The Templar | Class Spotlight | Conquest of Azeroth | World of Warcraft

[@RainyDaysVideos]

I get *why* Monk needed to be reworked and reflavored, but it really does feel like we lost an entire character archetype in the process. Guess I'll just have to keep my weapons transmog'd to fist ones while playing this to try and recapture it. Hoovesmcgee - Elune

[@Bolt892]

I dont keep upwith COA that much, why did they have to completly rework it?

[@RainyDaysVideos]

@@Bolt892 In short, it was name confusion with retail Monk and Demon Hunter (which was changed to Felsworn). They decided to go further than just the name change while doing the class redesigns and the result is what was in this video.

@@Bolt892 Monks as a class do not belong in Warcraft, Monk in DnD was a subtype of Rogue class and very unique but niche, Kungfu Panda Monk from Retail WoW is insanely stupid and terrible design, who is gona go around punching people when you are playing in a world where Warlocks wreck entire worlds and paladins use powers of holy deities...

[@jaderranierealbrez4803]

To me, it seems like there are so few MMOs that embody the fantasy of a "punching and kicking warrior." When I first saw that there was a monk in CoA, I got really hyped and enjoyed it a lot. When I got back to the server a few days ago, I was hoping that they had added Mist of Pandaria's monk animations and that it would be my dream class. Instead, I found a redesign to a "Scarlet Crusade's Sun Cleric." Sad

[@DoneRandomLee]

I understand the monk was in a tough spot with it having the same name as a retail class leading to people expecting that retail class but I think the lore swap was a miss. We already have too many light focused classes. Instead have it be spirit focused with spirit walker for discipline, bonecrusher for zealot with it being fist weapon focused, and finally crusader is the wardancer. Blade master as a name can give the wrong feeling if you don't already know what it is from warcraft 3 so I feel wardancer gives a better idea with it being someone who uses big movements for attacks to the point it is like a dance. Spirit walker fits with the active mitigation of discipline with going in and out of the spirit world while using the spirits to help you while you mastered your own spirit. And bonecrusher is a great name for a spec and gets across you are going to be hurting enemies in savage ways which fits for the spec that will punch and kick you hands on. With the light themeing it just feels like what you couldn't fit for sun cleric with too much similarities name wise to paladins. Plus the zealot and crusader seems like something either sun cleric or witch hunter would have.

[@Essalius]

Although I understand why it was renamed from Monk, I do think that the Zealot spec was a miss in this rework, and since everyone who plays Templar seems to gravitate towards Crusader, I don't think I'm too far off. The previous idea of you letting go of any weapons, going unarmed, in favor of dealing holy damage with auto attacks was really unique, and really sold off the idea of the Scarlet Crusade monks. Being 1-handed weapon based now just doesn't sell it for a specific class fantasy anymore, which otherwise seems to be a big focus for the CoA theme. Discipline makes a lot of sense, although is also under-represented right now, and Crusader is the first thing that comes to mind when you think of a "Templar". As of now, Zealot and Crusader are too identical in terms of class fantasy, but Crusader just ends up winning both by DPS currently and also in general theme. Of course I'm speaking from my own experience, but I have been playing the Templar/Monk on CoA for the last 4-5 years, before they even were a part of the Ascension team, and is really bummed about what happened to my favorite spec and class.

[@ChillandQuill]

you guys had a unique class with the monk and the blade master...a freaking samurai...then you guys decided you guys needed another freaking paladin?? wasnt that covered with the sun cleric?

[@thenopening3785]

Fully expected a healing spec but the lack of one really sells the difference between sun cleric and templar. Impressive flavor win! Adelstan - Elune

[@slippers8000]

Clarlin - Elune. Was looking forward to the blademaster fantasy and it's a shame it's not available. Templar does look dope though and a high contender in my view.

[@L0stHumanity]

So sad that there is no punching spec for this class 😢 - Orphanmaker

[@Will-V4]

The spell interrupt is still a punch 😅

[@bobisadrummer]

Would have preferred Monk and Blademaster aesthetics. What you call "Holy" should have been "Spirituality." Good job regardless.

