The Taliban, explained

[@Vox]

In August 2021, America ended its longest war. And it lost. What was the US military actually doing in Afghanistan for 20 years? You can watch our video from earlier this year here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKTYln2libukrtk

[@heyitscordero4205]

Opium, oil, need I say more?

[@anasbahati]

Congratulations CIA and FBI for your new loyal dogs.

[@aryanbhushan2118]

China doesn't have a part of Kashmir, correct the mistake

[@PaxAmericana76]

@@heyitscordero4205 nope, because it had nothing to do with oil or opium.

[@bandappagola6146]

How manipulative this video, no mention of US creating mujahideen & supporting Taliban & in map then mention support from India, VOX is just hippocratic & manipulative news channel funded by CIA & FBI

[@ShortHax]

The US spent 20 years in Afghanistan just to update the Taliban’s English

[@арефнар]

If not upstart.

[@BibhatsuKuiri]

spend more time reading less on youtube.

[@DPowered2]

and it was very profitable. Not for the country but for a few people.

[@geopoliticsnerd213]

@Human Rights don't blame them, trump started it and by the time joe administration came it was already decided

[@thomascortes968]

Are those Subtitles? You can't understand me? After all I studied at the American University in Cairo!

[@intifadayuri]

Afghanistan war was a great way to transfer literally trillions of dolars from tax money to the private hands of the war industry

[@alfrredd]

And tribal war lords.

[@adinnaikhwani6255]

@@alfrredd nah, tribal war lords didn't get those money

[@santanasage00]

@@alfrredd they gave me chump change

[@alfrredd]

@@adinnaikhwani6255 The mujahadeen didn't get a single dime from the US?

[@belluh-1huey102]

the war industry lost cash, Lockheed lost stock value during the surge and so did many other companies.

[@BilalHussain-yd6ck]

3:09 “Even the U.S. sent weapons…” makes it sound like U.S. was just an involuntary unimportant player.

[@jaisonjoy1387]

It's vox, what do you expect. They are downplaying the role of the US

[@adityadosi258]

The US just didn't sent arms, They created Taliban!

[@SilentTraveller21]

@@adityadosi258 no entirely accurate, America created the mujahudeen, some of who founded the Taliban with Pakistan's help

[@adityadosi258]

@@SilentTraveller21 so US is not the father but the grandfather of Taliban. Okay got it, thanks 😁

[@dan5974]

Typical American media. "Oh we just throw a few billion dollars to the cause, nothing special"

[@XiaoJustinian]

US: Criticises USSR for spreading 'freedom' by force. Also US: Spreads 'freedom' by force.

[@itorolyons4142]

USSR: spreads freedom and communism USA: spreads freedom and democracy There's a difference

[@XiaoJustinian]

@@itorolyons4142 As if democracy is necessary to a nation. The USSR was arguably much more developed at some technical aspects during the Cold War than the US, and China's power has multiplied in 40 years. All without democracy.

[@Unknown-zt1ru]

@@XiaoJustinian ussr was literally heading to a collapse cause their economy couldnt sustain itself

[@Ahmed-dj8jq]

"drone strikes and night raids increasingly killed innocent civilians, and the mujahideen leaders started terrorizing people, effectively becoming warlords" Got it chief, it's not terrorism when you're American

[@worldpeac3]

American here, I agree with the general consensus that America should be held responsible for our governments actions- contrary to many Americans beliefs since so many think we are superior (I know, it cringes me too). Although it will effect the civilians (inflation), if International Law is to be respected and upheld to ALL countries (like the US) then maybe other countries will think it's just. Please excuse all the parentheses lol, but just explaining to say some Americans are woke to our countries atrocities and also believe we should be held responsible. Maybe then our government would stop being so unhinged, it's shameful to be associated with for many civilians.

[@flopus7]

Its not? Collateral damage happens, targeting civilian population to scare them into submission is terrorism. Its really easy to understand

[@drugoviic]

911@@worldpeac3

[@chlorophyll6154]

Even if they don't want to educate women that's their problem, why did the US want to paint them as evil so that they can get the world to cry and sympathetic with their agenda Even US is a devil, a men in USA is subject to sent to war without his will, this seen during Vietnam and the world says because there are men it'll okay

[@factcehck202-xg5cc]

Americans are peace keepers , because of america attacks the world is free of terrorism

[@rfui7675]

"even the americans sent weapons" i love the use of "even" here! Implying the americans rarely do It...

[@jebbo-c1l]

more of a general rule than an exception lol

[@FHDOnTheStreet]

Properganda at it’s finest

[@jaisonjoy1387]

True, they really downplayed the role of the US in destabilising afghanistan by training and providing weapons for the mujahideen groups. This happened even before the soviet invasion

[@idlejuggle6759]

Lol

[@stefan4159]

@@jaisonjoy1387 It was the Soviets who destabilized Afghanistan. The US responded to the destabilization.

[@dhruv6373]

The real winners of this war: Raytheon, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, Boeing, Lockheed Martin & ofcourse the Toyota 😁..

[@арефнар]

Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.

[@dragon888193ftw]

Pretty sure the winners were the Taliban.

[@MrKfleong]

@@dragon888193ftw woosh

[@subodhpotdar2375]

The ART of war.

[@AD-ui6sk]

@@dragon888193ftw lol you don’t know about military contracts that pay millions and billions to companies, for all that time 😂

[@shiv6680]

Please include the role of USA in the fall of the Afganistan governement in the 1980s and foundation of the Taliban. The USA and Soviet rivalry was the main reason behind the fall of Afganistan into chaos.

[@PaxAmericana76]

The rivalry explains why the US was involved, the chaos was the result of Pakistani ISI picking favorites after the Soviet occupation.

[@shiv6680]

Yes but the video doesn't throw light on the fact that the opposition forces in Afghanistan were backed by the USA through the Pakistani ISI to oppose the Soviet backed government and the USSR forces. A faction of which later broke to form the Al Quaida. Hence a progeny of USA and USSR rivalry.

[@rekaviles]

I'm guessing they only wanted to only focus on the Taliban timeline.

[@prabhatsourya3883]

@@shiv6680 I believe that the support of the US agencies was off the record and unofficial. So Vox avoided explicitly stating it, to prevent legal issues with the CIA

[@prabhatsourya3883]

@@rekaviles It's a possibility. Going through all the details might make this video an hour long

[@greatexpectations1461]

Taliban spokesman: 'First of all let me thank our most magnanimous benefactor.. American taxpayers..'

[@psuyog]

& our ideological trainers - Haqqani network & military trainers - isi Pakistan.

[@ordenax]

I love how conveniently they neglect or barely mention the part, where it was the Americans who supported the Mujahideen's and the Taliban's growth when it was convenient for them to do so.

