The Tragic Life of Rosemary Kennedy

[@efw9060]

I was born in 1952 and if not for my Grandmother I might have of suffered from the same condition as Rosemary. The doctor had not arrived when I began my appearance and the nurse tried to make my Mother put her legs together to put off my birth until the doctor got there. Grannie pushed her out of the way and told her, "This baby is coming now!" I arrived 15 minutes before the Doctor (who was at a football game.) We don't realize how fate is dependent on the action of others. Love your channel! Thanks.

[@jrpacer6355]

I know with my 3rd baby he almost was born before my husband came you really can't hold back a baby when the head is crowned

[@InnaVitamina777]

So true. Just ONE action can change so many future events for so many people.

[@larissabrglum3856]

Your granny was a badass!

[@CasualPhoenix1]

Hell yea, grandma!

[@lizadivine3785]

Your grandma was wonderful!!

[@OscarLikesArt]

I don't even know what to say after watching this. She looked so beautiful, capable and independent in the clip at the end of the video. And then the fact that she remembered her family all throughout this is just haunting

[@mdperkins1482]

Poor Rosemary, I’m so sorry this was done to her. RIP dear heart.

[@Labanmahal]

You had me gasping time and time again. She was AWAKE during the lobotomy? They snipped and turned her lights out forever. The YEARS of sacrifice that she had to endure from boarding school to boarding school to being isolated and ostracized by her own family. This is absolutely heartbreaking. The part where you explained how she never forgot who her family members were and started sobbing while pounding on her mother’s chest after not seeing her for 20 YEARS. God, that poor poor woman

[@applepie1923]

Let me give you a little relief. The brain has no feeling. and anytime you do surgery on the brain you are always kept awake in order to answer questions. You are put out in the beginning in order to saw through the skull and after that they wake the person and get to work. It's still like that today. Joe did not want a imperfect child. So he went around trying to fit it. Can't be President when your family isn't perfect. Money brought him everything. When you are that rich your son's can become President. His sons were everything, but in the end he suffered and then died. Now, he was the one that was imperfect.

[@lorrainemerry8661]

The brain doesn't feel pain.

[@lhl9010]

@@lorrainemerry8661 when one knows they are losing and it is being done to them while being restrained it is not physical pain but torture.

[@loosilu]

It waS normal to do lobotomies without anesthetic. There was no drilling or cauterization. The doctor would insert a tool similar to an icepick nto the inside corner of the eye, and driving it through that paper thin bone into the brain. Then the brain was scrambled. The surgery was done blind, meaning the doctor had only a vague idea what specific parts of the brain were being scrambled.

[@floralbouquets]

My niece had surgery for brain cancer (2 times) and because of where the tumor was located she had to be awake during the surgery. They had to be able to communicate with her during surgery.

[@Bubbacrunch1]

Very well done. This is, by far, the best story of Rosemary that I've seen. I had read years ago that she was dyslexic and epileptic. Autism makes sense, as well. If she had been raised on a farm, in the Midwest, without the incredible competition, she may have had a happy life.

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

Thank you, Eric!

[@natk4017]

She was oxygen deprived for 2 hours at birth, that itself would cause serious life long mental and physical disabilities. She was not autistic.

[@traceymillwood]

@@natk4017 I have a daughter with autism and they have a lot of similarities to each other and also to other children I know on the spectrum.

[@natk4017]

@traceymillwood if you actually had a child on the spectrum, you'd be well aware that autism is a massive variety of symptoms and comorbidites that can present as or actually be other conditions. Just because a child is nonverbal doesn't automatically make them autistic. Not only that, but girls present autism very differently than their male counterparts most of the time (not always), although this research is pretty new.

[@traceymillwood]

@@natk4017 I DO have a child on the spectrum so I am very aware of the differences from person to person. I don’t appreciate you insinuating that I’m lying. My daughter is very different from every other child on the spectrum that I know. They all have their own little “quirks” as I like to call them. I was just saying that Rosemary shared a lot of similarities with my daughter. I have a friend whose child has selective mutism, so I am very well aware that nonverbal doesn’t necessarily mean that they have autism. Please don’t talk down to me like I’m stupid either! I have been through more with my daughter than you could ever imagine!!

[@connievino4226]

When I talked about this on a different site I almost died . People said she was hard to handle. No proof of that. Dad Joe was too afraid of her getting pregnant. My God, shame on him. A lobotomy? So rich they could have hired a nurse.

[@clare1971]

I can’t even imagine how agonising it must have been to have a partially born baby pushed back in again. The thought of that makes my eyes water, poor poor woman

[@tudormiller887]

It was the culture of the era. Unfortunately!

[@bullseye2694]

Poor baby!!

