The Titanic Inquiry: Crew of the SS Californian

[@CleoPhoenixRT]

Meanwhile, the crew of the Carpathia were awake, downing coffee, running on little sleep and hauling ass to get back to the Titanic's coordinates at speeds she wasnt even built for. They are the true heroes.

[@bwwestman]

Hauling ass is an understatement 😁... Captain Rostron literally red-lined the boilers and engines past their working capacity to the risk of destruction. Heroic moves on his part and the crew's.

[@jamesfracasse8178]

@@bwwestman later that month when the ship itself was back in Liverpool she had to have a full overhaul of her engines and boiler room!

[@fredmitchel1236]

As a person that is not a sailor...I call that hauling ass.... Good job, Carpation ... I think every engine can be run hard for a tiny...

[@jamesfracasse8178]

@@fredmitchel1236 no it can't unless you are willing to break down in the mid Atlantic shipping routes, that why there are ratings for what a engine is designed for; clearly you don't know cow dung for nothing dip dung

[@FrisiaBonn]

@@jamesfracasse8178 did the overhaul occur in Liverpool Docks (Canada Graving or whatnot?) or Birkenhead's Cammell Laird (where I live). That's some info that's mostly missed out about her history, actually. That's pretty insane and good on them for doing so! Poor girl must have been totally worn from that! Crew also!

[@strechinpick]

Imagine if they had responded. It’s incredible to think there was a ship within site of the tragedy yet no response was given. Just incredible!

[@darthbedlammasterofdueling4519]

Where was Cyril Evans in this. He was the wireless operator on the Californian. He turned off the wireless, so he should of been in this to make it as accurate as possible.

[@flaviusconstantius9702]

@@darthbedlammasterofdueling4519 Evans was Californian's only wireless operator. He had to sleep at some point. Would you expect him to man the wireless 24/7 all by himself?

[@jacobmassey3897]

@@flaviusconstantius9702 wirelesses were still new to ships and up until this point were used mainly to send messages to family members. I believe Titanic was the first ship to ever use the CQD or SOS distress call.

[@johnbowman1076]

Remember... the Titanic's operator snapped at the Californian about warnings of ice. They were busy with personal messages prior to hitting the berg.

[@johnnyfive4436]

@@johnbowman1076 Would it make a difference? I mean California was so small compared to Titanic. It could get pulled under with the sinking if it did go to help them. Or it could be there too late anyways from where they were at that night.

[@Ronbo710]

Not knowing any of the actors made this even better. Brilliant job !!!

[@vinnydurham8964]

Paul mcgann is fairly famous actor in England. He is after all a former doctor who doctor

[@dancingtrout6719]

Robert De niro & joe pesci.. now your honor look i dont know Nuffin.. i forgots

[@walboyfredo6025]

@@vinnydurham8964 He was originally casted for Sharpe but he fell ill and the role went over to Sean Bean. He also have two other brothers who are also well known actors.

[@lemonpepperjones7093]

Aye that’s the dude from taken you sleep😂

[@ilokivi]

@@vinnydurham8964 And co-starred with Richard E Grant in Withnail and I, as well as the BBC production The Monocled Mutineer.

[@eperon]

To me, the lynchpin that sealed the tragedy was when the Captain of the Californian was awakened and told about the flares…. He did not then awaken his radio man to put on his headphones and see what was going on. Unbelievable!

[@Eltanin25]

Yeah, unbelievable they omitted from the script the reason why he did not to it. He was sure that the she did not have wireless. He knwe that the closest ship with the wireless was Titanic and this ship 5 miles away didn't look like Titanic. It looked like a ship of a size of Californian - Gibson, Stone and Lord agreed on it.

[@theresafeeney2756]

Yup, I agree!!

[@blabla20202]

@@Eltanin25 how can he be 100% sure that it wasn't the the titanic if he was asleep and didn't remeber anything? His story doesn't really keep up.

[@Eltanin25]

@@blabla20202 He had seen the ship in question before he went to sleep. He had seen it with his own eyes and he agreed with the 2nd officer that it was a tramp steamer, approximately of the size of the Californian. He than consulted with the wireless operator, who's the closest with the wireless, learned that Titanic, said: "This is not Titanic" and ordered to try to contact them with Morse lamp.

[@rizon72]

Hindsight is wonderful. But you have to remember there were other ships in the area, including a Norwegian sealer illegally fishing in the area. Flares were not an uncommon thing. We're looking at this event with modern understanding not realizing what was normal and not normal back then. Like so many things in life when looking back the path was clear, but when living that moment, you never see the path.

[@SilVer-gl9sp]

A prime example of why it’s better to be safe than sorry. I’m sure most of the crew knew something wasn’t quite right but didn’t have the guts to properly address it. Instead, they danced around the situation and hesitated. All they had to do to be safe was wake up the radio operator and have him check up on the Titanic. This most likely could have been done in mere minutes had they gone with this option.

[@charliethomas2219]

BINGO THE CALIFORNIAN SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIT FOR THAT ALONE. FAILING TO WAKE UP THE WIRELESS TO CHECK FOR PROBLEMS.

[@tylergagnon1613]

Another good example is the Carpathia operator. The Operator was actually off duty and turning in for the night when he decided to take one last listen to the morse.

[@bobwill]

@@tylergagnon1613 not just that, he was hoping to get the score for a football game, just that random bit of luck saved hundreds of people.

[@RobCLynch]

The only thing is that it wasn't compulsory to keep a 24 hour radio watch, so the Californian was quite within its rights to switch off its Marconi wireless. Obviously this rule changed after the Titanic disaster.

[@KebabMusicLtd]

@@RobCLynch At that point in history, the Marconi wireless was more of a novelty that generated income for the Marconi Company than it was considered a serious safety feature. RMS Titanic had two operators and around the clock wireless operation so that the passengers could send telegrams from the ship. This is also why many of the warning messages got lost among all the back-and-forth greetings etc. SS Californian was not a passenger liner but a merchant ship, so their system didn't have the same demand as the passenger liner. Also, as their sole Marconi Man had to work long hours the crew tended not to disturb him in his down time. It was only because the ship had stopped in the pack-ice that he got to hang-up his can's earlier than usual. I think the last message he sent before doing so was to the Titanic to warn her of the ice.

[@shotty2164]

Even IF the vessel the Californian saw wasn’t the Titanic. The fact remains that they still ignored white rockets of SOMEONE in distress, and didn’t even bother to take the most basic action in waking up his wireless operator to ensure there was no one in need of assistance. He flat out ignored a vessel firing rockets of the same type that could be used as distress rockets (rockets that throw stars). Even if they couldn’t have saved everyone, the CERTAINLY could have save SOME, if not hundreds or even a thousand, but he did absolutely… nothing.

[@mr.robinson7083]

Selfishness and emotionless . That is why ?

[@patriciadupree3636]

Exactly

[@patriciadupree3636]

Sleep is a powerful pull . But he was fit enough to captain , he was fit enough to come awake . I never knew about this inquiry . They drowned twice . Tears .

[@Mark-st7mp]

Before all this happened Stanley Lord definitely took the most basic actions. He stopped the Californian for the night. And his operator sent out a warning. One of several ice warnings the Titanic received during her journey. Had the officers on the Titanic come to the same conclusion as Stanley Lord did hardly anybody would talk anymore about the Titanic today.

[@maddalonefarms]

How were they suppose to know what they meant?

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

Meanwhile, Captain Rostron ordered Carpathia's heating and water to be turned off and redirected to the engines to drive at speeds she was never designed for to come to TItanic's aid. And for his incredible efforts was awarded a Congressional Gold Medal and appointed a Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire. Thanks to his incredible bravery and decision to act he retired in 1931 having risen from the captain of a small and insignificant steamer to become the Commodore of the entire Cunard Line.

[@CanadianMonarchist]

The world always loves a hero, and Rostron definitely showed great courage. However Rostron hadn’t turned off the ship’s engines for the night, and there wasn’t an ice field between him and the Titanic.

[@GlamorousTitanic21]

@@CanadianMonarchist what the hell are you talking about? First off. I never said that the engines were turned off, just the interior heating and passenger water supplies; which were redirected to the power-plant to increase steam capacity and speed. Secondly, there was an ice field between Titanic and Carpathia. She had to zigzag around the ice packs to get to the survivors. We have eyewitness written accounts from Carpathia crew members and passengers about the ice fields. Do some research before just claiming that everything you read is bunk.

[@n.h6001]

@@GlamorousTitanic21I believe his point about the engines was to illustrate that the Californian would have had to do just that; fire up her engines and navigate out of the field of ice they were in. Not that I disagree with you, but I believe that’s what his point was about. How long it takes to get an early 20th century steamer up and running, I don’t know

[@mariamatheson5300]

​captain Rostron also was very lucky that his wireless operator happened to check his set after he was off duty and while he was undressing. If it hadn't been for Cottam, the Carpathia would have slept through the whole thing.😮

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

The RMS Carpathia, Did the impossible that night..

[@PamelaCrockett-o9t]

My Grandfather was a fireman on the ss californian. He was at the enquiry, but was never called to give evidence. I never met him, but because of the inquiry I was able to see a photo of him, he was 23 years old at the time

[@wesleyfreiman7649]

What was your grandfather's name?

[@PamelaCrockett-o9t]

@@wesleyfreiman7649 His name was George Glenn, he was from Bootle, on Merseyside. He was about 23 years old

[@wesleyfreiman7649]

@@PamelaCrockett-o9t Thank you so much!