[@krasnayansigure8038]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought the Americans supported the Mujahideen because they wanted them to defend against the Soviets since America and the ussr were having a cold war and we’re having proxy wars all over the world. I think in that case, it was reasonable for the Americans to support the Mujahideen. All I want to know is, was it the Americans that made the mujahideen fight against each other and start a civil war?

[@NazriB]

Lies again? I'm Batman

[@hashim.4]

@@krasnayansigure8038 no my granddad had a big role in the mujahedin of that time as i know from him the people started the war because they didn’t want the talibans neither the soviet to take over the country and make it worse thats why they faught for the country in that tiny province and the us saw the opportunity that if they support the mujahedin they can get the soviet out of Afghanistan and bring their thing they call democracy and it happened.

[@MrCine4d]

@@hashim.4 that’s exactly what the video suppose. The US sent support to the mujahedin because they wanted to suppress the expansion of socialism and the ussr. I doubted caritcaturing as the USA went to afghan to take over afghan, make afghan the 51 state of the USA and steal all their ressources as relevant. In the time of Cold War, countries were either friend with USSR making them financial and political allies , or friend with the west and become their economical and political allies. At the end, no one in here is assuming the US helped the Taliban because they thought that’s what most afghan wanted.

[@nizloc4118]

@@krasnayansigure8038 to answer your question of "did the US make the muj fight each other and start a civil war" No. It essentially was just a massive power vacuum when the Soviet War ended. Afghanistan is a country in name only. It's a set of borders, and inside are various different peoples from different tribes, essentially. Many of them rivals. When the war ended, the new one began, because everyone wanted to be in charge. And everyone was armed and war tested

[@IvanAbreubr]

"Even the US sent weapons" is an euphemism.

[@nullumamare8660]

Not much to expect from a US-based private media group. They can't speak about imperialism... It just doesn't cross their minds that they are the disease of the world.

[@RockyMay]

@@nullumamare8660 well spoken

[@freakylier911]

@@nullumamare8660 ....have you seen their other videos? they literally made one about the U.S. messing up things in Afghanistan.

[@TheSundayShooter]

The people who effectively armed the Taliban and Cartels want you disarmed. Do not comply

[@abdurrazaak]

...also to ISIS for killing Muslims and blaming Muslims also.

[@GhostCZ007]

I like how they casually brush over the US support for the Mujahideen, and its aftermath. "Even the US sent weapons to drain the Soviets.". Makes it sound so insignificant. Makes me wonder where they got those Stingers from, for example.

[@PaxAmericana76]

The video is a brief surface level over view. The video is clearly not intended to get into the weeds.

[@sudarshan3965]

They have talked about it in other videos. This time they had to make a summary. It's obvious many details will get eliminated.

[@Bluebird_Obs]

????? I think they did mention it, though? 9:37 Even so, as @Talon Herbison said, this is a surface-level/ summary video meant to get conversations going, not fully explain such a nuanced situation

[@IgorMgtowandVideoGames]

The us sent aid and weapons to Pakistan then Pakistan gave the aid and money to the mujahedeen

[@PaxAmericana76]

@@IgorMgtowandVideoGames current. Specially the Pakistani ISI gave the aid almost exclusively to the religious leaning fighters. The US protested this but couldn’t really stop it. No aid went to any foreign fighters.

[@allank8497]

"Even the US sent weapons to drain the Soviets..." Whoever wrote the word "even" in the script, must have absolutely zero knowledge of the history of us foreign policy, lol

[@salokin3087]

The US was a significant player, but not the largest. Mujaheddin fighters weren't carrying around American made small arms, but more specialized gear like portable missiles

[@allank8497]

@@salokin3087 so?

[@legokingtm9462]

@@salokin3087 stingers > ak47

[@jacopofolin6400]

@@allank8497 so the American were One of the supporter, most of the support was of Arab country, america mostly gave High level weapons

[@jacopofolin6400]

@@legokingtm9462 depend on how many

[@jessicablessing1527]

Imagine if the British and French never occupied and the Soviets never invaded Afghanistan.

[@CBbyamar]

1970's Afghanistan among with many Islamic nations were growing but it all seemed to dangerous for countries like USA and Saudi Arabia.. Who did all this on purpose for economical and regional strength,

[@kalajari1749]

And if the Americans never invaded And the french and british never occupied

[@ELGrandosmokio-qj2dr]

​@@kalajari1749live cold be dream

[@Maniagio]

Then they would probably now be living their life simply and with their traditions I never understand why the west always wants to get involved its tiring

[@littlesometin]

Yeah, that was centuries ago now. That's as productive as saying imagine if we never lived on planet Earth. 😂

[@MohamedArchived]

"Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Falsehood is bound to vanish." - [Surah Bani Isra'il ] Best of luck Mujahidin..

[@nakenmil]

One thing the video didn't mention specifically, is that it wasn't only the Taliban that taxed the poppy/opium production. It was also done by the warlords the US were allied with. The US allowed its allies to produce narcotica, basically.

[@PaxAmericana76]

Factually no; the US avoided actively destroying the opium fields and instead left the destruction up to the British and Afghan Armies.

[@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477]

I mean Opium and every other medicine is addictive only one is natural and the others are synthetic

[@jcshy]

@@PaxAmericana76 so what you’re saying is that OP is factually right.

[@PaxAmericana76]

@@jcshy false; no one allowed anyone to grow opium. The US opposed opium production. The US realized it was better to allow the Afghan government to Holden the destruction of opium crops as that was not in the US’s lane.

[@jcshy]

@@PaxAmericana76 it literally makes up a majority of the country’s economy, there’s even videos saying the Taliban turn a blind eye to it in return for tax on money made. I’m sure allies will have mostly turned a blind eye to it too

[@akkronym48]

Really really really critical details omitted in this explainer: The Taliban offered to surrender Osama Bin Laden after 9/11 and the Bush Administration declined A significant portion of aid and investment sent to Afghanistan was wasted or pocketed by corrupt or incompetent US contractors - it wasn't just corruption on behalf of the Afghan government.