[@natk4017]

She should have kicked that nurses lights out and delivered on her own. What the actual fvck.

[@natk4017]

@@CancelJohnnyDepp God schizophrenia is so sad 💀

[@CancelJohnnyDepp]

@@natk4017 -Come over an see Johnny Depp pursuing Amber Heard with a blade as she begs him to stop, the recording played at the trial, transcribed and loudened

[@portablepulpit]

Brooke, beautiful job here. My wife and I have 4 young kids, one son with high functioning Autism and one daughter with ADHD. My wife has depression and ADD. So I have learned as a husband/father to be very sensitive and approach things very differently. I am aware we live in a much more aware and educated time about mental illness. Despite all, my family is very strong and amazing and I am thankful for each of them! I am glad each of your videos are not limited to crime videos like many these days. As always I am a Armchair cheerleader. Keep it going and get more following through other social media outlets!

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

It sounds like you have a beautiful, tight-knit family! And as always, thank you for your support! 💛

[@portablepulpit]

@@ArmchairInvestigator I do. Thank you. And you're welcome 😊

[@hazelnut0127]

Stop the jabs

[@LegiyonEhellout]

I found this video as I was trying to find a video about Rosemary. I heard her tragic tale before and I wanted to refresh my memory. And I have to say, this was very professional and well-presented. I hope your channel grows soon and fast. Subscribed! :)

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

Gosh, thank you so much for the kind words! That mean a lot to me! 💛

[@xChaosReignsx]

She was really beautiful this story always gets me upset, it’s awful how her family cared more about “reputation” than their daughter! Also I am someone with ADHD, anxiety, depression, and addiction issues so when you listed the things lobotomy supposedly cured it made me sick to think about! It’s a very good thing lobotomies are a thing of the past but I can’t help but feel for all those people who underwent the procedure in the past SMH

[@larissabrglum3856]

Most people who were given lobotomies were women, too, despite women being less prone to severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia.

[@nikkiderringer]

The thought of lobotomies terrify me because I know that if I had been born 50 years before I was, I would've ended up in an asylum and probably lobotomized due to epilepsy, ADHD, depression and anxiety. Not to mention my past addiction issues. Rosemary was a gorgeous lady and it saddens me that her father cared more about his family's political aspirations than he did the well-being of his daughter. Even if Rosemary was a little difficult and slower to learn things, the Kennedy's had the money to get her full time help, like a caregiver. But nooooooo... They felt the need to put her away because she might embarrass them. Poor Rosemary.

[@ohiostreetjoe3185]

Joe Kennedy was quite the snake. How sad for Rose not to have known of the operation. The times were different then. I worked in a state hospital in the 1970s. One of the patients on the ward had been lobotomized. His name was Walter. I never once believed he deserved anything but a listening ear and whatever music he liked (his favorite: Goodnight Irene!). If Rose was anything like Walter, she was completely aware of what was done to her. I suppose the times had much to do with how she was not given the proper supports. There is something sweet about her experience at St. Coletta's, I suppose. No wonder Rose is known to have said, "It has been said, 'time heals all wounds.' I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time, the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them with scar tissue and the pain lessens."

[@Bampitas74psKR]

I was aware of Rosemary’s story but you filled in a lot of detail I was unaware of. I thought she had passed in the 70’s but to find out she didn’t pass until 2005 is amazing. For all the Kennedy family’s faults they sure did work to make life better for those who are mentally and physically disabled but only after Joe died. I hope Joe Kennedy spent the rest of his life in agony knowing what he did to Rosemary’s beautiful soul. May Rosemary Rest In Peace with her King!!!!!

[@Koopalingfan]

Totally.

[@cootriley6]

You are right- Joe, Sr. was a monster...

[@latishaleake2469]

2005 was the year I was born

[@Msbuddy08sej]

All about image. How sad and tragic.

[@deb7412]

@@latishaleake2469 As was my son. Have you celebrated your 18th just yet? Or still 17? x

[@Faythe98]

I can not imagine being forced to delay labor for 2 hours. Especially with the baby in the birth canal. How excruciating.

[@farrellmcnulty909]

Not to mention the midwife's hand shoved inside holding the baby in place by her head, just so doctor wouldn't be upset about missing the birth. It's all about saving face, keeping up appearances, putting one's best foot forward. That attitude sickens me.

[@larauch13]

I knew of Rosemary Kennedy and that she had a lobotomy that went very wrong. However, I did not know about her life otherwise. My heart goes out to her and what she went through. May she rest in blessed peace knowing that her siblings took up causes to benefit the disabled, because of her story. That part of her legacy she can be very proud of. You are remembered Rosemary for the inspiration of you on others to benefit the less fortunate. Thank you Rosemary for all you went through. Thank you for sharing her tragic story.

