The Titan class is embarrassing right now...

You guys enjoying our 1 consecration build?

[@PocketTuna]

You guys enjoying the new subclass that is just basically consecration spam right now?

[@EternalFire21]

I working on something that isn't consecration but its mainly just spending people so you don't die lol because i damage reduction seems to get lower while others get higher with each update

[@giga-egg]

it was fun for the first couple of days or so and then i saw there wasn't that much build variety on titan and then i saw the exotic mark perks and then i saw the exotic bond perks and then i saw the exotic cloak perks and then i saw the raid clear numbers and then i saw warlocks had 3x the build variety and then i saw hunters doing everything titans could and then i saw myself not using titan until it's atleast slightly worse than warlock still gonna try to do the raid on my titan though

[@Velharth]

bruh.. it sucks...

[@ChuuniKaede]

yes? it's literally the most fun titan has ever been.

[@chapo2501]

Can we even call it spam?

[@hithere5553]

My favorite part about the prismatic showcase is that the THUNDERCRASH DIDN’T EVEN KILL THE CHAMPION.

[@PocketTuna]

Lmaoooooo insane. Absolutely cracked

[@Orthien]

Its because they don't play Titan. Any main knows that thats just a movement ability. If you want the super, then you gotta be wasting your exotic on it.

[@CB-mr1ci]

⁠@@Orthienfrl what a dogshit mechanic. You have to swap exotic to gain a « decent » super. I also hate that cuirass doesn’t have any neutral game advantages unlike celestial that gives you extra super energy with precision kills.

[@djkj_]

Don’t forget the fact the titan almost fucking died 😂

[@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX]

That Titan wasn’t using Cuirass of the Falling Star lol

[@HEAVYHEARTSMUSIC]

"Oh look you can go invisible too Titans! - for fuckin what?" That made me lol

[@PocketTuna]

Lmao going invisible just for me to immediately have to use consecration so dumb

[@redfalcon8062]

​@@PocketTuna I can see the vision. It's like "Cool! I'm finally invisible now! .....Well guess I'll have to use my Consecration and get out of my invisibility now!"

[@SuperFunduck]

Invis on melee kills and finishers is fire. But that’s cause of the exotic class item.

[@ellieo501]

I love how nobody is talking about the fact hunters got a titan exotic perk and it's out performing the original exotic

[@PocketTuna]

Oh trust me, I’m gonna talk about it lol

[@Dennis-E92]

Don't forget how Bungie was so resistant to giving a buff to titans that they were willing to design several entirely new exotics and 2 subclass trees rather than buff them, and when they did, it wasn't until year 3 years into the game. There is an insane bias against them on bungie's part.

[@ImmaculateOtter]

Which Titan exotic and Hunter build are you referring to?

[@fridriksoebech4330]

@@ImmaculateOttersynthos grapple melee comes to mind

[@fridriksoebech4330]

so BoW was outclassed recently cause hunters where allowed to use our exotic

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

What makes our situation worse is that the two best exotics for titans(those being Synthoceps and HOIL) are essentially now available for the other two classes via the exotic class item. We have been begging Bungie to please buff or rework the other titan exotics but they just never do.

[@Orthien]

It says a lot about Titan exotic choices that after 3 or 4 nerfs each and a buff or two for our other options, Synthos and HOIL are still the most used exotics. Our other options are such garbage that we won't stop using these until you just flat remove their perks.

[@yorusannn_]

Bungie just launches pyrogale: Pov: pyrogale the CONSECRATION exotic don't stand a chance against synthos that's a f joke

[@antiiks2485]

(PVE)Prismatic titan is like going to a black Friday event late. You come out with 1-2 cool things while everyone else took the good shit for themselves

[@PocketTuna]

Such a painfully good comparison LOL

[@bungodccxx955]

Learn to play... Prismatic titan has the best survival builds and the best exotic class item combo fir damage, if u don't know how to use this pg just change, but stop saying that one character is useless just bc u don't know how it works. It is not for new light sorry, u need to play and learn the basics

[@PocketTuna]

@@bungodccxx955 What does the Titan class do better than the other classes? You know Bungie themselevs just came out yesterday and said they are re evaluating Titans themselevs right? Do they not know how to play their own game either? lol

[@kelvinhernandez4714]

​@@PocketTunathey did? 😂 thank god bc I've always been a Titan since D1 and man the grenades choices for Prismatic are horrendous and to get buff effects like woven mail or something are difficult especially for PvP. On a similar note, the aspect Unbreakable is dope but wish it didn't come at the cost of using your grenade energy especially if it doesn't kill. How are you gonna crowd control without a grenade man? Would've rather had it be my barrier energy tbh. Hope they make changes that'll have em on par with the other two classes bc yeah it hurts to see only 3 titans out of 280 players finish Salv Edge.

[@davidlanceescandor1310]

Nice so uh why dont you stand in the middle of an ogre and see how long he lasts? I guarantee that Hunters and Warlocks will out last a Titan that only has overshield with no sustain. At least with Hunters we can disengage and Warlock outright heal over damage. Titans just get to be a glow target that can sustain.

[@miketysonsmiketyson5016]

As a titan main I know deep down that if bungie removed the class, the largest impact it would have on them game would be the removal of peacekeepers in crucible.

