The Trinity Simplified

Here's my full teaching on the Trinity and responses to challenges from JWs and others who reject the doctrine of the Trinity. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmHGfX6qh5qenKc
My website BibleThinker.org

[@MikeWinger]

Here's my full teaching on the Trinity and responses to challenges from JWs and others who reject the doctrine of the Trinity. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmHGfX6qh5qenKc

[@eliasmanirambona3949]

“Three persons in one” your still a Mormon mike. Can you find what your saying is true or not? Where in the book does it says a person? God is a spirit mike not a person. Recheck your studies, you quote a lot of false teachers (scholars) and not the Bible

[@eliasmanirambona3949]

God never said his a trinity, why we making things up?

[@EGGZ1983]

​@@eliasmanirambona3949 jesus was a person

[@eliasmanirambona3949]

@@EGGZ1983 correct, but the question is, is he now a person?

[@eliasmanirambona3949]

@@EGGZ1983 Is the holy spirit a person? The father is he a person?

[@geef0813]

I believe the trinity by faith, it it’s a tough one to actually wrap your head around literally. I’ve had to choose faith over feelings in this one for sure.

[@geef0813]

@@Eben_Haezer I appreciate the advice but I trust Heiser about as far as I can throw him. He’s got some interesting ideas, and I agree with many, but I just don’t trust him for something this deep.

[@aeronblitz9347]

The Trinity is 3 Persons who are each 100% GOD, not part of GOD and not three separate gods, but the Three Persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit are One GOD. Hope that helps, GOD bless you!

[@geef0813]

@@aeronblitz9347 that’s actually the confusing part. Lol.

[@aeronblitz9347]

@@geef0813 Yeah lol. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit each are GOD but they are not each other.

[@geef0813]

@@aeronblitz9347 I believe it I just can’t understand it. Lol

[@aasthab7524]

Let me share something with everyone. Just 2 nights ago, I was praying with my younger brother and he said " I pray to Father in the name of Jesus , earlier i used to pray only to Jesus. " And I wanted to make him understand the trinity but I myself was confused. So I prayed to God that teach me what it means, I even said in my prayer that the next literature or video i stumble upon on internet, I will take that as though you are speaking with me. And behold the glory of God🙌🏼 He is so so close to us that he longs to teach us his ways. I am so grateful to God and want to encourage everyone reading this that whatever you wish to learn about God, whatever area you are struggling with, just ask God to teach you the right thing and he will! All the glory to God alone🙌🏼♥️

[@nikokapanen82]

And He lead you to this video that explains the trinity the right way. There are plenty of other videos that rejects the trinity and claims that Father is the only true God and Jesus is not God but this is false. God is triune in His eternal nature.

[@BrandonSezHi]

Also don’t neglect the Holy Ghost 🕊️✝️

[@dougdaniel9196]

There is no Trinity of three persons. It's one person with three parts. If you are worshipping a god who is a Trinity then you are deceived. It is the God head which is described in 1 John 5:7 KJV 1 John 5:7 King James Version 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

[@nikokapanen82]

@@dougdaniel9196 You are teaching modalism and that is heresy.

[@dougdaniel9196]

@@nikokapanen82 I m not teaching modalism but Godhead which is scriptural. Romans 1:20 King James Version 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

[@WDWJP30]

Coming out from Mormonism years ago, the trinity was very hard for me to understand. These types of videos helped a lot. It really clicked for me when I read 'Seeking Allah, Finding Jesus' - I highly recommend this book.

[@niiphoart8823]

Great read. Loved Nabeel

[@danielzhu1463]

I miss Nabeel 😢

[@thisisjudith]

I miss Nabeel, he was such a faithful follower of Christ

[@dougdaniel9196]

Trinity is satanic. It's called the God head and it's not the same thing.

[@danielzhu1463]

@@dougdaniel9196 If you read the Bible as a whole and not pick verses out of context, you'll see the trinity is very much supported.

[@aarongothier2650]

I do think it's important to know that all three are fully God. Not Partialism. (Just putting this here for a little bit more information not saying Mike is promoting this at all)

[@Remembering1453]

Yes

[@PreachingJesus]

And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. John 17:3 do you ever wonder why it doesn't say, "that they might know US the one true God, and also the Holy Spirit?"

[@aarongothier2650]

@Sean Scott because God is 1 being. Also, the Holy Spirit is part of the Trinity as well. Tbh this aspect of God is beyond our brains ability to comprehend, but nonetheless true

[@PreachingJesus]

@@aarongothier2650 you didn't really answer my question.

[@aarongothier2650]

@Sean Scott oh sorry. I guess I'm confused by the question. Are you saying Jesus isn't God?

[@ariexiro573]

I have been praying for the Lord to get me clear about the Trinity. Then I came across this video. Praise the Lord!

[@michaelbrickley2443]

Study and contemplate but don’t let yourself go crazy. Mike is a great teacher, by the way, and there is little I disagree with regarding doctrine. Faith is what saves so keep fanning the flames

[@burner5673]

I see it like this: I can speak hello aloud, I can speak it in my head, and I can write it down. All have the same meaning and come from the same entity (myself) yet are three channels of communication 😁 This was, I believe, revealed to me by God after a testing week. I prayed to him and spoke my mind and as he is in the room with me as I believe him to be listening at all times. This thought was the result of hardship but by gods grace he revealed!

[@henreeeef3214]

The Bible makes it clearer. Father/son. Two different persons. Simple.

[@janbarstow]

Helpful explanation. The best explanation I’ve found is Nabeel Qureshi’s about the Trinity. He walks through it with all the verses and WOW, it makes sense!!!

[@gcinumuzigola4797]

Trinity is a man-made doctrine The bible clearly states hear oh israel the Lord our God is one There is no trinity but one God in the bible

[@andrewgardner9688]

@@gcinumuzigola4797 You really don’t get it do you? He literally says there are 3 person and one god. Here’s how it is to help you understand even more. God in Heaven is the father YHWH. God on earth is the word YHWH. The Holy Spirit is also YHWH. The father is the mind of YHWH. The Son aka Jesus is the voice and word of YHWH personified. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of YHWH personified. They all share one identity which is YHWH and YHWH is God.

[@Zapada123]

1 God 3 persons, this verse just proves the trinity

[@SpielbergMichael]

In case anyone finds this helpful or is interested in praying for our Christian ministries/leaders/shepherds/evangelists/apologists like Mike Winger: 16 prayer points you can pray for them: 1 You can pray that they will always have a good walk with God (that they will not forget their first love), that God will bless their daily private Bible reading and prayer life, and that they will have good sound doctrine. 2 You can pray that they will be full of the Holy Spirit and that God will bless their ministries so that many more people will come to faith in Jesus for God’s glory, and that they will feed God’s sheep and disciple them properly. 3 You can pray that they will be humble, that they will remember how many Christian leaders in the past have fallen, and that they will have a very healthy fear of the Lord. 4 You can pray that God will protect them and the ministry God has given them from: Pride Love of fame Love of money Desire for the approval of people rather than the approval of God Being worried about offending people Compromising God’s Word Sexual temptation Demonic attacks Persecution (from outside the Church and inside the Church) 5 You can pray for their PHYSICAL HEALTH and that God will heal all their health problems. 6 You can pray for their MENTAL HEALTH. Pastors and Christian workers often have stress and battle discouragement and depression. Please God touch them and heal them of all mental and emotional problems and distress. They can also sometimes be hurt by the people they serve or by other Christian leaders - so we can pray that this won’t happen but that if it does that God will heal these wounds and strengthen His servants to forgive each other and that God will restore unity for His Glory. 7 You can pray that God will bless and protect their families. Satan often attacks Christian workers by attacking their loved ones. So you can pray that their family members will all have a good walk with God, have good sound doctrine, that God will protect them all from demonic attacks, that God will also bless and protect their physical and mental health, heal them of all infirmities, and that God will bless all their family relationships so that there is peace and love in their families. You can pray that God especially blesses and protects all areas and parts of their marriages, so that they will not be tempted to look elsewhere. Also please God bless their marriages especially so that they can be a model and example for other Christians. 8 You can pray that God will abundantly bless and protect the finances of the ministries and also the personal finances of God’s servants (especially finances needed for health or medical expenses). You can pray that they always have abundant finances so that they can always do every good work God wants them to do. 9 You can pray that God blesses and protects the relationships between Christian co-workers in ministries - so that no jealousy or strife or bitterness takes root. That they will all have Christian unity and that their focus will be on God getting all the glory and rejoice in any and all work for God. 10 You can pray that God prevents any technical or logistical or legal or any type of problems for their ministry, but if they have any such issues/problems that God will help them resolve/fix and totally solve and remove these problems. 11 If it’s an internet (e.g. KZbin) ministry you can pray that God will help the videos spread on those platforms and get many views and that God will use the videos to bring many people to repentance and faith in Jesus. 12 You can pray that God will help Christian leaders be good shepherds of Jesus’ sheep and continue to feed Jesus’ sheep, and that they will not only convert people, but also disciple new converts so that they can grow and develop and mature in a healthy and supported way. 13 You can pray that God will give them the heart of a servant. 14 You can pray that God gives them wisdom and helps them and powerfully guides them when making all decisions and plans. 15 You can pray that if they make mistakes or sin that God will grant them humility and repentance and restore them. 16 You can pray that more Christians will pray consistently for Christian leaders/pastors/shepherds/workers/ministries. *********************** You could make a list of pastors/ministries you want to support and pray for them regularly. Jesus said: “ when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.” Matthew 6:6

[@SpielbergMichael]