[@HayleySulfridge]

That’s amazing, did he ever speak about it to family or anything?

[@PamelaCrockett-o9t]

@@HayleySulfridge I'm not sure, he passed away before I was born. Given that a my cousin, knew about it ,maybe .

[@theresafeeney2756]

This documentary was very well done, I loved it! Rather than a movie about Ttanic sinking, I would love to see a Hollywood full length film about the inquests. I think that would be fascinating. If such a film was made for the big screen that I don't know about please let me know. Thanks for sharing this!

[@darthbedlammasterofdueling4519]

The wireless operator Cyril Evans not being in this is bull crap. He played a big role in this disaster and he did not come to this inquiry.

[@Soupdragon1964]

If Hollywood were involved then it would be no more accurate than their film about the sinking. Great film in many respects but largely a work of fiction.

[@victorcolon1454]

One of the deleted scenes of "TITANIC" showed the Wireless exchange between CALIFORNIAN and TITANIC. And 1 small light of the CALIFORNIAN (A speck) was shown for a second during the sinking.

[@royfr8136]

If Hollywood got involved, many of the actors would be black, ethnic, gay and female because you know.... inclusivity. Regardless of historical fact. Instead of Paul Mccann, it would be Will Smith's wife.

[@IWTBF]

Petition to make it happen?

[@DragonIsNotASlave]

They literally ignored their own gut and logic that a ship was in distress. Ignored their own eyes that they ship was sending up rockets in the middle of the night from one location and listing to the side in the middle of an ice field. They should have at least woke up the radio operator to see if they could contact the ship and try at least find out what’s going on.

[@tylergagnon1613]

Smith also made a lot of head scratching mistakes. The first was not being clear on orders. T smith said “Women and Children first.” but didn’t explain if he meant women and children only or women and children and then men if there was room. I actually read that after he found out the Carpathia was the only ship coming but would take 4 hours to get there, Smith walked around like he was in a trance not really taking charge or giving orders. It was like the whole thing was just too much for him. Which makes sense because crashing a ship into an iceberg, then be told the ship is going to sink, then reminded there aren’t enough lifeboats, then told that they only have maybe 2 hours, then told that the closest ship is 4 hours away is all a hard pill to swallow.

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

​@@tylergagnon1613Really???

[@insane_rail_lover]

Not to mention the rockets weren’t sent up appropriately. They were sent up every 5-6 minutes, which would usually mean company signals. If they meant distress it would have to be every 30 seconds to a minute. This probably confused the Californian’s officers on deck. It would’ve definitely confused James Gibson as he was one of the youngest crew members aboard (19-20 years old).

[@diontaedaughtry974]

Captain Lord's was holding on to his "I was asleep" defense for dear life. This is what happens when you and the boys are not on the same page. Great video 👍👍

[@Vakama95096]

Captain Lord really makes me sick to my stomach. He really was a cold bastard. "They are dead, we are living. And there is nothing nothing you can do to bring them back" That's really cold.

[@mesofius]

@@Vakama95096 he was a douchebag

[@squiremuldoon5462]

@@Vakama95096 to be fair the dialogue in between the court scenes is fiction, there is no way to know what they said among each other really.

[@shaynewheeler9249]

Mom and dad are going Titanic lost it live

[@shaynewheeler9249]

Mom and dad are going to Rio lost their lives 😭

[@CW-rx2js]

I will present both points for and against Stanley Lord. Points for: 1. He was exhausted and had had 17 hours of continuous work. So he needed to sleep 2. Call log destruction is usually a common practice or was in the 1900s. The only thing illegal was to modify call logs or rip off certain pages. 3. Some historians and scientists have said that captain Lord may have been a victim of mirage at night at sea, this happens sometimes , you see something else instead of what there is. 4. The Titanic's 4th officer actually gave a wrong position of the Titanic so even if they wanted to go there, they would be too late 5. This was a major shipping disaster in fact the largest in history. The shipping company was also one of the largest and most prestigious, and as is often the case with big companies, needed a scape goat to avoid taking responsibility and a hit to the reputation Against captain Lord: 1. He was woken not once but twice by the crew members who saw the flare lights and both times he went back to sleep dismissing them 2. You should have at least asked his wireless operator to clarify with the Titanic as to what was wrong. Never called his wireless operator back to communicate with the Titanic 3. He never offered an apology or at least any grief or sorrow after the incident

[@herzmn594]

About point 4 the carpathie also received the wrong position but could find them anyways because they saw the lightning !!! So californian would find them as well!!! They coul see them like literally

[@starrsmith3810]

About the last point, I’m of the belief that just because someone doesn’t do something outwardly doesn’t mean they didn’t feel compassion or grief about it

[@cnote2458]

@@starrsmith3810 many historians have labelled lord as a sociopath. Every thing from the inquiry to after was about himself. Even though I think he was caught holding a bag that wasn't even his fault. He still done several mistakes that could of helped the possibility of preventing the loss of 1500 lifes. Not saying his to blame but simple common sense could of gave them a chance. But he never acknowledged that possibility. He view was titanic was at fault and I wasn't.

[@starrsmith3810]

@@cnote2458 none of said historians were probably even around or even met Lord. That and I seriously question how many of them are actually qualified to diagnose someone with sociopathy.

[@cnote2458]

@@starrsmith3810 most our qulified and let's say they wasn't even though they was. It's like saying as experts didn't personally know Ted bundy is impossible to call him a psychopath qs it wasn't there era. Captain Lord changed his story multiple times qnd showed zero emotion for the people that was loss. Never acknowledge the idea that maybe him and his crew may have been able to save some lives. He played the victim card and felt sorry for himself no one else. In reality he actually changed his story multiple time and really didn't see what all the fuss was about with him and his crew. He worked for himself alone that's why he is shown two faced with stone. As he threw him straight under the buss to pass the blame. A real Captain would take full responsibility.

[@kirbygene]

This is a part of the story of the Titanic I never knew about. I had only heard that another ship was fairly close but wasn't the one that came to their rescue.

[@thesmithersy]

Many ships did. The Birma, the Olympic, the Mount Temple but the Californian was the closest yet did nothing.

[@tweetypie1978]

Most of this is made up. Only the courtroom testimony is documented. There's another video exploring the weird sea conditions that night. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6m0p5ygbbmnq8k There were mirages which hid the iceberg until it was about to hit and the SS Californian was probably were they said it was but they could see over the horizon due to the cold air, warm sea making everything distorted. It was also why the Titanic looked like a small steamer to them. If only they had woke Evans up!

[@alainprostbis]

@@tweetypie1978 well the mirage thing is nothing but a theory. At night with no moon, with no wave and a haze on surface as it was described, everybody knows that a berg will not be spotted easily. Trying to make a mystery about that is kind of silly and looking for additional theories is unnecessary. At one point in their testimony, the lookouts even say the hase was so bad that they could not spot the iceberg on time. More importantly the Titanic had a big design flaw: She had a huge blind spot. And we know it as her sistership the olympic had had a collision with another boat just a few months before, at the same position on the Hull where the iceberg hit the Titanic. It happened during daylight on a calm sea. No mirage needed. Also the berg was a small one (relative to the Ship), which no movie ever gets right. You always see a mountain of ice towering above the Titanic but it is not the case. We know it for two reasons: first the lookouts survived and described it , for instance Fleet described it at the American inquiry: "it seemed at firstjust as big as two tables" and eventually grew and was at collision "a little bit higher than the forecastle head". This is 50 feet above water and small relative to the titanic height above water.the biat deck was 10 feet higher and the funnels or the masts were much higher. It was the Titanic which towered aboved the iceberg, not the other way around. This is confirmed by the fact that ice was found only on the well deck (at the bow of the Titanic, just behind the forcastle head, there is a recess on the side called the well deck). No ice was reported on the boat deck for instance. It was very unlucky that the titanic encountered such a small berg (still as destructive below waterline) relative to its size, and not a bigger one. To spot it 30 seconds prior would have made all the difference. Now one can argue that the Californian did not do "everything". Thats true. And the behavior of crew confirmed they felt some guilt. But this is essentially blame game. The Ship, which they knew was the Titanic, had not responded to their radio warning at 10.30, and had even told them off, and an hour later was firing rockets, but was also apparently sailing away, did not respond to their morse signals, and more importantly was "unsinkable". Captain Smith of the Titanic had a famous quote where he told that modern ships with their water tight compartments (which was not the case of the californian) had gone beyond the risk of sinking. And the californian was blocked by ice. She was herself on survival mode. This inquiry was a travesty of justice, whitewashing the whiteStar and the Board of trade itself. The main culprits are the officers of the Titanic, Murdoch who was at command at impact, Smith who was the captain , but even Lightoller was at the helm just before Murdoch took over, as they were all responsible of going full speed at night while there was haze on the surface of water that they could all see, the temperature had suddenly dropped and they all felt it, hence they had entered the Labrador corridor where they were all informed of the presence of Icebergs. They just thought Titanic was unsinkable and did not take proper care. Other culprits are the lookouts whose job it was to spot the berg and they did not do it in time. They were going through a haze that was thickening according to their own words. Who knows what they were doing and how serious they were at their job at this very moment. The tone of Fleet at the American Inquest is annoying. He is extremely obstructive. By comparison stanley Lord in this docudrama is a peach... and you know this docudrama is a hitpiece when you realize that the Titanic crewmember testifying and described as all rozy and perfect is reginald Lee, the second member of the crowsnest (together with fleet), hence responsible for not spotting the berg, but they carefully leave it out, while imagining incriminating conversation between the Californian crewmembers in the washroom...moreover his testimony is highly edited. In real life he repeated a few times that he did not know what vessel he saw (which we are made to believe was the Californian), he just saw one faint white light, and he repeated twice that he could not even say if it was not a lifeboat from the Titanic... And of course the board of trade passing judgment on the Californian crew while they themselves had allowed the Titanic to go at sea with an insufficient number of lifeboats. Or not having the wyesight of the lookouts being checked. The testimony of reginald lee suggests that he may have had very poor eyesight. And when the matter is brought up at the inquiry, they never attempt to test his eyesight on the spot. But of all, the Californian is the least responsible of anything. They feel bad for not understanding the gravity of the tragedy that was going on, but that is all...