[@PocketTuna]

LOL sucks but true

[@thatkreigsman3421]

Pretty much but you can't forget the removal of a very marginal group at this point. The few, The Proud. The Titan Mains.

[@mikael100100]

it would make my solo flawless dungeons harder :c

[@dacedave4161]

Who is using peacekeepers? What 😂

[@benson7374]

Hunters stole the titan gimmick, dealing a million damage with infinite melees. Meanwhile, titans can deal like 300k with consecration while limited to 3 charges of frenzied blade.

[@PocketTuna]

Fitting for the thief class to steal shit lol

[@benson7374]

@@PocketTuna on god

[@mmmYUNGhumma]

Not to mention the frenzy blade cooldown is abysmal unless you are ascendant. I don’t want to use Monte Carlo in every build a make just to have the one thing I can actually use

[@AngeloSNT23]

You mean arc hunter arguably the worst arc class for pve with combination blow.. the monk class in every RPG game. Like brother you know there are better more viable options then consecration right

[@yaboibigsmoke2733]

@@AngeloSNT23arc titan has def been worse than arc hunter ever since the hoil execution lol

[@79bigcat]

Titans are meant to be the tanks, the problem is the game is not built for defense. Why worry about survivability if you can clear the room before it's an issue? Or anything that would merit extra defense is almost always a one hit KO anyway. Another part is everything has to be balanced for PvP: Juggernaut got tied to barricade to keep it from trampling crucible, Shoulder charges drain melee energy when used to keep players from going too fast(but icarus dash is still free), knockout gets it's uptime cut, woven mail gets its potency cut, the stasis melee makes you drop like a stone because again it made us too nimble, barricade in general got a health nerf but is more severe with the bastion aspect, and the absolute maiming of throwing hammer. Anything that can give a subclass flavor gets pummeled down.

[@LoominousShroominous]

this is probably the best comment i've read. you get it.

[@redwolfmedia2281]

Undo all the nerfs honestly and buff shit. I miss playing my titan but I really don't know what would be too interesting about it vs my Warlock or Hunter.

[@korpsmaninfantry7238]

@@redwolfmedia2281as a hunter main, I actually want them undo some nerfs and reworks(I secretly want the old mobius quiver back) let all the classes be broken!

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

Honestly, I'd say the Stasis super not making you as fast anymore is a good thing, since it mostly requires you being on the ground, and spending too much time in the air can lower how much damage you do throughout the duration of the super.

[@mackncheese1683]

@@eeveeofalltrades4780 The super still sucks either way.

[@JamesTheTurnbull]

Somebody on the dev team spent waaaaay too much time on the internet if they thought the melee titan memes were actually what we wanted. Titans have like little to no neutral game on prismatic. Titans *do* have ability neutral game on sol invictus, bastion, touch of thunder, banner of war. But Bungie said "no. go unga bunga, durr hurr." This has been a problem creeping up for years and I'm glad the raid report made them turn their head or the least.

[@PocketTuna]

Yep I’ve been complaining since rise of iron actually but I didn’t think it would get this bad to be honest

[@SympatheticArsenal]

I used to think the Titan class is a tragedy. One whole year later after not playing the game, I realised it's comedy cause it's an absolute joke lmao

[@PocketTuna]

I think it’s the biggest joke it’s ever been right now

[@kevindavis8526]

I’m switching to a Warlock built I’m tired of the bullshit titan builds they give us. Titans are at the biggest disadvantage in PvP and PvE. It’s pointless at this point

[@SP-me5si]

Is that a reference i see? That has zero errors or flaws in its usage?

[@Zd0g119]

As a Titan since D1, yeah we get nerfs and hate. End of the day, our drip is peak and we just keep it rolling. Exodus chest poece feels like a exotic for titans of a diff timeline.

[@PocketTuna]

I’m unsure why they removed ruin wings. That shit was awesome

[@ek9750]

the drip and the cool melee animations are the only reason why I main titan

[@nahfr.]

I like pairing it with rocket side arms and that one cabal exotic heavy

[@jyaad]

​@@PocketTuna Ruin Wings Was so goated man

[@thefarticle1408]

@@PocketTunaliterally my favorite in d1

[@QuellTheHeresy]

2:56 perfect demonstration on how utterly useless thunder crash is lmao, can't even kill a stunned champion with a NINE AND A HALF MINUTE COOLDOWN and you have to throw yourself at them.

[@PocketTuna]

Pain. So much pain lmao

[@gibster9624]

Did you also see 2 melee whiffs within a 10 second span... God idk why they keep pigeonholing a single class around a mechanic they can't even make reliable. The amount of times I've died on a solo dungeon run all because I missed a melee is too painful to even go back through in my head.

[@QuellTheHeresy]

@@gibster9624 they said they fixed frenzied blade during your super so that it doesn't whiff and send you backwards randomly if things are too close, but the normal version still does it literally all the time lmao 🤣

[@blackyonbi]

As a note. The whole " Drengrs lash + khepris horn " is not even a new thing , you could already do that since lightfall.

[@PocketTuna]

Fuck lol we ain’t got shit

[@PooPooPooPlatter-1]

I remember when they were revealing one of the darkness subclasses and they were explaining what each super does. They start with the warlock and are going into detail with sound effects. they get to the titan and tell us there is a light melee and a heavy melee, swap to explaining the hunter and go into detail with sound effects. They have never hidden how little they play titan.

