The TITAN Of All Gaming Chairs | Secretlab Titan vs Herman Miller Embody vs Steelcase Leap V2 Review

[@Myxo14]

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[@eliemaltz1221]

Embody or Aeron?

[@Myxo14]

I talk about that at the end of this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHmponZ8mpWcaM0

[@joshjbeats]

I had the Titan. Hated it immensely. Backrest was uneven and gave me so much pain. Made the jump to the Embody, best investment ever, period.

[@86Reefer]

i also find the back rest uneven and the lumbar sticks out further on one side then the other, in the process of returning and ordered the embody

[@joshjbeats]

@@86Reefer great choice man.

[@axtoon2152]

@@86Reefer Was that the 2020 model or the new evo?

[@86Reefer]

@@axtoon2152 evo.

[@axtoon2152]

@@86Reefer Wow, it was that bad? I am thinking about getting the Evo now over the embody since I am too tall for the embody I think.

[@fireite605]

I've had a SecretLab Titan and it was the worst experience. I had severe back pain and could not sleep at night from the pain. I decided to try the Steelcase Leap V2 and it was the best decision I ever made. It fixed my back pain and is the most comfortable chair I have ever sat on. I highly recommend it.

[@LocAces]

This is exactly what I’m going thru right now … I’m going with a Steelcase because I’m seeing so many folks saying it’s a good one. Thank you

[@ex8280]

Never had the SecretLab, but I had the same experience with a used 15 year old Leap i bought a couple months ago.

[@ReggieT]

Great comparison. I just go the 2021 Herman Miller Embody after considering these gaming chairs for years. I saved 40% off it by buying through one of HM's authorized dealers. The 2021 version features extended foam to the part of the seat that expands. At the end of the day, I decided to go with something that should last for years and that 12-year warranty. The company that makes the headrest for the Aeron is working on one for the Embody that could be out as early as the end of the year.

[@Myxo14]

Welcome to the Embody fam 🙌🏾. I heard about that headrest for the Embody - I'm definitely going to review it as that will be a total game changer!

[@thirteenthgrade508]

After 40% how much did it cost?

[@projectspartan1]

Damn which retailer??

[@alexvswrld]

Which retailer?

[@mohammedhussain2472]

Yeahh I third that lol. Which retailer??

[@noofuu2208]

Leap v2 or Embody ?

[@Mark-qj5kp]

Dude, you need more subs :D This was a top-tier review. Great personality on-camera, no fluff in the review. Thanks :D

[@Myxo14]

Thanks for the kind words my dude 🙌🏾

[@Mark-qj5kp]

@@Myxo14 you’re welcome 😀 keep creating

[@deltasniper17]

I previously owned a Secret Lab Gaming chair for about 2 years and I would use it quite often. At first I noticed it was extremely firm which I wasn't a fan of. I later found out that from the company that the chair would have a break in period and that it would take some time to get the chair adjusted to my body. It never did in my opinion because even after two years of use, I could only sit in the chair for maybe two hours. After that I would start to have severe back pain. I do have a bad back but that Secret Lab chair would always cause me discomfort after use. I recently sold my chair and I am in the market for a Steelcase Leap V2. I hope that it will reduce the back pain that I experienced in the Secret Lab.

[@Midhillcouldnever]

How about now?

[@sagitareon4676]

how about now?

[@traintracks5061]

How about now?

[@Ryyuuzakii]

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[@deltasniper17]

I now have a leap V2 and it's an amazing chair. No longer having any back pain.

[@matttaylor2288]

I notice you playing guitar. How does it affect you playing guitar in the embody chair? Can you still keep the armrests on while playing guitar?

[@Geigez]

great video!

[@Rson594]

These chairs are like sitting on concrete. Firm is an understatement

[@AFlyingGlenn]

agreed, I was worried about that too but decided to throw caution to the wind. I'm sitting on a Titan and i have to use one of those softening gel pads because of how hard it is. I Should have put that money towards an Embody.

