The TEEN TITANS of the DC Animated Universe - Who Are They?

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When "Static Shock" decided to fling the Titans into existence in the DCAU, we all waited for the day we'd finally get to see them...and it never came. So...who could have possibly been on this team? Let's a-find out. [Cue Mr. Owl eating Tootsie Pop]
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[@dcauwatchtower]

Hey. Hey you. Psst. The aliens from “Secret Origins”? They ain’t the White Martians. 😊

[@dcauwatchtower]

Tyler Trypus The unaired “Justice League” pilot! You can find it on the JL DVD box set or on KZbin!

[@thelittlepasty8360]

What are they then whaaaat

[@dcauwatchtower]

The Little Pasty An unknown alien race led by the Imperium. Give the episode a rewatch: it’s great!

[@saulchapa5522]

Watchtower Database hey what clips was 0:35 from ?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Saul Chapa Check the above response!

[@vigilantereviews1846]

It's unfortunate that we never saw the DCAU Teen Titans. That being said, I would never trade the show we got instead for a Titans set in the connected universe. The Teen Titans show that ended up airing was very special and important to me, it still is.

[@jessy1652]

Ok

[@Celtic1020]

Yeah well that's the fun part. You wouldn't lose that. It was going to tie in originally. The different art style and everything was still part of it. All that keeps it from being canon is any actual mention.

[@13AndreFalcao666]

I always hated that show. It never felt actual DC to me. They wore uniforms eating pizza, had no secret identity whatsoever and it always felt a bit ridiculous that Robin and Starfire were clearly a couple and they didn't even share a room.

[@thedoglovinggamer5825]

@@13AndreFalcao666You better say that you’re talking about Teen Titans Go.

[@13AndreFalcao666]

@@thedoglovinggamer5825 paraphrasing TTGo cyborg "They're a failure, you're trying to be serious like the DCAMU, but they're almost almost as dumb as TTGo"

[@infinityalbi9840]

"Miss Martian. Who almost definitely doesn't exist..." ***less than a year later*** "Justice League vs. The Fatal Five" - featuring Miss Martian.

[@unknownuser2897]

Infinity Albi Does that mean Miss Martian might have been a Titan after all?

[@littlepenguinasksaboutclim1286]

@@unknownuser2897 will in the movie spoil alert batman trains Miss Martian to be a Justice League memeber she could've of been in teen titans memeber before. But who knows

[@thecrimsonghostakathefiend7508]

The white martians also showed up ,in a justice leauge two parter .

[@infinityalbi9840]

@@thecrimsonghostakathefiend7508 when?

[@thecrimsonghostakathefiend7508]

@@infinityalbi9840 apparently i was mistaken the squishy aliens,arent the white martians lol

[@Mister-Thirteen]

My theory is that "with the Titans" is implying Tim is working alongside Nightwing for *his* titans team. Likely including Starfire, Cyborg, Beastboy and maybe possibly Raven and a handful of others. It makes sense that batman would want Tim to learn from Dick given their shared history as robins.

[@Eduardo-ll7eg]

This makes sense, plus he calls em Titans as well, obviously it’s not that relevant but it can be used to imply they’re older by now.

[@The_Blue_Otaku]

I'd like to think that this version of the Titans are mostly a mix of new teen heros but having the founding members aka Nightwing, Starfire, Cyborg, Speedy and Beastboy as the leaders who teach the yonger teenage heros how to work as a team and help improve their skills

[@DrBachur]

2:55 Oh, of course, Batman's classic... uh... Milwaukee accent? Yeah, sure, nailed it.

[@omarkarim2280]

Yeah man! Can’t believe Conroy got it so wrong! I think it’s best we forget that Batman since he didn’t even try doing the accent!

[@DrBachur]

That's right, Jay!

[@joshspaceman]

Ybn Jay well I mean I understand that it was edited, but it seemed very seamless and I thought that was really cool.

[@zyaicob]

I was so sure he was gonna end that sentence with "eh"

[@0n1baka]

To add to the confusion Michael Rosenbaum voiced Flash in Justice League and Kid Flash in Teen Titans.

[@bl5533]

Maximus Prime he loves flash

[@zyaicob]

Fun.

[@zyaicob]

@Maximus Prime ughhh more

[@elbarto3599]

What's confusing about that ? Both were Wally west, so that's why they got Michael Rosenbaum to voice him on TT. TT was in separate Universe considering Dick was Robin on that show.

[@jaylenjayden9305]

@@elbarto3599 still adds up to confusion across the internet

[@PopeFireTheStarfireGod]

We see Gordanians, starfire exist.

