The Top 5 Biggest Mysteries From the First Age (Beleriand Sinking, Evil Creatures, Maglor, Others)

[@affinityforanime]

Maglor's fate is definitely one of the most interesting unanswered mysteries of Middle Earth lore IMO.

[@ImperatorPenguin]

I saw him in a Crusader King III mod. You can either remake a new kingdom in his image... or presumably spend that time mopping about all of his poor life choices.

[@jeremymott]

​@@ImperatorPenguin he's also in a CKII mod as well

[@jacklang3314]

@@jeremymottwhat it called?

[@ImperatorPenguin]

@@jacklang3314 The CKIII mod, Realms in Exile. The CKII mod, no idea but you can probably still find it.

[@JSTmore]

To me personally, the fact that we have mysteries like those makes the silmarilion even more impactful and epic It legitimately feels like a history book where we dont necessarily have all the answers just like in real life , and i am honestly satisfied with the idea of " it has been said that .." Like with Ungoliant , it kinda gives you an idea and leaves the rest for you to figure out

[@MrARock001]

"All the other Valar said I was daft to build a continent in Ea, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em! It sank into the sea. So, I built Beleriand. That sank into the sea. So I built Numenor. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the sea."

[@Talius10]

There aren't enough likes on the internet for this most excellent of comments.

[@MrARock001]

@@Talius10 😂❤️

[@MrARock001]

"But Middle Earth *stayed up.* And that's what you're gonna get, Elendil, the *strongest land* in Ea."

[@iandennis7836]

"But father....."😂

[@iirclife]

@@MrARock001 With huge ... tracts of land.

[@capd3262]

You neglected the greatest mystery of all. Just how far, exactly, can Galadriel swim?

[@eugenemonti5755]

That happened in second age not first age so we might get it in the next vid

[@patrickols]

And it’s Guyladriel

[@andresvivesdecespedes1661]

I got another for 2nd age: Was Arondir able to hit that human MILF from the "Southlands"?

[@awwwshucks443]

Hahahahahahahaha

[@TobiasSmith-u9b]

@@eugenemonti5755 I believe you mean the Fake Second Age. The Badfanfictionarium.

[@medikor9190]

I'd rather the mysteries not be answered in adaptations. The mysteries of Middle-Earth are part of what helps make it so interesting. Besides, no adaptation or attempt to answer these mysteries would ever live up to our own ideas.

[@DigitalSystematic]

I disagree. I love Tolkien’s books and think they’re perfect as they are, it’s my favourite group of books to read. That being said, it doesn’t harm my view of them at all by there being adaptions of his work. In fact, I find myself lucky that I can enjoy his world in many other ways from other creatives. Jackson’s movies departed in places from the books but I can appreciate the decisions that were made. It only adds to the content that I can enjoy. I hope we get more stories on screen for years to come, even telling of people and places that are completely absent from the books

[@Comicnut64]

Wasn’t expecting a top five video but excellent work Yoystan

[@orrointhewise87]

"Even the very wise cannot see all ends." Some of the best mysterys are the ones we can't solve But aside from the blue wizards the one mystery I want to see and know is the final battle between good and evil. The epic conflict would have put every battle in history to shame. But one can dream 😊

[@nemisous83]

My explanation why Beleriend sank beneath the waves is because the contenant was so tainted by Melkor that it became a part of his essence and when he was defeated and cast into the void the contenant collapsed in the same way Bar a dhur collapsed after the ring was destroyed which ties back to the book Morgoth's Ring. Certain areas in Beleriend were spared because they were hallowed ground or untouched by Morgoth's malice.

[@DigitalSystematic]

Beleriand was home to many beautiful realms too. I wonder if the sinking of Beleriand was gradual or if it was like the movie 2012 and collapsed into the sea in hours.

[@nemisous83]

@@DigitalSystematic I'm sure it was gradual over a year or so but for an Elf it would appear like it just sank very quickly.

[@timonsolus]

Here’s a more mundane explanation: We know what Morgoth did above ground in Beleriand. But we don’t know much about what he did underground. Imagine, during the First Age, especially during the Siege of Angband, numbers of Orcs digging endless networks of tunnels and excavating vast caverns underground - breeding hideous Nameless Things in them. Perhaps the geographical sinking of Beleriand came from the Valar collapsing these tunnels and caverns.

[@shadowofchaos8932]

Maglor the Musician, awaits his time in the Fourth Age in the Ruins of Himring. He awaits the one to fulfill the Prophecy of Mandos. Maglor has watched the world with the Palantir his father made for him and his brothers. Fëonor meant to make one for each of his children but only managed to create three for the oldest. No living being as step foot on Himring since the Fall, but Maglor found the Ruins of his brothers Keep. Personal fanfic I'm working on.

[@vineetdodd9915]

Sounds amazing!!

