The Toyota bZ4X AWD Sets A New Low Record In Our 10% EV Road Trip Challenge (US Spec / CATL Battery)

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[@fiehlsport]

Toyota deserves every bit of criticism in this video. I love to see it.

[@bmw803]

Scotty Kilmer will somehow defend it and find an excuse that Toyota is ahead of the curve despite this abysmal performance.

[@motch6182]

Agreed! Until they get that MAJOR update out! They need to here how bad this is… part of the update will address that lower buffer (below zero miles) issue. Along with other things, the hopes are that the software update helps with the DC charging, etc.

[@TMS5100]

@@bmw803 scotty who?

[@mattl7967]

I heard they were the world leaders

[@lol-ge9bh]

@@bmw803dont buy it then

[@KyleConner]

Video quality almost as bad as my voice until KZbin processes this thing in the next hour or so!

[@MrNeeds]

Both gives us pain Kyle, rest up my guy, hope you feel better soon.

[@JoshuaRAnderson]

I'll just watch this on the smallest screen possible until then, lol

[@bangbangbowman284]

take a break, im sure you have videos (presickness) on the burner to crank out. get well soon

[@rogerstarkey5390]

You're going to end up in the "KZbin naughty corner!!!"

[@EP-mc5hx]

this is so sad to see, i went around the Island of Ireland in my model 3 LFP RWD about a month ago, stopped at all superchargers , coming in low and warm (learned that from you :) was getting 180ish max and still pulling 60-70 up at 90% on a v3 in galway, (staying long as the next supercharger was belfast and all 50kw DC between) total trip 13 hours, 1048km (thats a lot for ireland BTW). wouldn't like to do the same in the BZ4x, and using our countries public charging system (ESB) is worse than EA. love your videos Kyle, keep it up , and yes, you don't need wisdom teeth, you're clever enough already :)

[@Josh-179]

Toyota EV planning checklist: - make it one of the slowest charging EVs at launch. - give it the least range. - make it among the slowest EVs - give it no frunk. - don't even give it a glovebox. - put guages in awkward location - give it hideous black cladding - keep price inline with the best EVs.

[@rockymanbro]

- Claim "no one wants to buy electric cars"

[@muten861]

​@@rockymanbro thats exactly the point. The lower management didn't have the task to design a good EV. They where only asked to design an EV, which supports the shareholders and higher Managembent in their opinion that EVs are trash....

[@LouRaX]

and first they had a limit in the EU 2 fast charges in 24 Hours !!! then i slowes even more down! ... after that they made it to 4 fast charges in 24 hours

[@LouRaX]

add navigation thats comes from an ICE car and dosnt know anything about charging or charging stations

[@MrAAgabriel]

😂

[@RomanChaar]

Kyle’s voice is on 10%

[@johndavis7257]

It’s amazing how a company so good at hybrid drive trains is so bad at BEV ones. Like shouldn’t be that big of an engineering gap.

[@FutureAZA]

I'm not convinced Toyota is the one who did the engineering.

[@johndavis7257]

@@FutureAZA I mean they likely were. They tend to be 5+ years behind intentionally. My Tacoma has literally none of the tech that was becoming standard when I bought it. It took them 5 years later to catch up. It’s part of how they maintain their reliability ratings. They wait until the kinks are worked out of new tech before they adopt it. Their stuff doesn’t break because it’s tried and true before they release it. This car will probably do what they say it will, it’s just got few needed features because of their cautiousness. 5-7 years from now it’ll probably be like everyone else is currently lol I would have thought it would have been a little better though. Like 100-150kw charging would be a huge difference and still not groundbreaking.

[@JTube571]

Toyota has been very up front with their opinion that BEV vehicles are not the best near term solution, so it wouldn't surprise me if they are half assing it.

[@johndavis7257]

@@JTube571 I mean yeah, the new Tacoma getting hybrids is a good indication of what they're running for. Which wouldn't be a terrible model if they would have gone plug in hybrid. It would have likely gotten me to upgrade if I could go full electric for my local drives and keep gas for road trips which tend to go way into charging deserts for days.

[@V10PDTDI]

It’s 2023 and they are just now implementing non plug in hybrids in the Tacoma and they are the king in hybrid technology they had hybrid car in the late 90’s imagine when they are going to make a full EV Tacoma they don’t even have a Diesel truck in North America.

[@Cjdergrosse]

I completely agree this car is unsuitable for roadtripping, or long drives where you may be in a rush. BUT....... the target audience for this thing, it's pretty dang good. Think of those people who drive to work and back daily, in their Venza, Highlander or Avalon. They may go on road trips, but THEY don't drive, they're the passenger. For someone who wants to keep their car for 10-15 years, and switch to Electric, this is a great car. All those nannies, like limiting DC charging, having a HUGE buffer, slow AC charging will all help longevity. Mark my words, these first gen Bz4xasdf's will have the lowest degradation out of any EV at 10 years, guaranteed. Thats what Toyota is all about, reliability over whats new/fashionable/trendy.

