The Top Ten WORST Skills: Darkest Dungeon

[@SpacewardJarl92]

Timestamps: Look at your own risk. I recommend watching the video through fully. 0:00 Introduction/Ranking System 1:23 Festering Vapours - Antiquarian 2:48 Caltrops - Bounty Hunter 5:48 Tracking Shot - Highwayman 9:08 Hand of Light - Vestal 11:14 Battle Heal - Crusader 13:26 Fortifying Vapours - Antiquarian 15:31 Blindfire - Musketeer/Arbalest 17:14 Toxin Trickery - Grave Robber 19:03 Purge - Leper 22:21 Solo - Jester 24:38 Honorable Mentions (HM) 24:44 (HM) Smokescreen - Arbalest/Musketeer 25:33 (HM) Bleedout - Hellion 26:19 (HM) Open Vein - Highwayman 27:21 (HM) Flashing Daggers - Grave Robber 28:13 (HM) Incision - Plague Doctor 28:51 Concluding Thoughts/Outro

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you and pinned!

[@SpacewardJarl92]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming idk if this is possible but I think you can put these timestamps into the description so they show up when viewing the video in full screen, but that's just up to you if you would like to do it.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Should be in there now!

[@SpacewardJarl92]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming my OCD is kicking in hard. You forgot the concluding thoughts/outdo. Sorry for being demanding.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

No problem. I was in the rabbit hole of the comments so I was hasty! Never again I shall I miss it. Thank you :)

[@thickveinysausage3062]

Gonna have to disagree with you on the Antiquarian moves chief. Festering might not be a lot of damage, but it's an omni range move that can hit every rank and can be used from any rank. It's best utilized to finish off low health backliners and helping deal with high prot enemies. On top of that in mid to late game it starts outdamaging Nervous Stab and has much better accuracy. Fortifying Vapors and Battle Heal don't belong on the list for the simple fact that they can be used on other characters to get them off Death's Door. You mentioned in the video how the heal doesn't matter cause that same character is just going to hit 0 HP again next round, but yes it does, you just avoided taking an additional Death's Door check. Granted, the point of Antiquarian is to reduce the incoming damage by either raising the team's dodge or lowering the enemy's accuracy rather than trying to outheal it, but having a backup heal in case something goes wrong is never a bad thing. Also no her heal does not go up to 14 with a crit, healing caps at +100% meaning it can only ever go up to 6 and crit for 12. I'm more or less surprised that Get Down didn't make the list, it's by far her most situational move (which is what the criteria of the video was about) because outside of somewhat fixing your party's positioning it doesn't do much to benefit anyone other than the Antiquarian using it.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for sharing and the antiquarian skills were a little bit of pitfall for me. I was comparing her to others which was not exactly the greatest way to do it since she is made to be weaker. I will be updating this soon. I do understand your arguments for both of the skills. Regarding the healing, I was talking about if someone has an hp trinket that increases healing received by 40%. If it caps out at 100% in total, nevermind then :). Also, get down will most likely make an appearance in the update video.

[@tteottaninguiayami]

I personally use Festering vapours in a comp with Grave robber, since she deals extra damage to blighted targets and I didn't want her to waste a turn with poison darts

[@qwormuli77]

Battle heal DOES belong on the list, as Crusader already has a generally strictly better skill that can already do the sole function of Battle Heal. You most likely would never run both simultaneously and 90+% of the time you would use Inspiring Cry over BH, with the rare other way around being just unimportant slight recovery optimization. What Battle heal represents and functions as is literally a wasted skill slot, which is one of the most restricted resources in the game.

[@The_OwO_Shogun]

@@tteottaninguiayami OHMYGOD THATS SO SMART THANK YOU! I just could never tell which I should take, darts or knife, now I don't have to choose! Nice!

[@The_True_Meller]

@@tteottaninguiayamiYep, this is a good combo I like to use too. The Antiquarian is a sort of marker for the GR.

[@tephriaz]

I would hate solo, if only the sprite used in it wasn't my favourite in the entire game. Come on. He just looks like he's having a grand time. Look at the funky jester go! Let the boy slide, Squidz.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Haha he does look and sound like he is having fun. When I get to the top 10 abilities, I can put in a good word for him.

[@raden1287]

Which is why i just prefer the old version where he debuffs the entite enemy parrty

[@Padlocsempe]

Blindfire is not necessarily useless. If there is only one enemy left and it's in the front position, you can't hit it with Sniper Shot, but you can with Blindfire. At that point the target is not random anymore, and you deal almost full damage. And this happens quite regularly, so for this purpose I run my Arbalest with Blindfire.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That's fair. I typically just revert to flairs or healing as I stun control or finish off the enemy.

[@Padlocsempe]

@@tewsgcdcfgechk908 Blindfire doesn't target corpses, that's why it's useful in certain situations

[@MisterAssasine]

if you use it on turn 1, the speed can also allow you to finish an enemy off with Sniper Shot before it can do it's 2nd action

[@kaputamas2824]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming When it comes to the Arbalest I never understood Bola. Useless, low damage and the dislocation does not really affect the enemy party usually.

[@borgsie]

I don't know, man. Purge is very useful for the Corpse Clear alone. Especially if you bring him in Ruins. Scenario - You're in the Ruins, you encounter the typical Shieldwall/Shieldwall/Bearer/Sharpshooter. Your backliners down the Sharpshooter, but left a corpse. Leper, with it's low SPD will usually go last. Purge the corpse on your turn and the Bone Bearer can't revive it. There you go. You've basically removed the most threatening of that encounter.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That's not a bad point. If the row versatility was a little better I would have moved it off this list for sure.

[@scimitaradp]

Purge is almost always my no 4 ability in the Leper. In a team with the Leper, rank 1 and 2 of the enemy don't usually last long so the corpse clear is really useful. Also 105 acc helps ensure last hits.

[@roladarolada60]

Lepr job is NOT "killing" dead ememies, he shold kill living enemies! Your supports should do corps clear job for him, your cultist or doc.

[@Dragonmyth-tx7vt]

The thing is is if you have a bone bearer looking to revive a bone general and the bone general is really low, if you use purge to kill him you get a GUARANTEED corpse clear on death

[@a-casual-king7634]

@@roladarolada60 what other ability are you gonna use. for general purpose fights my go to on leper is chop hew purge solemnity. the other 3 abilities he has are not needed for normal fights that tend to be shorter they are better for bosses. and purge also has that knockback which can make a nasty frontline dps enemy nearly useless.

[@crukih7527]

I feel like half of these skills are more for boss fights than random encounters, and the other half I often take to save someone on death's door with a quick, albeit crappy heal. I just really like that safety net.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I would agree and I tried to reason why I felt that way (the dirty secret is, almost every skill has a time and place in this game). The safety nets can be good but that is why I think inspiring cry is way better than battle heal. Fortifying vapours is okay if you want her to heal and ward off deaths door I just think overall it is only acceptable because of that aspect.

[@crukih7527]

You got me with the crusader. One skill does a crappy heal and some stress relief, the other is just a crappy heal. No competition at that point 😂.

[@huntersowards3409]

@@crukih7527 Crusader can heal base 12's, I personally find that rather useful, though I can see why devoting two trinket slots to get that is rather pointless.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

At the end of the day I play a more aggressive crusader which appears to be different than most people. I like inspiring cry as a backup heal and not main. If you like him as a main heal it's decent then but I felt the character is better in offensive roles. That is a preference which is why it is up here. Not saying his healing is bad but if you don't really work towards getting battle heal to a high amount it feels lack luster. I have seen plenty of people on here say though they like the heal to get above 2 to 3 hp above some dot checks which makes sense. Just not my cup tea again.

[@ShuffleFM]

I don't think the comparison of tracking and revenge holds up. Revenge still suffers the same issue of having to get a few swings in before the value events out. It has no on hit damage, and leper takes more damage as a result of it. Tracking has on hit damage, reach, and the bonus to accuracy and damage are very welcome on riposte. Both moves are a massive tempo loss, but if tracking is bad for that reason then revenge is still not good in a not-boss fight for the same reason. Hand of light opens up bonk vestal. Same reason revenge is useful, it helps vestal while doing on hit damage. Illumination is just really bad imo. It is way worse than any of the others. I'd put zealous, bulwark, or smite under battle heal. Even without trinkets it can heal someone past a dot death's door check, and with trinkets it lets crusader solo heal very reliably. It's not just about saving someone from dd though. Wrapping up a fight and stalling for some extra healing it does a solid job. You also don't waste an entire turn saving them from dd. You prevent them from dying if they get double tapped. The only way it's truly a waste is if crusader could have finished the fight the same turn instead, but a lot of other factors come in like what enemy is it and what are speeds looking like for next turn. You can also bring battle heal alongside occultist if you are worried about him screwing you with a bad roll. Yeah it's inefficient on turns, but it's insurance. Bleed out is fantastic. The - damage penalty does not exist honestly. It takes 2 swings before it's a factor, and hellion's crit bonus is bonus damage vs bleed so spamming it is a lot of effective damage. Nuking your own speed against a big single target with bleed out is usually warranted. Open vein is often more effective damage if the enemy has prot, which most frontliners have. Plus lowering their speed and not killing them outright since they can bleed out at the end of the turn instead really helps in squeezing out some more heals. Some of the other stuff I agreed with, but it's more fun to talk about differences :D Keep up the good work dude.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for watching and I do agree differences are where the conversation is at typically :). Hand of light, I personally think bonk vestal is more for fun than practical. She can work and has, but I think in the second position, I would just rather stun the third position than do some chip shot damage. High protection based enemies typically sit in the front, so following up with mace bash can feel lack luster to me. Illumination is a skill I will occasionally take out for my 3rd position vestals. I typically don't find myself using judgement a lot in my fourth row so I take that off because the stun is too good to replace. But, I have had other people on here tell me illumination is bad so I may be odd man out. Tracking shot vs Revenge. It may not be the best reason, but in my head, I see the leper as needing revenge or some significant accuracy boost to make him better. I think overall the highwayman is so strong from the get go, I want him riposting, point blanking someone, or just generic wicked slicing someone. I don't mind the wait on the leper because his damage upside almost always makes up for it with one crit or even a high chop or hew damage. I have been learning I play the crusader in a very different direction and prioritize inspiring cry way more than battle and I don't want both on. So my personal knowledge and experience clouded this choice. I do see a lot of people like it on, but I prefer the full offense array on mine (smite, zealous or stun (depending if I have one yet), holy lance, and inspiring cry). Bleed out, I agree that typically the fights are over before it becomes a huge issue which is why I passed on it for sure. Thank you again and keep up the work yourself!

