The Truth About 4 Season Winter Tents

A question that I receive every single fall/winter is this;
Do I really need a 4 Season Tent for Winter Camping?
In this video, I have 3 tents set up;
- This is a 3 season summer tent.
- This is a 4 season budget tent.
- This is a 4 season high end tent.
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[@jefflunt9615]

I backpacked for over 40 years. My time is over, but this guy is the real deal. Don't buy a thing without checking with him. Because I can't do it anymore, I enjoy these videos. I still enjoy going into a camping retail store and looking a gear even though my time is over. None of this was available in my day. I had to buy and test along the way, but you guys have this wonderful fella telling you all about it and he knows what he is talking about and is very good on camera. No duhs in his talks. Knowledge with on camera abilities makes the best site on the internet. Thank you Luke for all you do.

[@lamame1428]

Cmon man dont give up now!

[@earlgrey691]

Amen to that.

[@Coastal.Redwood.Homestead]

Definitely agree

[@blakejohn8374]

Agree Luke is the man when it comes to outdoor gear

[@monomarino5349]

What a nice comment.

[@gud2go50]

As a Marine who helped teach arctic survival, we use to sleep in butt deep snow using only a tarp or building survival shelters. So yes, anything that will get you out of the elements will work. However, on all 4 trips I made to Greenland, we used high end North Face tents. We did build quinsies and slept in them for 3 days while there and they did the job. I say, take what you are comfortable with and know how to use in the conditions you will be facing. I would not take anything less than a quality 4 season tent in conditions like Greenland.

[@henningratjen4364]

Great point, that you need to factor in the experience. If you are experienced you can make things work, that others cant.

[@azclaimjumper]

Thank you for taking your time to compose such an interesting, detailed, experience backed, comment. In my comment, I will be emphasizing/explaining the difference between "Nordic" seasons & "North American" seasons. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada

[@CherokezPittman]

Thank you for sharing your insights and experiences as a Marine in arctic survival. It's fascinating to hear about the different methods used in extreme conditions. I completely agree with your recommendation of taking a quality 4 season tent in places like Greenland. On another note, have you heard about the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series? It's a versatile power source with massive capacity and fast recharging capability. It could be a great addition to your camping gear, offering uninterrupted power supply and comprehensive protections. Stay safe and enjoy your outdoor adventures!

[@harrymills2770]

What's a "quinsie?"

[@harrymills2770]

@@azclaimjumper The highest peak in Norway is 2469 meters or 8100 feet above sea level. N. America has bigger mountains and it's not as if the Arctic Circle stops at the North Atlantic.

[@DBGrimson]

Brother, it's because of your reviews. I bought both my dogs' new harnesses and leash plus a 4 season tent from One Tigris. I've never been happier, and my dogs love their harnesses. They have this velcro piece on the sides of them to add different patches, which is fun. One Tigris makes some amazing products, thank-you for showing me the right path to a great company, if it weren't for your recommendation on the One Tigris i would have never even knew they made products for dogs too. I love watching both channels and gaining the knowledge i need to survive. You make it very easy to understand and learn. When im not working on projects for my channel, i like to go out into the woods on my property a distance away from the house to do some night camping. it's very peaceful. Would love to see more reviews on the equipment you carry with you, like the clothes, the backpack, and maybe some of your waterproof packs you have your food and coffee stored in. im getting the garmin watch you had on you explained in a previous video, you got me to want to buy that right away lol. Thank you for being a channel that brings knowledge, happiness, excitement, thrill and smiles to millions of viewers. Cheers my friend and a happy new years ahead to you and the whole family.

[@Xeno-M.]

Cheers indeed to you as well as all viewers here !!

[@jamesellsworth9673]

The Hilleburg Seulo may belong to the 'Expedition' grade of 4 Season tent. They are for the 'You Bet Your Life' level of adventure. Even for MY life, $800-1000 is not too much to pay! And I have a lot less camp time left than most of you do. I have been amazed by how much a light coating of freezing rain, wet snow, or gusty wind can change the internal volume of even a quality tent. This past year I have been interested in some of Luke's tests where he backs up a tent with a tarp. I LIKE that idea: extra shelter and some protected workspace can make a lighter, less expensive but quality 4-Season tent 'punch above its weight.'

[@Xeno-M.]

Completely agree. A tarp is extremely versatile as you can take it in addition to a tent for many purposes, such as making an area to prepare/eat food away from your tent, or at least as a backup to your tent just in case of a tent failure. But you certainly can augment your foul weather capabilities of your tent as well by pitching it over your tent.

[@browsman2328]

I really appreciate Luke’s reviews even though I only do day hikes now. Hang in there Luke and thank you.