[@cbatiau2528]

They seemed to have tried to be trendy or fashionable w this car; it’s very distinctive in looks, w no rear wiper, no glove box, bizarre instrument panel, etc … not at all like typical practical Toyotas

[@kwrzesien17]

I think the problem is that a lot of those same people don’t have a 220V connection where they park, so that will be a real problem for them. For any DINK’s with a home and garage yes this vehicle will be a great daily driver.

[@webcomment8895]

@@kwrzesien17 Not for $50K. Spend 50K on a Model Y or Ioniq. This a race to the bottom vs a Mazda MX30. At least a MX30 is less expensive for driving around town. Someone must do a comparison. “Most Terrible EV For The Money: BZ4X vs MX30.”

[@happycamperinc.]

This car is literal piece of 'Autofill'.

[@davidbaker9943]

Agreed

[@mtcl07]

I'd lean more towards the word "Landfill" lol

[@broosewee]

Sacrificing your voice for the content. That's dedication! Get well soon dude.

[@mattl7967]

The Cybertruck won’t pay itself off

[@cabruin98]

If Toyota continues this level of dedication with their EV offerings, we can be certain Toyota will join the ranks of Kodak, Blackberry and Nokia. 😢

[@Mikesele70]

And Polaroid.... unfortunately that one is painful ( my dad worked there for 35 years...)

[@phirunyin2344]

Nope

[@bmw803]

EVs have become a religion that politicians preach. Akio Toyoda was way ahead of most companies knowing that it's not that simple and it will take decades to implement, unless it turns into a major boondoggle, which might be the case. Always beware of anything politicians preach.

[@Cornelius87]

And maybe that's fine for them. I mean they make internal combustion engines, that's what they do, no need to be forced into someone they're not. They'll live as a company for as long as they can and then ride into the sunset. Problem is shareholders may not feel the same way.

[@passby8070]

@@Cornelius87 except that countries will phase out ICE cars in the 30s. Car emissions not only emits co2 but also alot of harmful gases that cause cancer and other respiratory disease. If they don't come up with some compelling EV models in the next two years, they are done for, they can't just become a minor player given the amount of debt they have.

[@TeslaRyan]

All the other companies are out there are making "Tesla killers" and here Toyota is making a "Bolt killer" at the price of a Tesla 🤣

[@sp1nrx]

GM beat them to killing the Bolt. Toyota is 0 for 2...

[@bigdi77]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Charlesbjtown]

It doesn't even kill the bolt. I own a bolt, and EVEN IT will charge faster dead to full.....faster than this thing.

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@sp1nrxOuch!!

[@isaaca.5553]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@stephenmiller6690]

Charging specs, range and reviews are why I cancelled my order for a BZ4X and bought a Kia EV6.

[@jeffs6090]

I would've never ordered one to begin with due to the looks and name alone.

[@SkaBob]

We have the Ioniq 5, that and the EV6 seem way better than this thing. A really poor attempt and a car that will likely only last a few years before they drop it.

[@ulfw]

Those two cars are world's apart EV-wise. You made the right call.

[@tomm5936]

Please continue this. Much more relevant to us than 0-100% tests. Yikes to Toyota, I used to drive Toyotas, not again with this performance, I’m happy I went with the Kia EV6.

[@jesbecker2325]

I love my EV6 AWD GT-Line

[@phirunyin2344]

Even at 17mpg, I will continue to drive my neglected GX 470, which has remained trouble-free for the 17 years that I've owned it.

[@CarsonStuart]

I have been a Toyota customer for 20+ years, not anymore. I am happy with my Kia EV6 Wind.

[@Steve_Mazza]

@@phirunyin2344 Well, this is a good point. Toyota is a conservative company and they use what they know will work. Hyundai, Kia, Chevrolet - they may be offering better performance now, but they also have a much worse record of reliability. I know the Bolt is (was) a good car, but does anyone remember the massive battery recall for catastrophic fires? It's good for carmakers to push technology, but remember that you, the consumer, bear a large part of the risk when they do push it.

[@taliskertime1668]

I’ve owned 2 Toyota Tundras. Went with the EV6 GT Line. Very happy with it. Bz4x has unacceptable range for the price point.

[@michael.hiran-ph]

It's almost like Toyota wants to make bev's look bad... oh wait, they actually DO try to do that

[@ronaldlenz5745]

My thought exactly!

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

My British Mom described childish behaviors that hurt yourself as, "cutting off your nose to spite your face..."

[@LearningFast]

Hope you feel better soon Kyle. Boy, you sounded rough in this video. Thanks for bringing us such great content even when you aren’t feeling optimal.

