THE TOMCAT IS HERE! Is it Going to Break the Game? | F-14A in War Thunder - My Thoughts

[@hyperdimensionbliss]

My friend who specialises in DCS F-14 skins has been having a field day pointing out the finer details Gaijin missed on their model and skin.

[@windex7934]

Man needs a life 😭

[@wackydinky5588]

@@windex7934 considering gaijin charges as much for their hastily slapped together premium vehicles with reused FM's as DCS does for study level modules, i cant blame him for pointing them out

[@julimatrix7978]

@@wackydinky5588 Well you dont need to buy premium stuff so for a free game wt is amazing in details

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@wackydinky5588 bro it’s the Dev server lol

[@wackydinky5588]

@@hemendraravi4787 details missing at the model-level won't be changed for the live server the mig 21bis STILL doesn't have a moving nosecone LOL

[@legendbee9579]

The worst part of the f-14 introduction is the base bombing interception capability with the aim-54 missiles. The stock grind on other jets will be pain!

[@Blueesteel_]

Not if they fly low and fast as they should … tactics is everything

[@norskefosvaret2007]

@@Blueesteel_ huh thats a new way to say cope

[@StoneCoolds]

I bet you its going to be premium, so you can just buy the f14

[@larshenrik8900]

@@StoneCoolds the F-14 is already confirmed to be a tech tree plane 🙄

[@StoneCoolds]

@@larshenrik8900 you still can buy it with premium exp 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@smudger746]

I started war thunder initially in 2013(?) and they hadn’t even added jet aircraft. In fact tanks still had “coming soon” written on them

[@huggleskuishy]

Same

[@missingthe80s58]

Same

[@grahaldmills5930]

Yep, was there too

[@tacoboy2218]

Same

[@gergoturi7559]

Everyone has this misconception - even koala - that the tornado adv is a good adversary to the f-14. Let me spell it out. NO, IT IS NOT! It's basically an improved jaguar, designed to fly fast and low. It doesn't have the agility to dogfight properly, has a terrible climb rate (74 m/s) and the only reason it was employed in the interception role has nothing to do with it's agility. It had bvr capability and that's it. Even the f4-f ice could beat it, from this you can deduce how terrible it was in the fighter role.

[@liiithp]

Eh, still fun Still, it will be FAST, and I’m not entirely sure where you have got that climb rate from, it makes sense for an interceptor to have a pretty high one + it was better than the phantoms no matter how you put it, and the article you pulled the “worse than an f4 ICE” was under the assumption that the tornado didn’t have aim-120s, which ,irl, both could carry. Their radars were similar in capability in BVR, but in a WVR situation, the tornado adv’s variable geometry wings would give it a massive advantage Though tbh, the f-14 probably would win against the tornado in a WVR dogfight, BVR, the f-14 has a better radar, but the AIM-120 from the tornado adv is more capable against fighters than the Phoenix So, it’s pretty even

[@theScottishKoala]

It would match the F-14A given missiles. Yes it was inferior by a lot for the late 80’s, but we’re stacking it up against a 1974 aircraft here, and giving it superior IR missiles to make up the difference in performance and BVR capability. You could also just go ahead and throw ASRAAMs on it, that way even if the F-14A got AIM9L’s the Tornado F.3 would STILL match up to it quite well Tornado’s an ass dogfighter compared to Tomcats and Fulcrums, but it’s a damn sight better than a Phantom FGR!

[@KjllShot]

I like tomcat 😊👍

[@larryking7]

It never looked like a dog fighter to me. I totally agree.

[@MaticTheProto]

And yet the turds at gaijin didn’t add the tornado first

[@JaesWasTaken]

They're calling it F-14A "Early" so they can make us grind out for an F-14A "Late" that'll have the improved weapons and avionics (speculation). Personally, I don't mind this as it gives Gaijin the ability to flexibly add new jets without completely breaking the game like when they introduced the F-4E or MiG-21BiS without competent competitors.

[@theScottishKoala]

Zero reason to have two F-14A’s - Gaijin have always mucked around with different weapons systems (F-4E we have is from 1980, yet lacks AIM-7F, meanwhile G-Lynx gets Hellfires and Stingers it never carried). The only thing specifying it as an early model does is remove the RWR screen from the pilots seat, meaning you have to use the HSD (the lower screen behind the joystick) to see the RWR in the cockpit. We’ll get an F-14B and F-14D, as well as two Hornets, all in that line. A second F-14A does nothing for us. That kinda thing makes sense in a MINOR nation (like China getting two Type 99’s for example), but not for the US

[@JaesWasTaken]

There absolutely is a reason: Making the players grind another high RP cost aircraft. They already did that with the A-10A, they just made one of them Premium. You're assuming Gaijin wouldn't do that when they have every reason to do it. Who wouldn't grind out an F-14A "Late" if F-14B is still a year or two down the road? I have no doubt that this will be Gaijin's plan going forward: Repackaging aircraft variants to continue grind potential. That's really all Gaijin can monetize at this point on the upper end, especially for players that have already completed tech trees.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@JaesWasTaken They can still add another Phantom in between the F-4J and F-14A, as well as two more Tomcats AND two Hornets… I really don’t think they’ll add another tech tree F-14A. They’ll add a premium one eventually for sure, but probably an IRIAF model. If Gaijin were all about “just throw whatever into the trees to make them grind through it”, then we’d have seen an F-4D between the C and E, and another tech tree MiG-21, an F-8J, Lightning F.3, stuff like that. With your example of the A-10, the fact that it IS a premium completely negates that argument - it ISNT another grind in players’ way, it’s just a way of selling a premium AND adding a tech tree aircraft - having their cake and eating it too, so to speak. With the F-14A, I think it’s legitimately just being done to reference the fact that it IS specifically the first batch, lacking the TCS or IRST, and having no RWR screen in the cockpit (as well as having the wing gloves). By that definition though, the F11F and J35D should both be “Late”

