The Surtr Problem... | SMITE

The combination of high sustain, high wave clear and great poke lead to Surtr being almost unbeatable in Solo lane. This is kind of a problem.
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[@ElevatorLink]

Others: "You can't match his early game lane pressure." Hades Solo Mains: "Hold my drink"

[@MrProdigy810]

Except that once you use your kit he’s gonna heal up and box you. And if you ult he will too. Just long enough for yours to end and his to land on top of you

[@robertness6041]

Facts got wrecked by a hades

[@ThroneUsurper]

@@MrProdigy810 hades can cancel ult im pretty sure

[@MrProdigy810]

@@ThroneUsurper and what about my point does that change? Either way he outlasted your ult and can drop it on you

[@MrNinja543]

​@@robertness6041 every hades I play gets dumpstered

[@apairoftimbs9292]

surtr is kinda in a wierd spot where he has to be oppressive or he will probably just be a bad god

[@pantherman8719]

He has a war kit but has no defense? Is he a warrior or b.a.b. assassin with dots?

[@singulant]

Agreed 100%

[@Shukulo]

L take

[@J355_dll]

The first problem that surtyrs lane pressure is insane from moment one. He's stun it easy to hit and absolutely shuts down half the solo laners, he heals constantly, and dear god, ulting into a team fight with that knockup...

[@Balila_balbal_loki]

best recommendation to anyone playing ranked is get an awilix or nezha and just kill that surtur early

[@isoxj1810]

@@Balila_balbal_loki Watch someone in my games do this knowing damn well they have no idead how to play them

[@muramasa870]

Constant heal is opressive in any other mobas

[@flamingrubys11]

isnt this the same community wh< said surtyrs bad at being a solo and only.good as a jungler?

[@sebastianrodriguez8992]

​@@Balila_balbal_lokior just Yah know Ban em lol

[@jettblade]

This sounds exactly like the Hades problem. I do agree that Surtr does need a few nerfs to round out his game but they have to be careful. I know that they have a system in Non-Conquest modes in order to nerf or buff god ability, like Ares' Ult having a longer cooldown, maybe they could use that more often so it wouldn't hurt Non-Conquest performances because I think Surtr is just fine in Arena. Honestly it sucks whenever a god gets nerfed hard because they over-preformed in only Conquest and they become unplayable in other modes where they were just fine especially when there is a system already in place for balancing Non-Conquest modes.

[@ajzorger93]

Ask arena players about zeus.

[@PabloGomez-fv6dn]

non conq changes are forgotten by hirez. im pretty sure ao kuang has buffs despite being one of the best gods in the game

[@a_r_striker1149]

@@ajzorger93 what about him?

[@Uefeti]

Conquest is the only real competitive gamemode in the game. The fact what they are making changes exclusively for it makes a lot of sense. Arena was never a competitive format, it was always just-for-fun gamemode. Devs are ok with it being broken, or whatever.

[@muganthediamondlion7506]

@@ajzorger93 Zeus is baby food

[@Shrebino]

I feel like if more people just build anti-heal and maybe nerf his 3, he wouldn't feel as oppressive

[@aries148]

He doesn’t need a nerf. He gets blown up if he’s out of position and you build anti-heal. His ult is amazing though.

[@Vulby]

@@aries148 that can be said about literally any god in the game. He 100% needs a nerf.

[@MagicLeFay]

@@VulbyNo, get gud.

[@appie4976]

@@MagicLeFayyou don't need to with surtr his kit is very easy

[@Vulby]

@@MagicLeFay I bet you cried when Contagion got disabled

[@JerrySpoonpuncher]

I play a fair amount of Surtr solo and while i think there are somethings people can do to make their experience vs Surtr a little better like buying antiheal and not trying to box me when my 3 is currently up, Surtr is still strong. providing I win the punch offs, I can secure the totem and that means I just do not care about my mana. I think increasing the cost of Surtr's spells mana wise would make him a little more fair. There are also some heroes that just shut me down like Hades.

[@sweetbabyrayso5262]

the problem with surtr is how nobody build contagion when going up against me. surtr gets rocked if your first item is contagion and if your good you can capitalize off of the contagion alone

[@aries148]

@@sweetbabyrayso5262 that’s the main issue. People aren’t building antiheal or pen early to pressure his midgame. I guarantee if they did the bare minimum Surtr wouldn’t seem scary.

