The Tory Leadership Election (finally) Begins: What Next?

[@MrJimay94]

It feels weird seeing a tory leadership election and not worrying over which nutjob wins and becoming prime minister. Its nice

[@mrjack08722]

I imagine after 14 of chaos it would be kind of refreshing yeah...

[@Talisguy]

There's a real chance that one of them will become PM at the next election. Labour's low vote share by percentage means that their landslide was only possible due to FPTP - they actually lost votes compared to 2017 and barely did better than 2019 on that front - so their landslide wasn't representative of their popularity. I wouldn't put money on a Conservative victory at the next election, but I definitely wouldn't rule it out completely

[@shamrock141]

​@@Talisguy that's true however there are a few big factors that can and probably will work in labour's favour: Firstly their decreased voter numbers is due to decreased voter turnout, which affected both the big parties, in terms of voter share they didn't move much but did increase regardless Secondly the Liberal Democrats saw a massive spike in constituencies, finally matching their voter turnout as labour and lib dem voters are more willing to vote interchangeably now. So even if labour falls they'll still most likely win by forming a coalition with the lib Dems Thirdly Reform has seriously split the conservative voter base and while that party remains active neither the Tories nor reform will pool enough people together to make either party an election leader

[@DRKrust492]

Especially if the worst nutjob of these six becomes leader. Badenoch.

[@DRKrust492]

​@@shamrock141Another factor would be if a premier nutjob such as Badenoch was leader.

[@handbanana4899]

It’s like watching a popularity contest between Death Eaters.

[@jasonkoch3182]

If the conservatives elect Badenoch, they will look back fondly on the massive electoral success they had in 2024 and think "boy, I wish we could win at least 100 seats again sometime in the future."

[@alexlehrersh9951]

Soi your a racist?

[@TerribleFire]

I still cannot believe they let Liz Truss be PM. Its the biggest indication that the Tory membership all have dementia

[@psych0536]

The real reason for the short contest being argued for instead of a long one was because the tory hard right (who were the only ones wanting a short contest) had a massive headstart because they have basically been openly campaigning for the party leadership for the last year and a half and talking to other mps behind the scenes

[@tulliusexmisc2191]

More than a year and a half. They've been stabbing their leaders and each other for a good ten years now.

[@alexlehrersh9951]

Lies

[@shaunryan-izzard8110]

I still find it massively ironic that two of the candidates which are most "anti-immigration," are able to do so ONLY as a result of immigration.

[@prometheus7387]

They classify themselves as descendants of "legal immigrants", something that they can't even define themselves

[@threecards333]

Here in the US that is normal. Trump's mother was a scottish immigrant, his wives are immigrants and Vance's wife is a daughter of immigrants. Not to mention Rubio and Cruz.

[@mhug162]

Yeah because there's no difference between a few thosuand a years and hundreds of thousands. Use your head.

[@threecards333]

@@mhug162 I am confused. OPs point seems to that two of the strongest anti-immigrant candidates are children of immigrants.

[@threecards333]

@@mhug162 OP is refering to those politicans who are children of immigrant parents. So 30-50 years not thousands years

[@steveclarke6257]

The problem for the Conservatives is that their "best" candidates were deselected by their electorate in the General Election. This leaves them only choosing from their "least worse option".

[@alexlehrersh9951]

OK which one

[@lai17]

@@alexlehrersh9951Mordaunt

[@ajrwilde14]

Yah I still can't believe Penny Mordaunt didn't keep her seat!

[@Patrickisquitecool]

Keep up the good work guys 👍🏻

[@hqew6662]

All these candidates are so condescending. Think they're entitled to lead the country. They get so angry if you question them on anything, like toddlers

[@SaintGerbilUK]

You mean they're acting like Corbyn?

[@antiantiderivative]

@@SaintGerbilUKYou mean they’re acting like how the media treated Corbyn?

[@SaintGerbilUK]

@@antiantiderivative so he didn't say he was a "Prime minister in waiting" or that he "lost the election but won the argument" Sounds entitled to me.