[@lugbzurg8987]

We see Starfire waitress costume; we KNOW she's out there! I want to believe... in this particular alien.

[@thewerewolff7248]

he literally says both of these things in the video please for the love of god watch the full video before commenting i don't understand why people find that so hard

[@lugbzurg8987]

And...? We never said that he didn't. We're responding, affirming what we saw. It sounds more as if you should finish reading a comment before you reply.

[@thewerewolff7248]

but its just a waste of time! whats the point of repeating information that all parties should already know. its pointless. also the last thing you said makes no sense. obviously i read the full comment.

[@RadinV1]

Not necessarily

[@aliaubreyswink6767]

The kid flash in the flash museum is probably a early costume that the flash wore when him first started or something. Like Batman in the mask of the phantasm when with the costume he has that’s not the one from btas.

[@falleneldor]

If The Gray Ghost was Batman's hero and John was inspired by the Green Gurdsman. Perhaps Wally's first costume was a Halloween costume of The Streak's sidekick: Streak Jr.? Zippy The Teen? Fast Lad? Quick Foot Kid? Lil Hermes? Superfeetsdon'tfailmenow Boy? Oh I got it: The Brave Bolt. Yup "The Streak & The Brave Bold" has a perfect Golden/Silver age vibe.

[@RyanConIon]

The kid flash could’ve been Bart Allen but he only helped out a few times before he returned to the future so he just “disappeared”

[@erzascarlette8124]

"This team also included Jason Todd's Robin, who we know doesn't exist in the DCAU." Oh the joy of rewatching old episodes and being all "Ha! You thought!" when stuff like this happens because guess who exists now

[@zerowing3213]

This topic has bothered me since I heard that line over 10 years ago... Thanks watchtower

[@lugbzurg8987]

And now you get to remember it all over again!

[@zerowing3213]

Hopefully with the new streaming service from DC we will get another dcau series of cartoon's or spin offs... That would make the 75$ per year worth it

[@anibalm93]

Zerowing 321 same! That line still keeps me up at night till this very day

[@bigstunna2049]

Michael Rosenbaum said at a panel that he wants a Smallville animated series hopefully that could come on the streaming service

[@hubbabubba2570]

Same

[@PhatGirlLuvr68Comix]

Sounds like the DCAU needs a Crisis event.

[@majortom331]

That's what crisis on two earths was supposed to be.

[@Dave102693]

Arrowverse needs that BAD

[@FirstLast-yh7gj]

They really should to reboot the animated universe for movies and shows

[@luminus9556]

Nah, more like a Prime punch to retcon some inconsistencies.

[@CayeDaws]

I think it's ended perfectly fine..not every DC canon needs to end with a crisis

[@comixproviderftw_02]

A message to WB Animation; PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP PUTTING RANDOM COSTUMES AS EASTER EGGS IN THE BACKGROUND! ANIMATION ERROR OR NOT.

[@SpencerN.C.]

It could almost be an episode of Watchtower Database at this point.

[@Anti-HyperLink]

Why?

[@SpencerN.C.]

Because it breaks the brains of us uber-nerdy types who need to try to explain things, even when they clearly aren't supposed to fit into continuity...

[@charlesintune]

@@SpencerN.C. Another message for WB Animation: Keep doing it- it makes us uber fans feel loved. It's fun. :)

[@SuperSwimTeam7]

Call me crazy, I know he's never referenced, but I think the Kid Flash suit implies that Barry Allen was Flash prior to Wally, it's possible that Wally was still Kid Flash. The reasoning is that in Brave and the Bold Flash has a bunch of hallucinations as well, maybe the fear of not being able to live up to his predecessor made him imagine himself in Barry's shoes, since he lives in Barry's shoes every day he's on the team.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Possibly! That does go along with the whole “someone is telling a story” costume discrepancy thing.

[@falleneldor]

In my mind John Wesley Shipp (1s live Action TV Flash from 1991) should voice Barry Allan. I'd have him in a wheelchair much the way John Stewart was in the 90's comics. If they ever did any "Special edition" type meddling, I'd get him to re-voice The Flash we see in STAS. We already know Hal Jordan exists as Green Lantern along some version of an alternate timeline in the DCAU thanks to Once and Future Thing. I'd like to think the "Brave and the Bold" Flash and GL that started the Silver Age revolution are retired in the DCAU due to the effects of some timeline altering Crisis...

[@tomatooverlord2764]

I'd just like to point out there were several DCAU tie-in Justice League novels (not comics) a while back. It's been years, but I remember one of them in particular mentioned that Wally was taught by Barry Allen, who held the mantle of Flash before him. The novels are most likely non-canon, but they do still introduce the possibility of Barry in the DCAU.