[@MicheleMJJ]

This is a wonderful story about Rosemary. She suffered the fate of a nurse who refused to deliver her on time which was unthinkable. She was a beautiful young woman with such a radiant smile. Joe Kennedy was an evil man to put her through the procedure. He only cared about what people would think about having a daughter with disabilities. I cannot understand why Rose didn't visit her unless it was too upsetting. It seems unbelievable that the other children didn't know where she was. That was also wrong to keep them from seeing her. Even though the effects of the lobotomy couldn't be repaired, it would have done Rosemary good to see her family. I don't know how Rose could ever forgive Joe for doing this behind her back. Having pride in your family is important, but being ashamed that one of your children wasn't "perfect" is horrible. Your video is by far the best I have seen. Thank you for all your hard work.

[@katemaloney4296]

You forgot to mention that iit totally traumatized Teddy, who said for the longest time he was afraid to disappoint his father because he might disappear like Rosemary did.

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

💔

[@carlagraham7382]

That could be why he left Mary Jo Kopechne in the car to drown instead of immediately calling for assistance.

[@candaceroberts3238]

So what does that tell you about Joe-an evil man.

[@samanthachia1491]

If you believe in Karma, at the very least Rosemary lived out her life with very little to no (additional) trauma. Can't say the same for most of her relatives.

[@tashibalampkin8555]

I wonder why her father prevented family members from seeing Rosemary. This man messed up big time. The sister even said, "Don't do this to Rosemary. We don't want that for her." The mom wasn't even told about the surgery. He probably didn't want others to see Rosemary because it would show how wrong he was. As the "head of the household," "the man of the house," he failed. And to show that failure (Rosemary) was not something he wanted. He likely only visited Rosemary every once in a while to see if she made improvements in the hopes he can show her off to the family as being "cured" or "fixed."

[@nitronoah1265]

I can’t say this isn’t true but I do believe he must have felt a great deal of guilt and betrayal as many felt after having a family member go through a lobotomy because at the time there was little to no treatment for mental illness and disabilities. People with them would just live in overcrowded asylums where experimental procedures were used on them. Her father likely didn’t want that for his daughter and like many others was led to believe the lobotomy was a miracle cure and the best option for Rosemary since there were few other options. As for why he never consulted his family I hope it was to surprise them but it may have well been to not have to deal with arguing with them. The whole story is very sad and unsettling. But the saddest part is just how unfortunate the lives of those with mental illness and/or disabilities was at the time

[@michaelm6948]

@@nitronoah1265 That's not the case. Daughter Kick (Kathleen) was asked by her mother to look into the available research on the frontal lobotomy procedure. Kick consulted with medical people and got hold of research and the reporting of a journalist on a newspaper where she was employed. She digested all this information and begged her father not to put Rosemary through this horror. Old Joe unilaterally decided that Rosemary undergo the lobotomy, and told the doctors to do it "as soon as possible". Later Kathleen was also hidden from view due to her unapproved marriage to an Anglican aristocrat who died almost immediately in WWII. Kathleen then became involved with another married English aristocrat and died with him in a plane crash in 1947. Old Joe had her relationships covered up and wanted no memory of her in the public realm.

[@lhl9010]

@@nitronoah1265 she was functioning she did not need institutionalization.

[@darrylg3861]

He was ashamed of her. She didn't meet his "ideal child" narrative. So. . .....

[@HotPeridot2]

Yes, I knew the whole story about Rosemary; but, I'll be 70 in a couple of months and I remember well when JFK was assassinated and I remember doing research in high school for a paper I was writing about the Kennedy family. Thank you for your video and research on this subject - I'm glad you put the whole story into a video of a bit over half an hour (it was well done, great job).

[@laurenhbauler]

I just found your channel yesterday and I am hooked! I have heard many different stories from other angles, on different channels or on different podcast before but I have never heard Rosemary Kennedy‘s story before. This is so overwhelmingly sad. To know that she was thriving and have those opportunities were taken away from her is completely suffocating to all that she could have been. Thanks for your contribution to the tube! I have a two year old and I can appreciate that these aren’t all made to be scary. Being married to a scientist during the pandemic was scary enough. Along with that, I was pregnant at the same time. My son will be 2.5 in August. I would be horrified if I intentionally kept him from educational and developmental growth just for the sake of my family’s name. Thanks, Brooke!

