The Thieves Guild | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #28

[@wrenwynter9336]

On one character that I was choosing not to join the thieves guild, so when I got to Riften I circled around the market to avoid Brynolf. He followed me, walking slowly, until he got to the edge of the market and then just stood there staring at me with his sad puppy dog face.

[@youstolemyhandleyoutwat]

"Please sir... join my guild..."

[@scyobiempire4450]

Me just followed me into jail to talk to me, I got myself arrested because it turns out telekinesis on a iron ingot to his head is a crime.

[@Seifiros]

Aah, nothing like a good old FudgeMuppet podcast with a good old cup of coffee. Today is a good day!

[@Coyote_Bongwater69]

Same here, coffee and skyrim are great together lol

[@leaflizard8485]

And stealing the rags off a beggar

[@carlosbranco5685]

I'm listening to this WHILE working, WHILE drinking coffee.. It makes things a little bit more bearable !

[@ClvrBstrd]

Dude same

[@DavetheNord]

Yeh, and some Skyrim booooooooing!

[@uscovenant2350]

As for the Thieves Guild, I loved Brynolf as a character and his accent or the way he says Lad.

[@GunGun-cf3ss]

Being called Lad or Lass by Brynjolf Sexiest moments in gaming

[@uscovenant2350]

@@GunGun-cf3ss stfu

[@GunGun-cf3ss]

Lee Rodriguez it's okay you don't have to hide your sexual feelings towards the man

[@uscovenant2350]

@@GunGun-cf3ss at least I'm not offended by being called male or female.

[@GunGun-cf3ss]

Lee Rodriguez neither am I, whatever that has to do with this reply section

[@marshallscot]

I like the idea of the Thieves Guild being involved in all sorts of organized crime like blackmail, smuggling, or jailbreaking. The Skyrim Thieves Guild goes in that direction a little bit but doesn't take full advantage of the concept.

[@PlagueOfGripes]

Nords being a race brimming with "bulging traps" could mean a couple of things. Both of them good depending on your fancy.

[@stevenholt585]

I suppose your right

[@yoindianbro]

I'll see you in sovangarde brother

[@balrogdahomie]

“The Thieves Guild is a bit like a workers Union” Scott is a Pinkerton-loving, boot licking scab confirmed (/sarcasm)

[@Noah_AWICB]

I'm isolating and I need this long-form content to break up the days, thanks to the FudgeMuppet crew

[@yojishinkawa378]

Get well soon fellow fudge-ite.

[@master-jager]

The book Michael mentioned is "Myth or Menace" in oblivion. It mentions that the thieves guild in Morrowind was possibly wiped out, but that some historians believe that they just went deeper undercover. The only canon is whatever your Nerevarine chose, whether to wipe out the thieves guild leaders, or get rid of the corrupt head of the fighters guild

[@marshallscot]

Part of what made the Skyrim Thieves Guild stand out from the other factions though was the distinct separation of the story quests and the side quests which actually make the Guild more successful. Like you can complete the story missions but you're not gonna become Guild Master or see the Guild become rich again until you actually put in the work and do the side quests.

[@Awoken0]

One of the best parts of every week.

[@GhostShadow1030]

Only thing I have to look forward to honestly

[@timcaspers6498]

@@GhostShadow1030 Same here, but it’s these little things that keep me going

[@denisherlock3023]

I'm so glad that we have these fantastic podcasts

[@Niiiiith]

@@timcaspers6498 damn guys that’s kinda sad. Get out and do stuff

[@Niiiiith]

I wish it were more often. I didn’t realize how little they upload. Do the guys have their own channels? Drew specifically....

[@RomanStan]

“Hey nocturnal the skeleton key was stolen” “Yeah, that ok-“ “I will get it back for you” “You really don’t need to do th-“ “I WILL BE BACK”

[@rhett5058]

Please notice me Nocturnal, I’m a tier 3 sub, I put on the cape and everything!

[@gfox-ck5xx]

The Nightingales are just advanced simps.

[@whiterabbitserpentshand5645]

@@gfox-ck5xx I've never returned the Skeleton key, it's too good of an item to let go of

[@charlemagnebrown]

I like how the faction episodes tend to turn into them breaking down what didn't work about the factions in Skyrim.

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

It does get annoying though. Like, we get it. Skyrim isn't perfect. Take off the rose-tinted shades and understand that the lore has always been far more fleshed out than seen in game.

