The Survival of the Fittest?

Does Might make Right?
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[@Deathnotefan97]

I always thought of "Survival of the Fittest" as the opposite of what people usually mean Species don't survive because they're fit, they are fit because they survive The problem comes from the _definition_ of fitness

[@altansirin5830]

Survival of the ''Fit enough''

[@henfinzim]

Altan Şirin Thats actually a better description.

[@isrealistheauthor1489]

Altan Şirin Survival of the fittest: The Prisoners Bible. By Chief Shuaib Y. Israel. Get the book! Or Face The Music!!

[@virtxual6761]

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[@enderpup9289]

Altan Şirin Listen to the mandalorians and pre vizla: ONLY THE STRONGEST SHALL RULE!

[@altansirin5830]

@@enderpup9289 Strong will rule ofcourse but that doesn't mean the meek can't exist. No man rules alone. They need people to do their bidding. Those who are strong enough will continue to exist and procreate.

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I want Sally to stop.

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Firefox is red, Explorer is blue. Google+ sucks and Chrome does too. No Sally must kill.

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I want to get off of Ms. Sally's wild ride.

[@blank0s162]

Bojan T. Ms. Sally says: "The ride never ends"

[@UnusuallyLargeCrab]

God damnit Sally.

[@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820]

Go on Sally. I'm sure he deserves it.

[@DrTomatoSpaghetti]

Reminds me of the "moral foundations" theory, basically saying that humans tend to share a set of ethical values across cultures because they're evolutionary useful, and those foundations go on to inform political and ethical preferences/choices. From the little website the theory has, the moral foundations are: 1) Care/harm: This foundation is related to our long evolution as mammals with attachment systems and an ability to feel (and dislike) the pain of others. It underlies virtues of kindness, gentleness, and nurturance. 2) Fairness/cheating: This foundation is related to the evolutionary process of reciprocal altruism. It generates ideas of justice, rights, and autonomy. 3) Loyalty/betrayal: This foundation is related to our long history as tribal creatures able to form shifting coalitions. It underlies virtues of patriotism and self-sacrifice for the group. It is active anytime people feel that it's "one for all, and all for one." 4) Authority/subversion: This foundation was shaped by our long primate history of hierarchical social interactions. It underlies virtues of leadership and followership, including deference to legitimate authority and respect for traditions. 5) Sanctity/degradation: This foundation was shaped by the psychology of disgust and contamination. It underlies religious notions of striving to live in an elevated, less carnal, more noble way. It underlies the widespread idea that the body is a temple which can be desecrated by immoral activities and contaminants (an idea not unique to religious traditions).

[@feizon]

Interesting

[@hedgehog3180]

I see a few huge issues with this. One it frames everything in dualistic terms which is actually a very uniquely western cultural idea, it is not universal and we've just gotten so used to it that we don't even realize it's an idea, in Chinese culture for example usually the focus is instead on harmonies, the idea that instead of having things oppose each other everything exists as part of a whole and when everything is in balance relative to each other you have a harmonious state and this is good. So the whole idea of the foundation kinda inherently fails because it's based on a western idea. Two the last three points just have little basis in historical facts, power structures have certainly shifted but throughout history the thing people have always primarily been loyal to is their friends and family above all. Until the invention of nationalism it was only in the upper class that you saw any kind of identification with some kind of overarching group and it was also only really the upper class where you actually saw any kind of real betrayal where people completely jumped to the other side, otherwise in war peasants usually just deserted to go back to their home because those were the people they cared about and they really did not give a shit about some far away king or nation. That's also why most armies were made up of mercenaries because no one wanted to risk their lives unless they were getting payed very well, and most of the time they became mercenaries because they were on the run. There's not any evidence of a "long primate history of hierarchical social interactions" the earliest evidence is stuff like burials where someone might have gotten a lot of stuff in their burial but it's simply impossible to know whether they were given a lot of stuff because they were the chieftain or just because they were really well respected and liked. After all the people who we tend to care the most about dying nowadays are not those who held any kind of power but celebrities and those who were really selfless and helped others a lot. Not only that but if you go further back it completely breaks down, one of the closest relatives to humans is Bonobos and they basically have no strict hierarchies. The point here isn't that humans are naturally anti-hierarchical the point is that the evidence doesn't clearly point towards anything. Some human relatives were hierarchical, some weren't, and some archeological evidence might point towards hierarchy but a lot also doesn't and in general it's just hard to interpret stuff that's many thousands years old. The idea that the body is a temple is not very widespread, the idea that it is special is but that is not the same as it being a temple that must be kept clean. Buddhism for example would contend that the body is a complete illusion and whether or not it's clean is an unreal idea that keeps you attached to the world and prevents you from reaching nirvana. And the idea of living in some sort of morally pure way is also not at all universal, a lot of religions don't place any kind of importance on that and instead place importance on great skill in battle or hunting or being able to communicate with spirits. A lot of these things are just common in organized religions, but you can perhaps see why an organized religion might say that a specific way of living that's out of the reach of common people is somehow better and benefits the group as a whole, it's kinda needed for you to even have a priest class at all.