[@ZephyrOptional]

Great comment but I thought all 7 seeing stones were made but only 3 remained during the 3rd age.

[@shadowofchaos8932]

@@ZephyrOptional more than 7 were made. Numenor fell, the faithful saved 7 on their ships. A total of Palantir was never established.

[@ZephyrOptional]

@@shadowofchaos8932 you’re correct, although because the number is not known, and because 7 were saved, it’s often “assumed” that Feanor only made seven, but it’s not known for sure if Faenor was even the one who made them.

[@shadowofchaos8932]

@@ZephyrOptional I believe he was taught how to make them from the Valar. The Bigger Palantirí were made by the Valar, the smaller ones by Fëonor. That is why the master stone and the Stone in the Grey Havens had different abilities and were larger.

[@leonav6237]

I really like mysteries to stay that way, like it gives flight to imagination and discussions

[@IarwainBen-adar]

I like to think that Maglor wandering the coasts was kind of a curse as a result of all that was done because of the Oath. He didn’t have to die but he was forced to wander in solitude for all ages to come, to weep and to make music lamenting the sins of himself and his family.

[@paulprovenzano3755]

The Silmarillion first came out when I was in high school and that’s when I read it for the first time. The eventual mysterious fate of Maglor always spoke to me.

[@rileycord1248]

Murmur of the sea you will lull my pain On the shore of sorrow I'm fading away Drained by the weight of a long, erring life Burnt by the doom, the curse and the strife Weighed down with the loss Stretching out my hand Trying to remember Now I understand I passed through all seasons Of love and of hate Everything I fought for Was my chosen fate In the wail of the wind In the beat of the rain In the breaking of waves You will listen in vain Hear the cry of the gulls Yearning for the sea Hear the springing stream But you will not find me Now nothing remains Of him who was lost And faced his own ruin Carrying on at all cost While here by the sea The cold wind is sighing While down in the valley The flowers are dying My voice in the shadows forever will hide Footprints in the sand wiped out by the tide And the light in the west and all that my soul sees Is just a faint whisper that dies in the breeze Weighed down with the loss Stretching out my hand Trying to remember Now I understand I passed through all seasons Of love and of hate Everything I fought for Was my chosen fate In the wail of the wind In the beat of the rain In the breaking of waves You will listen in vain Hear the cry of the gulls Yearning for the sea Hear the springing stream But you will not find me Now nothing remains Of him who was lost And faced his own ruin Carrying on at all cost While here by the sea The cold wind is sighing While down in the valley The flowers are dying - Maglor The Lost Elf, The Ainur's album From Ancient Times

[@erichtomanek4739]

I wish in The Lord of the Rings, when The Ring was destroyed in Mount Doom, the Lost Lands of Beleriand rose up above the ocean waves, as the landscape was before. It would be a nice present from the Valar to the new king of Gondor.

[@istari0]

I always figured that the sinking of Beleriand took some years to happen, giving the survivors time to leave. I also think some of the Valar took part in the War of Wrath, with the most likely participants being Tulkas, Oromë, and Aulë. There was a letter from 1964 that recently came to light where Tolkien included a manuscript called "Concerning... 'The Hoard'" where Tolkien wrote that Maglor hurled both himself and the Silmaril into the sea. Personally, I think that is a fitting end for him, given how good the Fëanorians were at killing themselves off, along with a lot of other people.

[@DigitalSystematic]

It’s of course just for dramatic effect, but have you seen the opening for Rings of Power? It shows the structures still standing underwater with the bodies of slain elves falling down. Seems to suggest both, because how would the structures still be there if it was a violent cataclysm? And if it sank slowly then why are there bodies in the water sinking? They would be washed up, eaten, or buried by now.

[@istari0]

@@DigitalSystematic I take nothing from RoP as being representative of what Tolkien actually did.

[@rfigueiredomusic]

To me the best way to introduce a character like Maeglor. It should be in a video game or a series that is respectful to the lore. Where you play a character in the second, third or fourth age, and you talk with an NPC in a quest where he speaks about meeting an elf that didn’t seem like any other. He had a strong presence but was sorrowful like the weight of the world was put on his shoulders. And actually talk a bit about him. But you don’t actually meet him. You just know that he met some NPCs around the world, that have stories and moments shared with him. So that you actually know that he is still around, and helping by advising people to what greed does to people. I don’t know. To me at least I always find more fascinating the ruins of a castle than the castle itself. The mind does more work then the eyes could ever see

[@kaidorade1317]

An excellent top five history lesson! Thank you sir

[@awgates85]

I like to think the sun and moon drove Ungoliant mad. Two lights she could never reach and devour filling her with a crazed lust and hunger, she might have driven herself to utter exhaustion and then ate herself, or try setting a trap at the edge and falling off 😅

[@villekuronen6242]

i actually wouls prefer that at least some of these mysteries will never be properly answered..... it keeps things much more interesting and its quite interesting to hear all kinds of theories what might have happened

[@paulbrickler]

I love the mystery of Maglor's fate. Thanks again, Yoystan!