[@SultanFilm]

@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen There are a number of items they seem to always bring up, regarding certain games, or parts of lore they don't like. Which gets draining because we get it.... Such as when it comes to ESO most of the time. We know how you feel, don't need to bring it up all the time.

[@dadshirt6681]

@@SultanFilm so annoying

[@SirAshford]

Thanks to the Fudgemuppet team! Out of all the elder scrolls channels I follow, yours is definitely my favorite. I enjoy watching these videos along with my morning coffee!

[@chrispeacock1257]

On the topic of guild progression, the Oblivion Mages Guild did it really well. The fact you have to go to every city and get a reference for your acceptance into the college, before the storyline even starts, makes it feel so much more fulfilling once you get there and can finally use the spell crafting table etc. Being forced to use a different school of magic in those initial mission made it a proper initiation into a magic guild. It’s an area in which The College of Winterhold was very disappointing.

[@wraithreaper22]

Sapphire's story is brutally shocking to hear. I was not ready when I was a kid and kill bandits without mercy.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

What was het story then?

[@LYBIceman]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231bandits attacked her farm and killed her family when she was young. The bandits abducted her and passed her around the camp for a fortnight. She slit their throats while they were sleeping to escape.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@LYBIceman so then bandits should be killed without mercy

[@MidoriOfTheShuinsen]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 they should to begin with. Sapphire's story is what made my Khajiit thief take up necromancy and a love of black soul gems.

[@GhostShadow1030]

Y’all keep these stories alive and keep intact our understanding and love of these games and worlds

[@jssome7835]

If you ask me, the Thieves guild is one of the more interesting factions

[@weirdreportt]

Yeah true. Reminds me of how Morag Tong was such an important and famous faction in Morrowind back in the days. These are the type of guild that just go deeper and plays a larger role in the society.

[@JP-my7fu]

The only thing I didnt like was the nocturnal nightingale route in skyrim. But thats personal preference.

[@Mortheous]

Agreed

[@sylviaonn4024]

Agreed

[@TehPh1L]

I think every guild has the potential to be very interesting ! It’s a shame that some guilds are clearly lacking depth gameplay wise but also quest wise.

[@luckyjedi429]

31:30 It seems like Bryjnolf is more of the thug and scam artist thief type instead of the sneaky type. I mean you find him in Riften’s market selling “Falmerblood Elixir,” and he also sends you on the debt collection quest.

[@evilmatt6465]

20:46 this is the reason these guilds work so well. They become memorable because of their characters imo. Especially with the DB

[@chuckchuckerson5364]

I got my Fudgemuppet T-shirt, my Fudgemuppet coffee cup, and now it's time for the Fudgemuppet podcast! Sunday work ritual may now begin.

[@michaelmacdonald2928]

The character I started last week just joined the thieves guild and became a nightingale today, and this is the day they release a podcast on the thieves guild. I love it.

[@saber5785]

I really enjoy these podcasts, they both keep me entertained when I am doing boring work and teach me things I don't know or had forgotten about the Elder Scrolls. Hats off to you gentleman for the amazing work!

[@dunnejos8423]

I got the impression that the thuggish quality of the Thieves guild in Riften is because of its decline. In fact Riften's trade and ports have done very poorly and the timeline checks out that the city's economy started tanking around the collapse of the Thieve's Guild. So I definitely think that the guild contributed to the financial stability of the city.

[@theadoremarquis6749]

I love these popcasts!! Thank you guys for making them.

[@michaeltelson9798]

I know people refer to the D&D handbook cover for the reference to stealing the Falmer eyes from that great statue, but that has a previous reference. The 1940 movie “Thief of Bagdad” has a gigantic Hindi style statue in which the thief, Abu (Sabu) climbs to steal a large gem, the All Seeing Eye.

[@rusevii7168]

I really love these podcasts, I listen while doing my artwork and the way you guys talk about stuff really helps me get more imaginative☺️

[@SquiddyHiggenbottom]

"Todd lost the Skeleton Key" is a hell of a meme theory 😂

[@pbjpg.3778]

I love these podcasts keep up the great work! I'd love to see one that talks about the difference between Aetherius and oblivion (if there is one) because I've been confused how the Daedra and Aedera are only different because of where they sided with Lorkhan and yet they reside in totally different places

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

I can explain it to you.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459 plz do

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Ok

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 This will take a lot of time to explain

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

So the planet Nirn exists in the mortal plane known as Mundus.

