The Trojan War Finally Explained

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The Trojan War is one of the most famous conflicts in human history, but it resides somewhere within the space between fact and fiction. The myth is just as much a part of the tale as the actual history. So keep watching as we dive deep into the truth behind the Trojan War.
The story of the Trojan War has been told and retold countless times, most famously by Homer in The Iliad. But its historical authenticity wasn't always accepted as fact. In the 17th century, Blaise Pascal wrote,
"Homer produced a story, which he offered as such and was accepted as such: for no one doubted that Troy and Agamemnon had existed any more than the golden apple. He did not think he was making a history of it, merely an entertainment."
But it turns out that there's more truth to Homer's tale than initially thought. In the 19th century, a Prussian businessman named Heinrich Schliemann went to what is now Turkey in an attempt to find the location of the Trojan War. In his excavations, he found numerous archaeological treasures that corresponded to the correct location, if not necessarily the correct time period, of Troy. Modern archaeologists later confirmed that these findings correlated with the existence of a city as well as its destruction. So despite Homer's embellishments, he knew his history.
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@Ian_KH
@Ian_KH 3 жыл бұрын
"The Trojan War Finally Explained" - At last! People have been waiting for 3000 years and it's not until now that someone has tried to explain this tale.
@PamelaMpishi
@PamelaMpishi 3 жыл бұрын
VERY TRUE
@Kyle-rd8oc
@Kyle-rd8oc 3 жыл бұрын
To me its very interesting
@Ian_KH
@Ian_KH 2 жыл бұрын
@Hoa Tattis It was a sarcastic remark, fool.
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@Evagelopoulos862
@Evagelopoulos862 Жыл бұрын
@@Universal.. Divine Greece , long live Hellas.
@markikoyyy
@markikoyyy 3 жыл бұрын
Im here because of my teacher
@kylapelaez2951
@kylapelaez2951 3 жыл бұрын
Same
@tyusTrim
@tyusTrim 3 жыл бұрын
Me to🤦🏽‍♂️!!!
@janellechloerodriguez6935
@janellechloerodriguez6935 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah me too😊😙😉
@DIZZYDIZZYDIZZY
@DIZZYDIZZYDIZZY 3 жыл бұрын
H A H A S A M E
@hist0rical_an0maly
@hist0rical_an0maly 3 жыл бұрын
I bet you give homework on Fridays
@allisonv1521
@allisonv1521 3 жыл бұрын
Straight men explaining Achilles and Patroclus: and they were roommates
@Rose-xe4ct
@Rose-xe4ct 3 жыл бұрын
@Urarettin -D- Lexxar greek mythology: *that has never stopped me before!*
@artbutter5769
@artbutter5769 3 жыл бұрын
Just what are you trying to say?
@amongussus4
@amongussus4 3 жыл бұрын
I am normal yet I accept Achilles is ge
@nicoleauza9198
@nicoleauza9198 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god they were roommates
@Aizaaaaaaaaaa
@Aizaaaaaaaaaa 3 жыл бұрын
YOoo just wait till they find out Heracles did his nephew
@Aizaaaaaaaaaa
@Aizaaaaaaaaaa 3 жыл бұрын
"Finally explained" *Proceds to tell a story that's been around for literally 3000 years but butchering it so much that you can write an entire thesis about the mistakes.*
@ferdinandheinrichs4909
@ferdinandheinrichs4909 2 жыл бұрын
If i hadn't known details about the story beforehand i would have been so confused all the way through
@aninnitadash4078
@aninnitadash4078 2 жыл бұрын
Could you please tell me?
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@mobbysthebulltalk6745
@mobbysthebulltalk6745 2 жыл бұрын
@@Universal.. where you from ?
@julianmarsh1378
@julianmarsh1378 3 жыл бұрын
This was....bad. So many mistakes it is not worth addressing them. Well, okay; just one. Odysseus did not embark on a 20-year odyssey. He spent ten years fighting at Troy and then it took him 10 years to sail home. This tidbit shows that the writer and narrator do not know the story they are telling.....
@complexfrost7076
@complexfrost7076 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@Aizaaaaaaaaaa
@Aizaaaaaaaaaa 3 жыл бұрын
True
@BritishRepublicsn
@BritishRepublicsn 2 жыл бұрын
It took 8 years to conquer the cities around Troy 10 years war with Troy 10 year odyssey
@julianmarsh1378
@julianmarsh1378 2 жыл бұрын
@@BritishRepublicsn Or, as I think Graves wrote, it took them 9 years to destroy the Trojan navy and that was when they were finally able to land...which explains why a wall was not constructed until then, to protect the ships...
@ignaciobustamante3313
@ignaciobustamante3313 2 жыл бұрын
VIVA CRISTO REY
@interstellarlapisthecccp4946
@interstellarlapisthecccp4946 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think anyone asked this but in case some people are wondering, the Mycenaean Empire or the Greeks that attacked Troy were definitely a much stronger power, they just couldn't defeat the Trojans due to their fortifications and strategic knowledge of the land; also the Trojans were very rich and well connected with regards to other kingdoms due to their strategic position nearby the Hellespont, allowing them to control trade between the Black sea and Mediterranean.The Greeks were also a lot more disorganized due to the fact that the men technically served under warlords first, who in turn were loyal to Agamemnon. The men ultimately answered and were directed by their respective warlords, though, and in cases like Achilles they would clash with central command so to speak and leave the battle if their warlord told them to. This was definitely a more democratic empire when it came to control of the army, something which didn't exist to the same extent in other empires like the Persian or Alexanders army. (though to an extent, there still were factions and warlords/generals in all armies). I don't know if the story of the Trojan horse is true or if the walls fell due to an earthquake, but another fact people may not know is that the city of Troy was conquered and sacked multiple times before this war occurred. There are even references to the city in the recollections of the life of Herakles, who apparently also sacked the city a few decades before the war.
