The True Identity of Golden Freddy & Fredbear | FNaF Lore Theory

In this Video, we take a deeper dive The Canonicity of The Fazbear Frights Series, some conflicting assumptions surrounding The Vengeful Spirit & Cassidy, and some interesting connections between Fredbear & Golden Freddy. Thoroughly enjoyed reading through the Comments on the last Video so that I could know what to specifically focus on in this Video. I had planned to do a follow up, but it felt Extra Special to have that sort of material to work off of.
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0:00 The Fazbear Frights Continuity
0:53 What is GoldenDuo?
1:35 The Ultimate Guide
2:43 The Vengeful Spirit
4:31 The Fredbear Suit
6:18 The 5th MCI Victim
7:06 The Missing Children's Incident
8:40 Golden Freddy's True Identities
9:04 The Fredbear Rebranding
9:58 Cassidy & Andrew
10:31 Outro & Credits
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- (FNaF World) Broken 8-Bit
- (FFPS) Smashing Windshields
- (UCN) Last Breath
- (UCN) Where Dreams Die
- (SB) Sleep No More Remastered
- (SL) Venta Black
- (FNaF World) 8-Bit Travel 1
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[@benjaminnrgaard5266]

Hi @Under_Score After I watched this video, I on second thought can indeed see that Cassidy and Andrew being Golden Freddy could maybe add up. I dont know if I believe it, but I must say that I am intrigued what would happen next in part 3. I would say that it's weird why Andrew is not been mentioned in a cipher/puzzle in the Security Logbook, if he is so relevant to Golden Freddy. In my mind that book was to reveal the names of Golden Freddy (the 2 entities talking in the book) Cassidy and most likely the name Eva(n). But Andrew is nowhere to be found. Another thing is, if Andrew and Cassidy is Golden Freddy, then how does the "It's Me" quote even make sense? I always saw the "It's Me" qoute to be about CC trying to say: "Michael, It's Me, your little brother!" (or something like that). But if Evan is not in the suit, then who says "It's Me"? And why are they saying it? And why to specificly Michael? Both Andrew and Cassidy (for what we know) dont know who Michael is. Why would they say that to him? Another fundimental question is then to be asked: Why do Andrew and Cassidy even talk to Michael? Why do they find him relevant? Michael is not part of their famliy, why would any of the 2 spirits even use their time on him? I would also like to add, that CC still is relevant in the Lore. If Andrew and Cassidy is Golden Freddy, then CC needs to be Shadow Freddy and Nightmare (and maybe a golden trio?). CC needs to be Nightmare, because Michael is experincing CC's memories and (according to your theory) Andrews in 1993 (Phone guy being an audio in FNAF 4 at the night gameplay). But else I really liked your video, argumentation and observations/evidence Under_Score. And I hope you would make an part 3, that would be amazing. Have a good day Under_Score :))

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

The "it's Me" thing is not even only related to Golden Freddy specifically,literally all the fnaf 1 gang is associated with it,and even The Puppet in fnaf 2. In fnaf 1,it's literally just the spirits mixing up Mike for William,as they always do. I don't really think i agree with Under_Score,but thats really not an argument. Also,you know,FollowVictim exists,so really,ShadowVictim and GoldenVictim/Duo are really not the only ways BV is important.

[@benjaminnrgaard5266]

@@bernardomiguelgamer5295 We never see the original gang contacting Michael. Only Golden Freddy, therefore it's Golden Freddy saying "It's Me". I do agree that CC does have a relevance than just being in golden freddy yes.

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

@@benjaminnrgaard5266 The original "It's Me" hallucinations to Mike in fnaf 1 are literally in images with Bonnie and Freddy being creepy,it also appears sometimes when Foxy and Chica are about to attack.It's not just Golden Freddy.

[@benjaminnrgaard5266]

@@bernardomiguelgamer5295 That is a fair argument. I just dont see what the 4 other spirits wants to say "It's me". What do they mean with "It's me" then? It does seem to be 1 person. And Golden Freddy is again, the only person who is able to contact with Michael. Which means Golden Freddy can maniplulate Michael's hallucinations. So I think the faces of the other animatronics is just something Golden Freddy creates. Your argument is as good as mine, but mine does answer questions and not create questions. While if we say it's the other 4 spirits, questions is created. It must be about the simplest explanation that answers most questions with the least creation of unanswered questions.

[@bernardomiguelgamer5295]

@@benjaminnrgaard5266 "It's Me" is the spirits thinking Mike is William and warning that they are still there and coming for him.Unless you believe that BV is Cassidy/the 5th MCI victim the message straight up can't even be about BV because he straight up didin't exist in the story yet,and i see 0 evidence it was retconned or recontextualized to mean something completly different than what it meant originally. And what do you mean only Golden Freddy can contact Mike?Thats not stated anywhere...At all.

