The Tragedy of Jack Marston - Red Dead Redemption

[@vixo2d343]

For me the saddest part of Jack's fate is the fact he ended up completely alone.

[@Destroyer120296]

Yeah the saddest thing in red dead series is playing rd2 as arthur seeing little jack surrounded by family and gang members who all cared for him to a degree(fuck micah) To then see him just alone...its sad. Especially imagining how much he remembers. Really made you feel like you lost a family

[@billythepuppet4114]

We all hate saving Micah from that damn jail in strawberry

[@Omaru1982]

I left most of the stranger missions for Jack to do in my recent playthrough, I figure John would be already accustomed to the ways of the west, But Jack should get some life experience in seeing that even good intentions can lead to unfortunate circumstances. I did like that as John I never found anyone who genuinely wanted a lift but during my time as Jack he escorted 2 ladies back to town.

[@minecraftisgood12]

Jack watched everybody he knew just die which is sad.

[@minecraftisgood12]

Agreed.@@billythepuppet4114

[@ianeons9278]

Jack Marston was born in 1895. If he lived into his 80s or 90s, he would have been alive when GTA Vice City and San Andreas take place. Interesting to think about.

[@ash_j_williams]

Crazy to think about he would of seen the most change out of any generation from the old west all the way to the times of rock n roll

[@dillongooding8664]

It is not the same universe

[@joetrump6678]

Maybe vice city but I think he would have died by San Andreas

[@DIRTYPLACCY]

@@dillongooding8664 there is a book in franklins bed room called red dead it’s the same universe

[@dillongooding8664]

@@DIRTYPLACCY it’s just a reference

[@willrogers3793]

I don’t know why it didn’t occur to me til just now, but it occurs to me that: 1.) Jack’s earliest memories would likely be of the only family he ever knew, the Van der Linde gang, being constantly hunted by government men. 2.) His more recent memories would be of his mother and father desperately trying to get some kind of a normal life together for themselves and their son while in constant fear of the law coming for them. 3.) His most recent memories would be of him and his mother being held captive by federal agents while his father disappeared to do the government’s dirty work for months, only to be betrayed and murdered by those same federal agents only a few weeks after finally returning and trying to be the father his son should’ve had all along. 4.) His mother died only a few years after his father, and it’s quite possible Jack blames the government for driving her into an early grave. With all this in mind, and considering that even after exacting retribution upon Edgar Ross for his father and “uncle’s” murder, Jack likely has developed a bone-deep sense of loathing for the government stronger than anything his father, Arthur, or even Dutch probably ever knew. And considering that Jack is only around 21 in 1914 when RDR1 ends, let’s just say… I think the idea of Jack Marston stepping into the role of a 1920’s mob boss isn’t all that outlandish.

[@ivanthehighman177]

I agree 100%

[@Chandler191]

GTA 6 and red dead redemption 3 same game 🤔

[@killgoretrout877]

He Joins an anarchist movement or a communism group both very active at the time

[@EpikCoolHuman]

RED DEAD REDEMPTION 3 OUT NOW

[@ashwath5733]

He's 19 in 1914

[@Zeroshiki]

_"He may have survived, but he never escaped."_ Powerful line. Childhood truly affects every part of your life in so many ways. The cycle of revenge never ends.

[@TG626]

While I have no imagined details, I imagine Red Dead Revenge where part of it is Jack in WWI using the war as cover to hunt down Army officers who participated in the Beechers Hope Massacre.

[@SasukeUchiha-xy4vj]

Yea, you got that right

[@chiggsytube]

That's on Ross. His program of extrajudicial assassinations carried out via coercion is the reason he got shot.

[@R__K]

@@TG626 That has potential but seems would go too much the AC way. I'd imagine it a storyline more similar to Yellowstone. Jack moves further away from the Marston ranch to make his place but ends up starting more trouble, creating his own "gang" in the process.

[@MarvinT0606]

@@R__K a better plot would be for Jack to discover Arthur and John's journal- as well as encounter the other gang members like Pearson and Sadie. Then he has a choice to make: settle down, forego his revenge and turn those journals and stories into a book- a book which doesn't sell well until much later in his life. Jack honors the sacrifice made by Arthur and John by turning his guns in and abandoning the life of an outlaw for good. Or Jack embraces his revenge and guns down the soldiers who took part in killing his father. Jack ends up becoming the last true outlaw- he gains infamy but dies young in bloodbath against lawmen, to the horror and dismay of his friends and any remaining gang members.

[@auburn696]

I think the saddest part is that it's *all* he did. In the main RDR1 story he could barely shoot a rifle above average, he was just another frontier kid in terms of a lot of weapon and combative skills, probably good enough to defend himself but no gunman. That means that for three years, he trained constantly, shot all the time, probably got into some hostile interactions based on his ability to fistfight, all with the goal of killing this man. He lives on his family's now empty ranch, he raises no livestock, he just sharpens his spear until he thinks he's ready and then, what? Will he go home and run the ranch? Does he have a purpose left other than this? He's spent all of what's left of his youth preparing to kill this man.

[@jamesmaclennan4525]

Heads overseas changes his name joins the French army rises to commissioned officer, is transferred to the US army in 1917(which was what happened in RL) Returns to the States becomes a Revenue agent and is set for RDR 3 set in the 1920's and Prohibition.

[@auburn696]

@@jamesmaclennan4525 Forced imo.

[@notfeedynotlazy]

He does what many an old westian with no skill other than the gun did: he joins the law (US Marshall outfit). He manages to do a decent living, gets old, writes a book (from the GTA cameo), and betwen his modest pension and the modest book sales he finally is able to, in his final days, leave the gun (the one he gazed at with disgust after killing Ross) to sleep, forgotten, in a drawer. There are worse fates than that.

[@morgan0__o]

Jack going from above-average marksmanship to the level of his father in just three years... man...

[@auburn696]

@@morgan0__o Hell on skates with a gun *and* a mean man with fists and knives. Takes a lot of determination to get there and his was driven by hate. And what's sad is that in his self-loathing and confused commentary and his taunts you can still hear an angry, displaced youth.

[@seafreshmeat9241]

I’m so glad I found other people that have realized how tragic Jack’s story is.

[@tazinboor3913]

Same here!

[@Taima]

Honestly it's really only kids/teens/maybe young adults who get a pass on not realizing how tragic the story is. But even so, I know from DBZ fandom with people wishing Trunks with his godawful future timeline was the main one and that Gohan stayed his traumatized fighter self post Cell. It's fine to appreciate badass things people do in those conditions, but I think part of maturity is recognizing they'd be better off with the better lives they want/end up with. /rant

[@bobbybarker3782]

The saddest thing I’ve always thought about is those 3 years where it was just jack and Abigail. Leaves the mind to wonder about Abigail and her last 3 years alive

[@petew.7870]

Really good (and poignant) point…damn, RDR hits hard…👏🔥💯🇺🇸

[@dami8875]

At least Jack took care of his mother and the ranch his father worked so hard for before setting off to get revenge. He ain't a boy no more, he's a man.

[@stevo1110]

Now imagine how shit life would of been for jack once his mother died and he has killed Ross, hence no longer having a purpose in life. I feel bad for him the most.

[@josephstalin2606]

I like how it’s left ambiguous it leaves many interpretations. Maybe he was with her taking care of her the whole time, or maybe his emotional state left him at odds with her and he left the ranch more and more often to train and live out his fantasy of being a gunslinger. It’s also weird how even though she was the most recent death he still mourns John more than her

[@hiiiiflower]

@@stevo1110no purpose? His father and the only other family he knew basically risked their life so they (everyone) can all live normal lives. Jack is the youngest members of the gang to have that opportunity and nearly in a time in America when big change was coming. Now he can truly live free and find a purpose

[@Ace_Unic0rn]

I feel like when John left for a year Arthur possibly spent a bit of time with Jack, he himself being a father, and the fact he so easily gets along with Jack and seemingly loves spending time with him. It's kinds bittersweet in a way

[@josephstalin2606]

Arthur and Abigail were best friends basically so he would help out with Jack and he probably caught feelings for her but she was still obsessed with John

[@SohiHien]

@@josephstalin2606 I doubt he had feelings for her after Jack was born. He would have been hurting still after Eliza/Isaac and Mary, he pretty much had no interest in woman romantically after that and he says as much. He mentions that he may have gotten with her in the early days if John hadn't but as soon as John and her got together he backed off and became a good friend to her instead. I see them more as brother/sister and Arthur lending a hand with Jack since poor Abigail would need a break sometimes and Arthur would be a good fatherly figure for Jack to bond with (especially compared to any of the other guys, either people like Bill/Uncle or too young like Sean or Lenny).

[@Bulsara777]

@@SohiHien Arthur was like that chill and super protective uncle that treats their nephews as their own kids.