@ardeasatya2691
@ardeasatya2691 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@charlespring5296
@charlespring5296 3 жыл бұрын
How is briefly summarising the story the same as "finally explaining" the mysteries of the Trojan war? Plus Odysseus' journey home took 10 years not 20
@jmc0024
@jmc0024 3 жыл бұрын
Well.. Counting the war, Odysseus was away from home for 20 years.
@BritishRepublicsn
@BritishRepublicsn 2 жыл бұрын
@@jmc0024 what about the 8 years they took to conquer nearby cities?
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@Dragon-Slay3r
@Dragon-Slay3r Жыл бұрын
Oh did they. Nice
@dan-dan-da-treeman
@dan-dan-da-treeman 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your channel 👍.
@heroesgrantorino
@heroesgrantorino 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully some day they will make an accurate film of this. No cgi no american accents and a cast that can actually act rather than pout...
@blenderbreath7119
@blenderbreath7119 3 жыл бұрын
@Urarettin -D- Lexxar That's why the shitty TV series flunked and didn't get a season 2! Pathetic liberals trying to infect white European culture.
@gvtterslag
@gvtterslag 3 жыл бұрын
@@blenderbreath7119 ok
@generalkermit6421
@generalkermit6421 3 жыл бұрын
@Some thing like actually lmao, these days hollywood makes a black character white and there is a huge "controversy" but when a white character is made black its "progress"
@sallyreno6296
@sallyreno6296 3 жыл бұрын
Or, you could read the book.
@ehs1452
@ehs1452 2 жыл бұрын
@@blenderbreath7119 stfu fragile conservative, race is a social construct, there is no "white culture"
@rael7298
@rael7298 3 жыл бұрын
The goddess of discord isn't invited to a wedding (because she's the goddess of discord), so naturally she creates discord
@georgejoestarii9469
@georgejoestarii9469 3 жыл бұрын
Is Ares related to Eris?
@nandaarmando5815
@nandaarmando5815 3 жыл бұрын
@@georgejoestarii9469 no, it's enyo, hebe and eileithyia. Eris is a daughter of nyx and erebus
@treek10k
@treek10k 2 жыл бұрын
None of these "gods" are real. Only our lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@chrisg.k487
@chrisg.k487 2 жыл бұрын
@@Universal.. Stop reading Elena Kocaqi nonsenes .Noeone take her seriously in other universities.
@dinos9607
@dinos9607 2 жыл бұрын
Odysseys' return voyage was a 10-year not 20 year one. He had spent 10 years besieging Troy along with the other Achaean kings under the command of high-king Agamemnon and then another 10 years trying to return home only to be delayed by the Gods. Eventually Athena felt sorry for him and guided him back and helped him regain his palace from the aristocrats courting his wife (not for romantic reasons but for inheriting his throne).
@Yasmin-gw8bw
@Yasmin-gw8bw 2 жыл бұрын
Patroclus and Achilles more than likely weren't just 'friends'
@curleddoughnuts6857
@curleddoughnuts6857 Жыл бұрын
They were cousins.
@jt1929
@jt1929 Жыл бұрын
Yeah it’s said they were lovers which would explain Achilles blood lust to kill Hector.
@kristinemichelotti7436
@kristinemichelotti7436 4 ай бұрын
No they were cousins.
@bellaluvskanao4408
@bellaluvskanao4408 3 ай бұрын
@@kristinemichelotti7436they were only cousins in the movie. From Historical accounts they werent related at all and were most likely lovers 👍 please fact check yourself next time
@jnort95
@jnort95 11 ай бұрын
Great Video!
@ThisGameIsForHorses
@ThisGameIsForHorses 3 жыл бұрын
Dope Video! Keep it up!
@jontyarnold8522
@jontyarnold8522 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, that’s right, the whole world was utterly confused and bewildered about this whole thing.......until this video “explained” it all to us silly people. We are so grateful....
@zariyahsland8680
@zariyahsland8680 3 жыл бұрын
Stfu bruh its for people who are in school and didn't waste their life learning pointless ancient shit
@HarshDude126
@HarshDude126 2 жыл бұрын
@@zariyahsland8680 I love how the stupid mock the wise for their intelligence.
@j.aguilar590
@j.aguilar590 2 жыл бұрын
@@zariyahsland8680 great job pointing out your intelligence level.
@etiennenobel5028
@etiennenobel5028 3 жыл бұрын
Gee Wizz At last!!! Now I understand Homer and the Trojan war perfectly! LOL.
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@GrungeHQ
@GrungeHQ 3 жыл бұрын
Who is your favorite figure from mythology? Correction: The Odyssey depicted the 10 year journey of Odysseus going back home after the Trojan War.
@yeahwhatever1184
@yeahwhatever1184 3 жыл бұрын
Lilith!
@semperparatus678
@semperparatus678 3 жыл бұрын
Neptune
@rileywolf5432
@rileywolf5432 3 жыл бұрын
Now that's a tough decision.
@kamhatcher7765
@kamhatcher7765 3 жыл бұрын
Alexios
@victorlowry844
@victorlowry844 3 жыл бұрын
Robin Hood
@Howoldareweanywayyipes
@Howoldareweanywayyipes 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks.. good job.
