The Psychological Impact Of Hormonal Birth Control - Dr Sarah Hill

Dr Sarah Hill is the author of This Is Your Brain On Birth Control, a psychologist and professor at TCU whose research focusses on women, health, and sexual psychology.
Women ovulate, and this changes their behaviour across their cycle. Unless they take hormonal birth control that is, in which case their behaviour changes even more dramatically in ways that no one anticipated and there is evidence to suggest that this might not just be temporary.
Expect to learn why hormonal birth control can make women prioritise wealth in men, why women who come off are less sexually satisfied with partners they chose when they were on birth control, the relationship between taking the pill with anxiety, depression, bisexuality and stress, whether it's a good thing for women to have sex with men who they wouldn't marry and much more...
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00:00 Intro
02:23 How Hormonal Changes Influence Behaviour
07:27 Learning About Hormones Shouldn’t Be Uncomfortable for Women
15:57 The Consequences of Using Hormonal Birth Control
29:03 Is Birth Control a Cause of the Mating Crisis?
40:44 How Birth Control Impacts Sexual Orientation
46:23 Does Birth Control Increase Depression?
54:38 Can Men Sense Ovulation in Women?
1:02:12 Looking to the Future of Birth Control
1:09:45 Where to Find Dr Hill
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[@ChrisWillx]

One of the wildest episodes I’ve done this year, fascinating stuff, enjoy! Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:23 How Hormonal Changes Influence Behaviour 07:27 Learning About Hormones Shouldn’t Be Uncomfortable for Women 15:57 The Consequences of Using Hormonal Birth Control 29:03 Is Birth Control a Cause of the Mating Crisis? 40:44 How Birth Control Impacts Sexual Orientation 46:23 Does Birth Control Increase Depression? 54:38 Can Men Sense Ovulation in Women? 1:02:12 Looking to the Future of Birth Control 1:09:45 Where to Find Dr Hill

[@raidantarctica7551]

No! Brother You did the work 🙏 my mind is thinking about 🙏

[@grannyannie2948]

I'm surprised she never mentioned the effective and non-hormonal female birth control used in the early twentieth century, the diaphragm.

[@joshuakohanchi2867]

Interesting stuff! Thanks for your videos man

[@carolyna.869]

Having just watched the film, "Died Suddenly" which reveals the titanic decline in fertility and childbirth in western nations, this whole episode seems odd... Its good to know about the horrible effects of taking totally unnatural pharma products like birth control so that women can continue to sleep around with people who don't care about them. But I wish there were people directing the masses back to a more humane, spiritual and natural existence. This lady seems fine with her daughter sleeping around for no reason, probably because Mommy did the same thing. But, of course, we all know that women were happier when they didn't lead that type of lifestyle. But I shouldn't expect that type of advice to come out of a university professor!

[@21Kikoshi]

Chris, some food for thought, the pill decreases women's fertility but makeup fakes women's fertility.

[@otheh2636]

I recommend anybody who finds this fascinating, to watch Derek from more plates more dates and his take on female birth control. Because ultimately it is chemically castrating women and most people don't think about it this way, they think it's not a big deal and he really opened my eyes to what birth control really is for females.

[@AznsrFUNNY]

I referenced him in my comment about how he goes over as to why there isn't male birth control. I would like to see if Dr. Hill would be willing to expand on why there isn't instead of just what she had said in this episode.

[@otheh2636]

@@AznsrFUNNY Yes!!! I thought her thoughts on that were incomplete.

[@brianmeen2158]

Chris should have Derek on!

[@johnglenn2539]

I don't say this to provoke: the pill led to sub-replacememt fertility rates, which leads to societal collapse via mass, unassimilating immigration. There's no other conclusion that adds up.

[@cristitone5738]

I wanted to write this comment but you were one step forward. Hoping to see Derek one day as a guest on this podcast

[@mrsnoname7849]

Never again for me. With 16, I had really bad acne and it was common at that time to get the pill prescribed . One of the worst decisions I made in my life. After that I got really bad depression phases on and on, vaginal fungus nearly every month, headaches and my libido was non existent. I also was so dry „down there“, that every sexual activity was so painful for me, that I stopped to have sex. I never even thought about it, that the pill could be the cause. I only thought , that there is something wrong with me. This went on, till 22. I also changed the pill a few times. With 22 I had to stop with the pill, because my blood was bad and I was at risk to get thrombosis. I mention , that I’m a women with 58kg and I never smoked. After that my life changed completely within a few month. All the symptoms were gone and sex got enjoyable for me, for the first time. Yes …. My acne came back and it took 5 years to clear it up, but who cares, I enjoyed my life and felt like myself for the first time. I also suffered from infertility for nearly 2 years. All gynecologist’s said , that I had pcos. My ovaries were full of cysts. And the only therapy would be, to take the pill. So I should take the pill to get fertile, somehow strange. I said no and changed my lifestyle. The cysts got healed and I have two healthy ovaries now. After all this years , I found only one doctor, who said to me, that the pill was the cause of my infertility. Somehow sad.

[@wmhs02dm]

Same and at 16 you likely were not warned

[@HeyyyitsBell]

What lifestyle changes did you make to recover from the ovarian cysts?

[@barrydaemi6287]

Most doctors have bought into the feminists propaganda and fake science; also, they don't have the financial incentive to question the already established medical norms. But thankfully, you and a doctor were critical thinking enough to see through the feminists lies. The Scientific method is a fragile and difficult procress to implement but profoundly powerful in discerning objective truth in our physical world. In turn, ideologies such as, Feminism, which lack the critical component of objective skepticism, fail to contain the critical components of science; objective critique and debate. All scientific models are wrong, but to what degree are they wrong; in essence, all Scientific models approximate reality to the best of it ability to do so, and there quality as a model is determined by the goodness-of-fit of that model in explaining physical reality, and how it fit within the already established objective truth. For example, linear regression is a linear approximation of data; it is a linear system of equations represented by matrix A, vectors x and b; e.g., A * x = b where A * x is not equal to b, and so no solution x exist for this linear system of equation. In fact, only an approximate solution x exists, which solves A*x approximately equal to b, with a nonzero error; A*x + error = b. And so this model tries to explain reality to the best of it ability, but as no solution exists for A*x=b, only an approximate solution, and only an approximate explanation exists - which is wrong in explaining reality as it is not the objective Mathematical model; but it is the least wrong compared to another Scientific model. This nuance is not understood in political ideology or arguments; they see objective truth and nothing else. Ideology driven people fail to see the difficulty in discerning objective truth, and the importance of resistance against simplistic lies or comforting ignorance of objective truth and the difficult toils to find it.

[@mrsnoname7849]

@@HeyyyitsBell for the most part I reduced the amount of cow milk products and meat. I’m still not a vegetarian but now I only eat a maximum of three meals with meat per week and I stopped to consume cow milk for the most part. The hormones in cow milk can imbalance our hormones. And overconsumption from meat is overall not really healthy. I started to do more sport. But to be honest, it takes time to treat ovary cysts naturally. I had to be really patient and suffered under a lot of pain every month, when my period started. I cried a lot to be honest. And it took me nearly 2 years to heal it I think. I always had pain killers with me, if the pain got unbearable . My doctor told me, that the pain comes from the fact, that the cysts ruptured one by one. But nowadays I’m already cyst free for 4 years and I’m also completely pain free . I’m happy I stood it through to the end without getting back to the pill.

