The TEN Most EVIL MUSICANS Ever | Philosophy Sunday

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[@doccyclopz]

"Gary Glitter, my idol when I was a little kid. I'm glad I never met him, mind!"~Andy Edwards The funniest thing I've heard all day!😄

[@DrakodanSRL]

"There's not enough murderers in rock and roll." - Andy Edwards

[@BelindaandRockyInternetDitties]

Especially when certain musicians were CANCELLED for NO REASON, online. 🤔👽

[@tomconner2326]

One Phil Specter crime Andy didn't mention is that hair style.

[@nodiggity9472]

Pretty sure that was a wig.

[@robertsutton7949]

Like an evil Art Garfunkel

[@kgrant67]

I'm 7 minutes into this video. If Andy doesn't hurry up and tell us he's joking and that he actually does have a well thought out list, he will end up on my list of most evil musicians😂

[@jonhowe2960]

Yes, this is a form of torture

[@thomascordery7951]

19 minutes in and, at least for me, Andy's musings have become more interesting than any list ever could be.

[@SpookyLuvCookie]

Hope you made it through to the juice

[@kgrant67]

I did. Towards the end I was wishing I had waited to comment. Was a great discussion@@SpookyLuvCookie

[@kgrant67]

I agree! @@thomascordery7951

[@user-pj9qz6mc2w]

You can find lists on KZbin even if you need a roadmap to wipe your rear end. I click on Andy for humor and interesting content. Never disappointed.

[@klapsigaarenbasgitaar1931]

I can't believe no one mentioned Michael Jackson. I can't help but feel a bit weird when I play his music with my kids around.

[@GuyJames]

agree. if he was a lesser musician he'd have been totally cancelled but people don't want to know

[@MauriceHotblack]

Louis Walsh for inflicting Boyzone, Westlife, Take That, Johnny Logan and Jedward on us.

[@williamwinslow6582]

I just tried to share this on my FB page. Facebook removed it for being "misleading". What a joke. Anyway, this is what I wanted to share with my friends: Andy exemplifies the principle that HOW one thinks is as important, or more important than what one concludes. This was a great video.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Wow...I've been cancelled...finally!!!!

[@williamwinslow6582]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Crimes against The Algorithm

[@squareeyedgit]

Captain Beefheart is a tricky one for me - the way Don treated his band during the creation of Trout Mask Replica, going from what John French has written and the others confirmed, sounds at its worst like full-on psychological torture, peppered with occasional physical violence. Nobody was killed, and nobody was REALLY forced to stay in the situation, but for a multitude of reasons they did stay, and the biggest reason was that they all realised that what they were creating was something incredible. A comment section isn't the best place to discuss and debate Don's modus operandi, I've rewritten this paragraph six times now. Suffice to say that Don did some really nasty, manipulative shit, but out of it we get Trout Mask Replica (and the rest).

[@jeremys5576]

Van Vliet was a bossy control freak, but hardly evil.

[@drummusicinc4027]

Mickey Harts father was a champion rudimental snare drummer. He scammed the Grateful Dead out of hundreds of thousands of dollars and went on the lamb. Hence the song, “He’s gone” which they wrote about him.

[@TheloniousCube]

lam, no b

[@absolutelypositively]

Great song too. I remember my first GD show. It was in Chicago at the Uptown theater (yes I see your CB Logo). I pretty much was mesmerized watching Kreutzmann and Hart all night. Their sense of timing drumming together. Wasn’t til after drums/space that I realized Jerry was on stage too. They were on that night big time. But those drummers were so captivating in their timing and seeming love of doing what they do. I can watch that show here on YT. Every few years I revisit. So glad someone smuggled in a video recorder.

[@craigtodd8297]

The only time during the course of the whole week, that i laugh good and proper, is when I am watching Andy.

[@onsenkuma1979]

Do murderers OF music count? If so then there's plenty of those...

[@mihranbobson7753]

Perfect 😂

[@edwardyazinski3858]

The list os currently endless

[@glenwiffen7188]

Excellent piece

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

Charles Mingus one said that we are told to remember the good and forget the bad about people who pass away. The only person he could not remember anything bad about was Eric Dolphy.