[@Xainos28]

This is interesting, my only problem is that Andrew is never seen or heard in the games. We know two kids relating to Golden Freddy is CC and Cassidy as they are shown in games connected to him through deaths. And with the logbook backing it up that these two specifically can talk to each other while in the GF suit is parallel to Andrew and Jack talking to each other in the stitchwraith.

[@TheWarriorVA]

Hold on. The "It's Me" hallucinations now have taken on a whole new meaning. Most people believe it was the Crying Child communicating with Michael. But hold on just a minute. It is stated that Michael and William looked a lot alike, correct? What if the "It's Me" isn't a brother talking to a brother. But instead, Andrew trying to scare what he would perceive as William. "It's Me." The one you shouldn't have killed. "It's me." The vengeful spirit. That actually makes a lot of sense.

[@TheWarriorVA]

@Under_Score I was wondering if we could talk on Discord? I have been in the Fnaf community since the release of Fnaf 2 and would love to have someone to discuss theories with. I would love to help you formulate these theories. If you are interested then I will send my tag!

[@adammartinez8061]

So Andrew is the vengeful spirit?????

[@Nolan_Studios_OFFICIAL]

His name is actually either Chris or Evan.

[@Nolan_Studios_OFFICIAL]

@Egeded lord Okay.

[@ethanlukemapanao6682]

cyring kid will not be agiasnt william becasue william did not kill him you do not know only murdered people by a killer will take revenge

[@darkman4204]

I think the Bite victim is still part of golden Freddy, I know you didn't mention this but there's still a lot of correlations between the Bite victim and Golden Freddy, The fact that it says "it's me" to Mike. The fact that Mike is having nightmares of Nightmare Fredbear, The conversation of the Bite Victim and Cassidy in the survival log book, the fact that golden Freddy only appears at certain points that involve Michael or William. I still think that Andrew and Cassidy are souls that are inside golden Freddy but what's not to say that both the Bite Victim, Cassidy and Andrew are the ones that are in Golden Freddy. Who said it had to be two?

[@Under_Score]

I’d love to dig Into all of that in Part 3, There’s still a lot about The Crying Child to talk about, let’s just say a GoldenTrio isn’t ruled out yet, I’ve just gotta think about it more.

[@OzoneYT]

Wow, what another great video! I really do agree with all this, but the thing that will put the cherry on top for me is explaining how Cassidy truly is separate from Andrew and not just a classic Fazbear Fright parallel. The answers to the questions of where is Cassidy in Fazbear Frights and I guess where is Andrew in the games would really tie this whole thing together, so I can't wait for a part three. :) Edit: Oh and also where does the Bite Victim fit into all of this? What are the implications for him if he were also to become Gregory?

[@agonyremnanttrap6789]

Personally, Andrew might be TOYSNHK, but I'm not even sure what Scott would include with him being TOYSNHK. You even have 6 victims in HappiestDay, not 7. Great theory btw.

[@SkyBlew]

Nice video/theory! 😃 Great point about why/how Andrew would be in the Fredbear suit... & yea it would definitely make sense for it to be Andrew in Golden Freddy as well. That's why Golden Freddy has more power than any other animatronic. That *rage/agony* is fueling him + having multiple souls bound to the suit. I wonder when will we see more of Andrew in the game... 🤔

[@Gh0st_Gaming_321]

Video and editing fire (as always) But more than that the theory part was very good in this video and I LOVE the fredbear idea, it makes perfect sense to me. Keep up the good work.

[@zombiem3mes441]

your theories just keep getting better

[@TheCollector-ql1xv]

0:24 Look Ma there I am I’m famous!

[@b1uegamer222]

Madlad finally did it!

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

So proud of you dude

[@TheCollector-ql1xv]

@@ThiccFurryBoi34 Me and my friend here were both frozen in fear when we read a notification saying “ThiccFurryBoi69 replied” I hope your proud of yourself lol

[@lobstatank9943]

Congrats on getting that sweet internet clout!

[@JD-xz1mx]

I just don't buy that the key to understanding so much of the games is in a character that appears nowhere in the games, but only in a minor short story in a children's chapter book only a tiny percentage of fans will ever read.

[@Sketch-ic6jf]

So if Andrew's the vengeful spirit, is Cassidy even important anymore and is she the Princess in Princess Quest?

[@rvida_]

She's the Princess in Princess quest. Confirmed.

