The True Extent of US Spy Satellite Capability

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[@cameronspence4977]

Lol you think anyone in any of those militaries doesnt already know that stuff?

[@rkan2]

​@@cameronspence4977The adversaries with means aren't the only ones...

[@ryderdonahue]

Don’t worry, I got the reference

[@splashfreelance2376]

The irony of a company with glaring z-fash connections sponsoring a video about US satellite capabilities isn't lost on me either. But any money they send to CC, is less money to the Kremlin coffers in corporate and income tax.

[@Hunter_Nebid]

How do you figure?

[@personmcperson4440]

Talks about Pentagon leaks. Video sponsored by War Thunder. 😂

[@bobo-cc1xw]

If only each nation had satellite overwatch, then we would get true intel on capabilities

[@2x2is22]

The irony!!

[@benji4840]

😂

[@lonerider5315]

When you actually think war thunder has "leaks"😂😂😂😂 But its actually all public info

[@cm275]

@@lonerider5315He’s referring to the dude who posted classified data on the WT message boards to flex for his buddies.

[@vnctmrn]

looking at the sky through NVG's made me realize just how many satellites there are above us. it's crazy.

[@dominuslogik484]

The Sky unironically is full of eyes always watching, thankfully its rare they are interested in watching you specifically.

[@mralmostknowitall]

​@@dominuslogik484 imagine them shuttind down sat downs cuz of the cringe they have to watch on daily basis if it was focussed on doofuses like us. 😂

[@cadennorris960]

@@dominuslogik484Rare? It’s non existent, they aren’t watching individuals with a satellite.

[@dominuslogik484]

@@cadennorris960 they do track individuals with satellites, along with an array of other tools but those individuals will be people worth watching such as high ranking officials of foreign governments. and of course though they might be tracking the person they really are just watching their cellphone move around or their fitbit watch or their car/private jet.

[@judd0112]

And unknown things. That blew my mind

[@texasranger24]

2:18 to skip the ad

[@MadJustin7]

I would feel bad but I'm honestly never going to download warthunder no matter how good the ad is. So the intent is entirely lost on me and there's no reason to waste my time.

[@adrianbalboa5353]

Have we got another Elon on our hands.

[@seansmith5955]

Not all heros wear capes

[@Commander-leo]

Thx

[@jj4791]

War thunder was an incredible realistic WWII flight simulator back in 2014-2015 when I played it.

[@omarrp14]

They should just announce that some of the satellites belong to just random departments. Like a brand new top-of-the-line spy satellite belongs to the department of education because they’re trying to learn what the enemy has.

[@xerogue]

yeah i’m sure everyone will believe that

[@omarrp14]

@@xerogue I’m glad you agree, I would believe it too.

[@xerogue]

@@omarrp14 maybe only americans 😂

[@omarrp14]

@@xerogue maybe only Americans can afford to give the department of labor spy satellites to watch people on smoke breaks that are taking too long

[@xerogue]

@@omarrp14 guess you can save a lot of money leaving millions of homeless and spending money on gender programs instead 🤡😂

[@nebufabu]

The number of various three-letter-agency watchlists this channel is on must be legendary.

[@trespire]

Perhaps, but the story of the dedicated men & women working tirelessly in the shadows to protect us all, needs to be told, security clearance permitting. These agencies deserve more credit for the work they did and are still doing.

[@lucasokeefe7935]

Yeahhhh maybe not as much credit as you seem to imply. Dragnet spying on the entire US population is something to be condemned, not celebrated.

[@aleksandarabas6618]

all of them

[@cracklingvoice]

NSA, NRO, CIA, and FBI at minimum.

[@Chiberia]

11:07 - almost 100% the images of the "burn up" are a secondary payload designed to burn up in the atmosphere and act as deceptive imagery

[@dianapennepacker6854]

Agreed. I would bet money on it.

[@slartybarfastb3648]

Probably just the Falcon 2nd stage. They do this after every launch. Typically far from land, but SpaceX could deorbit the stage anywhere it, or the customer, choose after a certain point.

[@samhazzard3810]

More like masking the final trajectory of the package by interference.