[@lukaskindt]

Very thought-provoking video! I have some difficulty labeling people as good or evil. I think everyone does both good things and bad things. And I don't think the good someone does can outwash the bad, but neither can the bad outwash the good. I know a lot of people don't agree with me on this, but I think you should be able to love a person for the good they do, while still hating the bad. I don't think those two things are mutually exclusive.

[@midlander4]

I don't see why The Lighthouse Family get a hall pass here

[@steveunderwood3683]

I'm only a couple if minutes in, but I feel this is going to be a setup for a bunch of "criminal record" jokes.

[@cybermanne]

This video format is pretty hillarious.

[@arthurroschbooksandmusic7700]

Richard Wagner. Maybe not a killer but still pretty sketchy. BTW I love his music!

[@klapsigaarenbasgitaar1931]

He held some dodgy political views that were completely mainstream at the time.

[@alanthomson1227]

Salieri

[@ChrisYossarian]

Following up on Leadbelly, Blues Singer and Gitarrist T-Model Ford was sentenced to 10 Years prison for murder in the 1940ies. I managed a tour with him around 2000 where I met a great, committed artist with an independent mind and a pleasant guy to deal with.

[@thomascordery7951]

A turbulent flight taken deliberately through some very nasty weather. Not sure where it goes from here, but you've landed it, Andy! As they say, any landing you can walk away from is a good one. Strong ending.

[@johannystrom2444]

Hi Andy, I follow your videos and enjoy them a lot for various reasons - I get to hear about my fav musicians, I get much tips for music to listen to (like Five Alarm Funk). I enjoyed your thoughts about the unique English estethic which I as a Swede have an unexplainable fondness for. What I say is that you go beyond the music and have deep thoughts around it in your special way . This may very well be your most profound or at least a step in a profounder direction video to date. This channel develops in a curiouser and curiouser way, and I like it.

[@jamesswapinski9190]

Jack The Ripper played one hell of a horn.

[@jimmycampbell78]

My Musical Axis of Evil is Robbie Williams, Coldplay, Mike Love from the Beach Boys and Don Henley.

[@GuyJames]

+1 for Mike Love. Wanker.

[@nielshoogev1]

That was a truly awesome video. I missed it when it came out, but enjoyed it nonetheless, about a month out of sync. I don't care if you do lists or not. I don't really value the actual ranking much if you do. How in the world is one sublime prog or fusion album better than another sublime one? However, I do love your explanations, your rants, you waffling. You have found a great balance between profundity and nonsense.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@littlegrant]

Well done. I too have much thought on all this. And there may be some that feel I am evil. I am not alone here. All subjective? Relative?

[@Oenloveslife]

You're cracking me up in this intro 😂

[@stevelewis9317]

Frank Zappa: “Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best."

[@JimDooley]

OMG, I paused the video to look up Ian Watkins. Why did you even say his name?!!! Now I'm afraid to hip play again. 😬

[@Innerspace100]

As a Norwegian, I am all too familiar with that infamous sub genre known as black metal. And in there, there's been some real stinkers... Øystein "Euronymous" Aarseth, co-founder and guitar player of Mayhem. If the stories surrounding their lead singer Pelle "Dead" Ohlin's suicide is true, then I think he gives even Varg, his murderer, a run for his money with regards to evil... There are also some pretty disturbing stories about Kristian "Gaahl" Espedal, the former singer of Gorgoroth... And what was the name of that guy who murdered someone at the Olympic Park in Lillehammer.... can't remember... Was it Bård Eitun? It might have been...

[@daverigby23]

Varg used to blog on KZbin. From some of the bits of informtion gave out, he's living not far from me i,n Limousin, France

[@VIDSTORAGE]

Gary ,Lead and Phil were all one of the good guys in life but what flipped them into being what they are known for now ,what flips the switch that makes the good guy turn sour ?

[@paulkenyon3372]

If an artist goes icky for you then you know when its just too icky

[@christiantaylor4027]

Andy you have risen to the top of the list.