[@terryfreedom9742]

I bought the one Tigris based on your review. It showed up last week and I set it up to check it out. Materials are nice. Seams are sewn nicely and seam sealed. I'm planning a trip now and since I'm in PA there will be cold temps. I've taken my 3 season tent in temps as low as 26 degrees and it was cold so ill be excited to experience the difference in heat retention

[@azclaimjumper]

Please keep in mind, "Tents" are intended to provide "shelter" from rain, snow, & wind. Keeping comfy warm inside a tent is the function of your clothing & sleep system - not the shelter. I hope you've set up your tent in your backyard & give it a good rain bath with a hose so you'll know if it's going to keep you dry during a rainstorm. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada

[@Xeno-M.]

Generally I would agree. However if you did not quite prepare with enough warm clothes, warm enough sleeping bag, etc for unexpectedly colder conditions for example, then having that 5-10 deg diff that the tent affords could mean all the difference.(Not saying you shouldn’t bring those extra warming layers anyway just in case).

[@richardrogers8254]

Dang Luke, that's one of the best, most informative and concise videos i have seen. I wish you would do more of these on subjects like camp cook sets, knives, axe, first aid, picking campsites, avoiding dangers and such. There's not many people that can impart the knowledge that you have as concise and understandable by the common layman. Thank you for all that you do and we really enjoy your adventures, when we cant get out there ouselves. Those rain camp adventures are absolutely cool 😎.

[@Tap1106-b6q]

Afternoon Luke I'm testing out a tent ⛺ from Walmart and because of your videos it's helping me out a lot with knowledge of camping I've been very limited experience with camping and thanks for your honesty with your videos

[@azclaimjumper]

You can count on absolute, straight-arrow, honest reviews from Luke. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada

[@Tap1106-b6q]

@@azclaimjumper yes he does and I'm over here in NC as well lol

[@azclaimjumper]

@@Tap1106-b6q Luke's videos showed me NC has more weather than many states further North here in America, certainly more snow & rain than here in NW Nevada, but not more strong gusty winds like I consistently experience up in the High Sierras at much higher elevations (8,500' - 10,500') that you or Luke have in NC.

[@Xeno-M.]

Like Luke, myself and others have said, it is good to get advice about gear and techniques before you go. But there will be no greater teacher than mother nature herself and you one on one. Besides the more you go, the more you find out what works best for You, and that translates to a better experience.

[@Tap1106-b6q]

@@Xeno-M. amen learn from experience people and survive and lesson the mistakes that can occur to lack of experience like me lol

[@ReasontoLiveAdventures]

I have that One Tigris Stella in my Amazon shopping cart. The only thing stopping me from buying is that I own the LiteFighter, but it needs the winter fly. The crazy thing is that it costs 200.00. For that price I can buy the Stella and keep the LiteFighter as my all around tent. It’s a tough little tent.🤙

[@jhaas68865]

I love how you explain how the materials and airflow affect the comfort of the tents. Last three years have gone to scout camp with my kids and they have those two person canvas tents with cots. Most didn’t have vents you could open for airflow so when we were there in the summer it was hot as hades. Next year we brought our own personal tents to use if it was hot or picked the tents that had the flaps that could open for airflow. These videos help learn from others mistakes so you don’t make them.

[@cynthiadegerness5622]

Due to mobility issues, I do not go camping anymore and do not drive anymore either. I love your channel because I can go camping vicariously through you. Thank you!

[@macmanmcmaster4]

I absolutely love my Alps Tasmanian 3 person 4th Season tent ! It is priced right and has held up to an Excellent standard to all winter camping conditions !

[@philsmith2444]

They are very good tents, not “budget” if by that you mean “dirt cheap” but you definitely get a lot for your money. I have an ALPS Jagged Peak 2 which would be considered a “hybrid” 4-season - fine for cold weather below treeline, and with enough ventilation for summer use (screened and fabric door panels, screened top vents and head/foot windows with fabric panels.) I’ve had it over 10 years and while I rarely use it any more because I have 2 true 2P mountaineering tents, a Marmot that’s half the weight and a TNF that’d be at home on Everest & Denali (I’ve never been to either!), but I’ve slept in wind, rain, moderate snow, and temps well below 0F with no problems. I’d take it winter car camping because it sets up much faster than the TNF and is more roomy than the Marmot.

[@paulpuglia8480]

Thank you for breaking that down by explaining every little detail of each tent that was very helpful and understand each individual tent. Thank you again keep up the good work. Have a safe and Happy New Year.

[@peacefulplaces3634]

Glad I bought my LiteFighter Fido 2AI, but it is definitely hot in summer/Spring. Conversely, it's great for fall and winter. Mesh is great for allowing a breeze to run through, but in the desert, that also allows your tent to fill with fine sand particles. Thanks for your reviews Luke.