@UrsulaDaSeaWishh
@UrsulaDaSeaWishh 3 жыл бұрын
Ok I NEED TO KNOW where that animation that showed when you were talking about Eris came from. I’ve never seen it but it was gorgeous, and I wanna know what it’s from. The animation style reminded me of Dreamworks
@Beast-yj3qc
@Beast-yj3qc 3 жыл бұрын
Sinbad: Legend of the seven seas
@faith1128
@faith1128 3 жыл бұрын
there is so much information that I never knew. Thank you for this video.
@mercedesbenz6127
@mercedesbenz6127 3 жыл бұрын
Trojan war it means in albanian language lands go translate it if you dont believe me then search more for albanians i suggest you
@tuhinsikdar3637
@tuhinsikdar3637 Жыл бұрын
3:35 , his friend patroculas... Died laughing🤣🤣🤣
@Gdevilplayzzz
@Gdevilplayzzz 2 жыл бұрын
Nice broo
@ntsikabungane8959
@ntsikabungane8959 3 жыл бұрын
This guys research was the movie
@idkanymore9612
@idkanymore9612 3 жыл бұрын
LMAOOO
@LiquidSnake1988
@LiquidSnake1988 3 жыл бұрын
What do you mean?
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@jennyvinyl85
@jennyvinyl85 3 жыл бұрын
I do not find merit in the courage of Achilles who knew himself invulnerable.
@Naughtypuppypup
@Naughtypuppypup 3 жыл бұрын
his “””””friend”””””” patroclus
@abbiegailwilson3264
@abbiegailwilson3264 2 жыл бұрын
I knew the trojan war was interesting!and the video just made my mind blow🤯
@thomasaquinas5262
@thomasaquinas5262 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful presentation at a breakneck speed. As an historian, it's hard to accept an account as history where the 'gods' make up about 1/2 of the narrative. Interesting to note that the great horse was accepted by the men of Troy whereas all the female accounts indicate they were skeptical with some literally asking people to look a gift horse in the mouth. If they actually made a great horse, there in the middle of nowhere, that alone was a great feat of carpentry and engineering.
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@dinos9607
@dinos9607 2 жыл бұрын
​@@Universal.. Hi Albanian. Spare us with your propagandist verions riddled with false translations and outright lies. If you had a basic understanding of these issues you would know that back in the Bronze Age the Greek tribes went by the collective name "Achaeans"' and that does not change the fact that they were Greeks. The Hellenes back then were an early Dorian tribe of south Thessaly who had come from Macedonia, birthplace of Dorians - Herodotus mentions clearly that out of the archives of Delphes which are certain and solid, if anyone knew that would be the priests of the Oracle of Apollo holding archives of old. When Dorians spread into the Peloponese becoming the pre-eminent Greek tribe beating the Achaeans the term Achaean ceased to be a collective name for all Greek tribes and was gradually replaced by the term Hellenes. The term Greeks is also of Dorian provenance from Dorian tribes of Epirus. Nobody came from outside Greece otherwise they would speak another language. Dorians spoke a dialect of the same language, Greek, as Ionians who were the descendants of Achaeans again as mentioned by Herodotus based on Delphes archives. This is all archaeologically proved so that gives you not the slightest of space. Picking random quotes from historians and writers and distorting them to make your fantasy albanan narrative leads you nowhere. Pelops was not at all a foreigner, he was a Phrygian. Phrygians were a tribe in Minor Asia, not a nation, who derived from a Greek tribe of eastern Macedonia that invaded Minor Asia and conquered lands on the inner side towards the center. There they mixed gradually with locals but still in spite of that their resulting language was extremely close to Greek to the point of permitting still at least an one way intelligibility (i.e. Phrygians spoke easily in Greek), a whole 1000 years late. That is proven archaeological and again you have nothing to say on that. At the time Pelops lived which was several generations prior to the Trojan War, the Phrygian invasion into Minor Asia was still fresh and Phrygians were still very akin to the Greek tribes of the mainland. As for the term Pelasgian, that is a generic term Greeks of Classical Era used for precisely those pre-Dorian populations that stuck to the regions taken over by the Dorians - this is also explicitly mentioned by Herodotus as well as other writers. The name means "dwellers of lowlands" precisely because the Dorians themselves came from the Pindus range, the highlands. No imaginary nations there, just Greek tribes. Oh how it pains you that historical reality. But go on, tell us. Why you hate the Greeks? Did your mother clean stairs at Athens and was dissatisfied with the payment? THIS is the real discussion we need to have with you. Don't you ever think you are worthy of discussing our history in public. Get lost.
@oscargotjokes
@oscargotjokes 7 ай бұрын
I loved this video and used it as research for a joke I do thats ob my channel since I am a stand up comedian, this video was very useful
@nimitz1739
@nimitz1739 Жыл бұрын
The background Music to this is so hypnotic
@appleass5684
@appleass5684 2 жыл бұрын
3:32 don't pretend they were friends...