[@MadelaineGerman]

Two years ago I made a conscious decision to go off all birth control - and instead become incredibly selective about my sexual partners. I promised myself I would only be sexually intimate with men who: 1) per their character, their child I would be honored to carry 2) men who I trusted would stick around to care for me and said possible child, and 3) men who made me feel 💯 safe; emotionally, personally and financially. The biggest surprise I experienced was how positively inspiring my stance was to *every* man I’ve since met. They LOVED it. It seemed like sharing my sexual standard with them actually awakened a deep, ancestral memory calling to step into the masculine mindset of proving themselves “worthy” of access to a woman’s heart + body. I’ve never felt more respected by men. Ladies, it’s a game-changer. Sure, it takes discipline. You’ll be alone, you’ll have way less (casual) sex. But your world will open up in ways you never imagined. My entire life changed when I dropped the lies of second-wave feminism and stopped trying to fight millions of years of evolutionary biology to instead lean into the strength of TRUE feminine power - our role as the sexual selectors and movers-forward of the Human species. LOVE this interview, thank you Chris!!!

[@darrenhartigan3033]

Well done you. You sound like a keeper

[@Portekberm]

I hope you find some to have a family with

[@dipro001]

i would respect that myself as a guy

[@Shikatsuyatsuke]

Yeap, you're completely correct in this. Women with mindsets like this are the ones that have the most positive impacts on the males around them, and as a result inspire these men to be better individuals and more positive contributors to society. Then when more men live up to the standards you expressed here, more women end up finding partners they're actually happy and satisfied with. It's a wonderful and natural cycle that feeds into itself when not tampered with.

[@hansblitz7770]

If you've been riding the carousel then you don't deserve any of that.

[@victoriaholmes675]

I remember senior year of HS/freshman year of college when all my friends went on birth control and they all hated it. I remember one girl looking at herself in the mirror complaining about her acne and weight gain crying. Just watching them go through that put me off. I also never saw the use of it for me personally, but my doctors always pushed me to be on it even though I had no use for it. I always thought that was weird

[@tpl2023]

Financial reasons probably.

[@Azygos1986]

Well it’s a sacramental of the new religion of sex worship. I’m also not surprised that these class 1 carcinogens that cause breast cancer are never mentioned when someone has breast cancer or during breast cancer awareness month, etc.

[@seanbyers6736]

TRUST THE EXPERTS, PLEBEIAN!!!

[@januarysson5633]

The medical schools work hand in hand with Big Pharma.

[@wanjawandia1786]

Yeah I noticed that as well. I’m religious nd healthy girl. I have no need for birth control and yet doctors would keep trying to get my mom to put me on it. I almost fell for it too since all my friends were on birth control too. Luckily my mother is a nurse herself and shielded it from me. God bless her.

[@tonycrouse6544]

I usually know when my wife is fertile. She just acts differently. She is more flirtatious, more affectionate, takes more time to get her makeup perfect and she wears more skirts and dresses. Just more feminine. And she is definitely more intimate! This all happened after she got off the pill. (that's a lot of mores!)

[@hamsterbox4732]

Wait, til she comes into the change and no circle. Man will tell you great, no fear of pregnancy any longer, she will be relaxed....But I tell you as a woman, no circle, no fun, body never ready....and then men want to hormon bombard us again .... I guess how mankind developed man and woman were not supposed to live in their 60's.... hence never was a problem.

[@VulcanXIV]

Glad to know you don't seem to have the horror story of the woman losing attraction to you after dropping the pill

[@Tate525]

You must look Chad or relatively masculine, most women are horrified with who they are dating once they are of birth control.

[@amh00130]

I tried hormonal birth control in my early 20s - two different types of pills. My doctor kept assuring me that I just needed to "find the right one." Never again. I had every bad side effect imaginable. Acne, mood swings, sore breasts and bloated 24/7, lower back pain, no libido, anxiety (I had my first panic attack on the pill and NEVER again once I went off), depression and finally suicidal thoughts. I could not understand why I was feeling this way and it terrified me. Once I realized it was the pill I told my doctor no more and went off. She still wanted me to try other forms of hormones. NOPE. It took about a year until I felt like myself again. Oh and I was no longer attracted to my wonderful boyfriend at the time. Felt horrible about it. I really wish more young women understood how awful this stuff can be. Fertility awareness definitely works (my method for the last decade) and is all natural!

[@Mistical1982]

Same here. When I went to the doctors they just prescribed me ant-depressants. I ruined my 20s. I’ve used FAM since 2012 (messed up once and had a baby!).

[@grannyannie2948]

I suffer from depression and have never taken the pill really, as it makes my condition worse. I've concluded it's wrong to take something to prevent your body doing its normal function. Fertility awareness, it was called the rhythm method back then, combined with the occasional use of a condom worked fine for me, all of my pregnancies were planned. I have been married my whole adult life, I don't know how it works out for single women.

[@umiluv]

And they tell you the rhythm method doesn’t work when it totally does for women who have a very stable cycle. It’s a scam by big Pharma to say the rhythm method doesn’t work.

[@umiluv]

@@grannyannie2948 - what up granny Annie! We come from the same era lol. I’ve only ever known it as the rhythm method lol.

[@grannyannie2948]

@@umiluv Yes lol, I wasn't sure if it was time, or living in another country, I'm in Australia lol. I'm also surprised she never mentioned the diaphragm which women could control but didn't change their hormones, it was what a lot of married women used before the pill.

[@TumbleSensei]

I saw it firsthand in my sister, weight gain, anxiety, depression. Found out later through reading about estrogen from the Endocrinologist Ray Peat that it is a growth factor and lowers mitochondrial respiration. I understand its incredibly liberating for some but it seems the estrogen industry tried to cover up that REAL progesterone can be used for the same purpose in sufficiently high quantities but its very expensive to make (relative to estrogens) bio-identitical so they end up making synthetic progestins which are estrogenic in action because of the Estrane skeleton. No one should have to deal with this.

[@LukeLane1984]

Levonorgestrel is a nasty compound, indeed. Most birth control pills also contain ethinylestradiol to supplement estrogen, because Levonorgestrel basically chemically castrates a woman by almost completely shutting down the natural production of estrogens. This is pretty crazy of you think about it. There are also some in vitro studies showing that Levonorgestrel can actually promote the growth of certain types of breast cancer cells.

[@TumbleSensei]

Yes! It shuts down ALL your natural hormone productions including progesterone. And gives you a daily dose of estrogen for 3 weeks and one weeks break. When estrogen is really only supposed to raise once per month for about 12 hours. Estrogen is extremely important for preparing an egg BUT it is a growth factor and getting it daily stops mitochondrial respiration and leads to cancer

[@LukeLane1984]

​@@TumbleSensei Makes me wonder if the high occurrence of breast cancer we see nowadays is actually caused by hormonal birth control. There are different types of breast cancer, though. Not every type of cancer cells grow in response to estrogen or progesterone, but as far as I know those types are pretty common. That's why Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators or Aromatase Inhibitors are pretty common in the treatment of breast cancer. Birth control pills are probably one of the most widely used pharmaceuticals in the world. Even by girls who are still going through puberty. I can only imagine the effects this can have on a young, developing brain. It's crazy.

[@generaljeneral7503]

DOCTOR RAYYYYYY PEATTTTTT

[@anhedonianepiphany5588]

No, progestins are, by definition, _not_ estrogenic. Actual progesterone would have the same negative consequences, in addition to having to be injected due to extremely low oral bioavailability. There’s a bizarre logical chasm in your reasoning.