[@devonwilliams2423]

I heard they cram as much hopes and dreams as possible into every little crevice available Then as the spy satellite floats off into the distance, the rest of America gets to watch our hopes and dreams twinkle as they turn todust on re-entry 🦅 🇺🇸 🎆

[@GodGuy8]

the eye in the sky.. but fr that wayback machine document might get removed soon

[@SableMoon]

What?

[@fijiwaters]

link?

[@teresabenson3385]

8:49

[@siliconvalleyengineer5875]

In the 1980's I was a electronics technician at TRW in Sunnyvale, CA. At the time TRW was building electronic components for TDRSS, LandSat, Shuttle and Cassandra satellite's. At the time they were state of the art satellites, however the military satellites of the 2020's are 10X more powerful.

[@jamesanderson6882]

Hey! look! what a coincidence, that black van that was parked outside my house last week is back! 😃

[@samhazzard3810]

Sorry, it was supposed to be a blue Accord.

[@Gnomezonbacon]

The sky has electronic ears.

[@themaskedarabrussian]

Mr.Cabal, welcome back! We have missed you!

[@MacTac141]

Agent Smith?

[@themaskedarabrussian]

@@MacTac141 I have borrowed that quote from him. Although that is true, I like this channel.)

[@THX..1138]

Current US spy sat resolution is likely far better than Trump's tweet. There is no reason spy sats can't use adaptive optics like modern ground based astronomical telescopes do. In fact the tech should work considerably better for spy sats as they are looking at well lit known objects. As in if you have a shape in view like a building you know absolutely for sure what that building looks like and so atmospheric distortion can be much more accurately corrected. Virtually any man made object in view of known size and shape can provide accurate correction data. Moreover on top of adaptive optics which physically change shape in real time to correct atmospheric distortion. With a spy sat it can be done in software, where you take dozens or hundreds of pictures. An AI then again using known objects in the images studies how the waves of distortion move through the images, it then constructs a new image with the distortion filtered out....I would guess in current sats atmospheric distortion in the best weather conditions can be almost totally eliminated. Current spy sats are probably rubbing up against diffraction-limited angular resolution.

[@Lykapodium]

1.22 lambda/D

[@trespire]

For anyone interested, the push to develope the first CORONA optical satelite, and the launch system to get into orbit, is a fascinating story of overcoming impossible engineering challanges, involving a meriad of expertese from Eastman Kodak to Coca Cola to Corning glassworks.

[@johndawson6057]

Any good resource to peruse?

[@420Khatz]

Any vids you reccomend???

[@yuglesstube]

Yes. Also see Hexagon. The Shuttle was the size it was to carry it.

[@yuglesstube]

XB37? What does it do? Great show.

[@bloodyissue8296]

I like the Military Industrial Complex very much

[@bholdr----0]

....it does make for some good content fodder.

[@sugandesenuds6663]

hell yeah bröther

[@Majilikin]

Your social credit score has been increased by 5. Thank you citizen, have a patriotic day.

[@bloodyissue8296]

@@Majilikin thanks but since when is the chinese comie Credit score on homeland freedom

[@Majilikin]

@@bloodyissue8296 Your social credit score has been deducted 10 points. Further deductions will result in reeducation, internment, or both. Have a patriotic day, citizen.

[@claybair4904]

I had an uncle that worked on satellite cameras back in the 1970s he said they could take a photo from space of a pack of cigarettes , and be able to read the warning label

[@bigthunder7002]

Now they can just plug right in to you 😎

[@gregaiken1725]

not true, if you mean from space.

[@azerty97212]

Cap

[@olivertaylor8788]

TRUE

[@johnpalacios5914]

Your videos are some of my favorite. It’s pretty amazing how you get the information you do; it’s all so interesting. Please keep making these!

[@AsaTrenchard1865]

Back in the 1970s my crew flew KH-9s and KH-11s with the help of our buddy Cray 👍 It's amazing what details show when pix are blown up to the size of banquet tables.

[@nemonatussum7040]

no mention of the "Bat Sats" as i like to call em that use echo location to take pictures, one rumor i heard is that if it flies over an airbase and a hanger door is open it can see what's in there!