@ActionJackson669
@ActionJackson669 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that the Trojan Horse was a legend from The Illiad tbh. I thought it was history the we were sure of, not just a story. Interesting, it makes sense though honestly. I always thought that it was very strange that a plan like that would work, like, they wouldn't find a door or opening, and find them inside? Why would they leave a present for the enemy after retreating? It didnt make sense when I learned about it, and finding out that it is tied to old legends, and The Illiad makes sense 🤷🏻‍♂️💯
@julianmarsh8384
@julianmarsh8384 Жыл бұрын
The best explanation of the Trojan War I have come upon was that given by Robert Graves, who begins by postulating that the first nine years of this 'war' consisted of pirate style raids against the coastal cities of Asia Minor and only after finally defeating the Trojan fleet in the 9th year of the war did they finally land and engage in combat......Graves explains that this is why Priam asks Helen to point out to him the chief warriors of the Greeks....a bit late in the war don't you think, if it had been at that time a 9 year long land battle??? It also explains why Agamemnon orders a palisade built to protect the camp and the ships...again, in the 9th year of the war? Seems the sort of thing one would do in the first year, maybe the first day. As for the Trojan horse itself, we now know a section of the wall of Troy came crashing down due to a severe earthquake, and it was this that allowed the Greeks to storm the city...since earthquakes were associated with Poseidon, they afterwards created a wooden horse in his honor (the horse being the sacred animal of Poseidon)...after the withdrawal of the Greeks, neighboring people entered the ruined city and found the horse and from this, the legend grew...
@danieledu6917
@danieledu6917 2 жыл бұрын
Achillies and his "friend"
@Ruka-oz5ib
@Ruka-oz5ib 2 жыл бұрын
Yep they where definitely platonic, totally
@MarigoldBush
@MarigoldBush Жыл бұрын
yup Achilles and his platonic bff Patroclus :)
@evilqtip7098
@evilqtip7098 2 жыл бұрын
BEST STORIES EVER
@seanleastria4478
@seanleastria4478 2 жыл бұрын
What artwork is it on 1:54?
@simonestreeter1518
@simonestreeter1518 3 жыл бұрын
Patroclus is Achilles' "friend?" Come on, dude, we're all not that dumb these days. They were still manly Ok?
@fla2hbastard
@fla2hbastard 3 жыл бұрын
what's manlier than two men??
@CondorJoe
@CondorJoe 2 жыл бұрын
They were “butt-buddies”! LOL! 😆
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@simonestreeter1518
@simonestreeter1518 2 жыл бұрын
@@Universal.. This was all very interesting, and seems reasonable to me. Of course the Hellenes were foreign interlopers who mixed with these old and very civilized cultures. One question: why are you so sure that the Hellenes did not come from the north? Didn't the most famous Hellene woman of all have blonde hair, according to Homer?
@abeerarif5162
@abeerarif5162 2 жыл бұрын
raise your hand if you’re reading the song of Achilles and trying to make some sense of the war
@aquaticsplashes
@aquaticsplashes 3 жыл бұрын
@5:34 what movie was that?
@Godschild5290
@Godschild5290 3 жыл бұрын
Mr Peabudy & Sherman brought me here 🤭
@emmanuelfiolakis9297
@emmanuelfiolakis9297 3 жыл бұрын
People have to be careful, gifts like that are still given in different ways!
@takethatlfr9337
@takethatlfr9337 3 жыл бұрын
Like what?
@emmanuelfiolakis9297
@emmanuelfiolakis9297 3 жыл бұрын
@@takethatlfr9337, like anything, not just like Trojan viruses!
@jblasutavario9549
@jblasutavario9549 2 жыл бұрын
Like razor blades in an anonymous Christmas card
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@johnord684
@johnord684 8 ай бұрын
Best portrayal i ever read was David Gemmell's Troy series a fantastic read.
@_Mon.
@_Mon. Жыл бұрын
Yes our teacher recommended it to us today and it's our first day of the 1st semester 🙂✊️
@yvonne530
@yvonne530 Ай бұрын
Maurico Druon, secretary of the French Academy: "Albanians belonging to those people older than History itself. Albanian grandparents participated in the war of Troy, led by Achilles (on one side) and Hector (the other side). " Troy was a battle between North Albanians/ Illyrians Gheg und South Albanians/Pelasgians Tosk. Helen was never the reason! There were some religious conflicts between Illyrians and Pelasgians. Troy was not a city but a region with 12 communities in North Albania. You find all the myths of that time stamped on the North Albanian folkloric costumes. After Illyad, the language of Gods was Gheg/ North Albanian Dialect. (Herodotus)
@RR_DM
@RR_DM 5 ай бұрын
You know, Jessica...like when a school offers a more elite school a foreign student expecting him to improve their standard of excellence but he's just a patient zero and they don't want to become corrupted, defiled, infected🙌🏽
@christiansekumade1223
@christiansekumade1223 3 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@YouDreamItILiveIt
@YouDreamItILiveIt 2 жыл бұрын
What is the Time period or age gap between The Trojan War and The battle of Thermopylae? I've been so curious and cant find the answer please help!
@Peesteraleeti
@Peesteraleeti Жыл бұрын
around seven hundred years give or take
@davidaltman3867
@davidaltman3867 3 жыл бұрын
to show how much was once known but was only lost in the recent past, it is mentioned that troy was built and destroyed nine times one on top of the previous one. it should be noted the last city was the roman city of new troy
@julianmarsh1378
@julianmarsh1378 3 жыл бұрын
The influence of Troy went further, as Virgil has the Romans descended from Trojans and the Tudor line of English kings tried to claim its own ancestry to Troy (or at least poets of the time did so on their behalf).
@tommyboy7817
@tommyboy7817 9 ай бұрын
If time machines are built, I’ll go back to see Troy myself
@EtanoS24
@EtanoS24 3 жыл бұрын
What's that animated movie/show at 1:30?