[@jcshy]

They offered to surrender him to a country without a relationship with the US and only if concrete evidence was provided - not quite the same, is it? Not like they could be trusted in the first place. They made a non-negotiable offer and it was rejected, they weren’t in the position to make demands

[@akkronym48]

@@jcshy when we're talking about how to evaluate the legacy of a 20 year war that cost more than $2 trillion and resulted in more than 2400 US service member deaths, more than 46000 civilian deaths, and displaced more than 2 million people and then ultimately resulted in the same group who had power before the war taking over after we left - *why* the Taliban's offer to surrender Osama Bin Laden was unacceptable to the Bush Administration is (at best) as equally important as acknowledging that the offer was made and declined and this was the outcome of the path chosen instead. Failing to acknowledge that this offer was made - especially if you're going to say that the US demanded it of them prior to 9/11 and then omit this detail from the aftermath - paints the Taliban as having forced the US's hand and insisting on this protracted conflict; a narrative that is a pretty egregious oversimplification to accept from a "Taliban Explained" video. It retroactively accepts the narrative that this extremely costly (in every sense of the word) war was the only option even though it didn't result in its stated goal. You can argue that it was the best option if you want. Or you can just describe the options that were available and which options were selected, but to omit the detail that an alternative was proposed by the group whose history and intentions you are attempting to explain - whether intentionally or out of ignorance - is to fail to accurately characterize perhaps the most important moment in this group's recent history in a video that's supposed to be explaining them to an uninformed audience. By all means - mention the offer AND why the Bush Administration declined it, but don't show a quote saying "The ruling Taliban's refusal to surrender suspected terrorist bin Laden" and then skip to "After the 9/11 attacks, a US-led coalition invaded Afghanistan to hunt down bin Laden and topple the Taliban" without any mention of their offer to avert/end the war in its infancy which would have resulted in an outcome substantially smaller human toll and a substantially smaller price tag and left the same people in charge of the country that currently rule it.

[@jcshy]

@@akkronym48 the biggest issue I think the US had was the fact the Taliban created a safe haven for terrorists to train and then launch attacks around the world. Bin Laden just became leverage to get involved in Afghanistan. I could be wrong but I 100% believe that if the Taliban had handed over any wanted terrorists that were hiding in Afghanistan and shut down the network of training camps throughout the country then the US wouldn’t have ended up getting involved. Taliban have always been about creating an Islamic Emirate in Afghanistan, nothing more and nothing less so as much as their backwards views of the world are concerning, they wouldn’t have actually been a threat if they’d distanced themselves from terrorism and got on with their own business

[@hanzalaomar9915]

@@jcshy Also, during the Doha talks the Taliban delegation asked the US and NATO allies to define 'terrorism' but according to Taliban, the US couldn't give a definition that excludes US itself. Terrorism to US is a group transnational criminals carrying out killings in foreign soil which also means US and NATO themselves are terrorists.

[@hanzalaomar9915]

@@ducki US are the terrorists lol

[@hamcrazy96]

“Let’s encircle Iran by conquering Iraq and Afghanistan” - Bush probably

[@BorntoYeet]

They kinda wouldn't be though in a meaningful way since they had to fly throughout Pakistan to get to Afghanistan.

[@BorntoYeet]

@@Derzto some parts sure, but you forget Iraq is majority Sunni. Sunnis and Shias have always been at odds in that region.

[@EOstr.]

I can imagine Saudi Arabia and Israel rejoining with the idea.

[@milo1263]

@@BorntoYeet Not really, Iraq is roughly 60% Shia with Baghdad being mostly Shia nowadays too while it was populated mostly by Sunnis during Saddam era.

[@AbdurRaufMagsi]

@@milo1263 One must ask though where did the Sunnis go?

[@kalpeshmanna7233]

India didn't supported any mujahideen in Russo Afghan war. They were allies back then.

[@AmanKumarPadhy]

True. But we did support the governmebt that Taliban toppled, most notably by constructing the parliament building. So yipdee ****** doo, we've made another terrorist state hate us.

[@AmanKumarPadhy]

But man, we were so happy when their cricket team came to play matches

[@krapto3467]

@@AmanKumarPadhy Let them hate us,We do not need the love of s @ v @ g e s and b@rbarians like the Terrorists of the Taliban. We supported the USSR backed Afghan socialist republic,which was due to our alliance with them at the time.The soviets definitely commited terrible crimes but we did not support the Mujhadeen fighters or the Taliban and other fringe terror groups. India always supported the State,During the soviet invasion we supported the afghan socialist republic and during the US invasion we supported the Afghan Islamic Republic. Not the terrorists.

[@info_eurasia]

Please define the word terrorist.

[@vengeance5020]

​@@info_eurasia Google it up man

[@jameslalruatpuia7633]

So in a nutshell The Opressed becomes the Opressor and the cycle goes on and on.

[@lordsiomai]

well summarized. and it's not just Afghanistan. it's practically every warzone that has been

[@Otto-mq8lg]

Global human practice

[@AaronShenghao]

Ancient Chinese had saying: “To win a war you need timing, location and people. Timing is nothing when you don’t have location advantage; Location is nothing when you don’t have people’s heart. Only when you captured peoples’ heart, you can win all the wars and hold peace.” This was true in People’s Republic of China’s revolution, this was true in World War Two (both initially in Germany, and later with the allies), this was true in US’ independence war, and this is true in Afghanistan.

[@lagalissonniere6800]

@Dark Knight irrelevant comment

[@ohsehun6470]

@Dark Knight what that got to do with the comment?

[@mauricio9564]

@Dark Knight Cause Mao won the majority of the Chinese people over to his side,who killed those other Chinese people?It wasn’t Americans or robots but other Chinese people who supported Mao.

[@mauricio9564]

@Dark Knight Also looking at statistics of population size I would say no,not to say Maoist China did not see the death of millions during killing of landlords by peasants,killing of cadre by students during Cultural Revolution and so forth but it wasn’t comparable to Japanese occupation.Literally look at any demographic chart of Maoist China,wheter the west likes it or not the population doubled and life expectancy increased,the few who died were irrelevant to the rest of the population who saw improvements and therefore continued to support Mao and continues to like him after he died.Same way many Americans idealize George Washington who also killed thousands of people,genocided Indians and continued the institution of slavery but overall made a slight improvement in some of his citizens lives so he is remembered as overall positive.

[@丁真-z7y]

@@mauricio9564 are u chinese? impressed by your clear-thinking comment

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

It’s worth noting that most of Talibans is from the Ghiljī tribes, where a lot of the Pashtuns who supported the West in Afghanistan is from the Durānī tribes and old conflicts between these tribes has also played a huge factor in the war in Afghanistan…

[@Lyallpuriya]

Also, Durranis are mostly educated urban folks while Ghiljis are mostly rural Afghan Pashtuns who are most likely conservative.

[@mohamednaflan4361]

Never knew these, where can I learn more about this? TIA

[@rostam40]

@@mohamednaflan4361 Pashtun tribal wars

[@kinderboeken55]

Interesting I didn't know this. Does this also tie in to the rural vs urban areas?