14 more BIBLICAL prayer points for praying for the LOST: Jesus and Paul actually told us specifically what to pray for on several occasions: 1 “pray for us that the word of the Lord will spread rapidly and be glorified” 2 Thessalonians 3:1 ------- 2 Jesus said we should pray for more labourers. "Then Jesus said to his disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore PRAY earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest.”" Matthew 9:37-38 Jesus said: “The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. Therefore PRAT earnestly to the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into his harvest." Luke 10:2 ------- 3 We can pray for more opportunities to share the Gospel, and for God to open more doors for effective work: "pray for us, too, that God may open a door for our message, so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ, for which I am in chains." Colossians 4:3 “because a great door for effective work has opened to me” 1 Corinthians 16:9 ------------------------- 4 We can pray that God will give us all the right words to say. "Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel," Ephesians 6:19 ------- 5 We can pray that God will give all Christians the boldness to share the gospel. "Lord... grant to your servants to continue to speak your word with all boldness... And when they had prayed... they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness." Acts 4:29-31 ------------------------ 6 We can pray that Christians will speak boldly RELYING ON THE LORD: “they spent a long time there speaking boldly with reliance upon the Lord” Acts 14:3 ------------- 7 We can pray for God to draw more people to Jesus and to grant more people to come to Jesus. Jesus said: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them" John 6:44 Jesus said: “No one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” John 6:65 -------------------------- 8 We can pray that God will REVEAL the reality and truth about Jesus to more people. "Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not REVEALED to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in Heaven." Matthew 16:16-17 "At that time Jesus said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and REVEALED them to little children." Matthew 11:25 --------------------------- 9 We can pray that God will teach more people. Jesus said: "It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him COMES TO ME." John 6:45 -------------------------- 10 We can pray that God will open more hearts to attend to His message. "The Lord opened her heart to attend to the things being spoken by Paul." Acts 16:14 ------------------------- 11 We can pray that God will open more eyes to see and open ears to hear so that they would turn to God and God would heal them. Jesus said: "I send thee (Paul), TO OPEN THEIR EYES, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." Acts 26:17-18 “while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand….. OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT SEE WITH THEIR EYES, HEAR WITH THEIR EARS, UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART, AND RETURN, AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.’ But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear.” Matthew 13:13…16 “The hearing ear and the seeing eye, The Lord has made both of them.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭20:12‬ “Yet to this day the Lord has not given you a heart to know, nor eyes to see, nor ears to hear.” ‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭29:4‬ ---------- 12 We can pray that God in his mercy and generosity will bring more prisoners out of spiritual dungeon into the freedom and light of Jesus Christ. “proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free.” Luke 4:18 “a light to the nations, To open blind eyes, To bring out prisoners from the dungeon And those who dwell in darkness from the prison.” Isaiah 42:7 ---------- 13 We can pray that God will grant more people repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth: “in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth” 2 Timothy 2:25 --------- 14 We can pray that new converts/disciples will find/be guided to/or have guided to them good Christian teachers who can help to disciple them correctly in the way, so that they can mature as God wants them to: just as God provided Philip to teach the Ethiopian so that the Ethiopian could understand what God wanted him to understand in Acts 8:26-40, or as God provided Priscilla and Aquila to teach Apollos in Acts 18:24-26 or as God provided Paul to some disciples in Ephesus who lacked knowledge in Acts 19:1-5 AND: We can rejoice, thank and praise God in our prayers for His Holy Spirit who guides all genuine new converts/disciples into all truth: “when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL THE TRUTH; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.” John 16:13-14 --------- 15 We can pray that we will have more of God's love in our hearts for the lost so that we will not be afraid to share the Gospel, but that God's love in us will override any fears and make it automatic that we share the gospel in love. If there was a frozen lake, you wouldn't want to go swimming in it. But if a small child fell in, you would automatically dive in to save them. We can pray for love that will cause us to act. ------------------------- "Devote yourselves to prayer, being watchful and thankful." Colossians 4:2 Jesus told us multiple times throughout Scripture to watch and pray always.

[@derickwhitson2684]

Amen thank you @SpielbergMichael for these prayer points and the time you spent typing these out God bless you abundantly

[@SpielbergMichael]

@@derickwhitson2684 Thank you for your kind words. May God bless you and your loved ones abundantly too!

[@derickwhitson2684]

@@SpielbergMichael for sure and l receive in Jesus name!

[@bettymiller7731]

Thank you for this. So complete and contains everything. God 🙏 Bless You 💕💜

[@robertdouglas8895]

The problem is leaving ourselves out of the unity and it includes all of us. "20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@memowilliam9889 We left God as prodigal sons. That was a correction Jesus made to the Genesis story. God didn't kick us out, but we think he is mad at us for leaving, still. We made up guilt, fear, anger, sin, death. God's inheritance is love, truth and eternal life. The road back is made up of changing our false ideas. It's a lifelong process, not a ceremony we go through being born again. We return to knowing we are spirit, all one with God instead of bodies separate from each other and God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. No sacrifice can do that for us. Sacrifice or self-punishment is what we think ends our guilt. our separation from God. Jesus returned from thinking God has forsaken him on the cross through forgiveness. "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love." As spirit, we are still as God created us. The world we are on but not of is not who we are.If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent."

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@memowilliam9889 I don't react to sarcasm.

[@deandreofficial]

This is my exact problem with the trinity. It holds a low view of humanity and does not include us into the unity that Jesus came to offer to us

[@robertdouglas8895]

@@deandreofficial If you are talking about the view that humans have of the trinity, you are including what people think about themselves. Guilt makes people think they are sinners who are separate and opposed to God. So they project that false idea onto the Trinity as a mirror. They think they deserve punishment and some of that is in the Bible as well. But there is is writing that is opposed to those ideas. With forgiveness, we know we are all innocent. As created to be love, punishment has no place in our relationship with God. Sacrifice is punishment, which is not needed at all with mercy. . "If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent." There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

[@deandreofficial]

@@robertdouglas8895 Amen! What makes the doctrine worse is Christians saying it’s a salvation issue. When there is no scripture that says that we must believe “Jesus is God”. He is the messiah, the Son of God and the savior of all humanity. Trinitarians spend a lot of time calling Jesus something that he never called himself

[@lizpetruzzi7700]

So good! I’m listening to the full teaching for the third time, taking detailed notes for a study guide. I cannot tell you how often this comes up when in discussion with non believers….they are prepared with challenges - I’ve been caught off guard too many times! Thank you for this important teaching equipping the saints to be prepared and use every opportunity for the glory of God🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@phatan]

It never made any sense and never will.

[@Aron-my6gy]

Yes ofcourse it's like trying to fit the entire sea in a small paper cup

[@user-ux8lq5fo7b]

no.. it's because it is full of contradictions since it's man-made not from almighty God the creator of everything the ever-lasting and all-Powerful Allah@@Aron-my6gy

[@mastersamrayy10]

@@user-ux8lq5fo7bIslam is blasphemy and Muhammad was a false prophet. Stay mad, Abdool.

[@cxarhomell5867]

Three distinct persons in one divine God makes sense. You just need time to understand it and to properly explain it to other people. I struggled with this too until I realized its essence.

[@cxarhomell5867]

​@@user-ux8lq5fo7b"allah" is a false being. There is only our Lord and Savior, not "allah".

[@Daniel-deMerrivale]

I seek out these lessons and am rewarded. Thanks again Mike.

[@TruthAboveAll08]

Mike Winger! Bless your heart ❤️ I've been a Christian my entire adult life, admittedly a lousy one for a couple decades, but steadily growing thru today. I've never really been able to fully grasp the FACTUAL TRINITY, even while fully believing the truth of God Three-in-One, but with this little short, I finally have bells going off! The part that hit was the UNITY. ❤ Yes! Thank you, and I'm now off to watch your fuller teaching on it. God bless!

[@laccess911]

Here are some questions: 1. According to the trinity, God is the father + Jesus + the Holy Spirit. God is 3in1, not 1in1 or 2in1. The Bible explicitly states that the father created Jesus. So where was the holy trinity before Jesus was created and when he died? Without Jesus, God cannot be in 3in1. 2. Can you name just ONE church father from the first 3 centuries who EXPLICITLY stated God is “the father + Jesus + the Holy Spirit? 3. During the council of Nicaea, in 325, Christians scholars debated whether The father is God, or both Jesus and the father are God. Where was the Holy Spirit back then? If you have no answers to the questions, then the holy trinity as you know it (God = the father + Jesus + the Holy Spirit), has nothing to do with what Jesus really preached.

[@Spookweave]

Christian teaching states that Christ is "ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN" in the Father, but was NEVER created. Confused? He's God. You're supposed to. To answer your second question: Theophilus of Antioch is the earliest Church father documented to have used the word "Trinity" to refer to God. Some of the evidence used to support an early belief in the Trinity are triadic statements (referring to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) from the New Testament and the Church Fathers. Source:Wikipedia: Trinitarianism in the Church Fathers And your final question: the debates in question were specifically on the Trinity, and weather Jesus really was THE SON. They did not forget the Spirit, rest assured, the debate was about THE SON. And here is some Trinity in the Bible, in the form of Matthew 3:16-17 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; and behold, a voice from the heavens said, "this is My son, in whom I am well pleased." If you have any other questions, let me know! God bless ☦️

[@laccess911]

@@Spookweave 1. Which verse in the bible EXPLICITLY states Jesus is ETERNALLY begotten? 2. When has Theophilus EXPLICITLY stated God is "the father + Jesus + the Holy spirit"? Post a quote from Theophilus for us to read. 3. Concerning my last question, please prove that the council of Nicaea was about the belief that God is Jesus + the father + the holy trinity. Post your evidence from the source, not your interpretation. The Council of Nicea was convened in order to vote on "the divinity of Jesus". It has nothing to do with what modern Christians believe.

[@Spookweave]

@@laccess911 I see where this is going. You're not going to accept what I say no matter what I say are you? I've had too many debates where I'm expect to clarify my points unto infinity and never actually be listened to. I told you the teachings of the church. I do not know an exact verse. Go talk to a priest.

[@laccess911]

@@Spookweave Would you accept a statement without evidence? All the documents historians and theologists have at hand prove that the trinity "as you understand it" was not what Christians believed in. Why would you ignore the facts and accept interpretations? A priest is a human being like you and I. A priest's interpretations are not the truth because truth is free from assumptions. Back in the days, first century, some Christians did not even believe Jesus was crucified. You can read the seven letters of Saint Ignatius of Antioch.

[@sharonloomis5264]

A pastor, one time, said that God is like a family name.

[@justingary5322]

AMEN brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless ya brother Mike Winger MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE ⛄🎄❤️

[@jasonnoble7302]

Thank you 🎉

[@aeronblitz9347]

Amen. The Trinity is also not each Person being 1/3 of GOD, but instead each Person is fully and completely, 100% GOD possessing all the attributes of GOD.