[@christiantaylor4027]

Don't worry I'll be back. Love the show. Black page episode was actually instructive. Cheers.

[@BelindaandRockyInternetDitties]

GREAT TOPIC. 🌟🌟

[@SoundtrackAudioCom]

To be fair Rolf Harris did murder Stairway to Heaven! ... this was like a top ten list from the film 'Inception'.

[@PeterWasted]

I didn't know about Roy Estrada. Very sad. In the spirit of philosophy, some might say that the truly evil musicians are the ones we don't know about.

[@jeremys5576]

Today's increasingly fractured, tribalistic world direly needs a refresher course in recognising nuance and the shades of grey which make up reality and the human condition. Thank you for championing these truths so eloquently, and with such humour and imagination. Wonderful video.

[@Whit-mh9nt]

Joins the ranks of the evil musicians with his intro..Evil show, Andy...

[@PeterWetherill]

There is one jazz musicisn that went crazy and shot both of his sons one died and the other crippled then he killed himself. He was considered and still is considered one of the best jazz trombonists ever. His name is Frank Rosolino. He was a member of supersax and 10 months before he recorded a song that featured him called Gloomy Sunday. This song is also called the suicide song.

[@pfaessel1]

His wife dumped him for another woman: then he went REALLY crazy!

[@PeterWetherill]

Actually, his ex-wife who was the mother of his two sons killed herself after their divorce. Frank was cheating on her. Shortly before he did the evil deed he mentioned that he wanted the family to be back together again in heaven.

[@cbolt4492]

10:54 Roy Estrada on Oh in the sky is superb

[@blackcatcentralmusic]

We're getting deep now ;-) All human beings are flawed. I make a distinction between people who are fallen versus evil. Director and writer Ken Russell often explored the theme of bad people creating great art: Delius ("The Song of Summer"), Strauss ("Dance of the Seven Veils"), Liszt and Wagner ("Lisztomania"). In "Lisztomania" there is a beautiful scene in heaven with Liszt, his loves, and daughter Cosima. After the ensemble plays "Liebestraum" (a recurring musical theme in the film), Marie D'Agoult laments that they were all horrible and selfish but, "The bad is dead and buried. The best of us lives on enshrined in his (Liszt's) music. And that's for everyone to share. Forever." (paraphrasing from memory).

[@larryzink8978]

Your question at hand requires more careful investment. The question is actually one of good art vs non good. One is healthy for culture and the other is a trapdoor to living hellscape. To be human one must judge what is good and bad. Accept and reject. Your right ; ethics need continuing gradual thoughtful revision. But taboos are the guadrails, bulwarks to anarchy. Wer'e all of us in over our heads and as a serious fine artist I wholeheartedly appreciate your tackling this mighty subject. Rave on rave on!

[@JoeBeaven]

Bard "Faust" Eithun

[@craigtodd8297]

"The art should stand up for itself as art" "And should not matter as to the composer" That is the strongest sentence I have heard in years. And is very brave.

[@mleesh9370]

My top 5 is: #1 Varg Vikernes, #2 - #5 the members of Phish

[@TheloniousCube]

Why Phish?

[@NathanielPrinceCoulter]

I’m here for the rambling. That is why I’m here

[@dbarker7794]

After watching this, i think Andy belongs in the Top Ten. But seriously, have you read about Spade Cooley?

[@oolongoolong789]

British Classical musicians: Robert King - In 2007 convicted of fourteen charges of indecent assault, some against minors, and jailed for 3 years 9 months. Philip Pickett - In February 2015 he received an 11-year prison sentence for the rape and sexual assault of pupils at the Guildhall School.

[@heresthething41]

I tend to separate the art from the artist. I listen to music from many musicians who I would probably not really like being around. That doesn't negate their talent. I respect the talent & the creativity. But I would not want to hang out with them. I don't even agree with many of their philosophies, which they display in their songs. But I appreciate the wordsmithing aspect of it. And even the expression of their contrary opinions. It is how they feel. I may feel differently. But it is interesting to hear how others process the world they live in.

[@sinenkaari5477]

Number 1 Andy Edwards :D

[@neilloughran4437]

Sounds like you have an idea for a new Top Trumps edition.