[@AvocadoAfficionado]

Sar - Synthetic aperture radar. Radar is mentioned.

[@andreahighsides7756]

Super old tech at this point

[@lordgarion514]

Yeah, but he was talking about the abilities of different sats, but he completely ignored the ability of SAR to see through clouds and rain. 67% of Earth is covered by clouds, on average. Making SAR one of the most important satellites we use.

[@mcorbin9474]

@@AvocadoAfficionado 🤣

[@andrewc1036]

Echolocation? No

[@markcristianfacun3280]

Finally! You've Uploaded Again 👌

[@IrrationalCharm]

Vlad!! Write that down!! Write that DOWN!!!

[@Hasan-jf7by]

Don't worry. They know everything.

[@IrrationalCharm]

@@Hasan-jf7by doesn't seem like it.

[@MemesOfProduction69]

​​@@Hasan-jf7by be realistic little Russian bot. People on this channel aren't always ignorant tankies

[@atakorkut5110]

I think he meant to say that we (United States)know everything, and that we have penetrated Russian intelligence through and through because of the corruption in Russia😂

[@dkoz8321]

@@Hasan-jf7by No, they just think they do.

[@arkeezy]

Great video! always love when you drop a new video!

[@bowlofsoup7721]

I'm amazed how much info people can dig up on government activities. Keep up the great work.

[@papuass4878]

8:00 Oh, I found my house in this picture.

[@Emu0181]

...and who knows what the X-37b is up to...

[@trespire]

Piloted my chipmunks in airforce jumpsuits !!

[@zacklewis342]

Just testing new technologies, it's too small to do anything significant.

[@collinbarnard207]

@@zacklewis342you guys all know so much more than I do about this topic. I’ve never felt so ignorant. Any recommendations as to what I could watch/listen to/read to learn more about this stuff?

[@andrewc1036]

@@collinbarnard207 nice try China

[@berrigo2]

thanks tank counting guy, keep up the good work!

[@Cyclegladiator]

I worked on SBIRS (Space Based Infrared Satellite) at Northrop Grumman 😎

[@samhazzard3810]

Vlad will contact you. You like bagel, yes? Creamed cheeses?

[@Yuki_Ika7]

Awesome! Thank you for your work and service (i know not the typical kind of service but just as if not more important)!

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[@marsspacex6065]

The NRO is about to launch the new constellation built by SpaceX. May 19. You missed this it’s called the proliferated architecture. It uses spacex laser links so you have real time coverage.

[@MrKhan-td9ux]

Starshield... And suddendly we don't need replacement for the ancient AWACS!

[@rkan2]

​@@MrKhan-td9uxSpace capabilities have been one of the big reasons why there hasn't really been any moves to replaces AWACS... I guess that will only change once somebody causes the Kessler Syndrome.

[@russkepler]

​@@rkan2Kessler syndrome won't affect things in geostationary orbit. In fact, it would increase their protection by further limiting asat capabilities.

[@Pyrotec_nick]

No mention of Synthetic Aperture Radar?

[@jasonmurphy9647]

Spacex are putting up several thousand satellites for a few billion to provide internet. Imagine that number of SAR satellites in the same sort of orbits as Starlink. Given that there’s been a couple of Starlink launches with modified satellites for the defence department maybe someone has thought about it.

[@OtherWorldExplorers]

Covert caball sponsoring war thunder. Now I know where he gets this really cool information from

[@MedicalMyke]

As someone who used to work in and around space birds, they not only have the abilities you've mentioned, also a couple more that have yet to be discovered.

[@gregaiken1725]

since you know this topic, im interested to learn more about how the birds' location in orbit gets constantly corrected. can you suggest terms for me to search? or videos to watch?

[@worm3165]

​@@gregaiken1725opsec

[@Odin31b]

Wtf? I thought I was subscribed to this channel. I have missed so much! Input input!!

[@mikebar42]

U probably unsubscribed at some point because most of their videos are click bait bs

[@omegaz3393]

I don't know how sophisticated U.S. satellites are, but I was in a car lot buying a new car. I was having trouble reading the fine print in the contract. The DOD apparently realizing sent me a text picture of the contract. The fine print was now easily readable.😉

[@dougtaylor7724]

You do not look up at the sky. The sky looks down on you.