[@Lyallpuriya]

@@kinderboeken55 Yes, Durranis mostly reside in Urban areas while Ghiljis are mostly considered rural folks. Durranis are more educated than Ghiljis that also makes them more progressive than the later ones. Also, we are only talking about Pashtuns in Afghanistan because in Pakistan, Pashtuns have more variety of tribes.

[@Dukenukem]

"They rule not because the are good, but because they are persistant" - sums it up nicely

[@wineverything7529]

Persistentce is a good character.. So they are good lol Anyhow it is not for America/American media to decide what is good or not it is high time they understood the world doesn't revolve around western values not anymore

[@ROBLOXGamingDavid]

and they're students. They follow their religious beliefs but they dont know how to govern.

[@wineverything7529]

@@ROBLOXGamingDavid That's rich coming from an American who failed to unite Afghanistan

[@ROBLOXGamingDavid]

@@wineverything7529 I'm from the Philippines.. *_confused face_* But i agree, the Americans failed Afghanistan.

[@ROBLOXGamingDavid]

@زید it looks like it.

[@jagathishb1902]

India wouldn't have funded the Afghan militia during 1970s as Soviet was a close aid of India. In fact, India supported Soviet intervention (in UNGA resolution). Also, it was because of Soviet, India was able to win 1971 Bangladesh Liberation war (in which both China and US supported Pakistan)

[@abc_cba]

Exactly, India didn't fund anyone there.

[@tfhssn]

Ams now bangladesh is the allied with China and eventually Pakistan. India can't be trusted

[@parthiv935]

@@abc_cba India supported Northern alliance with help of Iran.

[@ameyas7726]

Why would Hindu majority India seriously fund any of these Islamist groups who have *zero tolerance* for Hindus....up until 2010, India's role in middle east has been miniscule and utterly insignificant....heck even in 2020, India is still struggling with Pakistan's influence inside India controlled Kashmir...forget about far away Afghanistan and middle east..

[@AP-do8mi]

@@ameyas7726 to be a regional player one plays along...

[@hafsawalker6344]

I'm glad to at least have a small understanding of this long and pain full war.

[@rappcu]

It’s like the US Gov’t has no one who has ever studied history leading the way. The hubris to think “it’ll be different this time because we’re different” astounds and amazes.

[@EOstr.]

I can't think in a Gov. that think different anywhere at least in the past 3 decades. Get in power looks the common gold when in power... they rule, how to rule looks irrelevant for them as long they can keep the power.

[@dundeedolphin]

That assumes that the ambition was to take over Afghanistan.

[@sunset2.00]

Spending on women will win war in Hollywood movies. Oh the women while men get bombed or killed by both sides . I would rather get forced marriage n open my leg n sit back home n relax n practice fasting n enjoying books while my women get killed in war n a new one come to my house to marry n dies a few years later.what a good life than my 3 jihadi wife.

[@dundeedolphin]

@@sunset2.00 What? 😂😂😂

[@ridleyscott5234]

american lead governments have been successful in Kosovo, Korea, Japan, and Germany. its less so their studying of history and more so their backing of warlords.

[@ricardoroxas7690]

I think this is a good explainer to serve as a starting point for more delicate discussions

[@арефнар]

Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.

[@wineverything7529]

Not really.. There is no mention of the unity factor OF Afghanistan and why Taliban are able to unite people under their rule.. U guessed it Afghans have a common religion which apparently America always ignores Islamophobia is the reason USA lost

[@wineverything7529]

@@mikhael636 It is Allah who help us and not America.. America abandoned Afghanistan after the Soviet Withdrawal and never provided further aid and assistance instead it put sanctions and it didn't even turn an eye on what was happening

[@Cloudyedits24]

I swear its heartbreaking how there's always something going on in Afghanistan

[@squadcast7456]

Leave them to it it's no one's problem

[@арефнар]

Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.

[@SystemFreaKk13]

@@арефнар make sure you post that comment everywhere, ok?

[@adityaajit2120]

@@SystemFreaKk13 W

[@moemenshahawy]

@@squadcast7456 exactly, if they just leave them to it. But there will always be one small nation being used by the US to mess around with Russia. 40 years ago it was Afghanistan, today it's Ukraine

[@squareinsquare2078]

It was rural people in Cambodia that drove the Khymer Rouge for similar reasons. It's incredibly important to not ignore rural people, they are as important as people in cities.

[@8is]

Reminds me of rural South Vietnam that had very effective militias that used guerrilla warfare and reconnaissance, which lead them to inflicting about 30% of the total casualties the Viet Cong and PAVN suffered throughout the Vietnam War.

[@nakotaz]

as an afghan i can claim the us used 20 years, a few trillion dollars, countless lives to replace the taliban with the taliban

[@khybar17]

indeed brother I am Afghan too but members and leaders of Taliban needs to be educated how to control Afghanistan

[@giorfi-n7v]

Afghanistan needs to be colonized like the british did....to make it modern. No other way, But there is nothing in it for the colonizers except poppyseeds

[@nachiketajoshi7703]

3:07 India never funded any Mujahideen during the Soviet Invasion. It rather sided with the Soviet (India and Soviet were really close) and provided medical aid to Afghan socialist government. India helped Mujahideen (Northern Alliance) after the Taliban came to power. Wrong graphic.

[@adamqawasmeh4462]

The speaker never said that India funded the mujahideen. He says that Pakistan was afraid that India MIGHT fund them, which implies a proxy war to invade and weaken Pakistan, i.e. an enemy of India.

[@Pradeep-ix6dj]

@@adamqawasmeh4462 watch the video again. They did say India armed the militia to gain influence. That was never the case. 3:07

[@ammarkhan7618]

@@Pradeep-ix6dj I might be mistaken but . Did the recent gov( indian admitted to fund and has continued funding militia in afghan

[@psuyog]

@@ammarkhan7618 Where did get that information from? Ghq Islamabad or from that lier Dgispr?

[@Frenchdefense9404]

@@adamqawasmeh4462 huh too much imagination

[@AadhityaSrinivasaPanduRanganV]

Editing in vox always ultimate

[@арефнар]

Also misinformation

[@alexinhoFCB]

Yes, they are the best when it comes to editing. It’s a true masterpiece

[@арефнар]

@@beluwuga2229 this entire video The ethiopian Civil War The Yemen crisis The navalny and scripal and ukrainegate

[@darrenbutler9819]

@@арефнар actual info, just saying this or that doesn't provide factual information.

[@арефнар]

@@darrenbutler9819 neither does Vox. The story is too long.