[@andrewmacardle9872]

But isn't art an extension of the artist's personality. An expression of their creativity, emotional sensibility, genius, or madness. Art is communication. A means of sharing information and engaging interest. Its insighfulness is in the attempt to create something permanent, fragile, or inspiring. The power of 10 pieces of art that have resonated an emotional connection or association. Perhaps the art tells us more about the artist than the artist know of them self. Very revealing, Andy.

[@cbolt4492]

Mad video

[@martinpirint8559]

This is the most EVIL video. It is only slightly LESS EVIL that Phil Spector's production on Let It Be.

[@sidvicioux]

i just like dialing up brits and listening to them ramble!!

[@paulmcmillen5925]

Maybe Jim Gordan's mom was the evil one and he was only one to see her real side.

[@Mj323_bb]

The very last thing I expected to find in this particular video was a reference to my favorite musical: Paint Your Wagon ! : ) [ not evil, lol ]

[@mattf9076]

Mrs. Fenty : You should read the Bible, Mr. Rumson. Ben Rumson : I have read the Bible, Mrs. Fenty. Mrs. Fenty : Didn't that discourage you about drinking? Ben Rumson : No, but it sure killed my appetite for readin'!

[@thomascordery7951]

Pushing the click bait title envelope! Love it! Now I'm definitely going to listen through to the end of your non-list. How about the ten most tragically troubled musical geniuses? I'd have poor old Jaco high up on mine. John Bonham. More positively, how about the ten musicians with the most generous hearts? I'll give you two of mine, and then you'll know I'm a bass player, lol. Ron Carter and Victor Wooten.

[@sjbang5764]

I remember reading about Roy Estrada, and it made me sick. Ater recovering, I kept thinking, surely Frank Zappa wasn't aware of this. Knowing what we all know about Mr. Zappa, I'm sure he was not. For being so evil, nice video Andy. "Without music, life would be a mistake" ________ Friedrich Nietzsche

[@HakanTunaMuzik]

Napolioan is also evil, went to prison for Grape by force in the early 90's but for some reason Zappa fans give him a pass, sick.

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

Estrada was convicted in 1994, about 25 years after he worked with Zappa and about 20 years after he worked with Beefheart. I don't know when he initially engaged in the activity he was convicted of. The Grandmothers hired him after his first prison sentence... maybe they figured he served his time. I am not defending Estrada but I don't think something like that would have arisen in casual conversation in the 1960s. Also, I have not read the court records, and I am no expert on this topic but it's possible (emphasize possible) Estrada didn't head in this direction until later in life. So Zappa probably didn't have any idea about this. This is truly horrible behavior but many people didn't know how widespread this was until the dawn of the 1990s---and there seemed to be an explosion of reported activity, especially by celebrities, from the late 1980s onward. Gary Glitter, Jimmy Saville were people I was expecting to see mentioned, for example. Pete Townshend was arrested and charged with looking at child pornography online-he said it was to understand abuse he had suffered. However, the act was still illegal. It's very possible that other performers committed heinous acts and we just don't know about them. Toni Braxton and Ted Nugent had managers that forced both into bankruptcy-in Braxton's case, three times. Johnny Winter's manager kept him hooked on heroin for decades so the manager could maintain control of Winter. Andrew Loog Oldham never paid any royalties to Immediate Records artists and sheltered in South America for decades. Actuel records and other record companies failed to pay artists. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Mackenzie Phillips reported sexual abuse from her father John Phillips of the Mamas and Papas. Miles Davis and Charlie Mingus both acted as pimps at certain times in their lives. David Crosby-who I never liked-would often spike the drinks of people with LSD. I feel pretty sure I have not covered everything. I'm surprised Andy had trouble coming up with 10; I would say there are hundreds to pick from, including the Swedish heavy metal guy who burned down a church!

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

​@@HakanTunaMuzikI didn't know that about NMB. Could be because he wasn't one of my favorite Zappa singers. I always paid more attention to the instrumentals in Zappa's music; the lyrics (except in the early years) were far less important to me. I liked Zappa, Collins, and others far less than I liked NMB, although he was clearly talented. But the music was always much more my focus. I can't speak for others. This was the first time I heard about NMB's offenses, to be honest.