[@IAmisMaster]

The Scriptures literally tell us Jesus did not possess the perfect omniscience of the Father in Matthew 24:36, nor does He possess aseity since He receives life and is contingent on His Father (John 5:19 and 5:26). So your Augustinian model of the Trinity falls apart while the monarchichal trinitarian model of the ante-nicene church and Nicene Creed remains intact.

[@Remembering1453]

​@Thomas B exactly

[@Remembering1453]

​@@IAmisMaster No you are mistaken. You have to understand that jesus emptied himself in order to be fully man and restricted his abilities as God just like philippians 2 say: 7 but [a]emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and [b]being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death [c]on a cross. 9 Also there are many ocassiosn where christ claims to be God just like mark 14 or John 8

[@Remembering1453]

​@@IAmisMaster if jesus its not fully God. Then you are claiming salvation to a created creature. And that is blasphemy

[@IAmisMaster]

@@Remembering1453 First off, King Crimson is the best band of all time, so kudos for good taste in music. Second, you don't understand the nuance that the early church understood about Christ's divinity and the Trinity. I am absolutely not saying Christ is a created creature. Philo, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen, Eusebius etc. all plainly taught Christ was begotten of the Father before creation, and therefore, was neither created nor uncreated, but a third category: begotten. So your attempt to box me into Arianism does not work. And no one is saying Christ is not "fully God" in the sense that Christ can be said to have the same exact divine nature His Father has and is given all divine power by the Father. But I am saying Christ is not the Father, who alone is the One God and alone has all aseity and omniscience of Himself. That's what the Bible teaches and all ante-nicence Christians believed. Third is a clarification. Are you saying Philippians 2 teaches Christ did not possess omniscience while on earth only, but when ascended, he regains all those attributes?

[@sniper_king8986]

One question What?

[@MarioGabrielJ02]

Christian’s are the most stupid that exist

[@MubarakAli-ix3xk]

The trinity was the teaching of Paul. Jesus pbuh never mention the trinity. The trinity is never mentioned in the Bible.

[@user-uj7di3hp8m]

The trinity was mentioned in the bible Mathew 28:19

[@MubarakAli-ix3xk]

@@user-uj7di3hp8m Did you not read what I wrote??? The TRINITY is only mentioned in the New Testament, and it was written by Paul, Paul was NOT alive during the time of Jesus(PBUH). Where in the Old Testament does it ever mention the word TRINITY???

[@user-uj7di3hp8m]

@MubarakAli-ix3xk if you read Genesis 1:26 it specifies a plural God it's not God and try searching what Elohim means

[@MubarakAli-ix3xk]

@@user-uj7di3hp8m In Hebrew, there are 2 kinds of plural. Plural of numbers, and plural of respect. Elohim in Hebrew means sign of respect. Ask any Jew, they will say Elohim does not mean Gods, but rather it means a sign of respect to God. Genesis 1:1 says “ In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”. It doesn’t say Gods created the heavens and the earth. El means God, and ohim means plural of respect.

[@user-uj7di3hp8m]

@MubarakAli-ix3xk Elohim is a plural noun used to convey a singular God, we don't say God's but when we refer to God we refer to Elohim as something more than one....like Genesis 1:2 the spirit of God ,Judges 14:6 the spirit of the lord empowers Samson, 1 Samuel 16:13 the spirit of the lord comes to David and is annoited by Samuel to be King ....all this verses points out the holy spirit

[@misharsa]

I once had a vision of the Trinity: God the Father behind like a solid golden mountain that was the foundation of everything. In front of Him was Jesus in human form with a very expressive figure. In front of Him, the Holy Spirit also in human form but white, transparent and radiant. And if I looked from the side I could see 3 individuals but from the front I could see a 3 in 1 God with all 3 individual characteristics. It was good for me so I could understand better. ♡

[@BrandonE-ri4km]

How is this not Tritheism?

[@cxarhomell5867]

​@@BrandonE-ri4kmBecause the trinity does not say that God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost are all different and separate gods with different messages. They all preach the same message. They are all God and make up God in essence.

[@beefmcq7611]

I love how you don’t ask for likes and subscribers. Thank you for showing people a true Christian.

[@magadaleneiris1928]

God bless you for sharing the truth to the lost world.

[@GabeM972]

The Father, The Son (The Word) & The Holy Spirit are all working in Unison at the same time. The Father works, The Son works and The Holy Spirit works. People criticize us Trinitarians but we can only comprehend what The Author has revealed to us. We only know in part as Paul says in 1st Corinthians, God has revealed through His Word that we should baptize in The Name of The Father and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit.

[@christian11111]

Iv always explained it as similar to how our body soul and mind all work together and are me. All are distinct from one another, having their own will/desires, as well as their own intended responsibilities and functions. However distinct they are from one another they are all me, my mind is me, my body is me, and my soul is me. I am not me without one of the three parts, however they do or can function independent of the others. Hopefully that makes some sense lol

[@penguinusrex]

I think this is close. The difference is that where the body/mind/soul are not necessarily all in agreement, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are always in agreement at all times. There is never anything discordant about them.

[@waitstill7091]

4Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one. Deuteronomy 6:4

[@christian11111]

@@penguinusrex yes good point, and that agrees with the concept that Christ and the spirit submit their will to the fathers. Pointing out they do have their own will but as you rightly note their will all agree due to the hierarchy followed by them. I guess just another example of how our sinful and corrupt bodies muddy the water of Gods design.

[@efootballmania]

​@@penguinusrex Does Trinity an Excuse For Idolatry? • Trinitarian - Father, Son, and Holy Spirit • Babylonian - Nimrod, Simeramus, and Tammuz • Ancient Egypt - Osiris, Isis, and Horus • Ancient Meccans - Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat • Greek mythology - Zeus, Poseidon, and Adonis • Ancient Roman - Jupiter, Juno, and Minerva • Hinduism - Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva • Human sacrifice ( Jesus's crucifixion) is paganistic • You shall have no other gods before me ( God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit ) • You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything ( statues and images ) • You shall not bow down to them or worship them; ( statues and images ) 7 Pagans Festival • Christmas. ( Sol Invictus, the Unconquered Sun ) • New Year's Day. ( Roman god; Janus ) • Easter. ( Etruscan mother goddess ) • The Roman version of Halloween. ( memory of the Dead ) • May 1st - Labor Day. ( Goddess Maia ) • Epiphany or Three Kings Day. ( Goddess Diana ) • Saint John's Eve. ( Goddess Fortuna )

[@thomasburke9060]

@@christian11111 The wills of the Son and the Spirit are not different wills that submit to the Father's, but rather the will of the Son and of the Spirit is the same as that of the Father.

[@abdirahmaanmohamed1582]

That means each of them is just part God That doesn't make sense

[@abdirahmaanmohamed1582]

@@samronberhane8785 So God is not an Entity but characteristics that 3 guys Share 😂😂😂

[@Spookweave]

Nope. All three are FULLY God. I wish I could explain it better but there really is no easy way to understand it.

[@rahmanibrothers1017]

@@Spookweave then there will be 3 Gods if all three are fully God . Either u choose 3 or accept that God is a characteristic which 3 person shares

[@Spookweave]

@@rahmanibrothers1017 False dichotomy. There is ONE GOD. God is THREE PERSONS. He is not three gods. He is one God, made up of three persons, who are in complete agreement 100% of the time.

[@rahmanibrothers1017]

@@Spookweave can u define person ?

[@codeagent47]

So, can you worship god not Jesus then?

[@yakupdemir5016]

There is no end to the trinity. Holy spirit, holy father, holy aunt, holy uncle, holy grandmother, holy cousin, such as the limit that goes to infinity.... There is no idolatry in Islam, like a religion with three gods.

[@KingPingviini]

Trinity, as name suggest end in three. So no aunts or cousins.

[@leenieledejo6849]

Fake "Christians" like this man spend their time reading what other men say about God and Jesus instead of reading what's clearly written about who Jesus is on almost every page of the New Testament. And what Jesus himself says! ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

[@lmjames33]

So when Jesus was on the cross and said.... why has thou forsaken me. Who is he talking to, himself????

[@Wertyap69]

No, Jesus was talking to the Father.

[@magic00squirrel]

The thing that helped me most with the trinity was learning that the Hebrew word most often translates to God, Elohim, is actually a plural word, not a singular

[@jasonhutchins8481]

God bless you and this channel

[@schofrenzy3444]

When Jesus Got baptized by The father The son and The Holy Spirit or ghost - The father said this is my Son , And The spirit came down as a Dove 3=1 Eternal non created everlasting God 🙌✝️🕊️ it’s not complicated it’s just Uniquely beautiful

[@samgamaliel4749]

Amen. Praise the LORD. ✝️ Thank you dear brother. This one is the Best explanation of the Holy Trinity so far I know. Lot of love from Tamilnadu, South India. 🇮🇳

[@rjanjim]

Christians: God is only one but takes different forms and descends to Earth Pagan Hindus: God is only one but takes different forms and descends to Earth … Also Christians: Hindus are pagans and Christians believing in trinity are monotheists Make it make sense 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@belugabeluga8944]

​@@rjanjimhindu have 33 million gods 😂

[@dmisidia9359]

Joke of the centuries The word "Trinity" is nowhere mentioned in The holy bible.

[@andyehara]

Dummies ( I shouldn't be so harsh, but.....) Can't see how most likely Satan has used this as a toold to misguide people from the truth. All the contridictions in the new testament just shows how much early christians weren't capable of translating the bible. Matt 28:19 was manipulated. Luke 24:52 was added - proof as it doesn't exists in the codex sinaiticus. Matt, Mark, and Luke are different as far as Jesus going to Egypt and Nazareth. This was another trick by Satan as now, people have an excuse or reason to run away from Christianity. Where as the old testament pretty much coincides with the Tanakh and Torah.

[@Bxazh]

Lol also, not one verse says “God is tri-une” or “three persons”

[@andyehara]

@@Bxazh Those peopel are deceived. You ahve people like the content creator spreading a false paganistic doctine. It's sad beause peopel are believing this. 1 Tim 4 sheds some light on the matter. He knew this would happen.

