The Surron X Light Bee Is A GAME CHANGER!

[@spitescorner]

What do you guys think, are these cheaper mini electric dirt bikes worth your time or would you rather just have a full sized ICE bike for more cash?

[@matthewshultz8762]

For bopping around town, these things rule. It's like a 50cc scooter but doesn't carry the maintenance or smell of a Vespa. True pedelec mopeds are way more legal on bike paths but that 20mph top speed really limits how far you can go. 45% of all trips in the US are 3 miles or less, which is the perfect use case for something like this. Great vehicle for the single-person apartment dweller.

[@pd8559]

Love the idea of electric bicycles. Don’t love the news reports of apartment blocks catching fire when people charge electric bicycles overnight in their apartments when they sleep.

[@nursadrn]

I'd like to try the route on an electric. Fun without the ongoing pain of payments.

[@brokeandtired]

Clues in name. Motor? check...cycle? check....Its a definitely a hyper light motorcycle even if it uses some cycle components...And at 24hp its almost 2X the power of a euro learner legal 125cc.

[@chud67]

@spitescorner can you give the name of the place where you were riding? I live in San Antonio, so if I buy a Surron or a Solar E-Clipse electric motorcycle I'd like to throw it in the back of my Tundra and take it there.

[@theknifedude1881]

I’m 80 and I’ve been riding a SurRon for a few years. I recently upgraded to a 72 Volt 38AH CHI GLADIATOR Battery and a BAC4000 Controller. SurRons Rule!

[@blackpepe]

your too old though

[@theknifedude1881]

@@blackpepe Yeah, I don’t ride it off road anymore except to run over my dog’s leash when she’s starting to get somewhere I don’t want her to go, like when she’s chasing something into brush. I have 17” SuperMoto wheels and tires. I stick to the road.

[@paulhope3401]

You are seriously 80? Good on you if you are not joking... I'm just struggling to picture this... 😅

[@michaelhart5087]

@@theknifedude1881 80yo dude riding fast electric dirt bikes. respect👍

[@Norego.Newzealand]

​@@blackpepehave some respect man wait until your 80 I take my hat off to the dude still having fun.

[@ogethan7764]

Had one for 1000 miles now and I love it. Highly suggest them. The aftermarket support is insane!

[@DFmediaCZ]

Same! I put 3000 km on mine and I just love it. Quiet, light and no maintenance basically. Safe riding man!

[@chris_in_hd]

Does it have lots of power or do you with you went with the ultra

[@joetheagent]

I wondered if this day would come.... other channels have dipped their toe in this pool... beware my friend... there could be a very loud "REEEEEEE" sound comming from the comments section...

[@Magic_Toaster]

REEEEEEEEEE

[@LogicalQ]

Joe knows

[@thereddrob]

I've had an ultra bee for a couple weeks, and I have barely touched my motorcycles. They are incredibly fun

[@spitescorner]

I'm dying to try an ultra bee. That might be the first E-Bike I would buy with my own cash

[@SWTrailsAndWheels]

@@spitescorner Do it! Would love to see that content.

[@joekavalauskas8767]

Ultra bee vs the new talaria xxx?

[@ridgeridermoto]

@@spitescorner Agreed. Especially with the popular 18/21 wheel conversion! The only obvious drawback is the limited range, especially for us heaver fellas. How tall are you btw?

[@LarryRichelli]

@@joekavalauskas8767 the Talaria R is they one to get

[@alexicon_]

my surron experience is actually what really opened me up to the world of motorcycles! last autumn i purchased a surron, mostly as a way to explore the forest roads in my area. within like a week of getting this thing, i was down the dual sport rabbit hole and signing up for an msf training course lol! overall i've found the surron to be an awesome gateway into motorcycling. the bike is light, maneuverable, and very forgiving. i'm only 5'6" 130lb, and i'm able to confidently load this into the truck bed unassisted. the seat height is probably lower than my road bicycle lol, so i always had a ton of confidence with this thing on trail - plus it's so light even my weak noodle arms can drag this thing out of the bushes (ask me how i know... lol). also worth noting, the battery charges super quick! and in a pinch i can hook this thing up to my portable solar rig, big points there for self-reliance! so if the surron is this amazing, why head down the motorcycle rabbit hole? and that answer is pretty straightforward: power and legality. riding the surron off road is incredibly fun, approachable and confidence inspiring; but once you start thinking about expanding your range and skills a little bit more - you hit a wall in what this bike is designed for. yes you can get a new battery and controller and get this thing up to 80mph - should you? probably not if you care about your own personal safety! anyway, even while you could extend the capability of the bike to be more rangey or speedy, then you quickly hit the issue of legality. and this machine just sits in too many grey areas to be able to confidently take this thing out on the road, and expect to be able to ride all the way to the trail without attracting unwanted attention from curious law enforcement agents :P so here i am, 9 months after purchasing my surron, heading to the dealership on wednesday to pick up my crf300l :) i'll letcha know which one wins the stable wars!

