The Top 5 Countries in Victoria 3 (And Why They're So Strong)

[@KrazyKrab7]

Honestly, I disagree. The UK is particularly weak against the loud car outside.

[@generalistgaming]

True if big

[@YossarianWro]

It's the sound of low infrastructure in the US

[@ilayohana3150]

​@@generalistgamingit's big.

[@YakubMyBeloved]

​@@YossarianWrous built autos? don't they know the pm sucks

[@flopus7]

"I personally think Protestant is better" The inquisition would like to know your location

[@carlospepitos153]

Switch Germany with China and you get the UN permanent security council as the top 5

[@mathew4430]

Lmao

[@albertorpinell]

Legit one of the best tutorials, bro gives a detailed explanation for each country. Keep the grind :)

[@Shaddarhim]

A big plus for Prussia: they can have a lot of investment agreements with all the small german states which means you can use their free construction to get a speedboost. If they build a construction center you can also use their investment pool.

[@N4tticus]

I'd cast my vote for strongest country to Paraguay. While it is extreme cheese, Paraguay is likely the fastest country to world conquest and can do so while remaining at very low infamy. You can also get an absurd number of primary cultures which might allow for an effective late game switch to ethnostate (though multiculturalism is probably still better because I don't think you can get Han primary). That being said, your tech is bad and the time before you form Turtle Island is essentially lost. I can see arguments for and against Paraguay, but I was surprised not to see it in the honorable mentions at least.

[@hellokittygaming42069]

Could you explain the cheese, or where i could find the cheese?

[@N4tticus]

@@hellokittygaming42069 Toby has a good video on it if you search Toby Turtle Island. The basics are: - Start as Paraguay - Day 1 declare war on Brazil for some coastal states so you can build boats - Win war thanks to enlistment effort decrees - Improve relations with every single GP - Build navy invade Texas (Texas has to be independent, if they get annexed by mexico or US you have to restart) - Once you have texas, move capital to Parana and give all your states to Brazil and argentina except for Parana which Brazil has a claim on - Once truce with Brazil is over, declare war on them for something random and they will ask for their remaining state back. Back down in this play to give their last state back. Now your capital is Texas - Form Turtle Island via decision in the journal - Click funny turtle island button and annex every GP who has territory in north america that you border who has relations 25+ with you Its trivial to annex the US, Russia, Mexico, and GB with this strategy. You can also annex a bunch of other nations by giving them territory in north america then hitting the button to annex them.

[@dakpickels7412]

​@hellokittygaming42069 Look up turtle island exploit, Paraguay can can annex all of america, and all of mexico, and all of great britain by pressing a button and they used to be able to annex Russia as well bit that has since been patched out which sucks

[@yipepepe]

You can form turtle island with any other nation if you release and play as subject correctly, (I believe generalist made a video using France), with the fastest and more beneficial way I have tried being with France

[@hellokittygaming42069]

@@yipepepe oh yeah i remember generalist explaining that! Thanks for telling me!

[@kieranking3045]

lol that darn Athabaska is even holding back the all-powerful British Republic! Hope they fix that soon.

[@xdreamztv]

Thanks for mentioning my strat and posting the vid :)

[@MANFAIC]

I tried the mutual investment strat for Prussia that I saw in your test stream, and I think it is insanely strong. The 50-100 free construction from all of the German minors is huge, but it comes with the downside of generating a bunch of bugged financial districts when you annex them.

[@Nighato]

as I told Generalist in the stream it's more like 300

[@MANFAIC]

@@Nighato Yeah the theoretical limit is much higher than 100, but to do that you'd need to give obligations to all of them (which they will use to force you into an alliance as soon as you have free diplo). They also don't always use their 10 free construction no matter what you do. Sometimes their building AI just turns off for a while.

[@meatharbor]

I believe the French anarchist you're looking for was Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, the first d00d to self-identify as an anarchist.

[@SuperAndrewization]

20 views in 1 minute, man general is really peaking rn

[@generalistgaming]

Nah, I peaked in high school

[@rjdim]

@@generalistgaming best victoria 3 player and still in high school!

[@antimaster6432]

@@generalistgaming nah bro, if you can come up with bits like vic3 dating tutorial and pseudo-pseudo intelectual, you haven't even peaked in peaking, the peak will never stop peaking.