[@The_Radio_Check]

They’ll also 100% be releasing Iran’s F-14 And give it to Russia as a premium Because that sounds so much like a gaijin move

[@StoneCoolds]

Is gaijin way to increase grind and make you buy premium ^.^

[@RazgrizRaptor]

for a second, I thought I was hearing things. then I realized you've got Ace Combat music in the background of the video, so for someone like me, it makes it even better of a watch. thanks for the history and thoughts on this. I'm just waiting to grab myself the legendary aircraft hoping we'll get newer versions down the road too (F-14Bs, Cs, and Ds,) along with the F-15 and 16 as well. but it is a little distracting when I'm like "I know that song! it's Charged Assault... and that one too, Daredevil!" also, thanks for explaining that radar thing. I didn't know anything about the TWS features.

[@theScottishKoala]

We’ll definitely go more in depth into it once everything is finalised with the vehicle actually in the live game

[@The1trueJester]

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that was hearing Ace combat ost. Here's hoping a Ghost of Razgriz skin will be avaliable. After all my squadron is WarDog🤣

[@Stuka838]

Important qeustion to anyone seeing this!!! What happens if I miss a single challenge? Will I still get the jet?

[@Android_ELITE]

Spent plenty of hours playing it with some buddies on dev 1, 2, and 3, it turns harder (having WAY more lift) than every other top tier (definitely the MLD, I love that thing but god damn it feels inadequate against the f14), the only competitive matchup being when I flew my viggen against it in a series of 1v1s; you can win that one with some know-how and at least 1 fuckup from the tomcat player. It's also deceptively fast; everybody goes right for "the A has the shit engine", which it does, but even so it is still one of the fastest planes in the game, being outrun by the phantom in the low end and the mig23 in the high end of the speed range. It's got the best gun in the game (albeit with a little less ammo than you might be used to), arguably the 2nd best IR missile in the game, and 2 of the best radar missiles in the game. The phoenixes are easy to dodge but great for ambushing unsuspecting targets at long range (think R-24T) and we all know how good the late sparrows are. It is, definitively, the best top tier in the game overall and should probably go to 11.7 immediately and be assessed from there. However, it definitely doesn't break the game any more than anything we've already seen from other releases in the past. That's just my 2 cents before seeing the video, posting now so maybe somebody can see and get my perspective out there. This thing is gonna be fun as hell.

[@Badger_325]

This is gonna be extremely helpful to me because I'm for sure gonna be mailing the F-14 for a LONG time

[@hemendraravi4787]

How do u have a chance with the viggen when u don’t have a chance with the mld? I think ur flying the mld wrong or those who u fought with viggen are bad. R24t is the best ir missile and r24r is the bvr missile (it is the aspide but j8 n asa radar is not good and for some reason it only turns after 1 sec)

[@zahnatom]

"the only competitive" and "viggen" dont fit in the same sentence

[@slowsubs9355]

@@hemendraravi4787 AIM-9L is definitely better than the R24T idk what your smoking

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@slowsubs9355 yea say that when I fire one 10km above u , u won’t even see it coming.

[@DannyHeywood]

If you have seen the new =TOPGUN= then I hope one of the Modifications is an Anti-Theft Alarm.

[@humaunleashed5219]

Lmao

[@Ethan.YT.]

Hey, Get out of jet! No. Mine.

[@cheeki3998]

i just cant wait for AIM-9X that will be so much fun. so good for the game. very balanced. counterable even, i think.

[@Suo_kongque]

Yeah, and for the meteor missile for Europeans, and the Germans to get the IRIS-T

[@Suo_kongque]

Although the IRIS-T can counter missiles…

[@hemendraravi4787]

R74 would be balanced lol

[@hemendraravi4787]

But seriously can’t wait for the amount of leaked classified documents from f22s-su57s lol

[@jaxastro3072]

HOBS missiles will completely change dogfights. Jets like the tomcat and mld that rely on the 2 circle to outrate opponents will get smoked by every 1 circle fighter with HOBS missiles due to the separation caused by the 2 circle fight. I think the HOBS missiles would be sweet, but I wouldn't want to see them fighting anything that cannot carry them

[@Digitalis-z5o]

I think the Tornado F3 will end up like the Lighting F6. Added way to late to be effective and just getting stomped by aircraft that are way better than it.

[@cristobalalvarez5491]

The lightning f6 should be 10.0

[@hubbel6831]

@@cristobalalvarez5491 i hate mach2 jets below 10.0

[@bentaylor1930]

There won't be any jets way better than it before it gets added

[@grikkajunior]

@@hubbel6831 same, sucks in your f2 saber that can’t go Mach and has a stupid repair cost

[@hubbel6831]

@@grikkajunior dont forget the wing overload above 950kph in your 9.7 cl13

[@michal16a]

its early to add more variants to force u to research new plane to get one new weapon like in cause Crusader or A-7

[@theScottishKoala]