[@daltongarrett3393]

@@SohiHienactually, in Arthur’s journal he talks about how he probably should have married Abigail himself, instead of John, but he was too busy chasing after Mary

[@faiqgamer3517]

That made sense, considering he have experiences in teaching children with Jamie and Issac

[@_Gwuapo]

I kinda feel bad for Jack, he's the most misunderstood character in RDR. In the epilogue he's this wierd kid scared of his own shadow but in rdr1 he's all about revenge and has this murderous energy surrounding him. I always imagined Jack getting caught and hung, I know it’s grim but I feel it’s realistic and matches Jack’s character. Jack was all about revenge even though revenge killed his father, he goes down the same path and dies, like poetry.

[@PatrickDunning]

The Epilogue of RDR takes place in 1914. The year World War I started. I don't know why, but I always kinda imagined Jack ending up in a trench in Europe.

[@Fizhy]

@@PatrickDunning America stayed neutral in WWI until 1917, Jack wouldn't have had much personal reasoning to get involved in a conflict half a world away anyhow.

[@Detahramet]

@@Fizhy He could join the French Foreign Legion. For a long time it was romanticized as an organization for broken men to risk their lives, so it would work thematically, either to flee the law or to pursue a deathwish like Sadie did.

[@_Gwuapo]

@@Fizhy exactly, well there's always the chance he moved to Tahiti and joined the war to hide from Pinkerton's

[@_Gwuapo]

@@DetahrametThat's what I thought too but nah I doubt it

[@historomaniak]

I’ve always seen that Jack, despite his past and killing Edgar Ross, does have a future, one free of crime with John being the “the last enemy that shall be destroyed”. There were hints in the game that I think point out to that. The John’s gun jamming on forth bullet with the last meeting with the strange man, signalizing that Jack’s fate is not sealed like John’s is. Also the fact that the US Army and US Marshal outfits unlock only in epilogue gave me a thought that perhaps it’s a subtle hint that Jack can move on and be whoever he wants to be and make his own choices as with John the Wild West was dead.

[@JojoTheRed]

I’d like the next game to be about him either being pursued by or hunting Archer Fordham and either letting go or being let go in the end.

[@M3TA763AR5071D]

@@JojoTheRed Archer Fordham. Not many people remember that guy. Good point. Is it me or does he make a cameo appearance in 1899 during the first bounty hunter cutscene?

[@SStupendous]

The jamming gun bit doesn't necessarily mean that he would have a good ending to it all.

[@DandiDelight]

Thank you for bringing up the outfits I was looking through the comments for that, I agree and think it’s a really interesting yet subtle way of story telling

[@josephstalin2606]

@@DandiDelight Then again those outfits had specific perks to them so it could’ve been more related to gameplay than story. Same with honor in the first game having 0 influence on story but many perks in gameplay

[@mrx4022]

Jack: _"I wanna be a gun slinger when I grow up!"_ Abigail: "Over my dead body! You will be a lawyer. You do the hanging, not the swinging, you hear me?"

[@TheGoatGyro]

Well, he probably did do it over her dead body

[@WarpedBoat]

bro took it litterally

[@Grivian]

Sick Abigail: "Jack. Don't tell me that you are wearing a gunslinger jacket" Jack: "Nah ma don't you worry. Don't you worry about anything"

[@carlosrobertoraya4344]

"Over my dead body"

[@SgtMjRomero]

Ironically, they may both have gotten their wishes (even if Abigail didn't live to see Jack metaphorically hang Ross on behalf of the whole gang which raised him)

[@babynihilist4172]

The concept that really amazes me is that Jack could have easily lived to the 1960's or even 1970's. The kinds of changes he saw over his lifetime assuming he made it to old age is really cool to think about and frankly what I hope happened. Maybe instead of being a gunslinger he became a bootlegger or a gangster.

[@SStupendous]

1960s or 1970s? Heck, he could've made it to the 1990s. There were people older than him still alive just 15 years ago.

[@modyfrisrajczka8657]

I don't think so there's already a Game Series called Mafia by 2K.

[@Menace2DaComments]

@@modyfrisrajczka8657 and 2k is owned by Take Two, Rockstar's parent company. So since Red Dead, GTA, and Mafia are all under the same parent, I say it's possible.

[@TheDiion_]

Maybe he could have a small cameo in the mafia games or maybe a gta prequel game since (correct me if I’m wrong) they’re in the same universe

[@stevenvandereycken267]

There could be a red dead redemption game in prohibition times it starts in 1920 , with Jack Marston and his bootlegging gang or he's a gang member in a bootlegging gang . Well for rdr3 I would prefere if they went to an even ,younger Arthur or John ending maybe with the Blackwater massacre

[@Metalc]

You really gotta respect Jack. Unlike John, he only went after Ross when Abigail died. He went for Ross when he had nothing else to lose. That’s really honorable. Edit: legit tempted to delete this comment after looking at the replies

[@Cheder1836]

Good point. He did what he had to do and didn't risk taking others down with him. John unintentionally took Abigail and Jack with him.

[@xdan9xx]

Abigail wasnt alive for long after johns death. And jack did alot of growing up in that time.

[@RainbowWindchime]

There’s that, but we don’t know what would have come next.

[@SanchezThaMexican]

Jack got revenge for all the gang members of the Vander linde gang

[@user-tx5hf9zq2v]

Abigail in RDR2 says "Over my dead body" when Jack says he wants to be gun slinger when he was a little kid..Jack took that personally it seems.

[@simple-commentator-not-rea7345]

If the whole Honor system was to define Jack's fate in a continuing story, I imagine that low honour would turn him into an almost Micah Jr. and he would end up being hanged for terrible crimes and burried in an unmarked grave, whereas a high honour ending, Jack would throw away his revolvers, become a writer, and expand his family farm, dying peacefully surrounded by new friends and family he'd make in the now broken cycle of violence

[@tazinboor3913]

I liked to imagine a year ago that the final cutscene in Remember my family would change depending on your Honor, if you have low honor, Jack looks at his gun and keeps it, but if you have high honor, he throws his gun with a grunt into the pond Edgar Ross was in, demonstrating that he doesn’t want to be an outlaw.

[@Eyejrbdysk]

The moral of red dead is you can’t outrun your past. I think after killing ross jack becomes the very last gunslinger/outlaw to exist. Killing a highly decorated agent isn’t just forgiven and forgotten. I think after, jack went on the run and is constantly being chased, until they catch him

[@tazinboor3913]

@@Eyejrbdysk Ok.

[@josephstalin2606]

@@tazinboor3913Well Jack always wanted to be a gunslinger more than he wanted to be a writer. That’s why in the first game he feels unworthy because he wants to be like John and live how John used to live but obviously John wanted better for him. I feel like regardless of honor he would continue to live out his childhood fantasy and be a gunslinger/outlaw

[@tazinboor3913]

@@josephstalin2606 I see.

[@eclipticredemption9224]

John seeking revenge for Arthur taught Jack to seek revenge for John once he passed, they all live on through each other

[@ryanpulliam8987]

John's revenge wasn't about Arthur

[@oldarthurmorgan6319]

@@ryanpulliam8987 it was though he said he owed it to Arthur or else he wouldn't have gone for micah

[@oldarthurmorgan6319]

I swear I've seen you before AGAIN

[@ryanpulliam8987]

@@oldarthurmorgan6319 in all reality John sought revenge after dutch abandoned him and left him to die

[@oldarthurmorgan6319]

@@ryanpulliam8987 No we're talking about rdr2 John and Micah's encounter John killed micah for arthur he wasn't even there for dutch

[@yungk6043]

Jack being an introverted nerd turned outlaw has to mean he may the most dangerous member of the Van Der Linde gang to evwr exist. Hes smart street wise and acamedically. He can simply outsmart you is probably very wise.

[@Pomzon]

So he pretty much became the type of person Hosea was

[@AngelM564]

@@Pomzon but even better

[@MarvinT0606]

He became Arthur and Hosea combined

[@krypticunlimited6925]

he's every gang member rolled into one, both positive and negative. He's a gunslinger like his father and has a temper like Dutch, and even wears a similar coat to Arthur, but he's also ruthless and(in certain dialogue options) very creepy and perverted like Micah

[@aimlesspassions1157]

He’s literally the Van Der Linde legacy

[@JSN117]

Ross met Jack for the first time when Jack was fishing. Jack meets Ross for the last time when Ross is fishing.

[@abrahamwashington8579]

Duck hunting hos

[@thegamingcook785]

Met Jack first time by a river, and Ross saw Jack for the last time by a river

[@JohnReedy07163]

Jack didn't get revenge. He got justice. Ross betrayed the promise made to John Marston. Killing John only made up for Ross's own dirty deeds. John Got his redemption, Jack got justice

[@notfeedynotlazy]

Jack also got his final duel at a place with no witnesses to pin the death on him. So he is actually free to break the circle.