[@ShuffleFM]

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[@GreatOne_1]

You are still alive and DD with you. Wow I'm never gonna deinstall DD

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for watching!

[@Username156-n3y]

I already delete DD after 1100 hours. Waiting to DD2

[@ronnickels5193]

I got back into DD recently. I just lost a champion jester and a hound master.

[@mysteriousdonkey4624]

You forgot to mention open vein has 10 more accuracy than wicked slice which is MASSIVE

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That is true. The 10 accuracy is huge so wicked will need a little more assistance.

[@Eloxist]

To be honest, your criteria for why you consider these abilities "bad" is very good. Aka, only situationally good or way better options, with that it mind it makes sense you consider abilities like Caltrops bad or less good than other stuff. The only one I would really disagree with is Antiquarian's festering vapors. I think that Nervous stab is much MUCH worse and meanwhile yeah, it's pretty meh in terms of damage it can still stack blight with a Plague doctor/Grave robber or have synergy with GR's bonus damage on blighted enemies. It also helps to bring down high prot enemies or to finish that one dude that lived with one hp for reasons. Like if I had to pick a damaging ability for Antiquarian it'd be FV > Nervous stab 100% of the time. I do like the fact that most of these abilities have uses even if Niche ones.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That is a good case about nervous being worse than festering the only reason why I didn't in this video was I tried to avoid just generic attack abilities like that. I mention something about the leper's chop looking bad until you realize the damage he can do on a critical strike. But nervous stab is pretty weak for sure. Thank you for watching!

[@vezz9820]

I learnt caltrops is an ability from butcher´s circus (500 hours playtime)

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Haha it is way better in butchers than the normal game just like festering vapours for the antiquarian.

[@szarkuwu]

Honestly I think either Zelous or Bulwark of Faith are worst Crusader skills. Zelous is a mediocore cleave that starts with only 85 acc and only ever goes up to 105 which isnt great. Additionally it has 40% damage penalty which isnt that bad until you concider it only hits frontliners and frontliners have Prot so the damage will be even lower. Being useable only from 1st and 2nd rank while not great its not the worst either so i give it sort off a pass. But thats all there is to it. No special properties or debuffs. Its almost unesable against bosses too. Zelous is very simmilar to Hew but by far the biggest downside of Zelous is being Crusaders only ranged skill meaning it doesnt synergise with Quirks and Trinkets damage Crusader would want like Ancestors Pen, Surgical Gloves, Slugger or Precise Striker. Bulwark of Light by itself is situational at best and damaging at worst. Mark tanking is unrealiable since enemies can still choose to attack someone else and not all enemies are even swayed by Mark. At level 5 Bulwark gives 30% Prot and Marks you. Brawlers deal +50% damage to Marked, Spiders deal +100%, Fungal Scracher +50% and better Acc, Carrion Eater +100%, Large Carrion Eater +100%. Against those enemies you increase damage taken and those enemies appear in all zones and endgame. Spending a turn on selfbuffing defense instead of Stunning as Crusader just isnt good seeing that you prevent 100% of enemies damage that turn when you stun them. Darkest Dungeon rewards offensive play or control over defensive play a whole lot. And again Bulwark is only ranks 1 and 2. Battle Heal meanwhile can be used at any rank from any rank. With right trinkets like Crusaders CC and Ancestors Scroll and potentially Hipocratic or District it becomes a really strong heal that not only picks up people from Deaths Doors but also prevents them to hit Death Doors again in one hit unlike Inspiring Cry. Being useable anywhere is also an amazing boon to have only Occultist and Flagellant have that property aside from Crus and their heals have strings attached to them. It means Crusader is the prefered healer for a dance heavy comps since he can also participate in dancing you can have Highwayman Shieldbreaker Crusader and Grave Robber all constantly shift positions with their skills but Crusader will be able to pick someone from deaths doors regardless where he ends. It also applies to surprise or bosses that like to mess with your positioning. What it means is that Crusader is the most reliable healer in the game.

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

And do you know which ability is so bad you actually forgot it exists??? Suffer. That's right.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Haha I avoided DLC characters (should have mentioned that) but yeah I was thinking that for the video. It's just the weird ability really. Thank you for sharing!

[@gamemaster2638]

Suffer, actually, nice skill. Your hero got heavy bleed/blight? Or under mark pressure? Flagellant transfer it to himself to quickly access his Exsanguinate/Redeem skills, while getting huge buff reducing incoming stress and get extra death blow resist. Endure, however, is more tricky skill, which I never use.

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

@@gamemaster2638 wdym, you just have to level it up once or twice. At max it's an 8 stress swing which is decent tbh, and flag has -50 stress on a camping skill

[@RanVor]

The Hand of Light is the most fun garbage skill I've ever seen. You have to basically cripple your vestal to make good use of it, but playing endless healbot vestals gets boring very quickly and an occasional close combat build adds much-needed variety. Just remember that she's not your main healer anymore.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I will not argue about the change up on her. I have taken her out on a couple of ruin dungeons before in row 2 just for fun.

[@chacehorsman2615]

The thing about Bleed Out is the fact that the damage debuff is offset by the buff she gets against bleeding targets when she crits. I believe its 10% more than the debuff. So assuming you get the bleed from the skill or someone else bleeds the target that she then attacks, you can essentially negate the debuff.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That's fair. The row versatility is my biggest worry.

[@Khrene]

16:50 Arb mark build Mark/Heal/Blindfire/Shoot Arb/BH/Hound/Occ She almost always is the one carrying the scouting trinket (she's never going first anyway) while everyone else is specced for speed. The point of this ability is to end hallway fights. So many times a front row enemy is left with less than 10 HP and everyone is basically topped off. Hit Blindfire, the fight ends, and you take the speed buff into the next fight which regularly leads to surprises. I understand that's VERY situational, but it still fits in her kit. As in, I don't spec around Blindfire in order to find utility in it unlike Suppressing Fire. The point of the Arb is to delete backline enemies. Suppressing Fire assumes I'm going to keep the backline alive in order for those debuffs to get value.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for watching. Suppressing fire and arba mark are going to be talked about in a follow up video. Listening to the community has helped me reshape how I think about some of these skills which is awesome.

[@dwreanchinotan]

you use caltrops when you want to take bounty hunter on a non mark focus team that still wants to do bonus damage. yeah, i don't use it much either

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I understand but it's just not my favorite ability in his toolset. Agreed on that

[@GarlicPops]

Incision is a great ability if you are bringing PD to the Warrens or Weald, specially with bloody herb. The two times I went to the third Darkest Dungeon quest I brought a PD with Incision and it saved my ass in both of them, the first time I got a crit on the right time and right place and the second one was one PD got pulled to rank 1 by a flesh hound and my flagellant got pushed to rank 4, so I just started spamming incision while flagellant healed others with reclaim. I love incision as an ability, I do think it deserves more love

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I do like incision on the plague doctor as well. Thank you for watching!

[@facebookuser1653]

Purge sounds goddamn badass, that alone makes worth bringing imo

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That's fair and some people really like it as well!

[@belzebubukas]

18:53 The fact that you have Toxin Trickery fully upgraded and haven't even unlocked Flashing Daggers implies this statement is false

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I can explain that but I see your point now! I really don't like either of the abilities but in the past I used flashing daggers more. I had to fully buy toxin trickery and just forgot about flashing daggers as well.

[@craniifer]

I'm paranoid enough about Leper's accuracy to run Purge. And I'm saying this as someone that loves to run Jester's Battle Ballad.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I'm beginning to see many leper people really like purge. It's probably one of my least favorite skills but if it's good for people don't let it stop you :)

[@kilmorecombine0]

I'm not sad. I'm just disappointed in myself for not thinking about these abilities more thoroughly.

[@raden1287]

For those who keep saying "nervous stabs" the guy mention he avoid putting generic attack in the list on purpose considering those are tied more the hero stats than actual ability itself

[@levinseve3471]

Also nervous stab is actually pretty solid because it can be used in any spot and hit any spot. The extra 3-7 damage can be life or death.

[@chudyjoza]

BH is one of my favourites, so I have to defend Caltrops heh. I think that caltrops is mostly for Bosses fight, just like you said. Majority of bosses sits on a backrow (only 8/12/16 pounder will never get there and you don't really want to do caltrops on it), so if the debuff goes through, boss can be screwed no matter what kind of comp you're running (excluding leper obviously). I would also like to point out how satysfying it is to run caltrops - while playing against swine god i had managed to deal 112 with no crit on hellion, and it would be only 70 if not +60% damage taken from caltrops. I recommend it - Take Maa, Bh, Occ and Hellion against swine king and have fun (don't forget to use camp tho) And I also don't think it is the best skill in game, nor do I think it should be on this list. It is just fine. I totally agree on sidearm and Blindfire being freaking worthless, like, literally worthless. You can't do anything with those, furthermore, when compare it to other skills of arbo it is just kind of joke. I think that every skill in a game has its use, excluding this. I don't really agree on rally to the flame being on this list, mostly because HP is always useful, and even 5-6 points of hp can matter in DD for example. Especially that you can be healing your other heroes for 2 rounds, (Which is already 10-16 HP) when you have only Rapturous Cultist/Bone Courtier/Brigand Fusilier left on 1st row.

