The Switch 2 Might Have a Problem...

[@laserwolf65]

Developers and publishers need to relearn compression techniques. These bloated game sizes are bad, and they should be forced to address it.

[@Jonassoe]

Most of the "bloat" is high-res textures and high-quality audio. You can easily compress 100 GB games down to a Switch cartridge, it's just going to look and sound somewhat worse.

[@laserwolf65]

@Jonassoe Absolutely not true. These 100-200 gb games are loaded to the brim with inefficient code, redundant files, unused textures, etc. They don't clean this bloat up because they don't respect the players' storage.

[@Nosidda]

@@laserwolf65 Very true. Game sizes are getting out of control, and developers and publishers need to be forced into addressing the issue that they clearly don't care about addressing. If Nintendo is able to make a game as huge as Tears of the Kingdom only 18gb in size, or Super Mario Odyssey only 5gb in size, then I fail to see why third parties can't learn to compress their games properly when most of the reason why we need so much storage now is because games are overloaded with so much junk code and assets. There is absolutely no reason for Black Ops 6 to be over 200gb.

[@tony_0088]

With all due respect, your opinion sucks. If a developer sees potential in the switch platform, they'll develop for it and create the game all digital or partially digital if they want to. You dont need to completely remove the physical slot for that. The more options for the consumet, the better.

[@ZestyAsTech]

No I absolutely agree. I by no means would want them to remove the physical slot.

[@tony_0088]

@ZestyAsTech then I didn't understsnd you correctly. My bad, sorry.

[@XgamerdaveX]

@@tony_0088he’ll let you off. This once. With a warning.

[@tinahalder8416]

@tony_0088 , every youtuber now has to make a Negetive Review video for Switch, so they can make controversy and get views

[@dxublexxsplicitxxsplicit4943]

​@@tinahalder8416he has a valid point considering the switch 2 will only be about as strong as an xbox 360

[@LeoStaley]

I actually think this is great news. The biggest problem with the ps5 is that even with a terabyte of storage, you can only have like 8 AAA games installed because they're so damn bloated. Forcing devs to compactify or pay the price of a higher costing cartridge is a great plan.

[@ZestyAsTech]

That’s a good way to look at it

[@MimproOnline]

I think thatphysical versions of large games that weigh 50 GB, 100 GB or more should only be released in collector's editions, as Limited Run Games does. So the value of the bundle in the eyes of buyers will increase, and it will be easier to justify the high price. People who don't see the point in buying a dust box in the modern world won't buy one anyway. And here it makes no sense to save on them by releasing a small cartridge with an incomplete game.

[@wysera1999]

"if you have to download half the game it starts to feel like you purchased a license key on a tiny piece of plastic" yes, but I'd like to add that the same apply to any game that require a day1 patch to be playable. which is a thing that happen too often with big title now days.

[@QuantumChrist]

Base on Nintendo (REAL) Patent, They patent a dlss type upscaler that can upscale 540p to 720/1080p and 1080p to 4k the sole main purpose is because of their next patent about decompression that can cut almost half of file size but the graphics is still at target res. remember Horizon adventure in ps5 is 15 gb and switch version is 6 gb.... that dlss like upscaler and decompression will help 1st and 3rd party game devs alot.

[@theoneeyedfool]

This! Also it’s my understanding that the Nvidia Tegra T239 leaked to be in the Switch 2 has a dedicated file decompression block that will likely also tie into Nintendo’s upscaling tech, so that should help too.

[@theparkbopper]

32gb is enough. 480p native with dlss to 1080p is perfect for portable play. No switch games will need 4K native textures. Honestly if a 100gb game can be compressing into a 32gb cart with large downloads for docked play that would be better. I want more 60fps experiences anyway. If it has to run at 1080p and 1440p that’s fine. I am more concerned about cpu than cart size. It seems to be about 10percent faster in single core thru put relative to ps4 but much faster multicore. Based on a78 figures in geekbench. I want bayonetta 3 at 60fp locked in portable and upscaled in docked at 60fps. I think if they can push the hardware correctly we should get series s experiences in docked play in 3rd party titles. With some great dlss improvements.