[@13AndreFalcao666]

In Brazil, the voice actor for Flash had a much lower voice register in his appearance in STAS. He was also written totally diferent. So, to me, it was always obvious Barry had hung the cowl by "Secret Origins"

[@buckybarnes33]

“Superhero hooters.” Best line ever.

[@NdieCity]

What if when batman said "you'll meet them someday", he wasn't really talking to Static, but the audience? Since the TT cartoon was still in development, maybe it was meant as a sort of in-joke?

[@loganmenchaca]

They should make a DCAU Titans feature film considering the fact they made Batman and Harley Quinn last year, can someone please make this happen? Please? I want more DCAU content 😭 (And done right of course)

[@tochiokeke5478]

I heard they might do one if they get A LOT of money from the Teen Titans Go! Movie.

[@probot6515]

Damien Moloson it's not worth it.

[@oreggieo4357]

BatBrickFlicks

[@EmperorMays]

Pro bot, I think it is very worth it. I mean it's what, only $5 to go see the movie. I've also seen a lot of reviews for the movie as well, and some of them say it isn't that bad. There's also a teaser trailer at the post-end credits of the ORIGINAL Teen Titans.

[@samuellp65]

Damien Moloson the new 52 teen Titans movies are good enough

[@someoneimsure]

2:55 "Aw yeah..." - Batman from New York

[@antony3877]

I honestly assume the Kid Flash suit is just Wally's proto suit.

[@xyz360400]

I always kinda thought it would be neat if Galatea would have had a change of heart after the whole Cadmus arc was completed, especially after Supergirl left for the future in season 2 (and assuming Galatea survived, though being a clone of Supergirl I don't see how electricity could kill her) and maybe became Powergirl and possibly even eventually joined the JLU (after season 2, obviously), but if this hypothetical change of heart did occur, it makes it a possibility that she could have signed on with the Titans as a means of learning how to be a 'real' hero (rather than a soldier/weapon who just follows orders and takes pleasure in the suffering of her enemies). That would also explain her similarities to the character upon which she was based from the comics (i.e. Powergirl) and the fact that a Powergirl representation existed in the not-Hooters scene in the Batman and Harley movie. Of course it's all just speculation as you say though, and in reality it was just a name drop in a single episode which itself was a crossover between shows whose interlaced continuity was questionable at best (especially since Bang Babies are never ever referenced, mentioned or seen ever outside of Static crossover episodes other than Static himself when shown in time travel episodes of JLU). It's a lot like Inhumans in the MCU, actually, especially when the Netflix shows are taken into account. Shield should be everywhere checking out these powered individuals as possible threats/Inhumans, yet 0 crossovers or mentions. The DCAU had the same problem with the whole Bang Baby thing, but at least they had the excuse that the area of effect was limited to basically one city (but still). Either way, it would have been neat to have had a DCAU incarnation of the Titans I think, especially if it was developed by the same creative team behind JL/JLU etc.

[@EmmanuelMarin07]

That 'tell me why not' at the end made me laugh more than it should.

[@bruh4812]

“Ms. Martian isn’t in the dcau.” - James Strecker

[@dcauwatchtower]

WELL SHE WASNT THEN

[@BlueBomberGamerOficial]

12:43 Couldnt the yellow flash suit be just wally first costume and he change that later to his regular costume,being a reference to his first apparition in comics???

[@NIDELLANEUM]

9:49 After "Justice League VS The Fatal Five" this line gets ironic

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yarp

[@BiggestDoucheEver]

I'm pretty sure Speedy would be the leader of team. But then that asks another question.....Does the Outsiders exist in the DCAU?

[@loganmenchaca]

Wag Man good question

[@falleneldor]

Outside of Metamorpho I do not think any other member is featured or alluded to in DCAU. Black Lighting came close, bt was rewritten into "Soul Power" in the Static Shock episode. Alt Universe evil versions do appear in Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths which was originally written to be in DCAU, but got rewritten and and different animation style due to editorial interference. It was originally sandwiched between JL season 2 and JLU Season 1 as an in universe explanation for where Wonder Woman got her Invisible Jet and why the League made such a massive expansion effort. They do of course play heavily in Batman: Brave and the Bold and will be a a main focus in the forthcoming Young Justice: Outsiders on the DC Streaming App.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

the real question, do the outlaws exist (after all we have speedy and starfire [who seems closer to outsiders starfire then titans starfire])

[@mohammadadrianrahmanekoput3169]

Actually speedy is crossing across both titan's universe and jlu universe, if u see the costume both is so familliar

[@jonbrewer297]

I mean, the original Outsiders team was Batman's. But the question is, Roy created the new Outsiders to try to get Dick's mind off Donna's death. Eh, I thought it a power play to bring as many characters as possible under the bat-banner.