[@Jonathan.w.]

caltrops is trash, in a boss fight if your bounty hunter is just spamming caltrops then you sucks at party composition, bounty hunter just want to spam collect bounty on marked bosses and stun on regular dungeons.

[@chudyjoza]

@@Jonathan.w. well, my bounty hunter wants something more from life. Besides, i have also clearly pointed out that caltrops works for me really well on Bosses, i haven't written anything about regular dungeons.

[@fishy4275]

Caltrops is a fine skill imo. Allows BH to contribute backiline damage with the debuff when he runs out of targets up front

[@Jonathan.w.]

@@fishy4275 why caltrop when you can flashbang? even come hither which i'm not a fan of is way better than caltrops just because it counters skiver

[@huntersowards3409]

@@Jonathan.w. Caltrops is only useful on bosses honestly, as collect bounty cannot be used on many of them, and the 20% bonus damage that allies get on the said boss can stack up fast. Try it yourself sometime, it can be really fun. (Just don't use it for regular dungeons it's horrendous there.

[@larrydotson2625]

Blind fire would be good if it moved her back one space instead of buffing her speed. And caltrops sucks, just use come hither.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Blind fire did need something else but just isn't up to par :(

[@dexdood1857]

Tracking shot is easily one of the best buffs in game

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I believe I did another video where I took community input.

[@gustavolessaviana8747]

God, I don't even play DD anymore but I really love your videos and your content

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you! I've really enjoyed the last couple of videos, they bring out some emotions and fun conversations.

[@valarmis]

I think one thing that makes a list like this near impossible to make reliably is that every skill is of different quality in every dungeon, mission, and team. On top of that, you can swap skills in between battles, so if I happen to want Caltrops for a boss it's good on, I don't have to waste a slot on it until I'm walking in on the boss, then I can make the switch

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I agree that saying anything is bad all the time is difficult. This game is very balanced and nuanced.

[@colinburke8389]

Surprised you didn't put rallying flare up there. Useful for the Swine King/against certain mark enemies, so it's situationally good.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I think the ability has so many components ( increase torch, remove stuns, marks, removes everyone's stealth.) that it can have a place for defensive play.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Please watch the video first, but below are my quick responses to what I think will be the most controversial skills: Caltrops, it can work if you like doing that with DOT comps, but are many better abilities on him. Also, it does not output as much damage as a mark strategy and you have to rely on the debuff working. Mark comps often get more than 20% damage and more critical chance (houndmaster 100% damage on mark, so 5 times the damage). Tracking shot, it can be nice for the destealth then into riposte for the extra damage. The destealth is only really good if both individuals in the backrow are stealthed. If one is visible not so much. Solo, as seen in the video, it does a lot of dodges but without max trinkets, quirks, districts, and skills, I think this ability is more of a gimmick and is probably not a normal skill you have. Purge, you could argue sending some people to the back rows or massive body clear is nice, but for the most part you can hew or chop at least one body away for next turns attack. Blindfire, I know some people like the anywhere part of it, but it has low accuracy and damage. Bola can at least hit the front two people and cause some nice shuffling. If you do find your arbalest or musketeer in position one or two just take the turn to get them back where they excel. The blindfire damage and randomness is too much to try and rely on them in that position. The speed is also eh since if you want to do a mark comp you want them to go after the marks have been put on.

[@theduhj]

Purge is skill you plan to use, not react with. I use it on my double leper double pd team. Turn 1, 1 pd buffs leper rank 2 (attack leper), other pd hits stun button. Leper in rank 2 is running revenge, chop hue and solem. rank 1 leper is running bolster hue solem and purge. There are situational set ups here depending on the enemy, but with vapors buff, most enemies in rank 2 get nuked after 2 chops, if its low enough prot, you may kill it in 1 in which case rank 2 lep hits revenge and rank 1 can bolster or hue depending on what you feel is better for that enemy. Turn 2 is the magic turn. Usually both pds will go before lep, if so both buff leper 2. If one goes after both lepers, then second pd back line stuns. Rank 2 leper finishes the rank 2 enemy leaving the corpse. Rank 1 leper does this very satisfying purge that clears rank 2 sending rank 1 to rank 3. Suddenly both back liners are in rank 1 and 2. Turn 3 is the double hue as both back liners are killed in the front line by a modest rank 1 accuracy improved hue and a beef cake monster hue out that grandslams them into corpse puddles. Stall as needed to healing up any wet noodles the enemy threw at yiu between turns 1 and 2 while the enemy that started in rank 1 tries to figure wtf just happened. Desperate to do something to your rank 1 leper as he laughs his stress off. This set up is really satisfying against enemies in the back line with high move resist for example the elite boner in the ruins. Instead of trying to move him with a weak ass bounty hunter or ocultist pull which fails to work, purge makes his allies dance around him until he finds himself staring down 2 stone faced lepers with a particular point to prove to reddit tier list makers.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I do agree that purge has a place like most skills in this game. If you plan a party around it, I do think it could be valuable. Thank you for sharing!

[@gdunknown4037]

Any close quarter combat skill on vestal, lol. I always put her in the back.

[@lazardragicevic5096]

I don't mind bonk vestal, I tried it once and it wasn't good but it wasn't boring either to keep it real

[@bobbob5007]

thats the way the game intends you to play her actually and if u do it right it works

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

It is a different feel for sure when you send her to row 2. You never quite know if she is gonna make it out alive with that HP and dodge!

[@PositivelyBonkers]

@@bobbob5007 If that's the way she's intended to be played, then why does she have so many skills that only work when she's in the back? Furthermore, these skills are way better than her frontline skills.

[@bobbob5007]

@@PositivelyBonkers woth profane scroll u can get dmg buff then damce someone past her and have a humungous heal buff and eben dmg buff with judgement at the same time

[@CoachingChaos]

You're hilarious, man. Funny stuff, no joke! :) I've used caltrops maybe once or twice in 600+ hours played, but I promise you if I ever consider it from now on I'll remember what you said and banish it to the dark realm posthaste! Subbed.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for watching and I am glad you enjoyed!

[@andreisora7366]

The only one I don’t fully agree on is purge. I feel like putting 3rd position into leper range is the best part of it and it’s even better if you have some other close range damage dealer that can hit the guy in the same round. Although I do agree I’ve used leper’s other skills more often apart from like withstand. I also want to mention that none of these skills are legitimately bad and just very situational (apart from antiquarian, but she’s supposed to kinda suck), which is kind of impressive from a game design standpoint

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I agree about none of the skills being straight up bad (maybe blindfire though, haven't thought that hard yet). I made a comment on here that the dirty secret of the video is, all these skills can have their moment to shine or of use. I do think some are way more situational which puts them as "bad" even though they could be okay to great in some scenarios.

[@huntersowards3409]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming True, though I feel like you really understated how useful a lot of the skills on this list are. granted, most abilities are really good so the slightly less useful ones are going to be put here, but battle heal and festering vapors are definitely not bad moves. Stopping someone from taking another death's door check and potentially crit healing them to a place where they won't be at death's door is so useful, something that inspiring rally (or whatever the other crusader heal is called) cannot do remotely as effectively.

[@richarizard4049]

The only one I have a problem with is Purge, shaking up the enemy party is always good in my opinion. I'd switch it on your list with flashing daggers

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Flashing daggers is pretty weird and I can understand the liking for purge. Not my personal cup of tea but I do see the uses for it.

[@VioletSilence]

1. Antiquarian is a very curious hero which has only 2 abilities in her skillset, and Festering Vapors is one of them. 2. Caltrops suck hard. Couldn't find any decent use for them whatsoever. 3. Tracking shot is useful in bossfights. That's pretty much it. 4. Bonk Vestal is fun, but not very effective. 5. Battle Heal has only one use: your main healers are too high level and you need someone as a healer for your low level party. Also can pair it with Arbalest/Musketeer heal. 6. Fortifying Vapors isn't the other ability I mentioned in 1. So it's pretty much nonexistent. 7. The only time Blindfire won me a game is when Arbalest 1 vs 1 Shambler's tentacle (all other heroes, second tentacle and Shambler were already dead). Otherwise utterly useless. 8. Toxin Trcikery... wtf even is that. 9. Purge has its uses, but not that many. Like, it upsets Bone Bearers and Hateful Viragos. 10. Dude, you for real? A setup for 2357236456 dmg crit Finale is a bad skill? Reconsider.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for sharing!

[@pielmao1963]

I've had Caltrops for The Crimson Court and both mentioned skilles for Antiquarian are good for full Antiquarian party It's nice to kinda check out unpopular ability sets I mean in terms of variety it's mostly what this game is about

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

The antiquarian I am going to go revisit in another video since I botched that. Caltrops can have a playstyle I just think there are other better possibilities with him. Not saying it is wrong to play that way, I just feel like it is his weakest.