[@99Yeti]

buy a cr 500 now hehe

[@alexicon_]

@@99Yeti hadn't heard of this bike before, but now i'm intrigued LOL! ended up not pulling the trigger on the 300L - the bike was just too big for me. so i ended up joining the tdub club instead 😂 suits my slow casual style. think im too small for those big boy bikes, maybe a crf125 big wheel in my future 🤣

[@99Yeti]

@@alexicon_ yea just making a silly joke for you I would say crf 150 r so you can grow into it and now change bikes In 2 years

[@mateostyle]

Funny - I recently bought a DR650 fully modded (nice suspension upgrade plus just about everything else you could do to the bike) as my first bike and have been loving it. Then I saw these e-bikes and was wondering if that would round out the fun by being more portable and rideable nearby. Now that you have your CRF what are your thoughts?

[@alexicon_]

@@mateostyle so quick note: ended up passing on the crf, and bought a tw200 instead (why? because i have really short legs lol) anyway! the tw couldn't be more opposite of the surron if i tried lol! two very different bikes, which i use for very different purposes. i like to cruise back roads and wider trails with the tdub. while the surron i'll use for quick errands around town (like quick enough for me to keep eyes on the damn thing, it'll get snatched quicker than any motorcycle!!), for scouting trails, single tracks, and when i solo ride off road. to me the surron still feels so casual and approachable. it's light, it's fast, i can cram it in the back of my vw golf!!!! i can push it inside a building for better security. i feel confident enough to ride it with just a helmet and gloves (maybe armor if i'm going somewhere sketchy offroad..), but motorcycle is all the gear all the time. end of the day i'm happy to have both bikes, and still extremely happy i got the surron before my motorcycle - it proved to be a great platform to learn and build confidence on. it's so easy to use, and so little on it to maintain, i highly recommend! but when it comes to distance, and ability to haul some camping gear etc - the motorcycle wins every time. you can't get that far on 30mi a charge, and the thought of hauling solar panels and the charger along with this bike does not appeal heh. if you want to go OUT THERE, you need a motorcycle. but! if you're overlanding in another vehicle, and can put the surron in the truck bed, trunk, or trailer etc - it is a beast of a scout vehicle and the utility there would not disappoint! and if you live in an urban environment, this thing will get you around no problem (you just gotta keep eyes on it...).

[@UncleDruncles]

The wife & I just bought a couple Talaria Sting-R’s which are a little upgrade from these SurRons. Love em!

[@JPTulo]

My Surron is what caused me to get bit with the motorcycle bug. Put a 72v conversion on it and it does 70+mph and is a wheelie machine. But it can’t cover any real distance on the freeway without depleting the battery hence how it was the gateway to the motorcycle world. But it’s great for single track and tearing around the neighborhood/city. It can go places a bike with an engine can never go.

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

You registered it? I'd be pulled over instantly if I took it on road if it wasn't plated

[@lostinspace2899]

​@@iHaveTheDocumentsnah riding the sur ron without plate here in germany ;)

[@itsturbotime2994]

Those are the ultimate stealth "supermotos"

[@VizziMoto]

Except they have very short range especially if you try and go above 25 mph.

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

I don't like electric bikes... as a main, but as an addition? This is actually very tempting. My gf is learning to ride, but we have go to empty places in the morning so we don't bother others with noise and so it isn't hot. With this, we could practice in and the around the neighborhood enough to consistently drill fundamentals on a whim. Add the versatility: we can hop on and make a quick dash to the store or theater down the road, throw them in the truck and hit up trails, maybe even go through walking areas if it allows us to go slow enough... I'm really considering .

[@gregoryibbetson3951]

When people ask me whether it is a mountain bike or motorcycle, I call it an uphill mountain bike. What is nice i can do a little urban off roading, or flogging it out in Anza Borrego. Its totally fun, but still love my ICE bike. It was also a great way to get my son into riding.

[@BIGBLUE807]

Nice to see a bigger guy on one

[@OldDirtGuy]

I put a 72V battery (60V stock) and a KO nano motor controller. It literally more than doubles the power. The brake pads fail if you work them hard. Replace them with Shimano Saint pads. Springs are cheap and available. But mine needed some love to make it fit. I replaced the fork with a higher spec unit. It's actually about eight horsepower stock.

[@realcolbyadams]

Thanks for the info. Im trading my 1960 F100 for a new Surron Bee X

[@robslams2324]

Way too expensive for what it is. I just got a 3k scooter that goes 65. For 5k id rather get a 2024 ninja 500. These e bikes should be no more than 3k for top models.