[@shamarvanhook01]

Much respect

[@shawgod]

I have a 2024 of this vehicle and it charges real fast. They changed quite a bit in the vehicle between the two years. Unfortunately to the 2023 year owners there were hardware changes made that a software update will not fix. But I find that I can get my charging speed easily up in the 100 kWh most of the time when I am DC charging on the right charger. I can go from a 5% battery to a completely full battery in 45 minutes approximately. So Toyota has worked on this issue a lot. So now they need to release some of the buffer so we can get more mileage out of the battery.

[@benwinslow3101]

Feel better soon Kyle, thanks for the video

[@k5149]

The Ariya doesn’t have this limit Kyle. Drove from Seattle to Denver and back last weekend and on the way back had 4 charges in a day. It wasn’t slow (granted wasn’t super fast) but it was consistently around the 129-132 Kw mark till the pack hit 50 or so and then tapers slowly.

[@rosmarin2438]

Difference is Ariya isn’t a pile of dog excrement like this is

[@vwrick32]

The fully-charged range test is great, but this test is the most applicable to the every day electric car owner. Thanks very much for running these, Kyle! 😁👍

[@kwrzesien17]

Kyle might need to split up these EV’s into two groups: 15 minute test and 30 minute test. Only the special EV’s can really pull off the 15 minute charge in 2023.

[@inciwillard991]

@@kwrzesien17 My rule in Tesla MS LR, precondition prior to arriving at V3 charger between 18 to 20% and never charge above 80%. That gives me enough time to run for the ladies room and just maybe get a cup of coffee if the market is few steps away and no lines within less than 15 minutes. I loathe paying the idling charges.

[@sunnyzhang7475]

Now you are talking Kyle. 0-100% curve doesn't mean anything, charging speed doesn't mean anything, it's all about how many miles I can regain during my 15 min pit stop. Take Aptera for example, it charges only at 50KW, but because it's soooooo efficient, 15 min would regain around 150 miles. And since it only need 50KW charger, all of a sudden my charging options are greatly extended, sometimes even a level 2 would do. I think this 15 min charging test is what matters the most for those serious mileage eaters.

[@Snerdles]

I also really like the 15 minute charge test. I regularly stop for 10-12 minutes and pop my PHEV on a little level 2 charger because they are slightly cheaper than gas and I may as well since almost no one else uses them. What I am waiting for is an EV that you can drive a 3 mile leg at highway speed in 15 minutes. That would be the point I feel like charging on a long trip no longer is an issue and you'll usually stop in that time somewhere anyway. Most seem to be nowhere near that level though.

[@joshwillis7939]

Would love to see you do this with the EV6 or Ioniq 5.

[@binflydushy]

Please try the ID4 on this test

[@XMG3]

in terms of pricing, its really region based, here in BC canada, we get $9000 rebate from provincial and federal government, and the starting MSRP for BZ4X L (lower trim than LE) is $48,000 CAD ($36,327 USD) compared to tesla model Y base price $62,000 CAD ($47,000 USD) so this car absolutely makes sense here and is a far better buy. My daily commute is just short distance for work, and weekend usage to take my kids to parks and beaches, everything within the city. It's a perfect fit for me

[@JrPringle]

Why would you spend that much money when you can get a Bolt EUV for almost $20K less with comparable charging speeds. I rather save $20K and charge at 45-55 Kwh.

[@jgodin03]

The Bolt EUV is a much smaller car. People in the market for a BZ4X wouldn’t consider it. The Ioniq 5, EV6, Mach E, etc… would be a better comparison.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

If you look up "Designed by committee", that dash has to be mentioned?

[@88darnell]

I’ve owned a bZ4X for six months and can confirm that these test results are not a fluke. I can’t determine if Toyota’s marketing dept. is guilty of false advertising or if their engineers are terrible at math and real world testing.

[@TAD-9]

Management clearly doesnt understand the technology.

[@bitcoinman9202]

why would you even buy it when you can get much better for the same or cheaper price? what was the reasoning?

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

That is criminal as VAG Dieselgate before. Their data are far from any reality and therefore fraudulant. Customers (not Toyota believers) should file accusations against Toyota and Subaru for false claims and unfair competition based on lies about technical data e.g. completely unrealistic WLTP far from any best case Szenario.

[@Dubitz]

Why did you decide to buy it?

[@bitcoinman9202]

@@Dubitz I bought the model y instead that Toyota is a piece of shit

[@kezarjg]

If you're looking for the SoC for the Meter, the PID is below. Car Scanner doesn't have it in their app yet. 0x221739 A 0 100 % 745 ATCRA74D ATCRA 1

[@KaiPonte]

amazing, i was so looking forward to to this car. so glad I didn't wait.

[@Martinm210]

Wow, I think a bolt with it's better efficiency will actually beat the BZ4X in this 10% challenge. It almost feels like Toyota didn't want this car to do well. That's soo bad! wow

[@Shy_Knee_Side_Up]

Wait what? Say that again? There is NO % SOC level indicator in the vehicle? How does one of the largest car companies on earth release a brand new EV without that? I don’t care if “there is a software update coming”. That is simply unacceptable. SMH.