[@huntergoshorn8015]

@@sweetbabyrayso5262 contaigen as a first item doesn't make much sense to me. Something like a glad shield or berserkers depending on the warrior your are. Physical defense items that give you a chance at trading seem like the best choice if you ask me..And if you're a mage you probably want a warlocks or maybe book of thoth cause you need to start instantly stacking it. Solo lane hunters tend to not have defense items and just play as a 2nd Hunter depending on the meta. And solo guardians really need something that gives a bit of power or they won't clear wave ever. Especially against surtr. Hands down you wouldn't ever want to do it on an assassin where you'll be wanting to get beat stick at some point anyways. I just feel contaigen is kinda underwhelming first item? It's kinda the issue of building defense when behind(obviously different as supp or solos. You'll always need defense at some point). Let alone first item; You have no ability to pressure or fight back against pressure. You can tank but that doesn't do anything besides keep you alive a little longer as they out secure your blue because they have enough damage.

[@onikuridotcom]

​@Hunter Goshorn your comment ignores how strong Bluestone is. Which can clear minion waves by itself in one or two abilities. Warriors aren't building power items normally because of the passive buff defense items have now

[@excursor4296]

I fought a Surtr in solo as Ymir and did decently well until early mid game and started doing well again late mid game.

[@tvlovesme3364]

I feel surtr really isn’t an issue past first item. Rush contagion and you’re pretty much on even ground with him, maybe even winning. He’s definitely powerful early game, but the way his power wanes off as the match progresses makes him less of a problem imo.

[@keyzzz9798]

Exactly, kinda reminds me of chacc with his early game pressure and sustain then he kinda falls off late game

[@axel9473]

I think that's why any further nerfs should be mainly directed at his early game, while leaving his late game numbers mostly untouched.

[@peterbrown8455]

I had the strangest experience in my first ranked game with him in my lane. I played tainted Sobek (first item tablet, defense) and got first blood from him outclearing and stupidly playing on tower line. I ended up getting a couple more kills on him, but somewhere after 2nd item (I had gotten regrowth since I had a lead, I should have gotten contagion; he had bluestone, soul eater, glad) he started to really outtrade me in brawls despite being behind. I blame the bloated passive and the fact that I was consistently getting to that 15% threshold or something. Because he didn't have defense, I did. I had tainted+ my 3, and I hadn't lost trades when it was soul eater vs early tablet. Wild.

[@mrdhong2143]

That build just sounds bad sobek is horrible at stacking tablet of destinies and it doesn't even do that much damage at that point of the game you need to build mana for it to be good I could out damage you just by standing next to you with a mystical mail ticking

[@thedoomslayer5863]

You just camp your tower line bc he put pressures you then try to pluck him under your tower. That's not called winning that's just called losing and playing boring to compensate

[@peterbrown8455]

I mean 4 damaging abilities and in solo lane. I had no trouble stacking. I'm certain I had all 50 before 20 min. And I'll take true dmg into squishies over a little magical. But maybe I'll try mystical in the future. Tablet-> defense absolutely shreds on Jorm, though (which is why I tried it on sobek)

[@TheSket]

Edit: TL:DR Sobek as an aggressive solo laner is mega bait as big poopy damage against on level warriors and bruiser guardians. No that’s just a sobek issue. Sobek is heavy bait for those who don’t know better. His kit seems perfect for outputting a fair bit of damage with obviously four damage abilities coupled with some nasty cc and some healing and absurd mana sustain. On paper he looks like a nasty solo lane guardian especially with a passive making him insanely tanky. But he simply just doesn’t have the damage to make it happen. Cuz alone after you’ve used your kit you’ve likely only done 10-15%, on the high end, of their hp and they simply walk past you back to tower because your sobek and A can’t clear waves very well and B have poopy guardian autos as your only source of damage. Sobek is just the ultimate lane staller because he’s so tanky and with a long duration cc immune Ult you can’t really lock him down so on the off chance he trolls enough for you to get him low he jsut ults back to tower.

[@gabrielcurry457]

Anytime I get solo since Surtr's release I've just played baron cuz I wasn't dealing with his broken ass. Barons 3 stops him from being able to W key and confirms my combo which heals any poke dmg he did and my ult stops him from ulting me under tower. Completely countered and it's still a hard matchup. If I ever miss my 3 he's definitely doing half my health in no time.

[@thedoomslayer5863]

Boring solo. Play a real solo

[@gabrielcurry457]

@@thedoomslayer5863 lmfao the fact you think barons not a real solo when he was one of the strongest solos ever on release is crazy

[@gabrielcurry457]

@@thedoomslayer5863 but nah you go ahead and play your role face on controller gods lol

[@mrdhong2143]

They should remove one or both of his cleave auto attacks in his hit chain he already gets enough pressure from the rest of his kit I don't know who's idea it was to give him an even easier time clearing waves 😂

[@SuperRyanJoe]

Ive had great luck against surtrs with wukong. By lvl 5 two abilities is all it takes to clear that wave and the rest is an even matchup

[@omarionclark1900]

Shh if people start playing wukong they're gonna nerf my main.