[@markuswelander8551]

A thieves guild that's really principled about the stealing from the rich thing despite the nature of Nocturnal and so on would be interesting, perhaps focused on the boons one gets from being legitimately charitable.

[@Navili502]

I think you can make a lot of comparisons with the Mages' Guild. It has the same paradox of being a coalition of individualists. A lot of the quests in TES III reflect this idea that they're a bunch of asshole wizards with selfish motivations. Several quests have to do with stealing from other members and sabotaging their research, even though this strictly contradicts the rules you agree to follow when joining the Guild. As much as they say that they're the antithesis of the Great House Telvanni, they have more than one thing in common.

[@MrsDanville]

This podcast is the only reason why i get up this early on a Sunday

[@the_rose_dragon6816]

Nothin like a FudgeMuppet video to help relax on a long drive home from work. Very relaxing love ya guys always excited for a new video

[@austincorreia53]

Honestly this podcast has quickly become the highlight of my Sundays! Thank you as always for the awesome content!🤘🤘🤘

[@Spike2276]

Drew's story with Brynjolf reminded me of a thing that happened back in 2011, where my guitar teacher at the time was a super RPG nerd and we'd spend a lot of time after practice just talking about RPG's and he told me that he would never join with the Stormcloaks in the civil war because when he played Stormcloaks first and Ulfric glitched the fuck out and would not talk to his character when he had to bring back the axe from Balgruuf

[@yolobro2071]

Greatest podcast on KZbin

[@austin7203]

For the thieves guild in Skyrim I would bring a town back into the fold after a main mission. Before the the last main mission I brought all the towns back into the thieves guild. Then I did the last mission. The story felt better to me because of that. Like I brought the guild back to its former glory and get rid of the guy at the end who started it all. A lot more impactful instead of just running through the main quest and coming back to a broken mess of a guild.

[@publiusdraco2557]

That's basically what I do, I grind out the radiant quests, get the town missions done, and suddenly Mercer seeing you as a threat makes a lot more sense.

[@austin7203]

@@publiusdraco2557 yeah for RP reasons it feels a lot better.

[@epicurious6078]

I'm joining the Merengue Tong on my next playthrough of the Saccharine Scrolls V: Pierim.

[@Draethar]

You guys are killing it. I'm just getting back into ESO/Elder Scrolls lore but I got atleast 100 bucks with your names on it if you guys keep entertaining me like this. Thanks for the quality content.

[@loath356]

10:35 Scott : Hieronymous Lex is probably just an upstanding guy. Also Hieronymous Lex going against the city's traditions and taxing the poor in the Waterfront District.

[@Novahen314]

I always felt a little cross when I want to roleplay a thief in Skyrim but don't want to contract my eternal servitude to Daedric Prince. It almost makes me not want to progress past a certain point in the Thieves Guild questline so it isn't a part of my character's "cannon". However, I found myself creating an intricate soul-selling loophole to help "suspend my disbelief": Nocturnal owns my soul if I want to be the Thieves Guild Master, but if I were to then become a werewolf or vampire, my soul NOW belongs to either Hircine or Molag Bal respectively (being a werewolf makes an unnecessary extra step). I then go to Falion in Morthal and get him to cure my vampirism. Now my soul is "mine" again and the Master of the Thieves Guild just stole their eternal servitude from the Patron of Thieves, free now to go to whatever afterlife I please. (I can never roleplay an immortal thief because money starts to mean nothing after a few weeks of eternity.)

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

Stealing the rags off a beggar's back for the lulz is a hilarious DnD idea.

[@zachmiller9175]

Being able to play as an overweight skooma addicted khajiit mage would be so immersive.

[@marketingmark]

I loved how in Morrowind all the shop keeper’s goods were actually in a chest in their store. I hope they bring that back in TES 6.

[@roguedruid1318]

There are 3 nightingales who made a pact for their sect in Skyrim. The thieves guild didn’t steal in riften, they acted more like a mafia family there and did their thieving elsewhere

[@asherglory]

To benefitting from thief organizations, one of my favorite fictional characters is the Patrician in Discworld who, as part of running the city, tells the thieves guild they have a quota of thefts to meet so that it always stays the same

[@dingle1563]

Watched you guys for years. Keep up the awesome work

[@smugglersmoon8852]

The intro will always be so hype

[@ton3not786]

I love this channel cuz it's not some business plot propaganda gaming journalists bullshit...its just genuine Skyrim nerds who talk from a place of an actual fan because they are fans.