[@Xeno-M.]

Have not tent camped in the desert. However I have visited out that way and I would imagine those are tough conditions to contend with. I would guess some sacrifices must be made in those conditions, such as leaving the fly on so you are safe from rain and blowing sand, but also being very warm inside. Tarps would be difficult to pitch overhead, and then there is the evening cold to deal with.

[@harrymills2770]

@@Xeno-M. The desert cools down quickly after sundown.

[@IMDARKFIRE007]

This was one of the reasons I bought the DOD one pole tipi medium, you don't have all the fabric, but with the fly on I think it's winter worthy as long as you have a good bag and pad, which you should automatically have anyway. It's very design makes snow loading a non issue. And in other seasons, if you leave the fly off, the whole thing is mesh. I think it's a solid option for 4 seasons without the $500 and up prices.

[@harrymills2770]

Heh. "Ichi One-Pole" is redundant, the site says. I think the 1-pole "tipi is very simple setup, but I would want a hot tent option.

[@stormtrooper2170]

Luke. We watch your channel for so many years n find it useful n helpful. Thanks n have a happy new year.👈🎄🎁🎉🙂

[@Casey-zp9kv]

Thankgod I live in Australia, 3 season tents are the only tent necessary for 99% of all conditions here. I love this channel for the variation in weather you get there in NC.

[@Xeno-M.]

Many places in the north east US can be like this, especially at mountain elevations.

[@JourneysFlow]

Been bike touring Australia for a year now and have applied for another year. I have to say that me and my wife have been thankful many times for our 4 season Hilleberg Allak. Tasmania has some crazy weather. 4 seasons in one day. 30c one minute and snowing the next with some hard winds for good measure. The soil and sand is on another level of destruction. If you are just doing caravan parks 3 season is fine. But go into the bush and that is another level.

[@jamesmetz5201]

I own an excellent 4 season tent for hunting and fishing. It is a Kodiak Flexbow 10x10 foot. I don't know if Luke has reviewed these tents or not but if not he should. These are not backpacking tents because they are too heavy for that.

[@mobilewintercamp7515]

In the east end of America you can use 3 season tent in winter unless you go out in a blizzard. The tents are lighter and easier to pack. The mesh inner will let your condensation push through to the rainfly and help keep your sleeping bag from contacting frost and stay dry. Don’t worry about trapping heat. If it’s 0F, 5 or 10 degrees more isn’t going to make you comfortable. You should have the right gear already

[@Xeno-M.]

I agree extra warming layers should be brought with you as well as other good gear. However a partial or full fabric inner still would be better in more challenging conditions, say in VT or Maine in winter. These tents would help w/ snow drift coming into the tent as well as managing wind better, especially if your 3 season tent fly does not fully come down to the ground. And if someone forgot to bring extra gear or are experiencing unanticipated conditions that the forecasts got wrong, that extra 5 - 10 deg won’t make you feel a whole lot warmer, but it could help to save your life. However the tent alone can only do so much, and can not be your only means to help survive those conditions.

[@mobilewintercamp7515]

@@Xeno-M. Vt and Me, my two favorite places. Yes spin drift. I have a tent with partial solid and mesh inner. Perfect for blocking spin drift and pushing condensation but no apex vent. Drives me nuts. The inner combo definitely makes sense.

[@kokadjooutdoors620]

@@Xeno-M. agree as from Maine and depending which end of state camp in makes big difference on weather and temps will be in

[@twloughlin]

If you are a car camper - NOT a backpacker - one style of tent that Luke never talks about are canvas tents. Canvas tents are generally quite heavy, so you can't go backpacking with them. But if you car camp, or use a snowmobile or ATV, they are truly 4-season tents. They breathe well in the summer due to their canvas construction, and retain heat just as well in winter. The springbar-style design of tents from companies like Springbar and Kodiak make them easy to set up. The Kodiak 6086 model is roughly the same size as the tents Luke shows here, and it's bombproof in all seasons. If you want "one tent to rule them all", a canvas tent does the job in non-backpacking situations.

[@dennisdaly1957]

Thank you for your hard work, you may have saved someone from a disastrous adventure. I've been an outdoorsman from when I was 8 but you have taught me a thing or two. THANK YOU

[@Xeno-M.]

Always good to approach life as always being a student, learning new ideas and tips as we go, no matter how experienced we are or aren’t.

[@camouflage962]

I appreciate these videos a whole lot, being aware of the prime audience/targeted group of viewers. I enjoy most the "instructor style" by which the entire content is getting presented via means of modern communication tools (since only a few of us were serving, I reckon) - keep going, man - and a big Thank You!