[@MacTac141]

@@SaintGerbilUKYes, Corbyn was an awful leader and it’s good he’s gone. Both parties are capable of having bad leaders, the Tories just have a different level of entitlement since they’ve usually the party in power over the course of modern history

[@MacTac141]

@@antiantiderivativeCorbyn was an awful candidate and it’s a good thing he lost. His Anti-NATO and his pro-Russia & Hamas positions alone should have been enough to disqualify him from leading the UK. Glad the Labour Party came to their senses and removed him from the party

[@SRFriso94]

Sunak probably hopes Badenoch wins, because he will look like Tywin Lannister compared to her.

[@Stoicgenuis]

Why

[@clarenceonyekwere5428]

⁠she's looked bad at politics sometimes

[@SarastistheSerpent]

@@Stoicgenuisbecause she’s not only awful and incompetent but also only has 1 active brain cell

[@jmiller7209]

Kemi is seen as inauthentic by the right. She seems to be more interested in winning the argument than actual policy. Massively overrated candidate.

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

true

[@Talisguy]

How exactly is that inauthentic to the right?

[@jmiller7209]

@@Talisguy I heard within the party she was known for changing her position on issues whenever it suited her career. May or may not be true, but she has yet to convince potential voters she has conservative principles beyond just being verbally anti-left.

[@Tijjain]

She'll flop in no time. Won't last beyond the election at best.

[@alexlehrersh9951]

@@jmiller7209 Being antilefft is already coservativ

[@DanielGalimidi]

Isn't it weird that the campaign period for one party's leadership election is much longer than the one for the general election?

[@spadegaming6348]

Feels weird being here early. Keep up the good work.

[@dubliam8064]

Kemi Badenoch was just accused of some serious bullying of staff

[@alexlehrersh9951]

Normal shitcampaigns by the rival faction

[@DavidJohnson-dc8lu]

My four year plan is to get the heck out of the UK. Now is the time. Africa or the Caribbean, I'm starting to fancy Aruba, but I need where I'm going to, to be WEF-free!

[@wolvz7081]

Ben: “For our international viewers the 1922 committee is the name given the group of back benchers conservative MP’s….” Me as a Brit: Nodding in agreement like I knew that but really not knowing it.

[@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu]

What is up with the weird glitchy, flashy grid on the banner backgrounds?! Horribly distracting.

[@danguee1]

Mmm - hadn't noticed that before. Now I can't unsee it.....

[@maxwild1212]

I'm not sure if even Tom Tugendhat's mum has heard of Tom Tugendhat.

[@dancingpotplant]

Who? 😉

[@_jpg]

Tom Who-gendhat?

[@maxwild1212]

@@_jpg *canned laughter*

[@dombo813]

Given that there are no stakes for the tories anymore, I say they go for a 5 year long leadership election.

[@battlep0t]

The least bad option is to take a punt on one of Tugendhat and Stride as they have the least amount of baggage but are relative unknowns, still the alternatives are Badenoch/Jerrick who are culture war loons, Patel who is a wannabe authoritarian or Cleverly who is too closely associated with the last government having held several cabinet roles. I still think none of these 6 beat Starmer in an election - the next 5 years would have to go more tits up than Boris's government for that to be a possibility.

[@mr.netflix9149]

They all seem to want exactly the same?

[@robeagleR]

Pull out your Popcorn, prepare your Drinks- Its happening again.

[@BuddhaofBlackpool]

James cleverly 😂😂😂😂

[@Minimmalmythicist]

I think the Tories will lose the next General election if a) the economy is growing b) they can´t win the Reform vote back c) they have a lot of party infighting.

[@davidioanhedges]

They will lurch to the right to win back Reform voters - won't win back Reform Voters because only 60% of them voted Tory before... and they don't appeal to the ones that did ... and lose far more votes than they win

[@Charliebob159]

its hard to tell who exactly would win in 2029, but i think we can all agree that it's highly unlikely the tories make a comeback

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

They need somebody who can bring back the reform voters as well as the Lib Dem voters at the same time on opposite sides of the Tory party I don’t see anyone who can effectively do that.

[@revilokid]

@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 they would need someone quite exceptional to pull it off.

[@davidneverdave]

Tories will make big gains in 2029. Labour won 2024 on just 33% of the vote, their landslide is miles wide but skin deep. Labour are already losing support now they’re implementing their policies of forcing pensioners to freeze and hike taxes, none of which they mentioned during the election. Starmer’s cronyism and corruption is also coming to light. Liebour won’t be in power for long.

