The Tragedy of Gen 3 Dragonite.

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Pokemon Competitive Singles has been kind to Dragonite over the years. One of the most iconic Pokemon of all time and the original "Pseudo Legendary", Dragonite seems to receive both direct and indirect buffs as each new generation releases.
However, there was a time when Dragonite really struggled. Back in Gen 3 OU, Salamence was released who completely outclassed Dragonite. Salamence had identical typing with higher speed and a superior ability.
Does Dragonite have anything to offer in Gen 3? It might just surprise you folks.
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[@Ash-jv9gx]

Fake gameplay 💀💀

[@blahtest]

@@Ash-jv9gx no?

[@b1uezje]

Dragonite Dhursday. Let's freaking go, gamers.

[@Naxafa]

Doomsday

[@tsawy6]

Its a dragonite day of the week folks

[@RohanJoshi910]

Dragonite ThursDAY 😱

[@substitutedoll5224]

damers*

[@KingStr0ng]

*Det's dreaking do, damers.

[@shoogles_]

I'm glad Showdown is back up. Now I can go back to rubbing my chin and musing "of course, good point" on KZbin videos while never actually playing the damn game myself

[@AttmozGlaishur]

Real

[@incendiaryvicis]

Hey knowledge is knowledge largely same like I’ll play occasionally with friends but I don’t play competetive I still have fun learning how yugioh which I also like to watch some videos on sometimes I don’t play that in any capacity but hey knowledge is knowledge so I feel ya haha

[@justadummy8076]

So real, I don’t play competitive or even casual online Pokémon, but you bet your sweet bippity I still watch WolfeyVGC

[@kaboissonneault]

It's so weird how Extremespeed skipped a gen

[@niXourbis]

It's because only the one gift Dratini in Johto could learn extreme speed, it didn't come back until HG/SS

[@raulvalledor8935]

​@@niXourbisDidn't know that, thanks for explaining

[@williamdrum9899]

​@@niXourbis Still weird that they didn't give Dratini a way to learn it in Gen 3 though

[@breloommaster12]

@@williamdrum9899 many people don't realize that the transition from GSC to Ruby/Sapphire was the _first_ Dexit; all those legacy GSC moves lost until the Virtual Console Crystal version brought back some of them (but not the event moves still)

[@MeatKisser]

Hey man, just because Salamence has a better jawline does NOT give you the right to make fun of dragonite

[@lunarionion]

Goofy fat dragon.

[@kingambitreal]

Salamewnce (Hidden Ability: Mogsie)

[@BandedMetagrossMeteorMash]

Salamewnce mogging betanite

[@ANGST.ARGENTINA]

Salamence is such a skibidi toilet, he destroyed Dragonite's mewing streak!

[@naberal]

Viabilitymaxxing

[@peacebone8112]

Dragonite gets inner focus and still loses focus when people hit it after a focus punch. This is insane.

[@GIR177]

There's an IQ skill in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon called No-Charger which allows you to use charge moves without delay. Inner Focus should've had a bonus effect like that.

[@sekaihunter9378]

Dragonite's suffering in Gen 3 was just a set up for the greatest training arc in gen 4, followed by the greatest tournament arc in gen 5 and the best redemption arc in Gen 9.

[@gamedominatorxennongdm7956]

Turns out Dragonite is the main character.

[@GoldStorm07]

If Dragonite had just held onto Shed Skin from its preevolutions instead of getting Inner Focus, it would have been very good at shrugging off paralysis and burns while doing its thing as a bulky attacker. Fly might have become a staple of its sets earlier by giving more opportunities to stall out status effects.

[@Wgar1]

Or if the recent buffs to inner focus were there from the beginning

[@GoldGuard]

It's crazy seeing how many Pokemon in ADV OU can get away with running no STAB.

[@iantaakalla8180]

That is what I like about ADV meta. There are powerful moves and STAB combos, but there is no expectation of Pokémon minmaxing because it just is not there yet, so Pokemon teams, with individual Pokemon and other stuff, have to be creative.