[@GoofyKahn]

Luke, thanks to you and your reviews of various products I have been able to make informed decisions. I am still pretty new to the outdoor community and because of you it has kept me from making monumental mistakes. I hope one day if I'm back east I have the chance to meet you, it would an honor and privilege to shake your hand and say thank you.

[@MAXCOBRALAZERFACE]

Excellent video! Thank you it answered many of my questions.

[@LindaSimic-qt3mh]

Thankyou for telling us all about equipment the good bad and ugly we need more people to be honest about their products and services today in these days take care❤😮

[@rickzaleski4117]

Luke, great job in your explanation and sharing your experiences with 3 and 4 seasons tents. The information you always share is trustworthy and non biased. Thanks for your honesty. S&H…🇺🇸

[@SgtFluffytheoriginal]

I have thought about buying a 4th season, but the cost has always been prohibitive. Thanks for doing the research with these. I have made a lot of purchases from your recommendations and have always been satisfied with them.

[@robertsalido1232]

Really like your channel and honored to be one of your followers. That said, my last Profession, was strict with training, combat and situational awareness. I would like you to share with your fans, stuff you use all the time. How to use, the sky, sun direction stars. How to read the land, weather and the importance of senses in the wild. "A man died on the Appalachian Trail 2 nights ago. Hypothermia and Thirst. Got to know how to plan your journey. YOU ARE THAT PERSON. You are amazing! Now make and educate some new campers too. To you and your family,...Happy New Year.

[@Jeff-jg7jh]

It's outdoor gear review, not survival class. I'd say teaching folks over the net how to stay alive is risky.

[@mikehoward8201]

On a trip to Big Bend are of Texas, several of us slept out in the open on some sand dunes, on pads and in bags, temps were nice and light breeze blowing. One of the group. Woke up in the morning with road rash! He had failed to orient his bag properly and with that breeze blowing, his bag filed up with fine sand and he sand papered himself all night as he tossed and turned. Ha ha. Ah, the joys of outdoor learning!

[@cosmokenney]

I just did an overnight trip in the northern California Sierra with my OneTigris Stella. It is definitely a step up in terms of winter camping. I also have done about 5 winter trips in my Lanshan 2 with their 4th season inner. And I can definitely say that the Stellla is quite a bit less drafty, warmer and way easier to setup in the snow. The only thing with the Stella is that it is a bit narrower than my Lanshan 2 and my Zpacks duplex. So my dog and I were definitely crammed in there. Length is about the same.

[@simpleoutdoors1]

I camp all year round in hot summers and cold snowy winters in my river country trekker 2 tent and never have any problems, perfect ventilation for all seasons but its also based on how your sleeping gear is rated too.

[@shaun9156]

bruh that tent looks super duper thin

[@markthomas2436]

Most folks ain't never gonna need the fourth season advantage of a 4th season tent. They ain't as tough as you are, playa. Most campers ain't gonna camp when it is really cold. I have done it.... many moons ago. I ain't doin' it now. All your points are valid. But camping for millions of people is never gonna be done when it is really cold. It is just too uncomfortable. It can be dangerous as well. But it is also a struggle. Muscles work slower; bones creak; hands need gloves and gloves are tough to work with on things. Skin gets dry, and sleeping bags take a long time to warm up. It is just an exercise in futility for many. I would rather camp in above 50 degrees.

[@tinbarnranch]

Luke, you knocked this one out of the park! Awesome content. Thanks so much.

[@CrimeVid]

If you need a 4 season tent, you really do ! I have never tried deep snow camping, but been in Norway with snow coming down ,in an old fashioned heavy canvas tent and to be honest it was marginal, just warm enough to sleep, could have used a stove for sure.

[@medicinegone]

I used my Hilleberg Soulo last Thursday night, winter solstice. Northern CO, at 8500ft. 30mph gusts, got down to about 20deg. Only the 4th time I've had this out and was the coldest/windiest weather I've used it in. While it was probably a little over-kill, I was happy I brought it rather than one of my SlingFins.

[@azclaimjumper]

With the weather conditions you mentioned, I would have been fully confident of my Hilleberg Enan to provide me with 5-Star accommodations out in the boonies. I have, in fact, faced similar winter conditions at similar elevation in the nearby High Sierras. A tent is only Shelter. I have a Western Mountaineering Antelope (5ºF) (GWS outer fabric) rated sleeping bag & an XTherm (R6.9) rated air mattress for my sleep system. What does you "sleep system" consist of? Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada

[@shaun9156]

for 800 dollars for a one person tent i sure hope it performed LOL

[@azclaimjumper]

@@shaun9156 The Soulo (Red label) is $825. The Soulo (Black Label) is $895. The Soulo model is & has been used worldwide for decades in the most extreme weather conditions & has proved itself many many times in Nordic winter conditions & worse.