Crusader and A-7 have multiple DIFFERENT variants with unique capabilities. The F-8E has better engines and stronger wings, while when it comes to the Corsairs, the A-7D is the Air Force version with Mavericks, while the A-7E is the Navy variant with the Walleyes and a thermal tgp. The F-14 can have that too - F-14A, F-14B, F-14D. Zero need to have two F-14A’s. That might be a good idea for a MINOR nation to give them more stuff (like Japan with an RF-4EJ coming, or China with multiple early A-5’s just to give them more uniquely Chinese stuff), but the US Navy line can also get two Hornets as well. No need to puff out the tech trees with arbitrary variants that make no difference

[@joshuamueller3206]

@@theScottishKoala How many would be needed to make the tech tree decent? Maybe we might see something like: 2022: F-14A (early) 2023: F-14B, F/A-18A, F/A-18C, F-14A (late) [would be maybe 40% of the planes USA will receive that year] 2024: F-14D 2025: F/A-18E 2026: F-35B, F-35C With a couple of those being premiums.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@joshuamueller3206 never gonna see fifth gen aircraft. IMO we’ll get - F-14A (Early) -> F-14B -> F/A-18C -> F-14D F/A-18A might come in between the A and B model Tomcats, or just be skipped over

[@joshuamueller3206]

@@theScottishKoala I would not say never, but the high potential for leaks may lead Gaijin's lawyers to discourage the devs from adding them. IDK if the game will even last till 2026.

[@F-18Super]

“All callsigns check in”

[@gansior4744]

I Wonder how Italy should fight it with F-104's

[@KICKASSoBASSIST]

Just sit there and let it kill you lol

[@ODST_Parker]

That's the neat part... we don't. We take off, we fly for a bit, and then we die. That's the 11.3 F-104 play style, and I have to say, it's not very fun.

[@normantruong3746]

Its sad that most F-104 are at 10.7 they have no chance

[@gansior4744]

@@ODST_Parker we need to wait for Tornado than. And since ASA was added recently, we will wait 6 months

[@bigmemer4398]

@@gansior4744 tornado will not be that good , F-16 will be the only redeeming moment of the italian air tt

[@rankavik2651]

We are ready, we just need MAPS FOR IT, big maps

[@jonathanoriley8260]

Vietnam and the larger version of Spain work well, but we definitely need more like them. The Battle of Britain map (the one that covers the whole English Channel) needs to be brought back into rotation for Top Tier jets.

[@theScottishKoala]

I think 128km maps would be okay if they gave us an air spawn on them - by the time you takeoff, gain speed, climb, and then start locking targets up, you’re halfway across the map! Give us a 10,000ft air spawn at 900kph and we’ll be good - gets us into battle quicker too, so the crowd who prefer short games on small maps won’t even be as upset by the big ones. Win win! I’d be up for seeing some 256km maps, but most players wouldn’t, and that’s fair enough - some people only have an hour a day to play… bit shit if they can only fit one game in!

[@Red_Lion2000]

"ooh that sparrow is scary" I've probably died to sparrows once in the last 100 games, they suck and you know it.

[@theScottishKoala]

You must be using them incorrectly - Sparrows are how I get the vast majority of kills in Phantoms and the Viggen, especially models with good radars

[@Red_Lion2000]

@@theScottishKoala How does me not dying to them mean I am using them incorrectly? That doesent make any sense. Its easy AF, just turn a few degrees and pop chaff or turn 90 degrees the second you get radar locked. Those few afk climbers and grass cutter kills dont really count for much as any missile could kill them.

[@spartanx9293]

They are just fine just don't use them on the deck if

[@Red_Lion2000]

@@spartanx9293 They are fine against morons who have no idea what they are doing, maybe. They have never been a danger to me, in my experience.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@Red_Lion2000 that’s probably because it’s the morons firing them at you

[@-lig3-852]

2:33 Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the Saab 37 classed as a 4th generation jet fighter?

[@theScottishKoala]

Only the late variants from the 90’s (JA37D) The Viggen itself is classified as a third gen fighter

[@-lig3-852]

@@theScottishKoala Sorry for questioning you, I knew something felt wrong about a 4th gen Viggen

[@Jadefox32]

I think the mig 29 will very likely drop in the fall patch before we get the F-14B and a few others for the 10th anniversary (wow)

[@vishawnjarvis6127]

Nah the Su 27 Flanker will come first as it was made to counter the F14 , The Mig 29 Fulcrom on the other hand was made to counter the F16

[@uninvestigated]

F15 should come out before a b variety as well as the f16. The f14 came out in 1970 as well yet we are fighting Russian planes from the 80s already. Shit the f18 should come out before the mig29

[@uninvestigated]

@@vishawnjarvis6127 su27 was 14 years late my guy.

[@MovinBandz]

The “canards” on the f-14a actually only came out at speeds past Mach 1.4 to help with lift

[@FazekasPK]

As a subpar pilot in WT, i know for certain, i won't be playing any top tier air RB in this year.

[@extreme7865]

ahhh... italy now can fight F-14s with F-104... NICE

[@mameyn9282]

The MiG-29A would be a fine counter, the one circle performance is better but it's a worse rate fighter, and it's BVR capability is worse because it has no fox-3 missiles, the only thing going for it is the R-27ET but we already have other fox-2 longs that are fairly balanced

[@theScottishKoala]

Thrust to weight ratio and handling would make it just a bit too good to counter the F-14A

[@ferrarisuper]

It depends. With the R73s the MiG29A would just kill the F14A in one turn after the merge, with the R60Ms it would still have an overwhelming advantage in a dogfight but the F14A can, as you said, somewhat make up for it in BVR

[@theScottishKoala]

@@ferrarisuper Forgetting R-27's?