[@natehoy6924]

Weirdly, the Chevy Bolt also does not have a percentage display (at least not in the 2020 models). It's miles/km of range only. But the Bolt doesn't really claim to be a road tripper. And it's a whole lot cheaper than the BZ4X. And you can road trip in it if you are patient because its slow DCFC speeds at least maintain their glacial pace as many times as you want to do it daily (the BZ4X only allows a specific amount of DCFC in a day, then it throttles down to well below 20kW).

[@rosmarin2438]

@@natehoy6924 BOLT is a POS too

[@Cornelius87]

I guess their logic is that they want it to be more like an ice vehicle. No car I have owned shows you fuel tank level in percentage so maybe they're just trying to mimic that?

[@natehoy6924]

@@Cornelius87 Good point. "Premium" gas cars have tended to show remaining fuel in terms of an approximation of miles remaining, so that may be the feel they were going for.

[@Steve_Mazza]

Well, you drive miles, not percents. So a miles remaining display is probably more useful in most situations. I can understand that seeing a % display may be reassuring, but it's also sort of a lie, because as Kyle showed, the vehicle tells itself one charge %, but tells the user a different one. And this is standard practice, similar to how gas gauges read "empty" before the tank is actually empty.

[@marcelrochon]

The ability to reduce charging power allows to use lower cost charging brackets. For example with Electrify Canada If the setting is at MAX I will pay the rate of charging costs for 100kW charging even though it will not go much above 70kW charging. But if I set the max charging at 75kW I will pay the charging rate that is half the price of the above 80kW charging rate… I tested that myself and it works.

[@JohnGeorgeBauerBuis]

This is an excellent point.

[@mikecarter2737]

Our Mach-e would only charge @62kW on EA Signet due to throttling possibly related to ID.4/Signet heat issues. This was after preheating battery. There was a screen message about the de-rating.

[@abraxastulammo9940]

They should just acquire the Hypercharger 400...

[@777Outrigger]

I remember a Tesla bear saying, 'there isn't anything Tesla can do that Toyota can't do'. Really?

[@brutusacevedo3752]

Thinking of buying this vehicle for few weeks now. but this videos are so helpful!! Pending for now😏

[@jesbecker2325]

Get the EV6. I almost got this can and then the recall happened. Then for the EV6 and I could not be happier

[@Old1Too]

We bought the sister Subaru Solterra and are very happy with it. BUT.. we only charge at home and do not plan on going on road trips with it. This is our daily driver and has all the comfort features we wanted. I would say it is the most Un-EV EV made. In fact most people that have ridden with us don't even know its an EV until I tell them. I think they purposely designed it to operate like a regular car instead of like an EV so that the average person wouldn't be shocked at all the EV tech that most other EV's have.

[@brutusacevedo3752]

Got the bz4x yesterday. Sad leaving my Prius prime behind. 👍

[@t3hpwninat0r]

"10% that's when your butt's gonna start puckering on a road trip" 🤣 in the UK we call that "squeaky bum time"

[@mev202]

Toyota really thought they'd make a really terrible BEV and that would convince people that hybrid is the way. Whereas Ford, Tesla, Hyundai, Kia and VW are now churning out decent, long range, fast charging cars. (Ford are about to launch a small car in the EU.) Toyota is in serious trouble.

[@GoodToCU88]

Toyota bet for the future is Hydrogen fuel cell but it is not doing well and I doubt it’s gonna do well in the future

[@mev202]

@@GoodToCU88 you're absolutely right, I don't know where you are in the world, but I'm the UK, Toyota have been running these adverts for a while now. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn7SdJ1_g9SUaq8 it portrays EVs as only driven by hippies and that they are slow. Quite ridiculous.

[@JTube571]

@@GoodToCU88 As a car enthusiast I hope they succeed with hydrogen.

[@rosmarin2438]

Don’t forget bmw

[@mev202]

@@rosmarin2438 BMW don't make a dedicated BEV they are all mule cars, where the chassis is set up for ICE, then they squeeze in the electric bit. Even the new ix1 is a mule car.

[@petrkocandrle3779]

Fortunately the new software makes the car so much better. At least according to videos from Bjorn Nyland, who was receiving ~140 kW charging rate consistently. Unless he collected enough "punishment points" and the car started to throttle charging very badly.

[@xenrin]

Was wondering if the slow charging speed was a physical limitation of their architecture or something that could be fixed with a software update.

[@chaseroo12]

The latest software update won't help the car used in this test. The car tested in this video has the CATL battery pack (spec'ed on North America Solterra and AWD bZ4X) and the latest software update only improves DC fast charge rate above 80% SOC. Bjorn, being in Europe, has the Panasonic battery pack which can charge up to 150 kW max. Toyota enforces a slower charge rate on CATL batteries.