[@glennross85]

Damn, I always just assumed the third age Dwarven settlement in the Blue Mountains was one of the ones from the first age, now you got me thinking.

[@davidandrews2972]

"Men couldn't set foot in Valinor." That one struck me as an anomaly. I know Mandos said "shall a mortal man step living upon the undying lands and yet live" but the ban of the Valar wasn't in place yet, as Numenor hadn't been created yet, so why not?

[@830Marcos]

Well the Valar already know a lot of things that will happen due to their participation in the Ainulindalë; so maybe "Mandos" spoke looking into the future already. I think is like the alien species in the movie "Arrival" ; They developed a timeless circular language; when a human try to talk to them it could be a mess because they talk in the present but maybe they are focusing to something in another point in the future.

[@ghostdreamer7272]

@@830Marcosit’s said that the role of the peoples are completely hidden from and beyond the music

[@str.77]

I take it more as a comment on a mortal entering the undying lands, or in other words: death entering the land that knows no death.

[@daniels7907]

@@str.77 - Although by that point there had been plenty of death. The First Kinslaying comes to mind. Before that, Finwe's first wife, and later Finwe himself.

[@CaptainFSU]

@@daniels7907 Yes, exactly and those were considered unnatural at best and abominations at worst.

[@gillianlovell9578]

The Elvish loremaster, minstrel, and herald Daeron, of Thingol's court, also disappeared after passing over Ered Lindon in search of Lúthien; last seen heading into the East,, he was said to be the one of the greatest of all minstrels, surpassing even Maglor.

[@WitchKing73]

Hey, that was my question! Ni 'lassui En, Yoystan! Agórel vae! You precisely touched upon the same mysteries that I've dreamt about for decades. Wishing you continued growth & success. Galu!

[@radrickdavis]

Even Gandalf seems to have forgotten many things after his return to middle earth. Galadriel was a late arrival. Cirdan is the one constant who lived longest through the ages who likely has the answers to all of these historical mysteries. He witnessed the comings and goings from the shores of every major trans oceanic voyage.

[@edwardbarach2263]

Smaug was not a First Age dragon. At some point he boasts that when he took Erebor he was young, but that in the time since, he had matured and become more powerful. This time was only 171 years.

[@MxKtl]

The fate of Maglor is my favourite mystery as well. I'd really love to know his story after the first age.

[@Steve-qu3jk]

For Maglor, there is an allusion to him in The One Ring RPG. The publisher does not have rights to the Silmarillion but one of their published works describes a "wanderer of the shores" that sounds a lot like the description of Maglor's fate. .

[@theflammiferofwesternesse6122]

Something I always think about is what happened to Earendil when he went to Valinor. I mean, the whole story, not just the beautiful poem. I guess it's best left to the imagination.

[@TheCountZopolai]

My view is that by far the most convincing argument about Maglor is that he has mostly stayed in Eryn Vorn in Minhiriath (a patch of woodland on the coast more or less due south of the Shire or the Tower Hills). That is because: 1) He must have started his exile in the general vicinity of Lindon, as with all elves surviving the sinking of Beleriand- if indeed that was not explicit in his last sighting in the Silmarillion. 2) He clearly could not stay in Lindon proper as he would not be welcome by Cirdan in particular, given his involvement in the sack of Sirion, so he will not be able to syat in that land. 3) It is very unlikely that he would have travelled to any of the surviving islands of Beleriand for the same reason, as he could only obtain ships from Lindon. In any case, he is described as wandering the shores of the world, which seems inconsistent with him being on one of the Islands. 4) He is very unlikely to leave the seashore, having thrown the Silmaril into the sea and his ban from Valinor, so he is very unlikely to travel further than absolutely necessary. 5) He has not been knowingly sighted in the later ages, so he must be somewhere isolated. Realistically, that leaves the coastal regions of Eriador as a possibility. Any further south, and you're into heavily populated lands. 6) There are three coastal regions of Eriador (excluding Lindon, if it counts)- Enedwaith, Minhiriath, and Forochel. 7) I think that Forochel is unlikely- he's going to have heard stories about what happened in the Helcaraxe in his youth, and isn't going to think much of the subarctic. So one of the two southern regions. 8) Eryn Vorn is the only patch of woodland left on the coast of Enedwaith or Minhiriath. Elves, clearly, have a habit of seeking refuge in woodlands in times of danger, and come to think of it, so did Maglor in Ossiriand after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. It's also (almost) uninhabited and was never really under anyone's control, except nominally Arnor/Cardolan 9) All of this presupposes that he did not, eventually, have a chance to repent and travel to Valinor. I think not- he is bound by the Oath of Feanor and the Doom of Mandos, and leaving would be almost unimaginable for him. 10) His likely fate is the same as all elves who cannot eventually leave for the West. Elves are not truely immortal in Middle Earth proper, or, rather, their immortality is not fully preserved there. Given time- probably millenia- he will age, and weaken, and wither, and fade. A tragic, but perhaps fitting, fate.