[@Akshayysk]

Title - how US killed millions of Afghanistan

[@Student0Toucher]

Oh yes it’s all Americas fault Im Sure USSR has no blame nor Pakistan

[@mohitbansal1221]

@@Student0Toucher precisely just the US , America is the root of all terror who pretends to be the hero

[@AsymmetricalCrimes]

Yes let's ignore the 3 million Afghans killed by the Soviet Army. Or the 140,00 Afghans killed by the British. Or the 2 million Afghans killed by Pakistan.

[@AsymmetricalCrimes]

@@mohitbansal1221 I bet you are a Holocaust denier based on the level of delusion in your comment.

[@swamuelthemlgplaya2268]

‘I hate the US because they are popular’

[@dayurwarfa9762]

Bush: Taliban will pay the price American taxpayers: actually we did 😂😂😭🤣🤣

[@Mohammad-ll2is]

As an Afghan young man, I couldn’t agree more with the exact explanation of the Taliban. That’s exactly what has been happening to my innocent & destroyed motherland. This world will only be a peaceful place if we, HUMAN Family, work together and help each other. “Light always wins over darkness” ❤️🇦🇫❤️

[@A13b100]

So do you support taliban now?

[@a_glacial_death_]

@@A13b100 Afghanistan has always suffered from ultraconservative elements, with or without Taliban. Love is stronger than hate. The US is an evil, incompetent country that couldn't achieve much there.

[@AdamBarron-qz7wu]

History repeats itself

[@darexinfinity]

Afghanistan still looks pretty dark even after the Taliban's recent takeover. Women's rights keeping get worse.

[@sayedhasan2668]

The US and its nationbuilding project in Afghanistan! In 2001, in the Human Development Index global ranking, Afghanistan was 162; in 2020, it even came down to 169

[@salokin3087]

Wrong, this is because development of poorer countries increased faster than Afghanistan. In the same metrics, afghanistan's HDI increased

[@shubh_ind]

In the name of "democracy" , US invades the country 😂😂

[@fadli_1577]

In the name of "socialism", Soviet invades Afghanistan

[@shubh_ind]

@@fadli_1577 totally agree with you my American friend... When it comes to destruction , both USA and Russia are secret allies.

[@crippleddepression1142]

@@shubh_ind nah f the superpowers

[@XhumpersX]

Those aren't mutually exclusive ideas. Afghanistan had an authoritarian theocracy with un-elected leaders. The US and UN did put some effort into setting up a democracy, but yeah that was clearly not their primary goal.

[@saqlainbhat5104]

To loot lithium ,which never was found

[@j.3785]

I recommend a New Yorker article by Anand Gopal "The other Afghan Women" which has a lot more details about the lives in rural areas. This video talks about the corruption in the Afghan govt but hasn't mentioned the problems the US and the allied forces created. Money and troops don't solve problems. Aside from the indiscriminate killings we frequently see on the news, the CIA-backed death squads (now many living in the US) and warlords also brought fears to locals.

[@tinisnqui]

Thank you so much! Do you have other resources in where I could read about this topic, I really want to educate myself

[@Beemmeupz]

I'm sorry but this sounds like deflection

[@PianoWithMe]

Never knew the actual story behind the Taliban Thank you for this video

[@nathanlevesque7812]

So we're just going to skip over the part where the Taliban offered to give up Bin Laden immediately after 9/11?

[@mr.muhammadabdulbari]

They never offered Osama. They would have never done that . They wouldn't expel a believer who had come from the land of Prophet (PBUH) and hand him over to non beleivers

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@mr.muhammadabdulbari It's a fact that they did.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

@@JustAGuyWhoYaps Bush and Congress didn't even want to talk about it, but you can pretend otherwise all you want.

[@SolinoOruki]

This video downplays US's role in creating the Mujahedin and act as US was just one of the many who supported them, while in fact US support was the primary reason Mujahedin/Taliban were created.

[@gunslinger-hx2cm]

No it's not the real reason of creation of them is corrupt government and Cia

[@tj5180]

People also forget the US put the taliban in power even invited them to the US which no one knew about and msm didn't cover cuz of the pipeline Bush was trying to do

[@psuyog]

Completely wrong... Pakistani generals came to Americans with the proposal of Talibani fighters to use against Soviet. US at that time didn't have an idea of who these mujahideens are. Pakistan trained pashtuns to suppress separate Pashtunistan movement. US funded Pakistani ISI who trained Talibanis to counter Soviets.

[@gunslinger-hx2cm]

@@psuyog yes finally someone with sense man

[@psuyog]

@@gunslinger-hx2cm Atleast Indians should know this, cause two decades before 70s, these very same tribal pashtuns used by Pakistani army to launch attack on independent Kashmir with the slogan Zar, Zan,zamin (Gold, women & Land). The only difference was that Pakistanis at that time called these Pashtun tribesmen as Kabayali & today they call them as Talibanis.

[@farispervaiz1634]

One thing is true, tabilban 90’s were amateur with no knowledge of governance while taliban of 20’s are very different and a bit modernist. That could be because of social networks and media. But the fact that pakistan supported Afghanistan in pressing soviets out is incomplete. The right sentence is “ saudi arabia and united states used pakistan as their proxy and camp to help afghan mujahideen to defeat soviets from becoming another super power”.

[@bibhuduttamisra6065]

But dear actions have no justification... If you supported for what the reason may be you are equally part of the wrong actions...😌

[@farispervaiz1634]

S N they were no happy under the foreign occupation either. They just came out of a war and their foreign reserves are sealed, whole world is not allowing them breath, no body is giving them chance. Its true there is a huge crisis but it would be unfair to blame poor afghans for this but not the war waging NATO.

[@leechrec]

Taliban in both eras: love to wage war

[@potapotapotapotapotapota]

This is the first time I've actually had this all explained to me... I've heard it on the news for so long but never understood how it happened. Very interesting!

[@breadfishEdits]

I love how they mentioned the conquest of Kabul as it it was treacherous. But infact it was the most sophisticated approach in taking their rule back in Kabul, There were no casualties, no threats, Just peaceful.

[@Jay-hr3rh]

The Taliban's new name, "America's kryptonite."

[@randomhuman1754]

Taliban(afghanistan) was even a kryptotine to previous superpowers like Soviet Union, UK

[@dylanghawks]

I wouldn't say kryptonite but a thorn in are side.

[@Green_Goddess]

The teacher is a brave changemaker

[@Student0Toucher]

I love America for creating youtube so we can bash America, freedom is great.

[@aryanred2490]

You talking bout mullah mohammed omar?

[@AbdulAhad-oq6lz]

But no so smart promoting education when there is really no infrastructure to use it , risking their own and students lives.

[@ludlowaloysius]

@@AbdulAhad-oq6lz they need to _learn_ to build infra. before they can build infra.

[@арефнар]

Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.