[@lozzylols]

Have they not now, since finding the wreak, checked the locations and know that the Californian was too far away to have seen the Titanic, especially in such detail as was described by Gibson?

[@lozzylols]

@expattaffy1 but it had been explained, and it has also been confirmed that the ship at the bottom of the ocean is the Titanic due to their slight variation of the design and confirmation that her nameplate is correct and original. The switch is a wonderful theory, but one that has been debunked! Also my post wasn't anything to do with a switch. It was about the position the Californian and the Titanic were on the surface of the ocean, and that Gibson could never have seen her sink...

[@KebabMusicLtd]

I have always been as interested in this aspect of the Titanic story as I have the Titanic itself. You could make an entire film just about the SS Californian and what might have happened that night. It is clear from the testimony they gave at this inquiry that they knew it was RMS Titanic they were looking at and that they did everything after the fact, to cover for themselves. It is known that Captain Lord had a conference with his officers once they learned that the RMS Titanic had foundered and it was obvious the scap-log-book would have proven the disaster took place right under their noses. I truly believe that Lord didn't fully comprehend what his officers had been telling him. Maybe he really believed that Titanic was unsinkable.

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

True

[@IWTBF]

If it they knew it was the titanic why didn’t they go and help?

[@masterchief1992HHQ]

Probably put the wrong coordinates in the log too, the scrap log probably put them 5-10 miles from the Titanic

[@rizon72]

@@IWTBF Even then the ship wouldn't have made it in time to save many who lost their lives. The Californian would have had to raise steam, and get to the site before Titanic sank with boats in the water. Even then some will still die. The ship gets there any later and the vast majority who died will still die.

[@edwardgilhooley1499]

The value of the California in any rescue attempt can be debated; the fact that the crew did not take any action that night cannot be excused. It was the end of Captain Lord's career.

[@corals4508]

As it should have been......hope he had nightmares of dead souls crying for help.

[@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY]

@@corals4508 He was definitely very disappointed in the creation of the 1958 movie A Night To Remember and how he was portrayed in it.

[@davidrotter3862]

It was not the end of Lords career. In February 1913, he was hired by the Nitrate Producers Steamship Company as a Captain where he remained as a Captain for over 14 straight years until a somewhat early retirement for health reasons. The S.O.S. position that Titanic’s 4th Officer Joseph Boxhall gave on the night of the sinking was off by some 13 miles according to the position of the actual wreckage itself. What this means cannot be overstated. It has been calculated many times that the 80x30 mile area of field ice that both ships were in, combined with the Californian’s top speed of 13 knots makes it abundantly clear that even if Lord had done everything possible to get there and to save as many people as possible, he would have arrived at or around the same time as the Carpathia. The greatest injustice perpetrated here is that the Titanic is a multibillion dollar industry and not one cent of that vast wealth goes to any of relatives of those whose lives the Titanic industry is luxuriously living on! It is despicable that this grotesque oversight is allowed to just exist year after year. Big budget movies are made and nothing gets offered to the family members of those who perished that cold freezing night in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean. Is Stanley Lord a Sociopath who never showed an ounce of sympathy for the very preventable 1,500+ lives snuffed out or the pain of the surviving family members of those who died..? All indications are that he was, and so shame on him forever for not caring and for doing nothing! Until dawn on that incredibly cold sad morning, Stanley Lord had choices. After that night, he had to live with the repercussions of his singularly wretched choice of not acting on behalf of anyone besides himself! Again though, because of the position of the wreckage and that of the Californian, it can be reasonably stated that if Lord had gone full rescue 🛟 mode, he had 4 lifeboats, 1 Gig and 1 Pinnace with a total capacity of 218 people. With a crew of 48 Men, 24 of which were needed on board to keep all things “on and functioning”, he would have 6 crewmen for each lifeboat and if you’ve ever looked into the effects of hypothermia, then you will know that in 28 degree water, your limbs grow numb in just a few minutes and your ability to aid in your own recovery is almost nil. This means that the crew would have a much harder time getting any survivors into the little boats. That the Californian had a cargo of woolen blankets and clothing is beyond merely provocative! In conclusion: Lord had a primary responsibility to his Leyland Line Contract which stated that he was not allowed to risk losing the ship and that he had a responsibility to come to the aid of anyone that he reasonably could. He was one of the youngest and most competent Captains on the high seas, and although his relationship with rockets 🚀 and or signal flares indicates that unless there was a strict timing to the discharge of rockets of 1 minute intervals, then that might indicate that they were simply letting their presence be made clear by discharge of what back then were called signal flares and in very certain circumstances, distress rockets. Look into the various times in Lord’s career that he encountered many instances of seeing signal flares being shot just to say hello to by a passing ship. From our vantage points, we can hate and blame all we want but back then, there was an unfair class or caste system firmly in place and unless we were there in luxury, we simply can not know why the heavy players involved acted the ways in which they did. Look into the real reasons why the Titanic was going flank speed through a field of Icebergs, some of which were 500,000 tons!??!? Captain Smith had a lethal fire 🔥 in more than one coal bunker. Coal can burn as hot 3,500 degrees Fahrenheit or 1,926 Celsius. This fire and utter complacency on board spelled the doom of this most celebrated of vessels, the Royal Mail Steamship, Titanic!

[@GreywolfRaventhorne]

That was excellent! Captivating and engaging the entire time!

[@Handle2point0]

I can’t believe I got to watch this for free 😅 just incredible acting. Some of the lines from this script are masterful.

[@rickakashockshockey9151]

This was beautifully done.

[@jamesfracasse8178]

Let's face the facts: Because Jack Phillips had rudely and harshly brushed off Cyril Evan's warning ⚠️ of the ice field and stopping🛑 for the night, the California's crew just sitted and watched the whole thing going down 🔻⬇️ and decided it wasn't worth their time or effort to help 🆘 out and are now trying to squirm their way out of any wrongdoing.

[@vladraduandrei5227]

@@jamesfracasse8178 are you 10 years old or some shit ?

[@jamesfracasse8178]

@@vladraduandrei5227 oh I'm sorry did you have family members aboard the titanic or California?

[@markportwood4045]

Paul McGann, the best voice in Britain. Touches of Richard Burton.

[@shaynewheeler9249]

Me and my sister going Titanic 2 in 3 class so much 😭

[@AvengerII]

I like him in this, too. It would have been nice to see more of him as the Eighth Doctor. I understand he did several radio plays for Big Finish Productions as the Eighth Doctor.

[@bobzthecat82]

My grandfather William Albert Homans was a 17 year old stoker on the ship that night. He said they stopped for the night as the captain thought it too dangerous and later the captain got drunk and went to bed. He told my mum this story for many years. Listening to this, it appears he could be right as the captain's inability to act could be due to that

[@melvingeloneck3344]

A lot of people incorrectly assume that this Inquiry was the one and only inquiry into that disaster. Prior to what is commonly known as "The Inquiry" or "The British Inquiry" there was an American Inquiry. Senator Smith of Michigan headed it up. It was held at first in New York City and then moved to Washington, D.C. Although the American Inquiry was widely criticized, it reached the same conclusions that the British Inquiry reached.

[@AlashiaTuol]

I remember this. The criticisms I remember hearing about was that the British were offended that the Americans thought they could question British citizens, and Senator Smith was painted as dumb and incapable. In reality, Senator Smith was a smarter rhetorician than the British tabloids were willing to recognize and would ask dumb-sounding questions to make his mark explain things plainly for the record and then use that to trap them in contradictions later--while the British tabloids would use this to paint him as simply dumb. Hilariously, the arrogance the British showed in being offended and condescending to the American inquiry when the ship was technically owned by an American company is part of how Lord incriminated himself. He thought Smith and the American inquiry as a whole was dumb, and contradicted himself frequently while thinking he was fooling him. As Adam Hamdy put it, Smith gave Lord enough rope to hang himself.

[@wor53lg50]

​@@AlashiaTuolwhite star line was not american owned, so your little rant is made irrelevant as its prooven to be unreliable..

[@AlashiaTuol]

@wor53lg50 Yes it was. It was bought by JP Morgan in 1902. Maybe check your own facts first before correcting someone else, especially in such a haughty way.

[@AlashiaTuol]

@wor53lg50 One of the major reasons the Cunard line talked the British government into subsidizing them at that time is to keep them British-owned, because JP Morgan was going around buying up all the transatlantic lines he could to form a monopoly, like he had with railroads on land, and he'd already bought White Star and a whole bunch of others.

[@AlashiaTuol]

@wor53lg50 Please tell me you're British. It'd be hilariously ironic.