[@dmisidia9359]

@@andyehara Jesus never taught the Trinity to His disciples. This doctrine was invented centuries later at the councils of Nicaea (325 AD) and Constantinople (381 AD) [1][2]. The New Testament, written by Jesus’s closest followers, does not mention the Trinity because early Christians did not believe in it [3]. If the Trinity wasn’t part of Jesus’s original teachings, then Christianity is built on fabricated doctrines. How can you trust a faith that distorts its founder's message? This fundamentally undermines the credibility of Christianity. [1] “The Nicene Creed,” The Council of Nicaea, 325 AD. [2] “The Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed,” The Council of Constantinople, 381 AD. [3] The New Testament writings, including the Gospels and the Epistles.

[@andyehara]

@@dmisidia9359 wait you are against the trinity and the divinity of Jesus?

[@somebodysomewhere2850]

Say: He is Allah, the One! Allah, the Eternal, the Absolute! He begets not, nor was He begotten; And there is none comparable unto Him. Respectfully, I just have to say for me as a Muslim trinity is something I don´t really wanna spend time on. We have a perfect explanation. No tricycle needed,

[@HikeRx]

If Christians are one with Christ does that mean we are God too? Perhaps John 17 can shed light on this and also the idea of trinity. John 17 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

[@BrandonSezHi]

I know we always say the Son is God but the Son is not the Father etc but what does this verse mean? Isaiah 9:6 “ For unto us a child born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. “ is this just another verse proving Jesus is God or that he is also the Father?

[@thomasburke9060]

For that verse, consider that Jesus is _our_ father because He is our creator who desires to gather us, His children, under His "wing", as a hen does her chicks. But He Himself has God as His Father. The Church Fathers are generally agreed that the God of revelation is chiefly Jesus Christ. What seems to follow from this is that we only know about Jesus' Father because He told us about Him. I point this out because I think part of the confusion here is in assuming that God as known "before Christ" was primarily Jesus' Father.

[@TheWillzy]

Jesus has a God before he came to earth... John 17:5 5 "So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." Philippians 2:6 6 "who, although he (Jesus)was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God." Jesus had a God while on earth (why would anything change?) John 8:42 42 Jesus said to them: “If God were YOUR Father, YOU would love me, for from God I came forth and am here. Neither have I come of my own initiative at all, but that One sent me forth." Notice Jesus speaks of God often, this title is always applied to our Father, and he never includes himself under that title. Jesus is always given the title Lord. 1Timothy 2:3-5 "This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 5 FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all." That word mediator, it means Jesus can't be God. You cannot be a mediator if you're one of the 2 parties with a grievance. This scripture is nonsense if Trinity is true. And Jesus has a God after he returns to heaven... 1 Peter 3:22 says Angels "were made subject to him." If Jesus were God almighty, equal to his Father, Angels would already automatically be subjected to him. Right? 1 Peter 3:22 22 He (Jesus) is at God’s right hand, (who's right hand?) for he went to heaven, and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him." Col 3:1 "go on seeking the things above, where the Christ is seated at the right hand of God." Right hand of who? GOD. Would anyone reading the Bible glean that Jesus is the same as his Father? No chance. The Truth is easy to explain and understand . Lies are what's difficult to explain.

[@Marie_me_]

The heathen sacrifice their children Learn not the way of the heathen. God would not partake in a evil ritual. God our creator was the ultimate sacrifice who clothed himself in flesh.

[@ghernandez2263]

@@Marie_me_I hope you realize how ridiculous that sounds. God cannot die so how is it a sacrifice to die on the cross if he can’t die? The trinity is ridiculous

[@Marie_me_]

@@ghernandez2263 it’s the ritual of killing his “son” I’m talking about. It’s not what God would do. And yes the Trinity IS ridiculous. Jesus is the father and the spirit. He’s NOT three in one he’s just one who came down died for our sins and rose again. That’s what I’m trying to say.

[@slightlyopinionated8107]

I have 3 cars. These three cars are actually one car. You see? I have one car!

[@ashlysmith7525]

It's all rubbish I know 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@davidbilliter5619]

It's more like your car is made up of 3 parts that work in unison for the same purpose. Drive train, chassis, and electrical. Each has a purpose and is a separate system but work together to make a complete CAR. The perfect union makes it function for its purpose.

[@PureCurebyFaith]

Friend, The LORD Jesus is GOD, The Son. Matthew 28:9-10 _"The Lord Jesus met them, saying: greetings. They came to Him, clasped His feet, and Worshipped Him. Then The Lord Jesus said to them: do not be afraid; go tell my Brothers to go to galilee, where they will see Me."_ The Lord Jesus does not reject Worship because it is adequate, proper. Matthew 4:9 _"Away from Me, satan! For it is written: Worship The LORD your GOD, and Him only shall you Serve."_ Revelation 22:8-9 _"...I fell down to worship...the angel...but he said to me: do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren...Worship GOD."_ Romans 1:25 _"They exchanged The Truth of GOD for a lie, and worshiped and served a creature rather than The Creator, Who is Blessed forever. Amen."_ One can see worship of creations is very frowned upon and rejected in the Bible. However, LORD Jesus Christ is Merrily Adored. John 20:28 _"Thomas replied: my LORD and my GOD!"_ Isaiah 9:6 _"To us a child is born, to us a Son is given, and government will be on His shoulders. He will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."_ Mark 10:18 _"None is Good but GOD Himself."_ John 10:11 _"I am The Good Shepherd."_ John 8:58 _"The Lord Jesus answered: verily, verily, I say unto you: before Abraham was, I AM."_ Exodus 3:14 _"I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you."_ Isaiah 44:6 _"This is what The LORD says: Israel's King and Redeemer, The Lord Almighty: I AM The First and I AM The Last; apart from Me there is no god."_ Revelation 1:17 _"Do not be afraid: I AM The First and I AM The Last, and The One Who Lives."_ John 1:1 _"In the beginning was The Word, and The Word was with GOD, and The Word was GOD."_ John 1:14 _"The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His Glory, the Glory of The One and Only Son, Who came from The Father full of Grace and Truth."_ 1 Timothy 3:16 _"Without doubt Great is the mystery of Godliness: GOD was manifested in flesh, Justified in The Spirit, seen by angels, Preached among gentiles, Believed on in the world, received up in Glory!"_ Acts 3:15 _"You killed The Author of Life, but GOD raised Him from the dead. We are witnesses of this."_ Matthew 7:21-23 - _"Not everyone who says to Me: lord, lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven: but only he who does the Will of My Father, Who is in Heaven. Many will say to Me on that day: lord, lord, did we not prophesy in Your Name, in Your Name drive out demons, and in Your Name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly: away from Me; I never knew you, workers of sin!"_ ==== The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are equalized, thus the three Persons are on equal ground (See Athanasius Creed on this): Matthew 28:19 _"Therefore make disciples of all nations; baptizing them in the Name of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit."_

[@TheBiggestRat674]

​@@davidbilliter5619💯

[@Pitfame]

Don’t use the trinity in analogies. These things could accidentally lead you to other beliefs like modalism, or partialism. Your using something similar to partialism which doesn’t really explains the true definition of it. Use it in serious sentences. These stuff can also lead to errors. Lets say this. Being partialism is described with a egg. 1+1+1 and 1. The crack is the father, the yolk is the son, and the outside liquid is the holy spirit. What the heck?! This doesn’t makes any sense right? I recommend you to see a full meaning of the trinity.

[@morrisonakpos6272]

Who is higher because bible tells us that one is higher. So the trinity didn't count

[@davidbilliter5619]

Ive never understood why its so hard for people to understand. 3 of the same mind . Each has an individual purpose , but always agree .

[@donaldrothenberger4412]

Can’t wait until we get to fully understand that!

[@ganbate2049]

the dialog between Prophet Isa (Jesus) with Allah .If you all don't mind, I want to share... (have no intention to provoke or anything becuz u all have ur own stands.. these are verses from Surah Al-Mai'dah, (5: 116-118) وَإِذْ قَالَ ٱللَّهُ يَـٰعِيسَى ٱبْنَ مَرْيَمَ ءَأَنتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ ٱتَّخِذُونِى وَأُمِّىَ إِلَـٰهَيْنِ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ قَالَ سُبْحَـٰنَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِىٓ أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِى بِحَقٍّ ۚ إِن كُنتُ قُلْتُهُۥ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُۥ ۚ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِى نَفْسِى وَلَآ أَعْلَمُ مَا فِى نَفْسِكَ ۚ إِنَّكَ أَنتَ عَلَّـٰمُ ٱلْغُيُوبِ (١١٦) مَا قُلْتُ لَهُمْ إِلَّا مَآ أَمَرْتَنِى بِهِۦٓ أَنِ ٱعْبُدُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ رَبِّى وَرَبَّكُمْ ۚ وَكُنتُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًۭا مَّا دُمْتُ فِيهِمْ ۖ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيْتَنِى كُنتَ أَنتَ ٱلرَّقِيبَ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ وَأَنتَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ شَهِيدٌ (١١٧) إِن تُعَذِّبْهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ عِبَادُكَ ۖ وَإِن تَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ فَإِنَّكَ أَنتَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ (١١٨) And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O ‘Îsâ (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?’ " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). (116) "Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them; and You are a Witness to all things. (117) "If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise." (118) Also in Surah Ali-Imran, (3: 47-49) when Allah explained the mukjizat He gave to Prophet Isa (power/signs of Prophet Isa as His messanger) قَالَتْ رَبِّ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِى وَلَدٌۭ وَلَمْ يَمْسَسْنِى بَشَرٌۭ ۖ قَالَ كَذَٰلِكِ ٱللَّهُ يَخْلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۚ إِذَا قَضَىٰٓ أَمْرًۭا فَإِنَّمَا يَقُولُ لَهُۥ كُن فَيَكُونُ ٤٧ وَيُعَلِّمُهُ ٱلْكِتَـٰبَ وَٱلْحِكْمَةَ وَٱلتَّوْرَىٰةَ وَٱلْإِنجِيلَ ٤٨ وَرَسُولًا إِلَىٰ بَنِىٓ إِسْرَٰٓءِيلَ أَنِّى قَدْ جِئْتُكُم بِـَٔايَةٍۢ مِّن رَّبِّكُمْ ۖ أَنِّىٓ أَخْلُقُ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلطِّينِ كَهَيْـَٔةِ ٱلطَّيْرِ فَأَنفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًۢا بِإِذْنِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ وَأُبْرِئُ ٱلْأَكْمَهَ وَٱلْأَبْرَصَ وَأُحْىِ ٱلْمَوْتَىٰ بِإِذْنِ ٱللَّهِ ۖ وَأُنَبِّئُكُم بِمَا تَأْكُلُونَ وَمَا تَدَّخِرُونَ فِى بُيُوتِكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِى ذَٰلِكَ لَـَٔايَةًۭ لَّكُمْ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ ٤٩ She (Maryam) said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allâh creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" - and it is. (47) And He (Allâh) will teach him [(‘Îsâ (Jesus)] the Book and Al-Hikmah (i.e. the Sunnah, the faultless speech of the Prophets, wisdom), (and) the Taurât (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel). (48) And will make him [(‘Îsâ (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, a figure like that of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allâh’s Leave; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allâh’s Leave. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe. (49) The full story is from the verse 33-51+ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ رَبِّى وَرَبُّكُمْ فَٱعْبُدُوهُ ۗ هَـٰذَا صِرَٰطٌۭ مُّسْتَقِيمٌۭ ٥١ Truly! Allâh is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him (Alone). This is the Straight Path. (51) - This is one of his (Isa-Jesus) speech in Al-Quran, and very similar to: Deutoronomy 6:4 "Hear O Israel": The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Mark 12:29 "Hear O Israel": The Lord our God, the Lord is one. May God leads us all to the true path. Aamiin. May happiness, the true path, the guide will always with you, and us all Aamiin.

