The "Teacher" vs. Jesus • Wisdom Ep. 4

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[@markwright3161]

I don't know if you will see this reply, but I'll try anyway. One of the comments left on this video by a channel 'GODFIRST' reads like one of those crypto/investment scams, but has twisted it's wording to blend in with this video more than they usually do. It has a long 33 reply thread that goes down the same back and forth that those bots seem to do, name dropping 'financial experts' that 'helped them earn more money', only this time they're throwing around 'God bless' and the like to blend in and I fear catch some well meaning people out, especially with the channel name and twisting the usually selfcentred reasons for earning more money into 'ability to support their church', etc. It is deeply concerning and I hope there's something that can be done on your end that is at least a little bit more effective than the 'report as misinformation or unwanted commercial content/spam' as I feel they're now much more serious than either of those titles suggest.

[@markwright3161]

Their channel appears to have only been started on the 5th of February 2023. They have 28 shorts on it, but I fear the possibility that they've been generated by AI, although I've not clicked on any of them to see more beyond the 'thumbnails' as I don't want KZbin pushing them on me anymore than it probably already will having went to their channel. Titles like 'Edit of Jesus pt1' don't sound right to me. On top of this they have 4 'movies that are demonic pt(x)', than in the titles are in order, '1', '2', '3', '4', but the image relating to them show inconsistent text, format and 'PT 1', 'PT 8', 'PT 17' and 'PT 7' respectively. I think more people need to know of this possibly being a new thing on KZbin. I've been struggling enough with Ecclesiastes without discovering this stuff going on as well. I paused halfway through because I feel stuck wanting to be able to do more than I'm equipped to (resources falling short of what's needed to do what's needed on our farm, as far as I can see it being possible, etc) despite feeling like I've already scaled back massively and yet still overwhelmed, etc, hence how I discovered that comment, which really didn't help given my mindset. That was probably more info than needed but the way my brain works, I may be on the Autism spectrum, I can't filter info/details very well. There's more to it that just that but this comment would be way too long if I try to explain it, as well as wondering way more off the original topic.

[@JoseRodriguez-it7zz]

You DO make money from "views" though, right?

[@markwright3161]

@@JoseRodriguez-it7zz That's not something they could just switch off even if they wanted to. It's not going to be that much if you think that's a problem. What they do earn that way is only going to go towards developing the various things they provide without any negative side for the viewer, so there's absolutely nothing wrong with that, even if you/they could earn a fortune from that alone. This stuff has to be funded somehow, app development, the more in depth 'classroom' stuff, etc. If they can fund as much of that as possible from unintrusive, non-customer-sourced funding then it's a win-win. It would be like winning a lottery or something without paying to enter or even needing to enter. We, the viewers, don't need to pay to view, nor pay in terms of time by sitting through adverts they've put in, so no matter how much they can earn from the 'views' it doesn't take anything extra from us.

[@keithwest6859]

I so enjoyed this conversation. It is illuminating to me, 68 years old man, and brings great perspective. Thanks again for doing this!

[@schlc77]

This is exactly what I needed. It helps me so much to understand exactly what I'm feeling and takes a huge burden off my chest. Prayer wasn't doing it alone but I guess the Lord guided me to this. Thanks for doing his work

[@schneblen]

Man. Them talking about how Tim's wife feels about suffering hit me because I've often felt like I was being tortured when I couldn't help where I wanted to. It's all about balance and I love that.

[@1NM2TFA3]

Ecclesiastes has always been my favorite book in the Bible. I’m so thankful for these deep dives you guys do.

[@inGodweTrust122]

Mine too. Always has been. Some of the lines and or passages within it are great by themselves but put together they contradict in a way that supports the culmination. For instance 7:16 -18. Do not be excessively righteous and do not be overly wise. Why should you ruin yourself? Do not be excessively wicked and do not be a fool. Why should you die before your time? It is good that you grasp one thing and also not let go of the other; for the one who fears god comes forth with both of them. By itself it's great but it kind of contradicts a further passage that also by itself is great, chapter 10:1-dead flies make a perfumers oil stink, so a little foolishness is weightier than wisdom and honor. Haha Wonderful contradictions that lead up to and further support the culminating moral of the story. Lean not on your own understanding. Fear God and keep his commandments. Anyway. Lots of good stuff in it. Don't listen to every word your servant speaks or you will hear him cursing you.