[@_CaptainSlow_]

I just ordered that Onetigris Stella. been camping year round with a 3 season tent, its do-able with good gear, but not always the most comfortable. Having a fabric wall vs mesh should make the whole system a little more comfortable when the temps drop.

[@Maryland_Kulak]

You forgot the Litefighter tents with the 4th season liner when you said no one tent is good for all temperatures.

[@Xeno-M.]

Agreed as well as 3+ season tents.

[@freecitizen7372]

For winter backpacking I use a Kelty Salida 2. Blocks the wind and snow, holds in the heat and vents off condensation extremely well. It’s a two person tent that works great as a one person tent in winter.

[@shaun9156]

Kelty salida 2 is out of stock.

[@MOTH-PREPARDNESS]

Merry Christmas? Do you know why Santa's sack is so big? That's because he only comes once a year. Have a blessed day!

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I have had a Eureka 4 person, 4 season tent for years. My thoughts were/are if the world collapses I want to be ready for the long term. High altitude night frigid temperatures at night, or a cold winter.

[@Xeno-M.]

You go prepper !!

[@farstrider79]

A plus to three season tent in the winter is the airflow, you dont get much condensation. Admittedly, I just dont go out in extreme conditions.

[@kokadjooutdoors620]

Bought a tarp from bear hard with reflective material on inside of tarp. Reflects heat also. Put over a 3 season tent and is great way to camp in winter not have to buy another tent for a short season of camping

[@Xeno-M.]

I also have a reflective tarp by another brand. A tarp augmenting your tent in winter is a good way to go for a few reasons, and the reflective side can keep you warmer.

[@kokadjooutdoors620]

@@Xeno-M. love my reflective tarp was great investment. Have to smaller one and larger one. Keep small one in my ruck sack I take when bush crafting

[@JR-qm5td]

any chance you could cover a canvas tent, like Kodiak Canvas?

[@vitalijusk7745]

I use for winter tunnel tent "Sydvang Skaring 2" It works well in east Europe winter conditions.

[@XxDarkchyldex]

Hey Luke, love your work. I have been catching up on a lot of your older videos over the holidays. I would really like to know if you think the Pomoly Leo 2 tent could be good jack of all trades? Throwing in a Pomoly T1 Mini stove for the colder weather, since the combined weight isn't too bad. Plus having essentially four doors/windows and ventilation, gives plenty of airflow for the warmer months.

[@BiznessWizard]

Good video, Luke. I find a good compromise, for me, has been the Litefighter 1 with the addition of their cold weather kit for Winter use. Your review of the tent with that package sold me on it. Have been very happy. Good company to work with and like how you can purchase individual components of their tents.

[@Xeno-M.]

Have it as well. Love it and the winter cover is ingenious !!

[@marmacher]

You can order a Hilleberg Mesh inner tent. Bought on for my Unna just days ago.

[@SolarEclips86]

Geertop makes a great 4 season tent that work great plus good price. I have two both are over 3 years also used a lot. I go camping ever weekend.

[@SigmaMale9901]

I've had my Pomoly Leo 2, 4 season hot tent for a year now, and I was worried that I might not like it in the warmer seasons. Worries squashed it was great opened up all the doors and vents and I was fine better then fine slept like a drunk bear. Ran it a few times last winter as a test with the wood stove it wasn't great, but not horrible gotta tinker with my sleep system a bit . Otherwise, awesomesause.😂

[@kokadjooutdoors620]

Been looking into the Leo 2 might grab one this winter

[@davidjohnston2941]

My understanding of 4 season tent is 4 seasons. How can you use a 4 season tent in summer? If, it is that insulated. Therefore, not a 4 season tent. I watch a lot of Luke's videos and get a lot from them. This one is good; don't get me wrong. I'm not having a go at the presenter , but at the NOTION that a four 4 season tent exists. Today, in Melbourne, I woke up in my Pro hiker 2 (companion). There was only mild sun at 10am (Autumn here), but I was boiling. Opening up the outer helps, drawing in fresh air. But, all tents get hot very quickly. By the way, this is a tent I would recommend. It is polyester and for $170 AUD, which is about $2 US, it is quite incredible. Another thing, my first tent was bought from Amazon, a naturehike cloud up 2. $190 AUD. It was sold with glossy enthusiasm . KZbin videos everywhere espousing its greatness. I won't buy from them again. Their customer service is horrible. Experience is the best teacher. Thanks Luke.

[@perkunast9680]

4 season tents can be used all year long, it's a little hotter in the summer. Best not to camp mid summer lots of bugs and too hot. I use a 4 season tent, I like the fact I don't worry about rain it's built so much better.

[@waynecatt602]

Thanks Luke, love your content and information. Absolutely the best!