[@ton3not786]

The religious aspect of nocturnal should be used to keep members around once they get rich

[@ton3not786]

Like a price of her blessing

[@ryanrizzo4869]

Walk in the Shadows, FudgeMuppet! Thank you as always for your keen insight! Keep up the great content!

[@rogerp.4375]

I would like to see some quests in the upper ranks of the Thieves' Guild focus on stealing non-physical things, such as hope or love. I think those type of quests would be quite memorable.

[@mmyr8ado.360]

I was in the Ragged Flagon talking to Tonilia when this video showed up

[@nathanarthurs3252]

Just at the bit where you touch on gods experiencing everything at once and it got me thinking, are daedra aware of dragon breaks?

[@billygrider24]

These are so relaxing on a long sunday work break

[@theepokedex8514]

2:50 "its almost compatible to a workers union. Like they aren't their own faction. They work for themselves but they mutually benefit by helping each other" Huh, its almost like theyre a guild of thieves.

[@m0derncomput3r88]

Great work so far boys looking forward to this one

[@wastelandwanderer9491]

Wish i had some sweet rolls to eat as i watch this.

[@ericp9479]

Did someone steal yours?

[@wastelandwanderer9491]

@@ericp9479 they sure did. 😂

[@indiana47]

Wizard Garfield is pretty cool.

[@dirtybirdperson4020]

I always think of the Brotherhood as one big organization broken up into a dozen cells (at its height) while the Thieves Guild is a dozens of different organizations more or less networked for fencing black market goods or trading information but never really answerable to one another, likely have different creeds or methods and probably don't coordinate except on the odd job here or there for mutual gain.

[@hungryepicboys8895]

“Like a worker’s union...” I see, almost like some sort of guild for thieves

[@erikpreza2728]

Yes! Houses of Morrowind! I can't wait!

[@jameswalsh2509]

was just thinking this week about starting my first Morrowind thief build and wondering why Fudgemuppet didn’t have a podcast on the thieves guild yet, what a coincidence!

[@adde27]

I think size and stealth is a common trope in fantasy and one that doesn't take into consideration that you can both be very big and agile (look at gymnasts: while not tall, many are very muscular).

[@azuk4727]

Lol Scott “food pads! All of them!.” The real plot of the next game haha.

[@mastephens2009]

So when you say Thieves Guild discussion you really mean “The Elder Scrolls 6” discussion. Not complaining. Love it.

[@ivartheboneless5969]

Loving the podcast been watching it ever week now think that deserves a sub, thanks lads x

[@ton3not786]

They are like an inner city group that's like family and a way up for Skyrim's poverty, kinda like a medieval gang or pickpockets group

[@CthulhuianBunny]

I just hate Brynjolf. No matter how I've gained my coin, he implies that I did it through elicit means. It's like "Bitch, I delved into dwemer ruins and crafted enough dwarven bows to supply an attack on Red Mountain! Don't you dare insinuate that I'm some common criminal!"

[@IamsavedbyGodsgrace]

I like listening this stuff while doing school. Nice voices too.

[@kyleshurmur-dg3kq]

A save well back mate auto saves happen everytime u walk through a door even on the 360 u can even change how often it auto saves in the items menu

[@KaizerDerp]

I just realized yesterday that the document forger in Oblivion is the Gray Fox

[@mitchellsedmak]

Nocturnals nightingales don't serve forever. It's just a 1000 years.

[@jsiewers1]

Not sure if this got talked about yet but in the Skyrim guild you don’t have to fight with bersei Kerr Ava or haelga you can get around it through blackmail theft and vandalism so they don’t really need to be punched plus after you handle the first two the third is scared into paying.

[@megaman5559]

Just wanted to say that on the topic about whether Nocturnal lets the Skeleton Key be stolen from her because she doesn't understand its power-- she tried to use it to steal the entirety of The Clockwork City away from Seht. Perhaps she lets it be stolen as an initial test of who is a worthy thief, and she wants to see the kind of metaphysical doors they can open because thieves naturally get around to places others don't.