[@zwp6]

I think it's important to remember that this isn't a documentary, it's a drama. Only the parts of the inquiry are based on historical reference, and even then the minutes of the inquiry don't capture the tone of what is being. It's also entirely possible that the Californian didnt' see the Titanic, as this is based on the ships reported positions at the time of the disaster. The Titanic was later found to be 13 miles away from that position. Also the orrect way of signaling distress with rockets at the time was to fire them off a 1 minute intervals, not as they were reported to have been fired. After the Titanic the distress signal was also standardised to red rockets. These steps were taken to fix errors in the system that could lead to miscommunications such as this. Having said all that, the Californian crew should have woken their radio operator if there was ANY question as to the purpose of the signal, which there obviously was.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

The problem is that a number of members of Californian's crew stated that they had seen rockets, and had reported them to Captain Lord. Assuming this to be true, the problem about Titanic's actual becomes less relevant, as, to follow the military maxim, Californian could have 'marched towards the sound of the guns,' or in this case the rockets. I agree with your last sentence. Lord seems to have been remarkably uninquisitive that night.

[@wolf310ii]

Were does that 1 minute come from? did Bright Side or any other shitty "10 facts creator" made a video about that? The rules at that time say nothing about 1 minute, they say short evenly intervals

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@wolf310ii From the "Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea" that were in effect in 1912 dealing with the subject of distress signals: When a vessel is in distress and requires assistance from other vessels or from the shore, the following shall be the signals to be used or displayed by her, either together or separately: At night: (1) a gun or other explosive signal fired at intervals of about a minute. (2) Flames on the vessel as from a burning tar barrel, oil barrel, etc. (3) Rockets or shells, throwing stars of any colour or description, fired one at a time at short intervals. (4) A continuous sounding with any fog-signal apparatus.

[@Brot1984]

@@dovetonsturdee7033 The position is still relevant because the distance between the two ships is important to know if California could have rescued anyone. Titanic only even started firing rockets at 0:45 it sank at about 2:20. The California could travel at 13 knots so in the time between firing of the first rocket and sinking of the Titanic she could only travel about 20.6 miles. Anything further away already means it would have been impossible to arrive in time. And in actuality that distance is even shorter: The California would have needed time to get going again considering she stopped for the night. Also it needs multiple rockets to even establish that there is an emergency situation so firing the first rocket would not have been enough. And rescue operations themselves also need preparation and time.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

@@Brot1984 Well, as for whatever reason, Captain Lord chose to ignore the rockets in any case, I suggest that it is not relevant. Californian could have been within ten miles, and still wouldn't have responded.

[@constantinelheman]

Damn...that was a real hard slap by the lady. So quick in her execution and so perfect is the landing of her palm to his face it made crisp loud sound. Brilliant.

[@gabbou2836]

Makes want to know more about the thoughts and feelings of those aboard the Olympic eastward bound that very same week of Titanic's sinking. Must've been scary, knowing you're on a ship that looks the same (to most people of the time) and of similar vulnerability.

[@McLarenMercedes]

"Must've been scary, knowing you're on a ship that looks the same (to most people of the time) and of similar vulnerability." Nonsense. It was known any ship could sink. 80% of the passengers were third class who were on a one-way-trip to the new world. To them the prospect of a new life way outweighed any fear of sinking. At any rate the crew certainly didn't notify the passengers the Titanic had sunk. I still don't understand why people think that news back in 1912 traveled anywhere near as rapidly as it does today. Most people got their news through newspapers. Not even radio with speech broadcasts existed until 1919. FM Radio didn't arrive until 1933. How many people do you believe knew Olympic was the sister ship of the Titanic? They certainly didn't have the internet to learn about that and to most people back then a ship is a ship is a ship. In fact it's still that way. "similar vulnerabiltiy". If the ship was going almost at full speed and the captain ignored the warnings of icebergs it's the *captain* not the ship that is vulnerable. Did people back in 1977 stop traveling on Boeing 747's after the infamous Tenerife Airport Disaster in which killed 583 passengers in a fiery inferno? No, because people knew that plane crashes happen. It was no different in 1912 with ships. Last I checked airlines still have their Boeing 737 MAX models... even though two of them crashed due to the MCAS system. People who have seen documentaries about Boeing cutting corners with the development of the 737 MAX (new large engines on an old plane with low wings) might think twice before booking a flight on one. But 90% of all air travelers actually have no idea what kind of plane they're on and how safe it is. So in what reality are the passengers thinking:"Oh, we're on the sister ship of the Titanic, which we heard hit an iceberg and sank, so we might hit an iceberg as well." ? Your assessment is quite peculiar. Anachronistic.

[@gabbou2836]

​@@McLarenMercedes Calm down dude😅, it was just a simple thought.

[@KebabMusicLtd]

Prior to RMS Titanic sinking, RMS Olympic experienced problems of its own. These include its collision with HMS Hawke on 20 September 1911 under Captain E. Smith. RMS Olympic was badly damaged and had two of its compartments flooded, but remained afloat despite a list and she managed to make it back to port. It was probably this incident that convinced people even more of the unsinkability of RMS Titanic. A few weeks before Titanic went bye-byes, RMS Olympic threw a propeller. An incident that is referenced in the film 'A Night To Remember.' This incident also meant that White Star Line pulled some resources from the RMS Titanic which delayed her maiden voyage by three weeks. It's possible that had RMs Titanic set sail on 20 March 1912, that the Labrador Current might have been different and the free-flowing ice not as prominent in that area of the Alley-Alley Ocean.

[@yamato6114]

@@McLarenMercedes​​⁠Titanic looking like the Olympic was a legitimate concern at one point though…. Olympic offered help but was turned down. Rostron and Ismay were worried that a near identical copy of the ship that just sank showing up would further traumatize the already shell shocked survivors.

[@GeorgeGiann]

It is a tragedy, but after having seen this, I kind of understand why the captain decided (if he indeed decided) not to go to the Titanic’s aid through an entire field of ice and icebergs, especially after having been warned (the Titanic) of the imminent danger. What a tragedy indeed to be the captain on that night, both on the Titanic and the Californian.

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

The mount temple also send ice warning to the titanic

[@barneypfeffer3032]

Titanic recieved many warnings the last one Titanic wire ops told the California to shut up keep out.

[@SudrianTales]

Plus even if he succeeded, the ship still would've needed to raise steam. Imagine him getting it and getting there at about 2:30 when the screaming stopped

[@philipchiu9835]

Great courtroom drama. I wished the film would have addressed the question as to why by wasn't the wireless operator wakened up to hear if any signals were being sent by the nearby ship (if indeed it was the Titantic). That would have cleared up a lot of questions about the rockets. But sadly, it appears the officer on duty did nothing of the sort. To me this represents a severe case of negligence of duty on the part of Lt. Stone. He didn't have the courage to take initiative, wake the captain or ask for authorization to wake the signals officer to turn on the wireless.

[@darklordsofthesith5331]

Where the heck was Cyril evens. the Californian only wireless operator. He could of cleared a lot of stuff up about this.

[@ddivincenzo1194]

@@darklordsofthesith5331 He had retired for the night and was asleep. He ought to have been awakened. I don't know how many the Californian would have been able to save but it would have been better than none. I don't know what help he would have been here. He tried warning the Titanic's operator who was very curt to him, too busy sending off passenger's meaningless glop. He turned the machine off and went to bed.

[@roberts.arnone1808]

I wish I could’ve been in court that day back then to ask that question myself. Seeing rockets going off I would have thought they would’ve woke the wireless operator. But judging by how they gave their testimonies they must’ve thought it wasn’t necessary. I’m sure in hindsight they had wished they did.

[@herzmn594]

@@ddivincenzo1194 he closed of the tool where they would still hear a distress signnal all of that is very suspicious

[@kirkmorrison6131]

He wasn't part of the crew he worked for the Marconi Company. There was no 24 hour watch and they could only request he turn on "The Marconi Device "

[@joshuakruty6967]

Captain lord was an expert navigator who didn't make mistakes he indeed was 30 miles from the titanic. They were able to see the light do to the cold water mirage effect. It's the same reason how the carpathia was able to see the green flares. Boxhall was 15 miles off on his position.

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

True..

[@mariamatheson5300]

You're so right.

[@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY]

He wasn’t 30 miles away. He was 10 miles away at the most.

[@scabbycatcat4202]

You are forgetting the sworn testimony of Groves and Gill. Both said they saw a passenger liner . Two other officers agreed that " she looks a bit queer doesn't she " and she "seems to be listing to starboard " What more possible evidence could you want that it was the Titanic ??

[@pondking2801]

Titanic never listed, she went down by the head. So if they thought she was listing, they were wrong or looking at a different ship.

[@nigelwright850]

The deck watch of the SS Californian were curious of the identity of the ship sending up rockets, but they new SS Titanic was near them so why didn't they just wake up the radio operator and ask him to contact them to see if they knew what was going on?

[@shanet5604]

They didn’t even ask that question at the inquiry,shocking !

[@pondking2801]

Probably because the board of inquiry already knew the Californian did not have power for the radios at that point.

[@tomcurda4203]

It's called a lack of initiative.