[@GuyJames]

@@garygomesvedicastrology The David Crosby documentary is interesting in that he pretty much admits he was a bit of an arsehole his whole life and has ended up with multiple enemies, and he does appear genuinely contrite

[@garygomesvedicastrology]

I think Crosby is a special case because I think he set O'List on a spiral that wrecked his career (although O'List had made a bit of a recovery, but nowhere near where he could have ended up). O'List could have taken more responsibility, but hindsight is 20/20.

[@alternativepreacher4516]

I personally like a lot of black metal while acknowledging that a lot of the artists were evil/unhinged, so I don't worship them as persons but I still appreciate some of the work they created (Dissection, Mayhem etc.).

[@nazznate]

An objectively good act coming from an inherently evil person doesn't negate the act as being good. A pedophile rapist murderer giving food to a starving person doesn't change the fact that the pedo saved a life out of kindness. That sheds a new light. Also when I learned that George Clinton threw rocks of cocaine on the basement floor for his musicians to fight over instead of paying them proper money, it took a lot of fun out of the music I loved. I couldn't change that bad feeling. It didn't change how good the music was, but it did askew my perception. So, Andy, I love that you're asking the hard questions. Is art so high on the list that gut level perception of the listener doesn't matter? I realize that wasn't quite the point of your vid, but that associated facet didn't get addressed.

[@mariobarrela]

Hello Andy I think you don’t no this history about this musician and evil. It’s about John McLaughlin and a tune from Extrapolation. I discovered that there is a very sad and tragic story behind the tune “Binky’s Beam” on Extrapolation, who was composed as a tribute to his friend the innovative bass player Bonny McKenzie. You can read it here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binky_McKenzie

[@jpalberthoward9]

If you're not confined to just strictly rock guys, there's Pat Hare and Spade Cooley.

[@larryzink8978]

Spade was a nasty boy.

[@billybeck]

We create because we were created.

[@astronomer747]

Musicians are often traumatized, highly emotionally sensitive people with a lot of personal openness. That's part of what gives them their gift for songwriting, but such people also tend towards addiction, mental illness, and relational instability. I think you can create good art and be a terrible person. Beethoven was an abusive uncle. He served as a surrogate father for his brothers in some capacity. That abusive behavior he obviously had inherited from his father Johann. He drove his poor nephew to suicide with his moral austerity. Although he really did care about his nephew I think, he was a terrible figure to have care for him. It's undeniable that this is some of the most well composed music even if it came from a very emotionally unstable and abusive character. Most of the great musicians are kind of tragic people that live chaotic lives. Music is a kind of therapy for them I think.

[@halfalligator6518]

I think you're correct that art is art, and on its own merits it shouldn't matter what the creator did. Unless of course part of the artistic value is tied up in the story or life experience of the artist (which is often the case). But whatever the answer is to that question... music can still be less enjoyable once you learn something awful about the musician. It's just unavoidable for some of us. Maybe a good analogy would be having a conversation with a friend before and after you figured out something horribly evil they did. The conversation might hit all the same points, but in the background you'll just be cringing at who your company is.

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Yes... that is the dilemma fundamentally that I'm trying to deal with here

[@craigtodd8297]

I think you'll find that an evil person can be incredibly creative and artistic. BUT. The art of the honest and pure will find a shadow and can surpass. Good conqueres bad. Just.

[@LWilloxMusic]

The Batchelor Boy

[@grimtraveller7923]

During the summer I read, back to back, Miles Davies' autobiography and "All or nothing" which is a biography of Steve Marriott. For weeks, it didn't escape me just how nasty and vile both men were. The interesting thing about music {and I guess sport, politics, and film} is that many of the practitioners are pretty vile at times. But then, so might we be at times. However, it is a ridiculous notion to look to art and artists for morality ! Who are you going to take lessons from ?