[@mameyn9282]

@@theScottishKoala the R-27R is not that much better than the R-24R, range is about the same

[@theScottishKoala]

@@mameyn9282 R-27R is going to be slightly better than AIM-7F in general. About the same range as an R-24R, but much better tracking and better average manoeuvrability (less speed loss in turns and higher track rate, along with higher overload). Unlike most Sparrows it would also be able to track in a tail chase, though that's something the Skyflash should also be able to do and can't in game right now

[@PaulieLDP]

Gaijin is no stranger to hobbling an aircraft with unfair nerfs to balance them rather than simply sorting out their BRs. For reference, see F8F overheating, Fw 190 speed compression, A7M speed compression, Boomerang flight model and overheating, Sea Fury flight model, etc. etc. Don't be surprised if they turn the F-14 in to a flying brick to help balance it.

[@GrundleLongDong]

Nah they didn’t do that with the mld, they’re not doing it with the f14

[@mameyn9282]

The cockpit modeling is definitely inaccurate if it's supposed to be a first batch F-14, the VFD in the center panel did not come until later, an analog artificial horizon was there first

[@theScottishKoala]

Not the very first batch, from 71-73, but one of the original production series (block 65-85 I think). Thing is though it also has ALR-45, so it’s definitely a later modification OF one of those original ones. Seems accurate enough, but as far as I was aware, any F-14A with ALR-45/50 would also have the TCS under the nose

[@WG1417Gaming]

I think the "early" tag is more to give them an excuse to have two F14A with slightly different weapon systems and models

[@theScottishKoala]

We’d add the F-14B for that - AIM-9L’s and AIM-7M’s, AIM-54C’s etcetera. If we’re going to get a second F-14A my bets are it’ll be an IRIAF model that can be sold as a premium or made an event vehicle with Hawk missiles I’m fairly sure the “early” tag is just been done to denote the fact that this IS one of the first batch of Tomcats, with an older cockpit, no TCS or IRST, and especially the wing gloves

[@christophergould6762]

I'd love for them to actually make bombers and close air support more relevant again in the air battles instead of it being fighter dominant but I don't think that will happen

[@kousand9917]

All they need to do for bombers is make them either spawn higher like at 4.7 and above they spawn at 6-7km instead of 3-4 or make the spawns spread out over the map and not in 1 area so its nearly impossible to bomber hunt, and for ground attack idk just use a fast plane and leave the crap A-10 behind.

[@vertrev]

I'm gonna be rocking this jet with keyboard and mouse in sim battles once it hits live

[@Echo_4609]

idk.. Victory is Ours is a pretty damn good trailer

[@lovethegame0204]

This is the 4th or 5th review/intro vid. to the Tomcat I've seen already, and the beginning is just great, we have the need, the need for speed.

[@noblesicks]

i remember back in 2013 it was just piston driven aircraft of WWII and that was it

[@theScottishKoala]

I remember the Sabre and MiG-15 being in the game when I joined, definitely no MiG-17 or Hunter though

[@spartanx9293]

Glad to See you're making videos again you are unironically one of my favorite war thunder KZbinrs the other being about thunder

[@theScottishKoala]

About Thunder's pretty good. I also definitely recommend Tankenstein and Tims Variety

[@spartanx9293]

@@theScottishKoala they're also on my list Tim's variety does a good job of summarizing the history behind the vehicle added

[@spartanx9293]

@@theScottishKoala I also really need to stop using Google voice type

[@Jinksy5]

Hey koala do you think that they will add in carriers and carrier landing and take off back into air battles since they are adding this amazing naval aircraft?

[@theScottishKoala]

Nah. I absolutely wish they would, the super carriers are SEVERELY underused… but I don’t think Gaijin cares enough about that to actually change air maps to use them

[@codystell]

Happy belated birthday thanks for the information

[@mateuszgajewski7570]

Hey koala, I like the music used, it's AC7, right? Don't you think the PANAVIA TORNADO should have been added this update?

[@gansior4744]

I think. Italy and Britain needs a counter for F-14. They are closest to the Tomcat, while still not being vastly overpowered

[@Yamaha_Kid]

For the uk that the last fighter before the Typhoon And yes they should of been added while they still good

[@likeyacutg4720]

Your discord link doesn't load my guy been trying to join it for a few months and it doesn't load.

[@HappyMexicano]

Love the use of the Ace Combat soundtrack for the vid. The OST slaps hard.

[@steakinbacon8593]

Man it’s a good thing i mained the naval branch

[@dondelchulia3189]

This got announced and I’ve already grinded the entire navy tree from rank 3 to be ready to receive it

[@GuardianOne24]

Man, just saying, love that your using Ace Combat OSTs. Just fits so well.

[@Eisenhower135]

I see your a man of culture! Love the music from Ace Combat 7!!!

[@joshuamueller3206]

Welcome to the 25 club! I beat you by a few months.

[@theteadrinkingowl.2295]

Mr. Koala, regarding your statement at 19:48 ; The Pheonix missiles would be good to force enemies to defend allowing you to push and hold Lock for Fox-1's against "active" oppenents, however this is War Thunder where the main "tactic" is point at red marker and click fire all weapons. (We may get new round records, current team wipe is 1:56). In sim, I fear that this may be the death of EC 7 and (please god no) the return of EC 6 being 8.0+. Anyway, nice to hear from you again, enjoy your weekend. Nice to hear I'm not the only one who knows about the F.6.

[@dr.tankenstien]

They, the Developers, are giving Air-Ground Ordinance to the 1974 "A" version when they didn't get Air-Ground Ordinance until the "D" model. Yuppers, need to delete those rockets, bombs and such... It's also missing it's "mandatory" drop tanks under each engine nacelle.

