The TEN Most EVIL MUSICANS Ever | Philosophy Sunday

[@doccyclopz]

"Gary Glitter, my idol when I was a little kid. I'm glad I never met him, mind!"~Andy Edwards The funniest thing I've heard all day!😄

[@DrakodanSRL]

"There's not enough murderers in rock and roll." - Andy Edwards

[@BelindaandRockyInternetDitties]

Especially when certain musicians were CANCELLED for NO REASON, online. 🤔👽

[@EdwardSWFL]

What a perfect tombstone epitaph..

[@kgrant67]

I'm 7 minutes into this video. If Andy doesn't hurry up and tell us he's joking and that he actually does have a well thought out list, he will end up on my list of most evil musicians😂

[@jonhowe2960]

Yes, this is a form of torture

[@thomascordery7951]

19 minutes in and, at least for me, Andy's musings have become more interesting than any list ever could be.

[@SpookyLuvCookie]

Hope you made it through to the juice

[@kgrant67]

I did. Towards the end I was wishing I had waited to comment. Was a great discussion@@SpookyLuvCookie

[@kgrant67]

I agree! @@thomascordery7951

[@MauriceHotblack]

Louis Walsh for inflicting Boyzone, Westlife, Take That, Johnny Logan and Jedward on us.

[@richiehoyt8487]

For much of the '90's & '00's I was just a little bit ashamed of my Irish passport... Thank God for Stock, Aitken & Waterman!

[@squareeyedgit]

Captain Beefheart is a tricky one for me - the way Don treated his band during the creation of Trout Mask Replica, going from what John French has written and the others confirmed, sounds at its worst like full-on psychological torture, peppered with occasional physical violence. Nobody was killed, and nobody was REALLY forced to stay in the situation, but for a multitude of reasons they did stay, and the biggest reason was that they all realised that what they were creating was something incredible. A comment section isn't the best place to discuss and debate Don's modus operandi, I've rewritten this paragraph six times now. Suffice to say that Don did some really nasty, manipulative shit, but out of it we get Trout Mask Replica (and the rest).

[@jeremys5576]

Van Vliet was a bossy control freak, but hardly evil.

[@williamwinslow6582]

I just tried to share this on my FB page. Facebook removed it for being "misleading". What a joke. Anyway, this is what I wanted to share with my friends: Andy exemplifies the principle that HOW one thinks is as important, or more important than what one concludes. This was a great video.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Wow...I've been cancelled...finally!!!!

[@williamwinslow6582]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Crimes against The Algorithm

[@oolongoolong789]

British Classical musicians: Robert King - In 2007 convicted of fourteen charges of indecent assault, some against minors, and jailed for 3 years 9 months. Philip Pickett - In February 2015 he received an 11-year prison sentence for the rape and sexual assault of pupils at the Guildhall School.

[@tomconner2326]

One Phil Specter crime Andy didn't mention is that hair style.

[@nodiggity9472]

Pretty sure that was a wig.

[@robertsutton7949]

Like an evil Art Garfunkel

[@shawnw8717]

Definitely a wig. Since the mid 70's he wore a hairpiece that got more hideous as time went on.

[@craigtodd8297]

The only time during the course of the whole week, that i laugh good and proper, is when I am watching Andy.

[@clash79]

This intro is exactly the kind of video I would make if I was a youtuber, and had been drinking a good bit. It's perfect. I love it

[@paulkenyon3372]

If an artist goes icky for you then you know when its just too icky

[@drummusicinc4027]

Mickey Harts father was a champion rudimental snare drummer. He scammed the Grateful Dead out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and went on the lamb. Hence the song, “He’s gone” which they wrote about him.

