will die. Like this isn't even hard to write.

[@threesugarssevensugars2113]

Wait that’s such a good idea

[@whitneywilson7182]

This is infinitely better than anything these writers have come up with in the last three years.

[@lausenteternidad]

I just love when youtube commemts come with awesome ideas like its no big deal.

[@Soymaid]

What if after Dean died Jack appeared to him and was like "hey great job dying in battle like you always said you wanted, want to come be an angel?" And Dean was like "actually I have a counteroffer: I go back and live a long life, and Cas comes with me." :3

[@hkc8544]

That would mean the writers wanted to write explicitly canon (as in mutual) Destiel in the first place, which we all know is not true. They just wanted one final epic queerbait and sadly a lot of people fell for it.

[@alexander_avila]

there is a void in my soul that supernatural has been slowly carving out for the past 2 weeks

[@thunderpants153]

he is here, he has arrived

[@killanelle]

oh shit he's here

[@ayeletdrago]

mr aretheygay deliver me 😭

[@youraveragemusicperson2176]

I definitely felt the void in your soul when you were talking about supernatural in your livestream lmao

[@zorosboobies5346]

my stomach is full of rats

[@MagicalGirlFia]

I made a comment about Misha Collins coming out as bi and how that might’ve been a reason why he was so supportive of the ship or smth It aged poorly Very poorly

[@James.Stark.Ben.Edition]

well....

[@MagicalGirlFia]

@@James.Stark.Ben.Edition yeah.

[@quaelgeist3337]

Queerbait years later

[@TPNsBiggestFan]

how?? now im concerned lol

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

​@@TPNsBiggestFan He wasn't Bi lol

[@GamingintheAM0801]

"Supernatural fans finally had a character to ship the brothers with other than each other, which they desperately needed." Except for... you know, the three women love interests that they bullied off the show.

[@patrickracer43]

Character in a CW show: "I'm gay" The writing staff: "your free trial of life has ended"

[@hiesisme907]

Arrow verse tho

[@agentstache135]

Watch Crazy Ex-Girlfriend and thank me later

[@NeelLLumi-AnCatDubh]

@@agentstache135 I was about to say that! What a coinkydink, SO WEIRD RIGHT?!

[@Xehanort10]

Nah. In a CW show gay characters, instead of being people who happen to be gay are instead people whose sexuality is their entire personality and character. See Arrow's Curtis Holt who would remind people he was gay every 2 seconds even though everyone knew. And make balls jokes about his T-sphere gadgets.

[@hiesisme907]

@@Xehanort10 sara lance

[@andreas_iced8297]

Writers: *writes in gay subtext* Audience: *points to gay subtext* "this is gay subtext" Writers: "nah, lmao" *shoves audience onto a rusty nail*

[@bartholen]

I'm a straight dude who watched the first 7 seasons before getting bored, and I never saw any of it as gay subtext. I saw it more as a parody that the supposed ultra gruff badass action series protagonist is actually a big softie. For example, I saw him getting flustered over Dr. Sexy as Dean being a big fangirl. Though from what Sarah describes, the gay signaling seems to get more overt in later seasons.

[@kianaafsharr]

@@bartholen no lmao it was definitely there the entire time though maybe you were too straight to catch on or something

[@shellsilvers]

@@bartholen even as early as season 1 there was subtext about Dean being insecure about his sexuality (the body painting scene in Hook Man).

[@KetsubanSolo]

@@kianaafsharr This just reeks of Naruto's NINJAS READ THE SECRET MEANINGS WITHIN THE SECRET MEANINGS stuff that even the series itself made fun of

[@mavrickindigo]

@@kianaafsharr I am pansexual and I didn't catch destiel until I heard about it online

[@emily-tk6xn]

i was HEAVILY involved in the fandom when the last season aired and i turned off my tv after the last ep and basically deleted all of my spn related accounts

[@user-qd8yy9lc4g]

you are free the task is done

[@quasalor1480]

Me.

[@isa0ber]

holy shit "but enough about buffy the vampire slayer" was savage

[@Weirdanimalboy]

Moral of the Story: Show runners will give female characters brutal deaths before showing a gay relationship on screen

[@razmiddle9410]

It's female fans cheering for the deaths of the female characters. I'm glad Sarah Z went into this on the "Gay Fanfiction" video - there's an element of self-hatred and internalized misogyny among a lot of slash fans.

[@goroakechi6126]

Not to mention not white people.