[@lenjavick3627]

My partner started birth control during our relationship and the differences were night and day. Before the hormones she would often compliment me on my masculinity and had libido. Afterwards it’s like we’re just live in roommates; no interest in my body, no libido, much more mechanical thinking. She had debilitating menstrual cycles so I’m glad she’s not suffering every month like she used to but to say the changes haven’t strained aspects of our relationship would be lying

[@OUpsychChick]

The question nobody bothers to ask is why is her period debilitating? Doctors don't care as long as they can use a birth control bandaid on it, but there is typically an underlying issue that can be addressed.

[@OUpsychChick]

"The Period Repair" manual is a book I recommend

[@karhart6663]

I recommend a hormone-balancing program. They can be expensive but I didn't believe it when I was told how periods aren't supposed to be painful with terrible bloating. I did the program and balance my hormones naturally and was astounded when I got my period and barely knew it aside from having to use products.

[@Dartht33bagger]

Same. I had two exes in the past who were not on the pill when we started dating. They decided to go on it a few months in and the change was night at day. Zero libido, change in mood, weight gain, acne, etc. I'd never want to go through that again.

[@bingusmctingus4395]

Have her cut out gluten and go low carb diet. There's a few studies showing a significant improvement with women that have dysmenorrhea.

[@annadidier3953]

This is what the Catholic Church has been teaching about birth control for the last 60+ years. There is a talk done by Dr. Janet Smith called “Contraception, Why not” and she goes into almost everything talked about in this video. This is awesome! Thank you for speaking the truth!

[@ivanronin8209]

Only Problem with the Catholic Church is that their Priests are Mostly Pedo and Rape Boys ! The Anglo Church too ! They did it to me many years ago but the Fuccccking Fake media is Crickets !

[@honzo1078]

Without denying that there is some wisdom to be found in the Catholic Church, the Church also has a very different agenda at work that has to do with supporting an oppressively hierarchical state. The transition from agrarian feudalism to industrial and now post-industrial capitalism has focused on this- it's not the 'right' ruling hierarchy, so the wisdom is ignored. I think it's interesting that in Eastern European countries that once were associated with the Soviet Bloc, 'traditional values' are still very much in vogue. I have no idea where birth control fits into that.

[@rezkerry8809]

@@honzo1078 I think you have an overly simplified view of the CC’s agenda, and associate it much too closely with the economy. But I could be misunderstanding your comment. Would you care to elaborate? The CC’s teaching on birth control is basically that sex and conception are holy because they take part in God’s creative act of bringing a new human life, body and immortal soul, into existence. Therefore procreation should be treated as holy and not taken casually, the act should not be separated from the consequence (no artificial birth control) nor the consequence from the act (no IVF).

[@honzo1078]

@@rezkerry8809 The CC's teachings on birth control have not historically been as gentle as you suggest. That's beside my point, however, which is that the fundamental role in the material world in which the CC existed was to support the feudal hierarchy. Regardless of the ideas of saints and mystics, the Church hierarchy tailored its message to support feudalism. It's own structure was and is largely feudal. My point is that the 'traditional values' of the CC were in conflict with the 'revolutionary values' of emergent capitalism. They still are. So whatever wisdom exists in the Church, and there is some, by any rational standard, has been rejected because the Church (and those values) are out of step with contemporary values, which are also an expression of the economic system in which we live. I would argue, that despite its problems, the CC was actually more closely aligned with basic human needs than contemporary ideas of individual freedom are, for the simple reason that people were of greater value in the feudal economy than they are now.

[@BjorckBengt]

Nope, the Church is in it just for themselves. Anything which helps maintain the patriarchy is good. They have no concern about people dying from STDS when not using condoms. They are doing the devils work.

[@AZrakoon]

One of the main problem lies with a lot women, and men too. Having their emotions decide for them, people dont sit down and rationalize what kind of person they should have relations with.

[@fashioniconjaylienkay]

Yes! So true.

[@leahwilliams9333]

Meh, maybe but in my experience physical attraction is likely more important than all the other pragmatic filler stuff. More important than personality quirks.

[@Mistical1982]

This happened to me 10 years ago. I had been on the pill for 13 years, throughout my 20s, and I was very emotional during that time. I felt depressed and ruined relationships. In 2012 I decided to come off the pill and use the FAM instead. In those first few months my mental health improved - I felt amazing! I reached out to my family and friends. Also, my taste in men switched from slim build to muscular! I haven’t touched the pill since.

[@adultdeleted]

@Jane B Robbins wtf yes it can always get worse

[@marniekilbourne608]

Hmmm...I noticed no effects or changes myself. Not in my mental health, social life, family life, sex drive or who I was attracted to. I have never had a certain "type" when it comes to men. It is an individual thing and they range greatly in looks and build and how they dress.

[@DomenicT]

Considering the discussion in this episode, have we seen this shift in unhappy marriages and divorce initiated by women because they choose their partners while on birth control? Therefore they choose less so on masculinity and physical attraction and then when they decide to get married and have kids and come off the pill, they basically wake up to an unattractive partner. Thus we’re going to get less sexual satisfaction in the marriage over time, less attraction, etc. that leaves a lot on personalities alone to keep people together, plus marriages with little to no sex are typically unhappy for both partners. Man if true this really sucks!

[@gilgamecha]

I believe my marriage was affected by this, yeah. ☹️

[@gilgamecha]

@@kc6810 and that's the naive selfish consumerist attitude that first destroys families, then destroys society. Marriage is not a sex hookup. It's a lifetime commitment and the bedrock of a thriving society. Instead we have a sick and dying one.

[@midmomom2490]

It’s true!!

[@zenden6564]

@@kc6810 that is certainly so, but this adds an extra level of likelihood to divorce. Consider average 1st marriages only last 8 years.

[@anhedonianepiphany5588]

Please don’t give fickle women another excuse for their bad decisions. Any effect of exogenous sex hormones will be minimal compared to personality deficits and psychiatric disorders.

[@Artist.359.]

I originally went on the pill at 18 to balance my hormones, not mainly for preventing pregnancy. It got rid of my cystic acne and painful heavy periods. I dont miss my periods and acne and wonder if i had undiagnosed endometriosis, pcos, or fibroids.

[@alexodonnal3352]

Yeah my girlfriend just stopped taking her birth control after 11 years, wish us luck 😅

[@ChrisWillx]

Godspeed Alex

[@ivanronin8209]

You waited for 11 Years and no Say ???? You are a cuck Guy eh ? Disgusting Fake Relationship ! Run men run away ! She is a Feminists Woke !

[@NickTerry]

Boost your attractiveness, then it'll be a positive and noticed change.

[@adriansanchez4875]

😂now's the time to get on TRT , 1000ng/dl we go

[@dale116dot7]

The pill was almost certainly a major cause of my divorce. I got snipped (my choice), she went off the pill. Her libido jumped up dramatically, but her preference in men also changed dramatically.

[@brent4073]

Same in my divorce. Ex wife got off the pill, got PCOS because of the pill so she stopped getting her period, she had to take clomid after a year "he divorce drug" and she freaked out and came home from a fertility appointment to tell me she wants a divorce.