[@superlol178]

I think Cyborg is a strong maybe... If we ever see more of the DCAU they would problaby shove the character somewhere around the universe...And I think the Titans would be the best place to do it.

[@Sjono]

Wally West was on both Teen Titans & Justice League and it’s never stated they’re the same incarnation

[@dcauwatchtower]

Correct.

[@batman369able]

True. It's just assumed because of the supposed flashback from The Brave and The Bold

[@LunaLycorisLives]

“The white martians don’t exist in this universe” isn’t the white martian invasion the entire reason the league formed in the first place?

[@dcauwatchtower]

Those weren’t technically the White Martians. They were an unknown alien race led by the Imperium.

[@LunaLycorisLives]

I get what you’re saying, I just always kinda thought they a reimagined version of the white martians, as the DCAU loved doing it’s own spin on characters and concepts

[@dcauwatchtower]

Oh sure! They definitely are. Which I suppose means we COULD say Miss Martian might exist, as one of those aliens. But we may never know...

[@LunaLycorisLives]

Yeah lol. It’s kinda like the Raven and Cyborg thing, they might exist, but there’s no real canonical evidence

[@vigilantereviews1846]

Fantastic video. You gave great explanations and your coverage and knowledge of the comics and cannon is second to none!

[@michaelbrent854]

Hi I'm back. I think Spider-Man and Danny Phantom are my favorite because they are teenage Superheroes that don't have mentor to teach them .

[@matthewheuel2508]

Batman Nightwing & Harley. had a little cannon movie adapted years after JLU ended why can’t we get one where Tim Drake meets and forms the titans. Even if the titans was a failed experiment. It’d be nice to see the continuity flow nicely. # keepepilogueasecret

[@SpaceTaste]

Matthew Heuel that'd be sick!!

[@matthewheuel2508]

Space Taste right? I’d love for it to end as robin is flying through Gotham alone when he famously says “hero time” very grim idea but kind of really exiting.

[@KairuHakubi]

You're telling me that thing was canon? but.. eeew.. just eew, right? wasn't it?

[@michaelsemenak8878]

Yes thanks I have been waiting so long thanks alot

[@dusanstojsin4938]

James: Miss Martian doesn't exist in the DCAU Bruce Timm, Eric Carrasco, etc. : Are you sure about that?

[@dcauwatchtower]

TELL ME ABOUT IT

[@mrmercy554]

I would love this version of the team not saying the ones we got aren’t great but I would like to see how they reacted to one another

[@Early666]

3:28 Hahaha! "... amorphous nonsense akin to the yellow batsuit of shame."

[@arcade5468]

Glad I found this channel. I love it!

[@fuckmasterskeletor9326]

They need to make a new DCAU movie about the Teen Titans. would be cool. And have a little nod to static shock teasing that he might get recruited in the future, or hell, make it start out with Static Shock joining the already established Teen Titans like they did with the DC New 52 animated movie with Damian Wayne Robin.

[@zyaicob]

I love coming back to old WDB videos and hearing them talk about how white martians/Miss Martian aren't in the DCAU because it feels like opening a hilarious and frustrating time capsule

[@SpadePyro]

My theory is the original Titans was just a club of sidekicks and teen superheroes to just hang out and since Dick and Wally are huge dorks they gave it the name "Teen Titans". Dick told Tim about this later and Tim made an actual team

[@calebbarnhouse496]

It would feel more natrual to me if titans was a designation given to superheros on a waiting list to enter the justice league proper, sort of like a national guard unit, they'll have there duties, but unless things are really bad they are given safer assignments while being free of the more critical aspects of the league proper

[@walterobrien8045]

Idk why but this has become a comfort video for me

[@battletoys1645]

Nowadays the word "Titans" were grayson's group, jason in the outlaws, tim in young justice, damian in teen titans. Where titans academy is headed by grayson

[@TheRockManX]

But what if due to some weird rip in space and time James and the rest of the watch tower data base crew end up in a universe where the dcau titans exist and the yellow batman beyond suit exists along with other charcaters not shown in our timeline universe thingy.

[@numbers93]

HOLY MOLEY THE YELLOW BAT SUIT OF SHAME. HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THAT

[@ARCtrooperblueleader]

Great video. That possible line-up of heroes you made is my canon Titans. xD

[@isiano10]

Quality content buddy!