[@LeftyScaevola]

I like the theory that to weaken Morgoth, connected with the central theme of "Morgoth's Ring", that to weaken Morgoth, the Valar exposed and dispersed veins of "Morgoth Element" or other underground veins of his power stored under Beleariand and this fatally weaken the land.

[@beatleblev]

Props to that poor male spider who mated with Ungoliant. Bless his spider heart. Via con Eru buddy!

[@progamerroman9331]

I just finished the silmarillion a few day ago, nice video!

[@root13pie]

With everything we know about them, I refuse to believe that Tulkas and Orome did not participate in the War of Wrath. They craved another chance to defeat Morgoth after he evaded capture following the destruction of the two trees. However, once Morgoth was captured I'd assume these Valar immediately left for Valinor with their prisoner, leaving Eonwe behind to govern the aftermath of the war, including dealing with a temporarily repentant Sauron.

[@endermanwithalowercasee]

The undescribed monsters Oromë fights in the early days of Middle Earth give me the same vibs as the Nameless Things, things from nightmares embodied in flesh, though personally I do think they are not exactly the same beasts. Same origin yes but not the same creatures persay.

[@lhadzyan7300]

Yeah the details on how and by which one Morgoth got defeated is very left ambiguous though considering Eärendil role wielding the Silmaril after defeating Ancalagon, as well the leading Maia Eönwe, and the leading fighter Elves of Finarfin and Ingöwe they might have been the ones doing some sort of coinjointed effort to defeat and capture him.

[@upschutt4842]

I was just wondering about Beleriand today

[@gene108]

The War of Wrath lasted 42 years. It involved elves, men, dwarves, and Eönwë leading the armies of those who opposed Morgoth. I don’t think the Valar came to participate in the war. They had been reducing their direct involvement in Middle Earth, after the coming of the Elves. I like to think maybe hundreds or even thousands of Maiar accompanied Eönwë? I’d like to think there would be other Maiar from Valinor in the war. Morgoth put whatever was remaining of his inherent power into orcs, and dragons, as stated in various books. I think since Morgoth helped shape Middle Earth his connection to the land, sea, and air - which he influenced in the beginning - may have led him to drain what power he had left to bring cataclysms on the Host of Valinor to try and win causing irreversible damage to Beleriand. Maiar may have had some power to blunt the worst of these cataclysms (I’m thinking floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions,etc.), but their counters caused its own damage to Beleriand. I think in Morgoth’s desperate attempt to win the War of Wrath, he used all the power that was given to him causing the ultimate ruin of Beleriand.

[@aqf235]

There are so many mysteries not observed, not recorded, and not passed on, in this world and in Middle Earth's.

[@chrisberotti5876]

Really good original video. Since there has always been debates on how many Balrog's there was. I always wanted to know if Melkor could re embody them after death?

[@mtcelticharper]

I love that you support Leah's Mythologie candles! Her music is amazing too.

[@theemissary1313]

As cool as it would be to have another dragon or balrog survive and rear their head, I'm concerned that this is where amazon started...

[@philipcraig6230]

Did Tolkein ever write about anyone visiting the remaing outcroppings of Beleriand?

[@TheSaneHatter]

Regarding Ungoliant, an unfinished "Lay of Earendil," set before his journey to Valinor, supposedly established that HE had slain her, somewhere in the south. Regarding Maglor, my assumption is that he just kept singing and lamenting until, like all the Elves, he faded away into the unseen world out of human sight, long before modern times. (It's a pity, for I would have liked to hear him, at least, if not meet him and learn how he told his story.) Regarding Smaug, I'm inclined to take his boast about slaying "the warriors of old, whose like is not in the world today" as a sign that he did, indeed, fight in the Elder Days, but he may very well be exaggerating his role, all the same. And as for what we might find on the ocean floor, beneath the waters of the Atlantic(?), I have always thought that an adventure in which some pure-hearted soul finds the Silmaril that Maglor threw away, could make a touching story. No doubt, s/he would have to return it, somehow sailing West until some hand from Aman reached out, partway, so take it from them (it might even be someone we recognize, like Galadriel or Legolas). Indeed, this might be when Maglor finally gets to sail home, after joining the mission: perhaps with the Silmaril, we could at last see him.......

[@dlevi67]

Considering that Smaug also says something like "when I came to the mountain [Erebor] I was young and soft, but I am much stronger now", I would say it's very very unlikely Smaug dates back to the First Age (Erebor was abandoned by the dwarves about 200 years before the events in The Hobbit). If it's not pure boasting, he may be referring to Girion, Thror and their armies.