[@chair448]

Bit off topic, but you brought up midnight motorist and i had an idea of what that mound in the forest could be. The popular theory is that its the entrance to SL, but that seems like such a weird detail. Dont you think thatd be like an actual building, considering theres an elevator and employees need to enter and exit every day? I had the idea it could be the box. Obviously the contents of the box have changed over the years, but i think at the time of PS releasing, the box had a note to Michael along with a key to circus baby's. William put them in the box and buried it in the woods by the house, feeling guilt for killing his own daughter and being unable to undo it. He knew someone would have to free her but couldnt bring himself to face what happened, so he buried the box for Michael to find. As rhe quote goes: "Some things are best left forgotten, for now." Edit: just saw your last theory, and it did feel pretty satisfying, but that still leaves questions of why theres a mound in the middle of the woods that you can look at for no reason, and why Andrew's dad would know its there. Seems odd

[@Under_Score]

Gonna be honest I love that idea about The Box so much. Even though it's wildly loose like every other Theory about The Box, I'll definitely look into it. I'm also interested in the mound and still not sure what it might be, but not that I've thought about it, it'd have to have something to do with Andrew with how its near his house in the middle of nowhere. That's all very interesting.

[@BDTMack]

Really fascinating video. Same with the previous one. I had never considered that the story of the Stitchwrath could be cannon to the games, but the fact that they are linked through the Ultimate Guide is quite compelling evidence. It opens up a world of possibilities too. I would be really excited to watch a Part 3 to these theories! The previous theory video was the first of yours I've seen and now I'm keen to watch through your previous uploads!

[@MangoMaaaannn]

Amazing. Thank you for this video i will subscribe :)

[@Cxsonn]

I have a question about this theory: if the Bite Victim doesn't possess Golden Freddy, than why does Golden Freddy say "It's Me" to the night guard (Michael Afton) in _Five Nights at Freddy's?_

[@fakeluva9846]

Nice theory, i like that Andrew and Cassidy are the two spirits Golden Freddy but if Crying Child is not apart to Golden Freddy then he's like Shadow Freddy like u said in one theory video or something else and also the "It's me" quote? (Sorry if i miss something i wasn't into the fnaf lore for a while)

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

If Evan is shadow Freddy was he the reason the fnaf 1 robots were dismantled by William after they followed him in the safe room and why was he in fnaf 2 part and service and then who is shadow bonnie

[@heyitzmae]

so far the one major hole i see in this is that it’s highly implied that midnight motorist occurs after william killed charlie since it’s called “later that night” in the files, and that feels like an irrelevant detail that scott wouldn’t add for only him to see unless those two mini games were somehow tied together. aside from that i could definitely see this as a possibility

[@tomast7339]

I watched this and the other video and I absulotly love this theory! I'm so glad that I found another person who support the theory that Andrew is the vangful spirit and not Cassidy. I have a little disagreement about Andrew's backstory. but I still love your video.

[@evefroggo4755]

Since this is still technically a fnaf 4 theory(I think) the next vid could focus more on fnaf 4 itself, things like Fredbear plush on minigame 6, why Michael is Foxybro instead of bv, how the gameplay works, who bv becomes, and whats in the box

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

Uh dude matpat already proved that Micheal is the big bro and the crying child name is Evan thx to Reddit

[@Ms_Pinball]

@@ThiccFurryBoi34 reddit got the name evan blatantly wrong though, the evangrid didn't even work

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

@@Ms_Pinball take it or leave it it’s better then being called crying child

[@TrickyTurtle123]

@@ThiccFurryBoi34 matpat didn’t debunk it especially his debunk is sucks. To me his mikebot theory is better then the debunking (to me it feels like its lacking evidence).

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

@@TrickyTurtle123 I mean why would he make a entire video debunking a name at that point it sounds mean

[@zelz3011]

These theories are certainly interesting on how they take little details which might be Easter eggs and give them reasons. ~ I thought the Multiple Springlock Failures was the Bite because Springlocks multiple being the Fredbear suit multiple of them failing in the Jaw and going down. ~~ If not that then the springlocks that created Shadow Bonnie and Shadow Freddy. So 3? Puppet? Shadow? Hm.

[@sgt.thurgood5021]

its cool to see another five nights fan

[@suzanneperkins1541]

@Under_Score where can I find the 8-bit Fredbear and Golden Freddy sprites/ renders? I've checked all of the links and they're not on any of them.

[@cristaleraa]

been loving all of your videos lately!❤

[@koolkatastrophe6153]

I think Evan is part of Golden Freddy too. Because at the end of game 4 that’s when he dies and you can hear William saying he will “put him back together”

[@Nolan_Studios_OFFICIAL]

Scott Cawthon said the Crying Child’s name is Evan. Edit: Not Andrew.