[@marcuscarana9240]

I feel so sorry for both the innocent civilians who died as collateral casualties and the American soldiers who died following their government's orders which was at the end a failure. US soldiers and Afghan civilians died and trillions of dollar spent. All of that and nothing changed for the better. Afghanistan is a living dystopia.

[@Majacaro]

Do u think Afghanistan is the only country Americans ruined ?.. even with a "war" directly, Venezuela us suffering the same way. If the American gouvernement doesn't like a country, they bully it until its currency collapse, creating an economcal collapse.. but who are you to dictate the world, which gouvernement is right or wrong ?

[@aryanram02]

hondurus too.@@Majacaro

[@dionysus8041]

"Beatings, stonings, and public executions were common punishments under the Taliban regime" So the Taliban is just a Saudi Arabia, but we like the Saudis.

[@amitmiki]

Yeah but Afghanistan doesn't have Oil

[@арефнар]

Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.

[@арефнар]

@@amitmiki they also have no affinity with uncle Sam. There's no iran_style scarecrow to scare them.

[@dionysus8041]

Afghanistan is the poor Saudi brother. Boom

[@marwansallam]

YES. They should copy America and give rapists and killers a gym and food for 20 years while probably becoming even more violent. Makes sense why America has such a low crime rate. Oh wait that's Saudi.

[@hibatahir4225]

The video places most of the blame for arming and training the Taliban on Pakistan. But in reality, Pakistan did that on US orders. The US provided aid to Pakistan for training mujahideen. Pakistan is fairly a poor country, that can barely pull its own weight. How can a country like that invest in a foreign armed militia so lavishly? Another thing this video doesn't mention is that a lot of the Mujahideen joined the Taliban. Taliban and mujahideen are not completely separate entities. It also conveniently did not mention how Pakistan also fought the Taliban and how the US would have never been able to enter Afghanistan if Pakistan had not allowed the US to use its land.

[@KidAnfield786]

pakistan helped the mujahideen in 80-90s when america asked them but that was for the soviet war. after the soviets left and afg went into a civil war, pakistan’s training/funding etc of the taliban was pakistans decision. pakistan decisively played a double game with usa for 40 years. yes they funded mujahideen in soviet war when usa asked them to but pakistan didn’t do it simply for that reason. it was the aid given to pakistan in that time which finalised the nuclear arsenal they have today, and that was done against not just usa, but the entire wests desires. same in the last 2 decades, pakistan “helped” usa by giving them access to afg, but pakistan had their own interests at heart and under the ruse of helping usa, majorly helped taliban instead. if it wasn’t for pakistans sheltering, financing and training of the taliban, mujahideen or any other group, they wouldn’t control afg right now.

[@SMmania123]

1960s Afghanistan may have been the best time for Afghans in the modern era.

[@dumigamez397]

Yup. The country wasn't rich but it was relatively democratic and competently managed.

[@queenofgrah]

It’s time that rich countries stop helping others for profit, and start helping them for humanity

[@jimmyopio9464]

Sadly not going to happen buddy. Life is a system

[@flaskanbottle9250]

No let the counties help them self, otherwise how will they learn?

[@queenofgrah]

@@flaskanbottle9250 that’s a good point, but Afghanistan has reached the point that someone needs to intervene or the country will descend into anarchy

[@Hmuk09]

@@frisb3e781 Afghanistan is not in Africa

[@арефнар]

Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.

[@Sahelian]

It's all america's fault

[@williamcunninghammorrison3894]

Islamists

[@sycthethebeast2541]

@@williamcunninghammorrison3894 nope the us support them funded them and gave weapons

[@divyanshraiswal6969]

@@sycthethebeast2541 and also pakistan

[@williamcunninghammorrison3894]

@@sycthethebeast2541 they funded mujahideen not Taliban

[@divyanshraiswal6969]

@@williamcunninghammorrison3894 well the pakistan NSA was just in Kabul meeting with the taliban. Taliban are also Mujahidin

[@Phoebes8391]

god level editing. holy smokes the content is just top notch

[@bhagyajitdas1498]

Vox as always

[@affable_saif]

its vox..what do you expect!! but if you are a fan of editing i suggest you watch Johnny Harries...

[@christianedavi5166]

I was finally able to watch this video! Thanks for making it available again.

[@stud000000079]

If guns weren't given like candy in Afghanistan, then none of this would have occurred. Also the rivalry among countries to become more powerful or to bring others down.

[@hashim.4]

Agreed Afghanistan is unfortunate that they are surrounded by these super powers

[@info_eurasia]

No, the US sponsored Afghan government was just corrupt, unpopular and incompetent. You can't impose Western ideas and centralised governence on tribal people. Northwest Pakistan was a lawless warzone for centuries, only in 2018 was the writ of the central government established there for the first time after a huge military operation and local uprising against the Taliban.

[@Hlk.100]

@@info_eurasiayou’re right I think the US did that on purpose, they didn’t really care about the country the goal was just to het bin laden and destroy the taliban. If the US didn’t put warlords, thief and criminals group in power, maybe the afghan could’ve defeated the taliban.

[@lambdamax]

Isn't thus also a similar story to the indigenous tribes when the British, Spaniards, and French came to the Americas? Fragmentation and lack of unity amongst tribes?

[@omarshinwari7823]

No lol. the tribes in America were all of the same ethnicity The tribes of afghanistan speak 2 diffrent languages. diffrent history values culture and land. Far more complex

[@keysmash6739]

@@omarshinwari7823 they weren’t the same ethnicity. There were multiple indigenous civilizations all over america, even in a single country there were many of them, apart from each other. They all spoke different languages.

[@Passportsandprofits]

@@omarshinwari7823 the native Americans were far more complex then the Afghanistans😂 No offense but the afghani people are mainly rural farmers whereas the Native Americans were building complex cities and megalithic structures that are still standing thousands of years later

[@fitztastico]

This was so good. One suggestion: It would be particularly helpful to include dates/years in your graphics, like at 11:12 with your maps of control

[@farispervaiz1634]

They tempered well known facts and it sounds good to you.

[@Pelthail]

What an incredible editorial. Thank you.

[@S0ohail07]

As an Afghan I have got many questions which has no answer

[@Isteyak-78]

Taliban: the man who loves death more than the enemy loves there life

[@AsparagusAutist]

The word taliban is derived from arabic not pashto. In arabic talib (طالب) means student.

[@andrewweaver2517]

Ana tabib. Indec Hashish.

[@andrewweaver2517]

That's all I remember.

[@historywithhilbert]

It's a loanword from Arabic into Pashto as far as I'm aware.