@minaminastheanimationfan7909
@minaminastheanimationfan7909 3 жыл бұрын
Sinbad
@wuerzelburg
@wuerzelburg 3 жыл бұрын
At 1.00 min of the video the excavation site and the golden mask artifact were from Mycenae Greece not from what now is Turkey
@guritarasi8732
@guritarasi8732 3 жыл бұрын
That ancient time hadn't"Greece" but only Illyria!!
@guritarasi8732
@guritarasi8732 2 жыл бұрын
@Hoa Tattis Acha in Albanian is the blood and "e an" mean "from our side" So the word"Achaean" mean "that who came from our bloid side". Hellens are by Thessalian dialect the Ilyrians. The word Greek,acording Aristotle"Meteorologica"(I;XIV) said that word came from Illyrian word "Graii" which in Albanian language are the womans of temple"Dodona" in Epirus. Also this word mean someone who build and the other mean is for someone who is proud or arrogant. You see it's easy for us till 21th century to explain everything cose in fact nothing have change to much from the ancient time till now to us brother😉
@wankawanka3053
@wankawanka3053 2 жыл бұрын
@@guritarasi8732 poor albanian 🤣 explain all the greek coins found in Macedonia and epirus with literally their names don't jn greek on them🤭
@kayliechang3694
@kayliechang3694 3 жыл бұрын
so true
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969 2 жыл бұрын
Best !!!!!
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969 2 жыл бұрын
Gru
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969 2 жыл бұрын
Gross Byett
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969 2 жыл бұрын
Carl whqt is this
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969 2 жыл бұрын
Huuuuuah
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969
@mohamadamirbinmohamed6969 2 жыл бұрын
Memang a Aku Trojen horse
@noahriding5780
@noahriding5780 Жыл бұрын
In the Pennepolyesian League,... (However you spell it...) the city states swore by the gods of Zeus, Gaia, Phoseidon and others to do their mutual defense. This was around the time of 400 bc etc. The sacking of Troy is believed to be around 500 bc... and then a previous sacking involving Hittites 600 years before that. i would like to know if the greek colonies around those times in present day Turkey would have been considered the same or different language than the greece greek speaking colonies? And this is interesting because the Assyrians would have had influence in the region only about 2 centuries prior... and that leaves you wondering how much things changed because of that. Plus what else would have been different between Turkey greek speaking colonies, and the western greek speaking colonies in Greece? And typically maps involving both leave out other greek speaking cities in other areas, which there were plenty of. Thanks.
@ricardoaguirre6126
@ricardoaguirre6126 3 жыл бұрын
Will we ever have a depiction of the Trojan war with accurate, mycenean age armor?
@Euro.Patriot
@Euro.Patriot 3 жыл бұрын
No.
@sirticklebear5983
@sirticklebear5983 3 жыл бұрын
Probs not
@calebhowells1116
@calebhowells1116 3 жыл бұрын
The thing is, Homer doesn’t actually describe Mycenaean armour and weapons. He describes Archaic armour and weapons, specifically from the era around 700 BCE.
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed"..
@jairuslabesores9208
@jairuslabesores9208 3 жыл бұрын
explained? you just narrated a summary of the story :/
@zariyahsland8680
@zariyahsland8680 3 жыл бұрын
Same thing dumbass
@jadenephrite
@jadenephrite 3 жыл бұрын
Regarding 1:40, Paris of Troy name was Alexandros. Regarding 2:30, Agamemnon captured Chryseis at Chryse instead of at Thebes. Regarding 3:31, Patroclus was more than Achilles' friend; Patroclus was Achilles' lover.
@PS4sos21
@PS4sos21 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeh, because we needed you to finally explain the Trojan war which ended the bronze age. Yeh, I'm sure we need you to finally explain this war that really did happen.
@faithentries
@faithentries 3 жыл бұрын
I need to critique this - 4:25 "Troy had to involve more allies due to the fact that 'they're best fighter' was dead" Hector WAS A PRINCE. ELDEST SIBLING & THE FUTURE KING OF TROY, CLEANING UP HIS BROTHER PARIS MESS. You could've mentioned that in this video for those who haven't read the Illiad yet. Not just shrug him off. Thanks.
@UrsulaDaSeaWishh
@UrsulaDaSeaWishh 3 жыл бұрын
I HAVE SO MANY FEELINGS ABOUT HECTOR OMG 😭 he did nothing to deserve all of that
@michaelajavier3649
@michaelajavier3649 2 жыл бұрын
hiiii can u pls tell me where can i read this trojan war?? i've been seeing a lot of sites where i can read it but idk what's true
@kylapelaez2951
@kylapelaez2951 3 жыл бұрын
@3:31 wait what!!
@manlikeryan
@manlikeryan 3 жыл бұрын
i just watched half of Troy from this
@noahriding5780
@noahriding5780 Жыл бұрын
In the Pennepolyesian League,... (However you spell it...) the city states swore by the gods of Zeus, Gaia, Phoseidon and others to do their mutual defense. This was around the time of 400 bc etc. The sacking of Troy is believed to be around 500 bc... and then a previous sacking involving Hittites 600 years before that. i would like to know if the greek colonies around those times in present day Turkey would have been considered the same or different religion than the greece greek speaking colonies? And this is interesting because the Assyrians would have had influence in the region only about 2 centuries prior. Plus what else would have been different between Turkey greek speaking colonies, and the western greek speaking colonies in Greece? And typically maps involving both leave out other greek speaking cities in other areas, which there were plenty of. Thanks.