[@TheloniousCube]

lam, no b

[@absolutelypositively]

Great song too. I remember my first GD show. It was in Chicago at the Uptown theater (yes I see your CB Logo). I pretty much was mesmerized watching Kreutzmann and Hart all night. Their sense of timing drumming together. Wasn’t til after drums/space that I realized Jerry was on stage too. They were on that night big time. But those drummers were so captivating in their timing and seeming love of doing what they do. I can watch that show here on YT. Every few years I revisit. So glad someone smuggled in a video recorder.

[@user-mad7max11dystopia]

You can find lists on KZbin even if you need a roadmap to wipe your rear end. I click on Andy for humor and interesting content. Never disappointed.

[@Soundtrack-Audio]

To be fair Rolf Harris did murder Stairway to Heaven! ... this was like a top ten list from the film 'Inception'.

[@nielshoogev1]

That was a truly awesome video. I missed it when it came out, but enjoyed it nonetheless, about a month out of sync. I don't care if you do lists or not. I don't really value the actual ranking much if you do. How in the world is one sublime prog or fusion album better than another sublime one? However, I do love your explanations, your rants, you waffling. You have found a great balance between profundity and nonsense.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@halmycroft194]

'I'm sure there are some dodgy black metal musicians' - looking at you, Varg. You too, Famine.

[@craigtodd8297]

"The art should stand up for itself as art" "And should not matter as to the composer" That is the strongest sentence I have heard in years. And is very brave.

[@sourcreampudding]

"Is there another one? Have I missed anybody out?" Cliff Richard. Just wait.

[@teamflashtv]

"Gary Glitter. My idol when I was a little kid. Glad I never met him, mind." 💥 absolute banger

[@onsenkuma1979]

Do murderers OF music count? If so then there's plenty of those...

[@mihranbobson7753]

Perfect 😂

[@edwardyazinski3858]

The list os currently endless

[@25756881]

Nobody murders music. It's alive and you're free to listen to whatever you want.

[@markperry9427]

Pete Waterman, or the unholy Trinity of Stock, Aitkin , Waterman

[@Oenloveslife]

You're cracking me up in this intro 😂

[@clash79]

I'm sure Andy is a super talented musician, but I think he found his true calling later than ideal. He's a funny sob, and is amazing at intelligently humorous commentary

[@nathanlewiswilliams8985]

I love Andy's videos usually and have watched loads of them. This one however is pure waffle throughout.

[@ChrisYossarian]

Following up on Leadbelly, Blues Singer and Gitarrist T-Model Ford was sentenced to 10 Years prison for murder in the 1940ies. I managed a tour with him around 2000 where I met a great, committed artist with an independent mind and a pleasant guy to deal with.

[@arthurroschbooksandmusic7700]

Richard Wagner. Maybe not a killer but still pretty sketchy. BTW I love his music!

[@klapsigaarenbasgitaar1931]

He held some dodgy political views that were completely mainstream at the time.

[@alanthomson1227]

Salieri

[@DavidCritchley-i6u]

​​@@klapsigaarenbasgitaar1931and will be mainstream again.

[@klapsigaarenbasgitaar1931]

@@DavidCritchley-i6u I guess they are mainstream already in certain parts of the world.

[@andyjenbo]

Timothy Peter Lambesis singer of the metalcore band As I Lay Dying was arrested in 2013 after attempting to hire an undercover police officer to murder his wife.

[@jimmycampbell78]

My Musical Axis of Evil is Robbie Williams, Coldplay, Mike Love from the Beach Boys and Don Henley.

[@GuyJames]

+1 for Mike Love. Wanker.

[@ultrahighgain412]

What did Mike Love do?

[@midlander4]

I don't see why The Lighthouse Family get a hall pass here

[@thomascordery7951]

A turbulent flight taken deliberately through some very nasty weather. Not sure where it goes from here, but you've landed it, Andy! As they say, any landing you can walk away from is a good one. Strong ending.

[@stevelewis9317]

Frank Zappa: “Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best."

[@carlosgaspar8447]

and water is not life.

[@klapsigaarenbasgitaar1931]

I can't believe no one mentioned Michael Jackson. I can't help but feel a bit weird when I play his music with my kids around.