[@Tribaleyes]

I won't lie to you Maccy Doubs' - I was really looking forward to trying out the Monk. Now that's not to say this class doesn't look and feel good to play - I got into the Alpha last week, and I've been having a fair bit of fun on them. What I was looking forward to was the Blademaster Archetype of the Monk I'd heard about - Now that's just gone, and with complete honesty - That doesn't feel good; Realistically, you could've added a 22nd' class being the Templar and made a few adjustments between the two - Now being even more realistic - there's another solution that wouldn't take so much developmental time (On paper); You guys should add Class Skins. You know, that thing we've been asking Blizzard to add to the base-game for YONKS only get to Hero Talents (Which isn't at all what we asked for)? Class Skins. Give us the Blademaster back - Give us a hand-to-hand combat spec (Even if they still equip weapons) and you've got a match made in heaven with this one for SO many people.

[@neatrat3366]

Is the Blademaster going to see a comeback though?

[@MisterJohnny42]

I would love to see the selection screen for the different class types again, as it was included in earlier videos. Getting a short overview of the 3 classes and their roles, before explaining them in more detail would help me a lot. Maybe you can insert a short picture of the selection screen in each video, that would be greatly appreciated. Besides that I really love these Spotlights, looking forward to more content :) Edit: MistrJohnny - Elune :-)

[@BlueHans]

Seeing the sheer clouds of damage numbers flying around reminds me a lot of retail. As I really do not like retail, I truly hope CoA will take a more TBC-like style in time.

[@Rook986]

Ashrend - Elune This is the class overview I was waiting for!

[@GeneralHavek]

I play templar and specifically discipline. Mcdoubles is awesome, but he is understating the effect of not having good defensive mail gear with agi and int. Case and point, the best gear to get for discipline templars is the cadaverous set. Which is leather and has no int at all.

[@jonathangrimes8975]

Items are going to be added /reworked to account for all classes/ specs

[@Khrimz0n]

I made my Zealot look like a Scarlet Crusade member. Such a great class you guys made! Way better than it was as Monk.

[@jasauve]

RIP Monk... A bit sad because I tend to gravitate to Monks in any games where they are available... Ah well, not like there's a shortage of fun sounding options in CoA! -Supergrover on Elune

[@ChillandQuill]

i love your toon's name =3

[@Quackmandan]

Quackmanfran - Elune Your class spotlights have been narrating my showers for nearly a month now. I don't know what I'm going to do when these videos end.

[@harruke]

12:12 luckily you had the Son of Ursoc to bless you in battle

[@bayoubro728]

Leveling this on COA. Crusader Templar is far and away the most fun I've had with a melee spec in all of Ascension. It feels like Legion Ret, plus strong mobility. The fast GCD makes everything feel smooth as heck. LOVE the class fantasy of traveling to the different holy places to accumulate tithe buffs. That said, yall need to look into how melee haste is scaling in the interaction of Tempest/1kBlades and Vindication - it turns a 6-tick weapon damage AOE into a 15-tick weapon damage AOE. As hilariously busted as that is, it feels far too strong compared to other Crusader builds (that I've tried so far).

[@Viertis]

Templar = Warrior/Rogue with holy/fire damage. Saw a holy charge, holy bladestorm. Combos are just fancy combo point builders, breakers are finishing moves. Im here for this. Baralin - Elune

[@cameronstrathdee1772]

I'm running a Templar in CoA's Adventure mode and having a great time with it. The combo mechanics are fun and engaging, similar to FF14's Samurai class mechanics. It's got great DPS and good cleave. In terms of sustain, Pray self-heals every ~20sec and Benediction consumes combo to heal. Don't listen to the naysayers, Templar Jaburo says the Blademaster fantasy is alive and well. Get your Arcanite Reaper, cast Mirror Image, and start 1-2-1-2-1-2-3'ing across the barrens.

[@FabiPlant91]

You said kamehameha you got me already!! No paladin or priest can do that😂 thanks for making it possible in world of Warcraft. Kurama- Elune

[@CatholicJedi]

Definitely feels like COA is taking a lot of inspiration from games like FFXIV (resource bars, combos) as well as other pservers like Duskhaven (dual wield pallies). Love to see it! Quigon on Elune

[@manikenqx]

Xalatath, Elune Thank you, Mcdoubles for your videos!

[@Mateo.gwq32]

Thanks for sharing the thought process on the flavor switch. Looking forward to trying this out! Mateo - Elune

[@suiadandaeagor3623]

Good job with all the spotlights (just watch in order from Chrono to Templar) Keep up the good work!! Galadriele -Elune

[@7r3x1992]

The tank spec is fun. I use a sequence macro for my follow-ups, and it makes it easier and less clutter.