[@otaku-sempai2197]

We can probably identity Mount Dolmed on Third-Age maps as the mountain in Forlindon that stands a little apart from the range, just north of the source of the river that runs through the region. IF we can accept the locations for Nogrod and Belegost that are provided in The Silmarillion then the Halls of Thorin were probably about half-way between Nogrod and the Grey Havens.

[@ghostdreamer7272]

So basically… everything the War of Wrath. I’m still so confused how Tolkien wrote so much, yet so little on this? Did he think it wasn’t important or interesting (??), or was he so conflicted, or did he feel it was beyond him? I’m surprised there’s not even any writing of him not writing much on it.

[@盧璘壽로인수]

well his focus was on his conlangs, not micromanaging

[@Darkgeran7]

Since you’re doing video requests can you do one on the variags. And while on the topic of theories what might have happened to diors sons whom maedrothes failed to find because there deaths aren’t told in at least from what I have heard.

[@CuttinEJ]

I don’t find any conflict in the Valar coming into Middle Earth. The ban was of Men going to Valinor. And I think at least Orome, Tulkas and Aule must have gone to the battle, along with many of the Maiar. One to hunt, one to grapple and one to fasten the chain and beat the crown into a collar. Perhaps many of the greatest remaining Elves were also involved with protection of Eru. That would account for the destruction of the evil creatures of Morgoth. And if Arda was created by the power of the Valar, surely it could be altered also by the same powers. And I think the drowning of Beleriand is unlike the drowning of Numenor in that the latter involved the destruction of some of the children of Iluvatar, which the Valar couldn’t bring themselves to do. And finally, in the 3rd Age the Valar did not come directly to the aid of the Children for fear of causing harm like that of the end of the 1st age. They only sent a few Maia with great restrictions and very specific proscriptions against matching power with power. I think this is because if Middle Earth had suffered another catastrophic event like the destruction of Beleriand there wouldn’t have been any place left in Arda that was clean and beautiful for the Children to live in for Morgoth and Sauron had thoroughly ruined the lands farther East

[@TheOtherSteel]

Beleriand's sinking was no mystery. The first time the valar and maia warred against Melkor, the original super continent split in two. The second time they went to war against Melkor, a gigantic mountain range was thrown down. The third time, Beleriand sank beneath the sea. The disasters were a consequence of the incredible powers unleashed, and were why the valar and maia were reluctant to arrive in force in Middle Earth to defeat Sauron.

[@peger]

The bigest mysteries is "Where was Gondor when the westfold fell" xD Joke aside. What was Maglor fate? Is he still alive in 3rd era? 7:50 ye i also assumed that valars didn't participate in that battle. But maiar did at least Eonwe. I always assumed that Melkor didn't fight back just start begging for mercy. Also he was much, much weaker at this point, in comparison withwhen his reign in Utumno. Well he saw armies of Finarfin who decided to stay in valinor.

[@vortigern7021]

Thankfully RoP will explain all the mysteries. Just like how they revealed the biggest mystery of how Mordor was created.

[@baystated]

Once I saw the sinking of Los Angeles in the film 2012, that is how I envision the end of Beleriand. Sections breaking rotating and lowering, the sea flowing in and over, but slower than the film, so that the surviving peoples could always outrun it.

[@crazyeyecarl]

I'd like to see an adaptation of the war between the Dwarves and Dragons. Since there isnt a lot of lore about it, least to my knowledge, they could easily add a dragon or two from the first age into that war as the leader or something.

[@daniels7907]

What happened to the Silmaril that Maglor threw into the sea? Ulmo, Osse, or Uinen should have been able to retrieve it. Just as Manwe and Varda should have been able to get the one Earendil had.

[@TheBlueWizardOfWestVirginia]

This was great. It seems like we have similar thought patterns. Thanks for the video

[@lpluva1]

If Tulkas is going then the rest of them can stay home and chill.

[@lhadzyan7300]

Tulkas defeated Morgoth before because he was on HIS PRIME then but at the War of Wrath he wasn´t without anything else than the Silmarils, and it seems the main reason he got defeating Fingolfin earlier on was because of it, and EVEN THEN it was a very hard-acheived triumph for him, as he got severly hurted by the High Elve and later on the Great Eagle which helped to retrieve his death body to avoid corpse desecretion on Morgoth´s behalf. Then... Beren and Luthien stole him a Silmarill from his crown in plain sight of all, being him totally overpowered by the charming of her song and dance, and actually only breaking up for Beren doing a mistake for seeking more than it was requested then, but still they got away. The main big deal was to got Morgoth to get rid by chance of his crown, and retrieve it back before he could get it back and well, then he was pretty much doomed. But it needed a big group, but all worked fine - I insist that what happened as Sauron got defeated on the end of Second Age it´s pretty much the same fate as Morgoth then, and didn´t needed the aid of any Valar as the issue was just to get rid him of his crown and someone was already wielding a Silmarill against him to fight back, Manwe´s herald was likely the third most powerfull Maia (besides Sauron and Melian), and the high Elves were so mighty (specially the Vanyar one), so there was NO NEED of any Valar there in all!! Morgoth didn´t have the same power as when Tulkas defeated him, and by getting him of his crown however it might happens and retrieving it before he got it back, was the definitive doom for him, but it needed GROUP ASSEMBLE work!!