[@southernbear736]

The drop tanks didn’t enter service until later in the F-14A’s service. The plane got dumb ordinance racks around the same time but simply due to the nature of warfare at the time, it was never fitted with them on deck. Presumably we have a late 1970s F-14A but gaijin didn’t want to model the IRST/TCS so they named it ‘Early’

[@liiithp]

Some of the A and B versions got upgraded into bombcats, but not the early A models, which is what we have rn

[@t65bx25]

@@southernbear736 Ours has glove vanes, it’s definitely darn close to as early as it gets.

[@theScottishKoala]

@@t65bx25 it also has ALR-45 RWR, while the initial variants had the older APR-25 system. All Tomcats were capable of carrying rockets and bombs, just not precision bombing with GBU’s and TGP’s until the “bombcat” upgrade in ‘96

[@skoda4912]

Hey Koala, before this update hits, do you have either a video of yours or someone else where they explain how to use radar missiles in depth? I am really struggling to figure out how to get radar locks outside of about 3km.

[@undead475]

“Unparalleled during its time” I would agree that no foreign aircraft could face the f 14, but the F15 was the better fighter. The F15 never got shot down. There were some incidents of f 14s being shot down. The f14 was great, but it will always be 2nd best.

[@Lightning_aus]

The F15 is a younger aircraft, so yes he is correct saying it was unparralleled during its time

[@mk6315]

Such is life in the Zone. THE *DANGER ZONE*

[@thelordofcringe]

Nah, the navy only lost one f-14 and it was when they flew a flight over an operational Iraqi air base that launched sa2's at them. F-15 was always paired with f-111's doing the wild weasel role for that, navy just had to do without.

[@natsirt9809]

Was there a mention of the F-15? I think it’s going to be the most pure counter to the mig 29s which will balance the whole gen 4 matchmaking for a long time.

[@theScottishKoala]

F-15 is more the Su-27 equivalent; the larger, more advanced counterparts to the F-16 and MiG-29 respectively

[@hack-cq6hr]

Whats the chiti system for the f14

[@PaulieLDP]

LOL, Ace Combat Daredevil in the background. Great song btw.

[@ilejovcevski79]

Finally a well informed video on this addition and not just hearsay and half truths! EDIT: Maybe by early, they mean the late will have TCS, more CM dispensers and a dedicated RWR display? Just like in DCS?

[@PerciusLive]

The EJ Kai does have TWS? I thought the forums already found information that the radar set installed on the Kai wasn't the AN/APG-66 (V2), but rather the AN/APG-66J which doesn't have TWS functionality. Or was this an upgrade toot he software of the radar that enabled the EJ Kai to have TWS?

[@theScottishKoala]

APG-66J should be APG-66 V3, which had TWS. I’m not sure if it’s the wrong variant right now in game, or if the initial EJ Kai’s and later ones had two different radars, but that’s what it should be realistically

[@bombomos]

Considering the Phoenix kills before you can see the enemy.... Yeah it's done

[@LifeOfExo]

I wonder if a mig 25 or 29 would be added to balance the F14..

[@theScottishKoala]

MiG-25 would be completely destroyed by the F-14, wouldn’t even out compete the Phantoms. MiG-29 on the other hand would be TOO good

[@LifeOfExo]

@@theScottishKoala oh.. right.. then what is a good Soviet counter for the F14 ?

[@theScottishKoala]

@@LifeOfExo there kinda isn’t one. Su-33 is honestly the closest you get to a Soviet F-14 - a big, advanced, twin-engine naval fighter… but it’s closer to the F-14D, with precision bombing capability, late weapons like R-73E and R-27ER, a very good radar, high thrust to weight, etc. There really is nothing else like the F-14A in the world, except the Tornado F.3. We categorise the Rafale, Super Hornet or Su-35 as “generation 4+”… you could kinda classify the F-14A and Tornado as “generation 4-“ in that regard

[@LifeOfExo]

@@theScottishKoala ah i see koala.. well then i hope the MLDs can counter it to some extent.. Because seeing it in gameplay.. is almost scary It dominated the vertical and the missiles are downright scary at long ranges if not seen coming.. Regardless.. great video mate !!

[@bobbyhahsner1272]

2:39 we already don’t expect much content from you

[@Lolski_924]

Suprised this thing got added before the f-111

[@theScottishKoala]

F-111 is a bomber, it wouldn’t really work that well in game right now (would be amazing for objectives on the EC maps and in sim though)

[@Lolski_924]

@@theScottishKoala Fair, a sweep wing supersonic bomber isnt ready for war thunder at the moment xd

[@jasoncloherty]

Mirage F1C is gonna be even more painful after this patch :(

[@mtxdp4392]

im thinking that a lot of cl13 AIs will be catching aim54s instead of actual players. every match the radar screen is almost useless because theres a cloud of AIs that you cant differentiate from actual enemy players

[@piscessoedroen]

They're never a problem to me. But that's probably because i always know where they're coming from and know how the ai fly. They also never leave the opposing force battle line

[@mtxdp4392]

@@piscessoedroen ive actually been rammed by one while i was focused lining up a shot so i have a grudge against the ai

[@XxWolfman5584xX]

I cant wait to unlock this thing just started playing warthunder already almost to tier 4 U.S planes

[@depilot2035]

They should put the iranian F14 as a premium to counter it

[@Nurgle40k]

What day does the update come out

[@TheSilverwolf1001]