[@gregrussell1787]

Same. Only way I enjoy it. I haven't found a class yet that is enjoyable without heavy macro/WA usage.

[@7r3x1992]

@gregrussell1787 Shadow hunter Witchdoctor isn't that heavy with macros/WA from what I've seen when I play it. The Runemaster on the other hand... my god.

[@GeneralHavek]

I only use the Cleave followup on my discipline spec. Gives more cleave (which I naturally want) and let's Benediction hit most everyone in range.

[@stane3956]

Stanne - Elune. Cant wait for CoA to get free to play (prob gonna no life on it xd)

[@Minosheep]

Khass - Elune This is the right direction. Can't wait to try it out!

[@FFVogter.-em6zz]

Think of it like this. Sun Clerics channel the fiery aspects of the Light and the sun and the more archaic group. Templars are the more martial group with less healing but more offensive powers, being more focused on the material aspect hence why they have a poor grasp on holy magic compared to other holy classes and tend to rely on lighter armor to get in fights quickly to massacre their foes and get out just as fast to avoid retaliation. Classic Paladins are the more valiant of the group, using the light to heal and protect and damage as a last resort and are the toughest of the bunch. Just my two cent how I'd compare the three classes.

[@jdurden81]

Rarzilla - Elune. Great Class, can't wait to play.

[@Dinvalforever]

Krumbull - Elune Man this one looks so cool. So hard to decide what I want to play. Stormbringer is number one but this is looking like a close second choice. Edit - On the Armor issue, Mail being in a strange place, I always felt most games don't handle the reward vs detriment on gear. D&D handled it by making you slower and unable to reliable cast spells in certain additions. I feel like most games should follow some sort of concept of more defense at the cost of "insert reason." Slower spell cast speed the heavier the armor or, plate never has intelligence and cloth can't have strength. Maybe you can find agility on all items but you see the highest increase to agility on leather and cloth. certain materials are more susceptible to certain elements or damage types or some materials are stronger to certain damage types. Would love to see more games handle armor more dynamically.

[@terrystewart4232]

Elephino - Elune Looking forward to trying out the Cultist and Sun Cleric! Love the videos so far. I hope CoA brings me back in!

[@Bliztron]

One of my top classes from the preview so far. The UI you has set up at the start looked really nice. Is that baseline, or was that a custom weakaura? Valyth - Elune

[@Necrosis88]

Great video McDoubles, Sir 🎉 Grizguts on Elune

[@valentinrosano4935]

I thank you very much, I have followed you since season 5 of ascension, "Velys"

[@xerosama5915]

Loving the content!

[@remon8576]

Cant wait for releaseeeeee

[@soulreaper8883]

Big sadge about the loss o the blade master. "Taste ma blade" is one of my fav quotes from warcraft 3, right next to "dasdingo" and "Whadiya mean what kinda accent is dis? It's a troll accent" I hope it can make a comeback if CoA ever decides to make a new class in the future, cause I love that the game tries to bring in classes based on, at least, the warcraft 3 playable units. I'd love a dedicated class for the bloodelf mages and the "glaive guard" bloodelves as well (don't even get me started on some way to play anubarak. That man deserved better). I like reaper, but the fact that we have a reaper and no DK was kinda sad to me. I think Coa could have gone the DK route just like you guys did with the demon hunter making a version of the class that is your own. I'm happy the witchdoctor and others still made it through and I hope there is still room for this type of class even if it's in the future. I don't really imagen CoA adding even more classess with how hugely hard balancing the amount you have at present will be for pvp and pve. Eitehr way love templar. I'll probably have a crusader wit ha dedicated goal of making a crusader transmogged to look like a crusader somehow.

[@ilusao1111]

Icecream-Elune I did think that Monks felt a little strange in terms of lore, but I really loved the aesthetic. So I'm kinda sad that they're gone. :/ Oh well, at least we got something cool to replace it anyway.

[@ynohtnakedog]

Ohhh that crusader spec seems fun. Spin to win! Nollas on elune

[@phreak9263]

OH so that's what happened to my old monk. Damn..super sad there isn't a martial class anymore...I always love the hand to hand types of classes. Vespor - Elune

[@Ragarcia1986]

Valgov - Elune That holy blast looks sick!