[@won_topgun]

2:30 Switzerland Still Neutral

[@generalistgaming]

🫡

[@tuskular]

Id say that even just northern Germany is still 2nd place as all the mini states have 10 construction so are going to be building the whole time for a good 10 years until everyone has formed nationalism, you could argue that you have an extra 100+ construction from game start. The only advantage Austria has is you can form Germany earlier within the first 10 years by making Prussia a minor power, but yeah the tech difference is huge, the only other thing id say is that your econ is bigger you you can support more construction before formation and just tunnel on boiler to explode you construction. But id still say Prussia is significantly better.

[@juicebox6581]

I find it easier to form mega germany with Austria because day 1 ur military is stronger than Prussia so u can liberate and humiliate them into being a minor power at game start. Then work on either getting them as a protectorate or just liking u for the next 10 years. Forming mega germany around 1845-1850 happens and then u just can't lose cause by now ur eco is crazy good

[@generalistgaming]

People in my discord have been speedrunning it as fast as 1842 in my discord as Prussia, but speedrunning it might not be optimal anyway. As the player you can day 1 Austria as Prussia, you just probably shouldn’t

[@charles-frederickgauthier3202]

I think it would be interesting to make a video talking about the double abdication strategy for russia, where you can end up with your parliamentary republic in two years from the start, along with laissez faire if you managed to get your corn laws popped early. For super germany, the formation being possible before 1842 by rushing the t3 colonisation tech as prussia is quite insane and can be reproduced pretty consistently

[@LtVadim]

Odea for the video: most interesting starts, considering Journal entries, formable nations, unique problems etc. Something to be fresh and different from standard runs.

[@connorvic3]

As you were talking about the french anarchist just wanted to mention that if you go council republic after staying it for 5 years you finish a je thst lets you pick either an anarchist communist or vanguardist so this may be how you get multiculturalism

[@Lersion]

35:35 Wait, you can feed land from one subject to another? Is this some trick I've never learned?

[@generalistgaming]

Transfer state in subject interactions

[@Clear4ce]

You really cant play late game GB without moving market capital to mainland Europe. Last run I had 100k convoys and still a 15% access penalty. Moved my trade capital to Germany and boom: 50k spare convoys. Also honorable mention to the bank roll meta. Last GB run I got all GPs (except Russia, because the game wants you to hate them as UK) as subjects for free by: 1. Getting a trade agreement for good relations 2. Helping them in a war for a bank roll 3. Watch them default and tick down to minor power. 4. Watch them revolt because everyone is mad that they are paying me all the money 5. Helping them in said revolution for a become subject deal. Because remember kids: I'm the good guy!

[@arirahikkala]

29:55 Good ol' PJ Proudhon.

[@DefinitelySpirit]

As an anarchist, him saying "I don't remember" is so upsetting but also unsurprising

[@meatharbor]

On Plekhanov being a SocDem, I believe that's correct both in-game and in the IRL. He was one of the first if not _the_ first of the Russian Marxists and even co-founded the Marxist paper, Iskra, along with folks like Axelrod and Lenin, which eventually led to the creation of the Russian Social-Democratic Labor Party. Eventually, he had a falling-out with Lenin's crew, primarily on the subject of the subordination of bourgeois democracy to the dictatorship of the proletariat. Of course, this eventually led to the party splitting into the Menshevik and Bolshevik factions with Plekhanov eventually even trying to frame Lenin and the Bolsheviks as German agents. Which is super funny 'cause you can get the Menshevik Party much earlier than the Bolshevik party in-game.

[@bricelevai8520]

I would assume PDX certainly didn’t intend for the EIC popping exploit and will fix it eventually… did you hear anything about that?

[@generalistgaming]

This is probably under their list of "it's an exploit, but if players want to play with it that's on them" - like Turtle Island is more egregious, but I don't think they intend on removing it

[@callenilsson2123]

@@generalistgaming What is Turtle Island? :)

[@generalistgaming]

@@callenilsson2123 it let's you freely annex adjacent countries w/ like 5 exceptions basically.