[@JohnReedy07163]

@@notfeedynotlazy His wife and brother were "witnesses" but my point still stands

[@splashnskillz37]

@@JohnReedy07163 But they don't know him specifically so he can still get away

[@notfeedynotlazy]

@@JohnReedy07163 Of course it stands. It was never challenged.

[@hillbillylivesmatter2608]

@@JohnReedy07163 i killed them.. so

[@WillCrowe101]

When you have context to the whole story from the second game into the first, Jack killing Ross has got to be one of the most raw and down right incredible endings in gaming history. True, most if not all the gang wanted Jack to not get involved in anyway shape or form. But in the end, the only way to get back at Ross was to embrace the life he was born into. And in those final moments he wasn’t only getting redemption for his father, but the entire good of the gang. But most importantly, redemption for himself, by killing the man that helped ruin his life by taking away the only family he ever had.

[@BratMilorad]

It's also poetic and a really great message to the modern world that, in ridding the world of "savages", Ross inadvertently and singlehandedly turned an "ideal" addition to society, Jack, into a savage himself

[@stevo1110]

Yeah and then what? He lives the rest of his life alone and depressed. Rockstar did him dirty fr.

[@bobasosa]

And then the way he walks away and it does that iconic red scene is a dope last frame 🏆

[@katiekaliber]

@@stevo1110 Welcome to the reality of trauma and a bad childhood. It's very sad but it all makes sense and is pretty realistic for a game story. Life does you dirty.

[@DaviAndrei]

Ross job was to give an end to the outlaw's era, by killing Marston he just raised another one

[@gabrielohim154]

You forgot to mention that, unless RDR1 is no longer fully canon, the Marstons had another child that died between 1899 and the epilogue, probably before she was even 1yo. Jack's sister, that ought've made things even worse for his mental health.

[@bliczb8772]

It should be noted that despite everything pointing otherwise, there's a sliver of hope that after all of this, Jack might've gotten out. In Grand Theft Auto 5, in the Vinewood Hills safehouse of Franklin Clinton, on one of the bookshelves, there's a book titled "Red Dead", which was written by J. Marston. Whilst certainly an Easter Egg, it gives an idea that maybe, just maybe, Jack managed to live just about long enough to write the history of Red Dead and have it published (running theory is that he used Arthur's journal that was shared by John to write it all, but it's kind of by the by). Whilst not confirming that he died peacefully and got out of the life, it does hint at least slightly at that possibility. This would however require both Red Dead and GTA universes to be connected somewhat. It's a stretch, but stretch is better then nothing. Additionally, given how passionate Jack Marston was about literature in his teenage years (especially wild west, as hinted by him in some dialogues), it'd be in character for him to write a book. And with that, a segway into a realization - Ross shared the goals of his late mentor, Andrew Milton, about society getting rid of savages like Van Der Linde gang, but ultimately, Ross' very actions turned an avid literature boy with bright future in front of him into a gunslinger. And by the end, a dialogue from RDR2, where Hosea was teaching Jack how to read, with Abigail standing by. Jack: I wanna be a gunslinger when I grow up. Abigail: Over my dead body. By lord, whilst cute interaction at first, it becomes really depressing when the words are uttered.

[@moolahfornothing1650]

Considering the fact that California and New York are mentioned in the Red Dead series, while in the GTA series those states are called San Andreas and Liberty City respectively.

[@antthomas7916]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure R* confirmed that they don't take place in the same universe. But I still like to think that he did write that book.

[@drysoup3017]

@@antthomas7916 same

[@drysoup3017]

I like that theory alot. You sir get a soup🍵

[@buggiepadre7044]

The country club golf course in San Andreas (GTA 5) is owned by the Downes family so that also connects the universes might just be another crazy Easter egg tho

[@ightholmes]

I'll never forget the most emotional and inspirational quote from the Red Dead series. It was from Jack, "WORK YA DAMN NAG!"

[@AustinVirden]

“COME ON, FASTER”

[@charles_the_conqueror]

“Now you believe I’m a marston?!”😂

[@bjornvanmoorsel9930]

"suck it dad!" Jack marston, 1907

[@elithompson22]

“CMON YOU DAMN NAG WORK!” 😂

[@Roseroxs213]

"YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAWWWW"

[@grizzylohan9363]

Jack definitely lived a hard life full of traumatizing moments, but for the circumstances that his parents were born and bred into they did they’re best for him even if it was often not enough

[@user09612]

Cain the dog is the biggest tragedy in history. Bro was ready to be a caring friend to the gang and then got shot inside a dark cave by some 1980’s surfer with a beer belly. Stuff is tragic

[@GoofyLordHaHa]

I love how you described Micah Bell 👍🏼.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

Imagine if Jack got Samurai Jack'd into the 1980s and had to deal with Tommy Vercetti's BS

[@aaronpugh3396]

I'm so glad Jack ended up looking like John at the end, showing for sure that he was John's son

[@slappingshrimp4661]

He looks a little like Dutch ngl

[@TakumiOfCarX]

He's got a little bit of Javier sperm to

[@Blessing_Rat]

I don't think so

[@OmalielLaboy-f8y]

nah Javier

[@fearlessfosdick160]

Nah, Uncle was Red Harlow and Jack was Red Harlow's kid.

[@Wyatt145]

There’s 2 problems with what you say that’s the first problem is that John, and Arthur’s sacrifices did not go to waste, because if Arthur didn’t sacrificed himself, John, Abigail and Jack would’ve just been killed by the Pinkertons right then, and if John didn’t sacrifice himself, then Abigail and Jack would’ve been killed in that barn with John. Second problem is that Jack killed Ross by a river with nobody around in the middle of nowhere Mexico so there is no way that anybody would know that it was Jack who killed Ross.

[@spinofthewheel5345]

Yeah he's a Idiot

[@MrJchris97]

Agreed

[@daahorse1652]

Plus Jack is a ghost compared to John, especially in 1914 when the age of outlaws has died out. No one expects a random gunslinger to gun down a retired cop. Chances are, Jack got off scot free

[@selemanecu]

@@daahorse1652 have high honor and it is said ross death is blamed on bandits and considering that's what Ross has been hunting all his life and Jack well having learned not to make the same mistakes as John with Micah yeah he is gone (plus being high honored he left ross family alive)

[@DieselDog403]

​@@selemanecuYes. Left the family alive. Of course. Alive.. yes...

[@TrickyTalon23]

Just remember guys, Jack wrote a book that was successful enough that even people in 2013 had a copy of it.

[@Braint-lr6uf]

That's an easter egg, nothing more, nothing less, I truly don't get why so many people give so many relevance to a simple easter egg

[@TrickyTalon23]

@@Braint-lr6uf that’s just how much relevance the Easter egg has. Just because it’s an Easter egg doesn’t mean it’s not relevant.

[@NoHomeWorkzone9]

lesgooo jack made it outt😁

[@RichardRichyRickGillard]

@@Braint-lr6uf Easter eggs don't have to be relegated to just "references." Ever heard of worldbuilding? Not everything needs to be presented in the story to be relevent

[@Braint-lr6uf]

@@RichardRichyRickGillard So you're truly saying that the ending of a story is an Easter Egg? That's not worldbuilding, and yes, if it's relevant must be presented in the story, not in a book, from a shelf,from a house, in a game that came out three years later and has nothing to do with Red Dead 1.

[@spoopydoge4356]

i'd like to think Jack signed up for WW1 as a soldier and tried to throw his life away, which ultimately failed, but during the horrors he saw he had a revelation, and spent the rest of his years writing about his old gang and crazy stories, which he doesn't publish until he dies of old age so he doesn't get caught

[@AymanTravelTransport]

There's an easter egg in GTA V where you find a book (in Franklin's new safehouse) called "Red Dead" by a 'J Marston' so this theory may very well hold up!