[@wonderboy2778]

Wukong, Cu Chulainn and Guan Yu are good matchups against him, wukong is the best matchup here

[@wonderboy2778]

also coming from someone who has him god rank 10 with nearly a star 😂😂😂

[@SuperRyanJoe]

@@omarionclark1900 😂😂 u right

[@SuperRyanJoe]

@@wonderboy2778 yea i agree

[@Procrastinater]

A potential fix is to make his 1 scale more exclusively with his stacks, as it would force players to sacrifice the speed of their clear to secure stacks.

[@QuAd_Rambo_]

Play cuculin into him if against him you will literally farm him since he gets you in big mode so easily plus your one has built in antiheal

[@DanilegoPlays]

I love Surtr, because I can finally play Ah Puch solo now! Absolutely hard-counters him

[@Patrick_The_Pure]

Dude has so many counters, plenty of times i got recked as him, and i recked plenty of times i recked him. I have no clue why people say he's OP, when freakin' Cuchu is out there ramming you like a choochoo.

[@joshreid1006]

@@Patrick_The_Pure Cuchu is definitely more annoying, I run into one almost every other game. But even with Cuchu his late game seems not as reliable when he can’t change constantly

[@TheSket]

@@Patrick_The_Pure I mean just walk back to tower when he transforms. Do this and unless he’s mega cringe and holds wave it won’t matter. But he can only hold it so long as he’s transformed. As long as you play the first five minutes decently enough and don’t fall behind cu chu isn’t super hard to play into

[@dragonheart1236]

Surtr, in my experience, is really easy to stop, because he has no movement. His only escape option is his ult, which can be followed. So, who is the best counter? In my opinion, it's Horus. Now, Horus is generally considered a pretty weak solo laner, but his strong cc combo, variety of movement abilities, self and other healing, and ult that can easily chase an escaping surtr, allows him to handedly win the lane against the fire giant.

[@vikkstardoom2950]

Couldn't help but notice you compared his lane pressure to other warriors, which at firs glance would be reasonable since he himself is a warrior, but i see warrior solo laners in only about 15% of my games

[@pyromaniac000000]

So i was playing hades in assault, they had a surtr and 3 other physicals, and a cthulu who only built protection (and none of the damagy ones either) so i bought some physical protections, to about 200 prots. And surtr was STILL bursting me for 800-1000 damage, despite having no pen, like one item with power, and only glad shield as damage. I didnt think he was broken until recently, yeah he’s a problem lol

[@TheAsmodha]

I've played a lot of Solo matches against Surtr, and yes, he is that much of a monster. But a Sylv with Death Tools will clear and push Surtr back under his tower 9 out of 10 times on early. Verdant Growth and Wisp are a dangerous combo on early stages.

[@xVixiee_]

Everyone: "Surtr is a broken solo laner" Cu Chullain: am I a joke to you

[@pestilencetheplague7646]

Hey shhhhhh

[@xVixiee_]

@@pestilencetheplague7646 what are you a cu chullainn abuser?

[@pestilencetheplague7646]

@@xVixiee_ no I try to and fail so I need to learn how to

[@BYtheHORNsGaming]

I played a lot of warriors axe surtur when the year 10 patch dropped because I wanted to see if any other starter besides bluestone was going to be viable in the laning phase and I can 100% attest to the fact that his clear isn't as insane without it, which isn't a surprise or anything blue stone in most of it's year 10 forms has been nuts and almost required until the mitigation build became a problem. But the reason I bring it up is because playing with the build path of maxing the 3 first like most surtr players seem to do (i'm more of a yeet leveler myself) is that a lot of the pressure you accumulate becomes hard to capitalize on the moment you take bluestone out of the equation. The damage from ember walk becomes a lot more managable to fight into, his buff secure is questionable, and his main way of clear requires you have enough position to capitalize on the 2 explosion damage which with minion ai can be kind of jank and the problem of fighting into him can literally be mitigated by doing what you are supposed to do in those situations which is not fighting him and taking a couple of Ls to come back in the mid/late game. Don't get me wrong his numbers very much need adjustment but personally my issue is the current itemization. Change or remove bluestone, create a meta where hybird builds (not items) can be effective past 20 minutes and you'll start to notice how underwhelming surtrs kit is. Low utility/conditional utility, easily dogpiled and requires a lead to be effective in the mid to late game. that early pressure is really all the character has at the moment and I think it'd be a shame to gut a character because people just don't know how to play into early pressure. Besides you know how many people even in ranked don't know hot to capitalize on the early game pressure they get. I'd say being able to effectively rotate means you know what you are doing and are being rewarded for playing smart. But of course that's my opinion.