[@None-if3mo]

​@@inGodweTrust122 that's not contradiction, For example don't be too wise means don't think too highly of yourself

[@inGodweTrust122]

@@None-if3mo speaking of contradictions. Being too wise does not mean thinking too highly of yourself as humility is the beginning of wisdom.

[@letsdiscusslifematters]

So lovely.. you bring it out so well that you actually learn something useful... like cherish the moment you have got and give glory and honor to God! Hallelujah

[@Indorm]

When I was a teenager and discovered life's transience, I was so relieved to discover Ecclesiastes, because there was somebody else who understood that life is hevel.

[@Indorm]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 You need nothing but to hold out an empty hand to God in faith to be saved. Baptism is a beautiful way to declare your faith to the world, but I'm not a theologian or pastor, so I probably don't have the right language to explain what happens. People sometimes have life-changing spiritual experiences when they get baptised, but many Christians got baptised as babies, depending on the denomination you belong to.

[@andyvargas5249]

Praise to yah and out lord yeshua. Thanks guys this is awesome 🫶🏾🙏🏾💯

[@naturalbrunette07]

I really really enjoyed this series of Ecclesiastes especially part 2. Thanks fam All praise to the most high God ❤

[@astralscholar659]

This is really great. Happy Easter, Brothers. Glory to King Jesus

[@erojoseph604]

"There is beauty to things you can't control"

[@danapriess8860]

Thank you both for breaking scripture down for us. I needed to hear that I should cause myself to become upset that I can not help all those who ask, whether it be a person or organization. I get so many organizations asking for money. I see homeless people that I do help but can not help every one I see.

[@ikkinwithattitude]

The wisdom of Ecclesiastes seems to be best summed up as, "Everything fades. There are no other guarantees." The Lord Himself seemed to accept that as the truth of this world when He asked, "can any of you by worrying add a single hour to your span of life?" and commanded, "Do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will bring worries of its own. Today’s trouble is enough for today." Attempting to secure happiness in this life guarantees greater misery -- even if God lets you have everything you think you want! Finding satisfaction in accomplishing the eternal will of God in the present, in contrast, minimizes the experience of misery and futility in even an objectively painful life.

[@nicoantimo5393]

God bless us🙏🙏🙏

[@mathildadyramoti2550]

thank you for the wisdom

[@SommerJoy777]

❤ 34:18 Jessica's heart for the homless. Emotional response and desire to help. Helpful 😊

[@rizaracho1473]

I am enjoying this series! Such a treat! Thank you!

[@anal.mendoza]

Hi John andTm, May the Lord bless you all from Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic! I love this episode!

[@nicolewilliams2468]

Really, really great vid right when I needed it, years after it was made. 😊

[@marygrajeda8674]

Love the messages 💕. The words of the music playing in the background is difficult to listen over. Love all the rest.

[@rachelleruotolo]

I enjoy your podcast. What I am hearing is we really just need to walk in faith and not expect or think we deserve anything outside of what God has already intended for us.

[@rachelleruotolo]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 as I am learning I believe we are called to water baptism. It is a symbol of the death of our old self and becoming alive in Christ. The baptism of the Spirit is what is required. You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9 NIV

[@sammylacen1062]

Man so much wisdom here! God bless you! ❤

[@susanna6978]

I’m with Jessica. Driving around southeast Portland by riverside I saw lots of young people on drugs and messed up like they had no caring parents. I don’t know what to do. Then I realized only the rich can make a big difference and that whole thing about the wealthy. Jesus was saying the poor will always be with you. Might mean something else.