[@Blazinginsquids]

8:42 whenever cartoon characters do that I just say it’s a lazy eye

[@neptuneplaneptune3367]

Honestly the Kid Flash costume is easeleye explained. Its what Wally was wearing first, a sort of Proto Flash Suit before he decided on the red suit. Its what makes the most sense in my eyes.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Check out our new Barry Allen video!

[@absolutelybrokengaming6147]

Okay so mini rant: This was my first time ever watching one of your videos and i absolutely loved it! I loced how informative and factual it is despite it being essentially a theory video and i loved your delivery. And as a writer myself, i have dived into the world of fanfiction more times than i can count and i have had this exact same thought going through my head since i was about 13 like i never understood why Static never met the Titans on screen but did in comics at least i didnt until i watched your video! Keep up the good work liked and subbed!!

[@dcauwatchtower]

Jerel McPhearson Thank you!

[@abbyhurd]

I think wally might work as adult supervision for the titans, like a sidegig for credit with his Justice League work, that and i think he'd like working with the titans

[@lucid3944]

I’d love to see static in the art style of the old teen titans animated series

[@brennicolas3093]

This is the only video on KZbin I could find that showed that clip from Static Shock and you have no idea how grateful I am to finally see it, nobody believed me and even I started to think I had made it up.

[@BrickChick]

Hey I just starting watching your vids , this one and the hawkgirl one and I might binge them . I've been working on fan comics to fit in any plot holes, gaps, or anything like that . Your vids are kinda super helpful in the project and just wanted to drop you a thanks.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Thank YOU! If you haven’t already, be sure to check out OUR ongoing fan webcomic, “Legacies of the DCAU”! legaciesdcau.com

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

We know that Two-Face exists, so Joker's Daughter (who is, confusingly, actually Two-Face's daughter) could also be a viable member. And while we've never seen anything to make us think Mal Duncan exists, we also don't see anything to confirm he _doesn't._

[@christiancrusader9374]

NoJusticeNoPeace And twoface had a girlfriend before he was deformed.

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

+Will N I'm not sure I accept that as canon. I was referring to the pre-Crisis Duela Dent (the post-Crisis Duela Dent is a mess), and we never get confirmation of Nightwing's deduction except the completely unreliable agreement by Duela herself, who never provides any additional information.

[@christiancrusader9374]

NoJusticeNoPeace isn't it the creators who decide what's canon?

[@NoJusticeNoPeace]

+christian crusader Yes and no. George Lucas can claim Greedo shot first all he likes, but we all know the _real_ canon. At a certain point characters become archetypal and take on their own identity apart from their creators, which is why no matter how many times they try to reinvent Superman, he keeps stubbornly reverting to his true identity. But all of that aside, in this case they didn't actually establish Duela's identity. They just had Dick deduce she couldn't be whom she claimed to be, and Duela agreeing. But Dick could be wrong and Duela was established to be a _highly_ unreliable source, so we never actually know for sure. I think in this case the uncertainty was by design, which is why I think _uncertainty_ is canon and we _can't_ know for sure because we're not supposed to.

[@christiancrusader9374]

NoJusticeNoPeace that makes sense. So joker's daughter is just like the joker in that she has multiple possible backstories.

[@nicolasbazzano2028]

Poor Donna, she just can't get any Animated Titans love whether it's DCAU or non DCAU. By the way, I absolutely love the DCAU Supergirl, such a great character.

[@13AndreFalcao666]

Speedy was probably among the titans, too. As he's clearly parted ways with Ollie and is just the right age to join the JLU just by the time of Patriot Act

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yes, but I'd wager he would be too old to be on a team with Tim Drake's Robin and co. He's more likely Dick Grayson or Wally West's age range.

[@Endgame707]

I’m only 1 minute into this video and i already love it i subscribed my dude

[@texasgamer7219]

YEET THE TEENS

[@zediahcdemos9220]

12:33 All-Star is in my top 10 favorite superheroes, despite having a 1 issue appearance

[@lindsaycutter2834]

4:05 ha which origin she has five!

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yes

[@Abominatrix650]

That "Of course!" at 11:35 was from when Donkey asked Shrek if he could stay with him

[@dcauwatchtower]

“Really?” “No.”