[@TheZabuza49]

You know, the thing that finally allowed me to get a grasp on how the Trinity can exist was when I really studied the basics how Daoists believe in the unity of yin and yang, how the two coexist in harmony, fluctuating as two unique aspects but are one. Of course I don’t believe that’s God or anything, but Daoists understanding of that unity of two-being-one really helped me grasp the macro picture of the Trinity

[@andyehara]

Exactly! Thsi why is playing in dangerous waters. The trinity is a made up doctrine that is based on paganism and modelism.

[@Bxazh]

⁠@@andyeharatrinity is made up doctrine, based on modalism?Nah Paganism maybe, they’re many videos indicating so. Key word “maybe” tho Unitarianism is biblical (John 3:16,John 17:3)✝️

[@andyehara]

@@Bxazh Paganism as well. It's based on the 3 Gods are one in Hinduism. We know where practicing that will get you. Even non Christians are coming out of the blue saying they've had a bad experience in practicing Yoga.

[@MercyGrace.JC7]

The definition of Trinity is all I needed to make sense of the trinity !

[@ispartali3210]

Matthew 24:36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. He don't know about the hour because jesus is not god and not gods son, he is a prophet like moses and mohammed (peace and blessings about them all). Only Allah knows about the hour exact the same what the quran says^

[@Spookweave]

​​@@ispartali3210"I and the Father are one." John 8-58 And the Quran says to believe the Bible. Surah 3:3 3:3) He has revealed this Book to you, setting forth the truth and confirming the earlier Books, and earlier He revealed the Torah and Gospel (3:4) for the guidance of mankind; and He has also revealed the Criterion. Oh, and about that verse you just gave, Jesus BECAME MAN, and when He did so, He took upon Himself human LIMITATIONS, physical AND mental, putting on a metaphorical BLINDFOLD.

[@noothername6199]

Amazing how he never used one scripture Lol. Trinity was invented by the Catholics

[@noothername6199]

@Adam the Inquirer The word Trinity is not in the New or Old Testaments, neither is the word Catholic. the trintity theory comes the Catholic church who invented it, they follow Constantine and the catholic bible

[@noothername6199]

@Adam the Inquirer praying to Mary, dead saints and kneeling before and praying to statues is also not in the New T.

[@noothername6199]

@Adam the Inquirer If its not in the bible Old /New Testament, its false dogma. and that includes the 3 persons theory, catholic dogma. Only one person and thats Jesus, The Father and Holy Ghost are invisible spirits not persons. For in Him(Jesus) dwells all of the fulness of the Godhead Bodily. Romans 1:20 ...Maybe you should give up studying false catholic dogma and start studying the New Testament.

[@noothername6199]

@Adam the Inquirer This video explains where the trinity doctrine first began. "My Journey from Trinitarianism (3 gods) To (1 God) by GTSP Minisry

[@noothername6199]

@Adam the Inquirer Prove its heresy.

[@ericjensen9112]

Great explanation and graphic!

[@susanhersom5724]

Is the Holy Spirit a third person or is it God’s active force? I always thought that Holy Spirit is Gods active force, that He puts into His ones that believe in Him and His Son Christ Jesus when they make a covenant with God our heavenly Father and are baptized*

[@thomasburke9060]

Both. The Holy Spirit is a third person, and also you described His position in the economy of the cosmos/Church.

[@regularjoe5055]

Thank you so much for your videos, because of them I have found Islam!

[@charlesross8708]

😬not the easiest doctrine to get "spot on". I appreciate your take.

[@waitstill7091]

The Trinity is a church doctrine not found in the Christian scriptures. Jesus was a Jew and belonged to a sect of Judaism.

[@mwilliams1308]

@@waitstill7091 actually, Jesus was a Israelite. The Jews are Edomites. But you are right about the trinity being church doctrine and not biblical.

[@waitstill7091]

@@mwilliams1308 What source(s) do you have to prove Jews are not a part of Israel? Can you show me where in the Tanach you see this?

[@waitstill7091]

@@mwilliams1308 The corruption spoken of in Malachi, referred to the post-exilic period. You can read all about this in Ezra 9 and 10. 11Judah has dealt treacherously, and an abomination has been committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah has profaned the holy one of the Lord [in] that he loved and married the daughter of a foreign god. Malachi 2:11 "The people of Israel, the priests, and the Levites were not separated from the peoples of the lands, like the abominations of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.3For they have taken of their daughters for themselves and for their sons, and the holy seed has become mingled with the peoples of the lands, and the hand of the chiefs and the deputies was first in this treachery." Ezra 9:2-3

[@waitstill7091]

@@mwilliams1308 Any future prophesy is presupposition not stated in the text. 22Keep in remembrance the teaching of Moses, My servant-the laws and ordinances which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel. Malachi 3:22 Judaism is the religion adhering to the teaching of Moses, not Christianity.

[@gspothitta9079]

We can’t wrap our heads around the trinity because of how complex it’s is kinda like how we can’t explain a 4D universe but we know it exist. It’s out of our comprehension

[@PariJha-vz9ep]

That's what every christian says when they can't explain neither understand it😂

[@kirjian]

​@PariJha-vz9ep you think a being outside of spacetime would be totally comprehensible to us even if it tried its hardest to explain its existence?

[@PariJha-vz9ep]

@@kirjian Yeah because that "being" created us and our mind. And. If he himself isn't capable of creating us in a way we. Can understand him,then that means he is not all. Powerful

[@kirjian]

@@PariJha-vz9ep so wait, your issue is God being all powerful or God creating us in the specific way that you want to be created? Which is it?

[@PariJha-vz9ep]

@@kirjian Read your previous comment again,"even if it tried it's hardest to explain its existence". You just admitted God couldn't explain itself even if it wanted to😂. That's not all-powerful tbh

[@sixdayburn4787]

For us (true Christians) There is ONE GOD the Father, and ONE LORD Jesus Christ..1 Corinthians 8 Absolutely nowhere on scripture are we given permission or encouragement to worship Jesus on the same level/ equality! John 10, Jesus very clearly states His Father is and always will be greater than all!

[@cokesmocker39]

Thank you so much for answering this because I've been wondering for a long time. And it's not so much like I struggle with my belief but with being able to explain or witness to other people.

[@joshua9n]

That was beautifully said.

[@rjanjim]

Christians: God is only one but takes different forms and descends to Earth Pagan Hindus: God is only one but takes different forms and descends to Earth … Also Christians: Hindus are pagans and Christians believing in trinity are monotheists Make it make sense 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@ghernandez2263]

@@rjanjimnot only the trinity but their holidays as well 😂

[@leenieledejo6849]

​@@rjanjimNot all Christians are like that. True CHRISTians actually listen to what Jesus Christ says. And Jesus was no "Trinitarian". ‭"And Jesus answered him: The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this: 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. There is none other commandment greater than these" (Mark 12:29-31) ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

[@Wertyap69]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@rjanjimYeah believing in the Trinity is monotheistic because in the Trinity there’s only one God.

[@MekkaMehamedi]

እዚ ኣምር ኣብ መጽሓፍ ቅዱስ ክንረኽቦ ኣይንኽእልን ኢና።እቲ 1ይ ትእዛዝ እንታይ ማለት ምዃኑ ክንከታተል እላቦ። ዮሃንስ 17፡3 ኣንብብ - "ንዓኻ ነቲ እንኮ ሓቀኛ ኣምላኽን ነቲ ዝለኣኽካዮ ኢየሱስ ክርስቶስን ምእንቲ ክፈልጡኻ ነዛ ዘለኣለማዊት ህይወት" ድሕሪኡ ቁርኣን ምዕ 5 ቁጽሪ 116-117 ኣንብብ። ከምኡ ውን ˹ኣብ መዓልቲ ፍርዲ˺ ኣላህ ከምዚ ክብል እዩ “ኦ ኢየሱስ ወዲ ማርያም! ንዓኻን ንኣዴኻን ብዘይካ ኣላህ ከም ኣማልኽቲ ክሰግዱልካ ንህዝቢ ሓቲትካ ትፈልጥ ዲኻ?” ንሱ ድማ “ክብሪ ንዓኻ ይኹን! ከመይ ጌረ እየ ክብሎ መሰል ዘይነበረኒ ክዛረብ ዝኽእል? ከምዚ ዝበለ ነገር እንተዝዛረብ ብርግጽ ምፈለጥካዮ ኔርካ። ኣብ ውሽጠይ ˹ሕቡእ˺ ትፈልጥ ኢኻ፡ ኣነ ግና ኣብ ውሽጥኻ ዘሎ ኣይፈልጥን እየ። ብርግጽ ንስኻ ˹ በይንኻ˺ ፈላጢ ኩሉ ዘይርአ ኢኻ። ኣነ ብዘይካ እቲ ዝኣዘዝካኒ ካልእ ኣይበልክዎምን ማለት ንኣላህ ንጐይታይን ንጐይታይን ኣገልግሉ። ' ኣብ መንጎኦም ክሳብ ዝጸናሕኩ ይከታተሎም ነይረ፤ ምስ ዘኪርካኒ ድማ ሽዑ ንስኻ ባዕልኻ ሓላዊኦም ኰንካ። ብርግጽ ኣብ ልዕሊ ኩሉ ምስክር ኢኻ"። ምክንያቱ ንጹህ ሞኖቴይዝም እምበር ሽርክ ወይ ኣምልኾ ጣኦት ስለ ዘይንፈልጥ፡ ትእዛዛት ንሓልው እግዚኣብሄር ደራሲ ምድንጋር ስለዘይኮነ ምኽንያት!