[@TrueNorf]

Great review Myxo!! Very slick. Love the pretzel tests! 😅👍🏾

[@Myxo14]

I feel like 'assuming the position' for the pretzel test is a bad accident waiting to happen 🤣

[@TrueNorf]

@@Myxo14 Hahahaa!! You pulled it off! Though I'm curious to see the outtakes!! 😅

[@Aroobydoo]

Nice review! The format was great and the commentary was super helpful

[@Myxo14]

Thanks for checking out the video 🙌🏾

[@bluefun22]

What makes you want to keep the embody over the Titan as your main chair?

[@Myxo14]

The Embody is a superior chair than the Titan (in my opinion). The Titan is a great chair for the price. Not everyone wants to spend 'Embody money' on a chair.

[@bluefun22]

@@Myxo14 thanks, just worried about support lumbar especially. The Embody is dumb expensive just trying to figure out if it's worth the sacrifice or if the titan would get the job done well enough

[@Myxo14]

Keep in mind there is no lumbar adjustment on the Embody. The back adjustment on the Embody forces you to sit up straight, but doesn't focus on lumbar. The Titan does have a lumbar adjustment...it's fairly average. If you have the opportunity, tryout a Aeron and an Embody before you buy anything. You may prefer the lumbar of the Aeron. I think the Titan is a great choice for the money, but I need to stress, it's not in the same league as the Embody. They are very different chairs. That said, some people hate the Embody. The company I work for is moving offices soon, and they brought in 12 chairs for us to test and rank. The winner was the Steelcase Gusture. The Embody came in 3rd. Second was the Haworth Fern. I will sadly miss my Aeron.

[@bluefun22]

@@Myxo14 that so much for the interaction and the input. Greatly appreciated it

[@leonard.nicolae]

Just the comparison i was looking for. Grazie.

[@kiddieee420]

even if this isnt the 2022 evo, im already sold by your review of the 2020 version of the titan. I'll be getting one and hope i enjoy it as much as you did.

[@Troint]

Getting rid of mine after 4 years, got back and neck pain which I can’t attribute to the chair entirely but it isn’t right for me, will be getting the Herman miller Logitech embody

[@kiddieee420]

@@Troint best decision you've made fosho. im using the 2022 evo now and im not feeling it that much, its mad durable tho. but i kinda like to slouch while working at my desk and this chair aint it chief.

[@Troint]

@@kiddieee420 at least you know now! I was brought into this gamer chair thing years back and tried an average office chair they had brought into work and thought fuck me have I overpaid for a Titan chair at home (they’re made to last, but it’s certainly not the height of comfort) At least we can say we tried them, but at the end of the day this Titan company are the MVMT watches of the chair world 😂

[@thirteenthgrade508]

How tall are you? I’m considering the titan for gaming/office chair

[@davidperry4013]

I prefer a nice solid cushion chair that is both firm and super comfortable. I really like the steel case leap.

[@Myxo14]

Definitely can't go wrong with the Leap!

[@Jason-tp5cb]

The Titan is amazing for someone with my weight (90kg). It's firm but still feels soft, can sit cross-legged, back feels fantastic, it's super firm and stable which makes me very confident with sitting on reclined positions without fear of falling backwards, and has an amazing flat base that allows you to rest your feet on comfortably.

[@m3trboolin]

Titan is amazing I love mine

[@Alantod17]

How is your chair now? I weight 110 kg. the biggest problem for me is that on every chair I seat on for a long while the bottom becomes a pi wood as the cushion is wearing out. My office chair is a leap which serves me about 6 years then I have to replace the cushion. the only chairs I currently find no problem after more that 5 + years of usage is the embody and Aeron, but they are so expensive...

[@Jason-tp5cb]

@@Alantod17 Its doing fine, but the seat cushion is starting to become less firm now, but that's probably because of extreme use (I sit in it almost 12 hours a day). The Titan fits just right for me, but if you're 110kg and normal weight (you are very tall), you might want to get the Titan XL instead.