[@TheCrossSoldier]

Thank you for this video! You did much better than I expected. You came up with a plausible team of a DCAU compatible Teen Titans, and one that had five members on it. I thought you would only be able to get four members at most due to the DCAU having quite a few major changes when it comes to sidekicks than the comic book continuity. However, I am still not fond of this lineup for a first iteration of the Titans. I have nothing against these characters, but this lineup was made not to do something different and tell a unique story with these characters, but to go through a bunch of continuity gymnastics in order to come up with a sensible version for the DCAU. I know adapted works don't have to be exactly like the source material, but to me, a version of the Titans that doesn't have Dick Grayson as one of its founding members is a deal breaker for me. Neither Jason Todd or Tim Drake have the same relationships like Dick Grayson does with characters like Wally West, Beast Boy, or Starfire. It would be like having a first iteration of the Justice League and not have Superman be a part of it. There are some things you can change about comic characters, but there are some things about characters that you just can't alter. Would you ever except a version of Superman that wasn't an alien, or a version of Bruce Wayne who became Batman without his parents dying? Also, I am not exactly fond of the amalgamation the DCAU made with Tim Drake and Kyle Rayner. The only reasons I was able to live with these changes is because I recognize that you couldn't cram their comic book origins in 22 minutes and need something more digestible since one needs so much context for these characters' origins. Some of it, I don't think the producers of these shows could do even if they wanted to because of censorship or just lack of time for side characters. It also helps that in Kyle Rayner's case, he was largely ignored when Justice League came along in favor of John Stewart who became my favorite Green Lantern.

[@dcauwatchtower]

I can agree with a lot of this. However, I don’t personally feel weird about the idea of a Titans team originating without Dick Grayson. I grew up with the DCAU, so for me, that is who any of its characters are “supposed to be.” Even though I know Kyle Rayner isn’t supposed to get Abin Sur’s ring, or that J’onn J’onzz’ family was supposed to be killed by White Martians, or that Tim Drake is supposed to be the third Robin, or any number of other things, the DCAU saying “this is what it is” has always been a-okay to me. So if it turned out officially that “the Titans existed in 1996 with Dick Grayson, Speedy, Hawk, Dove, Wally West, Raven, Starfire, Cyborg, Aqualad, Harley Quinn, Condiment King, and the Spectre,” I guess I’d have to accept that.

[@RustyNips]

@@dcauwatchtower condiment king not being apart of JLU and being sad he always is left out along side booster gold is a huge missed opportunity

[@wrongguy2916]

Baby in this universe the kid flash costume was his proto flash costume, but at some point he felt like it was too yellow or the trickster made fun of it and he made a new one instead. But Bart Allen was inspired by the yellow suit so he wore a modernised version of it

[@xanderg.1070]

I think the titans in the dcau consist of: Robin(Tim Drake) Superboy(Conner Kent) Impulse/Kid Flash(Bart Allen) Wondergirl(Cassie Sandsmark) Starfire Cyborg Beastboy Raven Aqualad(Jackson Hyde)

[@RustyNips]

I got the impression that Jason Todd existed from the beginning during Tim's origin episode they just didn't outright say it because its a kids show and they didn't wanna say "you can't be Robin because the last Robin was brutally murdered by the joker" with the kids watching Young justice kinda did a similar thing but more obvious with the statue of him

[@mechajay3358]

So many theories. . . .I can't keep up 😖

[@Splonton]

Ms. Martian statement retracted

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yep! Check out our whole video about her DCAU origin!

[@Splonton]

@@dcauwatchtower already seen it 😎 (i have been binging your videos lol)

[@dannybuckle3763]

The Kid Flash suit was likely some sort of prototype costume Wally used for like a month or two before upgrading to his modern suit.

[@nomletparti2622]

I kind of just assume it's the same group of people as the Teen Titans show. Not that the show is canon, but that it's a sort of mirror go what would have happened or existed in the DCAU.

[@AussieDragoon]

I wouldn't discount cyborg. Though the comic is questionable for his appearance, if they were going to round out the team and have more than 4 members before static maybe meets them, he'd be one of the most likely choices. Raven probably too, but you can't prove she exists in any way. As for the kid flash costume, note the size and how it's has about the same proportions as Wally does now. He like stopped wearing it at a later age like Dick did with Robin. With the flashback with him it's entirely possible that he was younger there than he looked (my guess is that they drew him that way so that the younger audience could more easily recognize it was supposed to be him). Either way when it comes to the kid flash suit, it comes across most of the time that your approaching it as "It look like this, so it must be that and nothing else", you could probably be a bit looser with it. You have said yourself that the creators take liberties with the universe a lot of the time, so I don't get why Wally was probably Kid Flash at some time is such a sticking point.