[@bullymaguire632]

Imagine if the explanation was so much simpler than that and fredbear is just a nickname for freddy fazbear and since there's already a freddy fazbear the nickname ends up being golden Freddy's

[@pendantalt]

I always thought it was kelsey who was the one you should not have killed, cuz of the looks both fitting

[@jojoboi8854]

So this is all really cool, but what about the crying child where does he fit in all of this

[@Under_Score]

Stay tuned for Part 3

[@motheredtiger4195]

@@Under_Score you know the crying child's name is Evan.

[@motheredtiger4195]

@@Under_Score right?

[@pmode]

@@motheredtiger4195 not confirmed, plus it doesn’t really matter what his name is

[@itsatticuss]

very true even tho i havent even started the video

[@pugtatogaymer6269]

Doesn't the sprite of a headless fredbear in parts and service have brown hair sticking out of it?

[@Under_Score]

The idea was Andrew getting stuffed into Fredbear After the Bite. We're still not sure if that's actually Hair or not

[@spongebobguy2cook]

Well interested Cassidy appearance in FNAFSB as the Princess Makes me unsure

[@Dreadpirate56]

Yessssss more content

[@agott6346]

Definitely an interesting video to watch, but there are still a few things that make me second-guess this theory. One, right before the Crying Child’s death, he was told that he’d be put back together. if being “put back together” doesn’t mean possessing GF, what could that mean? Two, how do we know for sure that Andrew is part of the game lore/universe? There is 0 proof that he’s a part of it, whether it be the gravestones of the missing children, or anything else. And I have a way to prove it. With the 6 gravestones showed at the end of FFPS, we know that they belong to Jeremy, Gabriel, Susie, Fritz, and Cassidy. But what about that 6th one far into the distance? That is Charlotte’s gravestone. But, Charlotte wasn’t involved in the MCI, but her gravestone is still shown. So it would only make sense for “Andrew’s” gravestone to be there too, despise not being involved. But it’s not there. Third point: If CC isn’t in Golden Freddy, who is the other soul communicating with Cassidy in the survival logbook? It couldn’t be Andrew, because the other soul talks about a birthday party, and also about a purple telephone toy, which belonged to CC.

[@NexusWorks924]

My theory on withered golden freddy is that he is the 2nd generation of Fred bear hes not the one that did the bite but is a redesigned Fred bear

[@agonyremnanttrap6789]

*Yes GoldenDuo!!!*

[@TrickyTurtle123]

My only question is. If Golden Freddy is a stitch wraith parallel (how did willam somehow manage to possess it, like Willam is somehow connected). I guess you could go based on the connection that nightmare has with Willam and Golden Freddy in a way (but I wanna see your view on this)

[@Under_Score]

The point was that The Stitchwraith is not a Golden Freddy parallel.

[@ferrythekitten5795]

I'll have to disagree with the theory. You have to explain what happens to BV then, while i don't mind ShadowVictim his ties to Golden Freddy are inseparable, "I will put you back together".

[@Under_Score]

I’ll make sure to do that In Part 3

[@galaxytoast5475]

Under_Score. What do you think about the stitch line games. That the Fazbear frights are in the same continuity as the games?

[@yamyammeowmeow2242]

Owner of The mega pizza plex:Ok mates let’s put a whole mega pizza place that kids will probably get lost in. Me:what the hek

[@Cxsonn]

I wanted to respectfully state a counter-argument of mine. The Ultimate Guide does not imply StitchlineGames. If anything, is implies it's not true. First off, events from different continuities take place in multiple continuities, so FNAF6 happening in the Stitchline doesn't prove StitchlineGames. Secondly, At the beginning of the chapter about Fazbear Frights in TUG, it says the following: "Sometimes fiction--particularly short fiction--can provide a window into important concepts, characters, and technology. These elements can help resolve mysteries of the past or seed new things to come, while also serving as a genuinely terrifying read. The Fazbear Frights series offered all this and more..." To me, this implies that the parallel option is true. If Scott wanted us to know these books were in the games, I'm fairly certain it would have been just outright stated that they were in TUG. However, TUG instead implies that Fazbear Frights ISN'T in the games, and that they are only meant to "provide a window into important concepts, characters, and technology."

[@dumbly-stupid]

Love the video on thing for I thought of tho is that 6 kids dieing in that year means the puppet died in the same year

[@espsiongold2]

There's a kid called drew that talks to susies sister in coming home that has the same descriptions

[@skycreeper0173]

Ok, this is a bit more confusing than I thought. Still, awesome theory.