[@loserinasuit7880]

What's so bizarre is that Titan is a more visceral class than either of them. And that's why people complain they're either broken or not. You either feel like you put someone 6ft under or you feel like you hit them with a wet napkin.

[@roach2110]

As a titan main I always knew we were being forgotten but I still lived in copium bliss but now after looking at all the titan exotics compared to the other classes we don’t got JACK SQUAT, we got buff damage of melee or super, add extra ability charge or spam orbs that’s it

[@PocketTuna]

Hello darkness my old friend

[@mwkhalys5743]

As a Titan, I thank the lord for people like you, we need a voice to tell bungie their mistake and you are this voice, thank you my friend.

[@PocketTuna]

That's my goal to say what needs to be said for everyone that feels unheard

[@lazyvoid7107]

​@@PocketTunaUnheard lol dude they're other bigger content creators talking about it

[@PocketTuna]

@@lazyvoid7107 Now there are that wasn't always the case. Also no one ever said I was the only one.

[@DumbsterCam]

Not to mention 90% of the titans exotics are irrelevant in terms of usability, and the ones that were actually (looking at you HOIL, rip sweet prince) got nerfed into the ground.

[@PocketTuna]

Bungie's design philosophy in general needs to be reworked

[@gibster9624]

In Lore Titans are about building thing yet we have no engineer builds and a class ability so useless a movement ability is more heavily favored. I said it last year with Strand. Why weren't we given a super where we throw out turrets? Complained for years about the class lacking range options, support, builds, having too many bad exotics while having the only good exotics constantly getting nerfed. You're a class that is forced to play aggressive but don't have enough utility to support the play style and have to deal with the longest cooldowns of any class because we lack synergy. The only thing I have had going for me has been PCCB and thunderclap being able to mop up entire rooms but the lack of healing options means any CC can completely destroy momentum and get me killed.

[@PocketTuna]

Meanwhile Hunters press dodge and get a free melee

[@HarperLylia]

We're not even the punchy-punch class anymore. We gave that to Hunters.. 😢

[@PocketTuna]

That's the real pain right there

[@taktika4764]

my favorite part about the showcase is how she says "you can destroy everything around you" while fucking dying and using "the cool blades of strand" to get away from enemies lol

[@PocketTuna]

lmao P A I N

[@gibster9624]

while also whiffing the melee twice.

[@mileator]

My friends were dumb-founded when I told them that prismatic titan doesn't get grapple grenade. I was disappointed, but they were utterly fuming in my defense. They were mad FOR ME, and they've never even played titan.

[@Spades-tf5zs]

I’ve always thought that Titans should have like, massive guns. Kind of like cabal colossi. And I know we have power weapons for that, but with the construct-type powers of strand and stasis, I’m surprised we never got a Titan super or ability themed around creating a cannon or minigun of some kind and making it rain lead (or I suppose stasis/strand matter)

[@kelvinhernandez4714]

And have better DMG reduction. Swear, every time I play PvP and go super I'm more easily killed than a Warlock or Hunter going super.

[@nathanroyster1324]

that actually sounds dope

[@theoverallguy6186]

bro let titans regen machine gun ammo with an aspect.

[@seanc5820]

Wasn’t the concept art for Strand Titan a big flamethrower for the super? As a Hunter, I say that would’ve been better than lime-flavored Fists of Havoc.

[@TVG626]

As a Titan main, I 100% agree with all of this! Titans have become an absolute joke in this game and if you bring them in raids or any sort of end game content, you’re basically throwing at this point with how butchered they are. Whenever I bring up titans need any help or they’re trash (which I hate doing), all the people in my clan, who are mostly hunter mains, say “bUt YoU HaVe BaNNer of WaR! Or SOlaR suBClaSs!” Yeah. Two things out of our entire class that allows us to even remotely be able to be the archetype bungie has forced us to be. The main reason solar and strand is good is because it lets us be up close and be able to SURVIVE. Don’t even get me started on Prismatic! It’s an absolute joke. We can spam consecration, woohoo! Good luck trying to do that in GMs or endgame content and living! Also our only viable combination to live is consecration with knockout. If you use anything besides those two, all your survivability is basically gone. And they mostly don’t even synergize with each other. Also notice how the vast majority of our build videos are in SOLO content. Because as soon as we’re thrown into a team activity, our builds basically fall apart and become useless due to the fact the enemy we have to melee to get ANYTHING going, is long since dead from other class abilities or guns. Yeah we have niche decent setups but in SOLO content only. In team content, our only purpose is add clear. If a boss is mobile or far away or can fly, more than half of our supers/abilities are useless. We have been heavily outclassed by the other two classes and with hunters I agree with being 75% of the player population, it’s a no brainer. If titans didn’t have Ursa Furiosa for sentinel shield, we’d have ZERO use against the witness boss fight in the new raid. That fight is a hunters fever dream and a titans worst nightmare. A boss they can’t do a thing against because our only ranged supers are laughable or mid at best against him. Want to thundercrash him with curaiss (which does less damage combined than the new void super which is hilarious) and hope you don’t just whiff right past him and live? Good luck! Or want to consecrate slam him 3 times? Have fun trying and dying! Hunters have celestial nighthawk and a brand new exotic weapon that works perfectly with it essentially giving them multiple golden guns to use whenever they want. Of course hunters were and are the most dominant class that completed the raid. GIANT far away crit spot titans can’t do anything against versus free high powered golden gun shots that do MASSIVE damage? Hmm. Wonder which one wins? Hunters have long since been the better melee class than the entire class that’s SUPPOSED to be the melee class. They basically said screw titans and gave everything to Hunters. Synthoceps was our one unfortunate saving grace with the class and they just gave it to all 3. The one thing titans had going for them. I’m thankful Bungie FINALLY admitted and confirmed that they are looking at titans and their prismatic intensely. Because we need help. Desperately. When we have 42 exotics (not including the new class item, which is also a major joke) only 3-4 see the light of day. And it’s the same ones we’ve been using for the past 3-4 years. Synthoceps is still our only used exotic basically despite how many nerfs it keeps getting because all the other ones aren’t viable or usable basically. They could delete like 90% of our exotics from the game and most titans I’m sure would be like, “wait those existed?” Please Bungie, give us anything. We need an identity back!