[@Starcat128]

You do know the WiiU use a modified Blu-ray disc format, and the Wii used a modified DVD format because the other companies wanted to charge too much money to use the correct discs

[@theoneeyedfool]

Three things: 1) If TotK is anything to go by, major releases for the Switch 2 will likely be $70, and that may well be to compensate for cartridge cost. 2) DS carts store 8-512MB, while the PSP discs store 900MB-1.8GB. 3DS/PSVita games are around the same size, with 3DS having more variability at 1-8GB while the Vita seems to be around 3-4 or so. Devs didn’t seem to care about the differences on either platform because Nintendo has been consistently the more successful company in the handheld space. I don’t see that changing. 3) 64GB cards are no longer good value, because you’re still paying for the raw materials, the programming for OS/device recognition, etc. You can get 128GB cards of the same class for almost no extra money because of this.

[@ZestyAsTech]

Good points. While I hate to see the price jump, $70 price tags will definitely help offset the cost.

[@marverickbin]

My take: The assets will be largely cut down its details. You know, compression can be very effective if you throw away details. But it will be recovered: DLSS4. Each game will have a DLSS model trained with pairs of the 16gb version of the frames of the game and the 150gb high definition assets frames. The model will learn not only super resolution, but also the high quality assets. So, the detais will not be stored in game instalation files, but in the weitghs of the AI model.

[@theoneeyedfool]

I don’t think the Ampere-based chip leaked to be in Switch 2 will support DLSS 4. Certainly 2, and there’s talk that the tensor cores might be Lovelace so maybe we’ll get 3. Still a definite win though, especially since Nintendo has a patent on basically their own dynamically-scaling version of it that, if all their previous optimization strategies are anything to go by, should be great.

[@billballmar6003]

Digital only lack ownership and Physical is ownership. As said games get bigger and if your download them the storage has to be big enough to hold the games as well.

[@BornSuperSaiyan]

I’m not worried about such cartridges after all if you can fit a one terabyte storage into a microSD card there’s no excuse on why something six times bigger than it can’t fit more than one terabyte

[@hggfhh4449]

We will find out about the switch 2 games storage capacity soon enough.

[@MrSledgey24]

Unlike discs, you can make a cartirage any size you want. Back in the 90s, yes cartriges sucked because they held back the nintendo 64's superior hardware. Now, cartriges can be any size the manufacturer wants, just think micro SD cards. Additionally, they have far greater read speeds than disks. The tradeoff is that it gets really expensive if you have more than 64 gigs, if nintendo wants the games to be playable of the cartirage, some tradeoffs will have to be made because of the media's high price.

[@Aidan_372]

i have an idea, put games on microSD cards

[@ZestyAsTech]

Nintendo would never

[@fishstickrepairs1834]

This would be a very bad idea, at the rate at which sd cards degrade, and they would pose durability issues

[@BerserkerMomon]

⁠@@fishstickrepairs1834SD Cards degrade due to the process it takes to write to an SD card. The read operations do not involve moving electrons forcefully across the cell and uses much lower voltage than write operations. Therefore reading an SD Card is practically infinite. If Nintendo were to use SD cards to replace game cartridges, it would probably be write locked and only allow reading from the card. So I highly doubt durability would become an issue.

[@Starcat128]

What they gonna hate physical media, it should be illegal to force us to use digital only

[@d-jams]

Honestly, I prefer the cartridge format it is the only physical way to play games nowadays. Yeah, there are discs, but there are pretty much most games on Xbox Series consoles and PS5. You have to download the game from the disc to play it. So it's a download no matter what. So, from a physical media standpoint, discs are what are outdated.

[@ZestyAsTech]

That’s a good point, although I’d rather have the whole game transfer from my own disk to my console’s SSD than be reliant on servers that won’t be online forever.