[@iverson25allen]

It seems you’ve confused yourself my friend, we’re baptized in the name of 3, our being is comprised of 3 (mind body and soul), an egg (shell, white, yolk). If we are made in the likeness of God, the world will have so many instances of the holy 3. Remember, Jesus says himself if you’ve seen me, you’ve seen THE FATHER and that He will give The Gift of The Spirit to those in him. The Bible doesn’t explicitly say “trinity”, but, there are words with a plural nature referring to one thing, our Lord is that. Remember when God appeared to Abraham and Sarah at his home in the form of 3 men? He spoke to the men in a singular tense. Why did he do that?

[@iverson25allen]

Also, don’t bring the Quran in this discussion, it has nothing to do with the Torah or Bible.

[@MekkaMehamedi]

@iverson25allen that quote is not as clear as saying they may know YOU ☝🏾 the only true god and jesus christ whom you sent. According to Jesus, who is the only true god? Why should anyone believe you or jesus' testimony? Are you sure you love jesus? beleive what you want. I will continue to spread the truth. The Quran is crystal clear, so i understand why you dont want to hear it. Go read the quran it is the final testimony after all previous revelation and the confirmation. For you to say such nonsense shows your bigotry and lack of understanding of other Ibrahamic faith peace upon them

[@MekkaMehamedi]

@iverson25allen In Genesis 21:1 “And the Lord visited Sarah as he had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as he had spoken” (King James Version). In this image, Abraham welcomes the three divine angels by bowing to them. In front of his tent, the visitors bear the news to Abraham that his wife Sarah will have a son. Islam confirms those were angels, not 3 persons of god Like ai said, we have Quran final testimony clearing all pagen misconceptions like saying god is a human or killed. Such pagenism beliefs go against 1st commandment, which is no god before me. Meaning no partners or associations

[@iverson25allen]

My friend, the reason why I said not to refer to the Quran is simply because we have 0 revelation of any benefactor from that book. In fact, we have prophesy in Daniel 8 and a warning from Christ Himself of those coming from the “east”. Clearly, I’ve offended you and I am sorry for doing so, but, refer back to Genesis 18, I take it you speak Hebrew, in the Hebrew, what we who speak English read as Lord is Yahweh, is it not? Anyway, I mean no offense brother/sister. I’m sorry for offending you.

[@dmisidia9359]

The Trinity, a complex and controversial theological doctrine, posits that one God exists in three persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It raises questions about their distinct yet unified nature, such as differing wills and Jesus praying to the Father. Conversely, Tawhid, the cornerstone of Islamic belief, asserts the absolute oneness of Allah-eternal, self-sufficient, and beyond comparison. This straightforward monotheism offers a clear, rational approach to understanding divinity, resonating with common sense and simplifying spiritual practice. Embracing Tawhid provides certainty, peace, and purpose, illuminating faith with clarity and conviction.

[@andyehara]

It's not complex, it's a lie being taught to make people believe. It's satans work at best.

[@Asad9348]

Lets see if you can defend trinity logically on jake the Muslim metaphysiciy channel

[@Airianaloniece_]

This honestly… truly.. sounds ridiculous. Like I’m wondering did he just hear what he said.

[@KingPingviini]

There is many ridiculous sounding things that are true in the world. And many serious sounding things that are not true. Ridiculousness cannot be used as measure on what is true and what is not true.

[@leenieledejo6849]

Exactly. It's bearing false witness. Satan is the author of confusion and DARKNESS. God is LIGHT i.e transparent, clear and simple. None of the apostles were Trinitarians, as is obvious in the Gospels, Acts and the epistles. Best to trust the word of God rather than arrogant men. ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

[@ChumChard]

Not disagreeing but what does the 3 persons in 1 mean? I believe in the trinity but I find it to be one of the hardest parts of Christianity to explain

[@ardaduck735]

Read the Athanasian Creed

[@IAmisMaster]

Mike Winger's definition of the Trinity is not logical and was invented in the 4th century. Listen to Beau Branson and David Bercot describe the original doctrine of the Trinity as understood by the Ante-nicene Christians like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, etc. as well as found in the Nicene Creed. It makes sense logically and biblically: the Father is the One God (1 Corinthians 8:6) and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are two other divine entities who have the same nature in the same way a human son has his father's nature. They do not form some bizarre 3 in 1 entity. The Trinity is not God, nor is God "triune." Three persons have the same divine nature as the Father, but the Father remains the One God.

[@IAmisMaster]

@@ardaduck735 Don't read the pseudo-Athanasian creed created years after Athanasius died and which contradicts the Nicene Creed and ante-nicene church fathers on the Trinity. Read the Scriptures and one will see the One God is the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6) and Christ is not equal to the Father in rank (John 14:28).

[@lkae4]

@@IAmisMaster How is that not polytheism?

[@shalombereshiyth]

It’s hard to explain because it isn’t biblical. God is just One. He manifests in different ways but He is the Same One God

[@ValorantRivals]

still doesn’t make sense 😢 the only way I see it is that there’s three planes of existence, the universe… Outside of time… And my mind which can create a universe in dreams… So these are three places, and God exists in all three because God is outside of time, Jesuswas within time, and the holy spirits in my subconscious? Is this correct or incorrect?

[@moudhafferbouallegui]

If god the son is divine and co-equal with god the father then they are co-equal in capacity and ability. If god the son has the ability and capacity to die then god the father also has the same capacity. If god the son died in his human form and only his human aspect died then the question becomes how can the flawed creation become divine. The trinity is a myth. When Jesus was asked what was the most important thing to believe in to enter heaven he stated the first commandment. Your God is One ! If the trinity was the most important thing then he would have stated it. He would not have left his people to go astray. Why would God allow all the people from the beginning of time and all the previous messages and revelations to describe him as One Entity if he is actually 3 persons in 1. This god sounds like a deceiver.

[@Adam_Burton]

So God the father is a person you worship God the son is a person you worship and God the holy spirit you worship All 3 are worshiped as God in Christianity and having more than (1) God is polytheism

[@johnchambers9836]

I'll watch this again later when in really drunk. It might make sense then

[@cxarhomell5867]

It makes sense to people who listen to it without having to destroy their brain and their liver.

[@DiggitySlice]

Truly you have shown yourself to be the wisest among men, I must believe you over the mountain of historical evidence now

[@NickOtis0707]

As a Christian even though it doesn't say anything about the word Trinity in the Bible but it does mention everything that adds up with Jesus being God in the flesh and the holy Spirit was always with Jesus and the father. Just like we have water ice and vapor

[@TheOldMenGC]

So please explain to me this Father = Fully God Son = Fully God Holy spirit = Fully God How are these not three Gods but one God.

[@loriehaisen9555]

The catholic church made it a dogma that unless you believe in the "trinity" you can not be saved. I have searched the scriptures, there is not one scripture that says God is 3 of anything. It says God is ONE over and over and over again. The bible calls God the "Godhead" in 4 verses. The bible never says "3 persons in one" A person has a Spirit, soul and a body. So, are you teaching that God has 3 spirits, 3 souls and 3 bodies??? The wordings of this teaching are unbiblical. Go to the scriptures and try to find a single verse that says God is 3 of anything. The word "trinity" starts with 3 - tri. Where in the bible does it say God is 3 of anything??? Nowhere does it say it. I have combed the scriptures, it is not there.

[@KingPingviini]

There does not need to be specific verse explaining it to be biblical truth.

[@MalevolentBite]

Do you leave Jesus walked on water and turned water into wine ?

[@Ihayden]

Mathew 28 :19 in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. All three persons share one name. I AM!

[@leenieledejo6849]

Exactly. He should get rid of his library that he likes to show off, repent of preferring the doctrines of men and instead LISTEN TO JESUS! ‭"And Jesus answered him: The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel; The Lord *our God* is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this: 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. There is none other commandment greater than these" (Mark 12:29-31) ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

[@shabbatsongs4801]

IMHO…God is not limited to our understanding. He can and does make Himself known to us in many ways, including the Trinity…🙏

[@Remembering1453]

Its amazing how heretics and muslims always attack the trinity when its actually a simple and fascinating concept an its all over in scripture both old and new, even in jewish mysticism such as metratron and the ahekinah

[@michaelbrickley2443]

I agree wholeheartedly, Mike but I also agree with Lisa Harper when she says that anyone claiming full understanding of the Godhead is lying. It’s just TOO BIG so we break it down with these simplifications and leave it at that. “To contemplate the trinity is to be battered and bruised as Jacob was after wrestling with the angel but the better for having done so.” Thomas Aquinas

[@B1V.]

That is tritheism.

[@GoofyAhOklahoma]

Nope. One God.

[@DiggitySlice]

It's amazing how people just don't listen to what's being said. They just come with their reply preloaded and it doesn't follow

[@B1V.]

@@DiggitySlice this was 3 months ago, if you can explain how I'm wrong then sure

[@leenieledejo6849]

​​@@DiggitySliceIt's amazing how people call themselves "Christian" but ignore Christ 😢. Neither Jesus nor the apostles were Trinitarians. ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

[@bornagain.Acts2-38]

Do not follow the traditions of men(Tertullian and the Roman Catholic Church), but follow the word of God. God is spirit. “God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” ‭‭John‬ ‭4‬:‭24‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ The Spirit is the Father of all creation. “The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ The Spirit took on flesh and became a man. “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.” ‭‭I Timothy‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬ ‭NKJV‬‬ Jesus Christ is the Father revealed to us in the flesh. “For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9‬:‭6‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

[@dh31409]

Utter butchering of scripture

[@bornagain.Acts2-38]

@@dh31409 Utter revelation of Jesus Christ, and who he really is.