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I feel almost tempted to go get a job at a sperm bank...

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It would certainly takes the masturbatory element out of masturbation

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[@brazni]

Bold, but quite essential to make a video on how science relates to philosophy, ethics and other fields of humanities. This is a dimension that I've noticed is lacking in a lot of great educational channels. It fosters unnecessary division between people with different interests and just generally makes people miss out on how intimately and useful different ways of looking at the same thing can be. Thanks for making great videos.

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As a professional junk rubber, I have to say that your junk rubbing animation was spot on! :D

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[@ScienceAsylum]

Nailed it again, Jesse. Well done!

[@ScienceAsylum]

Favorite Line: "The phrase only makes sense if you know what Darwinian fitness is... and, if you know what that is, you're never going to use the phrase, because it makes no goddamn sense."

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How old is the earth? "Like real long"

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It's about 2000000000 years old or more

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“Long” isn’t an age, lol.

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[@EXHellfire]

"and replaced aaaall the DNA with his own"... jesus there goes my idea of donating sperm and not having to deal with children

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ik it's 4 years but, he didn't replace all of it, and you shouldn't expect it to be replaced

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THat has to be where they got the idea for patronuses/patronusi (??)

[@1MrShiny]

this gif goes great with the outro music.

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At first I thought that might have been a typo, but it seems you spelled it that way on porpoise.

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I sea you caught my drift

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Can you say, "Survival of the adequate?" You just have to be good enough to be alive at any given moment.

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Survival of the fit enough

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[@WheatleyOS]

I know something you could say that is "bad" but doesn't affect anyone or anything we know.. The death of the universe >an irrational fear

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WheatleyOS I know you're probably joking but I don't see anything inherently "bad" about the end of the universe.

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"If a is true, then a is true. Thus, a is true."

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If a is false, then a is false. Thus, a is false.

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Original quote was "Survival of the Most Adaptable to Change"

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Loved the hitting with the stick part.

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[@onixz100]

It's worth noting, though, that many professional philosophers (those doing philosophical research today in meta-ethics) think that moral truths are objective (i.e., their truth values do not vary according to our attitudes about them)-a view called "moral realism"-and that there are first-order normative ethical theories (e.g., Kantian deontology) that can generate particular "oughts" without reference to, or being conditional upon, particular desires or any other "empirical determining ground." Robust moral realists would dispute the claim that "goodness" and "badness" are moral properties that only subsist in minds. They would say that "goodness" and "badness" (and perhaps other moral properties) actually exist in the world just like any other objective properties do, perhaps because they are reducible to certain natural properties. There are a handful of theories that explain the "reduction relation" that obtains between moral properties and natural properties. (For example, analytic reductionism says that moral properties are identical to some natural properties; synthetic reductionism says that moral properties stand in some other relation to natural properties: e.g., that moral properties supervene on natural ones, etc.) There are a handful of theoretical virtues to these kinds of views, like how they explain our moral epistemology (i.e., how we come to know moral facts). Of course, there are also some cons. These pros and cons are what constitute the contemporary debate in metaethics among professional philosophers. That said, not all moral realists are robust realists. Yet, that doesn't threaten the objectivity of morality for them. And again, on the first-order level, it's a good exercise to think about how we can generate unconditional/categorical oughts (cf. Kantian deontology).

[@ThisPlaceChannel]

Ah. Stay tuned for "Part 2" This was a 30 minute video. All my "beta testers" agreed it was disorganized and confusing so I’ve been splitting it up. But the ideas you talk about were the inspiration for the video

[@stephenparker234]

Veritas most would argue that deontological arguments just like kantian ethics are flawed in the sense that making something a categorical imperative takes consequential reasoning (usually utilising emotion-good vs bad within the mind) and therefor even these arguments are not exempt from good vs bad thinking.

[@JimmyJthe4th]

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[@AuroCords]

I am definitely a robust moral realist, I think morality is inherent to intelligent life, and that it's real even beyond what we know as intelligent life.