[@67L48]

One pro, many pros ... you really need to stop abusing that poor apostrophe. Great vid as always.

[@Xeno-M.]

Nice compare and contrast vid on tents, Luke. However there is a category of tent you overlooked. It is the 3+ season category of tents, which have a mix of some mesh and fabric inner. I agree that ideally you pick the right tent for the conditions. However during shoulder seasons, (aka winter into spring or summer into fall), or on mountains or in deserts, the temps can vary wildly. I experienced a sudden drop in temps one night during the end of June on a hike years ago on an elevated area from 69 deg F at 11pm to 19 deg F at 2 am. Now I am not saying this always happens, but in those conditions I would prefer a tent that has a little of both so that I am not too cold or hot and can better mitigate those conditions. Can you use a 3 season , all mesh tent for this? Sure, just as you can use one for winter. But if you do, you will be a lot colder as the icy wind will go straight through the inner. I also understand that you could be warmer in a half fabric inner if you are in warmer climates. However there are ways to mitigate this, such as leaving off the fly and setting a tarp over the tent or brining a small battery operated fan, or just sleep under that extra aforementioned tarp. In severe winter climates I would still agree w/you and all who commented that a serious 4 season tent is warranted. I personally would not go in those conditions without Serious cold weather gear, and probably wouldn’t anyway if I did unless I absolutely Had to.

[@tenpointhunter]

I woke up one morning in northern Ohio to find I had pitched my cheap Walmart dome tent on a frozen pond. A good sleeping bag makes a big difference.

[@Xeno-M.]

Definitely. And a good warm sleeping pad as well.

[@johnschmalbach8243]

I love this channel but this video triggered me a bit because there is a Canadian who regularly winter camps in the Canadian Rockies, to the point he is cross country skiing to camp sites, and he isn't lugging along an expedition weight 4 season dome tent in below zero conditions. Out of the gate I would trust the Canadian before the North Carolinaian (I am north of the Carolinas as well so it's why I scratched my head with this video) I can also confirm personally because I have done zero degree with a tarp (plow point) and bivy. The 4 season shelter is for expeditions; "are you going to be in that tent for days and days on end above a tree line on a mountain, so you need space to move around to not go crazy" basically. If you are winter camping or backpacking though you just need a structure to handle wind and snow loading because your sleep system should keep you warm. That's not hard to achieve.

[@JourneysFlow]

My 57 years of Alaska wilderness experience has been this… The truth about real 4 season tents is that they are effective in 4 seasons. Extreme weather conditions are not only snow as everyone portrays when talking about these tents. It is also scorching heat, extreme winds, blasting sand, torrential rain, and heavy snow. This is what sets tent companies like Hilleberg apart. They handle all those conditions very well and why they are so heavy. They need to function in all those conditions and the amount of material needed for 4 seasons of configuration adds a lot of weight. UV is about the only extreme condition that wears down a good 4 season tent, any tent for that matter. My wife and I are cycling the world and are living our retirement in a Hilleberg which has been amazing in all the above scenarios from Alaska winters to the Australian outback. We started out with the Allak and are now in a Saivo. I do agree that if a tent claims their tent is 4 seasons and it is only effective in winter (making it a 1 season tent), then the term 4th season may have some credit. And many tent manufacturers are very misleading.

[@JourneysFlow]

My apologies, I really should have begun by mentioning how well you presented your points. The video is well done. Wonderful video.

[@chuckkatz1824]

Outstanding video! It answered a lot of questions that I had. Thanks!

[@fishinfreak44]

What about the Litefighter Fibo AI???? Also I'm researching and ELK hunting trip out in Colorado. Watch several hunters that also content creators. Most of them are going tipi no floor.

[@paulduckworth1121]

Excellent video Luke 👍 Very good information, well presented, as usual.

[@nordicgar]

I needed a 4 season tent with a 0 degree sleeping bag in mid February 1975. Instead I somehow survived a 50 degree temp drop in a cheap summer sleeping bag and an even cheaper Boy Scout no season tent that leaked when you touched the fabric. I’ll. Never forget that awful chill. I’ll never forgive the scout leaders who didn’t bother to check the weather forecast.

[@Xeno-M.]

I Hear You. Had a night like that myself. Not Fun and got sick afterwards.

[@olipumpum8392]

On the topic of 'All Season' tents, it would be great if you could do a review on the new Terra Nova Laser Compact AS tent, as that is advertised as a true all season tent. Would love to hear your thoughts on it! 🇬🇧

[@ArielleViking]

Great advice as always ❤

[@NadesikoRose]

Based on your reviews on their products, I have decided on getting my next tent from either Naturehike or OneTigris or maybe one from each. I haven’t fully made up my mind yet 😅…. I am also checking out the brand Night Cat, their products look good….but I am not sure yet….