[@onikuridotcom]

I hard agree with this. If you don't go *meta build* then he is a decent... like B tier God. But that Bluestone, much like Merlin with the Tablet, just boost them to another level. The problem in my opinion is the starting item

[@TheTouristArrives]

Controversial, but maybe re-tool his passive? The comparison you brought up between Surtr’s passive and Hercules’ 3 is a good one and maybe those kinds of effects (heal-on-hit) shouldn’t be on a passive at all. I understand Horus gets prots and a heal after taking damage, but it isn’t nearly as many as Surtr and there’s a delay on the heal so that passive seems balanced. But Surtr definitely needs an adjustment. I don’t think any god in the game should be as strong as he is currently at level 1. It’s a bit much.

[@LaScamorza]

hades kinda eat his ass in lane (faster wave clear, and has to ult hades ult to get out so he becomes gankable) so its not even the strongest laner and considering how much nerf all warriors already took this season i would prefer to see no nerf on him, instead i would like to see some buff to other warriors to make them viable

[@aceinthewhole]

“when the child is being thrown” 5:29 Awh yes sutru THE CHILD THROWER!

[@fleshanbones1550]

It's honestly his 3. It's a very good dive ability. Especially if you have no leap

[@juliuszukauskas9137]

Personally I think he's fine as he is, his early game Prots from his protections do need to be touched on. But he's fine, as a king arthur player I find him quite easy to out pressure and kill. Given the new anti heal item changes he's not as bad as first perceived. Yeah new players can and will find him extremely oppressing. But it's easy to stick to your guns and zone him out with your ranged poke. If he has his 1 up lead him to wave so he hits the wave and you're safe from his magic damage poke. for 2 just juke it out. Yeah it'll be hard to juke out reliably against a good player, but given that it's only minions and the child that go through wave and have a slower travel time in return it's easier to avoid that. If you know you're gonna get hit alot by it. Just get Contagion For his 3 if he's trying to box you. I'd say go nuts. You can get in the way of his orbs if you constantly turn clockwise with since that's how they drop on rotation, that way you body block his orbs and prevent his sustain plus prot gain. This has worked for me and made it not exactly a breeze but bearable to box him. As for his ult given the way it's fundamentally designed, don't have jung gank. The easiest way to get it out is simply outplaying and pressuring the surtr harder than he can out pressure you. Yes he snow balls hard but if he falls behind a little, the game gets very painful for Surtr. And thus he'll always Ult to safety in lane. Then you can get Jung to gank and kill him. Again this is from my personal experience and my Elo isn't enormously high. So to those who think about replying, tell me what works for you.

[@ninponighthawk]

what works for me, gold 3, is to ban him 100% of the time in P&Bs. otherwise instant lock him and win lane and probably the game assuming your team can avoid a forced trip to fountain. if he does, as a solo main and jungle second, I baby sit the absolute piss out of him. if he goes for blue im there waiting, if he goes for silver, im there. basically anytime a buff comes up in solo im rotating to pressure him off and back as even 2 levels behind a confident surtr can absolutely out trade most if not all the other solo laners in a 1v1.

[@meganobgutzkraka2398]

this is the only time i actually LIKE contagion because it just drives surtr into the dirt. however he still has a lot of abilities to make him trade well, his passive wants him to trade, his autos hit hard and he's always doing damage in an aoe, he'll probably ALSO build contagion because let's be real all solo's build contagion... it doesn't help that in general solo lane (and support) is the weakest right now after all the nerfs to it and huge buffs to others.

[@Ottocide]

I'm a bad warrior player(I like Mages), but I have never performed so well with any god as I have with Surtr. He is absolutely ridiculous.

[@tarajipowell9227]

In my opinion surtr has one of the easiest if not the easiest kit to start a team rush as his entire kit is about being aggressive and sustain, he has a hard time escaping though as once his 3 runs out all he has is him ult and possible relics to help him out

[@nashbutler]

If you are solo against him just pick hades and you can bully him really hard I don’t even ban him in ranked anymore because I’m like 12-2 as hades vs him. If your going to try this you just have to let him push you until lvl 5 then you can fight back

[@DrunkCrazyMonkey]

As a Tyr solo I don’t really struggle that much against Surtr.