[@DrowningB]

can you lock the titan from doing that rocking motion? I really do not want it to be able to rock..

[@Myxo14]

Yup - you can lock it in a stationary position if you want.

[@Mike0193Azul]

Great review and comparison to two other chairs I'm choosing between 💚

[@meat_loves_wasabi]

I tend to lean forward when playing games and incline back when watching videos… wish Embody had more inclination and secretlab had better adjustable lumbar support

[@Myxo14]

Apparently the 2022 Titan has improved lumbar support - might be worth checking that out.

[@R0SS0]

Nice review man

[@Myxo14]

Thanks brother 🙌🏿

[@Stalonage]

This is a solid video! I actually cant believe i found it. I am actually looking at a used/remanufactured leap v2 or the the titan evo '22. I wfh half of the week and game a lot during the evenings. So, often in my chair for 10+ hours a day during the week. I am stuck as to which to pick. My previous chair was a 5+ year old needforseat racing/gaming chair i got at a CS:GO tournament for half off so i dont really have good chair experience. Do you have any thoughts? Thanks in advance!

[@Myxo14]

If you're using the chair for 10+ hours per day, I'd choose the Leap. The Leap (and Embody) are easier to sit in for extended periods of time. If a headrest is important for you, then you'll have to go with the Titan. I've been using my Titan for the past couple weeks as my main chair and put a heating pad on the back and seat (I'm dealing with piriformis issues). It's amazing with the heating pad! I still really like the Titan!

[@Stalonage]

@@Myxo14 I really appreciate your response:)

[@MERV_]

The titan makes my legs go numb because its just so hard and i'm constantly trying to find a comfortable position. I don't see how anyone can sit in this thing for more than 1 hour.

[@semipro33]

When sitting cross legged on the embody, do the 2 side tabs on the seat dig into your thighs?

[@Myxo14]

Not at all.

[@colonelinfernal5004]

I personally own the 2020 charcoal titan and I was expecting alot more comfort for its price. Its like sitting on a chair made of plywood. I even removed the arm rests because they didn't go low enough for me. I'm above the height requirement for the titan so there's really no excuse for its lack of comfort. The lumbar support looks better on the 2022 model but I believe the padding material is the main issue. It's too stiff.

[@TinkerTactical]

What a great review comparing all of the chairs strengths and weaknesses. Very honest and very well done!

[@Myxo14]

Thanks man!

[@mohammedhussain2472]

Great video! Which standing desk is that??

[@Myxo14]

Thanks man! It's a discontinued Teknion standing desk with an Ikea Karlby countertop.

[@mohammedhussain2472]

Ahh that’s a shame. Do you have any standing desk recommendations? A video on this would be useful.

[@Myxo14]

The only electronic standing desk I used, I didn't like because of stability issues. If a reputable company reaches out for a review of one, I'd definitely take them up on it.

[@drakonardo4003]

So I am in the debating phase right now between funny enough two of the chairs you have here in addition to the lfgaming chair. The chair will be used for both gaming and work from home. The chair will be used for 8+ hours a day. I was actually first debating between the steelcase Gesture and Leap v2. How do you feel given that part of the information between going with the Leap v2/Gesture or the Titan? Have you ever tried the LFGaming chair as well?

[@Rendaime]

I know I'm late to the video but I have a question. I had the Titan but it was too big for me so I got the Omega, I've been using it for work and gaming use but it's been giving me some back issues. I was looing into getting the Embody but have been trying to justify the price. Would it be worth it for me to get rid of my Omega and move into the Embody for both work and gaming use?