[@UkOllie09]

Yeah ridiculous i want one but i just can't afford it 4k for an electric motobike might aswell get 125cc dirtbike 🤷

[@MoxyDave]

Great review, thanks! I've had my Talaria Sting R for a couple weeks and already I have more miles on it than my year-old Beta 390 Race Edition. It's just so easy to head out the front door, dash around town, jump off curbs, ride bike ways (being respectful as possible, of course) and so on. It does everything my Beta does but in a smaller, more convenient package. For nearly the same price, the new Talaria beats the Sur-Ron in every respect aside from weight. It's a little bigger and a little badder than the Sur-Ron - you should check one out.

[@Poteluz]

You have no issues with cops since they're not street legal?

[@MoxyDave]

@@Poteluz So far I haven't had a problem. I've had a few cops slow down and watch me ride by, but none have chased me yet. I suspect they have better things to do🙂

[@Poteluz]

@@MoxyDave that scares the crap outta me that they could pull me over and confiscate my bike

[@t1ny03]

Cheap version of Surron, by a disgruntled ex Surron employee splitting off & trying to do what Surron has lead the market in.

[@joetheagent]

I would totally ride one of these. Price is a bit steep IMO but it does look like a whole bunch of fun.

[@punkguy71]

The price IS steep if you're comparing it to a pit bike or a Honda Navi but, if you're comparing it to a name brand pedal assist mountain bike, the Sur Ron is stupid cheap. Trek and Specialized e-bikes are like 7 grand!

[@paulhope3401]

Thwy are defo pricey for what they are in terms of parts and build value.. but they are so quiet and incognito that you can take them so many trails that you couldn't take an IC bike on without upsetting people and getting the cops called on you... that is what makes them worth every penny. No regrets at all, for smiles a minute per dollar it's one of my best buys ever.

[@mountaingoat8788]

@@punkguy71 hell even some non powered mountain bikes go for more lol..

[@martinfoster5163]

They cost more to buy but you save long term over maintenance and gas costs. In Mongolia, where I live, the Surron range is about $1k less due to being next door to China. A used LBX is about $2k and about $3k new. My Ultra Bee cost $5300 new OTD. My Storm Bee cost me $7k, slightly used.

[@the_boonies]

Mate offered me 50% off a new Eminent Drive and it was still more bones than the Sur. Madness 😜

[@vakama539348]

i started on a diy enduro ebike which is the predecessor of the surron, it is great for off road shenanigans but i kept wanting more power. so it ended up being the reason i got my motorcycle licence with the goal of owning an electric motorcycle. so my first motorcycle was a ZERO FX that i traded after two months for a ZERO DSR and i really loved that bike but i kept wanting more power and range. so a year afterwards i traded it for an ENERGICA EVA R RS for track and street use and i still have my enduro for off road duty that im looking to trade for a surron ULTRA BEE. the sad truth is if you love many styles of riding you will have to get serveral bikes that are specific to the style you like cuase no one bike is good at everything!

[@BenYarmis]

That transition at 11:59 is *chef kiss*

[@absolutelynobody7294]

I was looking at the first gen sur Ron before I bought my first motorcycle. After all this time I still want one.

[@acacioppo85]

We have a few e-bike crews here between New Jersey and New York. We ride everything from Super 73s to ONYX to Sur Rons. Recently there was a huge group ride in New York. Look into it 😎✌

[@ottodob]

Ive had one for a couple years. perfect compliment to my r6

[@ezpoppy55]

To quote Adam Sandoval, “Just buy the damn (e-)bike!” It looks like a blast. I’m about the same size as you, and with a spare battery, I could definitely see having one of these. Thanks for the great review, Spite!

[@Richexperience1]

Chibattery Systems makes a killer aftermarket battery for the Surron. I don’t have it but most of my friends have upgraded their bikes.

[@DFmediaCZ]

True! Im saving up for one!

[@justinchampion5468]

Man, I love most of your videos. It also helps that you're a bigger guy and it lets me see how machines and gear will fit my 6'6" & 350 pound frame. eBikes and micro-mobility stuff interests me a lot, but sadly the Sur-ron (like a LOT of the rest) have an absurdly low weight rating. I've lost a LOT of weight to get where I am (over 130 lbs in the last 4 years) but even if I lost ALL the rest of my fat i'd be around 280 lbs! Combined with my height, NOTHING fits right and everything seems under-built. If Sur-Ron or Sonders or whoever built a bike like the Bee, but with a larger front end and a suspension capable of say 400 lbs? I'd gladly pay the premium. As it sits though, it's just another nice eBike for 'average' people even though it tolerated you guys riding it. Thanks again for another great video man, it looks like you guys had blast.

[@hvymax]

Same here.