[@violetdilley1731]

hey your comment is from a year ago but I think I have something valuable to say. My friends and I (18-20 y/o, most without jobs) made a sizable impact on an area of homelessness in downtown Dallas. As a group we would get together ~$100 to make bags of food to hand out to the homeless people we saw as we walked around downtown Dallas. we also would search our closets for clothes we no longer wore. we would gather food and clothes together and talked to the people we gave these things to. We saw many people give their lives to Jesus and have renewed faith. So it might seem that way, that only the wealthy can help, but some of the most appreciated things we gave to the people was our time to listen to them. just wanted to encourage you a little bit. if you have a heart for it you really can help even if its just a little bit. ❤ God Bless!

[@tonnymarrufo123]

Man, that was such an awesome conversation , thank you! You made me understand this gloomy book a bit more, God bless y'all

[@tonnymarrufo123]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 no, baptism is to demonstrate and show to the world that you love Jesus. Remember that the criminal crucified next to Jesus was saved just by believing in Jesus.

[@Hanrich146]

This is so so so good

[@19snoopy64]

Really interesting discussion. I liked how you also drew upon eastern ideas too. It would be interesting to know if these ideas were arrived at separately or if they evolved independently.

[@paulw317]

Strangely enoughbi had more laffs listening to you both conversing over this book than any of the more serious book talks 😃🐥

[@garybogard5303]

So live in the moment,don’t forget the past and learn from it,and don’t worry about tomorrow.

[@sammieakan9115]

Monday always comes😂. Oh my chest!

[@juvichdevotional9065]

Thank you for sharing

[@marypayne2588]

This is such a good video. I think the bottom line is we can never understand completely how God is working. Fair is only fair if we have all the facts. And we don’t.

[@lestermason2687]

The Tempest - perhaps Shakespeare's last word

[@paulw317]

Love you guys keep up the good fight ☺️

[@kellykade]

One of my favorite books! Thanks for the study 😀

[@inGodweTrust122]

The biggest take I get from Ecclesiastes is that it's not about you. Meaning the entire book is framed as what's in it for me? And it's constantly countered with everything is meaningless because I do good and don't get paid but evil man do evil and he does get paid ect. Like you clock in and god owes you money or something. God is good whether you exist or not. Whether you serve him or not. Ect. He doesn't owe anyone anything. I like how this book establishes that and walks the reader through the faulty scope until it comes to the conclusion.

[@chirho777]

Bible Project is the bomb! May not be near great breweries.. ok... I stopped enjoying Guinness a couple years ago? but okay! Maybe, just maybe i'll have another one before I transition outta here 😊 but if not that's ok too! My prayer is to continue growing and be thankful for the precious life given to me and that there is a great plan and purpose for my life (w/o) murmuring or complaining 😌🙌🏽🙏🏽

[@Burp23461]

God loves you all

[@MrChipathenIsMyDoggo]

And here is one of the few remaining places on the internet where people are actually kind to each other. That’s why I like the BibleProject community. There’s almost no toxicity there. It’s so refreshing honestly. God bless everyone of you in this community, all of you are awesome! ❤️

[@TheCreepypro]

help us Lord to do your will but not be overly righteous!

[@miked2436]

Nicely Done!!👌🏽👍🏾👍🏾

[@anthonylemanski9032]

Great discussion. Great content.

[@anthonylemanski9032]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 I can’t speak For the Almighty. With that said I don’t think you have to be physically baptized in water to be saved. If that were the case my belief is that sacraments would be necessary. Making the work of Christ not needed. Which we all know is not the case.

[@liltwix3010]

In the beginning was the Light the Light has always existed the Light will always exist because the Light can never die

[@shanazhu2673]

You guys are the best 🎉💙God bless you 💙

[@LuyanduthandoGcwabaza]

great work guys but can you please do the song of songs because you mentioned that it was also part of the wisdom literature.

[@guodaripinskaite6314]

This was incredible. Thank you

[@punisherlee]

There's a beauty to the things you can't control. But it doesn't mean we should be apathetic because there are things that we CAN control.

[@leostokes]

Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air; And like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capped towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve, And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep.

[@nelsontragura1441]

Solomon was being guided by the wisdom given to him. In the New Testament it is revealed that Jesus is the knowledge of God that was presented to the people of that time, and in today to us of different races who fear the Lord (Father) as written in the Bible. Ecclesiastes, he was saying that there was no one who contributed to the wisdom in Israel before his time. The same can be said with John the Baptist. The difference is as a king and as a priest Jesus reigns forever, even to this day.