[@goomy6502]

Even a tiny sd card can hold up to 2tb. 200gb cartridges will be no problem

[@jaretalbaugh7034]

You overlooked one major thing Nintendo started building the switch 2 by working with their video game partners to make sure it had what they wanted out of the system.

[@rodrigoferreiramaciel4815]

So did literally every video game maker company ever

[@Saroku1000]

@@rodrigoferreiramaciel4815 Whats your point?

[@viciousviolet3783]

Yes, the Nintendo Switch 2 will support original Switch cartridges. Nintendo confirmed that the Switch 2 is fully backward-compatible with Switch games, including physical games. At no point does it say the Switch 2 will have dedicated switch 2 cards so I'm wondering if all switch 2 games may be digital. No the system won't be fully digital as it will take switch 1 game cards.

[@ZestyAsTech]

Definitely possible

[@tb4u646]

Not only the size as you mention, but also the speed is of importance. The internal storage of the Switch 2 has been leaked to be in the hundreds of megabytes per seconds. Can a cartridge that costs 20$ or so to manufacture match that?

[@theoneeyedfool]

Probably not, but Switch 2 has 3x the RAM at almost 5x the speed/bandwidth of Switch 1. Depending on Nintendo’s optimization/compression strategy(ies), they may be able to store large portions of games at a time there while you’re playing.

[@genomind]

I am already wondering for years why they dont just use sd card tech and just slap a big plastic shell around it so it has the "feel" of a game cartridge. My cameras sd card can hold 500gb and it is technically an even smaller micro sd card in an adapter and is very fast, why wouldnt this also work for game consoles?

[@ZestyAsTech]

It’s at least partially because they’re terrified of piracy

[@savage751]

Yeah Nintendo has always used their own developed technology with cartridges and disc...even with the Wii they looked like dvd's but they were actually Nintendo designed disc

[@XperimentorEES]

I used to think nintendo was being lazy for lagging so far behind on their console specs for decades, but now I think it'd deliberate to push everyone into their eshop. Why? So more players are exposed to their fomo tactics like what they did with SMB35 and 3D All-Stars, as such unethically manipulative practices aren't illegal. But also it gives them the freedom to promote their own products instead of any/all 3rd party games, just like how google & microsoft have been controlling ad spaces. I agree about video game preservation being a growing concern, but as antagonistic as nintendo's always been, it's better off in the hands of people who can't be bought.

[@Ikari-5an]

Just make the cartridges with more advanced lithography. No Brainer! Also it would be idiotic to put a full size Blu Ray into this.

[@larrytaylor2692]

Yes the carts are way too small but at the same time switch games will never take as much space as ps5 and Xbox games because their textures and sound quality are all lower and more compressed

[@SeddyAm]

Halo mcc could work on switch but since the game file sizes are bloated they're lazy and don't even bother learning compression. And the memes about western games being 100gb will still go on

[@kaltman]

Do you think we will get a lite version of the switch 2?

[@savage751]

Probably but depends on sales. Probably won't see it until 2-3 years in

[@Aurun30]

I don't believe this going to be much of an issue for the switch 2. In 2017 microSD were insanely expensive. Nowadays it easy to see 1tb one go on sale for the price of a triple game. There is also 150 million switches out there. Developers will do what they need to get their games on switch

[@monkeytails1437]

I’m gonna be honest with you, discs just kind of suck. The only games that I own from when I was a child that are In near perfect working condition are my Nintendo cartridges. I love the switch carts. I think the odds are that the switch 2 will be so successful that 3rd party devs will simply go through the extra effort. As long as Nintendo upgrades the carts, it will probably be okay. Additionally, does Nintendo really need 3rd party games? I would argue they probably don’t. 1st party Switch games have sold more than ever. I doubt this is changing anytime soon. I personally expect physical media to make a comeback in the next decade, since digital media is really bordering on a scam.

[@ericwheelhouse4371]

If they want to take up +100gb then they can eat the cost to have it on the switch.