[@C.P.R.3]

Jesus The Living Tabernacle, is how i came into spiritual understanding of The Trinity.

[@cosmasmbuzi.1467]

We read "To whom then will ye liken God? or what likeness will ye compare unto him?" Isaiah 40:18. Of course, the answer here is "to no one", "to nothing". I think it maybe more reasonable to represent God by the number "0" because he compares to "nothing". In the context of trinity "0" can be written as follows: (i) 0=0+0+0 or 0+0+0=0, which is, God with God with God. (ii) 0=0×0×0 or 0×0×0=0, which is, in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. (iii) 0=0-0-0 or 0-0-0=0, which is, God from God Light from Light. Each "0" is equal "0"

[@kalords5967]

Good definition of the trinity: lies

[@kuddybeef777]

striking argument

[@HM7aep]

A good definition of you: Hell

[@kalords5967]

@@HM7aep That's what you Christians do when you lose an argument 😆 🤣 😂. But don't worry, hell was created by Christians for Christians.

[@AA-vl3gu]

​@@HM7aepim a believer who doesnt believe in the trinity. And i at least have enough sense and faith to use the term Godhead when its given to me.

[@cxarhomell5867]

​@@AA-vl3guThen you're simply not a Christian. You can't accept Christianity without the essence of the triune doctrine. Without the trinity, there is no Godhead. There are three persons in one divine God united on purpose. John 10:30 on Jesus and God being one and Revelation 22:13 speak about Jesus being God and reaffirm the essence of the doctrine.

[@Shawnluna916]

DIVINITY Not Trinity.

[@artnile9818]

Muslim

[@carloscenteno5913]

This is correct, I always had an issue with this until GOD woke me up and told me "WE are one"

[@lwmaynard5180]

But not equal to the ALMIGHTY GOD ? To be one with GOD means to be in agreement with him , not equal to him . Jesus was one with the father but not equal to him . Jesus him self stated that he was going his way to the father because the father was greater than he , yes at a future time .

[@carloscenteno5913]

@@lwmaynard5180 lol, that's not what I meant, HE told me "WE are one," as in GOD, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one.

[@leenieledejo6849]

If an army unit or the dad of a household says "we are one", it means UNITED. Not that they're all the same person 🙄 In Jesus's prayer to God, he also prays that his apostles/believers be "one" with him and Father God. Jesus affirms the declarations of his identity made by John the Baptist. Nathaniel, Martha, God Himself (at the baptism and Transfiguration of Jesus when He says THIS IS MY SON) and Peter 👇 ‭"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)

[@HappilyAnonymousGirl]

I explained this to a coworker and he said God is schizophrenic. I didn’t think of it at the time, but it’s actually the exact opposite of schizophrenia. Schizophrenic people are one person with multiple minds. God is one mind within 3 persons.

[@eltonron1558]

If God is 3 persons, there is no one God, or Islam is legitimate. God, is family Ephesians 3:15

[@Bxazh]

So each person have the same thoughts? How can this be three distinct persons?

[@eltonron1558]

@Bxazh Every immortal holy spirit, is a person. Some have names. That's why God is a family, not a trinity. God, and his family of holy spirits, called the heavenly host. Even the holy spirit is created, not eternal.

[@Sirach144]

Basically polytheism identifying as monotheism.

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

This is absurd.

[@TheCabin777]

It's absurd not to believe in scripture, The FATHER is GOD, the SON is GOD, the HOLY SPIRIT is GOD, ONE GOD. You don't tell GOD WHO HE is, GOD tells you WHO HE is!

[@aaronmatzkin7966]

@@TheCabin777 your imaginary friend from your ridiculous mythology is a fictional character who exists only on the pages of fiction and in the deluded minds of ignorant superstitious primitives. Give me one good reason you think you have for believing in the existence of your imaginary friend and validity of your ridiculous mythology, and I'll identify your cognitive and factual errors, your fallacious reasoning, and your scientific ignorance. Thanks 😇

[@jaywalker6464]

and beyond.

[@wabz3162]

Totally..I don't know where he got this very wrong explanation.

[@cxarhomell5867]

​@@wabz3162What is wrong about explaining the Godhead and the essence of three persons in one God?

[@stevenv6463]

Wouldn't three separate gods also be three who's but one what? What would be the difference? Humans are the same essence so they are all the same what sharing in humanity so these three separate beings though sharing in divinity would be three separate beings. I have heard the metaphor of comparing the trinity to someone who has multiple roles like the same person being a father, son and friend but isn't this modalism?

[@thomasburke9060]

We wouldn't say that three gods are one God because there are differences between three gods, whereas there are no differences between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

[@stevenv6463]

​@@thomasburke9060 But doesn't orthodoxy claim that the father is eternally begetting the son and that the holy spirit is eternally proceeding from one or two of the other persons in the godhead? There are differences or else it would be pointless to make any distinction.

[@jeffrad6171]

" Three who's and one what" not part of any scripture. If your adding then that's exactly what your doing. You are adding to the bible; "three who's, and one what".

[@bible4truth]

Good word for the Trinity = Heresy 😂

[@brittnotheidiot7036]

Bro why are you disrespecting Christianity if Christian’s don’t disrespect Islam?

[@Wertyap69]

✝️rinity = ✝️ruth

[@bible4truth]

@@brittnotheidiot7036 Doctrine of devil Trinity deserves no respect. It is just a colonization tool. God is a Spirit, the flesh of Mary is a creature, which God puts off.

[@chrisgagnon5768]

3 persons. 1 being, 1 essence, 1 source, 1 substance, 1 nature. We pray to the Father, in the name of the Son, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

[@tariqsami1223]

even if you believed the trinity itself encompassing the 3 figures is god, then why do you worship Jesus alone or call him god alone? Shouldn’t you need the other 2 parts for it to be considered “god” Then aren’t you just worshipping a “part of god”

[@BioMaxing]

But than you can’t say Jesus is god but you can say Jesus is a part of god. If you say Jesus is god it means that he’s independent of god. If all three are independent of each other than there are three gods. So 3 options 1: Jesus is a part of god (which I don’t understand) 2: there are 3 gods ( which means it’s not monotheism) 3:the father is god because Jesus claims to: not know the hour and prayed to god (although he’s a part of god?)

[@jeffnoble9757]

The word trinity is NOT in the Bible, and they're not equal Jesus said"the father is greater than I"when Jesus was baptized in the Jordan voice from heaven said this is my son, when Jesus was being tortured to death Jesus cried out, father NOT my Will be YOURS, Jesus said in the Lord's prayer OUR Father you are in heaven holy is your name(Jehovah) Peter said to Jesus you are the SON of God Jesus said you answered CORRECTLY

[@williamrice3052]

Why didn't they keep it simple and describe God as one person? Why include the complexities of 3 persons in 1? Because the Bible writers recorded revealed truth - even things that they/we don't understand completely.

[@pakiman47]

Absurd nonsense. 3 persons is 3 gods.

[@JesusisMyLordnSavior]

There is One God and One Person that God was in, reconciling the world unto Himself. That One Person, is Christ Jesus, the One True Living God. Our Everlasting Father.

[@moshetzur7327]

In Hebrew we have a prayer from the Bible saying "hear o Israel the Lord our God is one Lord" the translation is not exact but basically God's name is mentioned 3 times while he is one God :) Also in Hebrew the name of God Elohim is plural and the word echad (one) is actually described as unity one as in a group sat to watch a movie in one accord so there is a group that watching but behaving like one Its really fascinating.

[@pikkilo]

You should stick to gaming because you have no idea what you are talking about. You live as an apikoros yet you moonlight as an authority on scripture? You ever wonder why Elohim it is not translated in plural? Almost like Biblical Hebrew is not the same as modern Hebrew and the grammatical culture is different. Just because I know English doesn’t mean I can discuss Shakespeare using modern English… How about we use your logic. “In the beginning Gods created the heavens and the earth.” Would you like to talk about HaShem being a pantheon? Or how about this “And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made you Gods to Pharaoh: and Aaron your brother shall be thy prophet.” You might want to consult Biblical Hebrew scholars on this one instead of implanting modern anachronisms into the text. To use the Shma to support the exact opposite meaning of its intention is ignorant and deceptive. Also the whole changing Echad to mean anything but one is utter nonsense. This compound unity garbage only proves how desperate you are when you know that Echad just plainly mean “one”. Every jew knows that. How about we take your thought here and translate it with your grammar? “Hear, O Israel: The LORD (singular) our Gods, the LORD (singular) is united (singular).” Hmmm… I wonder if we thought HaShem was multiple united gods after this kind of translation? “The Royal we” is part of many cultural languages and to ignore this fact is only self serving and nothing new. Elohim is well known to be a use of the Royal we… How about you stick to gaming instead of teaching people lies.

[@moshetzur7327]

@@pikkilo your mistake is that your trying to translate literally but it is not always correct and I'm not here to debate with you. Hashem is. Not mentioned in the Bible as one of God's names at all but rather means "the name" Jewish people use this out of fear to mention his name due to the third commandment but it is out of context. He didn't tell us not to use his name rather not to use his name in vain for his holiness. An example would be like when people use God's name in a cuss word. Hashem is an invention of human being and no where God asked us to use this name. (it's not even a name) In the begging God created the heavens and the earth the second aleph taf in that sentence is out of context and represents Yehshua for he is the aleph taf. The singular of Elohim is Eloha.. And you miss translate the hear o Israel because the second time God is mention is not "Elohim" but Elohinu (our God) which is the Lord Jesus Christ. It is been told to Moses that no one can see God yet he has seen him face to face. Abraham ate with him and they are all mentioned as Yahuveh Let *us* create man in *our* own image. Plural yet one image.

[@pikkilo]

@@moshetzur7327 you are so far from our people that you eat only from the goyim… even Yeshua used substitutions for the name of God. You have no respect and believe the Christian antisemitic tropes that we are scared of saying God’s name… it’s called respect. Call your dad by his first name and see how that goes… You are nothing but an apikoros that is stuck in the galut. You have turned against your own people and fallen in love with the ways of the goy. We were taught not to learn how they worship there gods and do the same for HaShem but here you are doing that very thing! You ate their treif whole hog… yet you do not consider how much Jewish blood has been poured out by these Christians because of the dogma you hold on to. Why are you trying to lecture me on Hebrew? I used your christian Bible… so your problem is with them not me. I assume you are not observant but just a christian… in that case, you are lawless. What value are any of your words then? Your whole Trinity and demigod and lawlessness is all a human invention but you are okay with that. You are no different from a self hating Jew. Yeshua is Moshiach but not the one you know.