[@GuyJames]

agree. if he was a lesser musician he'd have been totally cancelled but people don't want to know

[@DavidCritchley-i6u]

Michael upset the people who own the music industry, particularly overrepresented in management. If i remember correctly, he even named them openly, as did Whitney Houston and Kanye West. I never ends well for people who do because they are media types that can smear your good name or print accusations in their newspapers.

[@DavidCritchley-i6u]

Michael was innocent

[@klapsigaarenbasgitaar1931]

@@DavidCritchley-i6u Don't forget Elvis, who is still alive btw.

[@candelise]

John Cale once was quoted as saying about Lou Reed something like"lovely songs, horrible man". End of story.

[@Innerspace100]

As a Norwegian, I am all too familiar with that infamous sub genre known as black metal. And in there, there's been some real stinkers... Øystein "Euronymous" Aarseth, co-founder and guitar player of Mayhem. If the stories surrounding their lead singer Pelle "Dead" Ohlin's suicide is true, then I think he gives even Varg, his murderer, a run for his money with regards to evil... There are also some pretty disturbing stories about Kristian "Gaahl" Espedal, the former singer of Gorgoroth... And what was the name of that guy who murdered someone at the Olympic Park in Lillehammer.... can't remember... Was it Bård Eitun? It might have been...

[@daverigby23]

Varg used to blog on KZbin. From some of the bits of informtion gave out, he's living not far from me i,n Limousin, France

[@benjamincoles7880]

Indeed, Andy says he wants "arsonists and murderers" and then doesn't discuss all the notorious church-burners and bandmate/homosexual-slaying black metal folk. Jon Nödtveidt from Dissection would be another obvious one to include.

[@000dr0g]

Just saw this as part of my enjoyable catching up with the videos I missed at the time they came out. This is brilliant messing with the medium, and funny as well. Reminds me of some of Stewart Lee's subversive, form and fourth-wall breaking comedy structures and rythmns. During your discussion you had me contrasting and comparing Wagner and Right Said Fred (the band, not the Bernard Cribbins song) in me head. Then I started mulling over if Coppola could have used "I'm Too Sexy" in his helicopter scene in Apocalypse Now (setting aside the anachronism). So, good job.

[@jamesswapinski9190]

Jack The Ripper played one hell of a horn.

[@cybermanne]

This video format is pretty hillarious.

[@jonathanwoodvincent]

Carlo Gesualdo murdered his wife and her lover. Idi Amin, murderous dictator and cannibal, played the accordion. General Reinhard Heydrich, who orchestrated the final solution, was an accomplished pianist

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I can't picture Amin playing the accordian, he looks like a Tuba guy to me

[@jonathanwoodvincent]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aILIYYmtlqaAodk&ab_channel=jasondlane1@@AndyEdwardsDrummer

[@Innerspace100]

Heydrich played the violin, didn't he?

[@jonathanwoodvincent]

@@Innerspace100 according to wikipedia, yes, that was his main axe. My source was from somewhere else. Thanks for the correction

[@PeterWetherill]

There is one jazz musicisn that went crazy and shot both of his sons one died and the other crippled then he killed himself. He was considered and still is considered one of the best jazz trombonists ever. His name is Frank Rosolino. He was a member of supersax and 10 months before he recorded a song that featured him called Gloomy Sunday. This song is also called the suicide song.

[@pfaessel1]

His wife dumped him for another woman: then he went REALLY crazy!

[@PeterWetherill]

Actually, his ex-wife who was the mother of his two sons killed herself after their divorce. Frank was cheating on her. Shortly before he did the evil deed he mentioned that he wanted the family to be back together again in heaven.

[@lukaskindt]

Very thought-provoking video! I have some difficulty labeling people as good or evil. I think everyone does both good things and bad things. And I don't think the good someone does can outwash the bad, but neither can the bad outwash the good. I know a lot of people don't agree with me on this, but I think you should be able to love a person for the good they do, while still hating the bad. I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive.