[@deb7412]

@laurenh.bauler8232 I found this site yesterday night. Just 11 + hours after you. And so glad I did. So desperately cruel, evil, tragic and heartbreaking what happened to Rosemary. And in all of the photos prior to the lobotomy performed on her, she looked to be a perfectly normal individual whom perhaps had a few learning challenges that she overcame in the UK when with the nuns, but yet another move to elsewhere and not allowed to stay there with those nuns due to the war sent her off the rails rebelling, delayed rebelling. And her father destroyed his beautiful healthy vibrant vacious (probably free spirited) daughter. I truly do not believe for one second her mother and siblings knew nothing about the upcoming labotomy and that it had happened. They knew, and shunned her because they were to stuck up and ashamed of anyone who experienced difficulties in life and was a bit different, or spoke their own mind and went their own way regardless of being told no. She was a liability and embarrassment that they didn't want showing them up. She wasn't refined enough. And then after her father's death do they all then crawl out of the woodwork supporting various things relating to disability to hide their shame and to make it look like they were innocent and cared about people whom experience disabilities/difficulties/mental health issues etc. Them covering their own backs to try and look squeaky clean. They knew! No mother whom genuinely loves and cares about their child regardless of their child's age doesn't somehow not know about their child being operated on/having been operated on, and doesn't see their child for what was it? 20 years? That's not a mother who loves their child, that's a phoney flaky lying bitch mother and phoney flaky lying siblings!

[@gaylemacafee1126]

I had no idea what Rosemary had to endure throughout her life. Thank you for sharing.

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

I’m glad you enjoyed the video!

[@tashibalampkin8555]

The father was a piece of work. If the road to hell is paved with good intentions, he paved that path with gold.

[@wannacashmeoutside]

Fools gold more like. He was a vile, sinister, egotistical man unfortunately. He dabbled with mafias, nazis, communists. He would sell his childrens soul if it meant he had more power.

[@katemaloney4296]

Joe Kennedy never had good intentions; he only means to an end.

[@guspapadopoulos]

You did a great job with this. Your narration was clear and articulate. Your story telling was precise and all true.

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

Thank you! 😊 I appreciate that!

[@Realtor365]

This is so heartbreaking.. My grandmother underwent a lobotomy in the 50’s due to schizophrenia and this sheds a whole new light on it. Ugh. Thanks for covering this important case.

[@sherryseeton6749]

Absolutely heartless of Rosemary's father to treat her as he did, and then cover it up. He should have gone to jail. As well as the nurse who knowingly caused the brain damage in the first place. 💔

[@mayrakopjansen2814]

This was such a sad story How can a father do something like this to his own daughter,his own flesh and blood Shame on him

[@dawndellarocco2362]

He was a monster, cold, and a ruthless philanderer

[@pamk5620]

This is so heartbreaking. How could her father live with himself?

[@dannyleo4791]

Poor Rosemary. She is in a much better place now, free of all the pain.

[@Clearlight201]

Very sensitive, compassionate and detailed presentation, thank you. The backdrop to this story is hard for us to comprehend now: it was a time when the deepest prejudices on the basis of race, disability and other traits were accepted as true. The family, probably mainly Joe, let their concerns for social standing and worldly success rise above any unconditional love they might have had for Rosemary. The stupid doctors who pioneered this and persuaded families it would work also have all the responsibility for what happened.

[@unhiddenhistory]

The Kennedys, like all presidential families, had tremendous influence on the public. Instead of using that influence to pave the way for the public to overcome the stigma of disabilities and mental illness, they chose to ruin their daughter. They could have held her up as an example of how the intellectually disabled CAN thrive and have fulfilling lives in the right environment and with the love of their families, but they folded with the stigma of the times. They could have destroyed that stigma by telling the world, "This is our daughter and we love her for the person she is." Instead, they destroyed her.

[@Heather-tj9ej]

I worked at Saint Colleta in the primary facility right next to the "kennedy house". She was very well cared for through the years. Jefferson, WI. Saint Colleta did a lot through the years for thousands of disabled kids. At one point everyone got excited when Arnold Schwarzenegger visited the house.

[@dianetaillon9875]

There was nothing horribly wrong with her to begin with but there was something wrong with Joe Kennedy and his inability to love and accept her for the way she was being disabled or having a handicap does not mean there is something wrong with that person it just makes them a little different and because of the way quote-unquote normal people are it often means their life is more difficult

[@luismacias3146]

The Kennedys are so image absorbed they care about their reputation more then thier kids very sad 💔

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

She was so beautiful. How the hell could they do that to her?

[@katemaloney4296]

Rose was prevented from having Rosemary because the doctor would not have received the $100 for delivering a baby. It was for that reason alone Rose's legs were held together. It was about money, not the flu

[@Msbuddy08sej]

OMG. 😲

[@carlagraham7382]

That was not so uncommon, even in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Also babies pushed back into the mother's vagina when they popped their heads out. I know people that that happened to, on doctor's orders, because of the delivery fee that they wouldn't get if they were not in the room when the baby was delivered. It's also the reason for so many interventions, as doctors get more money the more they interfere. Hence the current popularity of home births and free births.