[@paulw317]

Feel so much better towards the end going to have a pint of beer one day with you 🥰

[@tashawoody4013]

this was great, you guys!

[@paulw317]

Well thanks just what I needed a good ol' pep talk to encourage me April come quick💐🌄🐣

[@bethmallis2508]

My 27 year old husband just killed himself 8 months ago and I struggle not to let it overtake me. This video has given me momentary peace. I send these videos to people as well. Absolutely lightening to one's soul. I hope to become one with God.

[@yungwolf9789]

I pray that the God of all comfort will comfort you now and forever 🙏🙏

[@kingskid2036]

I LOVE Bible Project

[@vickikendricks1605]

What a treat!!

[@eklypised]

Yeshua brought in the 2nd Covenant God promised offering Salvation to all. The last and perfect sacrifice. Breaking the veil allowing his spirit to now dwell in us who believe.

[@ruthie_chie]

I love you guys. And I love the passion you have for this project. This is really a blessing for me because I do have a desire to learn but because of my dyslexia and other things I’m just not good at learning through reading even though I try. But with this podcast. I feel I can understand and learn like I’ve wanted to. But if you may allow me, to critique your critique of the critic 😅. Around 44:08 you think he’s saying that, ‘somehow I can see my life as a gift from God’ It seems to me you could be sugar coating the critic a bit, I don’t think he ever comes right out and says, ‘ my life is a gift from God’ rather he does often say this, this, that, food, drinks, happiness, etc, these are gifts from God. 😊 I wish I was able to learn from you guys in person or something. Have a blessed day

[@rabiayousaf6054]

Amazing!❤

[@hsi-enlee-ez8fh]

Hi John and Tim. It was great to hear you guys talk through the whole book. But where is the part of Jesus? I expected a counterpoint from the New Testament but didn’t find it.

[@mario.migneault]

​@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 baptism ia a sign like cicunsision was a sign for Israel. Abraham believed and then waa circumsized. Water baptism was used for purification by ancient jews. The symbolism from the bible is that humans can not live underwater and in the sea represemted chaos i ancient jew mind. from chaos to god's order

[@mario.migneault]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 please start by doing a word search with" baptize"..... their is no magic in the water, it is a spriritual & social sign....water does not wash away sins, but true repentance and siding and obeying Jesus Yahwey. bless you. brother.

[@brittanywade2008]

3:38 omg that me😂 then I’ll tone it down and say ohhhh good😂

[@thepilgrimofficial]

Interesting!

[@teresamaligaya-apolencia]

In the New Heaven and the New Earth there is no need for the sun as stated in the Book of Revelation: And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, and its gates will never be shut by day-and there will be no night there. They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. Rev. 21:22‭-‬26 ESV And there is no sea anymore: Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. Rev. 21:1 ESV

[@ruthie_chie]

41:53 is basically trick yourself into pretending that bad things are good. I like it but it works for me to get through my life pretending. But I shouldn’t have a child and make them suffer and force them to have to pretend life is good when it’s bad too.

[@joshuahampton6141]

I don't know that that's quite what they were saying. I think it's supposed to focus more on realizing that we have faulty perspectives. Yeah, work may be hard. But you are still breathing, and breathing is great! You still have the opportunity to love and care about people that don't deserve it, and that's great, too! It's saying "I am blessed with more than I deserve", and learning to view life through that lense.

[@prosoporific]

What is background music's makes Brain feel better.. I sometimes feel sick music helps..

[@PsalmsofDillon]

Music is in the description. Hope you’ve been feeling better 😎🤝😎

[@servant698]

God is the author

[@SommerJoy777]

36:12 Touch on Agnostics. We need to be reminded the bible is an Eastern Mindset.This Reminded me of someone who i watched in an interview, who worked for google and the invention of A.I. He quit when he realized they had gone too far. He is a budist and came bsck to his spiritual idea. His response to where we are now. ( the perfect storm) was "go and kiss your kids" . Should not our urgency be to Share Who Jesus when He presents opportunities? Thats such an area of frustration with myself. To be honest i have received freely so why am i not freely giving? ZEN VS TRUTH My own convictions and i wonder how many other share that? Am i alone in this? Does anyone else feel that? Forgive the mess please. I can barely read my writings. Too small

[@joshuareeves5103]

Have you considered putting your content on Rumble?