[@gennasommers8485]

My daughter had horrible periods , acne and would miss 3 days of school each cycle. Birth control was a game changer for her, skin cleared up, lost weight, not in pain. For some women it’s great

[@britneybij3997]

When I didn't take birth control: Horrible acne, overweight, crabby, cried days on end, couldn't go to work from pain, over eating and throwing up, manic shopping Now that I'm on birth control: rare acne, losing Weight, friendlier, don't cry as often , missing less work, never throw up, saving money Also I ain't anyone's type so my sex life is just a conspiracy theory at this point. But Birth control has helped me manage many things better and I am looking better than when I was 18 before I got started on it. Some people's natural hormones just attack them

[@ms-jl6dl]

Not true that "you're nobody's type",that's a joke. Dress yourself up and get out alone to places where more masculine man congregate (motorcycle shops,sports games,video-game shops(?),churches(!),whatever you can think about. Think woman,think. And watch the results afterwards.

[@aisherwasher6959]

There's undoubtedly value in birth control, but it sounds overprescribed like many medications. Glad it works for you 😊

[@vancouvervixen4253]

This is just fascinating and NEEDS to be discussed openly and thoroughly. I know several women who have different feelings toward their partners after coming off hormonal birth control, it’s wild. My anecdotal contribution: I’m very fortunate that I didn’t fall in the feminism trap… but I DID go on low dose hormonal birth control at 15 as a result of heavy periods/bad cramps. It was prescribed quickly and casually and with a side note “and you’re protected too”… which ironically was totally unnecessary because I had no intention of getting into bed with anyone but my future husband (not a religious decision, just choosy… and trust me I had plenty of opportunity. 5’1, blonde, green eyes, hourglass figure, ballet dancer… I had options.) I’m grateful it didn’t impact my ability to choose my husband negatively because I still selected a man that is very alpha (in the healthy sense) and traditionally masculine, physical, strong, good looking, AND a great provider and protector with access to his emotions, good sense of humor, caring, generous in bed … yes he’s really that great, and he was the first man I let have access to me which was one of the best decisions of my life. It’s interesting what she said about coming off birth control making you MORE interested in a sexually appealing partner because wow did that happen to me! I’ve always had a high sex drive (even when not engaging in sex), had a very high physical attraction quotient for him and we had a lot of great sex from the start, but wow when I switched from hormonal birth control to the copper iud my interest and sex drive went even Higher and he was (is!) even MORE attractive to me. 13 years married/15 years together this continues to be the case… and the way he smells to me, omg that was one thing that spiked too, he laughs at me a little sometimes because I just want to climb him like a tree when he comes home from work a little sweaty and just reeking of testosterone and cologne (and sometimes the very faint whiff of underlying bullet proof vest/plate carrier 😉). Other things I noticed: - much more level mood especially when my body readjusted - periods were heavy again for a bit, but after about 2 years leveled out to better than they were even on hormonal birth control - better orgasms… and they were already great to begin with 🙌🏻 Those are the most obvious ones. The world of hormones is complex and fascinating and we’re all doing ourselves a disservice by not discussing it openly and frankly and honestly so I love conversations like this.

[@ChrisWillx]

Very interesting, thanks for sharing

[@superduperfly6076]

Tricking your body in being pregnant for years takes a toll on your body and mind!! Not only is it unnatural but moreover it is messing up your normal hormones which have a huge impact on all of your body and senses. I could even imagine getting older much faster. This video just reassures everything I was imagining. Let alone all the 'side effects' up until death from thrombosis, heart failures etc.

[@stevefrench7036]

Damn Chris, your podcasts are a hub for knowledge, and your guests all bring together a fascinating view of the world. Times have been trying lately but, just taking a walk outside listening to this, even though the information is sometimes frightening, it really opens the mind and brightens life! Thank you so much for all you people's hard work

[@lordofgingers]

The birth control pill absolutely was the watershed moment that altered the course of mating and how it works....a.k.a. put us on the course that led to the mating crisis. It isn't the only factor, but it's a major moment in human history as a species

[@kamalvipul9213]

Their was a study done in the 1st half of the 1900's - somewhere btw the 30'-50's about the risk of overpopulation. Many educated people in different fields were brought together to find solutions. And one of them is what you mentioned. This was engineered to bring people to not have as many children as in the past (families of 6 to 10 kids). Feminism is another one of the solution - bringing the sexes against each other.

[@lordofgingers]

@@kamalvipul9213 It is always a function of the times. Attitudes will no doubt change if the population continues to decline. Then, when it gets too high, it will change again. This is assuming that automation doesn't make humans obsolete BEFORE the population crisis

[@midmomom2490]

@@kc6810 That’s not everyone’s opinion 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@pandakicker1]

@@kc6810 At a time when infant and child mortality rates were high, it was a good idea to have many children to ensure that at least a few of them will make it to adulthood.

[@skylinefever]

@@kamalvipul9213 I suppose there wasn't as much urbanization and industrialization, and those two things also do an excellent job of lowering birth rates. Once you can't exploit your children's labor, few people can be bothered to have any.

[@itamarbendavid]

Fantastic conversation- well done Chris

[@tomz1daful]

This happened with my (now) ex wife. I'm a "5" in looks department, and when my (ex) wife stopped taking hormonal birth control, she just lost interest in intimacy with me... she was usually irritable and full of reasons why intimacy was NOT on her schedule... eventually, for years. I believe she did try to spark something, but she became more irritable. Eventually, she found nearly all of my shortcomings, and filed for a rather contentious divorce... at first. She, about a year later, made a gesture of a "truce" towards me, and suddenly just backed off of the hostility she felt when dealing with me. She was angry on how things happened between us, but didn't know why she felt the way she did, other than it was "regretful". It was after she had to have a complete hysterectomy much later of our divorce she actually and sincerely apologized for her behavior during the divorce. She was put on HRT to regulate her hormones... like she was, back when I first met her...

[@mrs.garcia6978]

“Hey let’s take a Carcinogenic endocrine-disrupt or every month for decades, I’m sure it’s safe!”

[@FeatherCreature]

Been using the symtothermal method of cycle charting for 8 Years succesfully. And the Insight into your body and how it works is insanely interesting!

[@grannyannie2948]

It's worked for me my whole adult life, combined with condoms during fertile periods. All my pregnancies were planned. I was married though and it was a team effort.

[@iblisthemage]

What I dont get is if the answer is abstinencw during ovulation, where lust and passion is the greatest…?

[@hpal]

And this is where we learn to appreciate self-control because it teaches us to forego if we don’t want the result of a child in that moment

[@iblisthemage]

@@hpal so no sex when it feels the best? No paint because the walls should be grey? Only porridge for food? Pleasure is bad? Repressed much?

[@dominikapinkowski4209]

This was amazing, such great info! Thank you!!

[@negarhgp7429]

I loved this!!! As always your work doesn’t disappoint!!! Thanks Chris!

[@JH-sn8kg]

What a great topic. This is Information the public should definitely be aware of.

[@78JCarter]

This is the most interesting interview I have listened to in a long time.

[@andrewblake2254]

Excellent discussion guys.

[@its__VP]

Really great interview/podcast episode as always, Chris! Would be awesome if you had Dr. Sara Gottfried on to talk about this topic even more - her work in gynaecology and hormonal health is truly unparalleled. For those interested to learn more on this topic, Dr. Gottfried was recently on Huberman's podcast (100% recommend that episode). Would also recommend Dr. Stephanie Buttermore's series on training and the menstrual cycle (includes info about hormonal birth control as well).

[@pinjeeth]

Amazing stuff from Dr Hill, next stop JRE and Lex!!

[@jimluebke3869]

Yup, the research for pregnant women preferring more neutered men is well-established from a while back. The idea that women on hormonal birth control, which simulates pregnancy to prevent further pregnancy, would have the same effect is kind of a no-brainer.

[@Sisterlisk]

Yes, but it needs to be acknowledged and talked about openly.