[@feelsokayman5656]

The lower power level my dude, no Skill Combat or Skillrage (120p/100ac) moves who only pros can click it

[@CarloVaccariPlus]

I like the contrast between frail STAB sweepers like Heracross with Megahorn, and the stronger-base-stat pokemon like the pseudo-legendaries who don't get high power STAB moves.

[@vera-ej6kj]

Don’t let this video distract you from the fact that Jimothy Cool lost to a Squirtle team.

[@sheban777]

When I need to see this

[@Lobster222]

@@sheban777 on Jimothy gaming

[@vladfi1]

Wasn't it actually Squirtle + Pikachu?

[@jaketerpening3284]

@@sheban777 It was in his monkey monday video. Squirtle did nothing. He was running a team without Tyranitar and got swept by endure reversal Heracross.

[@3godzilla3]

Jimothy Not So Cool

[@lizardcat_ana]

dragonite is lovely, he deserves a hug

[@ardentknight88]

Double Magcargo is something the world would never be ready for

[@99sonder]

Imagine if for Focus punch, what would stop it from working is that you get flinched when you take damage. So Inner Focus mons with Focus Punch would get free access to a 150 BP minus priority move

[@freecomet]

"there's nothing preventing you from running Dragonite and Salamence." Lance moment

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

I don’t know if anyone here watched/read Baki, but my mental image for Focus Punch being used is Kaoru Hanayama’s strongest punch

[@e-duh3529]

And no Yujiro to tank it

[@FatherAbroham]

He may have lost the battle, but he's won the war.

[@chilitofu3512]

he made the biggest reversal during gen 9

[@snakexpert552]

I always miss my Gen 5 rain team Dragonite with Draco Meteor, Thunder, Hurricane, and Surf and a surprise Choice Scarf. It was such a beast that Dragonite overtook Salamence as my favorite pokemon. Respect my GOAT

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

i've actually used dragonite on a superman stall build and it's really good there, it fills a similar role to articuno but it has some actual resistances which i personally prefer. the set i use is hp fly, rest, sleep talk and heal bell, and it can switch into a pretty wide variety of mons like fighting types, water types (as long as you scout for ice beam first), fire types, celebi, flygon and rachi if it doesn't have ice punch. it can sit on anything by rest talking, and it heals its own sleep if it calls heal bell which makes it even better. it functions similarly to wish mence but it has a lot more longevity, and you're trading wish for heal bell so you'd either need lots of recovery or another mon with wish.

[@derealiiqwq2152]

Its so cool what you're doing for the community with gen 3 revival. One of the best pokemon youtubers for sure :)

[@reicem3840]

Mom, can we get a Salamance? No Son, we have a dragonite at home

[@CalebSmith-gg1dt]

This provided really good insight into Dragonite. Thank you, Jim!

[@lilythebluespheresfan2897]

I Know you despise post-multiscale dragonite, but honestly the boi deserves it, he struggled in your favorite generation 🥺

[@axlr8deathpls294]

Should have gotten thick fat instead

[@BeforeThePast]

You actually can break focus punch behind a sub. Rock blast! A very niche interaction, but it's possible.

[@mozeez102]

On a typing theme continuation, it would be cool to see a video covering altaria

[@harb1ng3r82]

I personally think that it’s cool that Dnite isn’t very good in Gen 3 and is only used in edge cases to compress roles or run interesting coverage with a wide movepool, because it’s really obnoxious to deal with in so many other generations. Even when it’s not great, it’s usually still fairly linear and takes advantage of uninteractive tools or powerful generational gimmicks. ADV is one of very few generations where it’s both fun to use and fun to play against.

[@tomasuzateguiorchard5190]

Love the Pilot wings briefing song used in your videos!

[@aldwych285]

Dragonite: You Salamence: The guy she tells you not to worry about

[@donttrustnoone3921]

And now in more recent metas Dragonite has outgrown Salamence Theres a moral here somehwere folks

[@an8790]

​@@donttrustnoone3921Every dragon has its night.

[@an8790]

Dragonite Watch him take flight A stellar might, an ace in the fight Although in gen 3, he's simply alright

[@snakexpert552]

@@donttrustnoone3921 nice guys/Cute Bois finish last

[@feelsokayman5656]

In my case im Slakoth and the other guy is Mewtwo

[@doopness785]

I remember using Dragonite in gen3 OU with Substitute Focus Punch Flamethrower Roar it worked quite well for me.