[@melvingeloneck3344]

Captain Lord, and apparently the other officers, mistakenly thought that Mr. Dunlop being retained by the Leyland Line was tantamount to his being retained to defend them. He was NOT retained to defend them. He was there to defend the Leyland Line. If that meant hanging the crew out to dry that was fine with him and the Leyland Line. Mr. Dunlop's only concern was defending the good name of the Leyland Line. I think they thought he was there to defend them when in reality he was not. I'm sure that both Mr. Isaacs, the Attorney General who represented the British Board of Trade and Mr. Dunlop as well were more than happy to know that these guys had not retained their own legal counsel. To make matters even better, they were under the false impression that Mr. Dunlop was on their side. A happy scenario for the Leyland Line and the Board Of Trade. Captain Lord and his crew were no doubt unaware of how precarious their situation was. Whether or not they were able to afford their own legal representative, they didn't have one. And they were easy prey.

[@zwepainghtet7389]

They weren’t really just prey, they were at fault, especially the ignorant and selfish captain. They are of course not 100% at fault, but they cld hv done smth. A ship which fires rockets at intervals is looming quite obvious to anyone that it’s in distress. Even if they wanted the field ice as excuse, they cld hv turned on the Morse code communicator to see what’s going on, how fire back signals of some shit.

[@margaretlavender9647]

What is this Leyland you talk of??

[@darthmayhemsithknight7681]

The Sampson is a bigger failure then the Californian.

[@Eltanin25]

@@zwepainghtet7389 Were they? If you look at the inquiry transcripts and not only at this film, you will see, it's not that simple. Mr. Gibson said he saw what appeared to be rockets, Mr. Stone confirmed this, except they seemed to be too low to be coming from a ship five miles away. There was only one rocket which seemed to be coming from that ship. So, if you take this to the account, suddenly it doesn't seem so sure that those were distress signals, does it? And that ship which appeared five miles away and fired one rocket, didn't react to Californian's Morse lamp. Would you still want to rush for a rescue in a field full of icebergs?

[@scottcreedon7405]

@@margaretlavender9647 The company that owned The Californian

[@melvingeloneck3344]

38:40 starts the worst testimony as far as the crew of the Californian is concerned. It's an admission that they saw a ship listing heavily to starboard. That's when the Titanic was listing to starboard. That's it. They SAW the Titanic. Bad enough for them that they saw the rockets. But now there is an admission that they saw a ship listing heavily to starboard and that the ship looked queer in the water. Of course, there is other testimony that was quite compelling. 54:40 is one example.

[@CW-rx2js]

But the Californian also ignored distress calls from other ships.. there is proof of that

[@kirkmorrison6131]

The rockets were fired at the the wrong interval for distress. The 8 rockets should have been fired at 1 minute intervals. At the time the Marconi operators were for passengers and there for the passengers. There were no 24 hrs watches, and Marconi operators were not part of the crew.

[@markg999]

I wonder if they could really see that...cause when they went to the location Titanic sank it took them 2.5 hours at full speed during the day to get to that location. I put that more negligence on the other officers they should have dragged the capt out of bed if they saw this.

[@benjaminvoissem2327]

Except _Titanic_ would have been listing heavily to *port* by that point, as her E-deck service corridor flooded, as well as the open port gangway doors on D-deck forward. Indeed, that fact is even borne out by _Titanic's_ own logs, which note that the port list which began almost an hour earlier had reached an angle of about nine degrees by about 2:10-2:13 AM, ten minutes before the electrical power failed.

[@kirkmorrison6131]

@@benjaminvoissem2327 true very true. Not to mention according to both investigations testimony the rockets were fired at the wrong interval.

[@damianousley8833]

Due to fatamorgana or positive mirage, in the clear cold conditions, the crews could see beyond the normal horizon. The two ships may have been more than 10 nautical miles from each other. They could have been 20 to 30 nautical miles from each other. It was the early days of radio on ships, and not every ship had them. The Titanic disarster did cause changes in maritime procedures in radio watches and safety at sea procedures.

[@Lechaim11]

A must see for all those that are interested in the Titanic. If this is a true transcript of what was said by the officers on the California, it is obvious that the Captain was culpable. Blind Freddy would have known that these were distress signals, never mind the captain of a ship.

[@marjorjorietillman856]

Wow, I believe the captain was being evasive and wasn’t being honest about the response. I see it as two issues. The Titanic captain was negligent in causing the accident for going too fast. But the second issue was the rescue, and was the Californian negligent in their zero response. For every disaster there’s ALWAYS a possibility that a successful rescue can almost reverse or salvage the impact of a catastrophe. IMO, only the Captain and crew know if a rescue should’ve been attempted for sure, and did they take the truth to the grave, because being completely honest is a very lonely road to travel!!😢❤ I mostly side with the official findings. Even if they would’ve saved 100, that would’ve been worth it, especially if it was your son, daughter, mother, father, or grandchildren waiting for help! In conclusion, I believe the Judge came to the appropriate verdict overall😢!

[@32446]

The blame game meted out on here 100 plus years later is astounding.

[@mariamatheson5300]

Would people have been happier if Lord had navigated a dangerous ice field, hit an iceberg and sank? I think some people would have.

[@Ken_Frazer-619]

​@@mariamatheson5300At least he would've tried to help not the whole sitting around and doing nothing and then lying about it saying you didn't see the titanic for 50 years afterwards

[@aj6954]

Isn`t it just! What they don`t realise is that Lord was set up as the fall guy here, he was employed directly by J P Morgan to stop where he did and look out for red signals which of course were never seen as he was 20 miles away.

[@lelouchstrife1891]

brilliant acting

[@exoressdelivers70]

I wonder how we would view this tragedy if the Titanic had sank on her 5th voyage rather than on the maiden voyage all other things being the same. I believe it would have been a simple footnote in history.

[@TammyM36]

I disagree with the great numbers of human loss

[@DR.VinnieBoomBatz]

@@TammyM36 There is also an issue with question being posed considering that (just as today) her "maiden" voyage was not her first. While it was the first voyage that tickets were sold for, Titanic had previous voyages that were & are known as "Sea Trials". Oddly enough the maiden voyage may very well have been her 5th in total (though it is unlikely they would have all been on that route).

[@Firebrand55]

The correct distress signal then was to fire rockets at exactly one minute intervals; ( directive, Board of Trade ). This excellent prog does not mention this vital fact.

[@benjaminvoissem2327]

Nor does it mention Groves' attempts to listen for distress signals by wireless, which he failed to do correctly because he never turned on the coherer antenna, and which caused him to report to Stone that the situation must not be serious if the other ship wasn't using her radio. Then again, it would make it a little harder for the writers to fancifully paint Groves as a lone hero and everybody else as willful criminals if they _did_ acknowledge those facts.

[@davebillnitzer5824]

@@benjaminvoissem2327 Groves cannot be blamed for not knowing how the wireless radio worked. It wasn't his duty to know how to work it.

[@davebillnitzer5824]

There was nothing in the rules at the time stating "to fire rockets at exactly one minute intervals." The law specified "Rockets fired one a time, at short intervals" was the proper method for signalling distress at night. Stone agreed that he knew that was the law. This docudrama got that point exactly correct.

[@albyjam]

Had the Californian prefixed their ice warning messages to Titanic with “MSG” (Master’s Service Gram) the wireless operator would have been required to give the alert directly to Capt Smith, and maybe this would have prevented their demise. Titanic’s wireless operators should have sensed the urgency of those transmissions; they were too engaged with the Instagram of that time. While the Californian did their best to warn Titanic, their crew failed to act on their observations. Their intuition and training failed them that night, for whatever reason, and they did not light the fire under Capt Lord and get on their heels like the Carpathia did. The difference between these two ships demonstrates which was better disciplined, and that comes down to the Captain.

[@davidknight2104]

Actually blows my mind that they didn't wake up the Marconi operator just to check for any distress messages Without a doubt that was Titanic :(

[@Adventure_Andrew]

They saw the flares. And they chose to do NOTHING. At the very least Lord or any of the other officers could have woken up their wireless operator to at least check to see if anything was wrong near them.

[@jezedwards3858]

I haven’t seen this before but, if the court transcripts are genuine, Captain Lords disingenuous answers in court definitely add weight to the the theory that The Californian was in the vicinity of Titanic with a cargo of warm clothing and blankets awaiting the deviously agreed signal from Captain Smith before approaching.

[@2009SONICFAN]

History isn’t black and white. Painting people as villains and heroes isnt as simple as people think.

[@TheKeyser94]

Really? The U. S. launched two war in the middle east over three thousand people, causing over a million dead, I agree that people are shades of grey, but you can ignore the consequences of your actions, that make you either unfit to command, negligent or worse, uncaring.

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

'The Scrap LogBook' this is the first time I had ever heard of it is there such a thing as a Scrap LogBook kept on ships.

[@ShillyBears1]

Damn they make the captain out to be like an evil overlord

[@tamiwatchesstuff]

This was a wonderful documentary. I know the out of court scenes were the screenwriter's invention, but in all honesty this whole scandal makes for a great full movie as a sort of sequel to the Titanic movie.

[@tomcurda4203]

I would call it a dramatization; not a documentary.

[@DJ-jn3on]

I have to admit that I'm really intrigued by Captain Lord. I've always wondered how far the Californian was from the sinking Titanic. 5 miles or 19 miles? I'm not sure if we'll ever know, or if he had decided to take immediate action, could he and his crew made the difference? Even so,I think perhaps he could have acted better, but on the night, he and many of his officers just didn't quite know what was going on. Please, no hostile or insulting replies. Thank you.