[@joshuafrank4643]

2 examples come to mind for me: Michael Jackson (if he did in fact sexually abuse young boys), and TV On the Radio (who at one point like Roger Waters started voicing their political views regarding Palestine). With Jackson, I never listened to his music that much prior to his death. After his death, I started to listen to and appreciate some of his hits, like "Rock With Me" and "Billy Jean." Andy, you make a very good point about artists who might be "evil" and yet produce upbeat tunes that we can all enjoy dancing to. Despite what Michael Jackson may have done in his private life, this does not change my appreciation for his music. As for TV On the Radio, I would say the same exact thing. I like their music as much now as I did prior to finding out that they had opinions that differed widely from my own, but to me this is kind of like Crosby, Stills, & Nash getting politically involved during the Vietnam War protests of the late 1960s. It doesn't much bother me, as long as it doesn't get in the way of the quality of the music these artists produced, and in my view their politics never really interfered with their creative endeavors.

[@richardmace1428]

It's the same thing with Hollywood movie actors/producers etc - when it is revealed that they have been up to some dark nefarious activities - does that immeditialy negate and diminish their work? How about Alan Price from the Animals who managed to have his name added to the publishing rights (I think) of House of the Rising Sun - thus collecting the royalties and not sharing anything with his fellow band members? Also Sting who was guilty of not giving writing credits to Andy Summers who came up with some of the riffs that made the songs so popular. The problem with so-called 'truth' is that it is no longer accepted if it might 'offend' someone. People do need to get to grips with communitarianism - where you may have been fed a 'noble' cause but the methods used by the 'woke' are evil - shutting people down - censorship - mob rules etc. There can only be one outcome and that is the way of all totalitarian regimes - genocide.

[@Birdlives247]

How do I get the last eight minutes back?

[@gregoryg3256]

🌠 dude ..really good video ...ona dark subject ...your even funny @ times...u rock...

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Glad you enjoyed

[@foobar476]

Maybe such a list is impossible because the true top ten just plain got away with it. How do we define evil anyway? Is it a state of being or a collection of past deeds? Maybe the people with the darkest hearts have never committed an obviously heinous crime that gets them a tag such as "murderer" or "paedophile".

[@JamesZweck-qw9gm]

A little late to the party on this one but Leadbelly and Howlin' Wolf both killed people.

[@hippojuice23]

Evil or douhebaggy? There's A LOT of doughbaggery!

[@FireMoon42]

Richard Finch... should be on the list There's a British promoter I'd add who's stiffed bands out of millions over the years.

[@grimtraveller7923]

For me it is simplified by using a biblical definition of evil, which is anything that God {as revealed through the bible} deems to be outside of what he considers to be good. In that sense, every human being is, at some point, in a state of evil. Now, with that in mind, though we may find ourselves in an evil {I prefer the word 'sinful'} state, this does not mean we are incapable of good actions or good thoughts. It just means that we are continually prone to things that even we deem to be wrong. One can rag on "religion" {I do} or the way of Christ {specifically - I used to. But for the last 39 years, it's the way I've walked}, but there we find something that, despite the view of those that don't believe, can be observed. Daily. Many times a day. So, if someone in a sinful state is musically {or in other artistic disciplines} learned enough, they can create great art, no doubt about it. It is always going to be a nuanced, paradoxical argument as to the degree one's persona bleeds into one's art. As far as morality goes, I think that those that are generally morally correct can still be wrong about things and the vice is versa. Sometimes, nasty people can point out truths that the supposedly moral cannot or will not or choose not to see. But that doesn't mean I'm going to look to them for my moral framework. John Lennon, whose works as a Beatle I dig and whose opinions I find interesting {whether I agree with them or not}, spiked a couple of girls with LSD ~ unknown to them. At that point, his wife was away. So here you have a guy, planning to cheat again on his wife and potentially damaging a couple of young girls. Am I seriously going to look at him for some kind of moral leadership ? No I am not and that's an example that can be replicated across hundreds, if not thousands of artists. Sometmes you can separate an artist's life style from their art and sometimes you can't. Each must make up their own mind.

[@nodiggity9472]

"Great art will always be great art, despite the peculiarities of the artist, and age is just a number" ~ Gary Glitter. (probably)

[@wilddjango]

Yaeh!!!!! Gary GLITTER!!!!! sublime!