[@petrkocandrle3779]

@@chaseroo12 Thanks for the insight. I wasn't aware of the battery differences.

[@581rma]

Kyle, I just got done watching a video good analysis on the 10% challenge. One thing I did notice at that site is they displayed a sign stating $150 fine for not utilizing those chargers They should definitely enforce this policy at a state level

[@jonathanparker1749]

This is a perfect way to test evs. Real life testing

[@jackgreenstalk777]

15 minute stop is fair. Enough to hit a bathroom, grab a snack and get situated for next stretch of road trips (gps, enjoying snack, getting back to messages etc)

[@ronaldlenz5745]

15 minute stop for a 43 mile gain. Give me a break.

[@charlescole-p9v]

I think the Japanese auto makers have completely lost sight of what people want/need ! And they're about 10 years too late.

[@bitbat9]

Honda and Toyota are in the Top 5 best selling car brands lmao

[@davidmenasco5743]

​@@bitbat9It will be very interesting to see how that looks in five or six years. Model Y has just gone past RAV4 and Corolla in global sales for March 2023.

[@Hogtown1986]

@@bitbat9 circa 2008, Nokia and Blackberry dominated the cell phone market. Circa 2000 Kodak dominated film sales and Blockbuster dominated home entertainment.

[@bitbat9]

@@davidmenasco5743 I guarantee that they will stop be on top in 5 years. EVs will still be too expensive for most people at that point

[@bitbat9]

@@Hogtown1986 Cool, comparing phones and film to automobiles. Makes absolutely no sense

[@LearningFast]

The only worse than this car's charging speed would be if the wheels fell off. Oh, wait that actually happened with this car too.

[@dyhppyx]

Great to know there's finally a lower limit where you'll say something is bad

[@p0kerp1aya]

Ive heard that Toyota is specifically handcuffing the charging speeds because they dont want to stress the battery. It woudnt suprise me if the battery pack was made up from a bunch of leftover plugin hybrid battery packs, where the battery chemistry is more suited for level 2 charging. ??? IDK...

[@ouch1011]

It’s funny to think that a Bolt might perform better in this test using a 2017 model year design than a brand new design from Toyota. Charging speed is very similar but the Bolt would be more efficient. I’ve seen more of these driving around AND sitting at EA stations than Ioniq5s. I really just have to feel that the people who are buying these only bought them because they’re a Toyota/Subaru and did literally zero research.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

Those bZ4Xs could be owned by the dealer.

[@henriklarsson7835]

Thanks for a very revealing test. The FWD has a different type of battery and I’m told it charges faster and has a longer range. If possible, would be great to have that tested.

[@azera55555]

Love this realistic important test

[@jwardell]

What’s crazy to me is I’m starting to see BZ4X every week now. On the highway and at EA. People are buying these things.

[@ronaldlenz5745]

The trade-in value will tank.

[@chicomtl]

Loving this series !❤

[@marc1045]

If you can run this test on an ioniq 6 next that would be great! On paper it seems amazing but I've always wondered if real world numbers would be different

[@Lifecoach7Ra]

The real world performance of 800 Volts is amazing and Hyundai group the only company near Tesla or BYD. Since May 2022 I own the Kia EV6 AWD with measured 333 PS and 608 Nm torque after owning 54 years mostly German and European ‚Premium‘ also once had a crap of Pontiac and Mustang but my Life was important to me driving fast and also on tracks that are fit with real curves. The worlds #1 head of BMW M-Sports Albert Biermann was responsible for the drivetrain. The battery is communicated with 77,4 kWh but net and has in fact 87 kWh brut, so degradation will not show soon. Nothing they promise that they cannot deliver e.g. 0-100 km/h in 5,2 seconds but mine makes 5,0! 10% to 80% SoC at over 240 kW and really in 18 minutes at working 350 kW HPC charger. However only Tesla chargers at the moment are reliable and deliver!😂 Range in Eco mode, 21°C interior and 23°C outside with soft throttle is up to real 500 km on highways and mountain roads of Switzerland. Consumption is lowest in its class for me with 17,4 kW per 100 km. An EQE or Q4 e-Tron uses 23 to 24 kW for the same. Only Teslas can be driven that way so far, not even BYD, Aiways or MG/SAIC nor all the smaller cars from Stellantis I have been testing. One year and not one single problem, next updates OTA also. So it’s only that most people still wait for enough cars. Production hell as per Elon Musk😜

[@Longsnowsm]

I would like to see that Model 3 RWD do the 10% and range tests. You will have to give Dave back his Lucid and steal his M3! LOL

[@MatteoSaitta]

Other reviewer tried to guess why battery conditioning is disabled by default, in japan there are regulation about idle vehicle noise levels and hearing/cooling the battery while charging would make it fail. It's the same in the Ariya, you need to turn it on yourself.