[@WisdomThumbs]

The WW1 story would definitely work if Jack was *forced* into it, like John was forced to work for Ross. I think we should play as Jack in the prologue, then meet Mac Callendar's daughter and get involved in a gang... Only to be betrayed and gunned down. As they're bleeding out, Jack tries to get her to stay awake by talking to her, and realizes who her father was. Flashback to the story of Mac Callendar, the only man harder and faster than Arthur Morgan, along with his whipcrack psycho brother Davey. We could witness Jack as a toddler up until he's 4 or 5, and see what leads Mac to gift his jacket to Arthur. I can see Mac finding a lover, and trying to keep her secret from everybody until he does "one last job" to keep his word to Dutch. But Davey finds out and blabs about it where Agents Milton and Ross hear about her, so after they finish off Mac's last stand (when he gave Arthur his horse to escape Blackwater), the Agents go pay his woman and new daughter a visit to rustle up information about the gang... ...Cut back to Jack in prison, then on trial, as he journals everything he remembers about the Van Der Linde gang, trying to make sense of the complex web of generational tragedies he's wrapped up in. Jack gets sent to fight in WW1 as part of a penal battalion, where he reunites with the gang member that betrayed him. After learning that Mac's daughter is still alive in prison, back stateside, Jack and the traitor shoot their way out of the Meuse-Argonne Offensive, only to get pinned down by a counter-offensive. The traitor gets pissed that he couldn't escape his life of crime, and got the same sentence as Jack despite informing on the new gang, which leads to Jack and the traitor getting into a dramatic knife-and-fistfight amidst barbed wire and explosions... Until they tumble into a shell crater to drown each other in blood. So players must choose whether to remember the game's lessons and kill the traitor, or spare him and share in redemption. Then a bunch of Germans show up above the crater, and the game's final shootout mirrors John's last stand. Only this time, we can win... But we only get the good ending where Jack wins and lives if we spare the traitor, so he can help shoot the last couple Germans when Jack runs out of ammo. Afterward, we get one of several cutscenes depending on our honor level and final choices. A High Honor ending where we kill the traitor would result in Jack laying on his back, dying like Mac, Arthur, and John, as he watches planes dogfight in the sky. "Machines like that can turn men... Into angels..." A Low Honor ending where we kill the traitor could be a shell burying Jack's body, so Mac Callendar's daughter can't even visit his grave after she's released from prison. He's just listed as MIA. And for a Good Ending, spare the traitor and score a kill with every single bullet in the final Dead Eye sequence. The traitor finishes off the last German when Jack runs out of ammo. Together, he and Jack get to go home with clean slates and start over, and Jack settles down at Beecher's Hope with Mac's daughter. That's a wall of text, but it's burning in my imagination! It would complete all the themes and possibilities of the trilogy. I hope we get something like this one day. It would need to focus on rugged individualism and close personal connections, more like RDR1 as opposed to the crumbling gang of RDR2. And it could contain cattle drives, avalanches, tornados, daring wagon heists, and even automobiles (Prologue) and tanks (Epilogue).

[@sufficientnationjc9681]

@@WisdomThumbs that would be a interesting follow-up to the events of rdr1, and im here for it. But what wpuld the ending be like of you had low honor, but spare the traitor

[@WisdomThumbs]

@@sufficientnationjc9681 IDK... The traitor helps kill the attacking soldiers, then helps Jack escape the crater, only to leave Jack behind and run for his life when another artillery barrage hits. A random shell kills Jack as he watches the biplanes dogfight overhead. As Arthur said, "good things don't happen to bad people." (paraphrased)

[@beansaresodelicious]

@@WisdomThumbs red dead revenge

[@PanzerMan332]

I personally like to think that Jack got into writing and made a living for himself peacefully by cashing in on the Wild West stories that he and many people were nostalgic for in the decades after the turn of the century. As someone else pointed out, you can find a book in GTA 5 written by Jack, and in LA Noire you can find John's rotten and old hat in a trash can. So to me, I like to think that Jack moved past the gunslinger life after getting justice for his father, moved as far west as he could to California (or would it be San Andreas?), and settled down there.

[@draco_1876]

He probably become involved with the mafia

[@user-ConnorKaroThompson]

It's not johns hat. It's extremely different, before you say "It's old" the hat is just genuinely different.

[@noamias4897]

In the RDR world New York and California still exist

[@Whocares158]

That's not Canon.

[@TheCynicalAutist]

​@noamias4897 Same as in GTA. Rockstar never makes it clear if the game states are supposed to be additions or replacements.

[@ianmcdonald3053]

For those who don’t know, John naming his son Jack is actually naming him John, jack is just an alternative of John so technically when Jack calls himself John Jr, he actually is right to do so.

[@antthomas7916]

You sure about that? I thought Jack was short for Jackson, not Jonathan?

[@baneofbanes]

@@antthomas7916 Jack came before Jackson. Jackson literally means “son of jack”.

[@ianmcdonald3053]

@@antthomas7916 yes, we’re I live in the UK it’s not unusual for sons to be named after fathers, so rather than the family say John jr often its jack or Jackie. In my family each son has been named after their fathers for many generations, rather than use Jr our middle name is used!instead amongst friends and family.

[@ungenbunyon5548]

Names are weird

[@aklszkopek3470]

I tought it came from Jacob

[@BruinsFan-qk2zt]

I do believe that Jack did break the cycle at some point, becoming an author. Possibly writing (potentially fictionalized) books of the events of RDR 1 and 2. This mostly coming from the Red Dead Redemption book in GTA 5.

[@LitRandomness]

Clever

[@furryfucker420]

And LA Noire I think too

[@masteroutlaw100]

Jack wrote the books which were turned into movies which inspired the game we play IRL.

[@shotto_z4790]

They are separate universes

[@thetrojanhorse.1320]

This was such a fantastic breakdown mate. I noticed the very same thing when I was playing his character after concluding John’s story in the first red dead. He was a dark character. I have watched this several times it is so good. And I have also recommended it to a few of my friends because it’s just such a great breakdown of what happened to this poor kid, and it is also a great testament to the writing skills of the staff at rockstar. They are so great at creating this type of content/narrative.

[@Mewtwo_150]

Jack Marston: Has one of the most tragic stories of any Rockstar character The community: He sounds stupid, I hate him!!

[@DIRTYPLACCY]

This is why I hate most of the rockstar community bunch of impatient complainers

[@Mewtwo_150]

@@DIRTYPLACCY I mean that's true, but I was mainly referring to the idiots who gloss over the story then complain when they're playing as a different character and call them stupid because they don't like them

[@DIRTYPLACCY]

@@Mewtwo_150 yeah the people saying they don’t like the character are the same people complaining about gta 6 taking too long

[@flickchick710]

Well I don't hate him but yea he does sound stupid as an adult lol. I played as Jack a lot after I finished the game doing side missions I missed and I really didn't like his voice but it didn't make me hate him. Although him calling his horse a damn nag made me want to punch him a lot. Like dude what's your deal with being mean to horses?

[@Mewtwo_150]

@@flickchick710 With all of the shit he's been through, you're lucky you don't see him just randomly kill his horse while riding it

[@Thomas20Smith]

In my head canon for Jack, after his revenge on Ross he went back to Beecher’s Hope and maintained the Ranch eventually probably having a family and maybe writing a book about his experiences, or those of the Van Der Linde gang, under the name Tacitus Kilgore.

[@dazzamcg2369]

I wonder if the next red dead will be based on Jacks life. I’m curious to see what rockstar comes up with it as ww1 is about to start and the Wild West era has ultimately come to an end.

[@misspopcoin2204]

I think he did became a writer. There's a book in Franklin's house in GTA 5, by the author J. Marston.

[@misspopcoin2204]

@raelman9 oh Nah really??? I had noo idea 🙄🙄🙄

[@blanc-1517]

Very clever

[@greedyanimal3148]

10:37 I have no idea why but that edit of the duel sequence cut to Ross getting shot in the fave several time had me in stitches for no reason

[@larifax-8107]

This is really sad if you think about Dutch already planning to kill Micah, so the one time he really got a plan he did not execute it fast enough to save lives…

[@Society_is_braindead]

He had a plan 😔

[@AspenFalls0907]

@@Society_is_braindead A GODDAMN PLAN!!!

[@drygimangdrminjak8177]

@@Society_is_braindead but we didnt have some goddamn faith 😞

[@doomstan]

The only reason Dutch didn't put a bullet through him sooner is because Micah was the only man that would massage his ego.

[@astronaut-n1c]

He just neede more time

[@smilingnut3305]

This is what I’ve been needing for a while, some background info and only a great man like Fizhy can provide the info I need. This is gonna be and interesting one and I am damn excited

[@_Gwuapo]

It was a great video although I wished he went more in dept with Jack when he was fully grown. Thats the jack many people never got to meet, jack changed dramatically

[@CaptnCrunch247]

@@_Gwuapo - As do most people when transitioning from childhood to adulthood..

[@smilingnut3305]

@@_Gwuapo he probably would’ve but the rest of it is not cannon. Not his (fizhys) fault that the game devs didn’t include much story around jack as we see him in the epilogue of the first game

[@michaelkean5969]

Arthur Morgan: Dead man walking John Marston: Outlaw Jack Marston: last one standing

[@dillonc7955]

I've only assumed the lore of Jack Marston following the ending of RDR1 without knowing there was only speculation. I always imagined Jack getting an education, going to college, then getting involved in WW1, surviving to become an author writing stories of westerns and war. The sad truth is that Jack never had a normal life, he would've been the last member of the gang who had any will to commit crimes. There is a possibility that Jack would be conscripted into WW1 looming in 1917, then later tried for his crimes in RDR1.