[@cap1banksy349]

just because a word is originally derived from Arabic doesn't mean that the term "Taliban" wasn't given to us from Pashto; the plural suffix -an is clearly Pashto, and the term was originally coined by native Pashto speakers, so it's kind of weird to consider "Taliban" an Arabic word in the same way that it's odd to think of the English word "student" as being Latin.

[@thebestevertherewas]

@@ArabianCrescent Hindu is NOT A LANGUAGE. Hindi is. And it isn't influenced by Arabic at all. The language you're referring to is URDU,( which itself is a mixture of Hindi, Sanskrit, Persian, and Arabic, and is spoken in present day Pakistan, and some northern muslim parts of India.)

[@koxukoshu]

the knocking sound at 7:11 gave me quite a scare at 1 in the morning

[@agniteyt]

Woods know that they're two faced from the beginning he started working with the Mujahideen

[@арефнар]

Vox lied again. Here's why: I was joking. There's nothing to know about. Everything's clear. This land is doomed.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

The Mujahedeen isn't the same as Taliban, SOME became Taliban, a lot of others supported the invasion to get rid of the Talibans

[@agniteyt]

@@gorillaguerillaDK Yeah that's kinda true...

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

@@agniteyt Not kinda, it IS true.... The conflict in Afghanistan has so many layers to it, and even this video only briefly touches on some of them... There's basically no mention of how the Pashtuns is divided, or how some of the conflict in Afghanistan has been a proxy conflict between India and Pakistan. How it's a war between the educated and the mostly uneducated. How various tribes has shifted sides depending on various factors. How corruption undermined the effort to create a working national armed force. There's so many layers in this conflict - and most only know about one or two if them...

[@St3.]

“He worked at an Islamic school called a Madrasa” Madrasa in English: school.

[@nilguntosun1144]

this is a very clear explanation, thank you

[@Rizwan-Ali]

This is an excellent report and the best one on the Afghanistan issue. very well covered all the aspects of the Afghan war. would love to see more on this area.

[@just_in_key]

The production is amazing 🤌🏻✨

[@royzgaming441]

Us built up Bin Laden, are we all forgetting US media portraying him as a hero?

[@williamcunninghammorrison3894]

Bin laden is literally the most hated in US

[@zyansheep]

Wut?

[@sycthethebeast2541]

@@williamcunninghammorrison3894 he’s talking about when bin Laden was in Afghanistan during The Soviet invasion

[@BroAnarchy]

Those who fall to learn from history...

[@magicmagus1459]

@@sycthethebeast2541 actually he has no idea what he is talking about...it’s trendy to hate on the US....but US is far more moral than any other country by far....but hating on the big guy is popular and cool

[@KeiMori]

That knock at 7:12 frightened me to my core

[@alexdenisov7912]

Unsurprisingly VOX forgot to mention that Taliban and Al Kaida as well were nursed and supplied by USA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia as Soviet opponents in Afghanistan)

[@AsymmetricalCrimes]

Except they weren't. The U.S. never supported either groups. You forget Al-Qaeda was formed in Pakistan, not Afghanistan in 1988. When the U.S. found out about Al-Qaeda, they had Osama banished from Arabia which is why he and Al-Qaeda spent the early 1990s in East Africa. And the Taliban was formed in 1994, long after the U.S. involvement had ended. After they took Kabul in 1996, they invited Al-Qaeda back to Afghanistan. Where is your proof they supported them because the U.S. had lost all interest in the entire region until 1997 when Clinton ordered the bombing of several Al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan in retaliation for Al-Qaeda attacks on Americans in Somalia.

[@MukeshYadav-q7q]

Fault of democratic afganistan lose of democratic afganistan and its people

[@devicexd1326]

Great and objective explanation, remind me of what I saw in Homeland, also made me realize how lucky I am to live in a peaceful world which many of us take for granted.

[@johnmdelcampo]

Forgot to mention when the Taliban wanted to give the U.S Osama Bin Landen

[@PaxAmericana76]

That’s a long debunked urban legend. The Taliban openly refused to hand over bin Laden and anyone from AQ.

[@mythbusterUSA]

No stubborn Taliban leader Mullah Omar refused because he believed it was against Pashtunwali. Saudi Prince Turki Al-Faisal and Pakistani foreign office and military members met with Mullah Omar to convince him. They told him about the consequences not only for his country but also for region.

[@stefan4159]

@@PaxAmericana76 Exactly, at best it was an offer to extradite bin Laden to a country that had no relationship with the US. Because that would have worked out just swell!

[@adrienneroy1705]

4:27: I don’t know if this was intentional, but “madrassat” (مدرسة) just means school, not specifically an Islamic school :)

[@mglaze13]

In Afghanistan, maktab مکتب refers to regular school, which is primarily secular, whereas madrasa مدرسه has a more religious connotation. Both words originate from Arabic, but changed in meaning, e.g. maktab means library in Arabic. So a child might attend an after-school madrasa to practice Quran recitation, poetry memorization, etc.

[@adrienneroy1705]

@@mglaze13 This is so interesting! Thank you so much :)

[@riceboy890]

I’m always so impressed with the quality of the information and the graphics in these videos

[@jakel8627]

I'm British and I'm in the Army reserves We lost Afghanistan to the Taliban And we lost my country to Brexit Both are tragedies. This world is regressing.

[@christopherlue9096]

If I may ask, how was Brexit detrimental to Britain. I have a very basic grasp, but could you explain further?

[@crossfire7474]

Imagine in a different timeline wherein Afghanistan is peaceful. No Soviet interference and no civil wars.

[@luke.4317]

where us didnt fund the muhjadeen*

[@PaxAmericana76]

@@luke.4317 the Chinese would just have instead 💁‍♂️. Like the Chinese funded forces against the Soviets in Southern Africa.

[@hamedsadat3315]

@@PaxAmericana76 why would China fund/create the mujahiddin if the country was headed in their direction

[@risannd]

Where Daoud Khan didn't topple the monarchy and started his own republic.

[@kabodra]

@@risannd oh that would have been a great alternative history

[@Fernando-nz3gm]

We spent 20 years supporting a corrupt government. While aligning with warlords and supplying a ghost army

[@fadli_1577]

Not bad investment for lot of illegal opium

[@msijo]

This half baked story. Lacks depth. It doesnt talk about US cold war role in AFG. Then it also shows India supporting Militias which is also contentious

[@molamola8305]

3:31 the SFX is soo good!

[@marziasadat5591]

Thanks for making these videos 🐱

[@marcuscarana9240]

Can you do a video on why the US left so much equipment, weapons and vehicles without even destroying them as they left? It seems like the US government wanted to give the Taliban these weapons so they can have more control over the people so the country won't collapse further.

