THE TARGARYENS: SAVIOURS or TYRANTS???

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The Critical Maester

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@Quark214 Ай бұрын

My left ear greatly enjoyed this video

@donrog5035 Ай бұрын

You too ?

@thecriticalmaester9702 Ай бұрын

U could only hear it out the left ear???

@Tiku- 27 күн бұрын

I had to use spatial audio to fix that, and manually adjust my damn head so the voice would be in the middle 😂 all that effort, roflmao. Is that the new trend or something

@rebeccarebecca7094 Ай бұрын

I think some of the Targaryens had good intentions. But power corrupts. I also think they squandered their gifts of dragons. Killing a dragon to me is such a sacrilege. You are are gifted with this magical bond. Really the targaryens should be tight with one another. That is real power. Knowing you got a family/friend circle that is loyal and supportive. No one can break you. Should have been more grateful for the dragons. Like Daenerys said when they started to lock them away they grew small. They should have been left to fly free when not riding.

@thecriticalmaester9702 Ай бұрын

Yeah, they should've been more loving towards each other and more mindful of the power and influence that they had because of their dragons. I think that they got too prideful and arrogant towards the end, and that hubris was their ultimate undoing. The Dance happened during a time of peace and plenty, so the Targaryens got overly-confident and maybe even too complacent about their own majesty. With no more enemies to fight (thanks to Maegor and Jaehaerys), they started to fight one another for the very same power that their predecessors had worked so hard to try and secure. It ultimately became their undoing. 😞

@DougieFresh1414 Ай бұрын

Good intentions when you're in power are meaningless. The US army claimed they had "good intentions" to justify the invasion of Iraq and to pluder the countries wealth and resources and massacre it's civilians. Intentions are meaingless.

@rebeccarebecca7094 Ай бұрын

If dragons were a thing and such a bond was possible. I would never leave my dragons side hardly ever. Plus it would be a cherished privilege. Thinking in terms of the human mind I guess the same thing would happen it would be squandered away and selfishly disregarded, it would be seen as a right by some and not a privilege. Back to the targaryens the same reasoning applies as you say turning on one another and for what?? The end of all Targaryens an no more dragons. It’s implied the dragon chooses the rider and sees something in them. Maybe they stopped producing eggs and not growing properly as the Targaryens become more selfish and unworthy?

@youngveteran6368 Ай бұрын

Dragons aren’t birds or horses they take whatever THEY WANT and that doesn’t stop at livestock. Also also to have dragons roaming freely UNACCOUNTED for means anyone with a drop of Targaryen blood can claim a dragon (the dragon seeds and nettles for example). Also also also dragons roaming freely means their eggs are unprotected and could be stolen while the dragon leaves to hunt. I typed all this to say if anybody thinks ASOIAF is the kinda story where dragons can roam freely without it coming at a cost then you haven’t been paying attention because for the safety of the small folk & the realm as a whole the dragon pit was a necessity, so much so that not even jahaerys commanded them to stop building it because he saw its value

@youngveteran6368 Ай бұрын

@kjellduteweert9262 Ай бұрын

Oh I know a good quote that fits them well:l one of Vikings. Bye Ragnar : Power is always dangerous; it attracts the worst and corrupts the best."

@thecriticalmaester9702 Ай бұрын

Yeah, and in this case, the great power was the dragons, and in the story you can see how some Targaryens abused this power (e.g. Maegor) while some tried to use it for good (e.g. Jaehaerys). You can also see how some went mad at the hope of retrieving it after the dragons all died (e.g. Aerion Brightflame and Aegon V). Maybe Viserys was right when he said that it was power that the Valyrians should've never trifled with because it even destroyed Old Valyria.

@danaegore3815 Ай бұрын

I think part of their madness was the incest. The Dance proved that you didn’t have to be a ‘pure blooded’ Targaryen to claim or hatch a dragon. Jaehaerys and Alysanne had enough children that they could have married them all amongst the Warden families or other high ranking lords. But no, they mostly stayed within families that were already connected and their siblings. Their mother, Alyssa Velaryon, was right to not want even them to marry. Sometimes being more diverse and breaking traditions is a good thing.

@AmericanImperium1776 Ай бұрын

Like with all families, there are heroes and tyrants in the Targaryen family.

@barbiquearea Ай бұрын

The Starks also wipe out many royal bloodlines in the North during their family's millennia long conquest of the North. The Blackwoods, who originally ruled the Wolfswood were driven into exile by the Starks. Then there's the Barrow Kings, Red Kings of the Dreadfort and Marsh Kings, all forced to submit to the Kings of Winter through right of conquest. So why are the Targaryens treated like evil tyrants for bringing unity to the whole realm via violent conquest, when the Starks had done exactly that in the North?

@Iruma366 Ай бұрын

The Targaryens never unified anything. It will always be different for native tribes fighting and consolidating power amongst each other versus a foreign invading power.

@alex52043 Ай бұрын

@@Iruma366 I suppose it's good that the Targaryens didn't conquer the children of the forest, then. A pity the andals and first men came over from Essos and wiped the natives out.