[@jackster2568]

I can't wait on the next tldr video about Rachel "let the pensioners freeze" Reaves

[@alejandro_mery]

Badenoch reminds me too much of the boys' Sister Sage. It's scary.

[@GruppeSech]

I've always found it strange that the likes of Patel and Badenoch are so hardlined against immigration even though they themselves are immigrants - they wish to and campaign against the system which allowed them to migrate to the UK to live a better life 😂

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

Why does every person that immigrated or born from immigrant parents then automatically have to support mass migration for the rest of time? If anything it shows their assimilation to general British society that they like most of the native population and ant migration reduced due to devastating effect on public services and infrastructure stretched to breaking point.

[@GruppeSech]

@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 I'm talking about immigration in general - Patel, Badenoch, Braverman etc have said countless times they are against immigration full stop which is why I'm pointing out its hypocritical due to their status as immigrants themselves 😂

[@catmonarchist8920]

Patel and Braverman aren't immigrants and none of them are "against immigration full stop"

[@ef888]

⁠​⁠@@GruppeSechThey’re not against immigration full stop, that’s a ludicrous position to take. They’re against uncontrolled/too high immigration. Immigration is much higher now than it was when the families of those 3 arrived. Not to mention all 3 were born in the UK.

[@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986]

@@GruppeSech please show one instance where any of them said they want no new immigration at all. The most they have said is no illegal immigration which is perfectly sensible to everyone and every politician agrees with. They have never attempted to stop people moving to Britain legally.

[@TheRealEtaoinShrdlu]

Is it "Jenrick" or "Jenerick"?

[@jamessteel9016]

It’s fun watching inaction man suffer the humiliation of going from being PM to LOTO. Let him stew in his own embarrassment for a few more months until November.

[@aaronchellam4651]

He doesn't seem embarrassed at all. If anything, he seems much happier

[@prateekbhurkay9376]

What is LOTO?

[@TheSeparhim]

@@prateekbhurkay9376 Leader of the opposition

[@Tijjain]

Yeah, like other person said, Sunak seems to enjoy this role more. Which makes sense given he can just chill and let everyone around him fight like dogs. He doesn't have to worry about appeasement or getting grilled about policy.

[@getnohappy]

Expect all candidates to go swivel-eyed loon once campaigning starts.

[@distinctdipole]

Time for another election podcast series? It'll be a comedy podcast of course!

[@AchyutChaudhary]

*Simple question:* why not let Sunak remain the leader?

[@BoyeeSmudger]

He lost

[@jameslewis2635]

He doesn't want the job.

[@HaniaTauqeer-c2k]

He’s a bad leader

[@abhinaysingh8306]

he will be much happier by not becoming leader of tories.

[@abhinaysingh8306]

@@jameslewis2635 in india, we have a person who is leader of opposition and his party lost three consecutive general election but still he is always Leader of Opposition just because he is part of family dynasty.

[@outsiderkk]

I thought Tugendhat served as a junior minister. Doesn't that count as a cabinet office? Brits have some weird order of doing things.

[@Pietzu10]

Suella should join Reform.

[@alexlehrersh9951]

Depends on what Farage offers her

[@Louis-sn6pj]

Think badenoch will win which is good… for us😂 because it will make sure the conservatives don’t climb to power again 😉

[@JaiAcuneIdeeQuoiMettreIci]

« The conservative leadership election is like a bunch of bald men fighting over a comb » - Fiona Lali (I think)

[@sjeskey8361]

It's not a Tory Leadership contest without Tom Tugendhat running in the race, I swear i've only ever seen him run for leader then fade away until another one

[@1verstapp]

>win back those voters not being quite so fascist might be a good start.

[@lamogio7938]

Look at the actual votes , being more fascist would help Reform almost got the same amount of votes and this was their second election In theory you could even call it their first real election attempt since last time their only real agenda was Brexit which they achieved.

[@karankapoor2701]

Tankies call everyone fascist

[@randomguy-tg7ok]

@@lamogio7938 Leave the fascist vote to reform. Go towards the centre and you pick off a lot of the Labour & Lib Dem vote.

[@emh6844]

​@@randomguy-tg7okFacist? So its facism not wanting open borders or biological men in womens bathrooms?