[@bricelevai8520]

@@generalistgamingthat’s very unfortunate to hear as it’s basically accepting a poor designed system… thanks though. I would be interested in hearing your ranking playing without exploits, and not « meta » which is basically entirely made of immersion breaking exploits and cheeses. For example, in my Germany run, GB is going insane on infamy, so EIC has a high liberty desire, working on supporting their independence.

[@grahamturner2640]

@@callenilsson2123 it’s a journal entry for civilized Native American countries that allows them to annex other Native American countries for free, integrating their culture as well. The exploit is in the way the confederation button is coded, as you only have to share a heritage trait with a primary culture you have, not specifically Native American primary cultures.

[@sigmarthegreat4693]

I think your starting to hear planes again lol

[@grahamturner2640]

In that France run, you seem to have stayed on Interventionism.

[@generalistgaming]

Going onto LF was the first thing I did iirc, it just looks like it

[@grahamturner2640]

@@generalistgaming considering the investment pool ratio, that’s why I thought you weren’t on LF.

[@generalistgaming]

@@grahamturner2640 They don't get the happy Industrialist bonus since theirs is different.

[@zioming]

1:02:50 And you'll likely have Petit Bourgeoisie be powerful if you have Charles Dickens as your king (based on my last run).

[@DefinitelySpirit]

Don't forget the Dutch East indies. It's a power house once you get independence.

[@jacbar_01]

Among the non-great powers (unrecognized uncluded), which countries would be a top 5?

[@kfoelsch]

RE- USA bankrolls: I grab Texas when I can super early to grab USA bankrolls which often come from Native American revolts in the midwest

[@kenop.7059]

Wake up babe there's a loud car outside

[@socii1x0231h]

Can you make a ottoman guide for this patch? Getting Tanzimat reforms are easy but industrialization is very hard since you are surrounded by aggressive GPs and millions of radicals your country has.

[@beasou654]

As Britain, is there any reason to federalize Canada and Australia? Doesn’t that just lose you authority? Also is there any reason to use the resources decree and why not use a manufacturing decree in home counties? How far does the eventual decree spam go in the isles? Should you use colonial administrations or incorporate?

[@lazykatie42069]

Saw someone argue as a small country it's actually optimal to become a subject (at least early on) because it gives you the benefits of joining a larger market and you can easily call in your overlord to help you conquer stuff normally above what you could handle, what do you think about this.

[@generalistgaming]

I need to experiment more, but I think the biggest benefit of being a subject is that you get locked at minor power, which makes way more countries eligible to bankroll you

[@lazykatie42069]

@@generalistgaming yeah that was listed as a benefit too, tho it was more for infamy reasons than bankroll reasons because you get less infamy when conquering shit as a minor power

[@generalistgaming]

@@lazykatie42069 yeah, there's a lot going on there. Esp because unincorporated stacks additively. You used to be able to tank yourself to minor/major power as the USA, you still might be able to do it.

[@Salv2137]

germans can subjugate ottomans and egypt having land connection to entire old world, while uk can be blockaded

[@austinquinn476]

It's so weird that you didn't mention Persia or Vietnam (So much fun to play honestly, 10/10 for both)

[@nakkihammeri]

Yo nice vid. Here is some of my experiences. I dont use bankroll wargoals. I formed super Germany 1844 august and reached 1B GDP 1880. most optimal run atm for me for Prussia. And as Qing I reach 1B 1878. 2 years earlier, and very optimized run. I have played UK few times but I find myself running out of workforce in integrated states before I reach 1B so I personally rate Prussia higher. Im not saying Qing is better than Prussia but by standard of speed which i reach 1B GDP it is.

[@generalistgaming]

If the metric was hitting 1b GDP asap I'd probably have Qing considerably higher, yeah

[@tuskular]

There is no way this is possible on the the new GDP calculations, are you talking about when Victoria 3 first came out? The closest I ever got was around £400M as Qing and that's going full production, with 3000 construction by year 1871, even with super optimisation there is no way its close to 1B that early

[@chaos8633]

@@tuskular It is possible. There is even a tutorial on a Chinese website showing how to reach 1B as Qing in 30 years in 1.7.