[@sageseraph5035]

Ok, so it’s been a while since I’ve talked FNAF theories with you guys. I watched this and the last video, and honestly I have to say that I think you’re completely off base. I’m gonna be nice, but don’t expect me to pull my punches! haha I think some of these ideas show a lack of common sense. So, the whole Andrew FNAF 4 idea I think is just bad. Remember, Scott made the FNAF series game by game. When he made FNAF 4 he intended it to work with the first 3 as a single story that was actually told. Having the FNAF 4 gameplay be some random kid that we had no reason to believe in back in 2015 is so unlikely that it’s just absurd. If that was the intention, we ought to just give up ever interpreting anything from Scott Cawthon because FNAF 4 does not show that at all. Besides, it’s clear the BV is the one in the gameplay of FNAF 4 at least originally since the IV, flowers, and pills show up on the bedside showing the gameplay is from the POV of this kid after the bite. Plus Sister Location also implied that these nightmares which in that game were shown to actually be experiments or just plain torture were the BV’s because of the Fredbear Plush next to a walkie talkie in the private room. It’s not Andrew. Furthermore, the Midnight Motorist connection to Andrew is completely unfounded. Like what evidence connects the mini game with Andrew? It just makes sense to you? What? I can see why you’d think it makes sense to be an MCI kid being abducted by William, but seriously you can’t tell me that there’s any piece of evidence in Midnight Motorist that’s supposed to connect with Andrew in Fazbear Frights. It’s absurd. Now, I can definitely understand why you believe the games and the StitchWraith stories are in the same universe. I get it. However, I find this very unlikely. The Freddy Files are definitely not something Scott directly makes. You can tell if you read them. Now, they may have asked Scott some questions or something. I don’t know, but we shouldn’t treat them as some infallible authority. Besides, the reference to FFPS’s fire can easily be interpreted as referring to a similar, near identical event that happened in the Fazbear Fright timeline that isn’t directly shown. It’s the big parallel event to FFPS in which Springtrap was burned which leads into the parallel for UCN, the man in room 1280. Plus, the Ella page in the freddy files would also make the Charlie Novels in the same universe as Fazbear Frights. FNAF 4 is not “FINALLY SOLVED.” You threw some unanswered questions together and some ludicrous idea that Scott Cawthon planned some extra victim of William’s (who happens to also be inside Golden Freddy for no reason) out all the way back in FNAF 4 to get a contrived idea that nobody outside of your online circle of theorists would ever come to the conclusion of. Sorry if I sound harsh. I like you and Cuben, but this all is terribly on the wrong path and definitely not solid in my opinion.

[@cubenfancy]

I can't speak for Under_Score but I will give my two cents on this. 1. I myself am mixed on Andrew being the FNAF 4 experiment victim. Even now. 2. I do think Andrew being the Midnight Motorist runaway kid does make sense given all things considered. 3. To be honest I think it would be absurd if the Stitchwraith wasn't it in the games timeline. Given everything we have now even with in the first book from Tales of the Pizzaplex. I do think the Stitchwraith is in the games timeline. Scott even himself that the Frights would fill in gaps from the past. With Stitchwraith being in the game timeline that would mean filling in the gaps literally. 4. The Ultimate Guide while not infallible. I do think is the most solid book we've gotten when it comes to lore. As for the Ella Page me, Under_Score and some other theorists have thought of how a similar thing with the Ella Doll happens in the games timeline. Which I hope could be a future video topic. 5. I can't speak for his titles really that much. But saying it's a ludicrous idea of thinking that the idea of there being an extra victim, in it of itself is also ridiculous. And I know I get your stance on the meaning of the 7th victim. But considering that it's possible that could have been hinted back as early as FNAF 3 with a child going missing during Stage 01. Which is Fredbear's. Which would be a memory from the BV. Which in this case given the topic would probably be Andrew. Even stuff like UCN and Curse of Dreadbear hint at this. Plus not everyone in his "online circle of theorists" were on board with the idea. As I said above I'm still not entirely on board with it as much given your first paragraph. I didn't come here with the intent to start and argument or some kind of debate since this was more so just me giving my 2 cents on this. I do kinda miss our old debates. But I hope this helped cleared up anything. Hope you are having a good day, or night. If it makes you feel better I did talk to Under_Score and we've thought of some more things.

[@micheallove8177]

This rabbit hole started went matpat included faz goo in his theory I jump into endless rabbit holes of connected red lines, books and plan out interesting theory At this point we as deep divers should likely set rules for ourselves like Scott intention jokes or not.