[@moshetzur7327]

@@pikkilo you didn't even take the effort to counter my claims. you are only here to bash people. Yeshua's life is recorded in the new testement and it is reliable because there are many copies of it through the whole new testement Yeshua didn't use "Hashem" or any other substitute to God's name. I understand your point about a human father though it does not apply to God we are to call him by his name Yahuveh or Yeshua. There is no such thing as "GOYIM" in Yeshua we are all the same as adopted sons. Even in the old testament the distinguish is different than what your making it to be ( Roth and Tziporah for example) the only thing that distinguished them is the belief in the one true God Yahuveh this is why Roth has said your God is my God etc. A commitment to follow him. This is what Yeshua has came to do.. Actually you should read some history lessons because it was not "Christians" that poured Jewish blood but the chatolic church which is not considered "Christian" by most. And even if it was so that "Christians" poured Jewish blood your point would still be inaccurate because you just can't assume people behavior's to God. Yeshua taught that if you live by the sword you will die by the sword and called everyone to repent eve and adhere to the commandments of God who said do not commit murder.. Therefore those who kill are not true disciples of Christ ( hence Christians like you call them). I do not recognize this name. I am a Talmid of Yeshua and he is my master.

[@pikkilo]

@@moshetzur7327 you are 100% that product of Christianity… you parrot the same dogmatic tropes like a cult follow. Your church fathers that created the doctrines you now follow are almost the same as Catholics… this is why you observe Sunday instead of Shabbos… Goyim still exist… or would you prefer the word secular or non Jew? Or are you that brainwashed that you can’t even think straight? If you were his disciple, you would love how he lived and walk how he walked… that being obedient to the Torah and encourage others to do teshuvah. Yeshua repeatedly used a substitution for the name of God. “Our Father who is in heaven…” He tends to use “father” to replace the name of God and only uses God’s name in quoting passages. So you getting on my case about using HaShem is only attacking Yeshua for the very same thing. You are a mix of “One for Israel” garbage dogma. You don’t know what we Jews believe because you live as a goy. Really you shouldn’t say “we have a prayer” when you don’t pray it. You don’t live, act or talk like a Jew, so why still use it to promote the “truth” of what you say? Why not send the link from one for Israel instead of thinking you came to this conclusion yourself? Obviously you are just parroting their cult. Yeshua warned repeatedly and made clear about these wolves… don’t you wonder why you get your doctrines from church fathers that studied from Plato and were all gentiles? Yet there was the synagogue of Jerusalem until 135CE teaching and following the Torah, which were never consulted or built any of the christian doctrines… you don’t even know who you are following or why you believe it. You assume passage meaning but never consider that something this radically different in having 3 gods in the Trinity would take Yeshua to say it plainly and be found talked about plainly in the Torah. But it took Hellenist antisemites hundreds of years to come up with with the current Trinity model… why did it take so long if it was true and always had been? Why would HaShem tell us He is not this way and this is a great difference between us and the goyim only to do exactly what he warned against? The same goes with the Torah… why tell us it is forever and even Yeshua saying it will not change, then Christians say the opposite… same with the deity of Yeshua… it is always the opposite with Christians… just like Muslims with the Torah… always different… you can treat Sunday as holy or Friday as holy but definitely not Saturday right? You have a love for your own ideas not HaShem… go back to your games little boy, waste your time some more and live in your fantasy and leave the teachings of God to those of us who actually follow Him.

[@gregleach5474]

I guess I’m the only one who doesn’t get this at all. Are they 3 separate entities? But all called God? The fact that Jesus doesn’t know the final day of destruction (Matthew 24:36) ESV, this tells me that he is an independent thinking entity with his own free will.

[@thomasburke9060]

No, they're not separate. They're wholly in each other, each being present wherever the other is. It would be impossible for there to be separations in God. Entity... You'd have to say what precisely you mean by this term. What I will say is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct because they have different principles of individuation, the Father being ungenerate, the Son being eternally begotten of the Father, and the Holy Spirit eternally proceeding from the Father. However, the distinction goes only that far, and there are no differences between them. As I said, there is no separation between them, as there always is with creatures. They perfectly share the same will. There are no qualitative differences to them, as there always are with creatures. So in another sense they are perfectly one God. What you're observing about Jesus in His earthly life should not necessarily be read into the eternal life of the Trinity. In becoming man, Jesus "emptied Himself... taking the form of a slave". This is the doctrine of kenosis. There are a handful of passages that make Jesus sound more human than divine, but these are reflections of the kenosis, not that Jesus is a mere man. Jesus is not truly independent of the Father; He completely shares the Father's will, even though as a human, this oneness with the Father's will is realized in a sort of discourse (think of the prayer in the garden).

[@ghernandez2263]

⁠​⁠@@thomasburke9060why do you people like to over complicate everything? Why not just says that Jesus was a man who was given divine powers thru the father in a similar way that Moses split the sea. This trinity thing is nonsensical

[@thomasburke9060]

@@ghernandez2263 What you say is simply not the truth as the Christians have received it: "'Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.' Then the Jews said to Him, 'You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?' Jesus said to them, 'Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.' Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by." (John 8:56-59)

[@micro-uhgresh-uhnn]

Trinity is NOT in the Bible anywhere, not the word, not the concept.

[@o_tartaruga]

the word Bible is also not in the Bible, I dare you to find the canon of the Bible in Scripture.

[@mrdr8695]

@@o_tartaruga not even a Christian but the word bible comes from the Greek word biblios meaning collection. So it doesn’t matter whether it is mentioned or not.

[@Airianaloniece_]

Have they not travelled throughout the land so their hearts may reason, and their ears may listen? Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind. Quran 22:46

[@Aaron-M00J]

It’s so hard to understand. My finite mind keeps viewing it as partialism, rather than 100% of each.

[@watchman1960]

Trinity is Triune God. God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Man is spirit, soul, and body. God is Triune and man is triune. Man was created in the image of God.

[@dylansheridan2892]

Where did you find this analogy?

[@no2mob889]

Watchman Née teaches man is body soul snd spirit. He is a Chinese Christian.

[@watchman1960]

@@dylansheridan2892 Hebrews 4:12 and 1 Thess 5:23 refers to the triune nature of man.

[@dylansheridan2892]

@@watchman1960 I honestly think this is a great analogy for The Godhead. But how would you convince someone from scripture that The Father is “the soul” of The Holy Trinity?

[@Dee_Dan_]

By stating these things and explaining the divine Scriptures, we have often refuted these men, but like chameleons, trinitarian changed themselves again, obstinately dragging themselves down to that which was written, “When the ungodly man goes into the depths of evil, he becomes contemptuous” [Prov 18:3 LXX]. • The Father say that He alone is God and no one else?-Isaiah 45:5 • Jesus say the Father alone is God-John 17:3 • God is not three person-Mark 12:29 • Both Jesus and holy spirit not all-knowing?-Revelation 1:1, Matthew 24:36 • Jesus have a God-Revelation 3:12

[@mgonz5914]

John 10:30 I and the Father are one. Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. No such thing as the trinity! One God!

[@switchvideo3241]

Alexandria, Egypt, had even developed a trinity doctrine of its very own long before Christian times. It appears to have been a blend (not surprisingly) of Egyptian, Hindu, and Greek philosophy/mystery religions. "This fusing of one god with another is called theocrasia, and nowhere was it more vigorously going on than in Alexandria. Only two peoples resisted it in this period: The Jews, who already had their faith in the one God of heaven and earth, Jehovah, and the Persians, who had a monotheistic sun worship [Mithras]. It was Ptolemy I [who died in 283 B. C.] who set up not only the Museum in Alexandria, but the Serapeum, devoted to the worship of a trinity of gods which represented the result of a process of theocrasia applied more particularly to the gods of Greece and Egypt [with a distinct Hindu flavor]. "This trinity consisted of the god Serapis (= Osiris + Apis), the goddess Isis (= Hathor, the cow-moon goddess), and the child-god Horus. In one way or another almost every god was identified with one or other of these three aspects of the one god, even the sun god Mithras [very important in the religion of Constantine the Great [96, 97, 98] which we shall see when we examine the Nicene Council] of the Persians. and they were each other; THEY WERE THREE, BUT THEY WERE ALSO ONE." - The Outline of History, Wells, vol. 1, p. 307, 1956 ed.

[@_sonicfive]

The only distinction where I don't see an overlap is their function.

[@ThetennisDr]

I'm a born again Christian and is the utterly most important thing to do. At this point out tiny brains can't understand God. Let's see if when we die. Saved by the blood of Jesus is what matters. And the works for been saved by Jesus Christ God resurrected king holy spirit

[@THEANSWERS337]

Anotherwords there has never been a time were god the father son and holy spirit did not exsist together. As a life long Christian the more I dig into the Trinity the more idk what to do as fare as taking the gospel and getting the tri ity out Jesus says the father is greater than I exc....

[@Used777_07]

Jesus, and all the Apostles, believed in one God who is the Father, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, who is the Son of God, and one Spirit, the Father, not a third person. The Holy Spirit is God, because the Father is God, and He is a Spirit, snd He is Holy. He gave His Holy Spirit to the Son upon Ascension (Acts 2:33) as promised. This selfsame Spirit, that is the Father (2Cor 3:17), is the Glory the Son shared with the Father from the beginning, as the pre-existent, Word of God (John 17:5). Jesus isn't coequal, He humbled Himself to become a man. He had to receive all power and authority from the Father, of His own He did nothing (John 5:30). He never spoke His own words or did His own works, they were all from the Father. Even the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ was given to the Son by the Father, so how can they be equal? They're equal in divine nature, Jesus being the physical manifestation of God in the flesh, eternally subservient to the Father. 1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV ... ; *_and the head of Christ is God._* 1 Corinthians 15:24,28 KJV Then cometh the end, *_when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father;_* when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, *_then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all._*

[@Yassine3333222222]

Not logical because, Person : is a being with human characteristics. God : is a being with divine nature. So you're saying 3 beings = 1 being, which doesn't make sense. Sorry, today we are more intelligent than to believe this!!!