[@PocketTuna]

Admitting is the first step, hopefully they aren’t too conservative with the changes. The fact that they even mentioned it I didn’t expect.

[@TVG626]

@@PocketTuna I honestly didn’t either given how they’ve been gutting us hard every time we find something fun. Yet hunters can do what we get nerfed 10x better and it’s perfectly fine on them and balanced. Most times us pve players get slaughtered with changes because of crucible. Why should we have to suffer because of that horrible game mode? I just hope it’s some meaningful changes, not just “uh…normal melee gets 1% extra damage. Have fun.”

[@embelished_meister500]

@@TVG626With how many changes and buffs we Titans need, we’re probably not gonna get any major changes till at least the mid-episode update.

[@TVG626]

@@embelished_meister500 I think even that’s being generous! Haha. Some buffs for other things took years to come into effect. Bungie probably: “We hear all the feedback about titans and will hereby give buffs to Hunters while removing all usability on titans. They can no longer melee. In fact, we are going to remove them from the game because Hunters are the dominant and superior class. Use them instead”.

[@AquatexZ]

The sad part is that pre surge removal, stormtrance does more total damage than every base Titan super minus glacial quake Stormtrance. Let that sink in.

[@PocketTuna]

No way. Is that true???

[@julioforessi1336]

I don't want to be that guy but roaming supers do by and large far more damage than one and done supers. Dawnblade out damages every instant super warlocks have as well, that's kind of the point even if you should probably never use roaming supers in pve unless it's the only option. It should not come as a surprise that a super that deals more total damage over a considerable period of time for the very class it's in, also does so for other classes.

[@guineapig9171]

The one thing people don't talk about is how Frenzied Blade has a 40 second increase on Pris Titan moving from like 1:50 on Strand Titan to 2:42 on Pris Titan which is really dumb (Base Cool down)

[@JTB-1]

To be fair most abilities got cooldown nerfs going into prismatic. Most grenades take 2:01 to recharge now for example

[@guineapig9171]

@@JTB-1 You see the problem I have with it is that 2:42 is a new all time high no ability has ever been that high before

[@hithere5553]

You also don’t have any effective way to get those melee charges back like with banner of war. The best you can do is build transcendence just so you can have an actual useable melee.

[@mifoon8727]

The problem with Titan is that it’s so one note that the only time Titan has a reason to exist is when it’s busted. The grenade build when arc 3.0 came out with Hoil. Banner of war when it was first introduced. Etc etc but it doesn’t matter now because that’s all been nerfed. People always point to falling star as being the busted thing for Titan damage but that hit power crept so long ago. Point is when titans aren’t game breakingly strong they don’t have a reason to exist because they don’t bring anything else to the table besides being tanky, which doesn’t hold up in gm’s, and their main support is void over shields. Of which, for anyone who’s ever played rainbow six siege are the equivalent to Blackbeard’s gun shields in his flimsy they are

[@PocketTuna]

Either broken or useless but Bungie doesn’t seem to think that’s an issue lol

[@mazinhussein4297]

Yeah, if Titans are Tammy they need to give us better shields

[@Bobcatflyfish]

I’ve said it for years: Hunters are the youngest child, warlocks are the oldest, and titans are the forgotten middle child

[@TheRobVazks]

I agree, it pains me because Im a main titan since the beggining of D2 and that "punch" identity sucks in end game content. Titan should be a tank or off tank (in pve) and they have some aspects that mixed could have made prismatic better. Changing diamond lance to tectonic harvest would have been better for frost armor and heal with any stasis shard and gaining melee ability on the process or adding offensive bulwark to add a refreshable overshield + granade energy + melee damage OR, if they want us to be full melee, adding into the fray for woven mail and melee regeneration. Titan has pretty and powerful aspects but they were too afraid to make it "broken" and now it fell behind. I really love titan and I hope changes are made to enjoy more the class

[@PocketTuna]

Not giving us sunspots for prismatic just feels like a weird oversight aswell or having roaring flames proc from other elements on prismatic.

[@hilmanhussain5022]

I guess Dredgen Yor must have found out that Titans were obsolete and then became a hunter instead 😢.

[@bigpoke7043]

Us Titan mains got robbed from this expansion.. they destroyed my builds

[@PocketTuna]

I wonder if this hurts as much as the sunspot nerf that still to this day was completely unnecessary

[@monkey8732]

I feel like they should be more focused on being the defence class with overshields and normal shields instead of "big punch" class.