[@cacokid1489]

What game is being played in the background? Looks like a 3D fangame

[@Doomrobot2B]

Cassidy is referred to as a he in custom night because Scott said it’s not meant to be clear of the gender and I think Cassidy whould have more lore relevance than just being “the 5th missing kid” if there’s was gonna be a movie based off her/him

[@fabianamancilla3497]

Yes, besides that exactly the same thing happened with Charlie in fnaf 2, previously the minigame said "save him" and now we canonically know that the soul in puppet is a girl and not a boy, the same thing could have happened with Cassidy

[@Doomrobot2B]

Did it not say save them?

[@fabianamancilla3497]

@@Doomrobot2B that´s the other minigame

[@theleonpasta7336]

Matpat calls Golden Freddy Fredbear in most of his videos which led me here, because while sure, he has the same hat and is obviously the same golden color, it always seemed just a bit too obvious to call him Fredbear, in FNAF 1 he's implied to not even be an actual physical suit/animatronic in the building with his phantom-like appearances, sure he's in FNAF 2 and withered furthing implying he/it's real, but even in that game Scott intentionally made sure he didn't appear normally just like in FNAF 1, sure he's not nearly as rare as said previous game, but he still appears in a ghostly manner. Sure Ultimate Custom Night basically confirms Fredbear is Golden Freddy, but I still prefer to think that we don't really know who/what Golden Freddy is, and never will.

[@qs6162]

One major issue I have with this theory is, if you're saying that both the games and the fazbear frights (or at least the Stitchwraith stories) share the same storyline, this would imply Eleanor is also "Canon" in the game's lore. If so, how would Eleanor fit in?

[@Lemfern]

Eleanor is said to be a dark entity born from the MCI who acts in the shadows (she is in fact, the shadows) there's no really problem with her due to she only acts when it's necessary

[@qs6162]

Actually how does literally everything else from the stitchwraith storyline fit in?

[@Lemfern]

@@qs6162 not all the stories are on the same continuity, as Scott said: some directly connected to games and some others not

[@meimei8718]

I like what you have to say here.

[@sheipi9978]

Wait but what happened with the crying child then?

[@ironwave99]

fire video

[@devotedcheetah1326]

Wait if Golden Freddy is Andrew who dies before the Missing Children’s Incident, how could Withered Chica claim to see it in UCN?

[@duskhasvanished]

Just asking but how are Fazbear's Frights Stitchwraith stories important and relevant to the main FNaF story? (besides that it introduces Andrew into the canon and explaining how William is in UCN) I haven't read the books so I kind of appreciate it if I can get a response here

[@TheStarlingGuy]

Very late but: -introduces and explains how Agony works -(I Think)Shows that Agony can change memories/Agony infected memories can be changed? I don't remember this one well though -show that multiple spirits can posses the same animatronic (beside the fact that TFC already show's that possible, and if you believe in MoltenMCI then... you know it's nothing new but I remember people treating it like that) -Pretty much gave us the answer to "What if William somehow survived" -Show us how pathetic William is without the misery he caused(After Eleanor personofication of his agony/evil leaves him he just kinda falls apart) -(I think)Shows that spirits can go back to earth if they want too??(Charlie coming back to stop William) There a high chance that I'm totally misenterpenting it so take this one with grain of salt. -Shows that FazEnt was still succesfull despite the tragedies (Step Closer, Plushtrap Chaser) I'm not sure on only two points here but besides that I think that this is all important ones.

[@joe6330]

What if BV became Dreadbear (UG implies this might be the case)

[@gnat4543]

In this video, they did not completely talk about princess quest.

[@DawkoHasAids]

i think the withereds and the originals are different, ik its a very stupid theory but idk

[@bobcinematics]

My theory’s 1 unlikely[crying child could be andrew and possibly there could be 3 spirits aswell 2 when the crying child’s Skull was destroyed it’s possible that his remanent went into Micheal If anyone want to correct me then do it I just wanna learn the lore the best I can

[@rujutathorat8744]

So my theory says cassidy possesed freadbear but after evan/andrew died william/purple guy hammered freadbear into golden freddy so the spirit got released and thats why the fifth spirit was not satisfied or whatever that is but evan/andrew then possed it as it was golden freddy who got hurt because of william evan/andrew wants revenge

[@commanderAnakin]

I don't think Goldenduo is right, it's far too flawed. When considering: Golden Freddy has only been referred to as a singular entity. Only one Golden Freddy is present at The Happiest Day. The Puppet is see in the logbook giving cake to Cassidy (further proving that Golden Freddy is one entity) Edit: Cassidy is also heavily empathized to be Golden Freddy, and Golden Freddy only. This is seen in the logbook with finding her name,.