[@ALRinaldi]

Well, at least the wheels didn't fall off... so they've got that going for em... now...

[@brianb5723]

Its amazing how a great automaker like Toyota just got this so wrong...they have TONS of room for improvement.

[@esmooth919]

They never believed in battery EVs to begin with, so this does not surprise me in the slightest.

[@siberx4]

The Bolt charges just about as slow as this, with the difference being that it would probably achieve 3.1-3.5mi/kWh in the same test. This would put it 20-40% ahead of the bZ4X; not exactly fast, but a whole lot better for a car that's a heck of a lot cheaper and not really marketed for road trips at all.

[@TheTradosaurus]

That and the bolt is almost 50% cheaper

[@RealityStudioLLC888]

I struggle to understand why anyone would buy this vehicle given the other options available.

[@ronaldlenz5745]

Sadly, I know Toyota loyalists will buy this POS, then tell all of their friends that it is a POS and go back to ICE. These people are out there.

[@AliNajafies]

Ok, so this is the car based on which Toyota advertisement team claimed that charging EVs is slow. Not surprising! They've done their best to prove it in practice. :D

[@newscoulomb3705]

Thanks, Kyle! 4:50 I don't recall you running AC in the previous 10% tests, and I guess I'm not sure why you would do it. To me, a 15-minute stop on a road trip represents a rest or bathroom break, where you typically turn off the car, plug it in, and walk away. It also adds an incontrollable element, where different cars will be impacted differently based on the current conditions at the time of the test.

[@Charlesbjtown]

Most people actually WON'T turn off the AC/heat especially if it's really hot/ cold. They will turn off the vehicle..... but keep the hvac running. This can be done with pretty much any EV.

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@Charlesbjtown Sure, but it's often it's not worth the bother, especially for 15 minutes. Either way, that's not really my point. My concern is that this introduces yet another variable to this test in addition to the variance we'll already see due to weather conditions during the driving itself.

[@rosmarin2438]

Lol it’s still a pile of crap

[@newscoulomb3705]

@@rosmarin2438 And that's an irrelevant comment. 🤷‍♂️ Kyle is just starting to conduct these tests, so if he wants this to be part of the methodology, he's going to at least want to track conditions across all sessions.

[@joesomontan9374]

Great video! Can you do a retest with the updated software? The test you're using isn't using the new update that suppose to mitigate these issues. TIA

[@ChuckJ1944]

Wow what a car! Hope you do good with your surgery.

[@jacobschares8641]

I need to know if the bolt would do better or worse than this. Bolt charges slower, but might be efficient enough to make up that difference.

[@Zavarcerealtor]

Reminds me, in a way, at how the '19 etron had a significant battery buffer which limited its range.....which then was increased the following year. But for Toyota to pull this stunt with this car after they were the leading manufacturers of hybrids for over 23 years is baffling. Like, they KNOW how to make an electric car, allegedly, but now I wonder if they ever knew anything all along. Especially after entering the EV market so late in the game. They had time to scope the competition and this is what they chose to do

[@prerunnerwannabe]

Man, everything about the driver interface is mind blowingly ugly. The steering wheel, the steering column, the weird display that looks like it has melted and slid towards the windshield, and even the center screen. Like seriously, how did Toyota make this thing SO ugly?

[@dabrain22video]

this makes me laugh watching a non tesla review video and how far behind everybody is.

[@matthewprather7386]

Have to run this again when the BZ4X software update is out? It’s supposed to address a number of the range related issues?

[@MarioGingras]

This car is a compliance car from Toyota, Toyota still believe that battery electric car are not the way to go. They are still working on hydrogen with either fuel cell or plain hydrogen engine

[@EV_OBD]

This bZ4x has IR-radiant heaters, please check how many watts do they consume? Be careful not to kick them, cabin IR-heaters are very expensive to replace ($13,800 MSRP).

[@fleecystheking]

It's hard to understand why this vehicle has been released for sale as-is. So prototype-ish in its charging behavior.

[@justinfowler2857]

Because the point is to convince people that electric cars don't work. It's just another compliance car.

[@rahpowah01]

It's nothing more than a compliance car. They don't even want to sell many of these.

[@thekat-dg9fx]

The car is a very finished car aside from charging rates. And according to Toyota, it is "operating as designed." This is no prototype. It's exactly what Toyota wants it to be. 😞

[@rosmarin2438]

@@justinfowler2857 malicious compliance car

[@webcomment8895]

@@thekat-dg9fx The weird HUD requiring the steering wheel to be in an unnaturally low position, no glove box and the dark painted front fenders seem intentionally designed to be off-putting.

[@2phonesbabyken]

I have to admit this is a great-looking compliance car in darker paint jobs.

[@davidwalker72]

As a Bolt owner, i really want to see it beat this...