[@1God1Fury]

I always have Blind fire for Arbalest and Purge for Leper. And as range highwayman or just in general I use trackingshot, because I can not stand stealth enemies who causing stress and debuffs. I don't rely for Rng to kill stealth enemies like witches in Weald, Shamans in Cove. *Blind fire* I always find it useful for any scenarios. When there is 2 remaining enemies in frontline, Arbalest can do almost full dmg against them and able to heal 1st in next round before your or enemy teams turn, really good for stalling. Other scenario when your arbalest was the last one in in turn 1, she used blind fire deal a decent amount of dmg and attack 1st in next round before enemies and your team, essentially have 2 turns. Keeping that speed buff she can respond to any dmg your team receive and heal, un-stun your ally. Blind fire is even more reliable for not mark team comps where arbalest don't have anyone to mark for her. Blindfire makes her more flexible and be quick dmg dealer or quick healer responder for next turns after blindfire. If Collector show up and if Arbalest went before him she can use blindfire to set up her speed and deal almost full dmg, while other heroes already have put mark on Collector. She will be 1st to attack for each round and 1st who can do emergency heal from deathsdoor. *Purge* Believe me or not, but this is one of best Lepers abilities. For starters it's high accuracy and with extra accuracy trinkets will guaranteed to hit, despite -40%dmg, it's still pretty decent dmg. Sending bone shield dudes, cultist brawlers, mushroom scratchers to the back helps to disable them and move 3rd and 4th position enemies close to your other heroes for a stun/skills that don't have high reach or mess up 3rd position enemy who moved to 2nd position. Leper can't always destroy corpses with one shot and if there is multiple - it feels like a wasted turn. *Another thing!* if you kill someone with Purge they will not leave corpses, even it wasn't a crit. Really good against Bone bearer and Viragos. Not to mention accuracy buff on top while you do these helpful move/corpse cleans. Purge eliminate need to do revenge, when it can buff and deal dmg at same time. Enemies like Spiders and cultist brawlers have decent enough dodge to dodge hew and chop, Purge is more of a guaranteed hit. Purge is an anti "Leper miss stereotype". Let me give you decent comps for Purge Leper: 1) Arbalest - Houndmaster - Vestal (yes position 2 vestal and with illumination) - Leper 2) Vestal - Man at arms - Crussader - Leper (Use Maa stun move to move crusader back to rank 3, but not infront of Leper). This team will absolutely mess up enemy team with Maa move stun + purge. Advised to have Intimidate against stealth and stress enemies. 3) Vestal - Jester - Hound master - Leper

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for taking the time to comment and share you thoughts on these abilities. I will be doing a new list and we'll talk about purge again in that video. I do like shuffling comps myself and I could see why it could be great against some enemy line ups. The only thing that made me put it on this list is the position one against position 1 hitting. It limits any real type of shuffling parties. Not that it always happens but I do like options. Thank you again!

[@1God1Fury]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming That's the gimmick of Leper who known to be die hard position 1 hero. Yes it's true he isn't really that good for shuffling parties. Leper is one of those heroes where you build team around him.

[@uwufemboy5683]

I recently started making a mod to rework the majority of the characters in Darkest Dungeon, and I feel so vindicated that literally every skill on this list was already in my top priority to buff/overhaul!

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Awesome!

[@justanotherfool8896]

I kinda agree on solo, but if you get tyrant finger(trinket from crimson court, which increases his speed by 3 and dodge by 20 on first position) your final bomb could be way more safer.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Solo is a weird one. I much prefer a dirk stab or to use it as an unshuffle skill.

[@morinor1340]

i much prefer festering vapours over nervous stab. It hits anywhere everywhere, it hits reliably even with her CoM trinket on, and it can build up nicely with the debuff. Anti isnt there to do dmg anyways, at least most of the time. And for quad anti festering vapours is the main dmg source too.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

There was two things considering fester vapours that made it appear on this list. The more I think about it, I was comparing her to other Blight dealers so naturally she fell short. But it is one of her better abilities which somewhat contradicts a category I mentioned at the beginning (Get down would have been better on this list). Second, I was trying to avoid just generic attacks like nervous stab since they are mostly depend on the heroes damage rather than what the ability does (i.e chop on the Leper looks bad until you realize the damage he offers). Thank you for being polite and questioning the list!

[@lazardragicevic5096]

Festering vapors is really really bad but I still like it for some reason, I guess it just kinda works in the cove and the ruins ironically, like it kills the snails in the cove pretty well and kills some high prot skeletons. Even though plague doctor just does it better in every way, it may be the fact that I've been taking a lot of antiquarians for farming money so it grew on me

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I think that is where I got into the down fall of festering vapours. I kept comparing her to other high DOT blight abilities and she obviously comes short (but mostly her whole class does and that is the point). It may be her "best" offensive ability but that isn't saying much. Thank you for watching!

[@benworthhansen8863]

running festering vapors and and plague doctors together got me through my fight against the HoD ~ the buildup in plague DOT worked great through the entire last decent. I'd certainly like it to be better, but the stacking debuffs made plague almost guaranteed.

[@francopassadore491]

Great video, you give valid points although I don't agree with the solo from jester but hey, it's nice hearing this kind of critique from someone who sounds very objective. Keep these videos up, cheers

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for watching!

[@krzysiekkasprzyk4560]

I always use purge on leper. When there is an low hp enemy in front rank you can finish him off and instantly clear a corpse

[@huntersowards3409]

Plus the bonus accuracy is super nice on him, as well as the higher base accuracy of the move.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That is a fair use. I typically pair him with people that do that for him so I was blinded by my own playstyle! The accuracy bonus is nice, but I wish it was increased by just a little.

[@krzysiekkasprzyk4560]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming occultist is made for leper, thats true.

[@huntersowards3409]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Yeah it is a rather small amount. Though I am one to just slap together teams without much preparation or planning because I find it makes the game more fun. Having a mediocre team comp makes the strategies feel a lot more fun to pull off. Plus purge has a high base accuracy and clears the corpse of anyone you kill, so that's nice whenever you want to help leaper reach the back row next turn.

[@MightyAlien1221]

Leper is so broken in every aspect. Chop, Purge, Solemnity, Intimidate That combo takes care of everything. Chop for insane damage. Purge to disable the front row and bring those back raw stress nukes to the front where they get decimated by your guys from second and/or third position (+perfect choice for champion weald). Solemnity speaks for itself. And Intimidate kills whoever has low hp in the back row of the enemy party. -40% dmg from Purge is nothing for the Leper and even the -80% from Intimidate will always deal around 2-4 damage - perfect finisher if he goes last. Leper is basically my favourite class in the game. Funny enough all of my Lepers miss less attacks than every other class lol

[@defaultv.7959]

I personally like Tracking Shot for a Ranged Highwayman with the gunslinger + Clean Guns belt just to stack up critical hit and damage for bosses. For hallway fights I just use it to finish off low HP targets and getting a boost for the next enemy. For Purge, getting the enemy team's positions mixed up on round 1 is rather nice, buys time and reduces incoming dmg, especially stress. Caltrops I do agree with because I mostly find my single Bounty Hunter's too busy using other skills. Some people though like to pair the BH along with another BH, it could have some use there especially with bosses. None of these I would use on a Surprised Enemy though, just kill them.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I'll have to revaluate tracking shot. I've said in many other posts I prefer my hwm getting up and early in fights but I can understand taking a turn to increase damage.

[@BX--nq6gf]

I don't think any ability in darkest dungeon is truly useless, they can always be used somewhere and with certain strats or stats

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That is the beauty of it. There are certainly worse skills than other but completely useless not so much.

[@jorgeavalos9531]

Ain’t gonna lie I expected wicked slice to be on this list I never run it because in my option open vein is more accurate and has dot

[@fishy4275]

Better to run wicked in ruins and cove for the damage boost imo

[@huntersowards3409]

I like open vein more, but in my opinion wicked slice is a decent bit better. -30% damage compared to wicked slice, a move with a nutty crit rate, for a mediocre bleed isn't worth it. Though wicked slice and tracking shot being in this video is so ridiculous honestly. Only like half of the abilities in this video are actually bad.

[@fishy4275]

@@huntersowards3409 agreed. HWM is easily the most overpowered hero imo so it was surprising to see any of his moves here. None of them are bad

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I'll try to encompass everyone's comment here. I think wicked slice for the most part is on par if not better than open vein. I did not put wicked slice or open vein in the video because they are definitely not bad. The tracking shot one I knew would be controversial and this is where my person experience came in. I've used every other skill on the highwayman way more than tracking shot but that is because I believe in every round for regular fights to be maximized. Hence why, I had a couple of for the battle abilities on here, but I do understand the argument for tracking shot.

[@jorgeavalos9531]

I’m a few days late but when I run hwm I usually give him dodge or damage trinkets so the lower accuracy hurts

[@namenotloading]

Can I know the reason why you consider Open Vein and Tracking Shot worse than Grapeshot Blast?

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I mention open vein but I suppose I didn't do a good enough job to say it shouldn't be near the list. Tracking shot or grapeshot blast, I think where I got in trouble is I think the highwayman should always be doing something. So it's either riposting, point blank, wicked so on and so on. Grape shot blast can give +8 percent critical chance to 3 enemies. So for me, I've always liked that ability more for the team use rather than the damage aspect. I am weird in that regards but I do love a ranged highwayman.

[@Pincsi01]

You know Red Hook did something right when everyone's ranking of abilities are very different. Desperate game of risk mitigation, no strategy is flawless, so everyone chooses different poisons for themselves. Many stuff already said in comments, but I'd definitely switch up your hand of light judgement with illumination. Running Vestal in the front, she needs both damage and accuracy. Hand of light gives both of that, which are pretty badly needed. If she's in the front, that means no judgement, meaning reaching rank 3 is not all that bad either. Illumination on the other hand does even less damage, and of all the things you could be doing with a vestal, de-stealthing isn't exactly a priority, especially when she's too slow to do so quickly before all the others act, especially before the monster acts. I'd say the core, most important abilities of the vestal are divine comfort and dazzling light. Both can be used in the back and front, so frontline vestal isn't that big of a detriment, and since it leaves up vacancies from not being able to use divine grace and judgement, it's very convenient to place in hand of light and mace bash at the cost of nothing, since there aren't better alternatives. Illumination is silly, but it might be marginally more useful in the back than in the front, where there's no way you'd replace hand of light with it.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Red Hook did a great job indeed and most of the skills in the game have a time and place.