[@benjaminvoissem2327]

That's pretty much right. It's entirely true what Lord said, that rockets sent up at intervals greater than one minute were occasionally used as company signals, even sometimes white ones. The practice was officially a criminal misdemeanor, but it did happen, and Lord had himself witnessed it on a couple of previous occasions. That's why he asked Stone if he was sure the rockets he saw were _all_ white (a fact which is conveniently omitted from this smear story), and why Stone's rather noncommittal reply that he wasn't certain was taken to mean the situation was probably okay, especially in the mental haze of Lord's half-awake state after the eighteen-hour watch he'd just completed. Another very important factor not even _referenced_ here is that while Evans _was_ the only licensed radio operator aboard, an officer had actually attempted to listen for wireless signals during the disaster, to try and see if he could figure out what was going on--but he forgot to turn on the system's coherer antenna, so he ended up hearing nothing, and reporting to Stone that whatever was going on must not be serious, or the other ship would be signalling them by radio. Finally, you have officers on _both_ ships failing to recognise each-other's attempts to communicate with their Morse lamps, _each_ interpreting the other's signals as just flickering of their masthead lights. This kind of situation is precisely why the rule should always be to _assume_ danger whenever there is any uncertainty. That may seem like common sense today, now that stories like those of Stanley Lord and Gayle Yamamoto are told in every occupational safety training course, but in the years just barely following the Industrial Revolution, it evidently wasn't. Just like how it wasn't common sense to sail slower when in the vicinity of unseen ice: back then, mariners were taught to sail _faster_ if they knew there was ice but couldn't see any, so as to be out of the dangerous area sooner. Edwardians just held a lot of completely bass-ackwards ideas about safety, and it took a lot of bloodshed to teach them why they were wrong. The number of things that had to go wrong in _very specific_ and _statistically improbable ways_ for this disaster to have played out the way it did makes it both more tragic for the victims, and in a way, more lucky for those of us that came later, not having to learn all these important and terrible lessons separately.

[@dancingtrout6719]

how far away were they.. well too see rockets arching the ships had to be 5 miles max

[@davebillnitzer5824]

@@benjaminvoissem2327 "the rule should always be to assume danger whenever there is any uncertainty." That **was** the rule in 1912. The international "Rules of the Road" specified that if rockets were seen and the reason for them being fired was unclear, then: "they may be signals of distress and should be responded to accordingly." When Chief Officer Stewart heard about the rockets from Stone when he came on watch, he told the Inquiry that he thought "something had happened." Asked why he thought that, he replied, "Because of the rockets." Asked what it was about the rockets that concerned him, he replied, "Because they were white rockets." He hadn't seen them himself, but upon hearing about them, and that they were white, his first thought was that something had happened.

[@TammyM36]

I heard a titanic survivor interview who was in a lifeboat that clearly could see a ship. (Californian). She said it was clearly visible. Her estimate was 4 to 5 miles away.

[@DJ-jn3on]

Yes, I remember that. I think the lady said she was far-sighted and could see someone on the ship. Unfortunately, we're never really going to know.

[@karenflanagan1961]

This is awesome and very Oscar worthy as a short documentary 🎥 film. The written log is interesting was it ever found?

[@rizon72]

A lot of our current judgement of the captain of the Californian is based upon 20/20 hindsight. We don't look at what was going on, what was normal. A lot of people point to the flares while ignoring the fact flares were not uncommon back then. A stopped ship sending flares.

[@mariamatheson5300]

Agree. Hindsight is 20/20. It could have been dangerous to navigate an ice field at night. Captain Lord was being prudent.

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

​​but the RMS Carpathia sailed full speed without any coward despite of moonless night and icy seas

[@markg999]

​@RMS_CarpathiaOfficial I think where they were located they were not stopped in ice like Californian

[@BGivka]

​@@RMS_LusitaniaOfficialthey received a Marconi message, while the Californian did not. They weren't operating 24 hours at the time.

[@nicholasmorsovillo2752]

Everyone did blame the captain of the Californian Sir Stanley Lord for ignoring the distress rockets from the Titanic as he stated that it wasn't the Titanic but a steamer ship the same size as the Californian and it wasn't till years later that Captain Lord wasn't lying as it is now known it was because of some phenomonon similar to a mirage because of the cold air and the amount of steam coming off of the Titanic.

[@markg999]

It took them 2.5 hours at full speed in the day to reach the titanics location....they might have seen the Titanic but I think they were way further. No way just 4 miles...they would have heard screams and reports from the rockets on such a still night. The lookouts on the Titanic also didnt see any ships at the time they hit the iceberg. They probably were 15 to 20 miles away and on such a calm night maybe they looked closer. Also the younger officers could have done more...could have gotten the wireless operator up and see what is going on or dragged captain out of bed if they really felt a ship was in distress but they didnt.

[@davebillnitzer5824]

It took them 2.5 hours because Capt Lord went the long way around, down the western side of the icefield. He actually reached the Carpathia's same latitude in less then an hour, but by then he was 8 miles away on the wrong side of the icefield, very near the Mt Temple. It took him another 1.5 hours to poke his way back across the icefield to meet up with the Carpathia. There's no way of knowing what might have happened had he gotten out of bed, seen the rockets himself, and headed straight for them.

[@ryanhelton1865]

@@davebillnitzer5824 there is actually many simulations are run. The Californian has been stoped for quite some time her boilers would take a good few hours to heat up and get the steam pressure for a full speed ahead. Above that they would also have to go round ice in the ice field they stoped in again reducing speed. The simulation showed with all these in a effect the Californian would have only arrived 1 hour before Carpathia by then it would have been too late.

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

There is also another ship nearer to the Titanic. The MV Samson.. 7 miles away

[@00lh02]

This is an absolute farce portraying Captain Lord as a manipulative and vindictive villian. Poor man only got a pardon after he was dead.

[@shotty2164]

The man fucked up. Badly. He could have absolutely saved lives had he actually cared more. He may not be evil, but he was careless. He knew there was a ship firing rockets, which was admitted to be unusual for any ship to fire rockets unless for distress, they saw a ship listing and even stated it looked “queer” The man royally fucked up and more than likely cause more lives to be lost than may have been necessary.

[@flaviusconstantius9702]

@@shotty2164 Ships could fire rockets for any number of reasons in 1912 besides distress.

[@cnote2458]

The guybwas a high functional sociopath. Yes I truly believe he was caught holding a bag that wasn't his. But he didn't even acknowledge the thought he could of possibly saved lifes. He changed his story several times. And never once showed any emotion about the people who had died. He saw them as a problem for his reputation nothing more.

[@flaviusconstantius9702]

​@@cnote2458 "Sociopath" Lord risked his life to save a crew member on another ship. As soon as he heard the Titanic was in distress, he twice took his ship through an icefield to render assistance.

[@cnote2458]

@@flaviusconstantius9702 he did but I still believe he done it for reputation reason. Like ibsaid took the long way round which was the right thing to do as your job first is to make sure your crew and passages safety first and upmost . While Sir Arthur maybe reckless what he did but you can tell by his actions his all he wanted to do was save lifes. I wouldn't of thought bad of captain Lord if it was just taking the long way round. It was his actions after like lying and never showed any emotion whatsoever except bitterness about how he was being looked upon. Never once acknowledged the idea maybe they could and should of done something. I don't blame them for the tragedy one bit. Like I said that responsibility is soley of the captain of the titanic. But he was more afraid of looking incompetent then facing truth that could of helped in future events.

[@historyinbitesizedchunks5857]

Even if the Californian had acted, there would've had no way of getting 2,000 plus passengers and crew on board a small tramp steamer. There could have been things done differently sure but Titanic was the ship that sailed full steam into an iceberg. Captain Smith's folly left 1500 people dead. I'm not saying he was inexperienced (He was not) but poor decisions led to this disaster.

[@dovetonsturdee7033]

I wonder? At Dunkirk small RN destroyers carried large numbers of troops. HMS Venomous, for example, managed 4140 in five trips, or just over 800 per trip. Venomous was 319 feet long, with a beam of 29.5 feet. Californian was 447 feet long, with a beam of 53 feet. It is all rather academic anyway as, for whatever reasons, Californian did not respond, but using the argument that she was not big enough does not, in the circumstances of 14/15 April, 1912, seem valid.

[@TammyM36]

Agree the Titanic was ultimately at fault but had the Californian reacted properly even one life saved would have been worth it, eh’?

[@DeanHenderson]

Surely the first question on seeing the rockets should have been "Have we received a distress call on the wireless?" to which the answer would have been "The radio operator is off duty" to which the answer should have been "Well get him up and check the radio". How was this not explored during the enquiry?

[@matthewhiggins8851]

are we all just gonna ignore Charlton Heston at the back of the jury room over Stone's right shoulder?

[@declangill5138]

Timestamp?

[@matthewhiggins8851]

@@declangill5138 53:38

[@declangill5138]

@@matthewhiggins8851 well fuck me. I never noticed that, good eye Matthew

[@ShermanM36]

Although this freighter would have arrived too late because the time to put pressure on the boiler to maneuver the freighter is to go towards the Titanic, it would have arrived only around 2:40 a.m. too late to save the floating passengers. ..

[@DANIELLE_BREANNA_LACY]

2:40AM still would’ve soon enough to make a difference because that was about the time the Titanic had disappeared beneath the surface of the water and there were people floating in the water at that time that hadn’t frozen to death yet. It only took the Californian about a half hour to start moving again after she finally picked up the message about the Titanic sinking. She didn’t arrive at the scene of the Titanic disaster until about 9:00AM, but that’s mainly because she ended up going in the wrong direction for the first 2 to 3 hours since her crew decided to head toward the ship they saw in the distance after picking up the message which was actually the SS Mount Temple.