[@Rick4astro]

i have one full option type more then worth. i waited 15 years to long before buying it. i highly can recommend it over the aeron (a/b/c size)! by a good shop u can return it within 10-14 days or something. its the same for me. me seccond day now. tried 15 chairs in that shop. ended by the embody also most expensive highest quality they had. other chairs didnt gave me good support except the other herman millers but the embody is ahead in comparisment with the other types of herman miller

[@boots_4_me]

I have the Logitech Embody gaming chair and it’s the best chair I have ever bought. I have a few gaming chairs that is no where near the comfortably of the Embody. I can sit this chair for over 12+ hours a day 7 days a week without feeling any pain on my tailbone or my back. The gaming version has cooling foam unlike the original embody. I love everything about the embody but I’m also looking for a backup chair. I don’t know which chair I’m going to get but most likely another HM, perhaps the Aeron. You should do a review on the gaming embody vs the Aeron.

[@Myxo14]

I have an Aeron review on the channel where I briefly compare the Embody to the Aeron at the end. I'll probably do a dedicated video for the Embody at some point this year.

[@a1999723]

hey but you dont have a headrest, how does that work

[@ShawnFumo]

Check out the Mirra 2 as well

[@jonathanmontes4759]

what’s your height and weight if you don’t mind me asking?

[@Myxo14]

6'0" 180 lbs

[@rickyneeter69]

​@@Myxo14what sizing did you get?

[@BoySonBerryBoy]

Great review and video thank you ! What desk are you rock it looks extremely efficient I just got a cheaper pneumatic and it’s questionable at best lol yet grateful and glad to have it ! Cheers thanks again

[@Myxo14]

It's an Ikea Karlby countertop on discontinued Teknion legs. I've an older video about it up on my channel.

[@dancomando]

Chair must be cross seatting approved for me

[@tartanowl2319]

Love the Pretzel test haha

[@JDUST111]

Great video

[@Myxo14]

Thanks my dude 🙌🏾

[@sneg__]

how tall are you? just for reference.

[@Myxo14]

6'0" and 180 lbs...I should have mentioned that in the video for reference.

[@sneg__]

@@Myxo14 cheers! I'm 4 inches taller, looks like I'll be fine in the non-xl (especially since that one is only marginally taller)

[@iain.]

The TITAN seems like it would be a great secondary chair to use alongside one that promotes proper posture like the Embody or Leap. I'm definitely going to consider picking up one to use with my Gesture. Nice review.

[@Myxo14]

Thanks for checking out the review!

[@wilwilb3533]

Next video: Geely 'sports' car vs Ferrari Enzo vs Porsche 911 GT3.

[@Myxo14]

🤣🤣🤣

[@ReggieT]

What monitor arms are you using?

[@Myxo14]

amzn.to/2SqIlq3

[@JackNoman]

for someone who's butt gets sore very easily from sitting long hours I suffer from noassimidus.. Which would you recommend? Also for someone who likes to kick back/slouch and spends most of their time gaming/watching stuff.

[@sk8ersteve]

Do the arm rests on the titan come as close together as the other two chairs? I want to have to flair my arms out as little as possible while typing

[@Myxo14]

The arm rests of the Embody can be adjusted closest to you while sitting. The Titan and the Leap are about the same.

[@Gynchy]

I have the Titan from 2018 and if the armrests haven't changed, I personally feel like it's a pretty big armchair width, almost too large even when you use the button to adjust them inwards. Because of the 4D arm chair adjustments on it though, you can also tilt the arms inwards towards each other on top of sliding them side to side inwards, so you can definitely hone in on that adjustment a bit more. I'm 6' 2" and 190 lbs the height is perfect but width at time feels a bit too wide when I'm gaming and have my hand on my mouse it works perfect, but for just pure typing I'm usually floating my right elbow

[@Dr.Smelly]

Don’t get it twisted you’re miles better off getting the embody or leap v2.. gaming chairs are booty even if secretlab have the best one it’s still an average chair that’s got back pain written all over it!

[@hannibalhector3719]

The Titan is way too firm for me. I don’t know how so many youtubers can say it’s amazing and whatnot. I will be switching to the Embody.

[@Big_Bag_of_Pus]

I have the Embody at my office and I love it. The problem with it is that it costs the street price of three kidneys, and we each only have two.

[@hannibalhector3719]

@@Big_Bag_of_Pus good thing I have friends who will unwillingly provide their kidneys.