[@zane812]

did you miss the part where the owner is 360 lbs? and he still has a ton of fun on them complaining about the industry not building stuff for a complete outlier is a bit silly

[@justinchampion5468]

@@zane812 Hey Zane, I didn't miss the weight thing, just worry (as I do with a lot of my stuff) that if anything broke or wore prematurely that I'd be 'SOL' on the warranty. As far as complaining? How does anything get improved or developed if potential customers cannot voice their opinions on a public forum where fellow enthusiasts gather? Since both Spite and the owner both easily exceed the weight limit, it must not be quite as 'niche' a market as you imply. In any case, thanks for replying to me.

[@leebrewer7394]

​@@zane812not every body is 22 and 140lvs. I am double both and would buy but can not tons of things cause they are built for younger and poorer riders. Outlier. Missed market.

[@chadwatson8120]

I’m in the same situation at 6’0 and 350lbs. I’ve been looking for a bike that can pack me also.

[@JCrozier1]

Between having a regular e-bike and a DR200, I have this one covered. If it had pedals to fit in a little more of the bike space, I think it would make more sense. These class three bikes don't know where they live. Cops immediately call them motorcycles and give you a hard time.

[@wheels.3239]

Spite, please check out the Surron Ultra Bee, its a size up, they do a bigger one too but the Ultra is the best compromise for us big lads. I have the competitor the Talaria, its the biggest smile maker.

[@sorenmelchior]

I definitely think I could add one of these to my stable, but I agree with you that a foot control rear brake option would be the best.

[@hibob841]

I have to respectfully disagree with both of you there. As a novice dirt rider, learning to use the foot controls while standing is a significant learning curve. Even as an expert, I've been told, foot controls still force you to shift your weight when you might not want to-essentially forcing a compromise (at times) between keeping your line and managing your speed. Of course an expert has the skills to minimize this constraint, but all else being equal they'll still be faster if you remove it entirely. And to state the obvious, you have _way_ more dexterity and fine-grained control with your hand, vs. your foot (let alone your foot wearing MX boots!) To be totally transparent, I'm a dirtbike novice and I've only ever spent a few minutes on an electric one, vs a couple dozen hours on an ICE one. But at my level at least, the electric one was so much easier to ride that it almost felt like cheating. I have my work cut out for me reading the terrain and focusing on body position; having greatly simplified controls is really a godsend and makes me wonder if I should trade my ICE bike for one of these, at least initially.

[@mxracingunlimitedltd7784]

@@hibob841 learn on the gas bike and youll rip the ebike way faster when you get it trust me..

[@mountaingoat8788]

My Gf has one Loves it I have the Talaria sting Love it... If you get one put a 58T sprocket on her wakes her up a Bit and Helps a lil with Range climbs right up Hills if you can keep traction with them skinny tires lol

[@WideLoad405]

You should check out the Solar E Clipse. Battery and motor power between a Surron X and Surron Ultra Bee. But it has a carbon fiber frame, so its performance is supposed to be closer to the Ultra Bee. The coolest part, to me. Is that it has a VIN on the head stock, so you can register it, insure it, plate it, and ride it on the street with your M endorsement.

[@chud67]

After watching Spite's video on the Surron and reading your comment, I checked out a video on the Solar E-Clipse Electric Motorcycle and it does look really cool. I never would've thought I'd be interested in buying one of these things, but I now I am!

[@shanew7361]

​@chud67 I agree, but $6,000 + tax for an electric toy is a bit steep. One can buy a lot of other things, including a real dirt bike, lol

[@ElectroBikesusa]

Excellent review! Really enjoyed watching this and hearing your comments about the Sur ron Light bee X!

[@johngioffrebuilds]

It was awesome shooting with you man! We need to head out there again soon! Maybe some e bike Paintball at that spot? Hahahaha!

[@chud67]

What is the name of the place y'all were riding at? I live in San Antonio, btw.

[@superhelicase]

I told you it was fun. Glad you got to try one!

[@hvymax]

If I set up a Glamper for the M109 I would haul one of those on the rack

[@FreshRides]

I got a Talaria Sting MX4 and i'm so happy got it instead of the surron. more power, battery life and better fit and finish

[@realcolbyadams]

Im 240 and I'm glad that you're on it and have tried it out... Im thinking about trading my classic Ford F100 1960 Pick up for it.... a new surron Bee X lite of course.

[@mikeb.2166]

Agree you guys are a bit big for LBX (so am I). You should check out the Ultra Bee instead. Also, new Talaria MX4 is 2 inches taller with more power for $500 more, maybe a happy medium between LBX and Ultra Bee for ya.

[@hibob841]

I love the idea of having a couple acres in the suburbs, building a little MX track in my backyard, and being able to rip around on one of these without having to go anywhere and without bothering my neighbors! I really think electric bikes could open up a lot of new riding areas in urban and suburban places, similar to the indoor electric kart tracks you see in many cities. The main reason that riding areas get shut down is the noise, and honestly I do feel kinda bad riding my ICE bikes around in pristine wilderness.