[@SuperAndrewization]

​@@chaos8633 could you let me know what you searched to find it

[@tuskular]

@@chaos8633 Your telling me someone got 1B by year 1866? yeah I call bs

[@KalininSecuritySolutions-fz4vh]

33:52 something is so funny about a political movement in the background to enact public health insurance in the US

[@Mthought]

@generalistgaming wdym when you say transfer subject to reduce infamy? (like EIC to awadh 1:07:28) i think i just missed a mechanic, also as always nice vid! Also it seems that the investment rights to subjects have been patched

[@generalistgaming]

You use the "Grant State" action in overlord actions to transfer states from one subject to another. They won't be incorporated, and they'll be on an unrecognized country, so it'll be like 15% the infamy to annex them after modifiers.

[@Mthought]

@@generalistgaming oh i didnt knew it was possible to give state u dont own that supernice tysm

[@dodec8449]

Unpopular opinion: world conquest should be (almost) impossible in this game.

[@rkcsta2]

Do you use any mods?

[@generalistgaming]

No

[@sveinhongset4725]

i think austria or prussia is the easyest if they got the tec when they are doing war with eatchother

[@DashoechsteWassertier]

Now do a 5 worst Countries (and why they're so weak)

[@DonutOfNinja]

What about releasing yourself as a native and doing an easy turtle nation

[@generalistgaming]

You can form Turtle Island as either France or Qing - France gives you T1 tech and Qing gives you sericulture.

[@Stg31799]

I need a USA bankroll tutorial...

[@ilayohana3150]

51:26 oranj-oh.

[@abhishekchaudhari913]

Good stuff👍

[@tutugry3105]

So uk is the best country to play tall because of the subjects and the starting capitalists and the best country to play wide because of Dickens Double? 😐

[@generalistgaming]

They are the best country, yes.

[@generalistgaming]

They shop the big 'n tall section.

[@pitagoras3978]

The queen has the name of the game, of course he's the best

[@Morry_tm]

Isn't France the best because it's the easiest country to form turtle island with?

[@generalistgaming]

I'm excluding Turtle Island here, but technically it's between France and Qing as Qing gets the sericulture tech, and might be better to have under your control earlier

[@joshuahellier4093]

Yeah I encountered 0% interest as the UK the other day; absolutely insane, I guess the capitalists are really worried about deflation or something?! After the 1.8 patch I was finding that the UK was having some difficulties due to the EIC having trouble with the princely states (they ended up in a big war against a coalition of them, which I couldn't join because I was both of their overlords); is there an easy way around this sort of issue?

[@generalistgaming]

Not that I know of? You can try decreasing their subject payments and/or bankrolling them

[@joshuahellier4093]

@generalistgaming yeah I was using Exploitation of Members (because authority and diplo) so they were probably extra poor; maybe I could run that with reduced tribute to not kill them... I saw your EIC run, paying the tribute suuuuuucks for them, no wonder they were having problems!

[@BigManInCanada]

Love how russia gets all those resource bonus than canada across the lake gets bitch slapped with 23 logging camps in quebec/ontario with forests the size of the EU. *sad canada noises*

[@generalistgaming]

Canada and Australia both need a rework

[@thatch7653]

that's my boi right there

[@generalistgaming]

Boiii!

[@TheRacy]

UK is OP post patch

[@MAGWA]

oh no yo-yo sway renamed reverse sway cause of nerf?

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah you don’t get the fear bonus anymore, just overriding the 1k malus

[@connorvic3]

How dare generalist say uk way better than prussia

[@generalistgaming]

The truth hurts 🤷‍♂️

[@juicebox6581]

It frustrates me that these companies make such drastic changes to single player games to "balance" them. Like 1.8 gonna force russia to not allow abdicating ruler. Oh great the new update now makes me suffer more for longer. Great content! Updates should be qol not making u dislike it more. If people wanna cheese strats, let them. Its a singleplayer game. Maybe make separate rules for multi-player only.

[@alcidestavares9565]

Plz, make a china video, without expansion, going communist, but investing in other countrys, and making a PB trade league... just do the thing china is going this days

[@winter20k67]

Dell-Hee

[@sk37chyznonegiven2]

I disagree because I think Prussia is stronger. No, I will not elaborate, I'm commenting for the algorithm.

[@ilayohana3150]

Btw its pronounced "deli"

[@patricebarrau308]

British as republicans is ridiculous