[@arigaki3176]

The problem with surtur is his ability to overpower almost every warrior in solo with wave clear and it almost makes you force to play a different role in solo and if you do then you will be forced to build a certain way sense you would be very squishy early game and even if you have anti heal nothing changes much against surtur so I think the problem lies in his three again even after it was nerfed it was still ridiculous or nerf his passive to lower the amount or speed that his passive spawns of those rocks sense that's what seems to be the problem sense his 3 automatically picks them up and why he's so oppressive against other warriors

[@Dropem7777]

I have not had much of an issue with Surtr the times that I have faced him in lane because i have played him before and knew to counter build and play careful. Like the herc issue a lot of the issues comes down to people not understanding how the god either works or how to play against them. I remember old herc and always built anti heal against him to deal with him regardless of the role. A big factor as to why gods like Surtr get away with so much is people either picking poor match ups, not taking into account the enemy they are facing, and/or not building correctly. Though the release Surtr I think was too much with his passive. Being able to out right break the game is not okay. People do not build anti heal most of the time unless the pros include it into their build. Most people just auto buy or just follow a build and stick to it fanatically without ever being adaptable.

[@TheillustriousBanana]

In all my experience with laning against a Surtr I don’t find it to be that bad. You just buy some anti heal, let him W key his life away, and then go do what you need to do.

[@aries148]

It’s that simple.

[@aaron9777]

Dude that’s stupid af considering he will out clear you and pressure you under tower. Then pressure blue and totem. Your “counter” to him is to be a little bitch, which doesn’t work in solo lane.

[@stealthyturtles]

i wouldnt mind an auto attack chain rework like they did with daji, the cleave autos are what make him absurdly oppressive. Tyr uses a 1 handed giant sword and swings horizontally and doesnt get cleave autos, why did they give them to Surtr. if they made his attack chain like 1-0.5-1.5 dmg where he does an overhead swing, followed by a slightly faster hilt hit to reposition the sword over his shoulder, then a 2 handed downward swing that would be cool looking and balance him out. on the last swing, give him a small aoe burst if they really want him to have cleave. like +2 meters in a small circle that deals 0.25 auto damage so the cleave has to be hard committed. being so early in the chain makes it too strong when coupled with the rest of his kit. Nike has early cleave autos, but her clear can be interrupted by silences and stuns so she can be counter picked hard, plus it takes along time for her to dish all three slaps out so early cleave works for her. Osiris has late cleave so he has to commit to it and cant AA cancel to generate a ton of pressure. Mulan has late cleave but she has 2 powerful abilities for wave clear. Surtr can just cancel his last auto in the chain and repeat the early cleave twice with his 1 and his 2, while pumping poke dmg with his 3 into the enemy god in the early game, while sustaining and getting increased protections, while proccing Regrowth if he wants that item so every wave he can just rush you while his 3 kills the wave once you start pushing midgame and hes already up 2 levels. Plus regrowth has good stats on top of a great passive. side note: alot of people saying "you just dont know how to fight Surtr just do XYZ and its freelo" type remarks. seems like its mostly plat and below opinions. once you start pushing into mid upper diamonds and playing against streamers and pros then thats when Surtr just nukes the lane. ya, playing against highly skilled players is gonna have issues on any god, but when the god is clearly overtuned and the player is really good on top of that, thats when it becomes relevant. the games not balanced around mid ranks, its balanced around the top end with mid ranks being considered partially

[@rexcristallospada6496]

I feel like smite keeps trying to make everything more complex as a way to keep people interested. But that just leads to them making even more dominant and ridiculously OP gods or builds. "oh we didn't see a lot of anti-heal in SPL, so now you can have 90% anti-heal with contagion and a beatstick" If you want an example. Just look at any of the newest gods ability descriptions... And then look at Hun Batz

[@mrchill530]

I'm just a lowly gold ranked player at the moment but anytime I see a surtr get picked for solo I just go guan yu, build axe into contagion into glad shield and have never had an issue with getting out pressured by surtr. They all typically burst their 1 and 2 onto a wave to clear it but of you dash through surtr to group the wave then hit your talo assault you both end up starting at each other deciding whether to jerk each other off or go clear jungle camps and wait to do it all over again. He doesn't seem very oppressive to me you just have to pick into him

[@iyziejane]

He has the most telegraphed ult in the game, like a worse Nu Wa. It can be useful if you exhaust the enemies movement but overall it is weak. Most mages and hunters can outrange him and backpedal while peeling of his health while he slowly walks towards them - this seems like what the passive is for. He's strong but isn't on my list of OP characters.

[@lordkifis2757]

CAN I GET A HOY YAH SURTR DADDY

[@VialofNMTears]

No

[@Inters3ct]

Hoy yah

[@The96pieman]

@@Inters3ct HOY YAH

[@mikeyyahle3841]

Hou Yi

[@franciscofernandezmedrano9613]

I think its an overxageration, yeah he could get a small nerf and still be a good option as a solo laner, I dont think he needs a nerf

[@brunch.]