[@justina249]

I just remembered something. Wasn't there a myth that there was a illegal fishing boat in the dead of night? Who fled on fear of being spotted or caught? Or was it true?

[@adamshaw8214]

Yes. The samson.

[@ajrwilde14]

I think the ship the Californian saw was perhaps the Samson

[@the.sketch.projekt8851]

@@ajrwilde14That’s just a myth, the Samson was in New Foundland at the time, too far from the Titanic or the Californian.

[@dancingtrout6719]

@@the.sketch.projekt8851 ha ha likely story

[@Ken_Frazer-619]

​@@dancingtrout6719likely story my a** the only ship the Californian saw that night was the Titanic and the only ship The Titanic saw that night was the Californian only those two ships saw each other no one else end of story

[@iluvledzepp]

Funny that officer Stone (Owen McDonell) also played a stoker/greaser named Thomas Dillon (A.K.A "Paddy") in "Saving The Titanic" Documentary which can also be found on here!

[@RobCLynch]

Playing devil's advocate here, but if the Californian was 30 miles away from Titanic, do you think she might have been pushing it to travel 30 miles, in time to pick up survivors? Based on the potential speed of the Californian, plus a slower approach speed because of field ice, could it be possible that 30 miles may have been to much of a distance in the 2.5 hours that it took Titanic to sink?

[@OGStinkywizzleteats]

Survivors from the Titanic put the Californian about five miles away.

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

​@@OGStinkywizzleteatsits not the californian they saw, There is also another ship nearer to titanic, The MV Samson, 7 miles away.

[@CKyIe]

Excellent drama. Thanks for uploading.

[@tomcurda4203]

In all fairness to the Californian, the Titanic sent up rockets at 5 minute intervals. At the time, this mean: I'm having navigation trouble; keep clear. Rockets at 1 minute intervals meant distress at the time.

[@JeremiahDoctsonFitness]

I don't know the facts of the regulations at that time, but as a layman I also find the intervals quite long. I would even expect them to be fired at 45 second intervals. But, then again taking into consideration the amount of rockets they'd have and taking into account no one would be looking for periods of time you wouldn't want to shorten your "distress signal" time by firing at really short intervals.... Didn't they only have 8 rockets? Wouldn't want to fire them all off in 9 minutes or something...

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

​@@JeremiahDoctsonFitnessIts about the recognition of rockets color code.. The Californian crew saw white rockets and they thought it was an celebration..

[@JeremiahDoctsonFitness]

@@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial yes understood. It's been about a month since I've watched this however I don't remember that being the focus much at all? Or at the very least, the California was defending itself fiercely and what you're saying was certainly not the center of their defense at all.....of course this is a dramatization but anyway. Interesting, I know different media material portrays a lot of things differently though

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

@@JeremiahDoctsonFitness Okay 🙏

[@insane_rail_lover]

I know this conversation was a while ago and let me know if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the rockets didn’t have anything to do with color. *If they did though, it would have to be red rockets every 1 minute. However, I’m only certain about the timing and not whether the rockets should have been red.

[@nathancox6249]

Another documentary said they turn of radio because of argement with Titanic's operator about him being upset receiving iceberg warnings,when he was trying to receive passager messages

[@CanadianMonarchist]

The Californian had stopped on the edge of an ice field. It would have had to rev up its engines, reversed, and gone full speed. The Carpathia had not stopped for the night and had an unobstructed path to the Titanic.

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

The RMS Carpathia did the impossible that night

[@DrJ-hx7wv]

I love the username. I've been a royalist my whole adult life.

[@CanadianMonarchist]

@@DrJ-hx7wv Oh thank you! I see from your profile pic you also love the Romanovs; they’re my favourite royal family after the British ones.

[@danivarius]

Aah the 8th Doctor popped out of the vortex into real time to oversee the enquiry 🤔

[@laurieanne3763]

In defense of the ships capability's of rescue, the experts today say no?. The California was a cargo ship, had a small crew and was slow going ship. Not sure how long it would of taken, but they were 30 miles away not 19. They also had zero wireless communications aboard like the Carpathia did. They had to guess at what they seen (a flash of a lantern) and one distress flash into the horizon.

[@arturgrodzicki1209]

They had their own wireless, what are you talking about? The wireless operator was asleep and they didn't wake him up. Also it doesn't matter whether they could have saved people or how many they could have saved. It's the fact that they did nothing is the reason why they are criticized. They didn't even try

[@jamestcallahanphotographer]

“Not sure how long it would HAVE taken…”…sheesh! How many people get that wrong! And yes…it DOES matter.

[@wildandbarefoot]

In famous songs and ballads of the time the Californian was heavily criticised

[@darthbedlammasterofdueling4519]

20:16 we here that ship Californian saw was steaming away at the same time titanic sank strange. It was sampson sailing away to avoid detection.

[@walboyfredo6025]

The Samson was no where near the area in question. She was docked in Isafjordur (Iceland) twice that April: on the 6th and the 20th. It was impossible for her to be in that area, she was over 700 miles away.

[@darthbedlammasterofdueling4519]

@@walboyfredo6025 if she was docked on April 6 and the 20. Then where she in between those times, probably near the titanic.

[@walboyfredo6025]

@@darthbedlammasterofdueling4519The "story" that she was near the Titanic sinking was "made up" by 2 sailors who were disgruntled with the ships Captain over the issue of pay. Besides the Samson was a sailing ship ( not a steam ship "steaming away"!) and it was a still night with little wind, so it would be hard for her to get at speed. also this: The ship had no radio, so would not have received any of the Titanic's distress signals. Titanic historians have pointed to numerous inconsistencies of the 2 sailors four published accounts. It was cited the Samson as returning from seal-hunting south of Cape Hatteras (North Carolina), which is more than a thousand miles away from the cold waters of the Arctic circle where seals live. The Titanic historian Leslie Reade obtained microfilmed Lloyd's List records reporting that the Samson docked in Isafjordur twice that April: on the 6th and the 20th, then on 15 May. The April dates would not have allowed anywhere near enough time for the Samson to be in the vicinity of the Titanic on 14 April.[

[@darthbedlammasterofdueling4519]

Well Sampson was a very small ship, smaller then the Californian do she would not of saved everyone on titanic herself, so does it matter.

[@mmutlemohulatsi2158]

What a perfect storm for Titanic!😢

[@jamesgmenzel8646]

The crew of the California didn't understand what they were looking at....a part of being human, we make mistakes. I'm sure they would of helped but that's hindsight

[@philipchiu9835]

The question of what other ship could have fired off 8 is simple case of elimination. If none of the other vessels in the area fired 8 rockets or any rockets that night then it must have been the titantic that they saw. I'm sure the board of inquiry and newspaper press contacted all ships in that area that the titantic sank.

[@redskinsfanqca]

Personally I do think Stanley lord was honest. The Samson was in between the two ships. Also the atmospheric mirage which was unknown at the time.

[@melvingeloneck3344]

I disagree. Whether or not the Samson was even in the vicinity, they saw white rockets and Captain Lord did nothing. I've heard about the atmospheric mirage. Compared to seeing the rockets that adds up to little if anything. They saw white rockets firing at the time the Titanic was in the area and firing them. Everything else pales in comparison. It would have been very simple for Captain Lord to have roused their wireless operator and find out what he could learn, but that wasn't done. The Carpathia steamed over to the Titanic from much further away than the Californian was and managed to rescue survivors. The Californian could have done the same thing and instead did nothing. Defenders of Captain Lord can try all they want to, but they cannot avoid the fact that they saw the rockets and did nothing. Besides all that, they saw a ship that looked "queer in the water" when the Titanic was sinking. They admitted that they saw a ship listing heavily when in fact the Titanic was listing heavily. Add it all up. It WAS the Titanic and they were MUCH closer to the Titanic than they admitted to.

[@arturgrodzicki1209]

@@melvingeloneck3344 Spot on. There's a possibility that even if they had steamed towards the ship throwing up rockets, they wouldn't have been able to save anyone or make much of a dfference. Thing is, they didn't try. Complacency got the better of them

[@ajrwilde14]

the Samson was apparently also letting off flares

[@GroundPanzers]

Despite the rockets, distress calls sent by the titanic, the Californian did not respond as the rockets were coloured white and many ships used red as a distress rocket. The Californian Crew thought it was business rockets or something like that. The final morse message sent by the Californian was recieved by titanic and the wireless operator I believe was John Philips told the Californian to “Shut up,Shut up”. This prompted the Californian wireless operator to retire for the night. The Californian did also try to communicate with titanic with morse with lights however these were either not noticed by Titanics Crew or they have up trying to get the Californians attention

[@hectorbrown656]

Thank you , I thought that this was really very interesting .

[@keithbell2604]

His/their major error was not waking up the radio operator to listen....the distress radio signals were flashing, they were even picked up in Wales.

[@tomcurda4203]

That was a lack of initiative on the part of 2nd Officer Herbert Stone who had the Midnight to 0400 Watch.

[@Sciolist]

Commentators seems to be getting worked up about a movie that takes dramatic licenses.

[@Brot1984]

And which based on an inquiry which did not had all the facts we have now. For example that that position the Titanic assumed to have was wrong which was shown by the now known position of the wreck.

[@hawaiiflowers7066]

In most of these documentary shows there’s never a mention of how many ships Captain Smith had an accident in. Why isn’t Captain Smith’s history of accidents mentioned? Six months earlier he had an accident with the Olympic.