[@Atigeve]

So looking forward to CoA, team is putting in work. Atigeve is the name

[@logankotty4749]

Definitely gonna be playing this one Lofessor - Elune

[@conservativejoe]

Ka Ka Ka Kombo!!! Killer Instinct! Ka Ka Ka Kombo Breaker!!! LOL

[@Sirheck2010]

Balden - Elune love the videos man.

[@mno6194]

Gurnoch - elune Love the class overviews, love the new view of the game

[@krystiankrol7259]

Templar is another class made for me. i love this kind of class in any game cant wait to try it Alunaria - Elune

[@hendrjo]

Nojathon - Elune Always felt weird using a staff for melee DPS but it looks good as a Discipline Templar.

[@robsdeviceunknown]

I like where this is going -Alienicon Elune.

[@jonathanscott8946]

Amazing content as always McDubs! Dozza-Elune

[@Kronosxviii1]

8:39 That sounds very annoying when trying to stack up death balls in pve. :3 3 minute cool downs is very long, I'd recommend tuning it to 2 minutes, mostly with respect to healer/tank cds. Same thing with 30s cd's -> 20s. This thought also applies to all other classes. :3 Excessively long cd's that are a part of your combat sequence just don't feel good in the flow of things. 40s to a few minutes on utility is definitely a good thing, it's just I've noticed some rotational abilities seem like they have super long cds.

[@AldentePrime]

Even if there is no monk in CoA, both dps specs seem to be very fun to play. Fast and dynamic I would say. Aldente - Elune

[@savatarx99]

I was planning to play blademaster is crusader basically the same thing?

[@Sc4ryCherry]

Beat enlightenment into thy enemies with a stick Scaredcherry - Elune

[@mitch31532]

Great concept for a class Mizari - Elune

[@Dopameeme]

That zealot specc Looks awesome 🤤 Bloodjin - Elune

[@MoltenMeta]

Very. Fricken. Cool. Micbeth - Alune

[@viniciusrutes]

Love the design of this class! Rutes - Elune

[@polkacore]

Torvaldius on Elune. This combo system seems interesting. C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

[@lazyr852]

Evelitha on Elune Yay finally another spotlight!

[@Unholy_sun]

All the classes so far seem fun. The one that i have loved the most so far would have to be the Primalist. But after seeing this Video. I may end up playing Templar when CoA finally does come out Unholysun - Elune

[@jesterzwryy7613]

The name change from Monk to Templar made it iconic without deviating too much from the initial class fantasy, which is IMO fun! Maradrick - Elune

[@DanielSanchez-vr4ln]

I really hope we get some custom new gear too, mail seems weird for a tank imo, but hoping for the best! Voldyr - Elune

[@TheEvilWarlock]

Ngl fam, this one seems like it did a complete U-turn in terms of its class fantasy/thematic, considering the departure it took from its original concept. It's kinda hard to look at this and not see a crappy compromise between a traditional warrior/fighter class and a paladin/crusader. I also think that a lot of people are going to be disappointed that the "pure" unarmed monk archetype that they initially wanted to play is no longer really in the game. - Zargnos on Elune

[@dethtone83]

Killyen - Elune Crusader looking fun to play

[@tremayne4351]

So many options it's hard to decide what to start with! - Slamo

[@Jakiii5150]

Sad to see monk go, but going from monk to a scarlet crusader is pretty fun Abbott - Elune

[@Sparrow1709]

i dont know if it already has been thought of but maybe a "apprentice of gul'dan" build? love your vid's! the imagination is just amazing! Thegrim - Elune

[@starkite123]

Is blademaster still in the game then? You had an old video about monk having Blademaster. -Orangejuice

[@saraerack]

Elune - Holydefias "WANT TO PLAY COA REAL BAD"

[@rastus234]

a templar in CoA? interesting this call my total attention! Karmiel - Elune

[@scooby2987]

keep up the good work. wish we had more character slots. too many I want to try out!!! ~ Sevorvah.

[@mateh.5539]

Which class is going to be the underdog you think? . Csomp on Elune

[@chrx.l27]

Templar looks sick . Athrel - Elune

[@TheSammyboy723]

Looks like a blast. Chewwy - elune

[@Sandstrom765]

Farkinel - Elune These classes all look amazing :)

[@thebighumor7824]

Would love templar having a melee-priest like kit like the Monk from duskhaven had, still a great build nonetheless. Sakgioumam on Elune

[@itshuntee]

Loking forward to playing Totem Caller Primalist so i can feel like Udyr. Huntee on Elune

[@Dvnstrt]

Rolling for COA key Basementjack - Elune RIP Monke we barely knew ye

[@vladpepesh]

are we gonna get custom gear sets for these classes or not?