[@jesserichards5582]

That would make for a good Rockstar story. Also based on your choices he could die in WW1 saving his platoon or taking another path to live with PTSD & regret due to a less honorable choice. Go another step further & have 2 or 3 more alternate endings based on the choices he made throughout the game.

[@nayten0324]

I always like to imagine in my head canon, jack struggles for a few years after his parents deaths and even Edgars killing. But eventually manages to overcome it and realise what his parents tried and died for. He tries to sort himself out, marries, has a family and collect various things, Arthur’s journal entries, johns journal entries, newspaper clippings, photos off of Arthur’s camera aswell as his own recollection of the events of rdr 2 and 1 and uses them to write a biographical book on the rise and fall of the Van der linde gang. Ending the book by stating where he is in now in life and how his parents redemption was through giving him a chance at a normal life which they’d never been gifted

[@BJJISTHEGAYPARTOFMMA]

He’s American ww1 wasn’t even as major of a thing for Americans as it was for other countries. America was in the war just over a year from 1917 to 1918 so the chances of jack being drafted would of been slim.

[@readingdistraction9204]

He hated the government, all the Marstons did. The last thing he'd do is join. Even if he got drafted, he could easily dodge it, which, he would

[@tanjeeschuan4999]

I hope he somehow escaped from America and joined the French Foreign Legion. He’ll get a new identity, French citizenship and put his skills to use.

[@luka4377]

If I remember correctly, in GTA V in Franklin's mansion you can find a book on a shelf titled "Red Dead" by J. Marston. It may be an easter egg but I like to think that Jack broke the cycle, settled down and wrote down the adventures we get to experience in both RDR games.

[@McLover996]

1899 Jack: "mom i wanna be a gunslinger" Abigail: "over my dead body" 1914:....

[@stephengibbons4771]

I've been saying for a couple of years now that RDR is the story of Arthur Morgan and John Marston failing to prevent Jack from becoming like them. The moral of the story is that violence is cyclical and true redemption is impossible. Spot on video.

[@optymalna8699]

as i've been saying, true "core" of rdr isn't arthur or john or dutch- it's jack. everything arthur and john did was for him and his well-being and jack's revenge is the final one, poetic cinema 🤌

[@thehipinmyear]

THIS. This is what makes the series a masterpiece.

[@SStupendous]

It's sorta messed up that so many seem to stupidly think the ending of RDR1 is a good thing remotely, and doesn't mean that every sacrifice of the past has been for nothing.

[@JulioGonzalezTV]

Especially since theirs witnesses to Jack asking around for Ross

[@josephstalin2606]

@@JulioGonzalezTV Literally it was only like 3 he asked and even then he never gave a name or said where he was from

[@soviet_stikk]

and if you belive that red harlow is uncle, thats where it really all comes together

[@novachikun]

Although Jack had it very rough, I wouldn't call who he becomes at the end as solely tragic. Sure, he made the dark decision to kill Ross, but in reality, how bad a decision was that? Edgar Ross himself was a monster hiding behind a badge, a far cry from honorable lawmen like Captain Monroe and U.S. Marshall Johnson. Even after Ross's demise, I don't think we should conclude that Jack went on to be an outlaw. He wanted to be an explorer and adventurer, and I think that's more along the lines of what he did with his future, and going on to write about his experiences. In L.A. Noire we even see an easter egg reference to Jack Marston, as we can find a book title "Red Dead", written by none other than Jack Marston himself!

[@TarnishedProductions]

technically, as soon as Jack murdered Ross, that was when he became an outlaw. Even if he was never caught for the murder, he himself would know that he murdered someone. There's no getting away from it.

[@CheesyGarlicMan]

@@TarnishedProductions Not to mention any other horrible things he may have done or have happen to him before he killed Ross. For all we know he could already have taken lives before. Hell, the fact that you are able to kill Ross' family without a hint of remorse suggests that he's not just used to it, but can do so even when it's completely unnecessary. Even if you don't kill his family members, he's still ABLE to do it and that makes it even more unsettling I don't know what Jack gets up to or what he becomes after, but I firmly believe that Ross was not his first kill. Not by a long shot

[@jocatorejenerico]

@@CheesyGarlicMan Actually I believe the contrary, after killing Ross he watches his gun as realizing he became a murderer like his father.

[@Just_Duchess__]

Y’all read way too much into this… He literally killed Edgar Ross for killing his dad. How you play is what makes him good or bad. For example, if you kill Edgar’s wife and brother, then you’re an outlaw, if you don’t, you’re not.

[@Whocares158]

Call it whatever you want. At the end of the day. Jack finally made his first kill. Jack is an Outlaw now just like the gang he grew up with.

[@humblabode]

It's hard to imagine Jack ever having the opportunity to "escape" or "get out" of a life he was born and raised into. By the time he was an adult, he lost the only bit of identity/ family he knew. What other direction in life could he go besides living out life the way his family did? I'd like to believe he died old despite everything he went through. I wish Rockstar would expand upon his story at some point, if ever.

[@theguybehindyou4762]

But then we wouldn't spend as much time pondering the effects that life has on people.

[@Sam-And-Sean]

I feel that the book called "Red Dead" by J.Marston found in GTA 5 is a hint that after avenging his fathers death, jack wrote a book about the deeds of the gang and his farther. Which makes sense given his love of books, and a fitting end, given he was able to escape the life of a gunslinger like his family wanted.

[@cheekyhazelnut]

I don’t think that makes a lot of sense. Jack killed a government agent and is directly tied to the van der linde gang. It seems really unlikely that pinkertons would just shrug Edgar Ross being killed. As for the book in gta v, I think it’s just a reference.

[@jackbluehq6653]

​@@cheekyhazelnutJack killed Agent Ross on the side of a river in the middle of nowhere in Mexico, with no witnesses to see him pull the trigger. You could argue maybe Ross's wife and brother (2 people Jack had to find first to figure out where Ross was) could be dangerous since they saw Jack's face. But Jack never gave them his name, and i doubt they'd remember enough about Jacks physical image anyway. All Jack would have to do to make 100% sure he wasnt caught, would be to just move away far from the area.

[@cheekyhazelnut]

@@jackbluehq6653 Thats really unlikely, You mean to tell me that one of the most successful and well known government agents dies around the same time a stranger asks for his whereabouts so he can deliver a "message" and nobody suspects a thing? Do you not think that Ross's brother or wife would be curious as to why Edgar hasn't returned from hunting and then go to see his dead body and connect the dots? We already saw in RDR2 that the pinkertons were able to track down John after he killed Micah in the middle of nowhere with no witnesses. Its not farfetched to assume the same with Jack.

[@jackbluehq6653]

@@cheekyhazelnut ummm did u not read what i said? I know that obviously those few people who Jack asked would be suspicious, but how would they know it was Jack? He gave no name, and I doubt they'd remember much details on his appearance especially since they all seemed really casual and unsuspecting when asked. Also John's case was very different. He had a huge gunfight before killing Micah in a way less obscure place (a big gang camp site) and he had just recently purchased a huge semi successful farm near blackwater in his name. Ofcourse they'd easily find him. Plus at that time the van der lin gang members were still being hunted down, including John. But Jack wasn't on any target list, as far as everyone was concerned all the members were dead by the time of 1914. So since Jack never gave him name, the few he questioned probably couldn't give any important description of him, he killed Ross quickly in an obscure area with no witnesses, and the fact that Ross's murder would not be linked to anything to do with the Van Der Lin Gang since they were considered a cold finished case by then, it's likely Jack got away with it.

[@cheekyhazelnut]

@@jackbluehq6653 I feel like you're stretching a lot dude.

[@Luka2000_]

When Jack killed Edgar Ross at the end of red dead redemption he did it not only for John, Abigail and Uncle but the whole gang. Deadmans gun also definetly describes Jack

[@edboy3644]

Great song for a great game ending

[@bradfromoz]

That was brilliant, Great editing and re-capturing the whole story! Well done!

[@towerbunga]

Jack is actually one of my favourite RDR characters, mainly because of my headcannons of what he does after RDR1. I always used imagine Jack got drafted into WW1 in 1917, and he joined up wilingly-ish to "See the world" like he says he wants to do in RDR2. Obviously that doesn't turn out great. I like to think he survived, settled back down for a quiet life at Beecher's Hope, married had kids ect. Then in my totally out there theory i think that the GTA Online character is a descendant of Jack, which i have no grounds for whatsoever except for the fact i think that would be cool.