[@TNHFPRODUCTIONS987]

I hoped James Cameron would do a movie about this

[@bw3446]

Seriously? All you'd probably get is a love story with some sprinkled-in courtroom scenes

[@BGivka]

Lord was scapegoated. It is easier than blaming the Titanic captain. Truth is, rockets did not mean anything in those years. In fact, white rockets often meant do not approach.

[@melloone611]

Greed, arrogance & delusions of grandeur, sunk the “Unsinkable” Titanic. The California was the scapegoat.

[@TheKeyser94]

They have the capacity to save a hundred people if they wanted, but they did nothing, sure, they warn the Titanic about the Icebergs, but they did nothing when they called for help.

[@tweetypie1978]

They let the board of safety (or something) lead the enquiry. They were the ones that dictated and signed off the Titanic as having enough lifeboats so they were out to scapegoat the Californian and save their own arses. Even if the Californian had tried to get to the Titanic, they were stuck in an ice field so they would have been putting their own ship in danger. The Californian wireless operator warned the Titanic about the ice and got told to shut up because they were sending passenger messages as they'd just got to the point of recieving the signals from Canada.

[@TheKeyser94]

@@tweetypie1978 Please, the Californian isn't out of blame, they could saved at least a hundred lives more and alert more ships around the Titanic, before letting people freeze to death in five minutes, that the only reason why he could have another job after this is because he was an ass kisser.

[@hankochai]

Apparently it wasn’t unusual for the scrap logbook to be destroyed.

[@unitedwestand5100]

The British; 1. exaggerate their heroics, 2. look for a scapegoat, 3. make excuses. When all that fails? Practice historic Negationism.

[@mariamatheson5300]

They sure found a scapegoat.

[@peterosmanski7466]

Lord was neither a coward or a drunkard. There is no evidence given to suggest that. What is clear from the evidence is that he was a smug autocrat. His crew was so cowed by him that they felt they could take no initiative on their own. Lord new full well by the next morning that his ship had seen the Titanic sending up flares and ultimately sinking. He likely knew a ship was in distress during the night, and he likely knew it was the Titanic because by his own words she was the only passenger liner nearby. But he had stopped his ship in the ice field and gone to bed. Any captain fool enough not to have done the same as he got what he deserved. Besides, it was the unsinkable Titanic, what distress could she possibly be in? But to continue to aver that it was not the Titanic they saw for more than 40 years after the sinking shows some kind of sociopathy in his personality. It got to the point where he'd convinced himself that he didn't see the Titanic because that was the only way he'd be able to live with himself.

[@priestessmikokikyo77]

I just can’t understand this awful tragic event!

[@tulayamalavenapi4028]

I think this is the crux of the issue... "I think I should also tell you that Mr Issacs is the Attorney General representing the Board of Trade. They do not relish taking all of the blame for the insufficient number of life boats on the Titanic, nor for certain other deficiencies. They may try to deflect attention in another direction." @6:11+ So... How about a car manufacturer who puts out a car with faulty brakes, or other deficiencies?

[@moedem]

“Did it ever occur to you?” He must of thought the rockets were a celebration of some thought,maybe his brain thought it was 12:00 am on the 31st of December

[@the.sketch.projekt8851]

Even if the Californian did get the SOS transmission, it’s not like they could’ve done much. The Californian is a small ship that can’t sail fast and was also not fired up at the time. It would’ve taken a long time to fire up the engines and actually steam off towards the Titanic. By the time it would’ve reached the ship, it still would’ve been too late. It may have been close but that doesn’t mean it would’ve gotten there in time. They also would’ve had a hard time actually finding the survivors because the Titanic’s exact position wasn’t known as Jack Phillips and Harold Bride put in the surrounding area not the exact position. At least I believe that’s what happened. It also applies to picking up the survivors, if they had found Titanic right after the final plunge, is it really possible to fit all those people on the ship? They could've saved some, but I don't believe with the size of the Californian, that they would've saved most or ALL of Titanic's survivors. All I will say is that people still continue to find villains in the story of the Titanic whether it be the Californian, the White Star Line, Murdoch (possibly) but mainly Lightoller, or Bruce Ismay. There are no villains in the Titanic story, just bad luck and human error. There were no plots to ignore the ship, sink it for insurance or what have you.

[@the.sketch.projekt8851]

@Surfcaster82 Yes but that’s if the ship was already steamed up which it was not. It would’ve taken up more time to steam up the actual ship and then set sail towards the Titanic which would’ve taken up more time as the Californian isn’t a fast vessel.

[@the.sketch.projekt8851]

@Surfcaster82 It’s fine, also I’m not exactly sure how long it takes a steam engine to actually steam up. It depends mostly on weather, size of the actual engine and boiler, and how fast you need to get it started. Steam locomotives usually take a few hours to start up so I would imagine a ship takes longer.

[@nathangallegos9304]

The Californian and her CPT would have made a effort and attempt to save Titanic’s Passengers ….but they didn’t therefore they are the bad guys of this story

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

​@Jigmaster007there is also another ship nearer to the titanic that night, The MV Samson, 7 miles away

[@RMS_LusitaniaOfficial]

​@@the.sketch.projekt8851The Bystander Effect

[@elbertbass9259]

I believe the Titanic telling them to "SHUT UP" before they hit the iceberg pissed the Californian off and ignored the distress signals from pure pettiness.

[@alexburt6995]

The scrap logbook has gone missing overboard sir!

[@dancingtrout6719]

it went into the ships Boiler*

[@alanwilson6367]

One of the great Mcgan brothers from Liverpool England as the prosecutor. God bless them all.😊😊

[@canadajane7993]

The carpathia an old vessel saved a couple hundred and they were HOURS away the California could and should have helped

[@dexterm1285]

They saw the Titanic...rockets are one thing but a ship listing is another. Likely with boilers having to be lit they wouldnt have gotten in time to save anyone. Captain easily could have summoned the wireless operator to check on Titanic. Capt Lord swears it wasn't the Titanic...wonder if when he saw the ship it was facing him...if so it wouldn't look like a big ship head on.

[@karenflanagan1961]

Well done 👏 Bravo 👏. God bless the victims of the Titanic wreck 🙏 be at peace.

[@Soupdragon1964]

Whatever Stanley Lord's failings were (if indeed there were any), we should remember that the position Titanic gave was not where she actually was. When Ballard discovered her, her true position makes Lord's account far more likely. Ultimately I don't believe anyone or anything was truly to blame - it was an accident. We judge the sinking using modern eyes at our peril. It was understandable that people wanted someone to whom they could point the finger, but I believe it was that rare occurrence; a true accident..... The board of Trade regs, Bruce Ismay, Capt Smith, Stanley Lord have all been vilified. But proper non-dramatic research exonerates all from any real blame.

[@LethalSaliva]

Agreed. Many factors played into causing this disaster to occur. All in all, as horrible as it may be, I do believe it was part of God's plan. I'm sure others would disagree with me, but that is how I see it.

[@ajrwilde14]

no it wasn't an accident, it was sunk on purpose, both Smith and Lord were in on it I reckon

[@KWCline91]

@@ajrwilde14 sunk on purpose? So those two planted an iceberg there? C’mon now!

[@hhhggbg3000]

@KWCline91 There’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory that it was swapped with the Olympic and sunk for some sort of insurance fraud scheme.

[@scabbycatcat4202]

@@KWCline91 Ha , the absolute TOSH some people are willing to believe !!

[@masterchief1992HHQ]

If there is ever another movie about the Titanic they should make it something like this, a serious courtroom drama with testimonies from the Californian, Carpathia and Titanic, I think it could make a good change up for a Titanic film

[@mariyabryant1017]

Yes that’s weird how the log book just so happens to disappear…

[@shotty2164]

Yeah. I work offshore. We keep two logs. They don’t just disappear.

[@dancingtrout6719]

if the book was correct with no wrong doing you would be able too see it yourself today*******

[@heatherlynsey3092]

Yeah that doesn’t just vanish into thin air. They probably threw it into the Atlantic or burned it.

[@dancingtrout6719]

that scrap log here goes = captain lord too 1st mate :: take the scrap log down too the Boiler furnace and Burn it

[@cnote2458]

Even though I think The crew of The S.S Californian were stupid to do absolutely nothing. In there defence back in there time the use of burning or destroying scrap log book pages were a common practice. Wasn't allowed if I remember but believed nearly every crew did it.

[@eslm-studios2996]

Great men were sailing in those ships that night. The only villains that were there that night were the ones we used as a scapegoat. We can blame the Californian crew as much as we like, but in the end, what happened had happened and the real cause of the disaster was nothing more than human error.

[@Dominian1]

Doesn't matter if it's the Titanic or a nut-shell. You see distress signals go up in the middle of an ice field, you move. These people didn't want to take the risk and spun the world some yarn.

[@ValenteOchoaJr]

The ship went down people, get over it!

[@canadajane7993]

Mr groves at least tried to come clean. As the 3rd officer he couldn't do much but he tried

[@nicidell]

It's so sad. I dont think the Californian would of arrived before 2 am,since the engines were off and they had stopped, but if they were even able to pull one person out of the water, it would of ment the whole world to one family.

[@albertstadler2639]

A silly question: What is the "scrap logbook" as mentioned in Minute 9:40? Thanks! :)

[@LovesTheGash]

Is the book for taking notes on the fly, to be entered into the log book later.

[@dancingtrout6719]

the ship was real close only 3 - 4 miles away....

[@Eltanin25]

In that way it was not Californian.