Man I’m ngl I can’t wait for when 5th gen come out like the F-22 and F-35! Imagine the stealth breaking gameplay. Also imagine the 4th gen Fighter bomber F-117 night hawk and the bomber B-2 spirit

[@theScottishKoala]

F-117 is a bomber, through and through, it has zero air to air weapons (no gun, no missiles, just two guided bombs). As such, it doesn’t really fit into any “generation” as those only apply to fighters. Personally I reckon it could be added to the game just fine around the 10.3 br range. It’d be decent given the stealth, but it would basically be a slower Jaguar with no defensive capability - couple of very precise bomb drops and you’re back to base. As far as fifth gen goes, I doubt we’ll ever see it in game. Based on everything I’ve heard, Gaijin don’t even want to go into 4.5th gen, instead finishing off with the F-15C, Su-27, Mirage 2000C etcetera, all base gen 4’s

[@TheSilverwolf1001]

@@theScottishKoala ah sadge, it would be really cool if they did do that though with an addition to new maps.

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

19:20 nice ace combat music lol

[@CircuitCatWT]

It's sad that the J35D has to deal with f-14's F for the people grinding for viggen

[@JRMshadow260a]

I think they have been working on a Mig 29 for a while... I wish they would fix the navy bombers and add like the A-6 series to the mix...They where around the F-4's and F-14's and where decom'd only 9 yrs (I think) before the F-14's and they could even defend against fighters as well as shoot them down with the A-6E SWIP tword the end of there life with 2 side winders... But I don't see them ever in game or them fixing the F3d's since they started with sparrow's off the shelf and where then used for sidewinder testing... Maybe I have that backward but I know they had one in the beginning and where used for the other when they where moved to second rate..

[@theScottishKoala]

F3D-2M carried Sparrows, that was the only model that did. As for the A-6, they all carried Sidewinders, just that the SWIP carried things like HARMs

[@wolfcraft484]

would a very early f16 variant break the game say a block 1 or block 5

[@x_Degurechaff_x]

Considering we're getting the f14. No it wouldn't.

[@doubledekercouch]

I’ll just say that the F-14 was a dedicated interceptor (i think the D was multirole but i’m unsure) whereas the F-4 was multirole

[@yrkjrk2972]

The Tomcat was never designed solely at an interceptor. She was the fleet defence fighter capable of taking out enemy threats to the carrier group, either through BVR or in a dogfight.

[@doubledekercouch]

@@yrkjrk2972 that’s what an interceptor is: intercepting threats, in any case it was dedicated Air to Air

[@The_Radio_Check]

F-14B is also called a bombcat

[@doubledekercouch]

@@The_Radio_Check at the very least in the F-14A

[@Asianhustl3r]

Why not the MIG 25 instead of the MIG 29 since it is also an interceptor?

[@theScottishKoala]

MiG-25 wouldn’t even out perform the Phantoms. The 23MLD is straight up better.

[@BADBADGER18]

I demanded the ability to unlock this thing and it not feel like a stressful full time job. Its a game it’s meant to be fun.

[@snowdropfox5754]

Except no one cares what you demand. Especially not Gaijin.

[@BADBADGER18]

@@snowdropfox5754 definitely not gaijin 😂 but i know the player-base can agree with me

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

I would like to make a correction really quickly. F110-GE-400's were a variant of the GE-129's used on later variants of the F-16. As you stated the GE-400 was used exclusively on the F-14B and D. The F110 was GE's answer to the air forces request for the Alternative Engine Program in 1984, as the PW was showing an inability to fix problems with their PW F-100 engines that powered all F-16's and F-15's upon introduction. The F-15's actually still use the F-100 today and use the PW-229 (and upgrade variant) in the strike eagle, and the F-15C's still use their original PW-100 and 200, which don't have any thrust upgrade, though I can't understand why the USAF didn't upgrade them, maybe because the Raptor was in development? Though export F-15's have been using the GE-F110 for a while, the new F-15EX is the first Eagle in US service to use the F110. As a question, do you think Skyflashs could be upgraded as RN it acts more like an E-2, having only 25g overload. I believe it had a monopulse reciever with the Aim-7 didn't get until the M model.

[@theScottishKoala]

Inverse monopulse has no real effect right now, since EVERY Sparrow sort of acts as though they have one. It wouldn’t be the Skyflash getting improved (though I believe it should have a 30G overload, not 25), it’d be the AIM-7’s getting nerfed

[@jacobbaumgardner3406]

@@theScottishKoala gotcha, thanks for the info.

[@turnerbate5520]

Kenny loggins is gettin a fair few views recently....

[@theverminator8048]

let us hope that they dont release a premium version of this

[@Holsteinvonheine]

Sorry if I'm late but hbd!

[@nathandavid7585]

give it a few more years then the f 18 and f16 will be announce lol

[@bramtheyugo]

not even years, more like months the early f18 and f16 variants really don't have much we don't already have. the f18 doesn't even have a flight performance advantage since it is just a giant f5 pretty much

[@spiffywolf2850]

As I dont want to grind the American tch tree I hope they add the tornado as the brits never got a f14

[@Galm276]

Why is there ace combat music in the background lol

[@arash2236]

bruh i really loved USSR air till ...... now .... i regret my decision especially because my country was the only country other than US to operate tomcats

[@kometblitz]

Iran right?