[@PocketTuna]

Agreed!!

[@nathanroyster1324]

we were but they nerfed bastion, bubble multiple times, suspend and all our good stasis fragments lmao.

[@mackncheese1683]

They'll only end up taking them from Titans and give them to one of the other classes, just like they did with twilight arsenal and the air dodge. I am sure there are more abilities I am missing.

[@Walter__Clements]

Bungie has to remember that the sandbox can be separated. I remember them doing some change that only effected PVP or PVE, then they just forgot for some reason. I have never once had fun in Destiny PVP throughout almost 10 years. When Bungie continues to hurt the PVE sandbox solely because of a game mode I avoid like the plague, it really drives me away from the game.

[@PocketTuna]

We need more people speaking up about this. I'll be your voice

[@kirapwns]

You've hit everything directly on the head. There is no reason to use Prismatic on Titan, and even the other subclasses are so ass right now.

[@PocketTuna]

Melee spam on every subclass except void because the shield throw is so terrible even after the buff lol

[@weaboojones2178]

@@PocketTunaI swear to god, they said they buffed the tracking on that shit yet when TFS came out I threw it directly at a thrall and it just somehow still flies past then bounces around a wall doing nothing. It’s crazy that bonk hammer feels easier to hit with than the shield

[@mackncheese1683]

@@weaboojones2178 The throwing hammer tracking seems to be so ass as well.

[@GhoulStrix]

Not to mention they nerfed the hammer throw where you still have to wait 2 or 3 seconds for you to actually get the hammer back 😂

[@PocketTuna]

Lmao I’m still not used to that change

[@Ninguno394]

You know the funniest part, that that kind of nerf would be perfect to avoid the grapple exploitation in almost every sense, but they will find a way to nerf it only for titans and leave it free of use and nerf for hunters, I am waiting bungie don’t do this shit to us again

[@PandoraRei]

Even Titan mains are forgetting the name of their own supers 💀

[@TuboReese]

The fact that Hunters are better at Being a melee class than Titans. Titans have NO theme. Hunters and Warlocks are more Tanky too.

[@PocketTuna]

Nothing but pain man

[@FC_mania]

One simple change to give titans their lick back and make other class oriented stats useful: Make Mobility, Resilience, and Recovery scale higher depending on the class you’re using. For example a 70 resil Titan has more damage resistance than a 100 resil Hunter. This fixes the problem with titans being so squishy in endgame encounter and incentivizes them into charging in with a melee build. It also keeps every single build from having 100 resil and discipline as a requirement, as you can at least get more utility from the other stats.

[@PocketTuna]

Agree! I've been saying this for a while now. Make the choice of picking one class over another actually mean something.

[@VoidCraftGaming]

Us titan mains need a serious improvement.....we aren't cooked we have been incinerated

[@mrcrensh3299]

the thing i still wish bungie would go with for titans and kept for a few times until nerfing them into the ground is titans being the actual tank of the guardians. even in lore the titans are the ones holding the enemies at twilight gap and other large battles. holding the line and taking all the hits. let us be that unstoppable freight train

[@PocketTuna]

NEED

[@aethereum5785]

They started feeling more confortable when nerfing titans since they nuked HOIL, the class just went downhill from there 😢

[@PocketTuna]

I knew we were cooked after the unnecessary sunspot nerf and the stupid shoulder charge nerfs.

[@doglos6940]

I feel like the best thing that the titan can do now is just setting in the orbit

[@user-pq9ol3mn1j]

As a warlock main for years and years, I wish titans were unnerfed. It's driving a wedge into our community.

[@blackyonbi]

Hunters will rush the melee class , get stomped and cry " titan is broken "

[@Crushanator1]

well yeah, they gotta nerf pve titans so the devs playing pvp hunters feel good

[@FuzzyLord23]

I'm a warlock main and even I realize that titans are getting the shortest possible end of the stick. I didn't realize how bad it was until I started seeing this rule of "no titans" in the raid. That's just cruel

[@PocketTuna]

Feels so bad

[@yeehawj24]

As a Titan main since day one, I do think some of the gripes that often get thrown out are a bit over exaggerated, but you definitely make some great points. The numbers don't lie, and I'm glad Bungie is taking notice. They need to rework the class and get us away from being melee focused. Actually embarrassing at this point

[@wavereaper]

I'll always be a titan no matter what, but it just sucks how much it feels like they just don't care about the class anymore hell if at all.

[@PocketTuna]

Titan til I die

[@burningwolf122]

Thank you Tuna for being the voice of us titans

[@PocketTuna]

I will always be the voice for us!

[@kisame_007]

As a titan main who stopped playing. I feel pain that my boi, the titans just gets crewed up over and over again. 😢

[@PocketTuna]

Non stop

[@Fluvanna]

Imagine nerfing the absolute christ out of melee options for Titans for 2 years straight and the proceeding to pretend like its some great mystery as to why basically no one is playing Titan.

[@wriathwar285]

I’m not a titan main I’m warlock. I finished all my builds for warlock decided to move to Titan and after 2 hours I noticed most builds are melee focused and nothing else the new super is fun but other than that there is no variety to the builds. Bungie needs a genuine rework on titan. Because warlocks have so much build variety it’s crazy. Whilst hunter has even more you could say.