[@jpalberthoward9]

If you're not confined to just strictly rock guys, there's Pat Hare and Spade Cooley.

[@larryzink8978]

Spade was a nasty boy.

[@steveunderwood3683]

I'm only a couple if minutes in, but I feel this is going to be a setup for a bunch of "criminal record" jokes.

[@JimDooley]

OMG, I paused the video to look up Ian Watkins. Why did you even say his name?!!! Now I'm afraid to hip play again. 😬

[@Kung_Fu_Jesus]

Well that got me thinking, thanks Andy

[@craigtodd8297]

I think you'll find that an evil person can be incredibly creative and artistic. BUT. The art of the honest and pure will find a shadow and can surpass. Good conqueres bad. Just.

[@richardcrook2112]

Great video

[@paulmcmillen5925]

Maybe Jim Gordan's mom was the evil one and he was only one to see her real side.

[@Whit-mh9nt]

Joins the ranks of the evil musicians with his intro..Evil show, Andy...

[@Lultschful]

Bertrand Cantat of french rock band Noir Désir, beat his wife to death. That's evil enough.

[@blackcatcentralmusic]

We're getting deep now ;-) All human beings are flawed. I make a distinction between people who are fallen versus evil. Director and writer Ken Russell often explored the theme of bad people creating great art: Delius ("The Song of Summer"), Strauss ("Dance of the Seven Veils"), Liszt and Wagner ("Lisztomania"). In "Lisztomania" there is a beautiful scene in heaven with Liszt, his loves, and daughter Cosima. After the ensemble plays "Liebestraum" (a recurring musical theme in the film), Marie D'Agoult laments that they were all horrible and selfish but, "The bad is dead and buried. The best of us lives on enshrined in his (Liszt's) music. And that's for everyone to share. Forever." (paraphrasing from memory).

[@SuperNevile]

If we're going there let's consider Reinhard Heydrich, principal archtect of The Holocaust. From Wikipedia. Heydrich's father founded the Halle Conservatory of Music, Theatre, and Teaching and his mother taught piano there. As the oldest son, Reinhard was expected to inherit his father's music conservatory and was trained in music by his father. He learned the piano and violin by the time he was six years old. Heydrich developed a passion for the violin and carried that interest into adulthood; he impressed listeners with his musical talent.

[@carlomercorio1250]

Varg Vikernes of Burzum - murderer; Bard Faust from Dissection - murderer

[@markruthin]

Yes, Gary Glitter - dya wanna be in my gang? And Michael Jackson? And the guy who ripped off Badfinger so Pete Ham committed suicide? Food for thought..

[@johannystrom2444]

Hi Andy, I follow your videos and enjoy them a lot for various reasons - I get to hear about my fav musicians, I get much tips for music to listen to (like Five Alarm Funk). I enjoyed your thoughts about the unique English estethic which I as a Swede have an unexplainable fondness for. What I say is that you go beyond the music and have deep thoughts around it in your special way . This may very well be your most profound or at least a step in a profounder direction video to date. This channel develops in a curiouser and curiouser way, and I like it.

[@cbolt4492]

10:54 Roy Estrada on Oh in the sky is superb

[@mleesh9370]

My top 5 is: #1 Varg Vikernes, #2 - #5 the members of Phish

[@TheloniousCube]

Why Phish?

[@PeterWasted]

I didn't know about Roy Estrada. Very sad. In the spirit of philosophy, some might say that the truly evil musicians are the ones we don't know about.

[@carlomatthews6676]

Brilliant reflection Andy! Fully agree.