@alekat9429
@alekat9429 3 жыл бұрын
A small detail of the video. The funeral golden mask of Agamemnon that you showed was found at Mycenae in Greece. Indeed Schliemann discovered Priam's Treasure in modern Turkey.
@alexanderSydneyOz
@alexanderSydneyOz 3 жыл бұрын
That is an excellent summary of the story! Well done. You have to say, that if there is any truth of any sort about the horse, it was the second, or maybe first, most effective act of war in history. I suspect that in reality, they couldn't have been that gullible.
@elephantaerodynamics2133
@elephantaerodynamics2133 2 жыл бұрын
This is just something I am currently learning in my English class, but with the horse being a symbol of Neptune/posidon the romans thought that not accepting the gift would be an affront to Neptune.
@jdewitt77
@jdewitt77 6 ай бұрын
You'd be surprised.
@sonicgem4757
@sonicgem4757 3 жыл бұрын
A Trojan horse is a horse-shaped forest. Troy is located on the shores of a sea that no longer exists. You need to go on flood map site, and raise the sea level to 140 meters. It is near Vinca.
@kamion53
@kamion53 3 жыл бұрын
Troja was located at the edge of a lagune, that silted up in the Roman times.With the harbour disabled and the christian emperors no longer supporting the shrines the city was abonded for good.
@sonicgem4757
@sonicgem4757 3 жыл бұрын
@@kamion53 Koji kamion ?
@intaragahangakurimurandasi5986
@intaragahangakurimurandasi5986 3 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@mysticgrimm7309
@mysticgrimm7309 3 жыл бұрын
Wow i watched a movie about this
@user-dc4bl1cu2k
@user-dc4bl1cu2k 3 жыл бұрын
I think *Herodotus* makes the best source since he claimed to have found King Menaluses stolen property in Egypt. The Egyptians themselves told him.
@vk3567
@vk3567 3 жыл бұрын
Also we know that Alexander the Great visited Achilles tomb in troy and took his shield.
@h3egypt
@h3egypt 3 жыл бұрын
Yes enraged by the death of his friend ;D
@tharfiaufa
@tharfiaufa 3 жыл бұрын
(Boy)friend 😏
@manhaasif1748
@manhaasif1748 2 жыл бұрын
@@tharfiaufa 😏
@Universal..
@Universal.. 2 жыл бұрын
Historical point = Homer in the Iliad and the Odyssey speaks only of Danaans, Achaeans, Argians and not of Greeks. The Hellenes (tribe of Southern Thessaly also called Argos Pelasgians), at his time, did not constitute yet a people or a Nation (Thucydides I,3). He affirms in the Iliad that "Zeus is Pelasgians and dodonean" (XVI,234). Precisely these Pelasgians (🇦🇱) were considered by all the ancient Greek authors as "the first inhabitants of Greece" before "The arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷)"! Another word that was misunderstood or glossed over. Indeed the Greeks arrived from somewhere because they were not indigenous. As they did not come from the North ( one wanted to make us believe the opposite), they could only be foreigners coming from elsewhere. It is this elsewhere which is difficult to define very precisely. But the legends, which are only embellished, idealized or metaphorized historical facts, give us some precious indications on the first foreign ethnic groups having occupied the country of the Pelasgians: the Danaans (Egyptians from whom the Dorians descend), the Cadmeans (Phoenicians) and the Pelopides (Assyrians). Among the peoples of archaic Greece the Ionians, Aeolians and Arcadians were descendants of the Pelasgians, indigenous populations conquered by the Hellenic invaders: they could claim to be indigenous populations. All the ancient authors, including Homer, Hesiod, Hecateus of Miletus, Acousilaos, Hellanicos, Herodotus, Thucydides or Ephorus, inform us succinctly but sufficiently to affirm that before the arrival of the Greeks the Pelasges (🇦🇱) occupied the country that was to become Greece. They also claim that these Pelasges were not Greeks but "Barbaros" i.e. not speaking Greek and, finally, that they LEGAVED TO THE GREEKS A LARGE PART OF THEIR CULTES AND DIVINE. Example: So, everyone has learned (at school etc ...) that Zeus was a Greek god, right? But why in the books of Homer (the basis of the bases!) we never see the so-called "Greek Zeus, Mycenaean Zeus or Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " Here is what Achilles (the greatest warrior of the Trojan War) tells us about Zeus = Achilles: - "Zeus, sovereign lord, O Dodonian prince, O you Pelasgic Zeus (🇦🇱), distant god who reigns over Dodona, in this harsh land of the Stool... " Source : Homer ( Iliad, XVI, 233/234 ) Achilles did not say " O you Zeus the Greek, O you Zeus the Mycenaean or O you Zeus the Hellenic etc ... " So why did they tell us that Zeus was a Greek? With this alone, we can see that modern historiography is not honest! Zeus = Zâ, Zani ( gheg ), Zê, Zeri ( Tosk ) Before securing power over the other gods, Zeus was the god of the luminous sky, of atmospheric phenomena (clouds, rain, wind, lightning, thunder). It was said of him "Zeus rains or Zeus thunders". With Homer and Hesiod, he acquired a preeminent role among the gods of Olympus and a place of choice in the mytological cosmogony. Some say that the name Zeus evokes the Sanskrit root "Dyaus" meaning "the day" (Latin Dies). However Homer states that "Zeus is Pelasgic 🇦🇱 and Dodonean" ( Iliad XVI,234). The oldest sanctuary, dedicated by the Pelasges to Zeus, is that of Dodone, in Thesprotia (ancient Pelasgia, called Epirus, the 5th century) . In Dodona was a sacred oak whose rustling leaves were interpreted by the oracle as the "VOICE" of Zeus. The attributes of Zeus