[@edmundwessels2072]

It happened to us too my wife gave birth to our daughter on 5 November 1994. The doctor was late and the head nurse forced my wife's legs closed although my daughter's head already showed but some how my child pushed through and was born before the doctor arrived.

[@lindacalderon6417]

Similar to Dr's in hospitals killing people with remdesivir to get covid money....

[@landers3700]

Good Reporting. Info and pictures never heard or seen before. 👍🏽

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

Thank you!

[@cassie4611]

Thank you for sharing, so informative!!

[@stephenkamps8925]

This information had me thinking "what do parents do to kids like Rosemary today?"

[@daltonpotcovaspence6543]

No I wasn’t aware of rosemaries situation until to day. This is a very heart rending situation.

[@leesacoles9154]

What a sad sad story. 💔

[@cymtk]

This is such a good presentation

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

I really appreciate you saying that!

[@smokymountaingirl]

I knew of this story.. just heartbreaking and devastating for Rosemary. I know she's in heaven and has a redeemed body and brain. She will have an eternity of being free of the maladies that affected her here on Earth. As far as her Father is concerned .... makes me sick to my stomach what he did without even discussing with his wife. I have a brother with Downs and we fought tooth and nail for him during his formative years (kids trying to bully and belittle him) I give my Mother all the praise in the world for taking care of him when the Dr's told her to put him in an institution (he was born in 1970) bc they said he would be in a vegetable state for his entire life. My Mother had 8 children at this time and her husband was dying of Cancer but she took my brother home and she worked with him for years getting him to finally walk, potty trained, and even able to feed and dress himself. He can't speak legibly but he can understand what we say to him and he is our joy in our family!! Im so thankful my Mother didn't take the easy way out like the Kennedy's did. We weren't rich nor were we a up and coming political family and for that Im so thankful!! Thanks for sharing this story to the younger generation who prob never knew about Rosemary and thanks for doing it with such grace and beauty in describing Rosemary before her lobotomy. She had a chance of a good life and her Father took that from her. Just sickening to me!!

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

Thank you for sharing your story - it’s incredibly moving and I enjoyed reading it! I’m so happy your brother has a loving and supportive family. Your mother is a strong woman. 💛

[@joyciejd9673]

OMG how horrific a birth for Mrs. Kennedy and little Rosemary. Such a tragic story. May they rest in peace

[@larissabrglum3856]

This is one of the most heartbreaking stories I've ever heard

[@TheKayc136]

I live in England, and though at school the Kennedys were discussed,I had never heard of Rosemary. My dad was born in 1925 snd I remember him telling me how sad that what they called "wayward" girls were locked away in the local " mental " hospital as they called it, or sent to Magdalene Covents. Some were simply unmarried mothers but that was enough for wealthy families to have them sectioned and put away to save disgrace on the family. He said there were many young girls from the village still in those institutions as once they adapted to the life it was considered too cruel ( and probably too much effort) to get them back into society. My own grandmother was put into a convent laundry as a young teenager. It was the end of WW1, her brothers and her dad were away fighting. Her sisters died from TB and her mum from influenza. She had no where to go so put in the convent. She said how terrible the conditions were. Many girls were unmarried mothers or simply very spirited. The Magdalene Sisters film totally reenacts many of the stories she told us. Her brother came back from fighting and had a hell of a job getting her out. In the end he marched in one day, grabbed her hand and said, "You are leaving with me" My heart aches for Rosemary, she was so beautiful. She couldn't have been that disabled or the Kennedys woukd never have let her meet the King and Queen. It truly is another Kennedy tragedy 😢

[@beminem]

holy shit it’s so crazy this was less than 100 years ago

[@Parakeetfriend4215]

This has me outraged! She was coming "at the wrong time" so the nurse just crushed her skull??!!! WTH!!! Then of course she had trouble in learning, she had brain damage from the trauma of a crushed skull and no one bothered to teach her at home and year round school her to help her "catch up"! They traumatised her at every place when she was just starting to get somewhere and it was "always her fault". I am livid, outraged😡 It wasn't like they didn't have money to home school her. I have never helped a human give birth and I would have helped Rose deliever Rosemary rather than crush the baby's skull. Oy vey, just evil. The labotamy is unconsciencable, dispicable, wicked and vile!!! THe frontal lobe is where all of the higher learning supposedly is. They basically went from vile to murder. Satanists! Satanists! That's what they are, who else would do such vile demonic things against another human being and completely without anyone's consent, esp. not the person that this devilery/torture was preformed on. 😤😡😡😡😤😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬

[@maureengrosenbach6592]

If her skull was crushed, she should have been worse than mentally ill.