[@tamaritamarileonardo394]

1.no dis can not be the case because in the fazbear frights story the man in room 1280 it is statet that william's body exploded and yea but security breach absolutly recond stitchline games because william still has a pysichl body 2.the ultimate guid is still not raleiabel sure the miketrap theory was removed but the theory that phong guy is the purpel guy is littearly in the ultimate guid really and it was not removed not just that but the ultimate guid even states that the explanaition that phong guy has to why the fnaf1 animatronic want to get you because they see you as an endoskeloton is correct (not even joking) 3.in the stichline cassidy doesn't even haw a big role but thx to the cancceld movie sripts we now that cassidy was going to haw a movie about her wish means that she has a biger role in the seris 4. just so you know andrew he never made an aperans in the games sure charlotto/charlie and henry made der first aperens in the bocks but we found out about henry in fnaf 6/pizza sim wen he spoke and he menshond charlie and yea cassidy also mate her first aperens in the bocks but you know we know from scott that the security logbock is 100% canon to the games wish is the only fnaf that is 100% canon to the games and yea cassidy she is also der and stuff like that and even shows some big lore revails as well and now were es andrew were was he menshond in the seris and don't atamte saying he was in midnight motorist because we know that yellow guy is william because ow the purpel car and scott acully ones menshond that the evil is always hiding in the schadows wish we know is revaring to william sins he is not in the schadows yet plus in one of fnaf 2's mini games we see william whit a purpel car and den in midnight motorist der is also an purpel car so yea it cold be true about the criyng child just runing owai and william nodecing it dis cold be the case so yea you see andrew was never menshond in the games like charlie , henry and cassidy were menshond in the games but andrew he was never menshond in the games. so yea your explanaition is just not the case okay good

[@indoplus7557]

Love the video, However I do disagree with the majority of these. Regardless, good video. Brilliant work.

[@Under_Score]

Thanks

[@johnathanarcher1487]

Why can't Crying Child inhabit Fredbear first and then Balloon Boy later?

[@Brazilianguy876]

Okay, but what about the cryng child.

[@generate90]

Is Fred bear and golden Freddy two different animatronics since Fred bears hat is purple and golden Freddy’s is black and is basically a updated version sorry if I’m like asking stupid questions

[@Ayandarue]

That proves nothing, do you know what remodeling means?

[@foxybro7997]

is the crying child/ Bite victim is Not Golden Freddy with Cassidy then who is he?😕

[@Under_Score]

still working on that

[@foxybro7997]

if crying child is not Golden Freddy then why does golden Freddy say it's me to Michael in fnaf 1

[@Under_Score]

The other children think Michael is William, any numbed of Dead Spirits from Cassidy to Andrew would say something like It's Me to William, especially Andrew, the "One" you shouldn't have killed that William tormented.

[@ThiccFurryBoi34]

Then where is Evan did he just move on to the after life after the bite what about the hospital item Easter eggs like the flowers and iv drop in fnaf 4 if that is Andrew room why do those items exist is Andrew stuck in a underground hospital room but drugged or seeing illusion of a room also are the fnaf 4 evan ingame and sprite room even the same as Evan 8 bit room is on the right side of the room and only one door to leave while the game has the bed behind a wall looking at a closet with 2 doors Also I know it was debunked isn’t it’s better to call the bite victim or crying child evan like i know it’s not right but it’s better then those 2 harsh names

[@the_Collectors_Domain]

First off… great theory Under_Score 👍. Your theories are definitely better than MatPats! Second off… here’s some food for thought, how do you know that Cassidy is canonically a girl and not the possible name of the Crying Child? And I know everyone’s going to say “if Cassidy isn’t the 2nd spirit talking to C.C. in the Logbook, than who is?”… well I think it’s the spirit of Charlotte after the bite of 83 happened, taking to “Cassidy” before putting him in the same animatronic that also previously houses the spirit of Andrew.

[@Under_Score]

I’ll make sure to cover that in the next Video. Thanks for the input

[@Christopher-ku4oz]

Or there might be 3 spirits crying child andrew and cassidy

[@bendyinkdemon3094]

I think Evan was with Andrew and Cassidy after FNAF 3 and it’s happy ending Cassidy left the Golden Freddy suit and left Andrew and Evan because one of the souls would have left Golden Freddy after that ending why would Cassidy go back to the suit if she left? Or did the happy ending change and is no longer Canon?