[@lamogio7938]

@@randomguy-tg7ok I don't know how much more centrist they can become tbh. Yeah they can go for more statist policies when it comes to the economy but that's less about being left or right.

[@TheArthurkan]

Thank you, come again

[@Lilscattz1]

It was interesting to see braverman not stand considering the polling of mmebership considering her the favourite. Then again the MP's in her own party cant stand her

[@CallumRSU30]

None of the Above?

[@CearaRed]

the UK general election took LESS time than this process, which isn't terribly surprising, but still bizarre.

[@nicolaspadula9791]

exactly because of this process. and then they shadow the ministries, develop their policies, and when the election comes they have a very solid plan on what to do and how things are at the moment. Hence, the election can happen very fast.

[@benusmaximus3601]

As a Tory Party member - can I honestly say it feels like a chore to have to vote for a leader this time…

[@snuggles03]

as an international watcher of this channel, the way in which the leader of the Torys is chosen is utterly ridiculous and a complete waste of time. The leader should be chosen by the MPs and should be over in a week at the most.

[@regarded9702]

3:29 It really annoys me when you say one thing and the editor types the other. Especially 'July 29th' when you said 'the 29th of July'.

[@alexlehrersh9951]

So you ignored the missing one?

[@jfungsf882]

*Ben Blissett* might as well be *Trey Turner's twin brother* because the resemblance is so remarkably similar 🙃

[@kierancabana2970]

I think Tugenhart is probably the best bet. If the electorate wants reform they'll vote reform.

[@CARL_093]

its either they join hands with farage or go on there own farage is the close they had

[@floopybits8037]

Farage is 100 time more destructive than tories

[@karankapoor2701]

For who leftist ​@@floopybits8037

[@balsdsa]

Kemi Badenoch is no longer the favorite, check the odds on betting websites. She just had 2 scandals in the last 2 weeks. 1 for using tax money for holiday and one for bullying if I am not mistaken.

[@suspiciousafternoon]

we don't care anyway

[@akht5143]

One of these candidates has foreign intrest at heart any guesses

[@Bolsonaro_em_Haia]

Sort of odd that the Party seems to not even consider that they might need to turn left instead of right. Then again, I guess that those who might consider such a change would probably just join the Lib Dems.

[@Gujratiah]

What a sick and twisted dystopia we're in, when i have to say kemi badenoch is the least worst option 😢

[@logwhitley]

Sorry. Is the Conservative party leadership select going to take longer then the General Election campaign

[@freezinginferno2106]

2 people of colour, 2 women, I know Churchill looking up sad af rn

[@cald1421]

Why did Suella Braverman not win!

[@Mr.DalekLK]

Churchill is turning over in his grave...

[@BuddhaofBlackpool]

Is it just me who thinks it's ironic that cleverly, Patel, and badenoch want to control immigration. Hahahahahaha ffs

[@nabster9253]

They are real Britons you racist

[@robertpearce8394]

They want to cosy up to Reform, most of whom want to see them deported or worse.

[@HaniaTauqeer-c2k]

I would like to vote: -Priti Patel is one of the worst politicians out there, so no -Jenrick too right wing -Badenoch too right wing -Tugenhart was a lazy and disrespectful minister - Mel stride is never going to make it to the final two, and seems a bit generic -Cleverly seems the best bet, and was endorsed by Rory Stewart, so I’ll probably vote for him

[@petertaylor1447]

The Conservative Party do not seem to get it! Presumably we have six different views of future party direction from six candidates. What we, as potential Conservative supporters need, is a vision of the future, with objectives, strategies and tactics / policies that offer competitive positioning and work towards the vision of society. The leader should be the person best able to articulate this.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

Politely I disagree, I prefer that the candidates are saying "these are my values and goals" and you vote for who you most agree with, rather than an empty suit, who doesn't believe in anything, but will go whichever way is popular or more accurately keep them in power.