[@beegum1]

I've seen many times, you just state a definition for term. Typically, they just say something like, "it's hard to argue that the killing of the rabbit isn't doing evil to the rabbit." What, then, is a reasonable way to assess our wants versus the needs of another? And this is where from you get derivatives of thought that expand the definitions of things like sentience to include all manner of animals, often without considering them in relation to our own sentience, but as an absolute. Thus, with regards to the first question, it does not seem that in our civilization the paucity of resources with any linkage to a developed world country has anything to do with abortion, indeed, one may obtain additional resources simply by placing the child for adoption. Thus, we are lead to a place where morality of abortion is nigh absolute in terms of doing evil to the child, and the validity of doing it for the civilization seems unlikely as well. Although some philosophers I've seen point out some remote cases, however, they do not center the need for abortion on these unlikely circumstances. I think this is what you're asking? Indeed, in most of the developed world the rights of the child are acknowledged after 12 weeks, or several weeks later, and the woman is then expected to take responsibility for it. One could argue they were more or less obligated to "take care of it" before that point. Although, it seems if one really wants a work around it is sometimes available. Nonetheless, in the design of the system, this is relevant. I suspect you're form the US, in the US the SCOTUS decided that the child's rights were undetermined and the woman was given the right to privacy. A very odd finding, lol, to make killing a human something the state cannot be concerned with, and I fairly certain it's an anomaly in law, not just US law, but abortion law internationally. That makes it trickier in the US to assert the rights of the child or the medical good of the abortion itself. Very late term abortions aren't safer for the female and seem to result in negative life outcomes for the woman as well. Indeed, from a statistical standpoint women are better if they give live birth, in general, and women with a deceased fetus recover more quickly if they give birth and grieve rather than have it ripped up, although, I believe, inducing labor is fine. The point is that the grieving process seems to work better if birth is given. SO, what you have even after abortions in many countries where they are legal is that the socialized medical system packages the abortion around these types of care which improve outcomes, often, these include what in the US is considered obstacle, but just health care, in the rest of the world. Certainly, that first baby takes a toll on the body, and there is some normally quite minor risk to health, in the developed world. Also, there is certainly a social aspect... regardless of the choice you make. I don't mean to be misconstrued, as is often done by pro-choice persons... Indeed, pro-life persons often do counseling in the US for post abortive women who seek such service, apparently much often than noted by PP, perhaps for plausible deniability reasons. It seems a bit serious, but perhaps it's amusing to note that religious beliefs are blamed for the pain caused to women by having their unborn child killed. Rather perverse thing. We see a similar behaviour in the media, wherein they do not like to discuss abortion to remind people of what is, lest they become devasted unnecessarily, especially because of widespread lies about a mass of cells or some such nonsense not present in the reality of looking it up online, perhaps the most notable reason, other than unity fighting among religions... it is quite easy to research abortion on line, and look at the product, which appears to be dead human beings, and, indeed it is. And this is why the decision of the SCOTUS using pragmatic reasoning to yield abortion to the feminists has not aged well.

[@mynamejake]

IM SO HAPPY YOU MADE ANOTHER VIDEO!!!!!!!

[@Gatzlocke]

Thanks for the video! I've had this opinion for a while and it's always hard to express through words.

[@maximusthedude8305]

"Time's, like, real long" One of the better quotes out there on the internet.

[@mikew6484]

Thank you for making such great thought provoking videos.

[@Ruby_V_]

your references made me happy. . . your everything makes me happy.

[@matthewb3864]

This is a fantastic idea that I have considered myself. The way that I think about it is by considering the philosophical question about mathematics 'are numbers a fundamental quality of the universe around us or are they a concept created by the human intellect to more easily understand the universe around us?' and then ask that same question about ethics. 'are good and evil fundamental qualities of the universe around us or are they a concept created by the human intellect to more easily understand the universe around us?'

[@michaelabdoofficial]

Dang. Gonna have to watch this one a few times

[@Fatortu]

So much food for the mind ! I'm going to think about that my whole week-end.

[@warpedreality7988]

Good video, keep it up Jesse.

[@frankytoad12]

"Frank has 2 peaches".. looking down at my peach cobbler I am genuinely disturbed...

[@Vealdebate]

Why are more people not this well thought out. Excellent video.

[@Praxiszooms]

Very interesting video. I - as a homosexual often get this viewpoint from other people that humans have to do something and that it is against ome kind of "natural order"...but I think - with making your point clear it is easier for them to accept, that it is their system of feeling or wanting something "creates" their "order" something ought to be. V€ry nice illustrations - very cute. Also the voice over again ;).

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One could call this A MODEST PROPOSAL...

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Feels like I'm watching jazz

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Thank You .....