are the Eagle, the Lightning and the Scepter. Moreover, lightning means "thunder", thus "noise" or "voice". Thus the name of Zeus can be explained by the Albanian "Zâ, Zani, the "voice", the verb". With the arrival of the Hellenes (🇬🇷) this oracle lost its importance to Delphi, the "Greek" sanctuary (of Apollo) par excellence. It should be noted that in Albania, God is called Zot (Zeus = Zojz = Zot), all religions combined. Moreover the expression "by Zeus" (who forgives) is always used there "për zotën". Porphyry (Life of Pythagoras) reports that Pythagoras used "Zan" to designate Zeus! ) This alone is enough to convince us that a great civilization, not Greek, existed WELL BEFORE THE ARRIVAL OF THE HELLENES (🇬🇷) Neibhur (FOUNDER OF THE MODERN SCHOOL OF ANCIENT HISTORY!): "The name Pelasgians was probably that of a nation and, in any case, THE GREEK EXPLANATIONS ON THIS SUBJECT ARE ABSURD!" Source: The History of Rome Volume I, p.507 It is the meaning of this famous word "ARRIVED" that the modern authors (majority) did not quite seize (or occulted). Everything has been said and its opposite on this subject. Until the discovery of the so-called Mycenaean tablets, "deciphered" by Ventris and Chadwick, the doubt remained in their minds! But as soon as these two scholars decreed that the Mycenaean linear B (in reality Pelasgians!) was of the old Greek, all rocked in favor of the thesis of the continuity of the two civilizations (Mycenaean and Greek) and this in spite of FOUR CENTURIES, I repeat "FOUR CENTURIES !!!! "of MAGISTRATIC SILENCE! It is this theory that Mathieu Aref dismantles with arguments to SUPPORT because nobody suspected that this Mycenaean (total invention of Schliemann, who is not even an archaeologist but a Businessman! ) was none other than ancient Pelasgians (opinion of the Ancient Authors!) from which is derived, in part, the ancient Greek. Moreover of other flagrant argument comes to corroborate this last thesis: According to Herodotus ( I,57- VIII, 44- VII,95) the Ionians were Pelasgians (🇦🇱) become Hellenes (🇬🇷) by adopting the Greek language! The ethnonym "Ion" derives from the Pelasgic 🇦🇱 "I onë" ( in Albanian, I jonë ) meaning "ours", that is, by extension, "the one who is ( or was ) part of our family, of our ethnic group" . The assertion of Herodotus, according to which the Athenians and the inhabitants of Attica were of Pelasgic origin, is, before, confirmed by Hecateus of Miletus and, later, by Hellanicos of Mytilèbe (Lesbos) and other ancient authors. Curiously Thucydides, whose chauvinism is not any more to be shown, affirms that Pelops (conqueror of Peloponnese) was a was a foreigner come from Asia (I, 5): the only time when it evokes the foreign origin of one of its a - Therefore, the ancestors of the present Albanians, the Pelasgians, lived during the prehistoric periods in most of the then known world, developing a very important civilization and building works of exceptional value". Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia (Athens, volume. XIX p.873) - "Pelasgians, very ancient people living during the prehistoric period in Greece, in the Archipelago, on the coasts of Asia Minor and Italy. It is generally considered that the ancient Illyrians, Thracians, Phrygians, Lydians, Etruscans, Epirotes (...) and Albanians of today are the main branches of the Pelasgians". Source : Petit journal Larousse (Paris, 1950, p.1599) Karl O.Müller ( is a German archaeologist and mythologist ) : - The more the intelligence will enter the history of Greece, the more the attention will return on the element Pelasgians sacrificed until now . (Prolegomena - 1825) "Will enter" "Pelasgians", "sacrificed".
@amalsvlog4802
@amalsvlog4802 2 жыл бұрын
I am here for my project
@DanMarkMPena
@DanMarkMPena 3 жыл бұрын
2:39
@The_Dudester
@The_Dudester 3 жыл бұрын
Troy was located at a vital crossroads and what most likely started the conflict was the equivalent of Troy being a toll booth on a vital highway and the Greeks not liking that. So, the legend is a nice story. What is actually more interesting is the real life amazons and what happened once the amazons arrived near Troy. There is a great episode on PBS about the real life amazons and the unexpected place they ended their journey.
@The_Dudester
@The_Dudester 3 жыл бұрын
@Jonny B The army that fought the Trojans was from many parts of what is now Greece. As the Minoans weren't officially "Greeks" but they did live on what is now Santorini and Crete.
@briansullivan5908
@briansullivan5908 3 жыл бұрын
Pope Anthony The list of ships takes up an entire chapter in the Iliad. There must be a thousand
@The_Dudester
@The_Dudester 3 жыл бұрын
@@sage4365 Yeah, and they were tall. Look it up on PBS. It is fascinating.
@multi-directioner3600
@multi-directioner3600 3 жыл бұрын
Here by reading The Heroes of Olympus
@PSYCHO694
@PSYCHO694 2 жыл бұрын
This movie is in my book
@dylancooper8497
@dylancooper8497 2 жыл бұрын
I can now win Jeopardy after watching this video
@MHiggins
@MHiggins 3 жыл бұрын
We have all read the Iliad we wanted to hear the actual history of the conflict between the Greeks and Trojans. Something may have happened but it wasn’t a ten year long conflict and the founding by the Prussian businessman points to arrowheads and artifacts. The Hittites described a conflict with Walusa as was known by them to be Troy. Our concept of grand conflicts is different when we are looking wars like world war 2 and Iraq vs Iran and China vs Japan in 1937.