[@alexvswrld]

Did you purchase the embody? How do you like it in comparison to the Titan?

[@hannibalhector3719]

@@alexvswrld it’s much better. Keep in mind that at the end of the day it’s just a chair. Don’t expect to sit down and have some like, magical experience. It’s more of a subtle experience. It’s nice and comfortable but you will still get tired of it and you will still need to get up every so often.

[@AFlyingGlenn]

@@hannibalhector3719 but at least in the Embody it doesn't make your ass go numb right? :D Have Titan, looking to get Embody because if i wanted concrete i could buy that cheap down the hardware store xD

[@arazose-faktenschockierend157]

What I hate about these gaming chairs is that my shoulders are always shrugged forward cause of the dumb design...

[@jostse77]

what is the name of the VR game?

[@Myxo14]

1976: Back to Midway

[@ScottFive]

That Enterprise poster tho!!! 😮

[@Myxo14]

I bought that poster new when I was like 10 years old!

[@benshoaf6111]

Would you recommend the titan over the embody if I am primarily using the chair for gaming and I prefer a headrest and a locked back?

[@Myxo14]

My personal preference is the Embody over the Titan. The choice really comes down to if you want a headrest or not - if you do, the Embody is out of the running. The back of the Embody does have tilt lock, so you can lock the back in place.

[@bryantubing]

@@Myxo14 My friend said he doesnt need the headrest as much in his embody because of how it positions his back -- do you find this to be true, or do you think it still comes down to preference on resting your head? also, is there an attachment you can add to create a headrest for it?

[@Myxo14]

@bryantubing I think it mostly comes down to personal preference. I haven't had a headrest for so long that not having one isn't a deal breaker for me. I also agree with your friend that the back of the Embody aids in positioning your back. A company called Atlus is coming out with a headrest for the Embody later this year - which I'm definitely getting as I think it will be nice to have.

[@bryantubing]

@@Myxo14 appreciate the reply, myxo! going to pick up a lightly pre-owned embody today thanks in part to your review.

[@MSH3423]

Would you really buy this chair if you only can buy a one chair? It think you will pick aeron or embody over this.

[@shianemi7595]

i want a comfortable chair but i like how racing chairs look anf jt fits more w my setup

[@jarsh_]

4:13 BUT CAN IT DO THIS

[@zypern16]

Secretlab is an overrated chair brand. The hype is not worth it when you developed the back pain. If you spend hours sitting daily just get the real high end ergonomic chair like Embody, Leap or Gesture.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

The Embody pisses all over the Titan, and it's a straight-up no-contest. It doesn't matter if you can buy 3 Titans for the price of a single Embody because the difference in comfort, features, and quality are light years apart.

[@dguggs]

Racing/Gaming chairs can’t come close to the comfort of an average office chair.

[@snydicus]

The 4d "best in class" arm rest are a marketing gimmick that are on most racer charis (at least DX racers for the last 6+ years). I would very much hesitate to refer to them as best in class, sounds very advertisement-y to me.

[@thefujitafive1820]

I will be able to tell you for sure tomorrow after I receive mine, but according to several reviews here on KZbin comparing the DX Racer and the Titan, the 4D armrests on the Titan are much more smooth and premium feeling than the DX Racer. My brother has the DX Racer King and I just bought the new 2022 Titan Evo, so I will be able to give you more insight on that from a personal point of view tomorrow.

[@cemitas1316]

@@thefujitafive1820 so what are your thoughts between the Titan and DX racer?

[@modernggs4248]

@@thefujitafive1820 yooo what's up with the Titan?

[@thefujitafive1820]

@@modernggs4248 can confirm, the Titan feels less cheap on the 4D armrests. The chair itself is soooo comfortable. Since it is softweave, it is definitely more comfortable than the PU leather DX Racer. I love everything about it. The new Titans have a magnetic floating pillow, that I love but they could have made the magnet a touch stronger to be honest.