[@TheJadedJames]

I remember thinking back in the day that a logical direct sequel to Red Read Redemption, would be following Jack Marston as a John Dillinger-style depression era bank robber. I never imaged Jack going straight. The fact that the cycle of violence remained unbroken, that there was no redemption was the ultimate point of the story ... Arthur/John went down a path that could not be escaped

[@Skiivin]

The last we see of jack is him disappearing into the Mexican wilderness after murdering a decorated federal agent I don’t think he’d go fight for the US

[@king_supreme1102]

Haha Jack going into WW1 is in my headcanon as well. I imagined he joined to escape the outlaw life. Realizing everything his parents did so that he wouldn’t have to live that life. Maybe when he gets back he could have a clean slate and become a writer or something since he always liked reading. Maybe tell the stories of the legendary Van Der Linde gang (maybe tracks down the survivors so they can tell the gang’s story). That’s the nice ending I imagined…. But in keeping with the tragedy aspect of his story he probably got killed in a similar way to John.

[@king_supreme1102]

@@TheJadedJames that’s a cool way to go too

[@chill3189]

@@TheJadedJames Red Dead Unredeemed.

[@evannesbitt7852]

If we ever get RDR3 I really hope we can get a story centered around Jack's struggle to escape justice and maybe just maybe finding his own little stake, a slice of redemption for himself in this changing, modern world.

[@calvinware7957]

I wouldn't hate that but tbh I think the better option would be to set the game back another ten years or so and play as Dutch. Let the player answer the question through their gameplay did Dutch become evil or was he always?

[@cannonz7]

It's not a bad idea but it would be more ideal to set the time to when the van der linde gang was at it's beginning. I agree, it would be cool to see jack's reaction to the changes in the world but it wouldn't make a lot of sense for a story.

[@rachelbest3813]

There an add which shows jack in the army doing rounds

[@WisdomThumbs]

​@@calvinware7957 I think we should play as Jack in the prologue, then meet Mac Callendar's daughter and get involved in a gang... Only to be betrayed and gunned down. As they're bleeding out, Jack tries to get her to stay awake by talking to her, and realizes who her father was. Flashback to the story of Mac Callendar, the only man harder and faster than Arthur Morgan, along with his whipcrack psycho brother Davey. We could witness Jack as a toddler up until he's 4 or 5, and see what leads Mac to gift his jacket to Arthur. I can see Mac finding a lover, and trying to keep her secret from everybody until he does "one last job" to keep his word to Dutch. But Davey finds out and blabs about it where Agents Milton and Ross hear about her, so after they finish off Mac's last stand (when he gave Arthur his horse to escape Blackwater), the Agents go pay his woman and new daughter a visit to rustle up information about the gang... ...Cut back to Jack in prison, then on trial, as he journals everything he remembers about the Van Der Linde gang, trying to make sense of the complex web of generational tragedies he's wrapped up in. Jack gets sent to fight in WW1 as part of a penal battalion, where he reunites with the gang member that betrayed him. After learning that Mac's daughter is still alive in prison, back stateside, Jack and the traitor shoot their way out of the Meuse-Argonne Offensive, only to get pinned down by a counter-offensive. The traitor gets pissed that he couldn't escape his life of crime, and got the same sentence as Jack despite informing on the new gang, which leads to Jack and the traitor getting into a dramatic knife-and-fistfight amidst barbed wire and explosions... Until they tumble into a shell crater to drown each other in blood. So players must choose whether to remember the game's lessons and kill the traitor, or spare him and share in redemption. Then a bunch of Germans show up above the crater, and the game's final shootout mirrors John's last stand. Only this time, we can win... But we only get the good ending where Jack wins and lives if we spare the traitor, so he can help shoot the last couple Germans when Jack runs out of ammo. Afterward, we get one of several cutscenes depending on our honor level and final choices. A High Honor ending where we kill the traitor would result in Jack laying on his back, dying like Mac, Arthur, and John, as he watches planes dogfight in the sky. "Machines like that can turn men... Into angels..." A Low Honor ending where we kill the traitor could be a shell burying Jack's body, so Mac Callendar's daughter can't even visit his grave after she's released from prison. He's just listed as MIA. And for a Good Ending, spare the traitor and score a kill with every single bullet in the final Dead Eye sequence. The traitor finishes off the last German when Jack runs out of ammo. Together, he and Jack get to go home with clean slates and start over, and Jack settles down at Beecher's Hope with Mac's daughter. That's a wall of text, but it's burning in my imagination! It would complete all the themes and possibilities of the trilogy. I hope we get something like this one day. It would need to focus on rugged individualism and close personal connections, more like RDR1 as opposed to the crumbling gang of RDR2. And it could contain cattle drives, avalanches, tornados, daring wagon heists, and even automobiles (Prologue) and tanks (Epilogue).

[@sirquacksalot6463]

That should be a dlc

[@drrobotnik44]

that mission where you take Jack fishing as Arthur was so adorable

[@chrisford7365]

You're right this is very sad for Jack...but...when he was at his parent's grave at the end of RD1 I was thinking to myself that him going after Ross would be RD2's future story and when the camera panned out to an adult Jack and I realized I was about to play it then and there, I got chills. It was a gaming moment I will never forget.

[@theblissfulinterzone7510]

I imagine Jack possibly servicing in WW1 coming back home and starting a writing career and family of his own whilst possibly leading a double life as a gunslinger. I also like to imagine Jack telling his children stories about their grandparents and Arthur too

[@ethank.6602]

A double life as a gunslinger in the 1920s?

[@KOCChristian]

@@ethank.6602 guessing with bootlegging crime raise during the time make sense he’ll go out be a vigilante. Write book on himself but as a “dark knight”

[@EddyOfTheMaelstrom]

The government ruined Jack's family multiple times. He would never be their foot soldier.

[@leostrate4768]

@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom hard agree

[@Jedimaster-zb1xu]

@@EddyOfTheMaelstrom maybe they arrested him and offerde him to join the army or be hung

[@thebackwoodsboysgarage9144]

11:58 i like 2 believe jack chose 2 remain in nuevo parasio mexico like landon ricketts since he had nothin left in beachers hope

[@Croissantmagne]

there is a gta 5 easter egg where you can find a ''red dead'' book written by j. marston in franklin's house, so maybe jack became a writer after all

[@moolahfornothing1650]

Most likely non-canon.

[@appratows6795]

@@moolahfornothing1650 yep, people saying these easter eggs are canon like bro. Rockstar confirmed that rdr universe are not canon on gta universe and these people keep "insisting"

[@Mewtwo_150]

@@appratows6795 I insist you get some bitches. They're literally connected by references and easter eggs. Hell there's two weapons that you can unlock in GTA Online and then use in RDR2

[@Croissantmagne]

@@appratows6795 you're totaly right, it's just fun to theorize

[@ryanpulliam8987]

In L.A noire there's an Easter egg and it's John's hat

[@VieriTheArtist]

I first played RDR1 when I was about Jack’s age (16) and while I was sympathetic to his plight, I don’t think I was ever ready to see him as a little baby boy. Now that I am an adult, the true tragedy sinks in. Jack is one of my favorite characters, and now I’m going to go cry!

[@craigdurso3005]

Jack Marston has to be the quintessential tragic story of them all , a hardened killer for a dad and a reformed thief/hooker for a mom surrounded by toughest gang that could be found … all those memories of the people he loved couldn’t stop him from making the exact same mistakes they did , finally being utterly alone in the end

[@jakesciortino5605]

Even though Jack committed the same sins as John and Arthur, I like to think he still deserved a happy ending because he was ultimately a product of the bad decisions of others, and only did what any of us would do in his shoes if we could

[@Whocares158]

Call it whatever you want. At the end of the day. Jack finally made his first kill. Jack is an Outlaw now just like everyone else.

[@karthikcv8104]

I like to be optimistic and think that down the line, he was able to live happily after all. But what happened up to that point is definitely the greatest tragedy in all of Red Dead Redemption.

[@nayten0324]

Same I like to believe he eventually realised what his parents died for, found some sense of peace, married and had a family and published a biographical book on the gang titled red dead redemption

[@sunnex474]

Jack was the reason the gang fell apart because you can see that Arthur was going to dead eye Milton and Ross at the end of the fishing mission but as Jack was there he didn’t

[@JakeDudeIThink]

Lool

[@MrBassmann15]

I think I might know what happened to Jack after the events of RDR1. Nobody comes looking for Jack since no one suspects why this random 19-year-old kid would go all the way to Mexico to kill him. Witnesses might report that someone was looking to deliver a message, by the West is too huge to look around for one person. Jack gets away with murder. Jack falls into a depression since there isn't much for him to do anymore. He has built his whole life up to this point to kill Ross, and his only skills are shooting and reading. With the Wild West over with, his skills aren't really applicable anymore and he starts to struggle financially. He spent too much time learning to shoot to become a farmer and can't keep up with the bills quick enough to make a profit as he learns to farm and buys livestock. But then the United States entered WW1 and Jack enlists in the infantry (US Army uniform is unlocked when playing as Jack). His ability to read, intelligence, and marksmanship help him rise through the ranks and he gets commissioned. After the war, he uses his skills and veteran status with his honorable discharge to become a US Marshall (US Marshall uniform unlocked when playing as Jack). He has earned enough money from his new job and time in the Army to stay financially stable. But he doesn't really have enough to properly run his farm nor the time from being a marshall. Jack wants to get away from shooting people all the time because it really isn't him. He wants to write books and live a normal life. Using his ability to read and write, Jack writes a book about the events of the Red Dead universe (Red Dead book found in GTA). He changes the names so he can promote it as a work of fiction to protect himself and the Marston name. Because the Wild West has been romanticized over the years with adventure and many people wonder what it was like, the book becomes a mainstream success and becomes a literary classic that is read even up to the GTA years of the Rockstar Universe. Jack fulfills his dream of becoming a successful writer and finally earns enough royalties to retire and live a happy life.