I dont really mind him since he is really strong early but pretty mid late. In my experience he often gets blown up if the game goes for too long, and given the relatively low impact of solo lane in most games usually surtr's early dominance does not translate into a game-changer either way. If they did significantly nerf his early game theyd have to do something else to make him better late, cause I think he would be quite bad and honestly just unfun to play otherwise. Late game surtr is such a snooze fest to play in my opinion, his engage options just dont feel very good at all.

[@stealthyturtles]

what rank are you playing at if solo isnt impacting your games? by 12-15 mins solo can snowball across the map. if your solo is behind and a +2 lvl on the whole board solo laner comes arcross the map you just lost mid tower and gold fury plus a team fight.

[@brunch.]

@@stealthyturtles what rank are you that solo can snowball at 12 mins? You can make impactful rotations out of solo if your team isnt already behind, but just being up 2 levels isnt going to magically win you teamfights when your team is even or behind. Your effectiveness on rotations out of solo is completely dependent on how the rest of your team is doing, which is something you cant control in the early game from solo. Really not that complicated. Not to mention, what rank are you that you are getting up by 2+ levels at 12 minutes? All you have to do is sit under your tower and have your jg help you secure your blue and you should be more or less keeping up in xp by 12 no matter what your matchup is.

[@brunch.]

@@stealthyturtles theres also absolutely no reason to lose a teamfight a mid tower and the fury. IF its really true, as you say it is, that a solo laner with 2 level lead can immediately win you a gold fury at 12-15 mins (by the way, not true at all), then at worst your team should just leave the fury and keep their mid tower + no teamfight loss.

[@blackwingdragonmasta]

I think surtr is fuckin great. He does have some weaknesses against certain gods but his sustain is so good and if you pick up deaths toll for your starter it's crazy how much early damage he does too.

[@matthewcochrane9499]

There’s a common trend of hirez releasing op warriors… gilg, shiva, now surtr

[@serghonest9]

Thank you!! I finally understand why he tanks the minions and still kills me!

[@kourbyn]

he’s definitely a hyper lane bully, but he doesn’t stand out that much more than most warriors late game, if you’re hitting his stun and burning beads he’s great, but junglers and hunters are hitting very hard late game even mages too so by that point if he gets caught out and has to ult he can either be burned or can be caught up to. he does very well in teams with a lot of hard cc tho, i’m definitely not saying he’s anywhere near bad late game.

[@Tilley53]

Tbh, I don't think Surtr is broken. I know a lot of people will probably disagree. But if you build anti heal early, Surtr can't really do much against you because he can't heal. I've fought him in solo a ton pre nerf to his damage and passive heal scale. But because I always have around 90-100% anti heal as a solo laner. He can't out heal my damage. And early game he can't do enough damage to me to beat me in lane

[@timm4008]

whens the on buff for every hunter?

[@sebastien4908]

I like how hi rez doesn't seem to care how broken Surtr is xd

[@MrBuns-yi2hk]

His passive and stun are the most OP imo. A near instant ranged stun just sucks to fight into.

[@Cjacker44]

Video idea also, get your viewers to send in fails and react to them :)

[@grantweaver3698]

He does well early-mid with bluestone and his 3. (especially if he's building ability lifesteal.) Super oppressive if you get near him. But late game he gets pooped on (in my experience) by any kind of ranged mage or hunter. I've found that kiting him with ranged poke keeps him away. If he can't get close to you, he can't hurt you. Anti-heal is also a huge help obviously.

[@joshreid1006]

I’ve been running Chronos jungle and it’s absolutely hilarious when I play him, I just let him chase me and whip constant stuns at him

[@grantweaver3698]

@@joshreid1006 Yes! You know that surtr was screaming at his TV/monitor 😂😂😂

[@PotBellyLion]

I feel like there's always gonna be something someone feels the need to address when It comes to this game. Earlier in the seasons, it was Mulan. Now it's Surtr.

[@ajzorger93]

The game gets updates. Things are broken. Things get fixed. Things get broken again. Are you new to reality?

[@stealthyturtles]

ya dude thats why theres things called "Patches" they do every two weeks. some characters are clearly overtuned and doing too much. Ever hear of release Guan? Maybe thats too old school, what about release Baron? Dudes were pumping out absurd damage, on top of healing half the hp pools through antiheal for the entire team, on top of being flex picks that could be played anywhere.

[@justdracir8197]

Me: *watches video* : yeah i agree with his insane waveclear. Also me: *only plays arena right now* :D

[@vem2677]

while his laning phase is insane, his late game team fighting is average at best. Hes very easy to kill late, maybe thats just the case with any solo lane tank when you dont have sigil though.

[@ZeroKOR1]

The second part is the answer you are looking for. Warriors keep getting nerfed because of joust.

[@frederikmarteau5150]

So he's going to be like yemoja but as a warrior? Keep throwing nerfs his way and then just give up on it?