[@PocketTuna]

I want to do something other than punch

[@antgonz4436]

Bungie need a rework on all classes! For years now all classes have lost their identity.

[@PocketTuna]

@@antgonz4436 I actually do agree with this. In the switch to subclass 3.0 something was lost

[@Alckee6904]

@@antgonz4436 Identity has been the same for years??? Hunters: Dps focues Warlock: Utility Titans: Raw ability damage, competitive in burst scenarios ie x3 blade furry, shoulder charge, otp scaling, pyrogale, t-crash, hell even in d2 launch double pulses. Back in d1 fist of havoc, shoulder charge, hoil and majority of titan exotics focus on ability empowerment

[@antgonz4436]

@@Alckee6904 so many ??? Are you asking or stating?

[@Ungalo872]

When Hunter prismatic can punch better then titans now, you know titans are shafted

[@ChuuniKaede]

hunter has been able to punch better than titans at multiple stages of the game.

[@iMFL3Xz]

@@ChuuniKaedeglad someone said it 🤣 I was about to reply with the same thing

[@thiagoarxalmeida606]

@@ChuuniKaedeand bungie calls titans the punch class

[@eliteslayer66]

While i feel that, i just wanna be that warlock that points out Bungie still wants us to be in the air. Glad they gave us helion and Song of Flame, though i dont forsee the other two supers being used inside of PvE ever again now. Dash always gets a laugh out of me. A whole aspect for moving a meter in one direction.

[@PocketTuna]

I agree with that actually, Icarus dash should be intrinsic

[@Darealjam]

I really wish they would give the antaeus ward slide boost back after they already nerfed the shield

[@PocketTuna]

Crazy how badly they nerfed that just because of PvP. Would’ve been so useful especially with our enemies now using light and darkness to reflect back

[@djkj_]

Who knew giving a class 88% melee + utility supers will be an issue with ranged bosses

[@blakel1989]

a titan will always be good in a raid for comedic relief. the amount of times i recently fell of the map in every activity across destiny 2 because im so "go go go" with the titan is probably unheard of. also the amount of times i die from just running in with my titan would bring a mix of anger and laughs. titans are really fun to laugh at lol

[@EKT_Enthusiast]

I am a Titan main, always have been. Never gonna stop playing Titan, but we need a HUGE buff. Something needs to give with Prismatic and the other Light subclasses instead of restricting us to primarily Strand. The Prismatic Titan has very little survivability and that's really, really sad. It's fun, don't get me wrong, but when I'm popping off and suddenly one shot on Prismatic... It's not cool.

[@danielc.7173]

Nonetheless, thanks for this video my man, appreciate the passion. I got passion for titans. Thank you for putting this video out there. Subbed.

[@carmineSTAR508]

Honestly I’d be much happier with prismatic if they gave it banner of war or something like that, stronghold sword titan has always been my favorite because it lets the titan actually be a titan I really enjoy where they’re going with sentinel shield and ursa, i think they just need to make it better Like I used ursa in gm excision and it was extremely viable

[@PocketTuna]

You mind dropping your stronghold build? I want to try using Ursa more, but I can never find a time where blocking for my teammates is useful

[@yaboyospoons7570]

I don't hate Titan's being brusiers, characters that inflict massive close range damage that protect the team too. But melee is so discouraged in high end content that it's just not possible. The only idea I've had to make it better for Titan is to just make resilience do more for them specifically. Titans at base are described as these forces of pure will that brute force everything, only to get near one shot when stacking damage resistance from a redbar. It completely counteracts the way Titan has been designed to play.

[@PocketTuna]

I agree. Every class's unique stat should do more for them specifically.

[@williammackenzie2103]

The titan needs a rework on some supers. For instance thunder crash needs to be faster travel speed, faster super depletion, much more damage for lower blast radius. A new strand super with instant cast, range and massive precision damage (like a spear than anchors enemies in place, including champions) would be better for prismatic.

[@kingawesome5219]

Something that’s been sitting in the back of my mind recently and brought up again partially due to talk about prismatic balancing between the classes is how our gear and characters progressively feel weaker despite the fact we get stuff like more supers, fragments, aspects, weapon archetypes, artifact mods, etc. I honestly miss a ton of the balancing and systems pre-Shadowkeep and some stuff pre-Lightfall

[@felwinterpeak1674]

I like how it comes full circle. Before subclass 2.0, hunters were the "worst" class in pve. Then, when 2.0 hit, warlocks were the basic/worst class in pve (only useful for WoR bitch.) And now titans with prismatic lol. And also as a side note. I wonder if anyone's notices, bit besides apothesis/stareater combo, the next best combo for warlocks is just an upgraded version of verity brow. Osmiomancy or inmost light with very brow perk.

[@PocketTuna]

Jesus that sounds amazing

[@redwolfmedia2281]

I think that's a really important point you made regarding Hunter's focused on DPS and Warlocks are focused on utility. So what could Titans be shifted towards? I think it's important to understand what gameplay-wise draws people to that class? As a non-titan main I can't answer that.

[@PocketTuna]

What initally drove me to play Titan in D1 was the soldier power fantasy honestly. A part of Titan's identity that seems to have been forgotten

[@Ixarus6713]

I think Titans should go all-in on defence. At least then we can keep a consistent design philosophy for each class. Warlock: Grenades/Supers Hunter: Melee Titan: Shield and protection melee of some sort? Just buff Titan's health somewhat.