[@StefanSochinsky]

I think I've only ever used Solo once... and that's only because i didn't know what it really did when I first started playing the game a few years ago.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I use it only for the crew. Other than that I'm a dirk stab guy.

[@StefanSochinsky]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Same; For a Jester I normally run the usual: Slice-off/Harvest, Stab, Ins. Tune and Ballad. One thing I thought about near the end of your video I just thought I'd comment on; I actually fairly frequently use Incision when using a plague doctor because I often bring him to the warrens and if you pair it with the bloody flowers or with his CC trinket set, he' can do some good damage with it. But, like you mentioned, there's so many ways to build a party and each player is going to do it a little bit differently so; to each, their own.

[@drakeeggleston853]

Overall I agree with your assessments, but my two biggest contentions are festering vapors and blindfire. I much prefer festering vapors as a damage dealing ability on anti as opposed to nervous stab. I understand that nervous stab is supposed to be a basic attack ability, but it’s so bad when paired when the anti’s better available skills and terrible offensive stats. Festering vapors allows for blight stacking, ignores prot, hits all ranks and just feels much better imo. I also think that bolas is far worse ability than blindfire and should replace it on the list. In my eyes, they serve the similar purpose of allowing arbalest to hit rank 1, but bolas does less damage and has an awkward movement skill chance that often just shuffles two enemies between the front ranks. Blindfire does have bad acc but I’d usually prefer to have it in most situations. Another ability that I think deserves to be on this list is the arbalests mark. It’s clearly the worst mark and I think it’s one of the worst abilities in the game mostly due to its inability to hit rank 1. I’m glad to see flashing daggers in the honorable mentions because that is another ability that I almost never see a reason to use. Overall nice video with solid points.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

The fester vapours and nervous stab abilities is something I should have elaborated on. I do agree nervous stab is pretty flaccid in most situations, but I was trying to avoid basic attacks. I did that since abilities like chop on the leper can look bad until you understand the damage it can do from his weapon. But once again, I do understand you point. Bolas is a weird one and I I think what sold me was just the fact you don't know where blindfire is going and the low acc. I do agree though, bolas is in the top 20 for sure! Also, someone else mentioned the mark on her which is a good point! I didn't really think about that while I was going through ( I was thinking marks are great, unless you are the character who gets the most out of them) Thank you for watching!

[@drakeeggleston853]

Yeah I also wanted to add that about the arbalests mark because she is almost always the one who is trying to capitalize on the mark and it feels like such a waste of a turn to have her mark when you could use a much better marking ability instead. About blindfire as well, I almost always use the ability when there are two or less front rank enemies, which is obviously a pretty common situation in room/hall battles, so that is another reason why I don’t really notice the random targeting. I think arbalest has one of the worst kits out of all classes and simple things like making her mark hit all ranks or having blindfire/bolas move you back would make her a much better class. Thanks for the response! Please lmk if you have a discord or something for more discussions.

[@MsGorteck]

I have just in the last 2 days been able to play DD again; after a 2yr break. And now I am watching some of your videos that I don't normally watch to refresh my memory and how to play. (Thanks for keeping these up.) You mention how not good Festering Vapors is.... It made me laugh soooo hard. I think you will enjoy this story. I went for the Hag with 3 Crusaders and Anti. One of the Crusaders was L1 and the rest of the team were L2. 2 of the Crusaders were healers and 2 Lancers, one had 30%prot, good quriks that added acc or health, I thought I would do well. I could dance and hit the back line consistently. For some reason I have always thought that the pot was a 1 space target NOT 2 and that the Hag was a 3 spot target... UUPPPPSSSSSS. 😮😮😮 I LIKE ANTI's Festering Vapor. 😊 The Crusaders just lanced the Hag and Anti got cooked. Fine I knew that would happen. Lance, lance, Hag down 1/3hp. Anti gets dumped out and is on dd. Raynuld goes into the pot and NOW I see the problem- nobody can Lance and only Anti can do damage via Festering Vapors, at whatever L2 is, 1-2pt dot per??? There are now 2 on dd and one cooking....😅😂😂😅 The Crusaders are having to heal cause everyone is on dd. This leaves Anti to dot the Hag for 1-2pt round until she finally kills the Hag. Remember the Hag had only lost 1/3hp to lances; only lost Raynould.... 😂😂😂😅😂😂😂 I tell you this😅😅😅 because😂 FESTERING VAPORS IS A DAMM GOOD ATTACK! 😂😂😂😅😅😅😅😅😅 I hope this changes your opion😂 about the usefulness 😅😅 of this skill. 😂😂 Hope you enjoyed this. Cause lord knows I did and still am.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Haha it's not the worst when considering her skill group. I think I was comparing it to other skills and I definitely made an error in that assessment. I'm glad it worked out in the end!

[@VolvedorZ]

I agree with the list overall, but you always have the option to equip a skill before entering a fight, so you can find really niche uses for most of them. Tracking shot specially i always use first turn on bosses

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That's a good point. I'll be doing a right and wrong video near the end of the weak to discuss some of this stuff

[@moozycla6]

Constantly changing MaA's skills because his skillset is so good, I want to enable them all. Let's talk about good ones now, shall we?

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

There is a video out there for that!

[@moozycla6]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I'll def take a look on that!

[@SilentDragonite149]

Here are my thoughts on each ability mentioned: 10. I do still level Festering Vapours up and even use it in areas where I know I'll be running a heavy Blight comp. However, chances are, I'm going to mainly be using Beast's Bile, Noxious Fumes, Plague Grenade, Adder's Kiss, Impale, and Poison Dart to build up Blight DoT, so even then, there's not too much of a point to running it, aside from it being better than Nervous Stab. The big thing it does have going for it is the fact that you can still use it to hit the fourth position, which is why I'd say it's still better than Nervous Stab. Also, that 3 extra Blight DoT could mean the difference between a Bone Royalty getting a second turn or dying to blight. 9. I have never run Caltrops outside of Butcher's Circus. In fact, it even got to the point where I outright FORGOT that the Debuff effect was so amazing. Still not something I would use because Bounty Hunter's other options are so much better. 8. I only ever use Tracking Shot on my first two missions. While it is a nice buff, and it does De-Stealth, all of the Highwayman's other options are still so much better. Yes, even Duelist's Advance. (I'm assuming we're still memeing about it here? If not, replace 'even' with 'especially.') 7. I almost never have Vestal anywhere closer to the enemy than the third position, so I've never used Hand of Light. The recursive buffing sounds appealing, but there's really no use for doing so. You're giving up some potent healing to do that. 6. Battle Heal can do really well on a Support Crusader. In Lineups where I can't add in a Vestal, or I know that my Vestal is going to be incredibly busy and I still need healing on top of that, it's still something I slap on my Crusader because it's nice to still have the option, even if I'm going to Smite or Stunning Blow anyways. It's also still inferior to Inspiring Cry. 5. Fortifying Vapours is one of those skills I only use to get someone off of Death's Door, long enough to bring some better healing to them next turn. 4. Blindfire/Sidearm is still something I have on some Arbalest/Musketeer comps, but I actually use it very few times because when I use an Arbalest or Musketeer, the first thing I usually want to do is focus fire. It does some nice damage, though. 3. I have never used Toxin Trickery. Period. I can't give an honest opinion on how to use it efficiently. 2. Never used Purge either, honestly. If I want to clear Corpses, I'll be using Daemon's Pull or Disorienting Flash over this skill. If it upped the Leper's accuracy more, I might've actually considered the potential for running it. 1. I only ever use Solo to set up for Finale or to fight the Aformentioned Drowned Crew. I've yet to actually find a consistently good use for Finale. And the Honorable Mentions. Suppressing Fire/Smokescreen is one of those abilities I do tend to use heavily on the Arbalest/Musketeer in situations where I know they won't one-shot enemies, and I absolutely need to destroy the accuracy of the third and fourth positions. And it is often very helpful for me, assuming the debuffs go off. If they don't, then I re-evaluate all of my life choices that led up to this moment. In a pinch, it does help somewhat against Swine Skivers, should I not have an efficient way to one-round them. Bleed Out is a very interesting concept, but very risky as well. The self-debuff, as well as the fact that it can only be used in position 1 (Granted that's normally where I like to keep a Hellion anyways) and can only target position 1 make it an iffy choice at best. If I'm going for damage, I'm most likely going to opt for Iron Swan or Wicked Hack anyways. And the only real move I'd give up 20% Damage and 3 Speed for is Barbaric YAWP, as that turn, assuming both enemies are stunned, you will essentially be allowing your team to fight 2v3 that round. Add in Blinding Gas and you basically have a chance for everyone to be stunned, essentially giving you a free turn. I only really use Open Vein in areas like the Warrens and Weald, where I know I'm going to be relying on Bleed Damage. However, even then, I much prefer Riposting or just bringing units like Houndmasters, Flagellants, Jesters, and Hellions, who either give much better Bleed DoT, or spread it out well amongst each enemy. The latter can get really good when you're up against the Flesh. Also, Wicked Slice is better in terms of damage output, which is usually what I need. Flashing Daggers is pretty good in AoE comps, but I don't use Grave Robber enough to justify picking this ability, especially when Shieldbreaker does her job much better. The fact that each dagger still deals 2/3 damage is still nothing to scoff at though. On top of that, Shadow Fade/Lunge is still a very nice combo, so I still recommend having one Grave Robber. Incision is something I only really use in the Warrens or the Weald, and usually, when I'd want to use Incision, my Plague Doctor is probably busy doing something else.