[@legokingtm9462]

Its mostly the afghan army equipment given by the US. Because its american supplied equipment, of course its gonna be the same MRAP and humvee that the american use, and any other equipment.

[@BakeryTakery]

Nice little heart attack for headphone users at 7:11

[@fAshSon]

Thank you for this video. I'm caught up to date with all this political mess. Men in power holding guns, women suffers holding books. May there be peace one day.

[@tjmguardian3668]

It’s great how a channel like vox can just put all of this info in one video. Fascinating

[@educatorofneedy5756]

Vox ?

[@Di-yk6hb]

Thank you for a concise and very informative video. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@AlienWithInternetConnection]

You can't defeat a monster if you keep on creating more of him.

[@AbdoAbdo-bc2xu]

Bro it's because you are the real monster

[@pranshumishra4980]

Vox u nailed it 🔥

[@strategymaster9048]

1979: Russia invades Afghanistan. 1989: Russia has left the chat. 2001: United States invades Afghanistan. 2021: United States has left the chat. The Graveyard of Empires.

[@ayyazkhan1917]

The british a hundred year before, and the Greeks thousands of year before

[@vamsikrishna9501]

1987 : US backs Mujahideen 1989 : Russia loses and backs out 1996 : Taliban takes over

[@larsstougaard7097]

I think that Alexander the Great even conquered Afghanistan, but said it's easy to get in but almost impossible to get out again. Also the “Great Game” has been played for centuries in Afghanistan, known as the “graveyard of empires.” Because of its geo-strategic location, foreign governments have long used the people of Afghanistan as tools for their own interests.

[@adrianshephard378]

@@vamsikrishna9501 mujahideen fought against Taliban as well

[@k.o9461]

Pakistan and the US must hold accountable for what they did to the Afghan people instead of blaming countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

Saudi is to blame, how do you think Saudis like Osama Bin Laden just appeared in Afghanistan

[@Chorizero2369]

Even though I’m from Mexico I still am disgusted how the US, specifically joe Biden backed out of afganistan and just basically turned on all those innocent people. Just makes me sad

[@nathanngumi8467]

A tragic history in Afghanistan... It is unfortunate how things played out and how it is the innocent civilians who suffer the most in these geopolitical intrigues.

[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Never should’ve overthrown the king.

[@wafiseifsungkar2112]

I agree

[@SherKhan-rd9uw]

King was a liberal secular dude who wanted to change afghan culture by copying western culture which many were against and seen as an insult he also commitied massacres against people. Thats when afghans overthrew him

[@yeldam8394]

@@SherKhan-rd9uw that’s not true at all? Tf. The king allowed rural Afghans to live they wanted and improved the country by spreading education. There was definitely some tension between Kabulis and rural villagers bc of their more Western lifestyle but never to the point of trying to overthrow the government. They just didn’t like Western clothing and made fun of Kabulis for things like that lol. He was overthrown bc the Soviet Union managed to get corrupt Afghans to help them spread communism all for money. The Muhajadeen’s initial goal was literally to return back to monarchy lol.

[@sandman3536]

US lost in Vietnam, lost in Iraq and lost in Afghan. This shows that can't rely on high tech weapon only but must rely and trust God also.

[@cpthondasaitoshi.6156]

War in Iraq is inconclusive. The Vietnam and Afghan,Yes.When the US withdraw.

[@fadli_1577]

Pretty sure US won in Iraq (gulf war and 2003 invasion)

[@gunslinger-hx2cm]

@@cpthondasaitoshi.6156 I don't think USA got defeated in Afghanistan it can't be said as it is not a surrender

[@cpthondasaitoshi.6156]

@@gunslinger-hx2cm I said they withdraw. You know,Taliban attack Afghan goverment when American and NATO forces withdraw.And people said the america and NATO were defeat by Taliban.But they not actually. Just like in vietnam war too.

[@gunslinger-hx2cm]

@@cpthondasaitoshi.6156 yep

[@nayouth9117]

As an afghan I completely disagree and disappointed in amount of research vox did on this. No mention of the northern alliance and there struggle to fight for human rights.

[@kotor1357]

Could you elaborate, When did it happened Any sources that I could read How is it/was it related to Taliban Also hope you're doing well, with all things happening in your country....

[@adityasinghjadoun6675]

cope indian. Majority of afghans love islam and taliban

[@Hlk.100]

As an afghan, I don’t really trust the northern alliance, Ahmad massoud and his partner’s were big thief, they stole millions of dollars and his father was a big warlord.

[@gkmusic..]

I was waiting for a long time for a video about the Taliban

[@cheeselover626]

I find it disingenuous of Vox to not mention that the Taliban were very forthwright in giving intel to US military on the location and movements of Al Queada and more importantly Osama Bin Laden himself. If you want a very thorough breakdown of the leadup to and the fallout of the US-Afghanistan war, go read Fool's Errand by Scott Horton (the citation count in that book is gargantuan too so you'll have plenty of followup reading to do if you like).

[@AsymmetricalCrimes]

Most of that information was false. The U.S. knew the Taliban was lying. The Taliban said Osama was in Herat which didn't even make any sense at the time. The only people who knew where Osama was was Pakistan's ISI. Which btw is the largest intelligence agency and one of the most secretive in the world. Responsible for decades of terrorist attacks in India dating back to the 1960s.

[@McCorkle4]

It’s Vox what did you expect

[@DenLim123]

I personally think if Communism was at least allowed to happen in Afghanistan, things might've been better now

[@арефнар]

They certainly might have gone much better but Afghanistan had to fall. Islam is misery and masochistic cultism plus rhetoric. It's like a deep negative feeling, the more you ignore it, the uglier the way it will somehow rear its head back towards you.

[@blacksheep6174]

What abt leaving them how they were . Why invaded their country forced communism

[@legokingtm9462]

@@blacksheep6174 the government requested soviet garrison.

[@Charlie-uz8vb]

Lol no. You don't understand how Afghanistan is. Did you expect them to give up their religion?

[@juliankraus1011]

But it was allowed to happen. They seized power by force and established a reign of terror which rivaled only that of the Taliban themselves.

[@Ibaaz33]

4:39 Taliban is an Arabic word not a Pashtun word. Taliban is written طالبان in arabic. Which means two students.

[@Student0Toucher]

America is cool

[@mdsabahuddin8251]

This word is also in pashtun.and it's written in pashto the same way it's written in Arabic.

[@aboshaib61]

غير صحيح كلمة بشتونية تعني الطلبة

[@zeezoo6174]

The word is more pashto than arabic now.

[@SherKhan-rd9uw]

Yea heard of loan words?

[@pascalmassie4706]

Thanks, this is very helpful.