[@modernggs4248]

@@thefujitafive1820 bro I already placed my order and after reading this comment just made me SO much more excited haha . Thanks for the feedback 💪🏻

[@leonf8199]

lol the embody is way better than any shitty "gaming" chair

[@bigmerc3054]

It also costs 200% more lol..you’re not going to get the same quality from a $500 chair that you would from a $1500 chair, it’s not rocket science

[@fegergerg5958]

@@bigmerc3054 Id gladly spend 1500 after using the titan for a year...

[@pip5461]

I've used all three and found them all to be supportive... The placebo effect from Herman Miller and Steelcase Leap aside, I found that Secretlab Titan 2022 was equally as good- go figure...!

[@Myxo14]

I disagree that there is a 'placebo' effect with HM and SC chairs...especially when comparing it to Secretlab. I like the Titan and think it's a great chair, but saying it's equally as good to HM and/or SC is deceiving to potential buyers. My chair videos are not sponsored, so I don't have a horse in this race.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Placebo effect? So does that mean you wouldn't notice a difference if you ate shit and then a piece of chocolate?

[@777dtl6]

I had Al 3 chair as well, titan can not even compare with the other two. Terrible warranty, okay build quality and price just way too high for a gaming chair.

[@ninjamasterdave]

Oh jeez no comparison, embody is a work of art. Titan is garbage.

[@alexvswrld]

Lmao

[@AB-ll8so]

pleeeeeeease don't buy 'gaming'/car chairs...you want one ONLY because...well...- because you have been (ones again) bamboozled by some clever advertising - that's all - there is NOTHING more to it...

[@Ryyuuzakii]

Would you buy the Herman Miller chairs tho?

[@AB-ll8so]

​@@Ryyuuzakii 'gaming' chairs are 100% wast of money and if that's not enough: they are 100% BAD for you/for your body - thay are designet for look and look only - nothing more, nothing less. no one would ever sell a good ergonomic chair in order to buy a gaming chair - it's ALWAYS the other way around and there is a reason for it. no one would EVER come to this conclusion on their own: 'I want to sit on a car-seat at home while gaming/doing some office work etc.' - NO...ONE ;-) - it's just clever advertising and most people are just gullible. to me, Herman Miller Embody is a 600$ chair, the rest is 12years warranty and you can sell it after 10 years and still get a few 100$ for it - no problem! ('gaming' chair: worthless from the beginning, bad for you from the beginning, 100% waste of money). in short: yes, I would buy it and if you devide the cost of it by 12 years of warranty (4380 days) it will cost you less than 0,3$ pr day - and that's a GREAT DEAL! - for your body AND for your wallet

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@@RyyuuzakiiYou can also try Steelcase and Haworth, which are both rivals to Herman Miller.

[@Rick4astro]

if u sit on that thing im youre enemy! the embody is the one ! im proud to have it new bought 12 years waranty never made a better choice! its an true investment in youre health on the long term for sure! try to sit one and you will understand me. for the most of the people it fits

[@alexworm1707]

You don't have to be Einstein to get to the conclusion that both chairs can't be ergonomic. One's backrest is curved, the other is a flat slab.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

True, but there are so many delusional gamers out there and idiots like Stu's Reviews who claim the Titan is the best chair ever made and way better than proper high end office chairs.

[@KPlainfeather08]

Thumbs up

[@RodovalPTY]

Those gaming chairs are all the same, a true scam, I never had back issues in any chair until i got a dxracer. only kept it for two days. Then got an autonomous ergo 2 and its amazing. I'll give it to my wife and i'll be getting the herman logitech embody.

[@XCVIIXCVII]

You got back issues from a DXRACER, not a Secretlab chair. They are not the same

[@brokenSnake]

Extremely uncomfortable chair. I don’t not why People subject themselves to this thing

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Embody is a whole another level, the Titan is Chinese garbage.

[@MrFenkins]

label still hanging there cause you r gonna return it soon or wut

[@Myxo14]

😘