[@fishy4275]

My problem with flashing daggers is that it debuffs bleed res when I'm always using her in blight parties to synergize with lunge. It feels very out of place and I never run the skill.

[@SilentDragonite149]

@@fishy4275 True, true. Although it still has a place in AoE comps, and can synergize well with commonly-used bleed-inflicting skills like Hound's Harry. It's more of a pick if I don't need her to be dancing between positions with Shadow Fade and Lunge. I do wish Flashing Daggers also lowered Blight Res in its debuff effect, though.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I will admit with the antiquarian abilities I will revisit them soon because I was picking on someone's skills that are meant to be bad offensively or heal wise. Thank you though for taking the time to comment! It is very appreciated.

[@SilentDragonite149]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I also understand that you mentioned you wanted to avoid generic abilities, and most of the Antiquarian's other abilities were pretty good for support, so honestly, I'd agree with your picks for the most part, when ruling out the generic options. Even with that considered, Nervous Stab is probably the only generic ability I'd put on there, because, in most cases other than the Antiquarian, the generic abilities are still very solid picks, and usually, at least one or two people on my team will have at least one generic ability, not counting the Abomination, who pretty much has access to all of his abilities. (Albeit not all at one time, some you need to Transform to access.)

[@fishy4275]

@@SilentDragonite149 I made an effort to use Flashing Daggers more instead of Lunge and was pleasantly surprised. Had her in pos 3 for a long champion weald and it was butter smooth. Flag + Hellion up front.

[@trchowder9506]

I think tracking shots a sleeper skill it sucks early game since no enemies are using stealth and buff is okay but generally isn't worth the effort using a turn to use late game though I think it's great since stealthed enemies becomes very common especially stress dealers taking it places like the cove or wield is Great with highway man's decent speed you can typically get first action and have an active buff for the rest of the battle With it's only downside being it's single use so if you get two stealthed enemies your outa luck for that It's really the only effective and useful destealth tool when you think about when you compare it to the others flare being meh and giving pretty rubbish stress heals and expose being awkward to use since generally when you play shield breaker she wants position one to get impale hits and it doesn't even reach 4th position I think and antiquarian being antiquarian doesn't have the best accuracy for hitting those high dodge stealthed targets for flashpower

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That is true about tracking shot having an inverse graph in terms of use. Early on, not a lot of great reasons but they do expand the further you get into it. Thank you for sharing that perspective!

[@lukeyilonen]

Caltrops are so good. Theres a lot of value in that skill alone, the debuffs are strong and slowing the pink fish or a cult chick is realy usefull. And that is without talking about the bleed which is decent

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

My main issue is, I prefer to pull and nuke people. Now, that is one play style, and I do like bellow which is why I can respect slowing people in the back. Just in my experience, I really felt like caltrops is a weaker choice most times for the bounty hunter if you want quick strike or control capabilities.

[@darkdestructer]

I only use antiquarian in the early-midgame like every dungeon maximizing money even more so with torchlight.money becomes obsolete in the endgame so therefore i only run guard and damage abilities on the antiquarian. enemies are rarely threatening and I rarely use him on bosses besides siren, so ending fights quicker while obtaining loads of money sure thing. no need to go for some crazy dodge comp in lower lvl dungeons which you do in the earlygame

[@Grappler1998]

I tend to go Collect, Flashbang/uppercut, Finish HIm and caltrops on my Bounty hunters, purely because I don't value pulls and I don't like the BH being setup, I think BH is best when he's capitalising on the enemy's status effects, especially if you run his CC set, if you use caltrops on a madman, witch, or the faster bloodsuckers, you can slow them down, bleed and debuff them, and finish them in 2 turns really easily and quickly, especially when comboed with plague doctor or vestal stuns.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I think that's where I get in trouble because I prefer pulls which I've had people tell me is odd. I do think the debuff is really strong but I prefer the nuke and pull method.

[@Grappler1998]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I can respect that, I think that's probably why you value leper so much where I don't even pick him up, because I like raw backline damage and you're more into pull into frontline damage, just different, neither one's necessarily better or worse IMO

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I would agree with that :). The game is very well designed which actually leaves very little skills with no home.

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

I always pick festering vapours as a nice ping/prot melter. Way better than nervous stab which has garbo accuracy, garbo damage, and doesn't hit rank 4. AND it sometimes picks off the 3 HP stresser in the back. What's not to like

[@glowcloudwheatproducts495]

It really is her best damaging ability lol. Esp since you prob will be giving her debuff trinkets

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I go back and forth about festering vapours because of the fourth row hitting. I did try to avoid just generic attack abilities in the video because it really depends on the heroes damage or situation. For example, chop on the Leper could look miserable at 95 accuracy and 7% crit modifier. However, its because one focus ring or battle ballad turns that ability into a wrecker due to his naturally high damage. All that said, I do understand your point though!

[@arandomfawn5289]

Houndmaster's self head should have been here instead of the crusader heal. Because the crusader heal is lifesaving compared to that. Also Suffering isn't here either , which technically is the worst skill in the game after solo.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I could see why the self heal could be around here but I do found myself keeping that skill for a back row houndmaster. Regarding suffer I forgot to say I wasn't doing dlc

[@arandomfawn5289]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I've used the self heal like twice in an entire campaign, in a corridor battle after a room battle that got my houndmaster to death row twice. having the stress heal, guard, Mark and a damage feels more attuned with him as a back row than the self heal. There is a mod that give him cure for bleed and blight and that makes it better, but just a shitty heal? Nah its good. Brcause the self heal is 8 or 9 at level 5 I believe.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That's fair about the other skills. I often find myself putting it on when I don't have a strong healer or a unreliable one like an occultist. It's a strong safety net with 8 hp heal. But it is a weaker skill on him for sure

[@arandomfawn5289]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming id eeez whad id eeez

[@Darkside007]

You're a little too focused on straight damage with some of these skills without really considering the utility or advancing planning. Take Purge: If you've got two Courtiers in the back, and two corpses in front, you can Chop 1 corpse, or Purge both of them, bringing both Courtiers up enough for them to use Stab in the Dark instead of their stress attack, saving your 80% stress healer from losing it. Toxin Trickery: Grave Robber has just been hit with a 10 damage bleed and has 7 HP. You can clear the bleed and then the added speed moves her up in the turn order or further protects her 1st action-position from bad rolls, letting her do more damage, and the added dodge helps keep her off of Death's Door by evading enemy attacks, so instead of multiple DD checks, she ends the fight at 7 HP AOE attacks are *really bad* in Darkest, because of their high miss chance and reduced damage.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for posting. I like certain aoe abilities as with the right buffs and situations they are good such as, hounds harry, impale, and hew with damage increase. Zealous accusation and flashing daggers are probably the worst among the group.

[@artphelia5795]

You are so hilarious!! I've hat so many good laughs! Thanks for the cool and entertaining Video!

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for watching!

[@mah38900]

I've used tracking shot sometimes. I wouldn't say it's a great ability. But the typical way that I've used it is to finish a low HP enemy after riposte is active. A situation like when. a stress dealing enemy is about to move so you want to prevent it. You only need to do 2 or 3 damage to finish and may as well get a buff out of it. But maybe grapeshot would be better in that situation.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

It sounds like more people are leaning towards tracking shot being better than grapeshot blast, but I am a sucker for grapeshot blast because of the debuff. Thank you for watching!

[@SpacewardJarl92]

My thoughts on the skills I disagree with more in this video: On your last video I commented that I think caltrops was on this list and I was right! Honestly I agree with this pick because the other abilities just outshine it, and I can only see it working with bleed comps in CC. For the tracking shot I agree with it being useful for mostly just boss fights but it's still good for the buffs, and don't forget the destealth. I've come across a fair amount of comps with full stealth, like 3 meat hookers in the Warrens where I didnt have it equipped and wished for it. It also goes well with the weald and cove because the crone and shaman sit in the back and have stealth, so tracking shot and something like iron swan go well together in those cases. Again last video I commented blindfire was one of the skills and I was right! I agree with your opinion on toxin trickery, but the ONLY application of using it is with shard dust, and I have seen people solo Bloodmoon Countess with grave robber, so that's literally the only case where it is viable but then still riskier than bringing 4 heroes. Leper: HOW DARE YOU PUT MY BOY'S ABILITIES ON THIS LIST. Honestly I agree with this pick and with you saying it has limited applications, like pushing a cultist brawler to rank 4 or clearing corpses against some stress dealers in the back yet it does excel at doing those things that may seem like a little but it can still help a lot, and if done that bonus accuracy can make a difference, even if it is small and does moderate damage itself. Solo is like toxin trickery in that it works best in an all dodge comp in something like endless harvest for like 3 jester, 1 antiquarian in endless harvest or against countess.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Haha well played! I just don't think it's very good compared to the rest of his skills.

[@SpacewardJarl92]

Regarding the extras you had in the honorable mentions, The only applications of bleed out for hellion or open vein for HWM are in the CC. Regarding incision, the damage is good especially if you have the CC set trinket for the extra damage and bleed chance. My opinions on smokescreen, I completely agree with your logic and only find myself using it if I cannot kill a skiver or am going up against stress dealers that I cannot just kill with mark + shot.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Incision on the PD can become really awesome and I see you edited your original comment a little so I can go more in depth as well. I do like tracking shot for the destealth since the damage is somewhat secondary outside of boss fights as we both agree. The leper could be hit or miss (just like him), but I wish it did more accuracy. If it was plus 10 even, I would have moved it out of the top 10 for sure.