[@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561]

Fuck this shit, censorious youtube prefers kink shamers opinion over egaltarianism. You are setting a great example Susan!

[@vi_cesario]

@@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561 hey you doing alright buddy? everything okay at home?

[@hatemongerofthetoxicbrood6561]

@@vi_cesario When youtube deletes two accounts that belong to you. For being rude!!! While you have not cursed, unless qouting, on this platform. Your accounts have been deleted TWO times for wrongthink. And now 9/10 of your comments get deleted by youtube. Yeah you tend to get a bit angry.

[@egg9206]

“bible riverdale” is an extremely powerful concept and i think it gave me tetanus EDIT: I WROTE THIS BEFORE I GOT TO THE TETANUS PART IM ASKCNDKDN

[@vainpiers]

I thought that was Sabrina?

[@comicsans2212]

you’re absolutely right and I hate it

[@djalmadevil]

@@vainpiers me too lol, she is literally satanic Jesus and she went on a bible themed scavenger hunt (that even passed through Riverdale). It's really how even not insane Cristians would probably be uncomfortable with the most mainstream teen show with biblical themes. It's even more amusing that I watched that whole show just because Katya might be in the next season lol I'm oversharing

[@MynahGtz]

I truly need to pause the video for a moment to sit on it and the implications and wooo boi

[@vainpiers]

@@djalmadevil I love Sabrina despite being a Christian, I was told I was unchristian for watching it lol (I think God has bigger things to worry about than me watching Sabrina). Im disappointed that the tone has shifted in later seasons, and that they've definitely amped up the riverdale vibes. I hope the last season will be closer to the first in tone.

[@Heirbanaan]

Besides all the SPN stuff I learned from this video, I just now realized the "in Japanese we don't say *I love you* but we say *the moon is beautiful* and I think that's beautiful" thing which was the origin of a whole bunch of memes isn't just a shitpost but an actual thing that happened in a Japanese class???

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

OH MY GOD

[@IncredibleMD]

A Japanese class with one of, if not the most, well respected author in modern Japanese literary history.

[@RedVanBuskirk]

The best part about that riverdale scene is that if you watch the episode, the context is that Jughead doesn't like having a big party for his birthday, especially surprise parties. Which is extremely normal.

[@EroticInferno]

The entire crowd boos when she says she’s bi-sexual. How can that not be extremely painful. I would cry. I’m amazed she her voice didn’t shake as she finished her question

[@GeekyLissa]

It was so unbelievably cruel, I always fast forward through the video. I can't stomach it after the first time seeing it through, she was just a young hopeful bisexual who wanted rep.

[@Iamjustherek]

My heart actually clenched watching that clip, I don’t even know what’d I do if I were in her shoes

[@currwhibble3565]

i felt so uncomfortable watching that...

[@emiliobustamante2401]

It makes me cringe so hard, I feel physicaly ill from second hand embarrastment for that poor poor girl

[@nxgan1088]

Does anybody know what happened to her? Is she ok?

[@catc2938]

I feel bad for the girl who asked the question about bisexuality. I hope she’s okay now.

[@mentallyunstable1926]

she was just like booed for asking a question. if i were her i'd walk away the moment i got booed and just go and cry somewhere.

[@josephinestucker7535]

The fact that a 15 y/o literally outed herself in a space and was received like that is horrific. I know the booing had to do a lot with the question but the whole situation reeks of homophobia. The actors should have handled it better and not treated a vulnerable teenager asking a genuine question with such hostility and dismissal.

[@martinasophiaisaksen3034]

@@josephinestucker7535 exactly. just watching that clip triggered my fight or flight. its a really vulnerable situation and they should've dealt with it better.

[@Nadia1989]

I would've had a breakdown and run crying back into the closet. Poor girl.

[@kydenlutz5933]

i do wish the actors handled the situation a bit better, but a lot of people also don't know the whole story. the girl eventually made a post from her perspective of the situation. cassammydean.tumblr.com/post/85797668931/direct-from-the-mystery-girl

[@MayuraVyamsaka]

7:37 The fanbase reacted calmly much in the same way Dumbledore asked Harry calmly in the films.

[@tasnimezzddin6222]

I love you for this comment 😂

[@rosefoxwell-morgan4316]

This is why I like hannibal. The fans told there was gay subtext, so the creators just embraced it, unlike supernatural and sherlock

[@sadsadtearsofaclown859]

I love that, that should happen more often. Heard the show was really good might start watching it.