@julianmarsh1378
@julianmarsh1378 3 жыл бұрын
Read Robert Graves' take on the 'real Trojan War.' He thought the Greeks had plundered in viking style for years, until they had destroyed the Trojan navy. Only then, were they able to land and directly attack the city. Graves explains that if we use this as our model for the war, a lot of things found in Homer suddenly make sense: the construction of a wall to protect the beached ships; Priam asking Helen to identify the major Greek heroes fighting before the walls of Troy...these make sense in a new land war, not actions taken after 9 years of fighting!
@ouraniasakellariou4824
@ouraniasakellariou4824 2 жыл бұрын
The horse has now become condoms and also computer phishing programs ahhhhh the Hellenes gift
@tonderaimutuke3492
@tonderaimutuke3492 3 жыл бұрын
I'm Still confused. So Is the trojan war fact or fiction or both? 🤔
@bigalsnow8199
@bigalsnow8199 2 жыл бұрын
The Greeks destroyed a city that probably was a allied member of the Hittite empire and Homer passed down to us the legend of said battle. We may never know what really happened but the Greeks were led by a warrior king who was called Argamemnon. This name was found in ancient writings as was the ruins of a city which was destroyed by fire exactly where Homer hinted.
@jt1929
@jt1929 Жыл бұрын
The Romans claimed to be descendants of Troy so who knows?
@Constantine_IA
@Constantine_IA 3 жыл бұрын
Did you have to use scenes from that abomination with the ridiculous Black Achilles?
@noureddineou391
@noureddineou391 Жыл бұрын
Im here because we're building the same giant trojan horse here in Morocco for filming a commercial.
@yourlocalbrit6986
@yourlocalbrit6986 2 жыл бұрын
Here for just fun: 10/10 here because of history class 20/10 Here because of modules 100/10 Here because your mom: 1000/10 Here because of your strict teachers 10M/10 HERE BECAUSE OF STRICTNESS OF YALL RELATIVES AND THEY WANT YOU TO LEARN 100B/10 All: ♾️/10
@yourlocalbrit6986
@yourlocalbrit6986 2 жыл бұрын
Can yall relate?
@ashleefeibarrientos9208
@ashleefeibarrientos9208 3 жыл бұрын
Module brought me here
@adrianvasquez254
@adrianvasquez254 Жыл бұрын
So, who is fighting Troy in this war and why? It wasn’t made clear. The narrator said Paris chooses the Spartan princess, and then Troy undergoes years of siege.
@griffin3508
@griffin3508 2 жыл бұрын
So what was the actual fate of priam, paris, hectors wife n helen
@Divyesh18
@Divyesh18 2 жыл бұрын
Here Because of Chali Kahani song from Tamasha
@donaldbadowski290
@donaldbadowski290 3 жыл бұрын
This is Finally, huh?
@zyrylleannenapaod4568
@zyrylleannenapaod4568 2 жыл бұрын
Was the cause of trojan war personal or political in nature?
@jumanjiu6559
@jumanjiu6559 2 жыл бұрын
The Story of Troy was the war if the children of Put, the and children of Kittim. The story started in the book of Jasher chapter 60.
@ryanstasiuk6366
@ryanstasiuk6366 2 жыл бұрын
Trying to cheat on my test at the moment
@nightmisterio
@nightmisterio 3 жыл бұрын
There is a explanation for all of this, too bad it is censored.
@pabloraw7581
@pabloraw7581 2 жыл бұрын
?
@johnsampson2348
@johnsampson2348 2 жыл бұрын
Was this an advertisement for the movie ?
@sunitascorner8984
@sunitascorner8984 Жыл бұрын
Same
@stevesloan7132
@stevesloan7132 3 жыл бұрын
The wooden horse was probably not a model of a horse but a large rack designed to hold saddles. The misconception seems to be a problem of translation.
@julianmarsh1378
@julianmarsh1378 3 жыл бұрын
The horse might very well have existed as it is a symbol of Poseidon, lord of the seas (though obviously at an earlier time a different type of god). The Greeks would have built it as an offering for a safe sea voyage home. The Trojans might very well have taken it into the city and re-dedicated it. Or the Greeks might have built it and left it in Troy themselves, after destroying the city....People coming to Troy after its destruction and finding the horse, might have drawn the wrong conclusions as to its purpose....
@Musa_18
@Musa_18 Жыл бұрын
Me to
@imalright2837
@imalright2837 3 жыл бұрын
🤨..... mmalright then
@nicp2636
@nicp2636 Жыл бұрын
Brad in this movie 🤤
@Mrfairchap
@Mrfairchap 2 жыл бұрын
Just how incredibly stupid were the Trojans! They successfully resist the Greeks for 10 years and then take a “gift” horse inside the walls without checking it first. Doh!
@rosejimenez9166
@rosejimenez9166 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny how the condum is called Trojan and a computer virus was called Trojan....
@don63
@don63 2 ай бұрын
The Killer Rabbit !!!!
@GigaChad-wk3ni
@GigaChad-wk3ni Жыл бұрын
When your teacher got you here 💀💀💀
@jayberceles
@jayberceles 3 жыл бұрын
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