[@transcendenceistaken]

3:06 FISTS OF HAVOC?? THATS THUNDERCHRASH BUDDY

[@MyPokebros]

We all used to fight over who was the best class. Now we don't even fight, we just know titan is the bottom and that's sad.

[@havenswainston]

Wow they were really slaying out in a normal lost sector…. Nobody on the dev team can play titan in anything higher than normS

[@PocketTuna]

Ya hate to see it

[@joesephkingston1621]

Been a titan main since D1 for resilience and staying alive. Have to run prismatic for the required stuff but take it off and put Lorelei and solar hammers to stay alive in the harder content still. I am still livid that they put a cooldown on the boinky hammer. It along with sky burners, mida mini, and Lorelei got me through solo duality.

[@Diiv_Tiid]

I'm so glad more people are talking about this

[@PocketTuna]

Sameeee I felt like the only one for so long

[@jordansullivan6856]

The girl describing titan cant even go into detail of how the titan prismatic works.😂 She said a whole lot of nothing.

[@PocketTuna]

Was just embarrassing. “The…blades of strand…”

[@trappussi5545]

Thank you I've been so fucking stressed out playing Titan feeling like a pussy complaining all the time about how I feel useless as a Titan and it's so nice to see that I'm not alone in thinking that Titan just isn't fun right now.

[@floodingitall8659]

i like how in game prismatic hunter is deemed to be crowd control but with or without a extotic class item has almost 4 of the higest dps options in the game dont even get started on celestial plus wild hunt

[@Crushanator1]

i main Titan and I genuinely didn't even realize Weapons Of Light was gone bc Twilight Arsenal is the only super I've used since it dropped. It's a one and done ranged super, it's everything we needed FOR YEARS it's not enough that they're giving us some new tools, Bungie has to take everything that worked the previous seasons away

[@CephalonAxii]

Damn, was wondering when you'd show up.

[@theEquYnoX]

Bungie should double down on the "Banner Titan" and bring that function to the other classes. Different buffs, different heavy weapons. The role of the Titan should be roaming support (Warlocks are support, Hunters are Roamers) that the team rallies around.

[@RUGER5264]

All we can do is pray. Pray bungie is cooking up something special for titans. Maybe not a whole rework but Christ! Strand is PERFECT for the punch fantasy. (Maybe Solar too). But the other 3 subclasses need something more than just punching. Void was always supposed to boost you and your teammates Damage output and defense, so why not bring back perks like resupply? Giving teammates Health, ability energy, and ammo would be nice on top of overshields. Or maybe add something new to a Titan aspect like roaring flames. Where each stack buffs radiant damage for you and teammates. TL:DR: Strand does melee the best. The other 4 subclasses are ok for punching but should also focus on Support/other alternatives.

[@PocketTuna]

I agree. Also I think a rework could be possible. Warlocks randomly got one years back. Let’s hope Titan can get the same

[@RumiHereFr]

Here i thought prismatic could make titans good and fun again guess ima have to try super hard for a build to barely rivals a hunters damaged or warlock support/utility

[@PocketTuna]

I’ve been trying so hard to make any build that’s not consecration

[@crayon-munchr1795]

@@PocketTunait’s annoying they gave us a bunch of ass grenades so it’s not like you could do HOIL and armenetarium

[@Fluvanna]

Thunder Crash should either give you amp AND speed boost on cast (so you can more easily get away after) OR have a kind of reverse blink, meaning that after the cast is finished, you're teleported to your position you began the cast from.

[@vpgvolcanopokemongaming8380]

You forgot to use the prismatic Titan trailer where the devs talk and say “this is the classic Destiny experience” as he uses nothing but consecration and then remembers he has a diamond lance before the pve clip ends. Then for pvp is just one shield throw and prismatic grenade.

[@TWIN.HTX4]

To be honest, they should have gave us, Bastian, Tectonic harvest or Sole invictus and a fragment in prismatic To get devour‼️ and prismatic rollout would have been fine if they just would have done

[@PocketTuna]

Yeah, their aspect choice was hot garbage except knockout. If they wanted us to use some of the less popular choices they should have buffed them like diamond lance for example, it's cool but in end game content there's not really a reason to use it.

[@TWIN.HTX4]

@PocketTuna I one hundred percent agree, and I don't understand why they're pushing ergo sum on us ( It's not that good) They should be pushing exotic class items!!! They should have buffed the world drop to 45%-60% Chance from getting it from an end of an overthrow chest.

[@tavissalley1096]

And don’t even try that melee shit in a gm you will get deleted 😭

[@PocketTuna]

Turns Destiny into a souls like game lol

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

It's annoying for sure but I'm not stressing. Us titans still have grapple melee boss melting. Yes hunters have it as well now but at least we still have that. Also knowing that Bungie is working on it is nice so I'm not stressing.

[@PocketTuna]

It's nice to know they're working on it but also kinda scary lol

[@likafoss]

Class abilities need a massive rework

[@PocketTuna]

Barricade often times is not worth lol

[@lostkingdom266]

​@@PocketTuna I really stopped using it mine for unless I need oversheild in pvp

[@GrungusTV]

"You can use the cool strand blades"

[@danielc.7173]

How do we get Bungie to see this?