@Iruma366 Ай бұрын

@@alex52043 They made pact and lived together and the children were so few in number that Westeros was nearly uninhabited. You cannot compare the Andals or Rhyonar to the first men and even they are not as bad as The Targaryens who only brought subjugation and oppression and lived in Westeros for less than half a century. When 12,000 years pass we can revisit the subject.

@alex52043 Ай бұрын

@@Iruma366 At least the Targaryens didn't engage in genocide. Both the first men and the andals were slaughtering the children, not conquering them. The first men only stopped because they were forced to and the andals succeeded.

@Iruma366 Ай бұрын

@@alex52043 Wrong. The Targaryens are far more vile then, either they killed plenty of innocent men, women and children whose only crime was that they did not wished to be ruled by foreign invaders in their own lands and homes. Once again the First Men never committed genocide they came to a mutual agreement and there after lived in harmony for many thousands of years and they retreated from the Andals ceding land just as many of The First Men did. Not all the Andals were invaders some were settlers. The fact remains they are natives in a way the Targaryens can never be and ruled for thousands of years and over a population of their own people.

@greyworld6242 Ай бұрын

Both. Hmm how many Targaryens actually cared about the prophecy vs those that only just cared about their power and with or without their dragons? Can you do another video like this but about the starks and the Lannisters? And great video!

@apacalypsagon3758 Ай бұрын

Well many of the ladder Targaryens you mentioned after the dance could have taken the prophecy seriously. Aerys the first tried consulting to books and scrolls while aegon the 4th commissioned metal dragons. They seemed to all try to get the dragons back one way or another.

@bruhicusmomentus3060 Ай бұрын

My left ear was massaged by the narration and now my brain feel funny

@nameunknown6453 Ай бұрын

As a *Targaryen loyalist* I can confidently say: Their dynasty did far more good to Westeros than bad. Doesn't they we're perfect and saints who did nothing wrong, no, not even a bit, They did a lot of wrongs as shown in the second half of the video *!BUT!* they atleast never killed their enemys at a wedding/banquet, unlike a certain *House Frey...*

@Hollowmello1285 Ай бұрын

Blame robb.

@thecriticalmaester9702 Ай бұрын

Haha, true they never killed anyone at a wedding, but Maegor did kill a bunch of builders at a banquet. 😅 And he did kill a septon during his coronation too. Yes, neither of these were weddings, I know, but still - it's still a very black omen, lol. 👀😂 But yes, I also agree with u that the Targaryens did do a lot of good for Westeros as well. Implementing laws like those that abolished the right of the First Night was very important and commendable on their part, and the fact that they improved the infrastructure and economy of the continent is also something to take note of. It's not something that's pointed out a lot, but it is very respectable and noteworthy, I think. 🤷🏾‍♂️👍🏾

@Iruma366 Ай бұрын

It can never be good for a native population to be oppressed by foreigners.

@jankohn4827 26 күн бұрын

They were both. But for the common people it does not matter if they are ruled by a Gardener or Targaryen. During Targaryen reign there were also wars, but also peace and prosperity, which didn't exist before them. Its better to have one ruling family who creates sometimes a crisis, then seven families which do ir all the time. Even during the worst Targaryen war, the dance of dragons, large parts of the realm, like the north, the vale and the stormlands remained nearly uneffected.

@jjosifovic Ай бұрын

1. House of the dragon made the prophesyand game of thrones undid it with Arya saving the world from the night king. 2. The targaryens united the realm under their rule through fear and intimidation.. 3. All targaryens faced rebellion and war because they didnt understood or respected the traditions of westeros people. 4. All succesful targaryens monarchs adapted to the westeros society. I dont understand how targaryens are the saviors of the realm they came to rule to establish their dynasty. They are a legacy that created a dynasty but to be honest when compared to older houses like starks and hightowers who have been around longer and manage their kingdoms better than the targaryens then i would say they are a bit overrated.

@Iruma366 Ай бұрын

Finally someone else who can see reason.

@huuman2ndchannel708 10 күн бұрын

The Smallfolks: 👀👄

@Undone545 Ай бұрын

They were a powerful house doing the things powerful houses do. There had been good kings and bad. There had been bad kings who did good things and good kings who did terrible. Were there less wars after the targaryans or just less frequent but larger scale conflicts once the kingdoms had been organised. Its hard to say

@Ruchi5297 26 күн бұрын

They are complex as people but they are also just bad rulers. Forcing their rules doesn't last for a long time, Targaryens are a proof of it. I also don't like how the fandoms make Targaryen so above the rule and special. I understand they and the starks are important but that doesn't mean they are above the rule. I like the complexities of their character but I feel the same for so many houses and their people too. Targaryens aren't that special. And yes they were tyrants.

@rjamesyork 26 күн бұрын

The question: "The Targaryens: Saviors or tyrants?" The answer: "Yes."

@christophertheconqueror8751 18 күн бұрын

"We'll have to wait for the Winds of Winter." L....O.....L

@jamescourt6554 Ай бұрын

Before the Targaryens became rulers,there were many kings and queens of royal houses of each part of Westeros fighting each other for thousands of years and the Targaryens brought an end to that and (sort of) united all of Westeros. TBF uniting all of the houses and people that were killing each other is ALLWAYS going to be a pain but it lasted for about 300 years which is a lot. Sure there was the Dance of the dragons the Blackfyre rebellion and other conflicts but the Targaryens brought peace that would not have happened had there still been multiple kings and queens in the same continent and breathing space.