[@ares106]

1:19 how can the most comprehensive military vehicle combat simulator pretend like no infantry has ever existed on the battlefield? This is why I can never take that game seriously.

[@faiq026]

Simplification exists because it's not worth the dev's time to add a feature that'd probably cause a lot of bugs and issues while at the same time have little impact on players' experience. Competitive multiplayer games are different from RPG games, in that if you play it what makes you feel immersed is the feeling of competing with other players, not feeling like you're in a real real combat. Same thing for games like CS2(bombing sites as terrorists) or COD(launching nukes), the narratives there are just packages, not the content itself Edit: the game never claims to be a combat sim, it's just a military based online game.

[@ares106]

@@faiq026 Good points, I don't think it's a bad game, rather it's not a game for me. I'm all for devs have a concise vision and restricting features that are out of scope. It's just that for me I can never get around the fact that no infantry exists especially in a game that tries to be so realistic and historical and great at simulating damage models and so on. Another pet peeve (not sure if war thunder is an offender) if when these free to play online games put a random mish mash of vehicles from different nations on the same team. I can't get around the Battleship Yammato and HMS Hood fighting as allies. But I understand these are concessions to making a free to play MP battle arena game, which is why I can never take these games seriously.

[@SaxyPlayer96]

Huh? It does no such thing

[@youngstunna1594]

@@ares106as you know country’s one another have been conquered time and time again…your bound to find fighters indigenous to one nation but will be flying for another…, or something similar.

[@ImperiumLibertas]

War thunder is by no means a simulator.

[@rickward5796]

Hey, you were at the Space Symposium! I recognized the Redwire booth with Dean and Spence doing one of their talks.

[@UNYEILDING]

New spy sats getting canceled due to cost overruns sounds exactly like the kind of excuse the gov would give.

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This video brought to you by the greatest intelligence agency, War thunder.

[@standavitek2248]

great vid mate!

[@anthonyanth8368]

Great video as all ways

[@HighBoss]

Interesting stuff mate. Thanks

[@2x2is22]

10:17 Yeaaa... that's not a satellite

[@jvbutalid8316]

Perun's the classroom teacher, Covert Cabal is the cool kid that drops bangers every now and then, and War Thunder forums are the back row of the class that's always called out for being either too noisy or too based

[@teresabenson3385]

Where does Suchomimius fit in?

[@jvbutalid8316]

@@teresabenson3385 I never heard of him. Well, thanks for giving me another KZbinr to check out lmao

[@rotors_taker_0h]

I'm working with satellite imagery and was very interested in history of satellite resolution and I still never realized that US had

[@judd0112]

The VELA incident. The U.S. didn’t want to let the cat out of the bag by saying that they detected it and knew what it was. & that was I can’t remember 70’s 80’s? South Atlantic Ocean or South Indian Ocean. Off coast of south Africa. Either was a meteor that burnt up and air burst or something else Israel testing its nuclear weapons?

[@AngusAbbott-qf8xm]

Great video yet again 👍🏼🇬🇧

[@Noone-jn3jp]

Bro! Under no circumstances are they not making new imaging sats. Production, “overruns”, then cancellation is known OPSEC technique

[@wmk4454]

Suddenly the US government is super competent even though every other program like the Zumwalt, LCS, F35 fail and Ukraine is losing

[@Noone-jn3jp]

@@wmk4454 I don’t think you understand how the US government keeps thing secret. Are they incompetent at times, yes, but within all of that they are very good at paperwork and use their faults as a way to distract and bury information. Never forget Hubble is an “extra” (they still actually have 2 more) spay sat turned in the other direct. What was just recently launched? The James Webb Telescope. If you think the spy’s didn’t help develop and are not using the new technology you’re crazy.

[@wmk4454]

​@@Noone-jn3jpwell good luck with that hypersonic weapon lol

[@spherevsgravity]

great stuff

[@thegodofhellfire]

One of your finest videos.