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

I have a bolt through my neck! Holds my head up, eh?

[@davidwalker72]

@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck clever

[@SeeliLeck3r]

How is it possible such a major car manufacturer came out with this kind of EV ? It's like they don't want to sell EV at all. And the 24h charging sessions limit, WTF ??? This EV looks like a pure scam. I can't believe it 😐 At least your test is totally aligned with the one performed by Bjorn, where the outcome was the same

[@mt2nv1]

Toyota is well known for efficiency, low cost of ownership and reliability. They then added environment and sustainability messaging with the Prius. They basically prepared their customers for EVs, but never made them. 😂

[@spazzman90]

They will, just on their terms. They literally just spent billions converting their entire line to hybrids after the extended Prius experiment. They also wrongly bet that EVs would have much slower adoption. They know full EV will be a thing at some point, but they gotta recoup some of that hybrid R&D first. Beings their sales show no signs of slowing, they can keep the hybrid only portfolio going probably for at least another 5 years.

[@xchopp]

So glad I bought a Kona Electric last year. Toyota is infamous in EV circles for having all the advantages with the Prius -- and blowing it. Ditto (almost) Nissan. The Japanese have truly lost out to the South Koreans, Ford and VW struggling to keep up. GM canceling the Bolt / Bolt EUV makes it even harder to trust it with anything. Wasn't there a (very entertaining) Superbowl ad last year where it promised "30 EVs globally by 2025". That's in two years! Where will they be selling them all, Norway and China?

[@xchopp]

Here it is: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2SzfIJjYq1retE

[@Charlesbjtown]

That charging performance is no less than putrid. Funny thing is, there will be those who think this thing is the best thing ever, for no other reason than it's a Toyota.

[@mondotv4216]

I think this test makes sense although I think 15 mins is more a quick break. Lunch would take more like 30mins. I really wish you'd change the full highway range tests to stop at zero percent rather than running them past that down to dead battery. My reasoning is zero percent is where the manufacturer says the pack is empty - therefore that's the actual range as calculated for EPA or WLTP. Drivers aren't typically going to run their cars all the way to zero let alone past that. There is value in completely draining the pack but only to inform drivers of their emergency range.

[@bobbyQQ]

Great video with great info. Love your tests you put these EVs through.

[@mr88cet]

Toyota seems to have designed the BZ4x to convince themselves that nobody wants EVs: “Everybody kept whining that we need to create an EV. Well, we did, and see? Nobody’s buying it!”

[@GregHassler]

This would be a great car in 2017.

[@ronaldlenz5745]

2007

[@lol-ge9bh]

@@ronaldlenz5745no 2017, 2007 is too outdated

[@TheRealLaughingGravy]

Ha ha ha! Thanks for the foreshadowing. "I don't think it's gonna win."

[@irfanhusein1445]

Hopefully I get to to see this test on a Mach E before I start a 4000 trip from Los Angeles to Jasper national park and back.

[@ronaldlenz5745]

Good luck with EA and EVGo.

[@irfanhusein1445]

@@ronaldlenz5745 I haven’t goad any issues with charging on my last trip from Los Angeles to Toronto and back. EA was actually the most reliable on that trip. However this trip goes through a charging desert between Calgary and Yellowstone so planning will be the key.

[@thekat-dg9fx]

Kyle, please do this test with you old Nissan Leaf. Seriously. It won't compete with the Model Y or the Taycan, but the Bz4X? I fear it will be closer than it should be.

[@WestCoastTrans]

It was nice meeting you too man!!

[@robertcherry4256]

The bZ has a max charge capacity of 150kWh (to protect the battery and provide longevity), so at that level it can't 'compete' with the charging speed of Tesla and Porche. So, if you charge the Toyota under your test conditions for one hour to equate to the average of the others, the Toyota would travel 168 miles, beating both the others on distance covered. Also in 5 years time which car do you think will have minimal battery degradation. And btw I have owned a bZ4x since December 2022, I too am disappointed with the energy performance. i'm waiting on the software update.

[@robertcherry4256]

Also, note, did you deliberately not include the added kWh for the Porche and Tesla to expose the bZ?

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

What is the battery degradation after 6 months?

[@robertcherry4256]

@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck I give up!

[@javierglm95]

What a terrible job has Toyota done with the bz4x

[@JonathanRegenNJ]

Other than a local grocery getter, there is no reason for this car to exist with its horrible dc charging. Also started getting a headache looking at all of the buttons on the dashboard.

[@bmw803]

Why then spend 50K to go get groceries and commute? Buy a used FORD FOCUS EV, or like Kyle did with the 3K Nissan leaf.

[@rosmarin2438]

It’s basically a RAV4 ev refresh and a pile just the same

[@EVAddicted]

I guess KIA Niro EV now charges faster than bZ4X

[@KayvonJavid]

I have that reconnecting to vehicle all the time at EA with my BMW i3 there are a couple of dispensers that just won’t work at all. It is really frustrating especially when it’s the only one available.