[@sicko_the_ew]

RL Burnside shot an intruder dead. He was happy about it. Instead of some dead Burnsides, there was some perp, dead instead, and he looked upon the body and knew that this was good. In an interview he smiled when asked about the incident, and said, "In an emergency, don't call 911; call 357". Something like that. He said it better. He was a great lyricist. Now some people would insist that just by not waiting to see if the police might arrive on time to save his family from what might well have been a lethal threat (but maybe not), and instead, "calling 357", he chose Evil over Good. Because of whatever reason that can be invoked to attribute this blame upon him. The way I see it, he had a point, and the people who are angry at him for killing the intruder instead of trying something _ex cathedra_ holy and righteous, but practically risky, dangerous, and probably frightening, also have a point. (But he was quite skinny when he was young. Not exactly built for physically subduing tough thugs who smash their way into your house to beat you into submission.) Another point, though, is that he created some sublime blues music. So it could be argued that the world at large lost nothing by losing the thug, whereas it would've lost someone of immeasurable value to everyone else, had he suffered sufficient injury in the assault that was on its way. What if the thug had damaged his right hand, for instance? Maybe we don't get a say in this, but it seems quite obvious that according to the rest of us there's a clear preferable outcome in the contest between "dead perp" and "injured bluesman". The bluesman wins. The music he makes is too valuable to lose to something like that to a choice to be very very good, and not call 357 to solve the crime emergency of that moment. Exhibit A: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jonZl2Rod85prJo

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

RL Burnside is in my top 5 Blues musicians

[@sicko_the_ew]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer In my opinion (which is unfortunately worth much, but still, at least it's something) he was the rea deal, right down to the marrow. I think maybe to be great in the blues someone has to have a lot of what a religious person might call soul, or spirit or something personal like that. Maybe that's so for all music, but to me it feels like in the case of the blues that certain something about the musician is especially important. (The certain personal something that the musician brings along just by existing and being who they are might make a passable emergency philosophy Sunday starting point if you ever run out of topics. Not that that's likely.)

[@LWilloxMusic]

The Batchelor Boy

[@larryzink8978]

Your question at hand requires more careful investment. The question is actually one of good art vs non good. One is healthy for culture and the other is a trapdoor to living hellscape. To be human one must judge what is good and bad. Accept and reject. Your right ; ethics need continuing gradual thoughtful revision. But taboos are the guadrails, bulwarks to anarchy. Wer'e all of us in over our heads and as a serious fine artist I wholeheartedly appreciate your tackling this mighty subject. Rave on rave on!

[@Rog5446]

Andy missed the biggest murderer in music, that being Des O'Connor, who murdered more songs than any other singer. Andy also missed Ike Turner, who was once asked on a TV chat show, do you beat your wife (Tina) and replied, no more than any other man beats his wife.

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

Charles Mingus one said that we are told to remember the good and forget the bad about people who pass away. The only person he could not remember anything bad about was Eric Dolphy.

[@jeremys5576]

Today's increasingly tribalistic society needs a refresher course in nuance, recognising the shades of grey which make up reality and the human condition. Thanks for championing these truths with humour and imagination. Wonderful video.

[@PeterFrayne-o4n]

Don’t think JS Bach can be listed, but he did have a fight down an alley after a drinking session and pulled a knife on someone.

[@fsveins62]

A bit late to this thread. Composer Claude Debussy was an evil one. He treated his wife so badly he eventually drove her to make a suicide attempt, which failed but left her badly injured. When he heard the news he went to visit his mistress and refused to pay his wife's medical bills. Debussy treated women in a terrible way and left a trail young women in a statue of desperation.

[@jboy55]

Saw a chapter title called "Sublime" immediately spent 15 minutes reading wikipedia and searching for how the band "Sublime" was evil. Then I listened to the chapter...

[@christiantaylor4027]

Andy you have risen to the top of the list.

[@christiantaylor4027]

Don't worry I'll be back. Love the show. Black page episode was actually instructive. Cheers.