[@adamwaz5615]

You make that bike look like a mini bike 😂😂

[@NinoBabyJesus]

What is your mic setup? Sounded so good I thought it was a voiceover at first?

[@thumpersquid]

I enjoy your content much better than Yams. Yes, I went there sorry Yammie. The goddam violin playing coke rant is not for me. Thanks for what you do Spite and keep up the great content.

[@thomasyo75]

Gioffre had a brief battle with physics there 1:02

[@tmadden4951]

I just converted a mtb to ebike... 54lbs... stoked to see this weight for this moto

[@ohTHATaaronbrown]

Where are you during the filming of this? That looks like a pretty damn good set of trails :)

[@tonsofbees537]

I’m not sure if this is yours. But there a wire you can cut to go faster…..lol. One thing I love about the e dirt bikes is a lot of the replacement parts is plug and play.

[@spitescorner]

The modding scene seems pretty broad based on the limited research I've done. That's pretty sweet considering I thought there was no mod-ability in e-bikes

[@coltenfisher7329]

@@spitescornerstock it’s running like 5kw with aftermartket battery can go to like 18 on stock motor and with other motor can push 30+

[@TringmotionCoUk]

The Surron marked brakes look a lot like tektro ones. Sometimes the pad quality OEM is a bit questionable and tektro discs can be a bit slippery. A change of pads and discs may be transforming, but there's a magura upgrade which is decent. No foot brake due to the type approval for this class of machine - E45 brakes are always like that

[@Elohim100]

I regret getting a dirtbike. All the trails are illegal or closed near me. But these can go on any mountain bike trail.

[@dmvbenz7536]

Just got my talaria mx4 delivered, goes 53mph stock, been riding it everywhere my motorcycle can’t go, I’ve also been wearing my moto helmet while riding, when I pass people on the sidewalk I just go real slow and give them plenty of room and they usually just smile and wave as I ride by, it helps that it’s super quiet too

[@bpdono]

Great overall assessment and very accurate descriptions based on my experience! I guess I am an early adopter as I got mine in 2020 and after riding it stock for a few years I just started upsizing and upgrading it. I've never owned a motorcycle of any kind before but have been mountain biking for decades and wanted something fun. I think there is a huge potential cross-over market for mountain bike riders who are getting older - you can hit the same trails and it's very quiet allowing you to enjoy nature in the same way. You can ride this in places where people would call the police if they saw someone on a gas powered bike. In fact in my experience people are mostly very curious and think it's cool. The possible modifications can't be over-stated as you can transform this bike in multiple ways. Sur Ron was ahead of the market for sure.

[@VS666]

these things absolutely rip! very high on my "shit i need to buy" list, and they are moving up the list day by day haha

[@adam346]

Genuinely hope battery tech and electric motor tech keeps advancing to the point where something like this is kind of a "standard" sized motorcycle but has an actually useful range. Gimme something a little bigger, 200km range and does 100km/hr (60~hphr) on the highway and I would buy it and forget that ICE bikes even exist... also fast charging.

[@mrspeigle1]

You don't want somthing that small on the highway, the wind would knock you around like a piñata.

[@adam346]

@@mrspeigle1 good point.. have saddle-bags where you can stack extra batteries... that should bring the weight up as well as put more grip onto the rear wheel.

[@spitescorner]

It's really tough to get batteries to discharge slowly at high speeds, but I'm with you. Maybe some shifting and gear reductions could improve range.

[@Magic_Toaster]

You want an Energica then

[@surronzak8154]

@@mrspeigle1 And the breaks ^^, You don't break at 100km/h even with shimano, you just slow down ^^

[@whatinthehelmet683]

Hey dude! Love your channel but I am confused on the horsepower 😅 I have been converting The peak KW to HP. So let's say it's 6KW peak power it would then translate roughly to 8HP. Am I wrong?! My Onyx RCR is pushing around 20KW of power. Definitely doesn't have the suspension of the Surron but it's still super fun on and off-road

[@du987]

It's true, his power ratings were off. Stock puts out about 4800 watts, limited by controller and battery. The Talarias are like 8000 watts. Mine is set to 15k for offroad, but in reality usually only uses 7300-9000 watts. I think 7000-8000 watts is about perfect for a stock size bike. The most peak I've seen for the stuff I ride is about 12K. Note I have now a much heavier bike (21/18 wheels, yz85 fork, etc, Chi battery, total about 172lbs), so a little more power is desired, compared to the ~115-120lb stock bike.

[@StaitlyNatters]

Wonder how it would be in the back of an rv, as the ‘get about’ option, instead of hauling an actual motorcycle or a small car. The legality is what concerns me most.

[@DFmediaCZ]

Depends on where you live. I'm in Europe, I don't even have to register it. It's considered a electric mountain bike basically. So I think you would be safe .