[@chrisf247]

Extremely interesting discussion! I've never thought about it like this, but we as a society both know that hormones have drastic changes on behaviors, but also (confusingly) assume that all of our preferences regarding our partners are innate and not influenced by hormonal changes.

[@pandakicker1]

Humans with ideology are stupid as hell and ignore nature. They have to suffer the consequences of their stupidity while trying to stick it to muh patriarchy.

[@thecommonword6996]

An important and interesting discussion: CW deserves credit for wading into this difficult and controversial area.

[@Mzie-michael]

Thank you very much for the episode. Learnt a lot.

[@miggio0]

I used to not really like your podcast, but man, have you grown on me. Your ability to ask great questions and get your guests to cut into the core of their work. Well done. This conversation about birth control really opened my eyes to how society has changed because of it. The analogy of the deer was right on the nose.

[@_zantetsuken_]

That's what a good podcast is about. Generate good questions by listening deeply instead of just monologuing from one prewritten question to another.

[@dr.syndrome9165]

Apparently, as Chris mentioned, I am not the only one to watch podcasts at 2X speed!!

[@helenatroy33]

This is so eye opening. I actually think you've cracked the code.

[@KNuzX]

I definitely agree with the comments, being susceptible to mind alterating prescriptions drugs for so long and how so much can change off of them. Unfathomable its just a societal and norm of the establishment. Learned a great sense of perspective from this. Thanks for posting Chris and to Dr. Hill for sharing the knowledge!

[@BR-yg8nm]

THIS IS SO FASCINATING!! Ahhh! Love it! ❤ I'm so glad I've never been on any kind of birth control

[@isaaccranedp]

This was such an enlightening conversation, especially as a young man. Thank you both!!

[@tantalus9306]

Aydin Paladin did a good one on the pill too.

[@Tate525]

It's always great to see things like these are discussed openly online.

[@salmiakki7652]

Incredibly important conversation, I'm so glad I tuned in. When I turned 14 my mother tried to force me onto birth control because she was terrified I'd get pregnant as a teenager following in her footsteps. She kept pushing and pushing (and at the time I was strongly baptist and was adamant on waiting to marriage). I finally snapped one day and sent my father an email containing every one of the studies that were brought up about side effects, brain changes, mood changes, physical effects and that put an end to her pushing. Personally I didn't want to chemically be someone I wasn't, I wanted to be the natural version of myself untampered with and so years later I got a copper IUD. The only time I ever have touched hormonal anything was taking plan B once, and it messed me up so badly about 8 hours after taking it. I'd been content for most of the day, all of the sudden in the snap of of a finger I was crying uncontrollably and the entire night it was like a pendulum swinging back and forth between anger and crying with absolutely no reason. That really reinforced my convictions that hormonal birth control was not for me. I dated and eventually married an objectively very masculine man, and I've always been attracted to very masculine men. It really makes me wonder how many girls start hormonal birth control at 14 when they want to have sex, when their mothers pressure them, or they have normal period side effects and have been living in greyscale and don't know who they are without being medicated. Personally I couldn't recommend the copper IUD more, only side effect being periods were more painful for the first year and it hurt to get put in.

[@zenden6564]

And surely there is also a link with teenage women taking the pill and it affecting the still forming brain, as we now know it takes until ~22yo before the female brain has completed its formation.

[@chelseabarker2250]

For anyone reading this, I almost talked someone into getting the copper implant (never had it myself, just knew it to be natural) BUT I have since gone back on that because it can cause abortion and ectopic pregnancy.

[@mvmlego1212]

@@chelseabarker2250 -- Thank you for noting this. I've been discussing birth control methods with my fiance recently, and this was exactly the point that dissuaded us from a copper IUD. Right now, we're leaning toward a combination of cycle-tracking to determine her fertile days, and on those days using condoms, plus perhaps reducing the frequency of vaginal intercourse. It's not ideal, but it might be optimal. I'd be happy to hear other ideas, though.

[@chelseabarker2250]

@mvmlego1212 at a certain point you do have to just trust that things will work out and know that you are married to have the most stable situation in the world to bring a child into. We always did the pull out method which I know is not foolproof but both our children were planned and then my husband got a vasectomy to make it much harder for it to happen again. We aren't sure I would survive another pregnancy BUT God's ways are better than mine and if He chooses to give us a vasectomy baby then we will accept that haha 😄

[@mvmlego1212]

@@chelseabarker2250 -- Thanks for the reassurance.

[@brittasdanceqi]

I wonder what her thoughts are on the Copper IUD. I literally was going insane when I attempted hormonal birth control, but I and my husband really love my IUD. It's insane how much gets affected by messing w/hormones! I always felt like I was losing my mind on it, my libido vanished, I gained tons of weight & was super depressed...my Copper IUD has been a life saver!

[@salmiakki7652]

Right? I had one too and if I ever had a friend/daughter ask me about birth control, I'd recommend the copper IUD, never messed around with hormonal birth control, I dated and eventually married an objectively very masculine man, I still felt like myself, only trade off is that it can be quite painful, especially in the beginning

[@brittasdanceqi]

@@salmiakki7652 See, I've heard that from a handful of women. I think I was just lucky in getting a really skilled OBGYN or something because mine has never given me any trouble. She might have just been a pro at placing the thing.

[@salmiakki7652]

@@brittasdanceqi I remember the initial appointment the GYN ordered the smallest size one for me saying he was pretty sure it would be the best fit and measured when he put it in to make sure it fit properly, I wonder if that's standard or sometimes they get the size wrong

[@brittasdanceqi]

@@salmiakki7652 They put mine in 6 weeks after I gave birth, so your cervix might be more open then or something. A bunch of the docs here in Utah refused to give me one til I had a kid. Not sure if that is what made such a big difference for me, but I had tried the other crap and it made me so ill, and crazy, that my husband was like, "We'll just do condoms because I can see this is rough on you." Then once our child was born I finally got my IUD and it was so nice! Another nurse told me sometimes they are easier to place when you are cycling. Sounds icky, but she was like "Oh, it's no problem! They are actually much easier to get in that way." So yeah. The hormones around your cervix might have something to do with the ease of the placement. Maybe.

[@salmiakki7652]

@@brittasdanceqi that's wild, I'm in Canada, at the time I'd never been pregnant, never given birth, and they were willing to do it no muss no fuss besides the usual Canadian wait times

[@SaneMillennial]

This was a great talk, which gave me new ideas I've never thought of before! So glad I stopped being on birth control years ago. I can't say that being on it changed my attraction to men though. I've always liked a few different types of men, and sometimes feminine looking men, but that was even before I ever started BC. I like the rugged muscular look too though.

[@gelflingfay]

This is an exciting conversation.

[@isobel5175]

Wow amazing interview!

[@jimluebke3869]

"A conversation between mothers and daughters with fathers being silent" Any discussion that does not include an interested party, runs the risk of being rejected by that party. The idea that men should be silent at any point is one of the reasons we're seeing such open war between the sexes these days.

[@chelseabarker2250]

Right. Imagine nowadays if men tried to tell women they had to be silent. Lol

[@jimluebke3869]

@@chelseabarker2250 I'm not sure that there was any point in history you see women being silenced -- look back at historical accounts, or even novels. If they were silent, it was usually out of passive-aggression.

[@Foxie770]

Women have known about cycle tracking and natural pregnancy prevention since the beginning of time. Post-industrial revolution we stopped paying attention to our bodies and stopped teaching our daughters how to manage their own fertility.