[@nihil2157]

Key takeways: 1) Top-priority information must be shared by personal meetings or paper info. 2) For quick info transfer utilization of em shielded wire network is needed. 3) False information, attack by volume and other methods are requred for operational control. 4) A potential weakness that can be exploited is an attack on enemy SIGNINT capabilities via EMP devices, potentially nuclear in principle, would lead to operational blindness that can be further exploited.

[@samhazzard3810]

The greatest threat to Rome was? A) Carthage B) Gaul C) Greece D) Rome Pray that Alexander goes East, Hannibal is called home and Greece remains fat and happy, but most of all pray that Rome is not given over to decadent ethics. Legions are, but they cannot fight for nothing.

[@heartofarebel4098]

Best one stop bit of info on the overall satellite capabilities! Thanks Cabal!!

[@LoungeSpecialist]

I'd be interested to find out more about, or even the existence of, Ground-Penetrating Radar satellites or Magnetic Anomaly Detector satellites.

[@JinKee]

If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. - Bertrand Russell

[@tambokavz]

This is some serious stuff

[@eprofessio]

There are literally space soldiers sitting in orbital observation stations. You will never find any information on them period. They go up for periods ranging from 90 days on. I don’t know how they get up there or how they get home.

[@kellymoses8566]

Machine learning combined with hyper-spectral imaging could be incredibly powerful.

[@slartybarfastb3648]

The video missed the most interesting platforms in space. Those which don't only passively watch or listen, but actively interfere with enemy electronics and signals.

[@peterwilkinson1975]

Cool video!

[@polarbear122]

You’re my fav KZbinr

[@divyanshuPradhan-ld9fi]

Cia- which country you work for? Channel - war of thunder😂😂😂

[@mrricky3816]

Thanks!

[@Impure-go3hs]

You can just tell the seriousness of any US military project by how spooky its name sounds.

[@ecleveland1]

I was told by someone that used to work in this area that the Government could read what brand of cigarette you were smoking from the pictures of the pack of cigarettes taken from space. They didn’t specify which satellite camera was used only that was the level of resolution. Being able to read the writing on a pack of cigarettes is pretty impressive.

[@zmblion]

Now and days id believe it. When i was a kid 25 yrs ago or so i found a website that you could make out cars in real time. Now all that junk is behind paywalls or non existent

[@gregaiken1725]

do the math, its just not true... from space height and atmospheric distortions.

[@CalgarGTX]

This is an armchair guess but I'm pretty sure they have all the keyhole satellites they need, the best exemple of this is the hubble telescope was more or less a spare they forgot in a warehouse and gave away to NASA so they could repurpose it. I also wouldn't underestimate the combined capabilities of china/russia+the other ork legions these days, quite a lot of what they send to space is described with a vague ' earth observation satellite ' as payload, pretty sure most of these are military intelligence payloads of some kind.

[@tachikomakusanagi3744]

Is that 3 concordes at 8:07? Must be an airshow maybe...

[@zacklewis342]

Tu-144, the Soviet equivalent. Bigger, faster, crashier.

[@tachikomakusanagi3744]

@@zacklewis342 I appreciate the reply but the wings are too curved, the Tu-144 had very angular wings

[@jonhammshog]

starshield program might prove to be pretty capable.

[@w3vjp568]

I would love to know what we have now, seeing that we had shit 20+ years ago that is still classified and still thought of as science fiction.

[@ob1cannobody]

Ahh, my house is covered in tin foil, they'll never spot me🤪

[@wstavis3135]

Wise.....😂

[@korakys]

That actually kinda makes sense. The tin foil is to stop radio transmissions and people can have a lot of interesting radio transmissions in their house these days, phone calls, text messages, wifi in general. Would be a bit cheaper to just encrypt your messaging though.

[@cedriceric9730]

​@@korakysit does that and more

[@samhazzard3810]

It's not actual tin. Oh shit, Vlad is listening.

[@mikebar42]

Like when u put it on the end of an antenna... I think u just turned your home into a beacon 😅

[@StevenBanks123]

“Satellites coordinated from - Novato” Novato, California? That’s where Scott Manley flies out of!

[@jwn2003]

Cue Todd Howard: “16x the detail!”