[@tesssanderlin6904]

How horrible. My daughter is autistic. Brain injury and severe seizure disorder. My only family. Praise God for everyday she is here. Would never do such a thing. There is more will not discuss.

[@sandradee8880]

Every time I see that beautiful face and smile makes me so mad they rob her life. While they lived a life people could only dream of. While she shut up away in darkness

[@nancy234ful]

Rosemary it saddens me. " mentle illness is not a shame" it's illness. My brother had illness he died.. I wasn't embarrassed of him .My father tried getting help he needed.. For Kennedy to outcast Rosemary because she's slow.. I had 3 children had learning disability. I prayed repeated Kindergarden it doesn't mean their dumb. Now one of twin is going to graduating next year at Full Sail PLEASE DONT DISQUALIFY YOUR CHILD BECAUSE OF MENTLE ILLNESS.. thank you for sharing.. keep praying .give them love. If nonone in family visiting SHAME on You.. She's beautiful Rosemary .. god is just rest in peace.. There is answers for mentle illness.. They have other hidden talent ..

[@katemaloney4296]

Rosemary wasn't mentally ill, she had brain damage from her traumatic birth.

[@nocturnalrecluse1216]

She wasn't mentally ill. She was a normal young lady who got snuffed by her sick parents.

[@Abbie-y3e]

Such beautiful person it such a shame that happen im so sorry i wish joe kennedy sr came up with a better plan god bless her

[@vkkv1158]

fantastic content, need some time for the videos to blow up! good luck

[@LectronCircuits]

Rosemary's condition nearly drove her to drinking, inspiring her to declare, "I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!" Cheers!

[@lauryntonio]

i think it says so much abt her siblings that they rallied for mental and physical disability rights after their father died im sure Rosemary grew up suffering both the standard and an amplified version of emotional neglect from her father - and to see that her siblings rise up means a lot to me in the end i think it also says something abt Joe but im fine leaving that part unsaid.

[@lhl9010]

they didn;t find or visit her, they acted out of guilt

[@lauryntonio]

@@lhl9010 why would they be compelled to do so if their father had been lying abt her whereabouts and well-being? lmfao use your head.

[@lhl9010]

@@lauryntonio don't need your attitude, to find out the truth instead of speculatoin and gossip

[@goclunker]

The Kennedys are terrible people. To do this, horrible.

[@malomama4750]

Not the whole family- mostly just joe

[@terra7066]

@@malomama4750 Yes , it is true , Johnny , Teddy , Nicy and the rest of bunch visited Rosemary regularly cause they missed her so much. The kennedys are and always were a bunch of Mafiosi , crime is and has always been around them.

[@debbiechrispen9033]

So sad... Rosemary was the prettiest of them all...

[@charlisays]

The absolute horror of doing this to a person against their will. Actually strapping them down and removing their personality and ability to function. Joe's shame for doing this is way worse than anything she was doing.

[@Heather-tj9ej]

Joe did get her a labotomy without Rose's consent or foreknowledge. The main doors of Saint Colleta were painted black at the original facility so that people could leave their disabled kids and not have to look behind due to all the stigma back in the day. They kept the primary facility open just so that the kids who grew up there could age into their senior years. It ended up being the last intermediate care facility in the state of Wisconsin. I loved my time working there

[@christinagiagni3578]

i don't get the part about why the doors were painted black

[@ellie.joy.cohencohen5097]

Joe Kennedy Senior was a creep. I'm glad that he was not my dad. He made a big mistake with that lobotomy. They should have had anger management classes. A lot of counseling The Kennedy Family had the money Sylvia Rose

[@laramauss1968]

the father was punished for it with loosing early in life three sons and one daughter! Imagine: You do have 9 beautiful kids, and due to your actions one gets severely handicapped, 2 sons die from an assessment in a political career that you had pushed them into and another one dies while serving in the army. Kathleen died in a airplane crash. You are left with only 3 healthy children 😢

[@Linda-pw8gx]

A truly sad story🙏

[@JudyRichardson-rw3cj]

I know times where different then, but Joe Kennedywas always a bad apple with no scruples & Rose sorry but you were just a social climber. Read up on how she treated Kathleen. So many levels of hypocrisy. Family should always come before money. Rosemary you're eternally beautiful❤️

[@dp1275]