[@bootscooty]

I got off HBC in my 20s and never looked back. I'm glad now, reading a few studies about how it may cause cancer.

[@lisayoder5686]

Wow. I have personally had my issues with birth control pills that perhaps made me slew more toward thinking naturally instead of imitation ‘feelings’ created from the hormones in the pill. This is fascinating and explains aLOT toward my confusion of what has happened in the world. I feel like we are being pushed toward ‘desiring’ only money and position and away from everything natural and fighting it so hard! This is fascinating and I will be rewatching it again and again. I could never wrap my brain around how weaker men and stronger women was supposed to be making everything better. And I wondered why everything changed since 2000 mostly (that’s when I really noticed, and was actually told that I would eventually settle down with someone I wasn’t currently attracted to because when you (me) ‘mature’ you will not look for who you are attracted to, but who will give you financial security…I never understood that, and even being perimenopausal now and never having experienced that, I understand it even less. I am still not impressed with money or stuff. Yet everywhere I look, it seems that’s all everyone else cares about! That’s messed up! It isn’t in nature to only care about money! Yes, females look to be taken care of and these days money is part of it, but it’s not everything! I’d even argue it is the least important thing…except for the fact that all of these ‘good providers’ are driving up the prices so high that we are all forced into that fake world just to afford the most basic bills. Low T epidemic explains a lot. Even calling it ‘low t’ to make it sound cool or ‘with it’ is disgusting. I think we must change back to nature (not unwanted pregnancies, but how about a happy medium?!?!) or we have no chance. Low t men will be the death of humanity and overly powerful women creating that situation. This is insanity.

[@stephens2663]

The one I’ve been waiting for!

[@aham586]

Me too!

[@stephens2663]

@@kc6810 not many women use the pill? Really?

[@stephens2663]

@@kc6810 okay youre just talking pills. I'm talking all hormonal bc

[@stephens2663]

@@kc6810 agreed. However there are other hormonal birth controls other than the pill.

[@shayebug]

I was on hormonal bc for the most part 17-25. I didn't notice any real side effects but I worry what kind of effects it could of had on me and wish I knew all this. I use a copper IUD now. It still has some side effects for some people but I like that its non-hormonal and does not stop me from having my normal cycle.

[@forrestchristy6631]

Love it. Sincerely valuable

[@ipeteagles]

nice Guest, ty Dr. Hill

[@irowebot]

It's fascinating hearing all of this after running the experiment on our population for the past 50 years. Unplanned childlessness and postmenopausal depression are at all time highs from it and things will be an order of magnitude worse when non-hormonal male birth control starts rolling out in the next 2 or 3 years. Birth control may have been empowering for women, but it came at a very high cost for society. Excellent podcast btw! I hope to see her on again soon. Her argument at 9:30 was pretty weak though. Men's hormones fluctuate throughout the day to respond to things in real time. This type of reactive system is exactly the type of hormonal system you'd want for most jobs. A cyclical system that occasionally introduces chaos into the mix isn't predictable. Not unless you're intentionally tracking every woman in the office.

[@tylermabry6881]

"Impregnable" is a word, but it means impassable, or fortified, impenetrable.

[@jennybelinson8191]

I LOVE your podcast!!!!😊

[@charamcmunn6112]

I was surprised that there wasn’t more discussion regarding non hormonal options such as paraguard? This is a perfect platform to educate many women who struggled and were not offered other alternatives until later in life. Depo, gambit of pills and hormonal iud all led to depression

[@Athena_Athena00]

I have a non hormonal copper iud, side effects were bucked for the first few months ( intense bleed 😞) but it works good for me now.

[@HellCatt0770]

Women’s sexuality is considered unimportant and irrelevant in many areas of healthcare. It’s a BIG contrast to how important men’s sexuality is prioritised! It’s great to see this area getting some attention now.

[@dr1742]

Ok was enjoying all of the information given. It is very important that we understand all of the factors involved with anything used and the effects on ourselves and society. Now when we got to the reasons why when it comes to female vs. male birth control use, facts and data went out of the window for personal assertions and cultural considerations. There are so many studies and tests on Male birth control types leading to permanent infertility, I am not even sure I can allow for ignorance alone to be a consideration. Also the current "non-permanent" and non-damaging current male birth control method is called temporary vasectomy and that is when we get the vasectomy operation, but in a certain manner that allows for us to go back under the knife again later when we are prepared for starting a family. I am glad to see that something non-permanent and with less potential for bad effects exists, but it actually requires an operation. Also, as a guy who has had females lie about being on the pill (as have MANY others) some of these opinions are simply polarized in the favor of females instead of offering an obviously needed complete story . Nonetheless, this was still good. After all, no one can get everything right and people still have to push their personal considerations with such things. Sometimes to get to an audience that desperately needs to hear it. All together, well done.

[@DragonNo1]

Good interview! The fact that a book like the one written by Dr Hill could not be written by a man shows how the issue of birth control isn't just a biological or evolutionary issue, but a tool for control, which many women see as an opportunity to act upon the feminist ideology. This is the recognition that there's is an "undisclosed" war in which the intention is to defeat "man." I've never been so aware towards the end of this video that there's an outright hatred of men per se (not by you or Dr Hill, but floating in the "culture's air.") No mention of condoms or abstinence. I believe we should aim at the cultivation of wisdom individually and at a societal level, in such a way that men and women can fulfill their roles biologically, intellectually, productively, and spiritually towards the preservation of human life on earth. What I'm getting from this interview, and the one of Mary Harrington, with whom I agree entirely, is that we have to challenge the concept of "infinite freedom" because it's conducive to the atomization of society. That society is not a society but a ground for the "survival of the fittest." And I'm not a leftist or believe in any form of collectivism, but I believe in individual responsibility accompanying the freedoms (that we still have). The belief that everything can be traded or offered in a market is an infantile delusion of the (intelligent) fools. Wisdom and intelligence don't necessarily go on hand.

[@mspence0826]

I’m learning about Marquette Method right now, so I can track my hormones quantitatively and come off the pill. The depression and ABSENT libido aren’t worth it anymore. It’s a bit expensive but tracking hormones seems like a better alternative than absent minded pill taking that makes me feel ☠️.

[@juliuscaesarsimp3430]

28:10 not suprising when you consider that 50% of marriages are ending in divroce AND women initiate 80% 9f all divorces.

[@Itbunnygirl]

That's not the reason. The reason is both men and women work but men don't care about the household and chores. Proportionally women work more. Read studies on that. Let's not take into account your severe porn addiction, you're more prone to drug use and gambling. Also when men cheat they don't ask for divorce (irresponsibility)

[@MichaelConwayBaker]

Scary as Hell!! Great explanation! Thanks.

[@Christoff8188]

My partner went on birth control 18 months ago... I found out this morning that she's has had feelings - sexual and emotional - for a work colleague for most of that time. He's objectively less masculine than I am and currently ticks way more practical boxes (I had major surgery 12 months ago, in the last leg of recovery). She stayed because she claims to still love me and hoped it would dissipate once I was fully recovered. She also says she's felt constantly tired/lathargic, like she's struggling with work and basic day to day tasks, etc. I've known some of this and done what I can to help, but she still feels that way. All things mentioned in this video. We never argue (though she's definitely been more passive aggressive since going on it), our sex life hasn't changed much (maybe a slight decline, but it's still good), and I was certain we were always honest with each other. Hell, she admitted to looking up engagement rings just 18 months ago, around the time she went on BC. So this was a complete shock to me. But communication issues aside (I now need to decide if I can even trust her again), I genuinely think the birth control is the culprit (added in top of medical stresses). It's all too conveniently timed. She had no idea BC can do all this, which is one reason I'm so furious she didn't talk to me! What do you guys think? Should we try and make it work (remove BC and give it a few months)? Or is this not something people can come back from, and I should let her figure her feelings out herself?