[@J-GUT]

I’m think this is just a written experience of the human ups and downs internally. I think the bible calls us to do more than what’s “just in front of us” because it’s what’s God calls us to do. I don’t think slowing down for self preservation and letting things go is good bc God throws us things that only we can Handle even though we fail. I would love to hear your thought on this.

[@J-GUT]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 Short answer its better to be baptized but no not necessarily. If you can then you really should

[@fionafung6873]

Amen

[@Srt8Jeep]

I have a hard time focusing with the one guy constantly interrupting the other. I don’t think he finished one sentence without the other guy saying or gesturing something during his speaking. Something to think about

[@JoseRodriguez-it7zz]

Why do you guys have SOOO MANY commercials? 😫

[@bongiperez7565]

Hey Guys😂 Execuse my question but when will the animated series come back

[@sissyc6754]

Music playing in background while the commentators are talking, is a bit too loud and is a distraction.

[@davidnajor7536]

I thought in Hebrew language that when they said forever that's just the idea of like way past the mountains farther than you can see like it's just passed a time or you can experience so does that really mean forever or we just writing that thinking that they really mean forever or did they just mean a long time from them that they wouldn't know of?

[@debavevienneoulai7166]

what's the name of the song playing in the beginning?

[@PsalmsofDillon]

Some of the songs are in the description 👍 not sure if it’s the one your looking for though

[@Redeemyrrh]

What program do you use to do your illustrations?

[@joedatuknow]

❤🙏

[@bpjones2]

Great video but a deceiving title...

[@alanrouse1]

Someone please explain to me what is meant by "heavil"

[@alanrouse1]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 Jesus notably didnot answer that question (Mark 16:16) But he commanded evangelists to baptize their converts (Mat 28:18). Those who do not are in direct disobedience to the command.

[@mario.migneault]

Caim or Havel... 🎉😅 proverbs plays on Genesis ?

[@SahitDagani]

Hey Tim watched your sermon and you kept saying Gay related stuff as if it's okay?

[@SahitDagani]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 Baptism shows that your past is buried a new has begun. There are some people who might not be able to get baptized for them baptism by rubbing oil would be enough. However, God looks at a person's heart so if you are able to then get baptized if you physically can't then you can be baptized by fire by the Lord.

[@carlcisc1706]

I do not like the recurrent interruptions with music. Shorten these. I do not like that you tubers are not cognizant of listeners time. I do not need YOU to waste my time I have problems doing this myself. I have cancelled many KZbinrs who do this repeatedly…save music till end for contemplation. I do not mindlessly gabby that other KZbinrs do. Your discussions are good just remember that I have limited vapors too.

[@PsalmsofDillon]

I watch most KZbin videos in “2x” speed especially ones this long. It makes the whole process go by faster and I feel I can concentrate more. Some people don’t like the fast pace talking but I highly recommend you try this once 👍

[@josephsantiz8711]

If you feel like you don't have time to take time to study for God then just don't, you don't have to make it the fault of others. They do a great job on their videos

[@chancylvania]

I just ready Ecclesiastes last night. It’s an odd one

[@prosoporific]

I like study.. I think if I can exist today maybe I may exist tomorrow.. perhaps if I'm good today it will prepare me to be of good tomorrow.. death maybe but I exist today.. maybe tomorrow I may be.

[@Steve-zy9uh]

Whatever!!!... I'm a spirit, in a human "animal" body... When my body dies, my spirit WILL CONTINUE... So, I never really die.. UNLESS, YOU BELIEVE IN HEAVEN AND HELL.. Then, if I my body dies, without, belief in CHRIST THE SAVIOR, Then my spirit will burn up... (To be continued)... 🙏😁✌️

[@truthtalker4711]

So this is where the Stoics got memento mori.