[@uberDoward]

ARG I WANT ONE SO BAD - Looking forward to this review. They have a couple of other models, as well, coming out, IIRC Load it up in the truck when going camping and this would be a blast, I think!!

[@brendanflegle3326]

I have the talaria sting 72 V upgraded motor and all that but I must say stock was just as fun. Typically a fully modified 72v one makes 20+hp on the dyno…stock motor Your a ninja zipping around the neighbor at night on those things

[@YooperDanKulka]

I'd like to see what it can haul. Grocery shopping, camping, bow hunting?

[@proudtitanicdenier4300]

Get an adv

[@karlfonner7589]

I have snuck up on some pretty big deer on my electric E bike conversion. It’s a bicycle with a conversion kit - so if I run out of battery I can pedal it home and it’s not too heavy. You only need the power for going uphill. So Why carry all that weight?

[@johnnygkc]

I am 5"11 and 255 lbs, I was wondering how this would handle someone my size. Good vid.

[@the_boonies]

Just got mine 2x days ago, loving it!!! And it's less than 1/2 the price of a emtb. WTAF. Been mtbing since '90 and never had a dirt bike. Now I get to use my DH skills going uphill on the Sur 🤙✌️🥳🤣🤣

[@glennlikong7916]

Okay I maybe the minority here but in Hawaii ignorant parents are buying these so called “e-bikes” for their kids I mean 8-13 yr olds and their riding them on the streets. First these aren’t street legal out of the box! There above level 2 street speed most cities allow(28mph). I’m t doesn’t have lights etc. kids are riding these without helmets etc riding in packs doing wheelies in traffic riding on a isdewalks and scaring elderly. When I was a kid a bike had peddles so kids got exercise! So let’s not fool ourselves these are e-moto dirt bikes! As he says this is not “street legal parent so please don’t let your kids con you into getting these. We’ve already had a kid get hit on one! This should be banned for street! Thank you for saying it and wearing appropriate safety gear! 🤙🏽 So please remember this as a “bike” on public streets are problematic and a danger for the ignorant! So think twice before buying for your child at least read the rules on where one can legally ride one for all potential responsible riders!

[@chrispewkreme]

By far the most fun bike over ever owned. I have a YZ250 and a WR250R. And the Sur Ron just opens up so much riding spots. On a 2 stroke you have to not care and just ride. People are gonna get upset. On the Sur Ron, nobody cares.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

I approve this message ⚡🤙

[@chud67]

@JuicedJoyrides I just watched your video on the Solar E-Clipse Electric Motorcycle after watching Spite's video on the Surron!

[@TailHappyTV]

@@chud67 Nice!

[@EMotoBoi]

Ive had a SurRon for 6 months and I've put 1700 miles on it and its really fun, almost zero mantience, since its electric you can take it basically anywhere like bike paths, parks, high school running track, etc. The brakes are not that good and the power is easy to get used to if you ride it only on road and the top speed is about 45 mph (at full battery). But I would definitely recommend the sur ron or any other electric dirtbikes like the Talaria XXX and MX4 (Sting R) especially if you live in a big city. Of course the specs change when you start modding the sur ron and the aftermarket is very good.

[@solosix3991]

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[@christianroh4175]

Dont think the bike stock is 17.7 kw. Stock peak power is 6kw peak

[@DadsDomain]

14 to 15 year old....I want one for my 11 and 12 year old 🤣

[@surronzak8154]

There is a youth version to

[@ashpunting]

But now you can buy seat risers better suspension bigger battery's bigger motors so you can fix all the basic problems you we're talking about and there is bigger Sur-Rons you can buy now fun fun fun I think a lot of people who buy this are wanna be motor cyclists and you need to pay for fuel insurance road tax or anything win win 😅😊👌🏾

[@edwardkeeter762]

It looks like something that a person looking at a Honda Trail 125 might cross-shop. Great for getting around on rough terrain, but not playing "motocross superhero" on. The nice thing is that I could transport the Light Bee using my Elantra, which would be really difficult to do with a Trail 125, much less a proper dirt bike.

[@lordbongonaba]

Saw 4 guys in Aruba this Saturday on these(older version i guess). Looked fun

[@OldDeltaBlue]

Awesome video! I am curious about these but also had me looking up my local by-laws... not sure if I can ride these on the public roads

[@timothystark5986]

A surron does not have 24hp! More like 8 or so

[@ridelikebuu]

My cousin has one with the 72v swap. It does over 78mph with me on it. I won't lie, I got scared at 78 and I let off.

[@T-Sav]

Ive got a 72v beast running 15kw' tis a beast.

[@viperq]

Electric bike done right.

[@arleneodonnell6187]

Saw one fly past me on the street yesterday. I don’t think they are legal here- they should have plates if they are on the street for sure. Just like a motorcycle.