[@sleepingdogpro]

Worked in the context of that show, though - if it'd been a straightforward Silence of the Lambs type adaptation, then doing a campy gay "Hannibal really loves Will" subplot on top would've been ridiculous. As it stands though the show was already campy AF so adding that in worked fine.

[@lisasowa1195]

@@sleepingdogpro Doesn’t Hannibal end up with clarice in the book tho?

[@OMGitsShrimp]

@@sleepingdogpro Hannibal (the show), campy?? I did not get campy vibes from Hannibal at all. Supernatural is hella campy tho, did you mean them?

[@Nirrini]

@@sleepingdogproHow was NBC’s Hannibal in any way “campy”? Please elaborate.

[@shesnotcrazy5866]

Supernatural fandom 🤜🤛Sherlock fandom Being queerbated so hard they can't properly cope and are in denial

[@rrrrogahtaylah2636]

which is why doctor who wins 🤗 (we have captain jack and countless others honhonhon)

[@Nadia1989]

Yuuri on Ice: everybody is assumed gay, except JJ, who's just annoying

[@frostyskeletons8950]

@@rrrrogahtaylah2636 bummer that Moffat is homophobic though, and tried to de-gay Doctor Who. I haven’t watched since Smith though, so maybe Jack was brought back ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@rrrrogahtaylah2636]

@@frostyskeletons8950 yeah heard that, captain jack is the best and I wish he'd become a companion

[@samt3412]

@@rrrrogahtaylah2636 yeah, especially when the least interesting of the 3 companions is now the only one left

[@disasterdrvid]

Finding out the “Ship It” author wrote for Riverdale is turning my brain to worms yet somehow it makes perfect sense

[@oppakunn328]

The worst thing is that she is one if the better writers on that show

[@disasterdrvid]

@@oppakunn328 👁👄👁

[@beeaggro2593]

I mean the show is basically telenovela chaos and designed to be telenovela chaos so it makes sense

[@beeaggro2593]

@@oppakunn328 It's cause she gets what the show is. It's Rebelde on Crack

[@oppakunn328]

@@disasterdrvid Also fun fact the Book apaers in an episode of Riverdale itself

[@Robin-of2jt]

The Tumblr insanity of Nov 5 2020 (destial canon, cas sent to turbo hell, New York Post saying Putin was resigning, Georgia flipping blue) was really only matched by Sept 8 2022 when the anitwt Tumblr sexyman battle between Sans Undertale and Reigan mp100 killed the queen

[@valosom]

As a native Spanish speaker, Dean's line could have been translated literally and it would have made perfect sense and fit in the time. The fact that they didn't do that, was entirely deliberate. There's no other explanation for it.

[@magicmike191v2]

The question of "Is Destiel canon in your country?" is going to be what gets us through the last month of the year

[@814912]

Forget canon - I'm half German and half English, they're homophobic in both my countries!

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

Probabbly will be only Latin America

[@brain_apostrophe_t]

English: "Dont Do This Cas..." Spanish: "I love you too..." Hindi: "Im yours Cas..." Chinese: "Ive wanted you for years..." Japanese: "Take me now you big hunk!" Taiwanese: *The muffled sound of pants being taken off*

[@opaluni]

💞

[@0912sooli]

Omg and yall wonder why everyone weirded out by destiel lol

[@deadfr0g]

Korean: (loud dance music slowly fades in)

[@cyncynshop]

Who are you and how do you know Taiwan so much.

[@ancalyme]

@@0912sooli they have no sense of humor?

[@monanarchoposad9276]

normal people: "labour unions are great, they help ensure fair compensation and allow collective bargaining, giving workers the power they deserve over the bourgeois class" sarah z: "thank god for labour unions because they made supernatural great"

[@erinspicola2012]

as someone who has no previous knowledge of this show other than "it's a tumblr thing", the phrase "Destiel is canon but only in Spanish" is definitively the only other thing I need to know

[@saifsufian4286]

This video is a full length movie, and I’ve never seen the show I’m still watching

[@sage5530]

same same

[@chloekm7958]

Just learned what Destiel was like two days ago. I'm so excited for this.