[@emilybroderick2421]

Whenever I see a Shadowmark out in the world, my only thought is "oh, this place is connected to the guild... in some way..." and then I leave, because I usually have something else I need to do.

[@jyggalagthedaedricprinceof8459]

I absolutely hate all of the Daedra but I will admit that Nocturnal's Artifacts are very nice.

[@denakarganta1502]

Again I know I commented on this before but I hope you guys do one on Aka (time) and his connection to Lorkhan ( Space).

[@lenniesmall8286]

Did you forget about the Bal Molagmer?

[@Mitchiepoo97]

13:00 only the nightingales join the shadows, not every thief.

[@arcaneusumbra1539]

Funny that FudgeMuppet uploads this video as I'm doing the Thieves Guild questline in ESO

[@ctrlaltdelooms]

TESP and Hades, that’s my relaxation time sorted

[@Murrlin27]

Oooooh! The face(s) of my favorite build videos!!!

[@teacherjohn_stoic-dreamven7373]

Always up to be a stealthy boi super-mage.

[@runefire8127]

You guys make me want to play Skyrim for the 98th time.

[@adamthompson6669]

Thank you again team. ❤️

[@stanleyoreilly1475]

Thanks fudgemuppet really love your broadcast's

[@tintinjansson9563]

Not mentioning ESO thieves guild! Was by far my favorite

[@Vahmung]

Join the thieves today and secretly offer your soul to Nocturnal.

[@PelinalDidNothingWrong]

I'd love to see Elder Scrolls 6 go full crime syndicate with the Theives Guild. It was an interesting idea in Skyrim but you kinda just amounted to Maven's go getters and the whole Nightingale stuff

[@danielalexandre89]

I actually understand the wanting to become a nightingale thing The lower ranked thiefs are the ones who are just starting and as you do more and more jobs you accumulate wealth and so the higher ranked ones probably just do it for the thrill or fame and become nightingale is the pinnacle of that Also I see a lot of Pokémon stuff on Drew's background, so obviously I got to ask Pokémon podcast when?

[@metaldoji]

Why does Drew look like the guy I would ask for advice at a party

[@HostileBurger]

Time to set up my ad and watch the podcast

[@coolmatthew-bn6gy]

A while ago you mentioned that you might consider doing a video reviewing the various stats in the Fallout franchise and talking about how they might be changed/improved. It would be great to see you make this video if you are still considering doing it!

[@majorpest4894]

The dialogue options for mercer are basically For Nocturnal For the Guild Fuck them all give me the eyes of the falmer

[@Unitedtribute]

I have an idea for a podcast topic. Which choices from Skyrim will carry over into the next game? Did the dragonborn side with the empire or the storm cloaks? Will the Blades make a big return or will they fade away into history? Will the Dragonborn be known as the champion of Hermaeus Mora? Those types of things.

[@johnenyart255]

My daughter balled when she did the brother hood quest of purification and had to kill the khajit. She said why why now do you have to be nice. Now I don't want to kill him.

[@medicatedvader6940]

Hitting my stiiizy pen while watching this , life is the good

[@Mjjrex100]

I love these podcast!

[@Sksk27547]

1 of best targets is boli in riften. Him and his fishery.

[@localcryptid42]

I can’t sleep, better watch a video on my favourite guild :]

[@Walsinats4]

I would have loved the barenziah stones quest to have more depth: imagine vex tells you there are 24 stones, but the last person trying to gather them was brutally murdered and the stones were stolen, she proceeds to give you info on one of the people who sold one of the stones to the jarl of one of the holds: you meet the man, and persuade him to tell you how he got a hold on the item. He is reluctant, but he eventually tells you how he and his friends were hired by hooded man to gather the stones, but two of them betrayed them, and sold the stones individually- the man who hired them turned out to be working for a powerful vampire, who killed the remaining thieves as well as the man, but your acquaintance has managed to escape with the stone he was supposed to deliver. You then track down the thieves and learn names of the individuals owning them - the wizard who vanished after his encounter with Thalmor, some of the jarls who bought them from jewellery vendor in Morthal, who in turn bought the off a shady looking guy - one of the thieves you were tracking, and so on. Instead I got a tedious quest that ruined my ambitions on having a clear journal until i wasted way too much time to find them. But they my take on the quest