[@astronomer747]

Musicians are often traumatized, highly emotionally sensitive people with a lot of personal openness. That's part of what gives them their gift for songwriting, but such people also tend towards addiction, mental illness, and relational instability. I think you can create good art and be a terrible person. Beethoven was an abusive uncle. He served as a surrogate father for his brothers in some capacity. That abusive behavior he obviously had inherited from his father Johann. He drove his poor nephew to suicide with his moral austerity. Although he really did care about his nephew I think, he was a terrible figure to have care for him. It's undeniable that this is some of the most well composed music even if it came from a very emotionally unstable and abusive character. Most of the great musicians are kind of tragic people that live chaotic lives. Music is a kind of therapy for them I think.

[@mariobarrela]

Hello Andy I think you don’t no this history about this musician and evil. It’s about John McLaughlin and a tune from Extrapolation. I discovered that there is a very sad and tragic story behind the tune “Binky’s Beam” on Extrapolation, who was composed as a tribute to his friend the innovative bass player Bonny McKenzie. You can read it here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binky_McKenzie

[@VIDSTORAGE]

Gary ,Lead and Phil were all one of the good guys in life but what flipped them into being what they are known for now ,what flips the switch that makes the good guy turn sour ?

[@jackstonehenge]

In regards to the blues musicians, I thought of how many songs make references to killing their woman. Laughing at how crazy it would be for a new modern song to reference this subject matter.

[@johnweyers2685]

Put on your sneakers and slacks, and relax-ay-voo... 😎 🥁

[@martinpirint8559]

This is the most EVIL video. It is only slightly LESS EVIL that Phil Spector's production on Let It Be.

[@davidberge5851]

Well, I’ll “fool” you too… one “musician” who really epitomizes what you are talking about: Richard Wagner.

[@christschinwon]

He was in my cab the other week!

[@perigee1275]

Joe Meek. He murdered his landlady.

[@glenwiffen7188]

Excellent piece

[@HB-zi3og]

In 2012 started doing a list on RYM called 'The most Evil Band in the World' that I lost interest in. For the record I got as far as: Band name: 'Fill 'em Full of Leadbelly' (a Rolf Harris covers band) Vocals - Mike Love, Gene Vincent Guitars - Charlie Manson, Bobby Beausoleil Bass - Sid Vicious Keyboards - Varg Vikernes (Burzum) Drums - Phil Rudd Backing Vocals - Chris Brown, Paris Hilton, and The Manson Girls Producer - Phil Spector

[@mikec6733]

I heard that Ringo could really stink up a bathroom. That's evil, right ?

[@wilddjango]

Yaeh!!!!! Gary GLITTER!!!!! sublime!

[@superflyguy9911]

Dee Dee Ramone told of how painful it was to work with Phil Spectre on the "End of the Century". In one particular moment he recounts: “He levelled his gun at my heart and then motioned for me and the rest of the band to get back in the piano room.” The signs were all there folks!

[@GuyJames]

oh yeah, everyone knew what he was like but he was so legendary and successful they put up with it. Until they didn't.

[@dbarker7794]

After watching this, i think Andy belongs in the Top Ten. But seriously, have you read about Spade Cooley?

[@elbib2446]

Varg vikernes,black metal muderer guy,dave holland ex judas priest drummer

[@billybeck]

We create because we were created.

[@sinenkaari5477]

Number 1 Andy Edwards :D

[@Joethedrummer]

The world is real but the world of the mind is not real.

[@sidvicioux]

i just like dialing up brits and listening to them ramble!!

[@alternativepreacher4516]

I personally like a lot of black metal while acknowledging that a lot of the artists were evil/unhinged, so I don't worship them as persons but I still appreciate some of the work they created (Dissection, Mayhem etc.).

[@briandillon8041]

The fellow that was bad fingers manager. Because both of them to commit suicide would be pretty EVIL

[@heresthething41]

I tend to separate the art from the artist. I listen to music from many musicians who I would probably not really like being around. That doesn't negate their talent. I respect the talent & the creativity. But I would not want to hang out with them. I don't even agree with many of their philosophies, which they display in their songs. But I appreciate the wordsmithing aspect of it. And even the expression of their contrary opinions. It is how they feel. I may feel differently. But it is interesting to hear how others process the world they live in.