[@fishy4275]

I don't think any HWM skills should be in this list. They're all powerful. Tracking shot is simply a matter of using it without wasting the round when you could've set up riposte or simply attacked instead. Also bosses. Just because it rarely gets used doesn't mean it's bad imo. Also I can't think of a better de-stealth skill? If I had to pick one to use it would be Tracking. Most of the others seem really bad in comparison, aside from maybe SB.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That is fair. My bias came in when I see the highwayman as more of a here and now rather than even one turn later down the road. Though that is my personal view of most for the battle based abilities so I will acknowledge that again. Thank you for commenting!

[@dadude8594]

I actually really like solo on jester it is fast way to kill of an annoying stress dealer, then I just use the jester to buff my party. The damage of the jester is crap so I mostly use it for finally and buffs.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

If it works don't stop! I just find it weird to take a whole turn to then take someone out. However, in the video, it was working decently well so who am I to say?

[@diamonds_realm]

I kinda like solo more for going into finale if you have someone like shieldbreaker or highwayman who you might have end up moving infront of him otherwise

[@weimaramerica4763]

tracking shot is insanely good

[@NoneNullAnd0]

IKR? It essentially buffs your Highwayman's damage by about 38% for the entirety of a boss battle. The Highwayman already does a ton of damage, and that 38% doesn't even account for the stress heal and buff from hitting crits. (also, I personally think Bleedout doesn't get enough credit. The bleed overall still does a lot more damage if you get it, allows you to heal your party instead of killing the last monster, and it goes straight through protection)

[@huntersowards3409]

@@NoneNullAnd0 Yeah I feel like a lot of the abilities he chose are actually pretty good.

[@NoneNullAnd0]

@@huntersowards3409 Choice between Dirk stab and Solo is more of a personal preference/specific comp layout. However, I think Antiquarian's nervous stab is a lot worse than festering vapors, considering that the upfront damage is only 2 less (noting that the blight pierces protection and deals 8 more damage over the following two turns). Also, shouldn't Bellow be up there? What's the point of reducing the speed of your enemies when half of them have already taken their turn, wasting one of your own turns in the process? By the end of the first round, you should have already killed 1-3 enemies, so you're making an already easy part of the fight easier.

[@huntersowards3409]

@@NoneNullAnd0 I agree entirely on everything you said here man, though a rather specific question. Do you run harvest, slice off, both, or neither? I always run both with both of his musical team target moves. Having a good single damage move and a good move for finishing off one enemy and damaging the next one is honestly so underrated in this community in my opinion.

[@NoneNullAnd0]

@@huntersowards3409 I run Harvest, Inspiring tune, Dirk stab, and Finale. Supposedly Battle Ballad has some potential, but I don't use it since I haven't really figured out how valuable speed is (granted from a mid-fight ability)

[@colesterollum8310]

I remember old hand of light: Enemy damage is no more!

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I am not familiar with that. Maybe it was so good which is why it got changed.

[@colesterollum8310]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming it reduced anemy damage about 30%

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

See that, I could respect. Big old giants not doing massive damage anymore or even the sword fish in the cove.

[@colesterollum8310]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming Yeah, it also reduce acc by 10 points and still had a buff agaist unholy

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

So it was actually pretty dang good. I am sad that I missed it

[@CRTeeny]

as right as you are in *most* cases for the grave robber, i find that when you pair her up with an antiquarian, relegating the antiquarian to spamming invigorating vapours, and popping toxin trickery on the first turn, you can stack dodge real fast. where ti fails however, is DOT. dodge isnt perfect, at some point youre gona get hit for *something* and usually, i consider that acceptable damage, but when it concerns DOT... well you cant dodge the fact you have no blood in your body can you?

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Yeah dodge is fun until like you said. Thank you for watching!

[@thekaki]

Thx for the vid, new to the game when I seen it on sale on steam.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Welcome to the game! Hope you enjoy.

[@CycleOverloaded]

Im going to defend battle heal on this one. when your Crus isnt in POS 1 or 2 very often you dont have much skills to take so it doesnt make sense to take accusation or stunning strike. as such battle heal makes way. Crus is one of 2 heros which can benefit from both sides on ancestors scroll (on someone more than himself) and that with crusaders orders does remove 10% damage but also lets you heal for 10. il often run that with a crus primarily using holy lance because then your crusader just becomes your vestal. Incision is a great skill imo. although it doesnt debuff accuracy like noxious blast but in most situations it does a lot more damage especially on a crit, it has half the dot but also averages (with bloody herb) 12-20 damage on a non crit, and it has such a high crit mod it really racks up in damage ive had times where PD with incision was pumping out more damage than a hellion because the accuracy and crit mod was adding up. fortifying vapors is not a bad option for 1 reason. its good if you dont want to bring any other healer as it is able to bring someone off deaths door and tank every dot except like 2 unless your on stygian. the 5 heal isnt much but your gald it exists when you dont have any other healer, and i like not bringing other healers with anti because the dodge value is quite high lastly i think bleedout is a decent skill when used like finale. you dont want to use it round 1 but when theres not many enemies left or theres a dangerous foe in the right position is great to pump out a big meaty hit. but its horrible as your only way to attack Pos 1

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for posting. I did an update for a few of the skills. I did a community poll/consideration of new skills to add.

[@CycleOverloaded]

When I posted that comment I didn't realize it was posted 2 years ago. Also I have litterally never seen your channel before so sorry

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

No reason to be sorry. You made good counter points!

[@sandghost4054]

I agree on your take about purge but i still rock it solely because of the cool animation

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

As long as you are having a good time!

[@Amateur2CombaT]

Thx for the great vid once again ! The only thing I didnt agree with on ur list was putting Antiquarians's abilities in the mix. We all know she's not a balanced character combat and stat wise. So ofc her blight is bad , her heal is bad , even her stab is bad , why not put her stab in the list when her blight does more dmg on the long run and can target rank 4 and has a debuff assiciated with it ? I m not saying it s good but imo it s also not really worst than her Stab , esp vs prot mobs. So yeah I would either put all 7 anti abilities maybe except her group dodge , or none with a special mention regarding what I think what the worst anti's abilities are. I think Ild have swapped those 2 and put the Flagellant "Suffer" and the Ocu "weakening curse" instead. I use weakening curse in some Boss fights but in regular dungeons i find myself very rarely using it (in champion level wealds vs treebranch dudes). Just details ofc , enjoyed listening to ur thoughts as always , have a good one brother !

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I will make a video eventually but I did mess up a little with the antiquarian skills on here. She has naturally weaker skills due to her character style so that was my bad. I agree about suffer but I forgot to mention I was not doing dlc and weakening curse is not a bad one for sure!

[@lilgamerguy]

Nah caltrops are OD as fuck. There are a lot of skills that aren't good in hallway battles but really really shine in prolonged encounters like boss fights, finale being a good example, tracking shot being a good example, etc.

[@bluntlyhonest6803]

Purge bad??? Wut. It is so versatile in its usage, Finish off enemies and get ACC buff (which he needs), clear corpses, throw frontliners all they way in the back,

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

The only reason why I did not pick withstand as his worst skill is because it is so niche. Purge definitely has its uses but I found myself using other people to clear bodies and enable the leper. There is definitely an argument for it not being on the list. Thank you for sharing.

[@botep5529]

I like purge as a finisher. Gives you a nice acc bonus in the next guy and yeets that corpse the fuck outta there. Plus it looks cool.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That's fair and thank you for sharing!

[@botep5529]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming no problem dude! I like your channel I hope my comments help you in the algo.

[@accounteliminato3885]

Purge? Yes, I took offense by that

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I know. Some people really like it but I struggle to keep it on or have great use for it. But that doesn't mean you haven't used it well!

[@accounteliminato3885]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming haha of course, I was just joking. Also I forgot to mention, great video as always

[@accounteliminato3885]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming haha of course, I was just joking. Also I forgot to mention, great video as always

[@CorruptorPeste]

Caltrops (the BH one) is so bad is only used to make a video talking about how bad it is.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

It's definitely not his best skill!

[@joaolucaslages7792]

I don't wanna be rude. This video is 80% nonsense. It's just unbelivable.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Which skills do you think should be in here? Just curious

[@Intestine_Ballin-ism]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming nervous stab and bellow for starters

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

See I think bellow is actually a lot better than most people give it credit for. Is it a top 50% skill, probably not, but I do not think an ability that reduces dodge by 10 and speed by 7 over the whole enemy line up is bad. You take one turn to give everyone 10 acc and to go before your enemy. In a weird way its a reverse battle ballad.

[@joaolucaslages7792]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming The ones that you never pick over the ones that are nich. 10: Snipers Mark. It's the worst mark in the game. The Dodge debuff is hardly what you are looking for and you probably gain more if someone else in the team marks for the Arbalest than the oposite. 9: Blindfire. I agree. If you want Arb to hit 1st position, use Bola. 8: Grape Shot Blast. Yes, maybe Tracking Shot is only usefull against bosses, but Grape Shot Blast is never the best option. There is not reason to take it over any of the HWM skills. As I implied before, nich is better than pointless. 7: Ilumination. Maybe Hand Of Light is only usefull for one build, but still better than Ilumination that you probably never going to use anyway. If you have a backline Vestal you are probably using Judgement and Dazling Light with both heals with both cures and if you are using a melee Vestal, you are probably also Hand of Light to help your damage. Ilumation, in this case is rarely usefull and even more nich than Hand of Light. 6: Bulwark of Faith. When was the last time you ever used it outside of Circus? It's by far the weakest Crusader skill. While Battle Heal is not a very strong heal, it can save you and gives you a option of a consistent (even if weak at that) healer. 5-6 base is just about what you need to go over that DoT turn without reaching death's door. 5: Zealous Acusation. Once again, when was the last time you used this skill outside of circus? It's not a good cleave, it has bad acc at low levels when you could make some use of it and it takes the slot that you could use for one of the heals, stun or Holly Lance. 4: Slice Off/Harvest. Pick one. The other is useless. You can fight me on this one and I won't judge you, but, having two skills that are almost the same makes one of them pointless. Wich one depends on your preference. And in defence of Solo, if you use Finale, you really apreciate this skill. For me (and many other people, I'm sure) this skill is a good way to set up for Finale. 3: Suffer. This skill is just a wasted slot for the Flagelant. I have never ever seen it used in a usefull way. 2: Supressing Fire. Yeah. It is bad. 1: Toxin Trashery. This is the worst skill in the game and you're just never going to use it.