[@BMW-sd6nn]

The max size of the current switch is 32 gigs. Definitely think at this point they are at least at 64 gigs. Devs just need to learn how to compress these bloated horrible unreal 5 games.

[@TheDunbartxeen]

actually we don't know what the theoretically Maximum of the tech in Switch is. As most Games uses only 16 Gig Cartidges i assume they don't need more. Don't see the problem fir Switch 2 the tech is here

[@LG555]

​@@TheDunbartxeenthere is one Nintendo game, that needed to use a 32 GB cartridge by now, and it is TotK.

[@mozydiaz8296]

I think the next pretendo console will only read digital games.

[@omegawii]

Come on man... you can use the same slot to accept multiple cartridge formats... haven't you ever seen UFC2 SD cards?

[@leonidasking7502]

Dude, 2TB micro sd cards exist. Not an issue.

[@yao.aboagye]

Lol you’re talking about the switch cartridges as if you couldn’t fit a terabyte into an sd card, clearly they’ve made enhancements in 7 years

[@ZestyAsTech]

Absolutely. There are microSD cards coming out that can hold 2tb now. The technology has evolved, but the question is will it be affordable. If we’re talking consumer prices for standard flash storage, it will probably take up a sizable percentage of a standard $60 game price. Because it’s a company manufacturing in bulk, it will bring the price down, but because they will be a proprietary design made by Nintendo, that will move the price back up. At this point it’s all just guesses

[@s.gilbertdyer8683]

With the push of getting rid of Blu-ray dics, Switch cartridges might be the only way.

[@ChloeCake]

I really doubt this is gonna be a problem, realistically how many games (that are actually good) are gonna take more than 128 gigs? I can get a 128 gigs SD card for like 5 dollars, it's not gonna be that bad in a market where every other game costs from 60 to 200 dollars for *some* reason, they can also just make cartridges of different sizes, like a 4 gig cartridge for most indie games, 8 gigs, 16 gigs, and so on and so forth, like pen drives. I also say this as someone who wants to emulate everything Nintendo on a Steam Deck and basically only wants a Switch for Splatoon but still.

[@ZestyAsTech]

It really depends on how Nintendo ends up engineering their proprietary media. Trying to guess how much they currently cost is just speculation, but I assume that if a lot of games have required download components on the current generation, then it will be even worse on next gen games.

[@Starcat128]

Don’t cheap out get the right size cartridge nand and put it on the cartridge

[@billballmar6003]

Cart is like m2 drives faster access. And if they use 3d nand that hold more and has faster access speed. This story is so bias and discount that tech changes and don't use floppy disk media.

[@mrxmgs3768]

I am at least happy to see that the new console still has physical media at all, Microsoft and Sony are heading on the other direction and that concerns me since I am not a fan of the "everything digital" future that we're heading into. I even buy my music in physical format when possible!

[@ZestyAsTech]

I’m definitely not a fan of where we’re headed. At least still having a disk drive or a card slot gives the consumer more options. Even if I had to pay more for a physical edition of a game (as long as the full game is on the card/disk) it would be worth it

[@SnapshotTube2]

Bruh.. they make 2 TB microsd cards. They will manage.

[@koenduizer8464]

What do you mean????? There are 1tb Microsd's

[@matthewIhorn]

No......the games will be massively small because it wont have 4k textures.

[@alessandropania1803]

I buy physically everything I can, eve because I buy retail cards for hella cheap!

[@Cucomartinez]

You are not a nintendo fan, i have a switch and a am happy with it. So a new console brings me excitment and i going to buy it.

[@Starcat128]

no digital only

[@AndreaDolcini]

The same problem Is on ps5 and Xbox bluray Is a Key not a game

[@ds_nuk3r]

El punto fuerte de play station era la piratería 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@septua]

I dont buy shitty, oberbloated, DEI made "games" anyway.