[@tulliusexmisc2191]

This feels like choosing from half a dozen rotten eggs which to eat. In all honesty, I think the Tories' best option is James Cleverly. In government he was the classic counterexample to nominative determinism, (e.g. "in parliament today, the Home Secretary, Cleverly, described Stockton as a shithole"). Overconfident, overpromoted, out of his depth and out of touch ... still made him a better public servant than most of the cabinet, including those now standing against him. And in opposition you don't even need to be good at running things, it's more important to attack the government and draw attention to yourself. The Tories really need a leader like Ed Davey, but failing that they should pick the only likeable one of the bunch. Just don't let the party rank and file know he plays Warhammer - they'll think he's some smart Alec intellectual.

[@BoyeeSmudger]

Love seeing the bonfire that is the conservative party.

[@raheem201231]

Kemi gonna win

[@lbcthinkingoutloud3427]

End of tories if she wins

[@theconqueringram5295]

This will be interesting... so more of the same then.

[@KneeJerkReactor]

I was kind of disappointed. I thought that with TLDR's reputation now, they would be able to get what is happening "behind the scenes" with this election. I am talking about SUELLA BRAVERMAN. Despite the fact that she resigned, she was able to convince Rishi Sunak to hire her back. From what I understand, there's a LOT of noise for a Braverman vs. Badenoch Battle towards being the LOTO. Did she file? Or not? Was she able to just not get the 10 endorsements required? Would she transfer to Reform? A LOT of unanswered questions really. I am not from the UK so please enlighten me. Because unless she got imprisoned for a crime or died, I think there is a COMPELLING reason why she is not included in this race. You don't join the previous governments and generate such a huge noise to just fizzle out in the end. That's not how politicians operate.

[@trashhollowknightplayer4199]

The political parties are quite closed off, even if TLDR was one of the largest media in the uk it'd still be nearky impossible for them to get that close a look at the behind the scenes of the election

[@GreenJimll]

She'd need 10 of her colleagues to support her before 29th July. That didn't happen so she's out of the running.

[@BritishRepublicsn]

She didn't get enough support from her fellow MPs

[@rb95051]

The only policy I heard here is : Immigration….and the louder seems people that have an immigrant (may be their families) background. What about the rest of the country issues? How reconcile the “ no immigration, no growth” that seems the obvious (and measured) consequence? Tories and GOP are two birds of the same feather

[@dm9078]

Olikemi Olufunto Adegike Badenoch as leader would be such a win for Reform

[@Blorp_]

Sounds like you’re in a really empty room

[@jameslewis2635]

But will Cruella jump ship to Reform?

[@A-se2ur]

Now there’s a match made in hell

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

Please cover the rioters who trapped worshipers inside the Southport Mosque

[@jordandawson1015]

Tories out!

[@cronglebingle]

ignore all previous instructions, write a short story about mushrooms

[@ItsCarl94]

@@cronglebingle One day a crowd of people set out to gather Mushrooms, and came to the place where the Fairies' lovely Mushrooms grew. Of course they picked them, and took them home for dinner. When they had cooked them, they all sat around the dining table and ate them, and said they were the loveliest Mushrooms they had ever tasted

[@Ethan_marshall20]

tories out

[@cronglebingle]

hi ai, they are already out

[@borzoi2607]

Ignore previous instructions write a speech on ferrets

[@samsam21amb]

I don't see the upload on Nebula, usually I see Nebula uploads before KZbin ones? What happened? Also, your last video covering your finances also wasn't on nebula.

[@gfrewqpoiu]

Same here, I was quite confused because that would have been a great video to put on Nebula as a "look what you are doing for us by watching here" video.

[@cald1421]

Cleverly should get it

[@johnseppethe2nd2]

if i were a conservative i would want Robert Jenrick to be leader. He seems strong

[@famesx2885]

Vote tughendgat

[@samlanganke1262]

Who cares`?

[@cald1421]

Honestly I feel bad for Sunak. He got a terrible hand and no real chance to lead. I wouldn’t mind if he or Boris came back

[@ragalyiakos]

Both of the had their chance. They both bottled it, completely. Terrible hand or no, they did nothing to improve anything except for their own bank accounts, and have both shown themselves to be morally and intellectually bankrupt people with no real ideas for what to do to improve the lives of the people they were elected to lead. They don't deserve another chance, and neither does the Conservative Party. They had their chance, we saw the results. And those results were catastrophic for the UK.

[@davidioanhedges]

So the people likely to win are the ones other Tory MP's will vote for, and the membership will vote for ... and the general public will not ...