[@martinschouwenburg506]

I was always a bit puzzled that a mighty host of elves came from peacefull Valinor and beat the crap (okay, took a long time) out of Morgoth and his battle hardened troops. How much experience did the Vanyar have in warfare or violence at all? Has been a long, long time since they left middle earth. Maybe it was a big dance off with the orces, trolls and balrogs. I can imagine that they would win that. Ah, well, elves

[@lhadzyan7300]

@@martinschouwenburg506 well the Noldor Elves lead by Finarfin side were kinda more warrior-type elves after all, but the Vanyar kinda seems they got POWER on themselves - like whatever Galadriel got on her own too for being a greater sorceress (her grandmother was a Vanyar after all) The Noldor were linked to Aüle skills, but the Vanyar got things directly from Mänwe, the leader of all Valar and henceforth, some big deal might have come from them and his main leader.

[@federicaesu8580]

Excellent video . If I had more writing skills, I’d love to write a fan fiction about Maglor . I . I figured that after wandering on the shores of what was left of Beleriand, he decided to liv like a sort of hermit on the island of Imring , former fortress held by his brother Maedhros.

[@timbotron4000]

I instantly recognized this music from Kerbal Space Program lol

[@VikingerOnYT]

I think that Adar, from The Rings of Power, might be Maglor 🫣 I know ROP isn't canon, but it'd be cool to see at least a digital media version of Maglor

[@09stoneheart]

I have a few more first age mysteries to speculate on, if you desire to make a part two of this amazing video. 1. How did Earendil actually defeat Ancalacon the Black; a dragon so large his body smashed the peaks of Thongolodrim? None of the eagles were said to be that large. Nor is there any mention of Earendil having super natural abilities, aside from his flying ship, that would allow him to combat the dragon. 2. What was the exact location of Maedhros' death; where he cast himself into a fire casum? Since there are not that many active geological locations in Middle Earth, could it have been Mordor? 3. Is Morgoth really trapped outside of Arda or is he just bidding his time? The Valar couldn't keep him out the last time he was banished to the timeless void during the Years of the Lamps. Perhaps he is waiting for the Valar and Elves to grow weak and weary within the circles of the world, while he in turn recuperates his strength?

[@あのにます-o1h]

My biggest mistery is “How did Eärendil fight and destroy Ancalagon the black?” Archery? Did Vingilot have a Silmaril hi-mega cannon or something?

[@WhoIsCalli]

My favourite also is where did Maglor go

[@andrealencione9298]

This is more third age, but what is the back story for Scatha the Worm? The horn Merry is given is from the horn of Scatha and is an heirloom of Rohan. Must be a good story there, right?

[@alexstewart9747]

Tolkien said it. Maglor faded into obscurity in his grief like all Elves who stayed in Middle Earth for the 4th age. If your imagination can’t accept it, bully for you.

[@lhadzyan7300]

Maglor´s fate is such a big mystery but it seems he never left Middle Earth but went without any final place to ever rest, though nearby to the sea coasts wandering forever always till the end of days when the Sea Silmarill might be brought back and so then.. he might shown up for something else by chance to end his story either for good or doom on himself. There seems as if he keept living on but, lost his mind and self-identity, just keeping the vague seeking issue connection on something missed on the sea, and as inmortal he might still be there on the Fourth Age, but... just none ever know about him! Another loose end with open fate as Ungoliant, though this time a poignant sad type!

[@Adamadam-zc6pe]

I definitely think that Eon-we could have taken Morgoth in such a weakened state. Since he was definitely mentioned to be leading the armies.

[@herbthompson8937]

I refuse to believe Tulkas and Orome did not participate in the war

[@DigitalSystematic]

They definitely wanted smoke!

[@maxmercer1931]

What do you think Morgoth got out of possessing the Silmarils? Could he see something in them that reminded him of the first music of the Ainur?

[@J74-PO]

I think it is more like an older annoying brother without fantasy or imagination, who can't stand seeing his younger brother playing calmly with his toy, instead of entertaning him. He takes away the toy and doesn't care, wether his action will get him into trouble, or not. It's just the thrill of getting everybody's attention, that he so "rightfully" deserves...

[@beatleblev]

Everlasting burnt hands, a constant weight on his brow and the fiendish joy of knowing that little preening brat, Feanor, didn't have his shiny rocks and HE hid. That's it, but for the Lord of Spite, it was enough.