[@bruced6543]

Is the teacher Solomon?

[@spaceghost9969]

If you would ever be open to a stream I would like to discuss the links into other myths and legends that the bible ties into. For example, did you know that Ables sacrifice of fat and bone was a rule set in place by a trick that Prometheus played on Zeus? I do think there is a pecking order where Odins family is higher than Olympus who maybe what we refer to as demons. How do their journeys differ from our own and where we can find the proper similarities to guide me on my path to the golden apples.

[@el.garci.a]

Better stick to the biblical point of views and be careful with the other 'gods' / that r demons or nephilim that walked the earth

[@wallymccurls9800]

​@@el.garci.a well said

[@spaceghost9969]

@@el.garci.a you had to be the guy? You think this just slipped consideration? The rule of the commandment is no gods BEFORE and for good reason, most people simply can’t be trusted not to be absolute whores for their souls at the first sight of Apollo. Apparently it was such a problem that a great sacrifice was made!

[@spaceghost9969]

@@el.garci.a maybe you should stop pretending you care about people by requesting their ignorance for your comfort, it’s yucky.

[@spaceghost9969]

@@wallymccurls9800 it’s not well said at all, he’s incapable of even identifying a single one of them which is simply a pattern of ignorance you shouldn’t encourage. So is Zeus Baal? Is it that simple of a yes or no question. Is Ares Marduk? You can’t just hide behind Jesus to shoot down people asking questions like this, he surely does not appreciate it.

[@JonGreen91]

Deep time is a scientific myth.

[@omicrondec]

Billions of years before Adam means death and suffering before "The Fall." This isn't compatible with the message of the Bible of a loving God.

[@SommerJoy777]

51:57 just stop Running long distances.

[@hillyyy9]

Why did you decide to post this at exactly 3AM EST? 🥴

[@juvichdevotional9065]

Its 3pm here in our country 🥰

[@pearlwhite7157]

@@juvichdevotional9065 😘😘😘

[@pearlwhite7157]

What difference does it make??? We are supposed to Pray without Ceasing 💖💖💖

[@hillyyy9]

@@pearlwhite7157 it’s just an innocent question 🤷🏼‍♀️ no malicious intent behind it. Just genuine curiosity why they have it set up that way. Is it beneficial? Do more eyes see it? Is it strategical? Just info I want to know for personal reasons. Sorry you took it as a “diss” but not my intent. No judgement here. God bless ❤️

[@Dominknows]

30:00 👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽

[@vtvgaming751]

🫶🏼

[@naturalbrunette07]

Eat the meat, spit out the bones

[@icecoldlemonade3939]

Didn’t realize you guys supported lgbtq stuff. Very sad. I pray that you and everyone else on your team one day repents and chooses to teach the WORD and not alter the WORD in order to appeal to people who are wrapped up in sin. I loved your videos and an heart broken to find out you don’t practice what you supposedly teach. The path is narrow. Marriage is between a man and a woman and we are to procreate and spread new life to the world. Anything else is an abomination. The truth hurts.

[@joshuahampton6141]

This is a big rumor going around that's largely untrue. If you can link or reference a relevant interview or sermon, that would be more helpful, but in all of his sermons in particular, Tim seems to have nothing for reverence for God's definition of marriage, and I don't think the views or statements of anyone else at the Bible Project are public, as far as I know.

[@timsebold3662]

Babbling bullshit and you didn't even bring up Jesus

[@hippykiller2775]

Ecclesiasties is right if the only form of reality and truth is human made.

[@hippykiller2775]

@@BENJAMINJAMESSMITH2000 no, true salvation is in the spirt of God. Even John the Baptist said as much.

[@g.g2248]

I would like to say this and ses if they read this but youn videos are great but I'm sorry I think you need someone who has gone through real shit in life and has real understanding of the bible and has loves this way there entire life ans have really lived and done with the word say. No offense but I can see you all did not suffer in life and have resl life experience to speak about the bible this way. U need a real and a person who has been through so much to make these conversations about the bible more real