I m surprised and happy to have discovered you while while searching for Winchester House. Your presentation is so eloquent and professional ; so easy to watch and listen to. No unnecessary words or repetition spoken. Gone is the ten minute “ hi guys, before I get into this subject I just wanna tell you guys about my day” followed by tangental delivery. Sounds harsh, i know but personally, I find it frustrating. You must have taken broadcasting or public speaking. That is a very sad story. Obviously the father was the patriarch who called the shots. Interesting that the family began to visit her only after he had died. Unfortunately it was the sign of the times coupled with his need for perfect children. The fact that more then one of his offspring fought for the rights of the disabled reflects their personal feelings about the treatment of her sister. So perhaps her life is responsible for the beginning of a healthy , empathic change for the better when it comes to people with cognitive and physical issues to be treated with some respect, making them more acceptable to their families. BTW ECT is one of the most effective treatments for refectory, severe depression. Still, there is nothing that helps everyone and it can have a variety of side effects, usually short term. DBS is a brain surgery that drills a hole in the head with patient awake. However, they r also given intravenous sedative to relax patient, plus freezing area. It s not painful. There are no nerves touched except for frozen skin layers. But yes, sounds horrific It has cured tremors from parkinsons and other illnesses. Currently they have finished research in Canada where magnetics are used to create a mild seizure without the Frankenstein zap ⚡️ of electricity. Unfortunately Canada did not approve to cover it s cost under our OHIP plan and people have to pay out of pocket. Depression and anxiety treatment has continued to progress but so many people are sadly left behind with no treatment that helps. I m going to follow you. That was really interesting

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

Thank you for the kind words! Much appreciated. I enjoyed reading your thoughts - very interesting to learn about the different forms of treatment out there!

[@bellsina7150]

I live close to St Collettas and it was well known that the Kennedy sister lived here. She had a big house across the street from the actual institution. She had her own private staff, etc. It is horrible what they did to her though. They sent her off to have a lobotomy. That's what they did. And then they put her in that place and forgot about her pretty much. People came throughout the years I know that Maria Shriver came to see her at one time, and some of the other Kennedy's. It was vacant for many years and we would go ghost hunting over here. It was a really creepy building inside and out. There was a cemetery right on their land. I worked out here for a while prior to it shutting down in the mid 90s. I'm not sure when Rosemary died but it was not that many years after I had worked there.

[@rosiedebevc1952]

This is the best story about RoseMary I am.very happy that Eunice and her husband started the Special Olympics for her sister RoseMary

[@ree68moy33]

AND Rose (Mother) was not told of the lobotomy until after surgery

[@pbb8916]

The Kennedy family needed to present themselves to the public as perfect- on every way. Purely politically driven. Joe had no love for anyone but his image---same for rose whi hid behind the Bible and her own perfect catholic mother image. Neither Joe or rose were good people in any sense. It was all image and politics for them, Joe wanted his eldest son Joe Jr to run and win the presidency - it would look bad to have an imperfect child. They were an Irish Boston catholic family, rose's father was mayor- they knew what they had to do to make their family the country's best and most successful political family-- there was no place in it for Rosemary and the terrors of her life with her mother and father. The convent Rosemary is located not far from here in Wisconsin. Surrounded by a tall stone wall, it's a very quiet place, as quiet as death for a 22 year old. Like Rosemary Kennedy. Just to make sure Rosemary causes no further trouble for the politically motivated Kennedys, she also was made to have a lobotomy. ROSE Kennedy knew all about it. That she was this saintly woman is a lie. Rose ran that house home and children, and whatever happened to them , Rose was the decision maker. Look what she put her imperfect daughter through just to garner sympathy and get her out of the way, silence her for good. Rose was the original mommy dearest.

[@karencarter8292]

The modern medicines were not that successful either. Modern medicine has a bad track record and has probably done more damage than any good..

[@lindacalderon6417]

Yep. The clot shot has injured hundreds of thousands

[@BLD426]

Hard to imagine a worse existence.

[@drophatinc]

Great work. I love the Kennedys. Eunice is my favorite. She was amazing!!

[@amypaul5886]

Was never aeate of this story made me cry simce I raised 5 of my own kids with different handicaps but loved them all despite it all.

[@kimberlyjaramillo8955]

I had no idea about her story. I was baffled how the negligence of the nurse had caused the trauma to the baby from the start. I have to wonder if that's what happen to alot of children with the same challenges. I was thinking that long before now, I just never researched it. Don't trust anyone, doctors, nurses.

[@christinablakeman556]

How terribly sad

[@isabelle8836]

I heard of rRsemary. She was the most prettiest Kennedy sister. What her father chose to do to her lobotomy was awful. He just hid her away because of image. Her siblings had no idea until years alter. I think the family was cursed because of how the father treated Rosemary

[@LouLa-Lyn]

Why did the Kennedys wait until the father died to bring her back to the family? To protect him from getting aware what a monster he is?