[@SantoshLad-c1b]

I love that dragonite had the last laugh

[@LikeZoinks774]

Too many times I have tried to put 2 Macargo on my teams 😔😔

[@peet-janissen5838]

It would make a lot of sense if innerfocus pokemon had extra benifits to using focus punch and focus blast

[@TectonicImprov]

It's honestly really cool that Dragonite can still hang with the big boys over twenty years later with a few really good tools every other gen or so. It's like surprising the oldest son with a new car on their birthday.

[@pillowheadd]

great video as always jim. also I was wondering what your thoughts were on the leaked past paradox form of marcargo, "macarstop"?

[@jaketerpening3284]

Personally, I prefer the future paradox form, Macargone

[@timothyvandyke9511]

Imagine it, Wish Salamence alongside Heal Bell Dragonite

[@alberthrenzocuaylamarca4195]

Can you do a Focus Punch 👊 Video? I think that only in gen 3 is so prominent just like Gen 1 Hyper beam

[@boop53]

i think its access to heal bell is cool but idk when you’d use it - because if you’re using physical offence you’d probably have an sd pass celebi, right? and that can fit heal bell

[@cjer6040]

TIL Zapdos fell to UU so long sweet prince

[@braveknave24]

fantastic stuff lately, jim. I might even forgive you for the whole google stuff, perhaps after dragon types throughout the generations I will.

[@armorbearer9702]

I have to say that I never thought about combining Heal Bell with Rest before.

[@teeonezee]

imagine if Inner Focus Ability actually negated the flinch from Focus Punch charge

[@jammyman7085]

Surprised there was no mention of the loss of extreme speed in the genrational shift. If Dragonite still had that it would have a geninue niech that Mence couldn't replicate and give it a shot of being a real part of OU.

[@calook1334]

I am a firm Dragonite believer. It has better defensive stats, boltbeam coverage, and access to Heal Bell. I believe the proper way to use it is to use it with a defensive special attacking Heal Bell set on slower teams. I have a Superman team that I run with Dragonite and it’s a menace. Thunder Wave cripples opponents, Heal Bell keeps the rest of your team healthy (especially Flygon), and BoltBeam coverage makes sure the enemy can’t get too comfortable. Overall, I think Dragonite has enough of a niche to separate itself from Salamence in that regard. It’s frankly insane.

[@eyecontrol4900]

only Dnite sets I've ever had success with on the ladder is the CB set with f-punch/eq/bodyslam/hp flying and the DD set with thunder to hit skarm (means you dont have to run Mag, like you would for a DD mence or gyarados)

[@Fredysaurus]

Next game I would like it if we would get another psuedo like meta or ttar that's not dragon type, just for some variety tbh

[@IrfanFakhrianto]

i wish theres a metagame where its current gen (or natdex) but specifically without the newest gen mons, just to see how much of power creep is the new mons vs everything else

[@tysondennis1016]

Thunder Wave Starmie? My Starmie OHKOs Mences with Ice Beam!

[@alexman159]

Thank god the world will never have to face jimmy’s unstoppable 6 macargo team

[@Elfman126]

Hi Jimothy Cool, I have wanted to say this for a while now but your favourite channel when it comes to Pokémon and, keep up the good work. Btw, love your made up Pokémon like Iron Mugulus and Iron Fridge, Sorry if I got the names wrong.

[@virtualcolt]

I have a lot of nostalgia for Dragonite. I used to think it was the most powerful none legendary dragon in the game because of fighting the 3 Dragonites Lance uses in Soul Silver. Until I went to postgame and met lead Salamence.... those where the good times when I used to only train my starter.

[@Lazerbalde]

Wow! New tournament ❤

[@se44th]

can’t wait for babymariofan to tear it in up the jimvitational

[@Dr.Deluxe]

Heal Bell Dragonite and Refresh Salamence were both from purifying them as Shadow Pokemon in Pokemon XD Gale of Darkness if I recall. I'm kinda curious how big an impact XD's purification moves were on the meta overall cause I remember alot of random Pokemon getting moves like Refresh and Baton Pass.