[@qwertyqwerty-jy9fc]

Same

[@luvia6498]

Same. I had never heard of Supernatural until the finale

[@annabelecassarole8020]

Same

[@No-jf2st]

“I’m bisexual and- [booing]”

[@Olivviaooo]

This legit made me cry ngl

[@KittyPikaChu]

Oml💀😭

[@darko1295]

Cmon, not that i'm okay with the audience reaction either way, but the booing only started when she said that she had noticed subtext in the show. They obviously weren't booing the fact that she mentioned her bisexuality

[@TheFFilipp]

darko1295 what’s wrong with noticing subtext?

[@darko1295]

@@TheFFilipp nothing, i specified that I don't approve of them booing her for asking that.

[@tee-py3zx]

The funniest thing about all of this is that it's all lasting MUCH MUCH longer than anyone expected. It's three years after it ended, and every few months, I will STILL hear about some new, ridiculous Supernatural drama or another installment to Destielgate (which is especially hilarious bc I barely heard about fandom drama when I was IN THE FANDOM). And on top of that, the Destiel Confession Reports The News meme is STILL going strong.

[@ha_des]

i am really impressed by the girl's ability to stay calm at the panel, i am 18 too and i honestly would have burst into tears lmfao

[@akiwuff2779]

"it always bothers me when a show, that sustains itself off of the fandom of young women, mock the very people that allow it to survive." =Tea that's hotter than anything you've got in that mug. What a fantastic video.

[@yourownmother9604]

^^^^

[@shmel3689]

Honestly, it's so weird when creators are being rude to their fandom. Like ANY fandom. The fandom adores their work, spends time to engage with it, creates work that is a symbol of their adoration, and that's what they get in return? Like be fucking grateful that you got following that loves your work and it's thanks to them you're able to be creative as your main source of income, you dipshits.

[@jazzycat8917]

@@shmel3689 I personally believe its because the audience they get is not the one they want. Mainstream media and society in general calling teenage girls "cringey" for being passionate about literally anything is well documented, so when certain shows like Supernatural and Sherlock ended up with a fanbase heavily made up of teenage girls i can only imagine how pissed off this made certain showrunners and producers. They don't want to be a "cringey" show that teen girls liked: Supernatural wanted red blooded American dudes repping their red blooded American bros killing monsters, Sherlock wanted smug intellectuals of what i like to call the "reddit variety" to match their smug psuedo-intellectuallism and "genius". But what they got was a massive wave of excitable young women (many of them queer to boot). So began the cognitive dissonance: pretend that the fangirls only make up a small percentage of your audience so you can feel justified in mocking them just enough so that you also don't lose all the money that deep down you KNOW they are the driving force behind.

[@robinmitchells]

I remember there was one cartoon show, I think it was Teen Titans or something along that vein, that got cancelled because its target audience was young boys, and got a fandom of young girls instead. Sigh. And yet there are plenty of dudebros who happily insist that sexism doesn’t exist anymore...

[@joelle4226]

@@robinmitchells are you thinking of Young Justice?

[@arandomcomment1092]

I love how homophobic Destiel has brought us together in this dark time

[@dreamsprayanimation]

It truly is a dark age when the way we get together is for the Destiel travesty. The gallows are the only thing that brings ppl together in the worst of times.

[@brassen]

I had to stop this video to enjoy the deepest laugh I've had in months: "cant believe Dean died of tetris"

[@alisha6341]

I'm sorry but discussing respresentation isn't just "fandom" shit imo. asking someone about their characters sexuality shouldn't be something to be uncomfortable about imo? especially since the character is an adult, sexually active on screen and bisexuality shouldn't be such an outworldly concept nowadays ...

[@tinyghostdoodle6230]

people get so unconfortable by fans assuming a *fictional character's* sexuality, its surreal. There are some guys in this comment section absolutely l i v i d that anyone would dare to think dean and castiel arent straight. If its people heavilly pushing it on the actors aswell sure, but the characters?

[@alisha6341]

@@tinyghostdoodle6230 Yeah, i get that you shouldn't tell an actor how you draw tentacle yaoi of them with another person but she just asked about representation

[@alisha6341]

@Ellie Bush Idk if the writers were there though, and often times actors will interpret the character differently than from how they were intended to be by the writers

[@UnreasonableOpinions]

Asking the actor is inefficient since they may just not know and don't get to choose anyway, but being a dick about it is unnecessary. When you have accepted money to professionally attend a fan conference for fans at the fan panel for fans to ask fan questions and you get upset that fans ask you questions, that's 100% on you.

[@alisha6341]

@@UnreasonableOpinions See my previous comment