[@HORSEYANIME2024]

Rip all the people whom were forced to have a lobotomy but whose lives were changed in a horrible way

[@Orpilorp]

Thank you for telling this important story. It could help others in so many ways. My brother had depression, and went through various treatments. He also tried Electric Shock therapy and it did more harm than good. I always thought if he could come with us out on our acreage, do good physical work, which he loved, and had a high protein/fat diet with no sugar he would have done much better. The brain needs vit. D., and I'm certain he was addicted to sugar. He died too young from a prescription drug interaction.

[@messpilo]

Did they ask her if she wanted to have lobotomy???

[@nancycottone2155]

If it's true that she never forgot her family, makes me wonder how she reacted when told that Joe Jr, Jack , Kick and Bobby were gone

[@karlalaw9337]

This is so interesting!

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

Glad you enjoyed the video, Karla! 💛

[@hussainanoordeen5754]

I cant believe this monstrous operation was ACTUALLY ALLOWED IN ANY COUNTRY.

[@lindacalderon6417]

The same thing will be said of "gender reassignment surgery"

[@pennymorson9475]

I hope the lord dealt with these people that was touching this poor girl

[@debrajordan4355]

I’ve known about this for a long time and granted the change in times were different such a terrible story.

[@eleanorjaya4706]

How so so sad. They gave her all the materialistic best yet no one ever went to see her not even her mother. Imagine having your head drilled with no meds to relieve your pain. This so abuse by far & those dr’s should have lost their license. You can say for sure the Kennedy’s were cursed.

[@admirallily]

How tragic. Turned into almost a vegetable all for the family’s fear of loss of public and financial aspirations.

[@marywells1197]

This is so sad. At the one school Rosemary was having really good progress and then to have a lobotomy. It's like everything she worked for was wiped away!

[@amypaul5886]

Hidden away how wrong was this. Total abadonment. So very shameful. One of their dirty little secrets I think.

[@jcook2433]

I knew the story. My own mother was given many shock treatments and many other things that were not warranted. She was brave and only treated this way to be hushed. She did have issues but later, when I was fifteen and her only protector, I found biofeedback which was a miracle for her. Art therapy built her esteem and she was so talented. It isn’t always mental illness. Sometimes it is a reaction to a cruel world. She maintained very well until she was exposed to the same people who had made her withdraw to begin with. To this day they do not accept or acknowledge , perhaps do not recognize, they played a part in her untimely death. I was with her at the end and I went on to fight for the rights of others. Bravo to the Kennedy children who made it easier for me to fight too. My heart still breaks for all. I carry her scars for her now. Rosemary and so many more did not deserve to be pushed behind closed doors or dark places. The road to H… is paved with good intentions. We all make mistakes but…..decisions should be made with respect and love. I wonder if her Dad knew the details of the surgery before he allowed it. Surely not?

[@l.janecliftonrozell4707]

Another disappointment in the Kennedys Why couldn’t they just leave her alone and let her be who she was & do what she wanted The old Kennedys were ashamed of her Over the years I’ve learned the Kennedys where Frauds and very hurtful people what a sad story RIP sweet Rosemary❤

[@cerhn]

My dad got electroshock therapy and there was something missing. He couldn't remember things after and I routinely beat him (as a kid) at chess games.

[@marypresley9874]

N eeas very mentally ill and begged us to take him in and let him have a frontal lobotomy. I just couldn't let him do this. He ended up taking his life to make the voices stop

[@Valeriamtzp]

Apparently doctors were aware they cut in the wrong place during the "procedure", they cut an artery so she had an hemorrhagic stroke, that's why she couldn't move or speak after, 6 years before Joe sr. died he suffered a stroke and I think he was in a wheelchair, I hope he suffered after he had the stroke so he would know a small part of what he caused his own daughter, even after years of physical and speech therapy she could never even be what he was after his stroke, truly it breaks my heart

[@ceanti]

The Kennedy curse we all heard about growing up....maybe how they treated her was the seed...

[@ArmchairInvestigator]

I would actually love to do a deep dive on The Kennedy Curse at some point!

[@matthewotremba9230]

You are Awesome Like a mix of Ginger and Mary Ann That I enjoy listening to Rock On

[@outwest6338]

There is a terrible price to be paid for being different. I know.

[@lorrainemerry8661]

This is so sad

[@bullseye2694]

I use to do mirror writing it was one of my learning disabilities. To get me out of it I started writing left handed

[@hendrikasunqrout571]

This made me cry, damn! Their image was more important to them than their own blood. That may be the reason karma catches up with them way too often to be a coincidence. IMO they are cursed.

[@cko8643]

You treat a person like an animal, they become a wild animal. So sad.

[@chrislim7615]

Awwee Rosemary was beautiful:RIP*

[@chrismcevoy2503]

My disability Spina Bifida was caused by my father’s exposure to Agent Orange when he was in Vietnam.

[@sissyrayself7508]

My disability was caused by childhood immunizations.