[@searose6192]

Anything that we assume "doesn't seem to do anything else" always actually does something else and messing with it comes back to bite us.

[@JJmikra]

Not taking hormonal birth control doesn't mean there is no way to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Quality of condoms is better compared to 60's. It is possible to estimate when you're ovulating (it's not 100% accurate but you can estimate) and avoid having sex or be extra careful. There're also non hormonal birth controls. I finished university, got job and get married without taking hormonal birth control. I was sexually active (just at "average"level). It's possible

[@kringkingen]

Very interesting!

[@donjindra]

My wife and i got married in 1975. Maybe The Pill was a bit different then, I don't know. But we both noticed a personality change when she started taking those pills every day. Her sex drive definitely dropped. So we agreed that she shouldn't take them anymore after a few months.

[@joanndevine4780]

Exactly my experience too. I felt robbed of part of my life in retrospect

[@kristinatsourdalakis6531]

It’s so interesting to read in the comments about women who got acne after starting birth control. Birth control is the only thing I’ve found (so far) that REDUCES my acne! I’ve tried going off it twice and both times all of my cystic acne came flooding back. It was terrible for my self-esteem. I don’t enjoy the thought of being reliant on it to control my acne, but I think we also need to talk about how it can benefit some women. It’s certainly benefitted me in that respect (although I am wary about what else it may be doing). With that said, I can’t say I noticed a big difference in mood, libido and so forth whether I was on or off it.

[@ordeithx]

It might have to do with allergies towards the foods you were eating. Whenever I eat wheat, I get cystic acne. If you were taking birth control, it might have acted as an inhibitor.

[@grannyannie2948]

When I was in highschool in the 80s several girls I knew were prescribed it, not because they were sexually active, but to control acne.

[@kristinatsourdalakis6531]

@@ordeithx I’ve definitely considered that food may be playing a role. It’s just tricky to determine exactly which food(s) are the problem. The process of getting off the pill and systematically eliminating different foods for months on end to determine what the issue is, all the while having my acne raging… it’s a debilitating thought. Unless there’s some other process I’m not aware of?

[@grannyannie2948]

@@kristinatsourdalakis6531 Have you ever had a baby, and did that improve your acne ?

[@HenryPaulThe3rd]

Have you thought about trying Accutane?

[@leekflower1]

Why is no one talking about the fact that condoms are at least as effective as the pill and women's compulsion to not disappoint their partner by using a barrier method? We have to consider how we view and value ourselves by a.being willing to have multiple partners and outside of committed relationship and b. Are willing to destroy our bodies and suffer short and long term side effects because a condom doesn't feel as good to a guy. Also we have an obligation to inform men who think that unprotected sex is the norm and expected (this isnt their fault) how it is affecting our bodies and how it reduces desire for sex more dramatically and that will affect THEM too! In that discussion you may find out quickly the caliber of a man, whether they want to do you harm for a relatively small increase in pleasure. And so you would weed out partners pretty quickly. But this would require self control and the feminist movement has convinced our culture that you can do whatever u want whenever you want without consequences. We can see through this discussion that that is patently false.

[@rasputin2k851]

"small increase in pleasure" shows you have no idea what your talking about and have made up a completely false narrative. Why do this?

[@leekflower1]

@@rasputin2k851 even IF it were a significance difference in pleasure it would not justify the damage done to the woman's body to achieve it. And if it makes the woman so much less interested in sex, why would a guy support that either?

[@leekflower1]

It's also not particularly reliable either. I know lots of women who have gotten pregnant on it. That it was the solution to the 'problem' of pregnancy and self control was a lie from the beginning.

[@rasputin2k851]

@@leekflower1 two completely false premises. It doesn't destroy a women's body - this sort of hyperbole is pure absurdism. And it's far more likely to make a man less interested in sex, which is the thing you seem to have a problem with. Many women also prefer it without - allergies, intimacy, the organic flow of the mood are all impacted for both parties. Your entire frame of reference is out of touch with reality and sounds in-step with feminist dogma. It's pure nonsense

[@leekflower1]

@@rasputin2k851 lol I'm not even close to a feminist. You are highly uneducated about the effects of the pill. Did you even watch the video? The pill has done little to liberate women. Planned Parenthoods entire business model is to get 12 year olds on the pill and abortion by 16. Women who have one abortion by that age are at much greater risk to have more. If the pill was so effective why would they need abortions?

[@paul_fredrick]

EXTREMELY INSIGHTFUL

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

I’m the textbook case here, yeesh. Given the pill as a teen for acne and dealt with massive depression/agoraphobia/anxiety for next ten years. At 41 I’m a few months free of the birth control and anti-depressants and feeling much clearer; my cycle is better, the PMDD I have is shorter, I’m facing my emotions and learning how to deal with them and although I haven’t dated in a few years I’m becoming more interested in that again, with the knowledge that I have to choose very carefully. It’s a brave new world 😅 Thanks for this chat 👍

[@ivanronin8209]

And so many Women died Side effect and Cancer all Because of the Fake media and the Feminists lies and greedy Doctors !!! America is really a Evel Country . By the way , Are you sure your Depression is not a Couse of you Just being a Miserable Byaaatch ???

[@LadyMarigoldWithers]

@@ivanronin8209 grow up.

[@ordeithx]

It seems like a 'I want my cake and eat it too', sort of dilemma. If you want the outcome of casual sex, but also want the best mate you can attract. You will have to make some concessions.

[@juneelle370]

You will too. Women don’t want promiscuous men either. Morality only applied to one side is hypocrisy.

[@yd8104]

My pullout game is out of this world!

[@JM-ic9yx]

Love the episodes from educated women in the space; how better to understand some of the fundamental biological underpinnings of humanity than by discussing it with women educated on the topic

[@florencinemarearai-nash]

I never…not once thought about birth control…4 kids later🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤣….I didn’t need to be on it to know instinctually that it’s not right for the body…so scary the mass problems women r having due partly to birth control prescriptions by professionals without taking responsibility for the repercussions or really emphasising the side effects. What a sinister world this is.

[@topgmedia4702]

Hormonal birth control not Non hormonal birth control

[@houseofbrat]

The same could be said for the way many MDs prescribe/administer meds. I know a MD, who generally was more selective in prescribing meds, that prescribed some anti-depressants for her patient once because she felt sorry for her. It’s not just the drugs themselves but the way the medical profession approaches health.

[@IgnorancePleroma]

It’s a tough place, it seems, for women. If the pill helps you plan your life, but also hinders it I ways you cannot even predict, how can you give it up? However, I’m sure they’re are plenty of other alternatives, albeit one would have to perhaps be more careful, perhaps give up some sexual exercises (I.e. no one night stands or sleeping with men who couldn’t or do not want to be fathers)

[@grannyannie2948]

I took the pill for four weeks long ago and felt so peculiar I never took it again. For me it seems wrong to take a substance that prevents your body from performing it's natural function. There are contraceptions that don't do that.

[@kamalvipul9213]

''Capitalism'' - importance to capital. And this is what we get. An uncaring society, unaware of their actions, blinded by selfishness & greed.