[@nrm224]

He’s like Satan. He can’t really do anything except deprive, despoil, and destroy.

[@TobiasSmith-u9b]

It has always been my understanding that Morgoth has spent so much of his inherent power and diminished himself so much by the end of the War of Wrath that Eönwë was able to physically defeat him.

[@rjb639]

I also have a personal list of great mysteries of the Legendarium. 1) Did Tuor really reach Aman and was accepted and given inmortality, if so why? ( I also have my theory about that but can't discuss it here)> 2) Why the Valar were such dicks? really, a small portion of the Noldor committed a crime with the kinslaying, many more just disobeyed the Valar by going to Middle Earth but did nothing wrong. They suffered and died, what about men? what about the sindar, the Valar left them to Morgoth just because they had a tantrum about the Noldor leaving. Note, exclude Ulmo and possibly Tulkas and Orome. 3) why did Turgon so easily agree to his only daughter to marry a mortal man? (intimately related to point 1) 4) why didn't the Valar recover the 2 lost silmarils? one was in the sea, I am sure for Ulmo it would have been child play, the other fell in a crack that was later sunk, surely they could find it. Since the silmarils contained the light of the trees you would think they would want to get them. 5) Why was Glorfindel sent to Middle Earth? I thought the rule was that rebodied elves would stay in Aman. Why him and no others, like Finrod for example. Galadriel would have been glad. I have many more but I'll leave it at that.

[@cavetroll666]

Maglor is cool lol thanks for the video and lord of the rings online covers so many good mysteries.

[@Michael-ji3gw]

Great Video

[@altpotts6252]

I think Maglor gave up his life and faded.

[@shanenolan5625]

Thank you

[@wescobb8071]

I like the idea that tol fuin didnt sink because Sauron retreated to his base there after fleeing eonwe after the war of wrath. It’s where he hid after Luthien and Huan kicked his butt, so it makes sense that he’d hide there again while he waited for the host of the west to leave and he personally rebuilt his strength. Credit to girl next Gondor for touching on this idea in a recent video.

[@jasonking3182]

I always thought the sinking of Beleriand is why the Wizards work in more subtle ways. Throwing around that level of power has massive consequences.

[@noahhyland3596]

May have just thought of something. Maglor is Tom Bombadil

[@mauramahon7685]

If Tolkien lived longer and had more time to work on Middle Earth lore, do you think we would have the answers for them today? I'm glad he put in so much work in the Legendarium. I love hearing about the stories contained therein. Whenever we have these sorts of questions, I get a twinge of sadness because we'll never know. The only information we have is what we already have (the various books, essays, and letters Tolkien wrote), nothing more. We have to be satisfied with what we have. If Tolkien was alive today and I had an opportunity to talk to him, I would show him this video and get his thoughts on the topics you brought up.

[@gandalf8216]

I mean this in the most non-offensive way possible, but that intro, when you said Beleriand sank into the sea as if it was a minor but annoying inconvenience, that was so funny. /sigh oh no, not another kingdom dying to a flood... not again, OH NO, not NUMENOR ALSO, *sighs* Not again...

[@TheOneRik507]

The real question is: Where was Maglor when the Westfold fell?

[@danielcarter837]

Tulkas would have had to participate in the War of Wrath if to do nothing else that to drag Morgoth out of his hole and put the chains on him. Leave the mysteries at mysteries. We do not need to know everything. Unless Peter Jackson and his team are involved I am not sure I trust anyone to do any story right.

[@aurinrakkun8589]

I definitely think Maglor helped 'offscreen' during LOTR. I don't think he'd have spent all those centuries alone. He'd likely have chatted to other wanderers or the people of fishing villages or towns who he came across. And I'm sure he'd have heard of the War of the Ring...maybe he was part of the defense of Lebennin when the Corsairs raided it, and he helped Aragorn and the Army of the Dead capture their ships. Also, have you seen Frieren: Beyond Journey's End, Yoystan? It has a LOT of similar themes regarding elves and their relationships with humans and the world. It very much seems to be inspired by Tolkien's work.

[@JayStephens8]

I wonder how different the timeline would’ve been had Beleriend and Numenor not been sunk beneath the waves

[@superplit1204]

Stupid question maybe, but is there anything written if Beleriand rises again from the sea? Love the channel btw :)

[@dmitrizverev3142]

Yoystan, could you please make a video on Tom Bombadil after the War of the Ring? What came to pass for him? What did he do? Or did nothing change in his life? Thank you! ❤

[@awgates85]

I think I have heard a breakdown on Smaug on another channel, and there is some evidence that he is a fairly young dragon, born in the late second or early third age.

[@MJC1891]

My favorite age❤❤❤

[@randybarner6483]

I was wondering if Maglor was the Palinorian Ship builder that made the ships that took Gandalf and Bagginses and Co. to the final trip to the Palinor fields?