@jamescourt6554 Ай бұрын

But yea there were many bad apples that corrupted the image of house Targaryen like Aerys the second. Maegor the cruel

@Iruma366 Ай бұрын

The Nazi and the USSR used the same rationale to justify their conquest & tyranny.

@captainziggy82 29 күн бұрын

We honestly won’t know until GR finishes-

@Megor_connection101 28 күн бұрын

We’ll Just cause they were better and effective at conquest and making war because they had dragons doesn’t mean they were any more brutal or evil than any other house , andals or first men in Westeros especially towards there treatments towards the common or peasant populations. To say they were tyrants is A. An oversimplification of a dynasty of many different rulers that evolved over centuries. Also with shifting alliances etc because how can the Baratheons preach about conquest when they were elevated and participated because of the conquest in fact were supporters of Targaryen rule until Robert lost his chick. In fact the tullys, Tyrell’s were as well and the starks and Arryn surrendered without a fight. B. To me tyrant just means butt hurt losers who couldn’t match their dragons, and losers try to act more moral and righteous especially after the fact . But by some chance the guy in charge gets weak and they are eventually defeated, they become tyrants. It’s as simple as that. Savior=The loser who became the victor and Tyrant=victor who becomes the loser. Tyrant is like the term dictator it means something against the side I or people like me like. lol 🤷🏾‍♂️ The Starks didn’t unify the north over just diplomacy neither does any country or civilization in human history. I can say and frame the boltons betrayal of the starks as them fighting for freedom, fighting back against their feudal overlords who overlorded over them for thousands of years. You play the game of thrones you when or die. The Targaryen’s lost and that’s it. My opinion is the Targaryen’s we’re far too forgiving towards Westeros and there regressive systems like feudalism etc. when they could have established a more centralized system especially with there dragons but I digress . Also the half the Targaryen’s went mad thing was inaccurate. Only a few Targayen actually went mad and none of it had to do with incest but traumatic experiences. In conclusion Targaryen’s being tyrants argument come down to two reasons. 1: I don’t like the characters 2: Dragon riding kings in a feudal setting are not modern liberals like me. 😂

@jojomatike2469 22 күн бұрын

Couldn’t have said it better

@henosabraha2548 Ай бұрын

Like in real life the Line of good and evil is sometimes not there

@erikdeusenberry5307 14 күн бұрын

John Snow is half dragon born so a dragon would still save the day and bran is in combat terms just a powerful support unit he can't rule nothing so the narrative holds true also in the dance outside forces started the war by hiding the kings passing and removing one of their own council members for speaking up for what was settled long ago or could be avoided by one or two marriages.

@carastone3473 27 күн бұрын

The sound is very low

@Viyan48 23 күн бұрын

Without dragons they're same as any other houses And beneath Starks

@connor1734 Ай бұрын

Yo whats up with the audio? Sounds like your mic is across the hall?

@apacalypsagon3758 Ай бұрын

Oh they are evil. 100 percent. But that doesn't change the fact they made themselves an intrinsic part in westerosi civilization. They evil in the same way Dio from JoJo's bizarre took Jonathan's place in his own family tree and all the consequences that happened there. Not to mention how evil these characters tend to mention incest is. No matter if you are a Targaryen

@lonemotheo1964 29 күн бұрын

Like all families the’s good and bad in all of them

@erikdeusenberry5307 14 күн бұрын

Read the books everyone the shows take a lot of liberties with the source material think of the shows as a what if instead of a this is.

@King_Steffon_II Ай бұрын

King Maegor the Great did NOTHING wrong!

@terellchapman8737 Ай бұрын

Even Jaehaerys was a negative to Westerosi. I mean this is an old man killing boys because his daughter was acting reckless… not to mention the good old fashion High Valyrian exceptionalism doctrines.

@Rengokuo4o6 Ай бұрын

Nah, everyone knew that being careless with the princess gets you killed. If you're not betrothed to the princess and you're sleeping with her, the chapter is closed for you.

@terellchapman8737 29 күн бұрын

@ true but these are boys we are talking about… and there is a power dynamic here. Saera was manipulating and initiating most of it.

@Sir.Abdullah_Arabicus Ай бұрын

the valaryen are better

@tereza1959 Ай бұрын

They did more harm than good, the good things can only be credited to 2 rulers (jaehaerys i and daeron ii), and the only reason Westeros isn't a burned wasteland is because all the dragons died, if they still had their dragons its more likely they would destroy the entire continent than make it better.

@jankohn4827 26 күн бұрын

Well they had dragons for 130 years of their reign and onyl after the dance was there a burned wasteland, and that was only the riverlands, which where before the Targaryen conquest burned all few decades, because they are in the middle of everything and lack natural defences🤷‍♂️

@maelguiraud3568 13 күн бұрын

@@tereza1959 the realm did more harm than good