[@AI-DreigonGPT]

That why that Dragonite is my favorite pseudo legendary

[@marvalice3455]

Dragonites stunning innovation of having not just one, but multiple scales would later allow him to surpass his rival, salamance.

[@agiruda8380]

The Dinosaur Council is meeting to discuss Dragonite’s viability within their ecosystem

[@ryanrowston8977]

If you're actually asking what I'd like to hear about next, it is whether 2 turn moves (fly, dig etc.) have ever seen use. I imagine that they're pretty bad and can be exploited by the opponent, but has there ever been a use for them?

[@Imitationist]

See divecats in comments

[@xtinaxendrix]

agility + a large amount of physical defense investment lets you live any common +1 rock slide (except tar's) and inner focus lets you ignore flinch, if you pass dnite a cm you can set up in aero's face and ohko it with bolt or beam (or raw ohko it with blizzard or thunder); agility lets you get away with investing almost nothing in speed, it's a fun set

[@AndrewRKenny]

You know what they say though, every Drag has its Onite.

[@egbertmilton4003]

Well, doesn’t matter in the end, seeing how badly it exceeded anything Salamence could do on its own

[@kokirikid817]

Dragonite is far from bad in gen 3. More people should give him a try 😊 I'd like to hear about my favorite UUBL mon in ADV OU, Alakazam.

[@dylanf3108]

It’s just a worse Salamence honestly. It’s not bad it’s just there’s a very narrow instance you would ever want to use it over Mence.

[@krislee3155]

Still have not to this day have built a Dragonite, late alone even used one for a playthrough.

[@jaydee5312]

Dragonite was the original pseudo legendary

[@Culk-kb4fn]

Yes, and?

[@vanillaplanifolia2525]

and it has had a fantastic competitive career over the years

[@Meridian453]

Ever since generation 5 when dragonite received the ability multi scale

[@Aurora_Veill]

Ever since generation 5, when dragonite recieved the ability multiscale, it absolutely soared it popularity and viability

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

The only old one that has not been updated in some way with a new form

[@et34t34fdf]

It's not a story gamefreak will tell you.

[@coralanturn]

i wish dragonite got extremespeed in adv, it would be such a cool option to give it it's own identity

[@ThatGuyThai]

Imagine if Inner Focus allowed unbroken Focus Punches.

[@charliebartlett5768]

Inner Focus really should have made it so Focus Punch would activaye even if you got hit whilst charging.

[@joao20able]

this so much (it would've been nuts but so cool)

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

that sounds insane for gen 3 but actually not rly out there for gen 9 imo

[@mrtrollnator123]

Ok that's too broken ngl

[@DJFracus]

@@mrtrollnator123 Is it? Only affects like 3 mons (Dragonite/Alakazam/Sneasel), and Focus Punch would still have the significant drawback of being negative priority, so it sort of has anti-synergy with Dragon Dance/high speed stats. I'm not sure it would even make Dragonite better than Salamence still although it would certainly make it closer.

[@mrtrollnator123]

@@DJFracus nowadays not really but back in gen 3? Instantly bannable especially for dragonite 💀 the other 2 not so much

[@baddragonite]

It is funny that the Gamecube games just casually handed out Heal Bell to so many Pokemon lol

[@noysam3570]

If inner focus also neglected flinch from focus punch, dragonite would probably be OU ranked

[@Fosta_]

Whoa there jim, what about the multi hit moves to break sub and then the users focus?

[@williamdrum9899]

DK64 music is much appreciated

[@ineedjuuce6414]

Did u ever hear the tragedy of Darth Dragonite the Outclassed?

[@ToastandFrys]

Thank the lord you can’t run double magcargo. Altho I’ve heard some talk of players using slugma as a second, slightly worse magcargo

[@wishcraft8036]

Super unrelated to the video, but thinking about substitute made me wonder why Ninjask is allowed to run it? If it's not considered as a stat boost, I think it probably should be, since it gets passed by baton pass. Perhaps this could be an alternative to banning Ninjask outright

[@nitro5247]

Now I need to think of my best anti-Dragonite strategies for low ladder

[@evancherpeski1876]

Every Dragon has its Nite.