[@d0tz_]

interesting how this video kinda links to the minute physics video that came out 2 hr prior about how models we use to look at the world isn't nesssarily reality

[@purpurwax9303]

8:22 "The is-ought distinction can draw attention to the idea that goodness and badness, and better and worse don't exist outside our minds" :D

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[@thejoojoo9999]

Very interesting. But what do you think about pragmatism based on nature ? By that I mean that one considers “moral” what is the likeliest to make the most people happy, and since we are in a large part programmed by nature and evolution to be happy for certain things, then we are accepting as moral (generally) what we are programmed to do ?

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"Time's like, real long"

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Outro-music taste is yes

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That sperm bank joke caught me off guard lmao

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I fucking knew that Nietzsche was involved in this video, love ya for it.

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Amazing episode as always

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Could you give me the source for the empathy study pls?

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[@patromo]

I find is that using a literal definition of fitness, is the most effective when discussing evolution. Eg. the quality of an object's relationship to other objects or surroundings. Ie. How well does this organism FIT into its surroundings, including environment and other organisms.

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"Survival of the good enough!"

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4:08 Thanks for an idea

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What is the outro music?

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6:41 Just a minor nitpick, but the chloride ion should be larger than the sodium ion because it has more repulsive forces between electrons, whereas the sodium ion has more attractive forces between the nucleus and electrons

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[@Felik18]

What are your thoughts on owners who feed their dogs only vegetarian food?

[@ThisPlaceChannel]

The fact that dogs have been eating meat forever can't tell us whether it is good or bad automatically, right? It's not good or bad because its natural. The important thing is the effect on the dog. Is it healthy/tasty? (I can't imagine it's either health nor tasty. But I don't know anything about it) But also your pet is likely the single greatest source of greenhouse gas emissions in your house, even compared to your car, because it's a carnivore. I think a medium sized dog contributes more to climate change than an SUV. Have to weigh the two issues.

[@Felik18]

This Place Wow thanks for responding to my comment! I just had an argument with my family member about that. Basically my stance was that unless that there's scientific evidence that lack of meat makes your dog become unhealthy (like apparently it does that for cats) there's no reason to believe it's wrong. And his arguments were either 1. Well it's natural for the dog to eat meat so it's wrong to feed the dog only vegetables. or (and it's my favorite one) 2. The dog can't make cautious decision to only eat food so it's cruelty (as if dog being an animal driven mostly by instincts can make any cautious decision at all and if it could it certainly wouldn't choose to spend most of it's time in captivity or being neutered or deprived of sexual interactions at will)

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

Actually, dogs are no more driven by instinct than humans are. They can and do choose to side with the humans who mutilate their genitals. They overlook such minor things in light of much more important factors that add up to determine how pleasurable their life is overall. We even have an advantage here because we usually have them neutered before they get the chance to find out how great sex is, and the best thing they ever know is companionship with us, so they don't want to get rid of that. Just the same, most dogs who have had sex are still much more loyal to their owners than they are to potential mates. Part of that is probably that we humans hold ultimate control over their ability to mate, so appeasing us is really the best way for them to have their genes passed on.

[@Felik18]

TheReaverOfDarkness I wouldn't be so sure about that. By saying "they can't make a cautious decision" I mean that they don't have the brain capacity to see the bigger picture. They don't simply choose to overlook neutering. They don't even understand that we, the owner, made the decision to remove those genitals for our convenience. This concept is simply too complex for them. Also even if the owner is really shitty, beats the dog and feeds poorly they still chose to stay with him cause that's simply how dogs evolved aka they do that cause they are driven by instinct.

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

Felik18 They do have the brain capacity to understand these things. They are unaware of these things because nobody is explaining these things to them. We humans aren't more intelligent than dogs, we are wiser only because our communication skills enable us to share information with each other that we wouldn't have discovered on our own. Dogs being willing to stay with owners who beat them are no different from humans who choose to stay with parents who beat them. One of the best ways to change their mind is to show them that there is a better world out beyond their abusive guardian. Before they know about it, most believe the unknown world to be even scarier and more dangerous than the abusive home.

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"Because it makes no god damn sense" and "and replaced all the DNA with his own." More great lines from yet another great This Place on yet another difficult subject.

[@ashleydah27]

how the hell do you not have over a million subscribers! that's unfair

[@Theo_Caro]

I love your path of argument in this, steadily making stronger and stronger claims. First you reject Social Darwinism. Second you reject Moral Naturalism. And then third, you reject moral realism, and finally settle into a sort of Moral Subjectivism. I just found your channel, and I'm really loving what I see. Keep up the great work!