[@suezaple4950]

Well explained well shown Thank you Luke very helpful.

[@jrnsteen8136]

If you live where I live in norway yes a warm tent is a must. -30°c is not fun with a bad tent

[@dixiecup3928]

Thank you this was very informative! This has helped me in making decisions.

[@jesusisking3974]

Excellent content...a big Thank You ! 👍 from UK

[@Robert-bt1bo]

Awesome job explaining each other three tanks what's 10 is good for the weather which 10 is good for the springtime fall winter you're the man luck

[@jadenkrosis3087]

Hey Luke I`d like to see you test an review one of the shelters from Overland(ish) or maybe Shift Pod. They`re very similar, rather expensive but look promising. (just like everything lol.)

[@freezinweasle1]

Good review and education. My trust in Amazon reviews is such that I don't even read them. Most are ficticious or made by people with little to no knowledge of the product. Stay safe and God bless.

[@Xeno-M.]

And what makes matters worse is that many are faked or paid to give a good review.

[@honey2badger]

Luke. The real question for me has always been on condensation. Do those winter tents with 2 real layers create more or less condensation inside that second layer. I have seen quite a few folks swear by single wall simple tarp designs stating they are better at moisture control but yet can be buttoned up to prevent wind hitting you. However, the undeniable benefit of 2 layer tent for warmth sounds great. But if it costs me a bunch of condensation to deal with....well thats not worth it to me. So whats your opinion? What would you take on a winter snow shoe trip for 3 day's? That Stella Tent you show or single wall tarp tent?

[@brianbogue1358]

I would be interested in hearing about the weights of these different products.

[@lamarwilliams185]

Mountain Hardware 4season tent is great if you do not want a stove. One Tigris has some great hot tent options that can be used all 4 seasons and you can purchase a net for mosquitoes.

[@brianmcmurdie]

Hey, Luke! Great stuff. Most of the Canadian and Alaskan adventurers I’ve seen on KZbin use single-wall floor-less tents. Some with and some without wood stoves. Can you talk about the structural differences of 4th season tents?

[@RSmith-td4ty]

Your budget friendly 4 seaswon Tent looks like the Wireless 2 not sure is that a Kelty Model. Has the fabric like your speaking of but also has a little mesh if I remember Sir.

[@duncan3144]

I use a four season tent through out the year. The weather in the UK changes very quickly.

[@Xeno-M.]

I certainly understand that. Conditions across the pond can change here rapidly as well depending on where you are. Mountains here and deserts can have similar weather patterns.

[@andyk2181]

Reviews can be useful if you sample a few at different star ratings and see what is being said. If I see that a lot of the 1 and 2 star reviews are non-complaints from people who don't know what they are doing, reviewing the seller and not the product etc, then I have more confidence from that than the overall rating. Hope everyone has a great new year.

[@Xeno-M.]

I Soo do the exact same thing !! I always look at the negative ones first, and see if there are several mentions of a negative aspect to the product, possibly giving validity to that problem.

[@wesley20991]

I bought my eureka assault 4 for $99 couple years ago thing is beyond awesome.

[@Xeno-M.]

I have one of those too !! Not a backpacking tent but a near bombproof car camping one !!

[@JulieNorris-ll2oj]

We love watching your videos

[@keonisan]

My dad always taught me to buy the good stuff once or the junk forever. I'd buy the Hilleburg tent if it was me. The only thing that concerns me about it and I've seen it before with these ones is the fact that the fly is only a small beanie type, it doesn't cover the whole tent.

[@jimtitt3571]

You are confused, the fly covers the whole tent and the " beanie" covers the upper roof vent.

[@keonisan]

@@jimtitt3571 That's my concern, why doesn't it have a whole fly?

[@jimtitt3571]

@@keonisan It is a complete fly except for a triangular vent in one panel. Airflow under the "beanie" helps suck air and condensation out without loosing the streamlining caused if you used traditional guyed-out vents. It works very well and I have this system on another brands tent.

[@marshallrowley3516]

I still enjoy my Army issued pup tent .

[@Junkman444]

I like that Amazon tent that comes in the color of "Amy Green"

[@Xeno-M.]

More tents need to be named after Ladies names !! Lol !!

[@somerandomguy4149]

I dont do winter camping. But i did buy the hilleberg anaris tent 600$. And it works great in the spring summer and fall. But i cant do winter i work out in the weather all year and i hate the cold. So i dont want to deal with winter camping. But thats just me. But if i wanted to im sure I could use it in the winter. I mean, its a super Quality tent. 👌 but it does weigh 3 lbs. But its super roomy for 2 people. Maybe one day i will try it in the winter time just to see how it works but it definitely the best money for me.

[@Xeno-M.]