[@joaolucaslages7792]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming And Bellow, that can't even consider a skill, so it get's the special spot

[@trzygowytrebacz5921]

I would like to hear Your opinion on grapeshot, I just find it really useless. Low accuracy, low damage, debuff is also kinda low, I think he might have better things to do

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

So I didn't put it on here because the debuff is really good over a few turns. By turns two to three, people can be critically striking this getting buffs and removing stress. If it didn't have the debuff, it would easily be one of the worse skills in the game. Edit: with the right trinkets the damage on criticals can become respectable as well.

[@trzygowytrebacz5921]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I get what you are saying, but I think he has better things to do rather than just spamming grapeshot, Like, for me three runds are enough to kill one monster or severly damage two of them, and I think its better choice than making them more fragile to crits, but It may be just preferences.

[@FlamenYong]

Purge is a very situational skill. Mostof the time it's not that great, I'll admit it, but it can be a godsend against Swinetaurs' Trot Retreat

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for sharing!

[@silvermyr3268]

I usually run Blindfire/Sidearm, actually. Especially at novice/veteran level short dungeons where I for some reason don't have a vestal available I use it alongside the heal skills to be sure I have some speed for the next turn if necessary. Sure, I mainly use the standard attack, but unless I'm doing a mark party I don't really have anything better to put on my Arbalest. Also niche use if I get shuffled. Some random damage can be better than none.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That is a interesting use. The speed buff is the best part but I don't know if I want to take a spot just for that. My preference but it can have a place in your line up for sure.

[@Almutazz938]

Why u didn't say about highwayman's "miss miss dodge" grapeshot?

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

That is fair! I made a Community video after this adding that skill.

[@robertsiems3808]

I disagree with the tracking shot and the poison trickery. They are really good in bosses and the farmstead

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

People definitely came out to defend tracking shot. I believe I did a community update video where I took in new considerations. Tracking shot was removed and I understand the points for it. Thank you for watching!

[@raden1287]

Any reason you didnt put withstand from leper here considering that only make him tankier which not only redundant considering he already is the tankiest and just self serving . Even with boss fight revenge are simply better considering it give hhim buffs that matter

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Withstand and bulwark were both skills I had considered. At the end of the day the main reason was some people really like the high protection slow fight Game. It's not my style and my lack of play with it i couldn't really condemn it or support it.

[@gwydionml6479]

Dude! What are you even running with antiquarian!? Are you taking them out with all of their abilities turned off? In which case I completely understand. I mean you’re raging on secondary heals incessantly. They are so useful. Not dying is actually pretty good, especially when it’s permanent

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

It depends on the composition I am running, but the three I usually have on are: protect me, invigorating vapours, flashpowder, then often either nervous or festering (depending on where I go). Get down was a weird one, and I partially thought about putting it on the list (not sure why I didn't since it is mostly dodge cheese related). I agree the heals are nice but I am not a huge fan of the wimpy ones. I have used it before, but I never feel good about it and would rather have the other skills on ( such as flash powder or protect me for riposte strategies). I do understand though putting healing abilities as bad was a different look but I really do not think they are great in comparison.

[@gwydionml6479]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming but what she wants to do is finish high prot enemies that are on the edge. Her stab basically does the same as her vapors except it actually doesn’t do any damage to those targets. It’s just completely ineffectual. Otherwise, she should be spamming vapors (of the dodge variety). Her heal is actually a great side heal to scum with in a high crit team with no heal on a short dungeon especially when she has her CC trinket equipped (I’d never really take here anywhere longer than medium since it’s such a waste). I guess everything you apparently don’t like about her I think is actually the best she has in terms of actual impact. But hey, great thing about this game is we all run our own comps and have our own opinions

[@IllD.]

No way Zealous Accusation > Battle Heal? That is a hot take. Do not agree with that at all.

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

It does appear that I am in the minority for AOE attacks. Lots of people agree with you and I made a follow up video where I remove it.

[@be-ugh5782]

17:41 *knock knock knock*

[@IzmaylovPetro]

Excuse me,but where is Battle medicine(plague doctor)?

[@gwydionml6479]

Lol, festering vapors is probably her 2nd or third best ability. You only wouldn’t run it if she’s front line, in which case you’re running her wrong, or you’re running four of her Just a terrible take given the context

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I responded to your comment but festering probably could have been taken off for something else. But I did what I did.

[@gwydionml6479]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming I do want to say I’ve been enjoying your content. You did what you did? Do what you do man, I don’t think I’ll stop enjoying it anytime soon (even if I do disagree from time to time)

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Hey sorry I missed your response here. When I said I did what I did, I meant this video. I can't really change it right away so I take the bad choices on the chin for now. Thank you for watching though!

[@mrdeafter]

just swap to Tracking Shot in front of boss room bruh, that shit is the best boss killer move for hwm

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Some people really like it, I just prefer to get riposte started but for much larger HP pools I could see it.

[@myonlyfriendtheend4958]

>caltrops bad homie the mountains of dead chevs say otherwise

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

I can certainly see why people like it.

[@treedude4246]

What are good skills for antiquarian

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

The antiquarian in general is a weaker class due to her money role so the skills I have up here are used but I mentioned them as bad because they are not that great when compared to other peoples. I mention this in my update video but for here, fester vapours is probably on your antiquarian because it is that or nervous stab for offense. Neither are all that great if you need amazing damage in my opinion.

[@treedude4246]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming interesting I ask cause i have an antiquarian who i stg has gotten virtue every single time she has been tested Her name is pipin and I try to bring her to ask much stuff as possible I like festering on her just cause stacking blight is fun I also try and use flash poweder to lower acc Should I use bolstering vapours?

[@canaldecasta]

15:10 Wilbur lol

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

haha yep wilbur sure could.

[@matiasrapallini3404]

Another one i consider thats not that great, crusaders bulwark of fate. I know it gives you like 30% prot and like 30 torch at max level, but its a one time use and it even mark itself. When fighting against enemies that accquire a buff from marks i dont see like a good ability. Anyway, i really liked the video!

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Bulwark did creep into my mind, but I haven't used it enough to condemn it fully (the lack of use could indicate why though). I do think people who like high protection comps would rely on this ability though. It is very similar to the Leper but I understand your point.

[@weimaramerica4763]

I always level up bulwark on my crusaders because if you somehow run out of torches, bulwark + inspiring cry can actually get your torch back to 100 very fast

[@weimaramerica4763]

I don't equip it until the torches run out though. inspiring cry, stunning blow, smite and holy lance are just too good to replace any of them

[@huntersowards3409]

@@weimaramerica4763 I always run holy lance, both heal, and stunning blow in case he high rolls against whoever is in three. I beat DD1 WIth Hellion, Highwayman, Crusader, and Vestal, and honestly fell in love with that team. It works so well anywhere honestly.

[@boha7234]

I wish purge was good because it looks so god damn cool

[@jahn5600]

i mean Purge is perfectly usable because of the fact it clears corpses and if you kill the enemy with it they also dont leave a corpse, this helps negate one of lepers weaknesses being that after clearing the front line he doesnt have much to do besides spam solemnity or waste attacks on the corpses . The accuracy buff is also pretty nice to have

[@Karyuen]

Trying to explain why you think it is bad is kinda reasonable. But from the battle video, it is sad that party comps, your skill usage is suppressing the character of the skills. Why don't you need to utilize the skills more reliable? Title of this video is kinda dangerous because this only can make prejudice more, so it needs to be added with 'your opinion' hope you can show better vid next time :)

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Thank you for watching. Regarding the bad party comps, it is much quicker to shove everyone into one group and get footage from the same group. Reduces my dungeons to about 4 or 5 rather than potentially 8 to 9. That is a considerable amount of extra time just to show what the skills can do in their best situation, if it was presented. The bulk of this video was showing the skill text, since that was more of my point rather than how to use it correctly. Also, I do not think in my or your opinion is needed. For the most part, any tier video is subjective or heavily opinionated already if there are no definitive or hard numbers. The same goes for any other tier video I have made. Typically, I do try to say at the start or in the middle of my videos, if it works for you, go for it.

[@scimitaradp]

Cry Havoc isn't there?? What am I missing? Is it just that RNG Jesus hates me that much?

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

It's not the greatest stress healing skills but it's decent if you have free round or two.

[@scimitaradp]

@@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming There are very few stress healing skills so I guess it gives it some points... my issue with it is that I tend to have 1 hero really stressed and the others not so much. Guess wich one NEVER gets the heal ;)

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Well I won't disagree with that! Single target stress heal with that ability is incredibly frustrating at moments.

[@jesterscircus.3490]

I only use track shot on bosses anyway

[@HiDdeNSQuiDZGaming]

Some people really like it for that, and I need to try it more. THank you for sharing!