[@Jaydeviss]

Itzsol-Elune i really like the look of all the classes so far and I've been watching you for a bit and you made me want to try ascension so i made a account and I'm loving it

[@delayze]

You are the best!

[@gregrussell1787]

Crusader Templar is fun until you have to start managing follow up procs. Once you can have 2 stored and your builder randomly procs 2 it just becomes an optimization chore. I just macro builder/spender cast sequence and its so much more enjoyable. Albeit less optimal.

[@mattiasljus9423]

I ficking love this class! But, it wold be nice to have ingame "addon" to show all combo stuff. I ficking hate weakaura. But for this on i lernd it

[@gg2fan]

I don't mean to post a lot of negative comments like I did about the AI art, but I have to say I am also bummed about the removal of the bare fist diablo inspired monk, I was quite interested in that

[@Botnoobskin]

maybe this time , Glorblin - Elune

[@sunlightFrequency]

Not gonna lie this is one of the only reworks I was wholly disappointed with. I thought the general Holy/Light theming was fine as it was, but now that it's dipped entirely in the Holy sauce it feels like too much. I loved the old theming of the Scarlet Monk archetype, and losing the punching spec really sucks for that. Like yeah, you can transmog or wield fist weapons, but it just isn't the same. And the Blademaster theming for the 2h spec was REALLY cool. Blademaster is one of those heroes I've always loved trying to replicate in WoW, so an entire spec that did that concept justice was awesome. I'm very much a proponent of the theming and flavor of a class over pure mechanics, so while *technically* the blademaster spec didn't go anywhere, it just doesn't feel like Blademaster anymore, and that sucks. tl;dr I really liked the idea of a "martial master" class that could choose between a number of unconventional fighting styles, and of the class I think Discipline came out the least scathed. Now, instead of a "martial master" it feels more like "Paladin but to the left" in a class lineup that already has a paladin analogue in Sun Cleric.

[@keleitas150]

i don't know about the flavour. looks mechanically nice but i think CoA could have used a martialist class instead of another pseudo pally class. i would've like something like a "Martialist" class and divide the specs in "Blademaster" (took from WC3) with maybe a sub spec for dual wield and two hand, "Monk" (classic fist or staff user) and "Runemaster" the 'real' brawler one. Also, i think CoA missed the opportunity to have at least a spec going for a Battle Mage archetype. a melee arcane magic user probably wearing plate that maybe uses full spellpower gear or hybrid str/spellpower. So, an hybrid spec that uses melee skills infused with arcane magic and maybe a new playstyle with one hand spell power weapons (sword, dagger or mace) and an offhand. since melee dps builds are always dual wield or two handed weapons it could have been a real nice change of pace. i don't want to sound dissatisfied with your work though, i just like to give feedback and maybe give some ideas for you guys to use (probably never, but who knows :D) cheers

[@Akaya1371]

This class seems very strong Caradune - Elune

[@vitorroma8240]

Thats 100% a fun one! Swady - Elune

[@Nordy1595]

Finally, punching monk build. Now give me access: Caios-Elune

[@braidenbannister3877]

Love the content - still actively in dire desperation to play lol. Au - Elune

[@sciencethygod]

Man this is one of those cases I wish WoW had active dodge/parry/block systems, then the DFO bob and weave boxer style monk would be so awesome here! ORARARARRARARARARARARARARARARARARARARARARA Thinking about it, take more inspiration from DFO please! I also feel there should be more combo'd abilities and off GCD abilities so you can always be weaving something a kin to later FF14 and games that flat out don't have GCDs bloody hate how clunk gcds can make games feel, but understand from a balancing and anti macro/cheat perspective they are needed. like have you guys tried playing around with having a 0.5-1s gcd? Bernkastel - Elune

[@wecuyler]

when will this be available?

[@isand85]

i have no idea what class i want to play, its amazing. Hinkley - Elune

[@ardiguan2198]

Pretty sure Venomancer is where it's at. Ardiguan - Elune

[@BeatHub-so6sc]

Any ETA on release date?