[@clarkvelasco4697]

From the start of his life, his parents situation, and the environment he grew up. The path Jack was going to end up to was simply inevitability.

[@sardalan6192]

It’s sad how Aurthurs sacrifice was all for nothing because of John idiotic seek of vengeance for Aurthur even though he told him to not look back.😔

[@josephf3713]

Unless you just go back for the money then you get to leave micah with a epic eye scar

[@couchman3216]

It was worth the 20,000 dollars

[@mightyomar1318]

I really want to see if Jack became a Author. I really hope that after he killed Ross. It's the best thing that they could do for Jack. But I really don't think so because of his personality after he killed ross.

[@melonman198]

Aren't there books in GTA written by Jack?

[@mightyomar1318]

@@melonman198 yeah there is one called "Red Dead Redemption" by J. Marston

[@melonman198]

@@mightyomar1318 ah ight

[@SSingh-nr8qz]

@@mightyomar1318 I would like to believe that is canon, since Rockstar has said all their games are connected.

[@stc3145]

He kills Ross and the game ends. He could have become anything, what is there to suggest he becomes a gunslinger

[@kiryuchansboyfriend]

Jack is the reason why I want an RDR3, just to see once and for all the canon ending of this story. Even though it's 1917, there's a lot of places they could take the story, but ultimately I just want confirmation on what happens to the legacy we've been fighting for all these years. Plus it'd be interesting to see a man with nothing as our protagonist (unlike Arthur who had the gang and John who had his family)

[@MTTT19]

Part of me likes to think that after John died, Jack told Abigail that he wanted to learn to be a gunslinger so he could hunt down and kill Edgar Ross. Abigail told him no but Jack snuck out of the house in the middle of the night and sought out Sadie Adler to teach him how to use a gun. She reluctantly agreed and taught him all she knew. Years later, Jack returned to Beechers Hope and found Abigail had passed away in her sleep. After burying her, Jack went on to avenge his father.

[@_Devil]

The entire story of the Red Dead universe is depressing tbh. Arthur died getting revenge on Mr Downes for owing money (since Arthur wouldve lived if he hadnt caught TB), John died getting revenge on Dutch, Javi, and Bill for corrupting the gang, and Jack risked his life getting revenge on Agent Ross for killing John. Its all a cycle of revenge, and how destructive it is when youre focused on getting it no matter what. I really hope RDR1 can come to PC, because I dont have an Xbox or Playstation to play it on lol

[@kaidenhall2718]

Arthur was always right

[@slent5346]

@@kaidenhall2718 But none of them listened

[@lionkingflo6355]

John didn't die because of getting revenge on Dutch, but getting revenge on Micah which led to Ross finding John. And Arthur didn't go for revenge at all.

[@appratows6795]

Dont look back but John looked back then killed Micah so Ross tracked him. That son of a bitch

[@JohnJbVlogsyt]

Dutch always said revenge is a fools game

[@JustAthena1]

This makes me want to replay both games again. I would love to know what actually happened to Jack

[@letsbehonest4221]

Same..but i recently sold my old ps3 and all the games including rdr1 ...

[@ryanpulliam8987]

I'm not sure we'll know what happened seeing as in red dead 1 you play as him

[@JustAthena1]

@@letsbehonest4221 ah damn. Maybe one day you'll get it back

[@JustAthena1]

@@ryanpulliam8987 yeah I'm talking about after rdr 1. Maybe we can get another rdr and we play as him

[@letsbehonest4221]

@@JustAthena1 i do regret selling but the problem was i just dont have room for 2 game consoles and 2 lots of games.. ..i think when i have more space i will get it again but for now im happy to play rdr on my ps4..

[@mike1967sam]

The most dangerous kind of man is the one who has nothing to live for...much more rare in our time but they're still out there. Never cross such a man, you don't know who's who and you might be standing next to one.

[@always_serpico]

I’d love a Red Dead game that features Jack, and the bulk of the missions are co-op with his kid. Him learning through those interactions, to be at peace. He eventually writes a book, and it all ends with him as an old man, reading the book to his grandchildren. They ask him if the stories are real, and he just smiles.

[@axelcordova8262]

If there's gonna be a RDR 3, I feel like it should go the Neo Western route. With Jack being a much older man, and with a son of his own to look after.

[@DIRTYPLACCY]

No way everyone is saying this but it’ll never happen

[@thetrollage1298]

They should probably do a prequel first for rdr3 on how the gang formed together then IF they make rdr4 which they probably won’t but hopefully will make it will be about jack then most likely

[@WarsGrasp]

i always imagined jack, canonically, only went to kill ross, the actual villian of rdr1. While yes, in game when you control him he's basically his dad in every way, i always believed outside of the game, he wanted justice for john. he got it. then he went to live the life his parents always wanted him to have.

[@_BND_]

Thank you Fizhy for putting work in these videos we watch we really appreciate you mate

[@melonman198]

Can't believe jack corrupted Dutch like that, man! 😭

[@vickshim8]

How did jack corrupt Dutch? That was fucking Micah and him lying to Dutch constantly and making him turn on anyone who didn’t have “faith” in Dutch so you’re wrong all jack did was be corrupt himself and talking all about revenge and murder

[@melonman198]

@@vickshim8 it was a joke bro chill

[@Wylyth-nr3hq]

What might help is that Jack was much more subtle in taking his revenge against Edgar Ross than John was taking his revenge against Micah Bell. John fought and killed quite a few on his way to Micah Bell, while Jack simply politely asks for information about Edgar Ross' location, leaving no blood trail (provided you as a player don't choose to kill his wife and/ or brother) to follow.

[@icedrakesr]

Hear me out: Jack takes his revenge in 1917, then finds himself drawn into World War 1, believing he has nothing to live for back home and might as well see the world (which he wanted as a youth) before he goes out. While overseas, he finds a reason to go on. Injured in combat, he's taken to a field hospital where he is cared for and eventually falls in love with a nurse. After the war, the two marry once they're back home. Refusing to move back to the West, Jack and his wife settle in New York during the Roaring Twenties. Things are good for a while, with the post-war economy booming. They have a child together, and things are looking good. Then, at the end of the decade, the Great Depression hits. Jack and his family suddenly find themselves destitute with most of the rest of the country. Jack falls in with organized crime during the 1930s to keep his family from starving, falling back on his father's gun-slinging ways to provide. Obviously, this causes stress within the family, ultimately leading to them either splitting apart or moving back west, to the California area. Depending on how things end in New York, whether Jack ultimately turns on his criminal counterparts or decides to flee from the law, he finds himself pursued across the country by one faction or another, making a series of riskier decisions that ultimately lead to either death or glory. If they're going to continue the Red Dead storyline without dropping back to the Old West period, and plan to continue Jack's story, that's what I'd like to see. But, I guess we'll all find out in 2028 when they eventually get around to releasing another game.

[@abualofenkasi5634]

In 2028 they will only release gta 5 on a toaster or gta 5 definitive edition

[@nate974]

I have one question, why would jack look to the military when the government ruined his life?

[@icedrakesr]

@@nate974 Couple of reasons off hand: One, he might see it merely as a chance to travel the world as a "final hoorah" given his general outlook on life or, he might consider the chance to help other people who are being oppressed by other governments overseas. I don't like the "he could get drafted" idea, because no one willing to go on the run from the government is that worried about a draft letter. Two, he might decide to join the French Foreign Legion. It was fairly popular at the time for young men looking to put their pasts behind them while seeking adventure overseas.

[@connerSphotography]

I’d rather play as sadie it’s a cowboy/cowgirl game series not a war game cod did that like 1000 times

[@Nivek-RAM]

Not mention he’ll be able to ride horses and drive cars lol

[@Lazarus98849]

I always felt like after Jack took revenge, he most likely became a bounty hunter I think. Even with the death of Ross, nobody saw Jack nor would Jack could be connected by authorities so I am unsure if he would slip into being an outlaw canonically.