I have actually found that 3 - 4 lbs, while heavy for ultra lighter’s, is an ideal weight for a more day in day out robust shelter while still being back packable.

[@somerandomguy4149]

@Xeno-M. well i know i wont do thru hikeing im more of the one night out kind of camper. But i wanted to buy tye best of the best like luke says you buy one time you cry about it. But you got something that will basically last a lifetime

[@Xeno-M.]

Agreed. If you think about it, (and you do frequent trips every year), you might be saving $$ in the long run that way too, due to the fact that you are not buying a cheap tent every 1 - 2 yrs. (Not saying however that you have to buy the super expensive one either).

[@nc_mtbmedic1399]

I think you forgot about the lite fighter.. that is probably the best all around tent

[@countrygirl63baker64]

❤😂🎉🎉🎉 thanks again Luke, as always excellent information 😊

[@Taffwildmanofthewoods]

Great review Luke 👌

[@whatsnottohike]

You keep saying cheap 4 season tents are junk but you're wrong. Try the flytop 4 season tent. Costs about $100 and is amazing!

[@CowHorace]

Depends where you camp around the world and the conditions. Easy

[@Jimmynitro76]

I definitely need a four season tent in my life lol!

[@tomwilliams8675]

It would be nice if the One Tigris tent people could add some zippered vents into their 4 season tent, size it up to a 3 person, and change the color of the rain fly to something other than black. That would still be a great $300.00 tent.

[@Xeno-M.]

Sounds good to me too. Black is ok but I like earth tones like brown, olive and dark grey.

[@dimitrispapachristou9706]

6:03 The tent you present here as bad has very good reviews on other KZbin channels. Have you tested it? If not please do. I was ready to buy one, but now I am hesitant.

[@HomeOrchard]

Luke, what about the Improved Combat Shelter developed for the US Military? If my memory serves me correctly, that was a four season tent.

[@Xeno-M.]

Bombproof from what I have read of it. But heavy at 6+ lbs.

[@matthewbrown8679]

I live in SoCal. I'll camp in the wind and moderate cold in the winter, but not extreme cold or heavy snow. A good 3 season tent with a heater does the job for us. We still bring heavy sleeping bags in case the heater fails

[@asmith7876]

Location, location, location as the Real Estate mantra goes...where I camp in the USA I use a tarp, all year. With our crazy weather in January it might be 60F one year, -10F the next. Snow, or not. I manage with a tarp in every season, I've been in torrential spring storms, winter snow, all of it, just have to pitch it right. BUT if I NEEDED a 4-season tent, if I was going to buy a 4-season tent, Hilleberg or nothing.

[@asmith7876]

@@adriant1940 I've never owned a Hilleberg but by all accounts they are the real deal. We simply don't get weather severe enough for me to need something that bombproof. But from everything I've heard or read, they're an excellent tent. Hype or praise? I don't have $800 for a tent so I won't be finding out anytime soon.

[@stigfloberghagenphotography]

Great video and advice 👍🙂

[@azclaimjumper]

3-Season tents vs 4-Season tents: Hilleberg tents are rated for "Nordic" seasons like Greenland, Norway, Sweden, Iceland Here in America we don't have "Nordic" winters. With that thought in mind, I purchased & have used my 3-Season Hilleberg Enan in all 4 seasons in various parts of America. I, personally, consider my Hilleberg 3-Season tent better & stronger than most any other branded so-called 4-Season tent. I have no need for a Hilleberg rated 4-Season tent because I'm not going camping anywhere outside of America. Tents are supposed to provide "Shelter" from rain, sleet, snow, strong gusty winds & hail. YOU, your clothing, & Sleep system equipment, are what will keep you cold or comfy cozy in cold temperatures. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada

[@Xeno-M.]

Agreed. Even a 4th season tent can only do so much. There are other factors to consider. I guess however we are all just drooling gear geeks here!!

[@neemancallender9092]

Look at the British made Terra Nova Helm 1 and Helm 2 An excellent budget four seasons tents

[@honorharrington4546]

Luke, consider using the term 'Season 4' rather than '4th Season'. '4 Season sounds like it is intended for year round use.

[@Xeno-M.]

Actually I think that is why Luke says it the way he does. Manufacturers use the term 4 Season tents, which Do sound as if they are meant for year round use, when in fact they are not unless they have the ability to change out the inner or cover the inner such as the Lightfighter does. When he says, 4Th season tents (emphasis on the TH) he changes the meaning to tents that are meant for the fourth or winter season only.

[@MrYoliss]

What a great video On point information I consider myself a good camper and didn’t know a lot of this information Thanks for your hard work

[@kentfreier5705]

you gotta do a review on the Reactive Outdoor 3 second tent. I don't believe it.