[@arash2236]

@@kometblitz mhm

[@hemendraravi4787]

Wait till they add mig29 with r27t :)

[@arash2236]

@@hemendraravi4787 its sad thatmig29 wouldn't be that mmuch of a force id prefer SU27

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@arash2236 su27 will stomp on everything in 80s-early 90s , mig29 with irst+r27t op and it’s a pretty good dogfighter , su27 is good but it will be a bit more op than f15,even tho the f15 gets a better radar

[@baseballnick88guthrie68]

Wait how we get it

[@parkerbooth6310]

how do you get this plane

[@theScottishKoala]

This was just testing it out on the development server. It will be added to the regular game at the top of the US Naval aircraft tech tree in a week or two with the release of the “Danger Zone” update. It’ll follow on from the F-8 Crusaders and F-4J Phantom

[@439sparky1]

Koala, you forgot again to add armor cast to your “channels” tab. Would be nice to go to it from your main KZbin page

[@ryanweintraub9448]

1:41 I dunno why but I find this line to be the funniest shit ever

[@Avionicx]

Love the AC7 music! And lemme just press F for the non-US pilots rq. Also my suspicion for the "Early" tag is two fold, one is so it's not blatantly OP and stupid, and the other is so that in all, they can add 4 F-14s. A Early, A Late, B, and D. With 4 F-14s, you can have people just GE them which = more money as well as obv modification costs. Also Koala, what do you think of the Mirage G coming to the game? I've done a lit bit of research on it, and it looks pretty dope, maybe could be a nice addition?

[@bramtheyugo]

honestly it could be sick but they should prob first add the mirage f2 which had the same engine as the f14 giving it more power and may fix the issues with the f1 just being a bus

[@theScottishKoala]

Zero point adding a late F-14A AND the 14B AND the 14D. F-14D only even matters if they give it the AIM-120A’s it was tested with, otherwise it’s just an F-14B with a bit of a radar upgrade. F-14A late would just be the same plane we’ve got right now with a different cockpit (how often do Gaijin get cockpits right anyway), ALR-67 (makes no difference to us right now) and the TCS (no purpose outside sim). Gaijin have always messed around with weapons loads regardless of timeframe - hell the Jaguar GR.1 has modifications unique to the GR.1A, while the GR.1A has a pod unique to the GR.1B and GR.3. The F-4C has AIM-9E’s yet no AIM-7E’s, when IRL it was the other way around for most of Vietnam. F-4E we have is a 1980 variant, yet lacks AIM-7F’s. Basically, the F-14A has no reason to be tagged “early” since the distinction won’t mean anything and it can still get whatever missiles Gaijin wants it to regardless. Would have been better off just adding a later block F-14A like the one from DCS, and just limiting it to a 70’s missile load. That way we’d have an RWR screen in the cockpit, and the capability of LANTIRN pods and Paveways if Gaijin wanted to add that to it (no reason not to, F-4E would still be the better ground pounder)

[@Scott_dreer]

@@theScottishKoala i wouldnt hope for anything if they cant bogher to model in missile warning or track warning for sim players in the cockpit of F14...or harrier...or basically majority of the planes tbh

[@theScottishKoala]

@@Scott_dreer missile warning for radar homing missiles is something only a few of our aircraft has, most of the missile warnings on aircraft we have (F-5E for instance) were just for SAMs like SA-2’s

[@Scott_dreer]

@@theScottishKoala sadge cuz would be fun if it worked for sim cuz f.e i like harrier it has great sim payload but the rwr doesnt work..even tho its modeled in cockpit...its just sadge :/

[@ryankm48]

The only problem with this is I havent evan made ot to tier V! for America

[@sylv9570]

I was thinking about EJ Kai having AAM 3 or AIM7M so it could atleast fight the f14 when its close

[@theScottishKoala]

Both would be a bit much for us right now, even against the F-14

[@xf-snake4230]

here i was thinking the f14 actually came out today, started watching and realized it was just a late content creator getting their piece of the f14 hype pie.

[@h.a.r.r.y.3788]

When is it coming to Xbox public severs

[@asesino22full]

Mig-29A will come next patch after this, I have no proof, but im 100% sure of that. THE MIGHTY COUNTER TO THE F14 wont have to wait too much

[@luciussatchell9709]

What is the cannon on it?

[@solum9971]

20mm M61 Vulcan minigun

[@starwarsfan7992]

It would be amazing if they added Canada and added the Avro arrow, wouod be amamzing

[@floridachess9328]

Yay, a Koala Video while I try to render something on my Microsoft Surface Pro

[@gypsysmokes9815]

when do you think the patch will drop??? as us all im stoked that the snail has blessed us with new shiny and its le tomcat bigW

[@kajmak64bit76]

Such a shame that Danger Zone teaser trailer was made in engine and not ingame... clearly showing good looking afterburners... meanwhile ingame we got usual old bad looking afterburners... such a shame... we need improved afterburner visual effects and vapor stuff when turning

[@theScottishKoala]

It was all made in game…

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@theScottishKoala nope... the trailer clearly said it's in-engine footage... not ingame This explains why trailera always look better then ingame Literally go on and look at the scene where Tomcat takes off from the carrier... and check out it's afterburner... it looks nice and 3D and not flat The ingame footage you shown... clearly shows NOTHING changed for the afterburners... they are still regular same 2D flat looking effects

[@ElGringo21]

Can I just get python 3s for the Kfir

[@EtherealPhoenix_]

I agree with the naming schemes as the a-10 late doesnt have any lazer guided munitions or such like the mig 27k does so even though it does have those irl why the "late" naming for it?

[@jonathanoriley8260]

If I remember correctly, it wasn't until the C model that the A-10 recieved a laser designator pod. The "Late" model in-game is still an A variant.