[@Lemfern]

The Cassidy and Andrew theory is actually called GoldenShare, i know because i'm it's creator. I've been a defendant for years that Andrew and Cass shared Golden, but i had to deal with the insuffereable "parralel people" glad finally someone talks about it, even if i disagree with some points about Andrew's death

[@thepigvillage1197]

Everyone in this comment section seems to agree that BV has too many connections to not be involved, but I feel like it also needs to be mentioned how we got to this point in the first place. Why would it even make sense that a ‘major fire’ taking place in both universes means they’re the same universe? I mean, a lot of things happen similarly, but, if we decided to interpret these stories as if they’re all canon to the main series, nearly every important character would have a doppelgänger and several events would happen twice slightly differently (examples: What We Found and FNaF 3, Sister Location and Room For One More… I could go on) That just doesn’t make sense. I like this theory. I really do. I think it would be a very interesting place to go with the series, but it’s not the direction Scott is taking it in. Similar events happen in both universes, which is *what makes them parallel in the first place*. Imagine if different things happened in each, just to make it so this theory never had to exist. It wouldn’t be nearly as interesting if, for example, the Bite of 83 never took place, because we would see a set of entirely different events that wouldn’t release Agony anywhere or trigger Afton’s insanity and result in spooky haunted robots. It would not help us solve the lore nearly as much as the Fazbear Frights do right now, and that’s why those parallels exist. Please write the fanfic. I’m here for it. But this theory sadly doesn’t have enough ground to stand on to be believable for me.

[@pedroferrandi2345]

Bro, the universe of the books is completely different from the games!

[@maas1208]

So what about Evan tho?

[@annoyedkangaroo]

I would like to disagree cuz we know the crying child is inside of golden Freddy because of the it's me references to his brother

[@Togrulsdli-cz9no]

vvhy you guys say that andrevv or kelsey is in golden freddy in universe. kelsey and andrevv is not in real universe

[@jimbostopmo4513]

Andrew?

[@goldendarius]

With the way you described Fredbear being repurposed as Golden Freddy, it almost sounds like it wasn't common knowledge already? Like, you're telling me something I always knew and thought was the case, wasn't known by the public? Wow I should become a theorist

[@_MECHA_]

I still belive in golden freddy/fredbear being crying child and Cassidy

[@sirfazbear4993]

Ong

[@_MECHA_]

@@sirfazbear4993 ?

[@sirfazbear4993]

@@_MECHA_ I'm agreeing with you

[@_MECHA_]

@@sirfazbear4993 ok

[@thescutosaurbeast7503]

Is Andrew a made up name? I call him Evan. He really doesn't have a name, so I guess we call him what we want.

[@Ms_Pinball]

Andrew is the name of the ucn spirit, as revealed in Fazbear frights Evan is a fan name for the bite victim with no evidence backing that name Andrew and the bite victim are not the same person

[@alexandar7382]

Hehe

[@Z0228]

Andrew is Chris I See You😶‍🌫Ok Yup Uh Mhmm Yes Oh Uh Yes Yup Done

[@LordDiscord]

This was a good theory and I like the Andrew and Cassidy angle rather than Crying Child and Cassidy, though I still don’t fully buy Fredbear and Golden Freddy being the same suit, primarily given the fact that more than just recoloring, the hat and bow tie would need to happen to repurpose FredBear into Golden Freddy, given the proportion differences. Also once Fredbear was decommissioned, so was the idea of the Springlock suits, so it would not make sense for them to repurpose a suit that likely got them into a lot of legal trouble. It also doesn't help the fact that we have seen both Fredbear and Golden Freddy independent of each other. Not to mention that Golden Freddy has a withered version of himself aswell that would suggest him being just as old or almost as old as Fredbear. I don't think you are entirely wrong, it just think the notion that they repurposed Fredbear into Golden Freddy isn't accurate, instead I feel Golden Freddy was Fredbears replacement, that released along side the original version's of Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy, and was likely decommissioned and fazed out because Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy became more popular. Also it is believed the Golden Princess from the Princess escape mini game from Security Breach is Cassidy, thus showing her trying to take down, Glitchtrap, aka William Afton.

[@OfficialGoldenLeaf]

Okay first i didn't like this and the fact that andrew was in the books 2 years after ucn with the number of victims becoming 7 and everything else i gotta say it's becoming more and more belivable

[@francocoa7449]

mediocre medolis vois is the girl cassidy

[@Meme_lord921]

F

[@LiteralMemer]

Golden freddy is not fred bear

[@Ayandarue]

Yes he is

[@LiteralMemer]

@@Ayandarue literally look it up. the first result (which is from a credible source) says he is not.

[@Ayandarue]

@@LiteralMemer yeah, that’s some dumb thing posted by a random person who knows nothing about FNaF

[@Ayandarue]

@@LiteralMemer I believe that was DEFINITELY Scott Cawthon

[@LiteralMemer]

@@Ayandarue fredbear has been seen next to golden freddy on several posters. there two separate models.

[@Drakedagoatnocap]

Your channel and discord is dead HEAHEAHAHA

[@Under_Score]

Don’t even have a Discord 💀