[@MrJaxon620]

I've yet to lose a lane to surtur all because of souleater. I'm a Bellona main but I've also marked him with cuchulain,vamana,Hercules, but mostly Bellona. I'm not saying I've won every game though, cuz it's hard to peel him off squishies but I dominate him in lane

[@robertness6041]

I’m convinced intersect doesn’t know how to play around surtr lol

[@wyvernsith6666]

surtr: My early game perssure and clear are unmatched i am solo lane hades: allow me to introduce myself

[@kobineff]

I personally love the god now with that said. He does have the strongest early game of any warrior. With a good late game. The thing is I actually dont think surtr should be nerfed in early game I think the other warriors should get early game specific buffs as surtr clears lane quick and starts boxing fast if all the warriors could clear lane just as fast early there would be more fighting in lane witch would be more fun. Also I started earlier that surtr was strongest warrior but yamir actually destroys surtr in solo for the most part. U wait till surtr 3 is finished freezing him hit him with yamir 2 and auto the crap out of surtr Yamir also makes ganks possible against surtr as you freeze him and throw both your kits on him and he dies. I'd say if thay do nurf surtr make his ultimate take longer to cast and maybe make it so you can stun him out of it. Making him more gankable while still keeping that strong lane clear.

[@AlexMartinez-fu5nb]

Can you do an Assault rant for Ah Puch and Ah Muzen Cab? Could be hilarious

[@lickerswalrus5781]

i love your surtr gameplay just absolutely dumpstering the thana

[@shwaylake]

the only thing that frustrates me about surtr is the ult is undodgeable. i really wish controlling the meteor felt more “stiff”

[@tankadamka]

I'm a hardcore warrior main in most game modes actively. I love all of them and Surtr is not an exception. He's strong, yes but it's season 10's first god, the long awaited fire giant arrived. Nerfs will incoming as with Gilga and other OP warriors. Still better than the Mulan release....

[@franklinsisson1281]

I wonder who at hi rez put better bell passive in the game and thought it would be fine

[@nashbutler]

Please for the love of god make a video about anti heal there isn’t a tab for it so I swear most people just don’t think it exists. Like I currently couldn’t tell you if there is a good hunter antiheal

[@nashbutler]

I of course know brawlers and toxic but did they actually remove shadow

[@francisharkins]

Kit wise I say his abilities could get the small tweaks to scaling like all god's, but the big thing is the stacks from his passive. If it had a more reasonable max then that would help alot to limit just how good he is. Since Surtr isn't just a conquest problem. Joust and Slash see alot of Surtr traffic as well. The other issue is people have a stigma against anti heal. Alot of people don't seem to want to build it or don't trust it will impact the game heavily. I don't know what heal meta was so bad that people think its better to just truck through with damage, but is must have been real bad to makw the community as a whole ignore anti heal.

[@swagger3164]

I subscribed just for that Will Smith comment alone! hahaha

[@Ttvrastamakku]

As a surtur main there are other warriors who out clear and out punish him

[@riveratha7928]

as a casual player, havent seen him be a huge issue(though I do counter-build) but I've tried to Play him and haven't found how to make him op

[@asbestoz1123]

Nice to have everything laid out like this, when he first came in the game I got pooped on with all of my good solos. Nike is great against him tho.

[@Cjacker44]

Inters3ct not that it matters but what’s your mmr in ranked conquest? I’m hard capped in silver but it’d be cool to know what I’d need to grind until to see you in a lobby😄

[@DT-pz1wi]

I'm not sure what the right thing to do is, but I think it would be nice if they brought down the damage numbers on his 2 and 3, but buffed the stacking damage on his 1 by either 1 magical damage or 2. It would shift his damage to be more single target as well as nerf his early clear.

[@samgraffen9212]

Keep in mind Fafnir's passive gives him up to 25 of each prot, while Surtur's is 78 at lvl 20. If we equate Fafnir's passive gold gain to be equal to Surtur's heal, and Fafnir was released today with similar stat bloat, imagine how it would be getting a free ~80 prots on a guardian.

[@stealthyturtles]

damn i didnt realize that. 78 is so many free prots dude wtf where they thinking. 78 prots is equivalent to like a 3k gold item of a single protection type, with Proph cloak being the only item that can even hold a candle to that for double defense and you need to stack it so its not fully online for like 60-70% of the match.

[@samgraffen9212]

@@stealthyturtles Combine that with his default lvl 20 prots and you get 167 phys and 142 mag prots, thats a 62% phys dmg reduction at over half the prot cap without a single def item to his name. He can fairly reasonably hit the prot cap with only 4 items if they all give prots of both types.