[@adam346]

the cops around here have been using what I can only call rally-raid Zero-FXEs and using them to catch.. I dunno, people using actual dirtbikes on bike paths? Either way. I highly expect them to be zinging around on these things now.

[@itzpogboy]

it has 6kw about 8hp not 24hp or 17.7kw 💀💀

[@purelyfixedyyc4039]

I got a Surron last week and I've been pounding around Calgary in -20 blizzards. There's nothing funner!

[@111blacksun111]

im getting one of these. everything you said about it was what i was already thinking it was going to be.

[@DFmediaCZ]

Go for it. You won't regret it. I got hours of surron adventures on my channel :) love it every time

[@wasntmetoo583]

I would say as of a few weeks ago the Talaria XXX is now the actual game changer. Bigger battery, your choice of street or dirt tires, faster top speed (stock), due to battery orientation has better balance point for wheelies and at only about 66% of the price of a surron LBX ..... I have a Surron LBX but most definitely getting a Talaria XXX when they are back in stock.

[@gregoryibbetson3951]

The new Talaria xxx looks like the new way to go if dont have one already

[@MADLITS1K]

A surron dealer told me stay away from talaria because they’re not UL approved…I can’t imagine they’re selling bikes with shotty battery’s or possible electric issues, Are talarías approved by any safety branch out there?

[@mauwbae]

Yeah until you wanna take ur battery out lol

[@Joonagoona]

@@MADLITS1Ktalaria’s are being sold by ktm here in uk so I’m sure they’re up to scratch.

[@t1ny03]

Talarias are the cheaper alternative.. a brqnd built by a disgruntled Surron employee.. stick with Surron, tried && tested. Smaller, lighter ..subsequently much more fun & peace of mind.. not to mention the aftermarket availability for surron is tenfold that of talaria 😎

[@RyanMcIntyre]

I just have to be everyone's dad for a minute because nobody is discussing what needs to be discussed factually from a legal perspective. My qualifications for starting this rant are that I am 39 years as a motorcyclist, I work as a police dispatcher, and I used to be a hooligan kid. In Arizona at least, these meet the requirements of a motor vehicle which requires registration, insurance, an operator of the minimum age with a motorcycle endorsement, and that you stay on designated roadways, as all motorcyclists should know; but because it isn't common knowledge that these aren't anything more than electric bicycles, a great number of them are unknowingly being operated anywhere else bicycles might be allowed. The majority of our interactions are with responsible adults who get kindly educated and sent along their way, but the majority of the problems with e-bikes in our city come from underage riders and bikes of this caliber. The consequences of being a hooligan kid on the wrong machine these days are INSANE because my city don't play around: we send the ATV, motorcycle, and mounted officers after them and when they are caught, depending on the subject's attitude and if they tried to flee, they'll receive their only warning: No matter their age, the next police action results in charges for every civil traffic violation witnessed, a misdemeanor truancy charge if it was a minor operating it, and criminal damage charges for everything that costs money to fix (including damages from accomplices who did not get caught at the same time). Fleeing from officers is a felony which comes with more fines and minimum jail time, but this time the offender, not the parents, are held responsible, and contrary to public myth, your juvenile record of felonies doesn't automatically expunge just because you had 18 birthdays. Heed my warning: ignorant people are actively ruining e-bikes for you in your area too. These machines are motor vehicles; you need to act accordingly because police sure are.

[@Vaporizer3]

Man I have wanted one since 2019-2020 should I get a used or new?

[@collectivelogic]

Seems awesome, and love the ability to pack and take it with me.... But at almost 5K I struggle with this....there are so many amazing dual sports for this price. Brand new motorcycles under 5K. Incredible used ones too... So would you actually use this enough to justify the cost?

[@borky1987]

Exactly, they are nice bikes, but 5k is too much. If the thing would cost 3k tho I'd buy one. 👍

[@MrSoggiorno]

Had been comparing one of these with KTM 125 SX for 4 months now. My conclusion is this: Surron is for mellow riders only. Suspension sucks balls. Forget about driving this thing on rough terrain - it just not engineered for that. Light though, sharp on turns, feels like bicycle. Low, but not free maintenance!

[@michelleevans9869]

Nice review and where are those trails. They look fun

[@SummitCoyote]

that looks fun couple things, the reason the brakes aren't the greatest is because it's using mountain bike brakes on something heavier and faster than a typical mountain bike. it's one of the reasons why several people have pointed out that e-bikes are actually a lot more dangerous because they're basically just bicycle hardware but going way faster than it was ever intended to go. The price isn't completely unreasonable. you could easily spend that kind of money on a really nice road bicycle or mountain bike new. I think the biggest plus on this is the hot swappable batteries. that lets you buy the bike, decide if you want the extra range and then just get another battery if you want to. I would love to ride nature trails or forest roads on this because it's quiet enough that you're not disturbing everything around you.