[@LoominousShroominous]

even if they do, it wont fucking matter. bungie hates titans, its obvious.

[@Alckee6904]

@@LoominousShroominous yeah thats why titans have seen the longest most oppressive metas ie multiple oem metas, citans, behemoth for 8 months (warlocks stasis melee got nerfed 72 hours into beyond light launch) From D2 launch to Forsakken there were 2 warlocks only ever in the top 100 leaderboards on D2 tracker. Majority titans and hunters foor +1 year.

[@mackncheese1683]

@@Alckee6904Right, so Titans should NEVER have anything useful ever again.

[@lazyvoid7107]

​@@Alckee6904You have no opinion toxic ass

[@MrNuclearz]

I think the final spit in the face is that for all the titan melee focus, they aren't even the best melee class lol. Combination blow hunter absolutely shits on Titan. Outclassed at their own game, lol.

[@PocketTuna]

I feel like we are just being laughed at lol

[@MyxTheMedic]

Not to mention the fact that Hunters are doing a much better job at melee right now. I am a Hunter Main but i feel so bad for Titans...

[@PocketTuna]

Atleast some of you have a conscience!

[@revyrev28]

I cant wait for aegis to actually give a grounded look on titans in the currrent sandbox (Im a titan main btw)

[@painlessplate58]

Yay the king has returned

[@somebody7205]

Bungie better change Titan's broken "Monke go ape shit" Identity and give them something like "CQC specialist" and "Heavy weapon specialist" (heavy weapon because just a weapon specialist kinda on gunslinger Hunter) The new void super is a great start for the CQC type. You spawn a weapon, you used the weapon, and if you and your friends feel spicy you can get close and personal with them. The new Titan chest exotic is also a great way to kickstart and expand on the "Heavy weapon specialist" type. And this can be a support/buff type of super that when popped you give nearby allies explosive rounds to all weapons (or just heavy) At first I wanted to suggest that the explosive would instead be tee offensive verb of the element matching your grenade and this ability would either be an exotic or a brand new "Prismatic super" (not like transcendence but a proper super) but having this on stasis feel a bit too op in pvp (imagine just having slowing rounds on full auto. Although heavy weapons already kill fast so maybe its not a big deal

[@mileator]

1:23 The identity of a Titan lies within its void and strand classes. Rally barricade, banner of war, unbreakable, bastion, and defensive bulwark. The Warlock is centered around AOE, and the hunter is centered around single Target damage. The Titan takes up the mantle buffing the very thing that the other two classes do in between their specials. Fighting. That's what Titans are good at. All of the combat that characters do in between their abilities. Titans should be preventing damage, providing extra damage, and providing resources for ability combos. The power fantasy for Titans is a tacti-cool space knight. The new Prismatic void super is excellent. Banner of war is excellent. It's clear Bungie does understand to some degree what the identity of the character is supposed to be. I believe that Titans should be able to give their squad ammo types based on their subclass. Give back the damn damage buff. Maybe find a way for Titans to slowly refill their allies magazines over time or something. When you play a Titan you understand that you're giving up a super thst causes direct damage output for maximum utility. Aspects and fragments should reflect that without having to dedicate to an exotic. Citans's should not be an exotic. 🔥Hot take🔥, but barricade needs a goddamn rework. Honestly it feels like bungie has never played a single Borderlands game in their life

[@discoprince9065]

I would love if Hammer of sol had a buff... slight tracking as it falls, throw more Hammers faster, more scorch stacks for. Hell I'd love to see suncharge back.

[@PocketTuna]

If they brought suncharge back it would be a game changer

[@Ninguno394]

Bungie: “Titans are the tank melee class” Also bungie: fallen captain shotguns (let’s not forget the overload) Hive knights shotguns and pursuing constant fire of wizards and shriekers Wyvern vex Most cabal arsenal And many champions capabilities, a f€&# ton of teleportations and modifiers that increase enemies melee damage How do we tank that level of bulls€&# or how do I get close when their AI starts running away faster than you can?!

[@PocketTuna]

The increased melee damage for enemies is a literal anti Titan modifier lol

[@JustEliiii]

You keep saying 3 titans made it through day one SE, but heres the thing, in a situation where raw dps is needed, hunter was simply there bc if still hunt's interaction with CN, so like... idk

[@dhakill029]

hunters are literally what titan is supposed to be, high damage, tank and melee abilities, and as a titan main, i dont even play titan anymore, i play as a knife spamming solar hunter

[@gustin124]

I'm a void Titan main, I almost always bubble till they stole my light

[@carryofallcarrieslol5338]

The utility of titan is now protection. Ursa furiosa now works with the unstoppable aspect which can give easy 25% super. Plus it protects against witness attacks so you don't even need to move during dps phase.

[@PocketTuna]

Would be much more useful if that protection fantasy was more shareable amongst your team and useful. Overshields are not strong enough in PvE to warrant it over restoration.

[@max-pn8tt]

Dude this is a crazy 180 from last season

[@vincethebanana]

Cuirass needs to provide 80% damage resistance after the super in PvE. Who gives a damn… they allow Strand Warlocks to have massive DR lol even more with certain exotics…

[@PocketTuna]

I would venture to say 100% DR for the simple fact that I am forced to use my entire body to DPS a boss in a game that heavily punishes you for being close to bosses