[@EzekielElin]

2024 model should get up to 50% in 15 minutes based on my testing

[@Jeddin]

Toyota told Björn that the charging algorithm is more complicated then just DC Charging. It’s a contribution points system where amount of DC Charging will reduce max charging speed. But also charging at high temperature will also reduce charging speed and AC charging will restore charging speed.

[@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck]

But Kyle turned the AC on!💋

[@JTube571]

Toyota has been very clear that they do not believe BEV is the best near term solution and that HEV's are the way to go. So that may have some impact on the effort the put forth on their electric vehicles. It would not surprise me if they are half assing it.

[@davidmenasco5743]

Based on the naming, the styling, the feature set, the pricing, and the total lack of marketing, not to mention all the things the CEO has said, and the vicious anti-EV ads they ran for years in Europe, it is abundantly clear they had no intention of selling more than a handful of these. They will probably make fewer than 30,000 in any year, even with the new CEO having a greater commitment to EVs. Heck, they may never reach 30,000 cumulative sales in the life of this model (which will be very short).

[@nightwheel]

Dear Lord, the menu/UI of the small center cluster color LCD dashboard display in my 2014 Ford Escape Titanium looks better and seems make more sense. Compared to what I am seeing of the entire LCD dashboard cluster on that Toyota bZ4X. How in the world can a nearly 10-year-old car have a better looking, more easily usable LCD dashboard than a new car? Especially when said display on my Ford is only part of the gauge cluster and not the whole thing. On the flip side, it seems the infotainment in the bZ4X to leagues better than the MyFord Touch system in my Escape. Which is a low bar to get over mind you lol.

[@Noaixs]

People who are first time buyers of this EV will never buy an EV again, maybe this is Toyota's plan. The setting for the lower charging speed is to get less punishment points according TeslaBjorn so you can use more supercharging in that time window.

[@kevinratha]

I am at present , doing a 14 day road trip in Norway and Hertz gave me Toyota BZ4X instead of ID 4 ( which I requested). I was told by the Hertz guy that the range is similar to ID4 , so it won't matter. My 10 days of road trip analysis - the real range at 85-90% battery is just 280-300km and I once got it 98% charged and my range as shown was just 325 km....And the whole road trip, I had to charge it every day because I was not sure of its real range and didn't want to take chance. And Second grouse was it's slow charging. Even when I used a 300 or 150 kw super chargers, to go from 70% to 85% , it would take close to 1 and half hrs....and the only time from 55% to 98%, it took close to 2 hrs. I could see, Hyundai ioniq and even ID 4 who would charge along side with me , would get it charged much quicker. I am not an expert in EV, but this vehicle is a bummer for EV beginners. And it also makes some strange metallic tinnitus like sound all through out.

[@samskinner2302]

Toyota knows battery systems well they have had the Prius in production since 1997. I have owned one since 2008 and have only spent a little under $2000.00 in matience. The car is a Tank. Why is every taxi a Prius? Pure dependabilty. On the BZ4X They offer a 8 year battery warranty. They want the batteries to charge slower to make them last longer. I have nothing but good things to say about Toyota engineering and i have bought BZ4X, we will see which EV is best in 10 years!

[@Ficon]

People are shocked that Toyota, the purveyor of a 2023 4Runner with a 5-speed automatic, the opponent of CARB, the hydrogen loser, has phoned it in with their first EV car. Honey, they have been phoning it in with every product for the last 30 years.

[@justinfowler2857]

Toyota: Moving forward. Also Toyota: Only on gasoline though.

[@jocelyndeguise]

Editing suggestion: Kyle, when your editor dissolves from one video clip to the other, he (or she) should adjust the in-point so that it doesn't also cross-fade the audio. It's very annoying and quite a bit "amateurish" to always hear the last words of the first clip fade-out while the beginning audio of the next clip fades-in. Otherwise? Let's face it: the bZ4X is an epic fail for Toyota.

[@Ducatista10]

Kyle can you please put some pressure on Toyota/Subaru USA and Canada regarding the software update for it that the rest of the world started getting. No word in North America yet. Not even an acknowledgment of its existence which is crazy. Hoping they aren’t overlooking us because the CATL packs.

[@mikadavies660]

Correct ... Impossible to price a BZ4X at the same as a Model Y.... Is it so overpriced it is unreal.

[@Necrotron]

And to think, in the video where the ID.4 owner tested the bz4X and I commented on how bad the charging of the bz4X AWD is, I got chided that my facts were wrong and the AWD bz4X now had a better charging experience post update. Guess not yet 🤪

[@BrightChocolate]

We need to see the results of EV6 and Ioniq5 on a 350kW charger. It should reach 70% and go atleast 150 mi at 68F and 80mph. Should be more than a Taycan