[@oluseyialege]

Could get another video about teams for beginners

[@_jy1754]

Dragonite was the original pseudo legendary, and it has had a fantastic competitive career over the years.

[@Ultimewtum]

i wish i had the stones to play Showdown. I cant ever bring myself to do it because i fear being at the bottom of the ladder

[@joe_the_zombie]

Love the thumb

[@beechteeth]

this is insane

[@BluThundr]

Jimothy what did you do while Showdown was down, I went insane.

[@ponk325]

I don't suppose you could drop the pokepaste for the watermess team? I love dragonite

[@That_Guy_From]

Is the comedy of Altaria next?

[@politicalmetrics]

Pretty amusing that neither of the gen 1 Pokémon that are still in OU in gen 9 were OU in gen. (Dragonite’s solidly UU in rby, and clefable has bounced between UU and NU)

[@EarselBill-bi4xr]

It’s kinda fun using Dragonite as a simple special attacker, especially if you can pass a Calm Mind to it. Flamethrower or Fire Blast Thunderbolt or Thunder Ice Beam or Blizzard HP Grass It can hit everything pretty hard and is immune to Intimidate…..Dragonite can be a pretty decent Pokémon in Gen 3

[@williamdrum9899]

Inner Focus didn't make you immune to intimidate in gen 3. That was only added later after Game Freak realized how broken Intimidate is

[@Naxafa]

Still far from the gen3ou elite crew but I'll keep improving

[@charmandenator5686]

The dragonite team is very interesting looking. Do you have a pokepaste link for it? I'm bad at EV spreads so I'm curious what was put.

[@cadesummers5866]

Can you do a vid about registeel in gen 3v

[@doma3554]

Kind of off-topic, but, if Pokemon Showdown implemented all the in-game entry animations, and true battle animations, for at least Gen 3 and Gen 2, it would be incredible and practically an unbeatable experience, for me, in terms of battling others.

[@ThatGuyThai]

Ice Beam go BRRRR

[@danielcardenas8266]

Gen 3 Dragonite is almost as tragic as Rattrock's losing streak against Fake Gameplay. We must root for them to turn the tables sooner rather than later.

[@OneMoreDesu]

BKC for Jimvitational wild card entry

[@trains3377]

SoulWind and Leech in the same tournament??? we are about to see levels of Heat Previously Thought to be obtainable only by premiere fire type in Gen 3 OU, Macargo

[@feelsokayman5656]

Big Tourney incoming Kreygasm

[@mrundy9351]

Pokemon GO fun fact: Dragonite is good in all leagues and outclassed Salamence in every league. Although in great league it's outclassed by Dragonair.

[@reddragon100]

In Gen 9, Dragonite is far superior to Salamence. Its in OU meanwhile Salamence is RU

[@mrundy9351]

@reddragon100 I was talking about specifically Pokemon GO not main series games.

[@KFLawless1412]

My 5th grade ass thought Inner Focus would allow Dragonite to just already be focused. Gamefreak please allow Dragonite to lock in

[@tehandroidmaster]

Dragonite gets done so fucking dirty, even to this day. Its hidden ability is relatively difficult to come by legitimately. BW, Multiscale is only available via Dream World (discontinued). X/Y/OR/AS, you needed to have a friend safari with Dratini so it's functionally impossible to obtain offline (without PKHeX that is). I say all of this because Inner Focus Dragonites are the Dragonites that get absolutely no fucking love whatsoever. He looks like a Dragon Tales character, he's a touch slow for my liking, but he's a goddamn TANK. I think Dragonite is the only Pokémon who has identical stats across every generation.

[@Akatsukileader9]

Why did Tyranitar use Earthquake on Salamence... Was it a prediction? Salamence has fighting type moves you know

[@eyecontrol4900]

yea looks like he mis predicted

[@TheUnique69able]

Dragonite’s base stats need to be changed. Hp:104 Attack: 132 Defense: 90 Sp attack: 95 Sp defense: 91 Speed: 88 It also needs to have a strong physical flying stab option

[@AttitudeIndicator]

The hatred Timothy has for this pokemon cannot be understated.