[@andrewmacardle9872]

But isn't art an extension of the artist's personality. An expression of their creativity, emotional sensibility, genius, or madness. Art is communication. A means of sharing information and engaging interest. Its insighfulness is in the attempt to create something permanent, fragile, or inspiring. The power of 10 pieces of art that have resonated an emotional connection or association. Perhaps the art tells us more about the artist than the artist know of them self. Very revealing, Andy.

[@neilloughran4437]

Sounds like you have an idea for a new Top Trumps edition.

[@paulricketts10]

Jonathan King, Diddy (allegedly), R Kelly, Big Lurch - killed his roommate and ate her, and Leslie Grantham (Dirty Den in Eastenders). Who killed a German taxi driver, decades later was caught wanking online in a Captain Hook outfit and also accused of sexually abusing a school girl. But he released a single called Winners and Losers, so now I've reassessed what is right and wrong and I call Leslie Grantham an alternative voice and an artist who expresses what beauty is!

[@thomascordery7951]

Pushing the click bait title envelope! Love it! Now I'm definitely going to listen through to the end of your non-list. How about the ten most tragically troubled musical geniuses? I'd have poor old Jaco high up on mine. John Bonham. More positively, how about the ten musicians with the most generous hearts? I'll give you two of mine, and then you'll know I'm a bass player, lol. Ron Carter and Victor Wooten.

[@cbolt4492]

Mad video

[@ThreeBeingOne]

I’m here for the rambling. That is why I’m here

[@kingofallmediums2123]

Andy is the 🐐 of music podcaster! 😮😮😮😮😮😊😊😊😊

[@kingofallmediums2123]

Factoid: Andy is really from Charlotte, North Carolina! He does a really good English accent 😂😂😂😂😂 😯 😯 😯 😯 😯

[@Liam-jx4zb]

GG Allin was pretty evil to his audience tbh

[@johngranata5515]

Sid Vicious killed that thing he was dating, Spungeon.

[@sjbang5764]

I remember reading about Roy Estrada, and it made me sick. Ater recovering, I kept thinking, surely Frank Zappa wasn't aware of this. Knowing what we all know about Mr. Zappa, I'm sure he was not. For being so evil, nice video Andy. "Without music, life would be a mistake" ________ Friedrich Nietzsche

[@HakanTunaMuzik]

Napolioan is also evil, went to prison for Grape by force in the early 90's but for some reason Zappa fans give him a pass, sick.

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

Estrada was convicted in 1994, about 25 years after he worked with Zappa and about 20 years after he worked with Beefheart. I don't know when he initially engaged in the activity he was convicted of. The Grandmothers hired him after his first prison sentence... maybe they figured he served his time. I am not defending Estrada but I don't think something like that would have arisen in casual conversation in the 1960s. Also, I have not read the court records, and I am no expert on this topic but it's possible (emphasize possible) Estrada didn't head in this direction until later in life. So Zappa probably didn't have any idea about this. This is truly horrible behavior but many people didn't know how widespread this was until the dawn of the 1990s---and there seemed to be an explosion of reported activity, especially by celebrities, from the late 1980s onward. Gary Glitter, Jimmy Saville were people I was expecting to see mentioned, for example. Pete Townshend was arrested and charged with looking at child pornography online-he said it was to understand abuse he had suffered. However, the act was still illegal. It's very possible that other performers committed heinous acts and we just don't know about them. Toni Braxton and Ted Nugent had managers that forced both into bankruptcy-in Braxton's case, three times. Johnny Winter's manager kept him hooked on heroin for decades so the manager could maintain control of Winter. Andrew Loog Oldham never paid any royalties to Immediate Records artists and sheltered in South America for decades. Actuel records and other record companies failed to pay artists. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Mackenzie Phillips reported sexual abuse from her father John Phillips of the Mamas and Papas. Miles Davis and Charlie Mingus both acted as pimps at certain times in their lives. David Crosby-who I never liked-would often spike the drinks of people with LSD. I feel pretty sure I have not covered everything. I'm surprised Andy had trouble coming up with 10; I would say there are hundreds to pick from, including the Swedish heavy metal guy who burned down a church!