[@dcauwatchtower]

We try to be as fair as possible when assuming anything, basing it only on evidence the DCAU shows/comics/etc. present us with. That’s why it’s so frustrating-there’s really no way to know what age, if any, Wally was when he wore that suit, if it’s even his, or any number of other factors.

[@AussieDragoon]

That's fair, it's something to bring up if you ever get in contact with some of the people behind Brave and the Bold or Flash and Substance, like Matt Wayne or Dan Riba or the like, if Wally was younger than he looked in the flashback/vision thing he had or if the suit was supposed to be his. It's clear like with Kyle than Wally's a mixture of himself and his predecessor so who knows. I guess my point was leaving open the possibility that Wally was Kid flash at some point wouldn't be so off-base.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Definitely something to bring up...

[@BatsuitNipples]

Couldn’t the Kid Flash suit in the Flash Museum be a prototype suit?

[@dcauwatchtower]

That’s definitely a running theory (pun absolutely intended).

[@GugSport]

Now that's a show I'd definitely watch.

[@IzayaLee1725]

The fact you made batman sound like a Canadian was just funny as hell

[@HELLO_KORO]

Where was the clip of Impulse and robin from

[@dcauwatchtower]

The unaired pilot for “Justice League.” It can be found as a special feature on the season 2 box set, I believe.

[@JDubs0623]

“Miss Martian doesn’t exist” WELL WHOSE THE IDIOT NOW no lol jk but it’s funny how that worked

[@justice_productions_]

Robin, Beast Boy, Starfire, and Speedy would make sense as a starting team with Supergirl being a part timer just because she couldn’t be in the League, later Static and his buddy in the green(sorry I’m forgetting his name as I’m typing this comment don’t kill me) probably joined and a solid 6 person team is good, taking care of smaller and maybe some over looked threats by the League, again it’s a shame we never saw them officially, but then this fun fan speculation would never happen! I think the real question is how they would’ve reacted to what happened to Robin a few years later

[@mortarmonkey3660]

in 2021 when you hear we know jason todd doesn't exist in the dcau well that line hasn't aged well

[@dcauwatchtower]

tell me about it

[@matthewkabush]

Hahahaha, the no miss Martian comment didn't age well. #JLAvsfatalfive

[@NoVideosFound0]

XD Great pointless video! Judging from the information you brought up, however, I think the first forming of the Titans was just four people, those being: *Robin* (Tim Drake) *Beast Boy* *Starfire* (and. I have to disagree with you on this one, but) *Cyborg* Eventually, though, I do think people like Static and Supergirl did join at some point, though that's just my speculation. #KeepEpilogueASecet

[@nightwingshadow9551]

Maadsy sorry that’s dick not Tim go watch teen titans dick had green on his robin suit and Tim has never had green on his that’s why he is called Red Robin

[@NoVideosFound0]

I'm just seeing your reply now, Matthew. Like Will pointed out, I mean the DCAU Titans. In Teen Titans, yeah, I know that Dick Grayson is Robin.

[@kalebj16003]

Impulse was a member of the teen titans, in 2003 for a few issues before he became kid flash so maybe he could’ve been a member of the dcau titans because of his ties to the team

[@michaelcarter9395]

So I started pulling on a little thread of continuity, and my sweater was gone.

[@someguy5926]

I think the original teen titans is connected to “the Batman” cartoon

[@violetrose674]

I think so too, if only for the similar Robin costumes. Fun fact, The Batman didn't introduce Robin until season 5 because he shared the same costume as Teen Titans Robin

[@tyranisoar7401]

So, uh... Ms. Martian doesn’t exist, huh?

[@dcauwatchtower]

- We made this video last July - We don’t know yet if the new movie is canon - Shush

[@tyranisoar7401]

Can’t wait for the future Will it Canon?!

[@comicfan1324]

Here’s my theory about the KID FLASH costume: It was a prototype suit flash was originally going to wear before coming up with the red suit we all know and love. Admittedly a little bit of a week theory but I think it would explain away that suit.

[@theotakux5959]

It's fun watching this years later and seeing characters like Jason Todd and Ms. Martian who "Don't" exist in the DCAU. Until maybe they do now.

[@dcauwatchtower]

We've done a whole Miss Martian DCAU origin video, check that out if you haven't!

[@theotakux5959]

@@dcauwatchtower I started watching your videos a few days ago, and that one's the only reason I know she was recently introduced since I haven't seen that movie yet. You got a lot of great videos.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Thanks! Definitely give "Justice League vs The Fatal Five" a watch, it's great!