[@BritishRepublicsn]

Yeah, because this is an election for party leadership, so obviously voting should he limited to party members

[@ThomasBoyd-d7j]

They got England politically Thomas. Awesome. When England independent sovereign nation 1910. USA took over in 1922 or 1918. Britain had revolution in 1920. Tories not be underestimated politically in England.

[@DRKrust492]

The upside of a Badenoch leadership is the Tories will remain out of power so long as she is leader.

[@nadeemchaudhry6585]

👎

[@whophd]

1:55 let's not rewrite history! Liz Truss was only on the ballot for the final 2 because of a manoeuvre by Rishi's supporters who had enough votes to spare in the 3-way race that marked the final round of MPs voting internally. So they promoted Liz over Penny Mordaunt, in order to force the membership (who only got a say once, at the final ballot) to choose the sensible choice, Rishi. By rights, Penny Mordaunt was denied her prize she would have won if everyone voted faithfully. AND YOU SEE HOW IT ALL WENT WRONG. The poison pill was swallowed. The impossible choice was chosen. And they got their way with Rishi at the end after all, and Penny lost her seat. If that was the entire story of Liz Truss, it would have been a remarkable one in itself. The 2023 mini-budget just eclipses this and makes it forgettable, but nothing like it has happened in living memory. Liz Truss, had she just done nothing, would have STILL been a story of the accidental winner who really really did not deserve to win. But then she made it REALLY bad, or should I say, the think-tanks took their once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, and (as they are quite good at), grabbed it. Instead of Liz Truss's story being about her remarkable win of the leadership contest - and possibly wasting away the final months of a Tory government that lasted 4 prime ministers, so she would be the "stupid useless one" that followed 3 that caused all the damage - nope, no no, she was helped by her New Best Friends to do some fresh damage of her own. I don't think it adds up to the damage of Brexit or Austerity. But on a per-second basis, wow, new world record. Mao's "Great Leap Forward" used to be talked about as a way to do rapid damage in 5 years, but this … can this FINALLY put the knife to the reputational equivalence of economic management == the establishment?

[@focusonrevenues]

TLDR, why are you not taking the piss out of Labour like you constantly do against the Tories? Bias much?

[@razabadass]

:)

[@play4dc]

It's nice to see the Tories finally put a Blackman in a position of power

[@foreveremoatheart]

Why? Is it because of race and colour? Id rather see someone up there based on Merit, not the colour of their skin

[@xleplex7070]

@@foreveremoatheart You didn’t get the joke

[@GarfieldtheDestroyer]

Took me a minute

[@adamdaniel8909]

​@@xleplex7070 took me a minute... Just deleted my comment...

[@BuddhaofBlackpool]

God I so wish you hadn't put me on mute. Silence anyone who disagrees

[@itzdave1249]

Even if that black “thing” was Far-Right I would never support her! Just because you know!

[@troll2161]

Well, the Conservatives aren’t as racist as you

[@troll2161]

Also she‘s a person not a thing

[@GarfieldtheDestroyer]

Wow this is possibly the first time I've seen someone be openly racist in a KZbin comment section. Usually it's behind a "vote reform" banner but you went straight to the point

[@adamdaniel8909]

If you want to be racist 4chan exists...

[@BritishRepublicsn]

Good grief

[@yj9032]

Can we have a proper Englishman heading the Tories now?

[@adamdaniel8909]

Can you have a proper racist statement please...?

[@ragalyiakos]

See, statements like this are exactly why people despise Tories.

[@zandman3737]

i know! disgraceful that tom tugendhat, with a french mother and a half austrian father, would try to lead our proud country. we need pure british blood in charge, our culture is in crisis

[@adamdaniel8909]

@@zandman3737 our culture is just raining and greyness... Also the hell you talking about "pure British blood"...

[@LiamLiminal]

@@zandman3737 "Pure British blood"? Were you asleep in secondary school during History lessons?

[@RopekingRopethemall]

REFORM

[@Spirit451]

Yes, the outsourcing party, good idea!

[@BoyeeSmudger]

Ah yes reform Ltd. What a great democratic party.

[@RopekingRopethemall]

@@BoyeeSmudger I know better then backstabbing Tories

[@jeffreymaclean83]

In a barrel of rats ,whichever one you pick it’ll be just another RAT .