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

​@@HakanTunaMuzikI didn't know that about NMB. Could be because he wasn't one of my favorite Zappa singers. I always paid more attention to the instrumentals in Zappa's music; the lyrics (except in the early years) were far less important to me. I liked Zappa, Collins, and others far less than I liked NMB, although he was clearly talented. But the music was always much more my focus. I can't speak for others. This was the first time I heard about NMB's offenses, to be honest.

[@GuyJames]

@@garygomesvedicastrology The David Crosby documentary is interesting in that he pretty much admits he was a bit of an arsehole his whole life and has ended up with multiple enemies, and he does appear genuinely contrite

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

I think Crosby is a special case because I think he set O'List on a spiral that wrecked his career (although O'List had made a bit of a recovery, but nowhere near where he could have ended up). O'List could have taken more responsibility, but hindsight is 20/20.

[@FloatingAnarchy61]

It's strange that a lot of people see Manson as a hero of the counterculture. I remember being at Stonehenge festival in 83 or 84. All types of strange people used to be there, I used to think where do these people go the rest of the year, add very strong acid supplied by the convoy and it could get pretty wild. Anyway I spotted a stall called The friends of Charles Manson. I decided to investigate and tried to talk to one of the blokes running it. This wasn't some 50 year old acid casualty, he looked younger than me, and I was in my early 20's. He didn't seem to be talking directly to me, but to a space above my head. He said, 'Charlie said, I am a mirror, and what you see in me is you'. I just said to him, 'well that's just crap 6th form philosophy, is that the best you've got'. Some of them though looked genuinely scary. Most of the bands back in the day who got ripped off would probably think their managers were evil, the likes of Don Arden known for dangling people out of windows by their ankles. Peter Grant as well, although he was very protective towards the band. I love this story though. During one of Zeps early tours of America Jimmy Page was being hassled by some American sailors, pullìng his hair, calling him a faggot, etc. Grant came up behind one of them, spun him around, picked him up one handed by the throat, and snarled 'What's your fucking game Popeye', before dropping him on the floor in a heap. Needles to say the rest of them legged it pretty sharpish.

[@TheloniousCube]

"a lot of people see Manson as a hero of the counterculture" - what do you mean by "a lot"? I've never heard this from anyone

[@FloatingAnarchy61]

​A lot of musicians had an unhealthy fascination with him. Trent Reznor actually moved into Sharon Tate's old house and set up a recording studio there. Tate's sister accused him of exploiting her sisters death and he later regretted his decision to use the house. Genesis P Orridge was another during his time in Throbbing Gristle, and of course Marilyn Manson. You can dismiss a lot of the bands as doing it for shock value for sure. But a disturbing cult did grow up around him, especially after the publication of the book Helter Skelter in the mid 70's by the prosecutor in the trial Victor Bugliosi. T Shirts and all sorts of paraphernalia are available even today. Some people use the argument that 'Charlie never killed anyone', conveniently overlooking the power he held over the Family. Others saw it as an attack on the rich and privileged, which aligned with the countercultures anti materialism credo. Also one of the main reasons for Manson's philosophy of Helter Skelter was to provoke a race war, something that the Alt-right have picked up on in recent years. I want to make it clear though that in no way do I condone any of this, he was a scumbag, but he does seem to attract this unhealthy fascination.

[@JamesZweck-qw9gm]

A little late to the party on this one but Leadbelly and Howlin' Wolf both killed people.