[@gohanrebelde9888]

nosotros:_ donde esta robin? batman: _con los titanes, los conoceras algun dia. nosotros_ MENTIRA!!!!! Xd

[@13KuriMaster]

We may not have to much in the DCAU that Raven can connect too, but new elements can always be added. Hey, with the lack of a connection Raven has to the elements, that could just make it all the easier for her to appear without causing any continuity problems. Plus with how much Raven is connected to the team itself, chances are if this Revival of the DCAU goes into showing the Teen Titans, there is almost no doubt in my mind that Raven would be included (the 2003 show definitely helped her get the popularity points needed as well).

[@ImSuperBlackMan]

🤣🤣🤣"Tell me why not in the comments below" is like he knew no one wanted to see it!

[@Daredevilsprmcy]

I believe that there has been a Teen Titans version in the DCAU, and when in Batman Beyond, Commissioner B. Gordon says “Tim tried once or twice, but you know Bruce...,” she meant that after Bruce had fired him, because of the tragic events in BBROTJ, Tim tried fighting crime with the Teen Titans. And furthermore, it seems that wow visiting Static Shock, he was already in the team, he was a bit older and a bit more resentful toward Bruce, saying that he had the intellect of Nobel laureates and manners of crocodiles.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Where’s that line from?

[@CrowsCalling]

Last

[@StarGazer0352]

I'm sure not seeing Teen To Go to the Movies. I'm not supporting that

[@falleneldor]

The only way I'll watch Teen Titans Go To The Movies is when they re title it Teen Titans Go To The Movies At Home when it comes out on DVD.

[@ArtsyMeg]

Seeing it supports the original show. Seeing it could make it possible for a season 6.

[@tristen-w1p]

i need the OG TITANS BACK

[@StarGazer0352]

Trust me I do too. Those guys are my childhood. My opinions of the movie have changed, but whether or not I'm gonna see it is up for debate

[@KhalbraeReal]

The movie was actually really good. Saw it with my daughter.

[@thatrandomraichu9664]

Maybe you guys could do a updated version of this considering all the new stuff that has come out since this.

[@dcauwatchtower]

All it would change really would be Miss Martian’s existence, but I doubt she would’ve been a Titans member given what we know of her origin story (check out our recent video on that!)

[@thatrandomraichu9664]

@@dcauwatchtower but what about the new Justice League Infinite or Forever comic (I dont remember what its called)

[@jackmaguire2157]

Amazing video

[@Wixhael]

9:45 And then Bruce Timm said "Hey that's a good idea" and screwed up the entire speculation.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Just that little part ;)

[@brandonscott4808]

Fun Fact: In the DC Animated Movie Universe, the Teen Titans were around long before the Justice League formed in Justice League: War film (most likely due to the creators not doing a 5 Year time skip like the New 52 did).

[@dcauwatchtower]

Good point! Always seems weird to me to have them form first, though. - James

[@dj2k460]

Based on all the info here this is my guest for what the 90s-00s teen titans team looked like Teen titans roster: 1. Cyborg 2. Star Fire 3. Robin ( Tim Drake ) 4. Super girl 5. Impulse 6. Beast Boy 7. Static The Unofficial Titans ( a group that never were teen titans but probably worked together but just didn’t have a name ) 1. Nightwing 2. Flash ( Wally west ) 3. Speedy 4. Hawk 5. Dove 6. Batgirl 7. Steel ( Steel’s Niece )

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

3:26 - It's clearly a reference to how Wally West from Young Justice actually warped into the DCAU during his "death" at the end of YJS2, despite coming many years before YJ was even a thing. This totally isn't my favorite headcanon (of course I have to ignore that scene in Brave and the Bold to do so).

[@dcauwatchtower]

I think you’ll really enjoy our next video!

[@mikewilhelm2977]

I think Raven is a possibility, as well as Impulse, Cyborg, Aqualad, and Captain Marvel Jr.

[@Mudkip971]

Could you do a timeline video on all things Pre-Batman? Like stuff about Ra's Al Ahul, Jonah Hex, Vandal Savage, etc. Basically everything since the beginning of time up until Batman's Parents being killed.

[@dcauwatchtower]

Yes! We plan to do many more timeline videos eventually. We had such a bulk of them recently that we’re taking a bit of a break-but fear not! They shall return.

[@BlocksofFlames]

Good question

[@Magmaster13]

I could see them using Kid Devil or even introducing Superboy to join the team. But that's my own pitch for a Static Season 5 comic.

[@lastlife0726]

my theory of the kid flash suit in the case is that in the dcau it was just wally's first suit. he never would call himself "kid flash" but we as the audience know of it as the kid flash costume.