[@lhadzyan7300]

Though there were Valar which defeated Morgoth before during the time of the Trees just a bit after the Awakening of the Elves time, by the time of his defeat on War of Wrath, Morgoth didn´t have the same level of power IN ALL as he got before, and was hurt and defeated before it, so... after ending Ancalagon, though it seems was a very hard time to finish him (which might have been the final issues on where Beleriand ground got so much ruined the background that had to be sunked on after it) at the very end, a leading Maia, two high Elves (one Noldor and one Vanyar) and a half-elve with a Silmaril used it all over him even when himself was still wielding the crown with the other Silmarils. (It seems that the main goal to finish him was to made a strategy for him to make his crown fell down and retrieve it before anything else, and well it needed a group fightback, it seems the same as it happened with the defeat of Sauron at the end of the War of the Last Alliance, where there was some group effort between King Elendil, King Gil-Galaad, Prince Isildur and even a somewhat younger Elrond to finish him too, and didn´t happened as the movies set on that!!)

[@stnylan]

The old MERP ttrpg had some Third Age consequences of fragments of stuff from the Elder Days in their material in Arnor, Angmar and Forodwaith iirc.

[@brutepuncher]

I think that, if we want to be poetic, maybe Maglor did witness all the events mentioned in your list at the end. Maybe he took it upon himself to witness the future of the world so damaged by the actions of his family as a penance. Maybe Ulmo even guided him to safety before the sinking of the world, and guided him to witness such events. Maybe, then, with the destruction of the Ring and the Age of Men truly come, Maglor came to Cirdan and boarded the Last Ship, taking with him the last memories of the Elder Days alongside Cirdan and Celeborn to finally earn his rest and receive the redemption he wanted.

[@philippeatten2143]

Great Video, Really going out into pure speculation, but could Maglor not be Tom Bombadil. Having wielded the SIlmarils and being so powerful as he was could he not be someone to resist the onr Ring? I know it is pure speculatioon but it would really be an interesting choice by the Professor...

[@nelsinki5177]

One theory mine is the Valar actually didn't went into the war of wrath, as powerfull Morgoth was, his power was just a fraction of the original he had at the begins of the age, and he stretched her influence on the middle earth too much, the valar could not enter completely on war without risk break the world but they sent their armies for one last time, after that the valar were way more powerfull to interfere on the happenings of the world outside of Valinor without hurting the world, that was the moment when de Destiny of the Middle Earth was on the hands of their inhabitants and Eru Iluvatar.

[@Lord-Emperor-Vader]

What was Treebeard and Tom Bombadil doing.

[@catwoman3247]

They were chilling 😎

[@catwoman3247]

I'm interested in this question too🤔

[@lhadzyan7300]

Though it could be that Durin´s Bane could have been the last Balrog survivor after War of Wrath, there seems to be implied that could be MORE too, albeit their number it´s unknown. The original quote talks about Balrogs in PLURAL so there might be MORE THAN ONE however indeed it´s also LEFT AMBIGUOUS so it could be just one alone as Tolkien seems to refered at The Lord of the Rings, it seems could be both, and the plural quote was used because it was UNKNOWN and so couldn´t be certain to address if there was just one last survivor as came to be Durin´s Bane or if indeed there are some other MORE than him alone which happens to be just unknown. (The latter one comes to have sense in tune about the Profecy of Dagor Dagorath at the end of all and the return of Morgoth then, henceforth makes perfect sense to have him again the remaining Balrogs on his service, as much it happened when they also came back to help him on returning to Middle Earth when defending him from Ungoliant´s attack, so makes perfect sense to have actually MORE hidden Balrogs, of unknown number - but certainly fewer than ever before - to help him to break havoc in the world.)

[@endermanwithalowercasee]

Here's a random question but instead of how'd you do TV shows over Agees and events, how wpuld you cover something smaller like the War of the Dwarves and Dragons or Great Plague as a film?

[@nathanodonovan6708]

We don't know Smaug's age, but we do know that he was young and not yet full-grown when he conquered Erebor in TA 2770. If Glaurung is any indication, it takes a dragon perhaps two centuries to mature if Glaurung is any indication but either way if he were to have participated in the First Age he definitely wouldn't be a young dragon at the time of the fall of Dale and Erebor. We also know that only two dragons which fought in the War of Wrath survived the end of the conflict, though perhaps not all dragons took part, or all subsequent dragons are descended of this pair. Given all that, Smaug is certainly not one of the dragons that took part in the Elder Days.

[@lordgimpsbury2515]

Love Tulkas, always ready to give Sauron the ol' divine atomic elbow. Gotta respect a godlike being who just loves to get physical and throw down, then go home to his beautiful wife and party so hard he enters a party coma. Literally no flaws.

[@jakealter5504]

I would’ve asked who gil gilads mother was