[@mattd8725]

That guy who wrote amazing grace was a bit of a rotter. He even admits in the very words that he is a wretch.

[@roystonsbailey]

You are hilarious

[@MrSatampra]

I think the goal of every artist, whether they are conscious of it or not, is to create something greater than themselves. Doing that is probably more difficult for someone who is truly evil, but I think it is still possible. Is the child of an evil person incapable of being good and doing great things? The moral failings of the artist don't attach to what they create, any more than they would to a child of the artist.

[@jdmresearch]

Captain beefheart, the way they recorded trout mask replica… some people say Fripp, the way he treated some collaborators (Judy Dyble… and Mel Collins in 1972).

[@edwardyazinski3858]

Pat Hare wicked good blues guitarist for Muddy among others. Shot his wife and then a cop.

[@superflyguy9911]

Dee Dee Ramone told of how painful it was to work with Phil Spectre on the "End of the Century". In one particular moment he recounts: “He levelled his gun at my heart and then motioned for me and the rest of the band to get back in the piano room.” The signs were all there folks!

[@GuyJames]

oh yeah, everyone knew what he was like but he was so legendary and successful they put up with it. Until they didn't.

[@cybermanne]

I don't think the knowledge that a musician is evil would change my perception of how good their music is. I would however probably not listen to their music. I have an example of this that is quite recent. There is this South African band "Die Antword" that were quite popular on youtube like 5 years ago. Lots of Hollywood actors were involved in their music videos. And they were quite edgy and different. Some of their songs were pretty catchy and interesting, and I kinda liked them, even though that style of music isn't really my thing. But a few years ago it turned out that the people in that band were really nasty and horrible people. Maybe not on the level of murdering, but some disturbing stuff. And since I found that out I haven't listened tottheir music, and not felt like it would be fun to watch one of their videos. But I think my opinion on the music that I have heard from them is probably the same if I were to listen to it. But then again this wasn't my all time favourite band or something. So if Pink Floyd and Metallica turned out to have a child molesting, cannibal cult, my reaction might be different.

[@jimburris8955]

Look, I have been conned before though usually breasts involved...Its the hair and constant flouting of it!! When your at the point of the brush back coverup poneytail, the way Andy runs his hands cotinually through that thick head of hair is what's evil!!

[@sicko_the_ew]

RL Burnside shot an intruder dead. He was happy about it. Instead of some dead Burnsides, there was some perp, dead instead, and he looked upon the body and knew that this was good. In an interview he smiled when asked about the incident, and said, "In an emergency, don't call 911; call 357". Something like that. He said it better. He was a great lyricist. Now some people would insist that just by not waiting to see if the police might arrive on time to save his family from what might well have been a lethal threat (but maybe not), and instead, "calling 357", he chose Evil over Good. Because of whatever reason that can be invoked to attribute this blame upon him. The way I see it, he had a point, and the people who are angry at him for killing the intruder instead of trying something _ex cathedra_ holy and righteous, but practically risky, dangerous, and probably frightening, also have a point. (But he was quite skinny when he was young. Not exactly built for physically subduing tough thugs who smash their way into your house to beat you into submission.) Another point, though, is that he created some sublime blues music. So it could be argued that the world at large lost nothing by losing the thug, whereas it would've lost someone of immeasurable value to everyone else, had he suffered sufficient injury in the assault that was on its way. What if the thug had damaged his right hand, for instance? Maybe we don't get a say in this, but it seems quite obvious that according to the rest of us there's a clear preferable outcome in the contest between "dead perp" and "injured bluesman". The bluesman wins. The music he makes is too valuable to lose to something like that to a choice to be very very good, and not call 357 to solve the crime emergency of that moment. Exhibit A: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jonZl2Rod85prJo

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

RL Burnside is in my top 5 Blues musicians

[@sicko_the_ew]

@@AndyEdwardsDrummer In my opinion (which is unfortunately worth much, but still, at least it's something) he was the rea deal, right down to the marrow. I think maybe to be great in the blues someone has to have a lot of what a religious person might call soul, or spirit or something personal like that. Maybe that's so for all music, but to me it feels like in the case of the blues that certain something about the musician is especially important. (The certain personal something that the musician brings along just by existing and being who they are might make a passable emergency philosophy Sunday starting point if you ever run out of topics. Not that that's likely.)