[@LiLDiddee]

That the brakes are insufficient might be that Spite is riding at 20-30 lbs over the recommended weight?

[@hpzzz]

@@LiLDiddeeThe brakes work for the bike, but he is right about them using pretty much all mtb components which can be pretty weak for a 120 pound bike

[@SummitCoyote]

@@LiLDiddee i don't even know if id say insufficient as they do work, just that their response might take some getting used to.

[@surronzak8154]

OEM brakes are shit, you need to upgrade them with good mtb brakes, I have SHIGURA on mine, breaks hard

[@LiLDiddee]

@@surronzak8154 Got ya. But you have to ask, a $4400 machine that you have to upgrade the brakes?

[@punchbuggyyellow7097]

You almost had me sold until I saw the price here in Australia. $7,500 dollarydoos! Ouch! For reference, for the same price you can currently get a Super Soco TC Max electric motorcycle with a 95kph (60mph) top speed, including taxes & registration, and still have $200 dollarydoos left over for a helmet or accessories.

[@spitescorner]

Man, kangaroo dollars are wild. But then, I kinda figured y'all traded koalas for goods and services in the Down-Under-Verse

[@TJ-oi5qe]

Just over $6000 here in Canada, that’s just about what I paid for my brand new DR 650 last year. No thanks!

[@Magic_Toaster]

So that's $5000 in USD to get one in Australia and $4500 in USD to get one in Canada.

[@surronzak8154]

You can't off road or DH with the Super soco

[@punchbuggyyellow7097]

@@surronzak8154 The Super Soco has spoked wheels, so you could throw on some tyres & use it as a scrambler. Plus the price includes taxes & registration, so you can ride it to the dirt track. I'm not saying they're the same, I'm just pointing out what you can get in an electric motorcycle for the same price. To me the Super Soco is the more versatile model.

[@SWTrailsAndWheels]

Battery in your back pack? The battery is more than half of the bike weight. Doesn't run on AAs.

[@mad082sss]

The battery is made up of a bunch of 18650 batteries that are only slightly bigger than a AA battery (they are commonly used in laptops and garden solar lights and i think in power tools as well). The 60v battery uses 176 of them according to the specs on the website.

[@zachfpv4493]

Lol more like 20-25% of the bikes weight

[@Labgorilla]

This would be stolen in any major city in 2 minutes.

[@2466dfgvgygddhjnvdfc]

so fun!!! id love one so much but not currently in the financial positon

[@Jackofafewtrades]

Lmao you make that thing look comically small. I love it. Also, you should check out what Kuberg has to offer in the same space. They do a version with a 14kw motor and a weird sort of stand-up scooter/MTB/e-moto combo thing. Really weird but shows what you can do with electric power trains when you think outside the box.

[@wackydinky5588]

highly recommend the talaria sting or the ultra bee/storm bee if you can get a ride on any of those, they're all a bit suited to taller folks but aren't massive by any means

[@k.2635]

I put 4K miles on my Surron in 1 year commuting to work. You basically ride for free (no gas) and I added a ‘pedal kit’ to avoid police attention😅

[@Win7ermu7e]

You could buy a svart 401 for what these things cost.

[@skipwalker3269]

Front fender is very phallic.

[@surronzak8154]

😂

[@TRG36]

Super fun but not for mtb trails

[@paulhope3401]

I think your math is wrong brother, its only 6kW which is about 8hp. Its very different from an IC engine though with its max torque avail from zero rpm and reducing slightly over the rpm range.

[@AceNZ1964]

I have seen fatter tyres on peddle bikes and you big boys need em. Looks like fun though. My grandson Leon would be all over that. Cheers from New Zealand.

[@JonDeth]

Looks like the electric version of a pit bike. It looks cool AF, but if I can't launch it 6' at the peak of a jump and land it without destroying it, it's less than a toy.

[@ThatGermanFella]

lol, you look like a Giant on the tiny Surron! The Talaria Sting would fit you better. I have one in my Garage for a year now and they are incredible for what they are, amazing 2nd or 3rd bike albeit not street legal, but for the boonies, I take this any day over a gas dirt bike!

[@smefour]

MTB or EMTB all have pedals you have to turn to move them, they all require some physical effort to move them forward, this isn't either, it's a small e-motorized dirt bike, liked the video btw, good review info

[@brianmartindale2221]

They are fun, but the whole time I was riding one all I could think about was wanting a nice enduro bike under me. I found it small and the brakes and suspension were a little weak for the speed you could get on the thing. Also, no endurance. I can pedal a whole lot farther into the mountains than I'd trust any battery bike. For now, ICE or MTB for me. I'll let others take care of the early adopter stage and the staggering sticker prices

[@KingFriday274]

I bought my nephew a talaria mx4 because his parents said "no dirtbikes!" Technically it's an ebike.