[@PongbyAtari]

For the most part I buy Nintendo systems for 1st party and Indie games so I am not worried about it. For the Switch 2 to be digital only is ridiculous idea to many Switch owners have way to many physical Switch games and are relying on backwords compatibility in order to move over to S2.

[@a.v.e.r.y._.]

I believe most people in the comments haven't seen the video lol. Nice to see someone arguing while not shitting on it just to make clout. Good video!

[@ZestyAsTech]

Thank you!

[@luiss.3960]

Not a real problem mate, in PS5 the Ultra-HD Blu-ray which holds 100GiBs, and as you said yourself, RDR2 (a PS4 game from 2018) has more than 150GiBs. You need to install the remaining content, and the day-ones updates, that become standard practice in the modern games.

[@Saroku1000]

Pretty big flaw in your analysis. Same card format/technology does not equal same card capazity. There is no need for a different card format or technology in order to get a bigger capazity. Technology evolves and gets more capacity over time. That speculation that the switch 2 game cards will only have 16gb-32gb because the switch 1 cards where that sizes makes as much sense as speculating in 2016 that the switch 1 will only have 4gb game cards because the 3DS game cards where that size. Or that 3DS games will only have 128megabyte because the first DS had only 128gb cartidges. There is a reason why its called switch 2 - its a new generation. Old sizes and restrictions of the switch 1 are not relevant for the switch 2. If you think using the same type of technology is equal to no progress, you are very wrong. SD cards use the same technology for over 20 years. Hard drives use the same technology since they where created. But they grew 1000x of times in capacity over the years because technology evolves.

[@wwijsman]

I don't see the problem. Nintendo offers bigger cardridges too. You do realise that you can buy 2 tb micro sd cards, right? That means Nintendo could offer that

[@dk4kja8]

North Korea. They their citizens haven't seen it. :D

[@Whatisright]

Most games like smartphones have a lot of bloat, especially in the multiplayer. For shooters the best example of doing it right was Halo and BF2 Modern Combat, just pick a weapon or class and go. Now games are mostly about trinket gathering. That’s why Nintendo is the OG, they do fun right. Any system , you’ll have a good time.

[@savage751]

Your not wrong but for the love of god they need to upgrade/update their online infrastructure

[@Whatisright]

@ I think a better idea would be for MS to bow out of the hardware side and stick to games. With that they split costs of production with Nintendo on the console and help with specs and online in exchange for a built in MS E-Shop on a hybrid console they make together. They get a piece of the hardware dollars but they have their own dedicated shop built into the system. I think that’s better given Microsoft isn’t really doing exclusives anymore or they hope to move away from them.

[@Gintokikreuz1]

0:42 yeah it would run on a similar cartridge. Same thing happened with DS, DSi, and 3DS. What's ur point? 🤔 Cuz i don't see the problem.

[@simula152]

Titanfall 2 mentioned, had to click

[@ZestyAsTech]

Easily my favorite shooter, one of my favorite games

[@tinahalder8416]

Size is a problem? Make the Game download the majority of the part ( like all the CoD game does)

[@ZestyAsTech]

If most of it needs to be downloaded, what’s the advantage of owning a physical copy?

[@LuisXGP]

There is no need to freight about it. The game just needs to be copied to the nvme of the switch2

[@Megal0squatch]

The switch has been my least used console I've ever owned. I don't understand the hype for the same console with barely any noticeable upgrades, just buy a steam deck.

[@mcfly2858]

The worst Handheld out there? Great Idea😂👍🏻

[@XgamerdaveX]

They could just simply change more for games on the biggest carts. Like $80/£80 for a game on a 100GB cart.

[@ZestyAsTech]

I would be willing to pay more for a physical copy, but I feel like they would end up charging the same amount for the digital version in order to keep the pricing consistent. They already could be offering discounts for digital versions, but at least at launch they always keep them the same

[@TheXikoWen]

podriiiiiia, PODRIIIIIIAA....

[@jskiillzent.9985]

I'm sure it will be a more capable memory cartridge for the switch 2 new games