[@krap101]

You missed the opportunity to use that clip from Walle

[@mindaugasbaliukevicius2001]

Thanks

[@RichardWilliamLawson]

Good video brother

[@Terracotta-warriors_Sea]

Excellent video! Please make similar videos on China and India satellite capabilities too! They are the upcoming space powers

[@ironman8257]

Yes warthunder is very good game. Its just one day snail decides if HSTVL rounds will do damage or not:)

[@jvbutalid8316]

One of the greatest collabs as of late: Covert Cabal...and War Thunder. Heh.

[@Marc-vc1wo]

lol, is that E Howard Hunt in the video making a brief cameo? Mr CIA himself?

[@joeyjamison5772]

I thought it was former CIA Director Richard Helms.

[@painthuret]

I've always wondered if the satellite capabilities observed in sicarios 2 day of soldado were realistic. Thank you

[@rkan2]

Likely more advanced than that.

[@zacklewis342]

That could have been from an aerial platform as well.

[@bill-nn1vp]

what hypersinic weapons?

[@BadEnergyJohn]

Good shit

[@mtranchi]

0:32 grammar police checking in with a friendly warning: It's it's, not its. :) the super easy way to check is to substitute with "it is" and if it makes sense, it's right, if not, it's wrong. p.s. Thanks for losing the affected voice. Please do so on your other channels as well

[@startek119]

From a certain perspective, recon sats have had the most impact on keeping the world safe

[@jock-of-ages73]

Why did they miss mh370? Or did they?

[@MrWhite2222]

They almost certainly know exactly what happened, but to say so would give information about capabilities away to adversaries. It's possible multiple countries watched what happened, but again, same reasons.

[@martinondrus6344]

What were they suppose to miss? One second its there, the other its crashing down

[@jock-of-ages73]

@@martinondrus6344 Location!

[@peterwolf4230]

Even with a lot of satellites, it's a massive world. I still expect they know what happened, but it's not guaranteed.

[@jock-of-ages73]

@@peterwolf4230 the SBIRS and other high earth orbit satellites are filming the whole globe 24/7 , then there's the SOSA sea based sensors too, they apparently heard nothing, but they did hear that sub implode at the Titanic, 1 week before the press release. My point is, they MUST know where it is and what happened.

[@jaredwhite489]

I’m on a list now just for watching this

[@littlehills739]

how do country's allocate or fight for satellite orbit allocations ? like can i just say i want 300 sats at this altitude

[@zacklewis342]

First come, first served except geostationary orbit, which is a tight ring and has an international allocation system. Near-Earth space is thousands of times more vast than the oceans and 300 truck-sized objects is nothing.

[@sirdewd2197]

14:51 that’d be cool

[@pyrho1]

Awesome

[@87MasterJ]

And dont forget the X-37 B - actually a "pretty easy" upgradeable satellite that could do IMGINT, SIGINT, ELINT what not all together. I would love to see an OSINT cabality check for China 👍

[@cynthiaherbst3909]

I think it recently did a 2year mission right? Like you said too, no public information is available for what it has on board.

[@zacklewis342]

Nope, its payload is way too small to much besides research. Two of those could fit in Shuttle's payload bay.

[@George_Soros.]

You can use glass as a shield 😂 , it’s invisible

[@alexan07]

Please do China next. Great video. Thanks!

[@sirdewd2197]

8:54 lol you think they standstill?

[@Reskilober]

Lmao of course Warthunder is the sponsor for a video on military intelligence

[@nicholaslandolina]

You gauge launch by the HFC in air

[@lukachew32]

God, I love my nation's defense budget

[@alexcane6458]

10:30 Ted Molzcan, and he did...

[@markmilan57]

This time we need a satellite that could spy over enemy satellites from far away.

[@TomScott__]

What is the comparable resolution at 60,000 ft attached to a slow moving balloon?

[@zacklewis342]

Effectively the same as LEO, because they're both above 99% of the atmosphere, which is what limits seeing.

[@gregaiken1725]

​​@@zacklewis342if you knew about optics, youd realize the difference between 60,000 ft and 200 km is massive. an optic having same focal lx in both altitudes, will realize much greater detail at 60k feet than can be realized in leo.

[@andrewlaco1776]

8:08 three concords, two MiG 23/27s???🧐