[@OlejrgenBryn-jp5vq]

Great video… I teach architecture and this question is even more “pressing” in archtecture: I was in Berlin visting th olympic arena built for the 1936 venue.. my colleague had to whisper that it actually was beautiful… while the same colegue praised th Coloseum in Rome (where they killed for fun) So when does art actually get ok! 5,10,100 or 2000 years…? Could you make video discussing the Woke cultures impact on what to like and what to not like?

[@googoogjoobgoogoogjoob]

Yeah, when Freddie Starr ate Lea’s hamster, and Ozzy bit the head off a bat at a Des Moines gig, I kinda lost a bit of respect for RnR.

[@kzustang]

Very interesting and I have to admit I've been thinking about this thing a lot lately. What about R. Kelly or other women molesters? Michael Jackson? Was he just a poor guy? Child Molester? If you include Spector, we can include Harvey Weinstein which produced great music as well. What about the fact that the songs we like are made by a huge amount of people? If the singer didn't write the song? Is it enough that one artist in the band or in the production team is evil? What about producers who stole money from their artists? Many evil people wherever money is. I just have more and more questions. Maybe music has a higher morality than the social moral? I think you hit a good point saying that it is very much about how much the evil which we attribute to the artist comes across in the art? There are great artists I wouldn't listen to, because of their character, without them ever committing an actual crime...but then...I'll never stop listening to Zappa or Beefheart because Roy Estrada was a criminal. Shame on me.

[@peterpeper4837]

How come you havnt done a video about Nucleus? Aint fancy them?

[@GuyJames]

he has mentioned them quite a few times, e.g. in the recent video about British Jazz

[@LaNwamNi]

Leadbelly? Or does he just count as violent?

[@ChordtoChord]

How about sweet little Claudine Longet? Who was convicted for killing her boyfriend Spider Sabich.

[@mankdeems251]

Objective sublimeness of art independent of its creator... I wonder if there is such a thing. 🤔 Wagner's an interesting one

[@Rog5446]

Andy missed the biggest murderer in music, that being Des O'Connor, who murdered more songs than any other singer. Andy also missed Ike Turner, who was once asked on a TV chat show, do you beat your wife (Tina) and replied, no more than any other man beats his wife.

[@sleightofmind2016]

Although there was no actual loss of life, allegedly Lars Ulrich killed the snare drum. ;)

[@TheMentalblockrock]

I would change the title to "the ten most evil people in music", which implies the whole music business and not just musicians, and that would allow you to include DJ Jimmy Saville and also Jonathon King. That handily takes you to ten. It's possible, according to some investigative journalists that Saville also participated in murder, and a former Prime Minister is implicated as well.

[@astrogoodvibes6164]

''There is no absolute truth, all is permitted and nothing is forbidden and that's the absolute truth''. That, ladies and gentlemen, is the apex of rationalist thought from the very best minds in the last one hundred years. It's a bit rubbish, isn't it. (we're doomed, aren't we..............unless it turns out it is indeed the devil who's the author of confusion as Grandma used to warn)

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

Post modernist confusion kicked right in the nuts right there!

[@jonathanwoodvincent]

Carlo Gesualdo murdered his wife and her lover. Idi Amin, murderous dictator and cannibal, played the accordion. General Reinhard Heydrich, who orchestrated the final solution, was an accomplished pianist

[@AndyEdwardsDrummer]

I can't picture Amin playing the accordian, he looks like a Tuba guy to me

[@jonathanwoodvincent]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/aILIYYmtlqaAodk&ab_channel=jasondlane1@@AndyEdwardsDrummer

[@Innerspace100]

Heydrich played the violin, didn't he?

[@jonathanwoodvincent]

@@Innerspace100 according to wikipedia, yes, that was his main axe. My source was from somewhere else. Thanks for the correction