[@jtmcclure6998]

I have to agree. It seems to make more sense given that the days of gunslingers and cowboys are pretty much dead at that point. I could see Jack stamping out the remaining gangs. Jack being the product of a legacy left behind by both outlaws and corrupt lawmen I couldn’t see him joining a gang but I couldn’t see him being a lawman either given that his first experiences with “the law” were people like Milton and Ross - who proved to be undeniably worse than the outlaws in many aspects.

[@Whocares158]

Call it whatever you want. At the end of the day. Jack finally made his first kill. Jack is an Outlaw now just like everyone else.

[@Roaden]

Jack did become a writer. In GTA V you can find a book in Franklins new home called "Red Dead" by J. Marston

[@NorthernShark89]

I can just imagine the likes of Dutch smiling as Ross hits the ground. (Or water if you hit him in the correct places.)

[@prestigeworldwide5682]

Would love to see Jack’s story after the Gunslinging western era has ended. Though that era has ended completely the skills he has as a bounty hunters hasn’t changed but yet evolved with the weapons that perhaps have evolved.

[@modyfrisrajczka8657]

he started to write books.

[@prestigeworldwide5682]

@@modyfrisrajczka8657 Though he did can’t be denied that he wasn’t put in a predicament where the guns gotta come out.

[@stevenbrennan7027]

The videos that have been created recently have been absolutely brilliant

[@federalbureauofinvestigati6386]

It’s my personal head cannon that jack would eventually break the cycle. He would go off and pursue his wishes and as some point retell the events of his young in the form of a novel. Telling not just his story but also of his father and the Van Der Linde gang. This book would be called “red dead” and copy would later be found in Franklin house during the early events of GTA 5. Side note: another possible theory was that Jack didn’t break the cycle and would pass it down to his children and there forth. And Michael from GTA 5 would be Jacks great grand son

[@ciarandolan7695]

Personally, I could see jack ending up like other late old west outlaws either surviving but on the fringes of society or murdered/caught. One little known guy that comes to mind is Henry Wells, a bank robber who grew up in the 1890s Oklahoma territory was only ever convicted once but still served 5 years. He also was a member of the Al Spencer gang a group that started off in the late 1910s riding horses but ended up using souped up cars in the 20s before their downfall. Ultimately though he ended up being friends with a shady former banker turned oil baron who never learned to ride a car and was obsessed with outlaws. I think Henry Wells died sometime in the 50s or early 60s, always playing pool. But since Jack was in Mexico at the end of the game, I'd say it's possible he could've ended up in the games equivalent of the army del Norte's American legion made up of former soldiers, lawmen, international mercenaries and quite possibly some outlaws. Just my own reading creeping into my perception of what they could do with Jack's story.

[@jacoblezaic8403]

Most likely, Jack went on to become FBI agent as you unlock the Bureau Uniform at the end. He also would go on to write a book based on Arthur’s and John’s journals called “Red Dead” in GTAV

[@TheBasedTyrant]

The ending is very open ended and intentionally so. Most likely Edgar Ross's death will not come back to haunt Jack with any legal consequences because there were no direct witnesses to the killing and besides that it was a duel which are acceptable for far more trivial reasons. The most likely consequence if any would be if Ross's family, maybe an unseen member of his family might seek revenge in a similar fashion having come to the conclusion that it must have been him. You get the general feeling though that his wife is the only one who actually cares about him at all and that her perspective of him is clearly warped and probably not shared by many others. She calls him a "sensitive man" which could be a polite way of saying what his brother says "he has a filthy temper". I don't think anyone would be very motivated to avenge Ross. As Edgar Ross said "everyone will eventually pay for what they have done." Only it was him who was in debt and had to pay with his life, Jack was just collecting on it.

[@jeremiahfyan]

B4 the video even starts, I want to say jack is ENTIRELY alone after the epilogue in RDR1. Hes maybe 20 if I remember correctly, and NO ONE from his childhood is alive/ around. He has no guidance, no family, and because of the choices of his parents. Jack is the only true victim of circumstance in the VanderLinde gang

[@viggo2282]

Jack actually became a writer later in life. You can see this in GTA V where there is a book on Franklin’s bookcase that says Red Dead by j Marston.

[@user-hx6gs9rq7u]

GTA v is a separate universe, the book is just an Easter egg

[@maxzapom]

​@@user-hx6gs9rq7u how does that make any sense, how do you know there are multiple universes in the games

[@TorturedMongoose2003]

The rest of his life is a open book... They can possibly tell more stories.

[@TheIrishSaveIreland]

Well aslong as jack is alive the van der linde gang is never truly over

[@tjjordan4207]

I believe in the theory that Grand Theft Auto and Red Dead Redemption are set in the same universe, due to the novel that can be found by Franklin in GTA5. It makes everything feel all the more grand and expansive, adding a nice history to follow. But I also believe that Jack may have been the one to get true redemption and stop the cycle of violence. If a true sequel to the first game is ever made, I hope they go the route of having him achieve it and writing a book to detail the lives of the gang and his father. Although, I hope they make an official 3rd title that reveals the origins of the gang before making an official sequel to conclude the series. A 4-part game series.

[@motormouth2472]

This is why I personally want RDR3 to be a Jack Marston story. One where he has a kid and woman, and Ross' former partner Fordham is the head detective. From there, Jack has to escape Fordham and the rest of the Pinkerton's, while protecting his only loves ones

[@SlavicUnionGaming]

the fact Rockstar made rdr2 and then abandoned it. and now only care about milking GTA 5 while working on GTA 6, which means they never cared about the franchise. they only care about money.

[@user-ConnorKaroThompson]

Thats just the plot of the first game, and it wouldn't work because by 1920 there was no room for outlaws.

[@boxcutter4]

Just replay rdr1 to get this same plot lmfao

[@motormouth2472]

The plot for RDR1 was John working with the law up until the last mission, not him running the entire game. It's possible to further separate the plot from both read dead games. Have Jack keep his secret from his woman and child out of fear of the chaos that would rise from revealing the secret, etc. With proper writing, it would maybe be some interesting internal conflict

[@Symphonicrockfran]

Jack deserves more recognition. I'd love to see him putting an end to the Van Der Linde Gang story.

[@OfficialAJWilson]

I feel like with RDR3, Jack Marston has the potential to be the greatest protagonist possibly that Rockstar would ever have, let alone the series. He’s in such a pivotal time period in history, one thing I hope is that he genuinely gets a happy ending and not go out like his Uncle & Father.

[@mistertwister2000]

Jack Marston would be a middle aged man during the height of prohibition and the rise of mobsters, so feasibly Jack’s life as a gunslinger could grate against the new age criminal. That would be an interesting dynamic to see

[@Sam-dh7fv]

Wasn’t that the plot of red dead redemption 1 tho ?

[@Sam-dh7fv]

Like the story of red dead redemption is in 1911 which is like 11 years after the west had already ended. There is cars. Telephones basically on every desk in the game. A newspaper that talks about how 50% of citizens live in urban areas rather than rural. And yeah

[@modyfrisrajczka8657]

It would ruin the Game.

[@mistertwister2000]

@@modyfrisrajczka8657 I wasn’t saying it should be in the game, I was just saying that would be an interesting dynamic 😂

[@duderitoz6953]

Jack didnt fall into the trap of revenge, the lawmen did & they paid with their lives. However Jack is still a tragedy because he now at under 20 goes home to an empty ranch & has nobody in his circle. The emotions going through his head, ill be amazed if he isnt depressed.

[@hypnoticskull6342]

If they make a third game about Jack, I'd assume that just like how he's shown in the end of RDR1, he'd be emotionally distant, callous, and deeply disturbed, but still has a good heart. The game could center around Jack making connections with people again and learning to love life again after World War 1 and 2, him aging in the ending where he finishes writing a best-selling book about his life that he calls, Red Dead

[@pugachevskobra5636]

It’s very easy for me to believe Jack was able to survive long enough to leave the life that trapped his father and his family. He’s shown from an early age to be intelligent and creative and I can very easily see a scenario where he gets revenge for his father and manages to truly escape the life unlike his parents and his family. But as you alluded to he’s all alone at this point. His entire family is dead; has been for some time now. He’ll probably be alone for the rest of his life too, never feeling comfortable enough to settle down with some roots of his own.

[@noskills5874]

I don’t think Jack became an outlaw, I just think he reasonably just moved on and lived a “normal” life

[@J.Valentine1031]

In GTA V, In Franklin's home, there is a book titled "Red Dead Redemption" written by Jack Marston. A nice easter egg that implies that Jack lives to an age where he writes a book either about his father or his experiences in the tamed west.

[@BurningSorrows]

Damn realizing Jack is a broken young man now ever since the revelations of the Van Der Lin gang and his parents dying.