[@stealthyturtles]

@@samgraffen9212 ya those numbers are just bloated af. that gives him prot cap + soul eater and bluestone upgrade for dmg. +an increased effective lifepool of +~10-20%, without soul eater procs, which would raise that to around +~17-25% depending on antiheal applications. if your build has you at 3300 hp, without SE, and assuming you pick up 80% of your passive orbs, thats around 4k hp pool. with SE and procing regularly, youre starting to push into 4200-4300 effective hp. this is without mitigations and defense, thats just raw HP, so you are really looking at nearly 5k hp without doing any math. and you still have max prots with ~+70-100 power. with all the penetration though you are probably looking at closer to a 4k total effective pool, but still thats Ymir lvl of HP, building a shit load of HP items too. with no lifesteal or healing passive.

[@yabasta13]

Nerfs to the landing phase only

[@singulant]

I've managed to out-pressure surtr with artio and some anti heal without having to try too hard. I think if ppl would just build properly and stop holding the w key against him they'd see he's not as crazy as thought

[@singulant]

@Inters3ct. OH GEE FUCKING WIZ IT MOST BE MY LUCKY DAY! Do you need my social? My credit card information? Please tell me how I can accept my prize! 🖕🏼

[@ZeroiusProduction]

I get when a god needs to be a little over tuned when they release (for the lols and so people play it more) but it's been what +2-3 months and seems like he's still at his peak (not his extremely broken state) but he's definitely better then every other warrior at the moment.

[@ashleyw6728]

I love playing as him

[@epicstar5561]

Yea but have u played 24/7 transformed cu chulainn yet

[@robjackson2731]

It would be pretty tragic to see his mid and late game get nerfed, but yeah his lvl 1-13 is broken and unbalanced.

[@CottidaeSEA]

His ultimate basically guaranteeing that at least one squishy will be out of commission for a teamfight is just crazy. They should reduce the amount of time he spends in the air, thereby nerfing his mobility.

[@bakublader1999]

Oh look, this is the second game with a surtr problem.

[@noavgg]

I agree with you and find him frustrating. if the make his ultimat slower to fly away and make his clear les efficient i think he be okay

[@ninponighthawk]

Increase his mana cost per ability, remove the haste from his 1 or the slow from his 3. why does he need a haste, a slow, a stun and a knock up. the dude basically is either burn beads or get a quarter to half your health deleted/ that or sit under tower and turtle and pray to god you can try to not fall too far behind in exp and gold.

[@Hey_Noah]

Bro I'm almost at a star on the OG fire giant and I couldn't be more happy lol

[@justme_1075]

As someone who is 75% mage there is no chance at fighting a surtr. I could build pure pen, double anti heal, health and lifesteal or all power and it tickles him. Same goes with all tanks lately don't get me wrong but surtr is a different level of hurt once he starts to w key at me and there is nothing I can do but hope that he misses his multi agni circle ult

[@carlalf915]

I think he is very similar to Jorm hood laning but bad team fight. Definitely needs early game nerfs but his late name is fine in fact a little underwhelming

[@sinisterniik]

His passive needs an internal cooldown, and his 3 needs to do a little bit less damage (at least at rank 1). Also buff Chaac rank 1 so that the other "laning" solo laner can compete.

[@RisenUponTomorrow]

But I like Surtr, therefore his over-poweredness is perfectly acceptable :)

[@Sun_Tzu1]

The true counter is Ymir. Ymir likes pancakes.

[@virustsunami4096]

Disgn is super, just keep the passiv and reduce dmg numbers, then hes fine. Bc its same w anubis.. If they dont get antiheal, they should get punished 😊😉

[@Luuute]

I like how on release people were more quick to think 'No he's not OP. After all this waiting for FG he can't be OP' Well....

[@benlewis5136]

Thre are 2 problems with surtr 1. His laning is opressive 2. His ult is basically a "get out of jail free" card

[@soulsbornephantom]

Are we forgetting about guan yu here?

[@TheEmperorDoctor]

I didn't know hes op i bearly see him in joust

[@Minutemaid_gaming]

I hope y’all know herc counters surtr passive

[@BalrogIsCool]

Me loves to play Surtr :D Got Mastery 10 already and he is my new main. Yay Surtr new god

[@ratinc.t3748]

I still think a late game hyper tank like lol nasus is the right approach. Nerf a lot of his early but make his late astronomically terrifying. Ragnerok is coming is his lore afterall

[@MesiahOTHill]

Surtur fun as hell

[@igglibra]

has anyone maxed his number 1 stack? I made it to 110 but the game finished before I can

[@mr_exclusive9799]

All the warriors get nerfed to the ground we got have some strong ones tbf bro, I remember old erlang shen offensive from the very get go wow

[@HadeyanUtkan]

Other solo laners need buffs I dont think Surtr needs nerf