[@EtherealPhoenix_]

@@jonathanoriley8260 which is fair but it has the pave penny lazer pod on it in game already... which just confuses me

[@theScottishKoala]

@@EtherealPhoenix_ Pave Penny is receiver only, it’s designed to let Paveways track a buddy laser (where someone ELSE lases the target, and the A-10 just provides the ordnance). Same thing applies to the Harrier GR.3 too. Needed a separate targeting pod (TGP) to be able to lase its own targets, which the A-10A never got the wiring for

[@EtherealPhoenix_]

@@theScottishKoala ah gotcha, that's a bummer i don't think they'll add another a-10 varient for a while...

[@theScottishKoala]

@@EtherealPhoenix_ probably not, we’ll be looking at A-6 variants first (the A-6E would be the better attacker anyway)

[@RyanSheridanLifts]

Do u guys think they will add a premium varient to War Thunder?

[@theScottishKoala]

Certainly... eventually. Probably after we start seeing F-15's and Su-27's and stuff with AMRAAMs as a rank 8, so that rank 7 premiums can be sold

[@MegaRoflgames]

I've noticed a common theme that everyone uses ace combat music when talking about the tomcat 🤣

[@GenJackOneill]

Nice choice in Ace Combat Music!

[@ICBTM]

Happy birthday

[@theScottishKoala]

Cheers mate

[@tommyleesheils2061]

Don’t forget the tornado F.3 carried ASRAAMs ;)

[@stealthysaucepan2016]

They still haven't added the rest of the century fighters lool

[@youngbloodbear9662]

Id strongly argye theres a bit more lineage with the f-111/f-14 than you let on- even the engines are the same and in many ways on the pentagon side the 14 was a bandaid solution to secure funding and attempt to force the airforce into using another nabal aircraft

[@theScottishKoala]

Engines get reused all the time - the F-4 Phantom had F-104 engines, doesn't mean there's a specific heritage there. The pentagon and congress can bitch as much as they like that the F-111 wasn't pressed into naval and air force service as a fighter aircraft, doesn't mean anyone should listen to em!

[@youngbloodbear9662]

@@theScottishKoala The impression I’ve gotten from memoirs covering the internal going on was basically that the navy saw a chance to take the same technology developed for the 111 and quickly produce something out of it to get funding before the FX program got congressional backing, though obviously I wasn’t there to see the details

[@theScottishKoala]

@@youngbloodbear9662 The F-14 definitely traces its design back TO the F-111, in that it was built BECAUSE the 111B had failed and wouldn't have been built otherwise, but that's all. It's a case of "Well, the 'vark didn't work... this should work instead!" Rather than the F-14 being a direct development FROM the F-111. Point being, the F-14 was a very radical departure from what the F-111 had tried to be. Grumman learned from the failure that was the F-111B, and stood on the shoulders of some of its technologies (TF-30 engines, AWG-9 radar, AIM-54 Phoenix missiles) to quickly design something new and different that WOULDN'T have the same problems. In that regard, its ties to the F-111 are pretty much the same as its ties to the F-4 Phantom. Given how very different the Aardvark and Tomcat turned out to be, it would be wrong to say that the former BECAME the latter, or that they were directly linked. They just happened to use a few similar bits of tech, which was mostly out of convenience for Grumman, who were forced to create the F-14 extremely quickly. Also worth remembering - the engines are both TF-30's, but they're not the same model. In that regard, the F-14 is as close to the F-111 as the A-4 Skyhawk is to the F-84F Thunderstreak! (The latter both used the Wright J65)

[@youngbloodbear9662]

@@theScottishKoala thats a very fair point, i suppose its just that to me, they tried too hard to go bigger higher faster with the 111 and ended up with a steaming pile of shit that demonstrated a handful of promising technologies, then quickly turned it around to build something that could take better advantage of the things that actually worked- whether or not the design and mission were recognizable- in my mind that’s a strong heritage, just maybe more a physical one than a spiritual one… maybe more like the f-111 is the drunk biological father it never knew

[@Husker5454]

My god this implementation of aim54 is horrible . They dont loft which is their main characteristic . I also haven't seen them being shot at their actual engagement range of round about 45miles for fighter sized targets everything is within 15miles .

[@jonathanoriley8260]

They do actually loft in the 2nd dev server. Also, the 54 was capable of having several configurations - the one where it goes out to 45 miles or farther is where it relies on the aircraft's radar like a typical semi-active for most of its journey, and only goes full active at the end when within a relatively closer distance (I believe within about 10 - 15 miles). The configuration represented in-game is the one where it goes full active straight off the rails, hence the shorter effective distance. (Also, the farther ranges were only achieved by launching them when at high altitudes and high speeds - the closer to sea level, the shorter the range).

[@Husker5454]

@@jonathanoriley8260 So the missile changes "mode" dependent on range and if the ACM cover is lifted "air combat manuvers" which would make it go pitbull off the rails like you said , looking at the ranges in the video it seems its within acm range so yes it would go straight , i have not seen any clips of people firing it at its intended range yet does it really loft ? if so link me a clip if u can i wanna see it .

[@jonathanoriley8260]

@@Husker5454 It doesn't simply change mode depending on range. The missile had to be configured beforehand.

[@jonathanoriley8260]

@@Husker5454 As for the lofting effect, you can see it in this video near the end: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJmpdHyDr9eWodE

[@Husker5454]

@@jonathanoriley8260 Cheers for the link . I seems to sort of loft but then dives while still in burn which is counterintuitive and is quite unrealistic even at close ranges like that it should loft far more

[@antonjames4867]

I have Spotify can't wait to play the top gun theme song danger zone in the background