[@leekflower1]

What's interesting is that fertility awareness methods have now surpassed the efficacy of chemical birth control. I know more women who have gotten pregnant on the pill than those who use fertility awareness.

[@ericdraven3654]

Very interesting.

[@maximumryan]

Brilliant!

[@DaftDriver]

I wonder if the rise in divorce rates is due to women choosing different men when on birth control compared to when they've stopped once they've had kids, there are many unforseen societal changes due to the rise of birth control use in modern times

[@bobcharles7933]

Maybe? But no-fault divorce is far more likely the major causal factor.

[@hephestosthalays2700]

That would make sense. Maybe this kind of research will touch on that in the future!

[@hansblitz7770]

The BC issue definitely matches up with the Alpha slays, Beta pays, phenomenon. A girl will date some meat head up to 25, 26, then, it is time to "settle" for beta Brad, because he is a nice guy and treats her like a "princess"

[@samrapheal1828]

"Correctamondo." Jmho.

[@templarmalta9946]

Whilst mens hormones may fluctuate its negligible and stable compared to the female hormonal and ovulation cycles. To conflate the two and intimate we are the same is observably wrong.

[@joshuakoch3165]

Good podcast as always. There is one thing in this episode that stood out to me. The statement that men's under performance in modern-day society is women's cross to bear. Large groups of women have decided to completely alter there mating strategy, and change how the are read by men on a pheromone level. Women across the board have lowered the standard for sexual access. Standards that have been in place for millions of years, in one form or another. After all that, we get the statement where are all the good men, and men's performance is not women's cross to bear in almost the same sentence is strange to my ear. What men do affects women and what women do affects men. They idea that these decisions take place in a vacuum that has no affect on others, and then when an affect is beginning to show itself, you take the stance that is not only not your fault, but not even your responsibility is sad to say the least.

[@honzo1078]

Great conversation. Adding up all the elements, my take away is that 'traditional values' have a critical role in sustaining civilization. I'm not religious, and have always found such doctrinal sources of social behavior repugnant, but as I get older and see more of how human beings actually behave, I have to say that a 'sexually repressive culture' is not such a bad thing in comparison to what we have now. The problem is, I think, that all of the material incentives, as well as the current cultural imperatives, argue for atomized individuals rather than even nuclear families, let alone extended family networks, which have historically been the foundation of society. My growing sensitivity to this has lead me to become something of a Confucian. The Confucian virtues are sadly lacking in our culture, but sadly I don't think that mere propaganda can possibly bring them into prominence in world dominated by corporate capitalism, birth control, and a fundamentally anti-family legal regime. The incentives all pull the same way, and it's not good.

[@LukeLane1984]

1:01:32 This is not really the explanation for why there is no male birth control pill. The problem is that it's SIGNIFICANTLY harder to halt spermatogenisis completely. You basically have to completely chemically castrate a male in order to do that. Which also completely crushes a man's sex drive, by lowering testosterone levels to that of the average woman's, and raising estradiol to levels where things like developing breast tissue (Gynecomastia) are common. You could ameliorate this by giving the male exogenous testosterone, and estrogen blockers, but this can also come with a host of different problems. Pharmaceutical companies have been working on male birth control for decades. It's just a LOT more complicated to stop the testes from producing millions of sperm cells a day than it is to stop the ovaries from releasing 1 egg cell once a month, without giving men a whole cocktail of different drugs. Some progress has been made. There is a new class of drugs called SARMs. These drugs emulate the role of Testosterone, but do so selectively when it comes which types of tissue they affect. Some of these have been somewhat effective in significantly reducing sperm count, but to completely halt the production, the dosages would have to be so high that it can cause serious physical side effects. Like liver damage, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, serious mood disorders, etc.

[@MomoSimone22]

They're running trials here in Australia on a new form of contraception for men. They inject something into their junk (I can't remember which part), but it seems almost like a plug that blocks sperm or something. I can't remember any of the details haha, all I remember is that they inject something into the guy. I saw it on the news last week.

[@LukeLane1984]

@@MomoSimone22 Yeah, I've heard about that. Seems like a much better option than the hormonal route. They inject this gel into the vas deferens, which is the tube that transports sperm cells out of the testes. The gel then hardens forming a temporary plug. It will eventually break down over time, I don't know how long it lasts, but I'm guessing at least a year or so, otherwise it wouldn't be viable. And I don't know what the actual success rate is. I'm excited to see the research results once they are made public. I would definitely be willing to do it if it would mean my partner wouldn't have to take hormonal birth control. I've studied pharmacology for a while, and I was pretty shocked when I learned about the effects of hormonal birth control for women. We need to get rid of that crap as soon as possible.

[@skylinefever]

Yes, I read about Vasalgel back in 2012, and how it was about 2 years away back then. However, I am certain that the pharma giants made sure it was trapped in developmental purgatory, as it would upset their businesses.

[@aisherwasher6959]

Wasn't there already a male birth control pill. I remember hearing that doctors didn't like the mental/ emotional impact it had on men. Was that the SARM you mentioned?

[@TumbleSensei]

I wonder what she thinks about Synthetic Progestins actually being estrogenic in action. Most synthetic progestins are made with an Estrane skeleton which activate estrogen receptor alpha and leads to activation of FAS (Fatty Acid Synthase). I also wonder what she thinks about estrogen actually being higher in ratio to progesterone during menopause since very few cells in the body can create progesterone, but every cell, and especially fat cells can create estrogen.

[@TheFrododentron]

Love how she expains something like this, that even our tiny men>:s brain may grasp it...just wow.

[@ninjababin0967]

I love your content

[@matchedimpedance]

How would a male pill even work? Without an answer to that, the real reason there is no male pill is we don’t know how to make one. It’s not for lack of demand if a good pill could be made.

[@obviouslyasockpuppet]

There's no easy way to turn off male fertility temporarily when it's not desired then turn it back on when it's time to reproduce. You're right. Male birth control doesn't exist because we don't know how to make it.

[@gosiachaaban2484]

Narural methods of controlling conception (not really birth control - birthday control is basically abortion) have been known for decades among Catholics. There is quite a lot of literature on this, too. When I read about it 35 years ago it was considered backward catholic nonsense by a lot of people. If you don't take hormones you also get to know your body much earlier in your life. We also learnt about it in our biology classes. I went to a Catholic, girls only school.

[@mvmlego1212]

You should reconsider conflating birth control with abortion. For one thing, everyone already knows the term "birth control" refers to, so assigning it a new meaning is confusing. It also causes people to associate something popular with something unpopular by merely switching terms--which comes off as pretty suspicious, given that you dislike the popular thing. For another, birth control has important practical and conceptual distinctions from abortion. Preventing conception does prevent birth, which literally makes controlling contraception (i.e. contraceptives) a form of birth control. Additionally, there are non-abortive methods of controlling birth, such inducing labor to hasten an overdue birth.

[@gosiachaaban2484]

@@mvmlego1212 thanks, I will accept the clarification regarding birth control in the context of inducing labour for example. However, most forms of birth control refer to actions after conception has taken place and the aim is to get rid of zygote, foetus or whatever name we want to use for a baby, which is one or another form of abortion.

[@mvmlego1212]

@@gosiachaaban2484 -- Thanks for the polite reply. _"However, most forms of birth control refer to actions after conception has taken place and the aim is to get rid of zygote"_ This isn't true by a long shot. The primary effect of most forms of birth control (e.g. the pill, condoms, vasectomies, IUDs, cycle-tracking) is to _prevent_ fertilization. The methods which target the uterus can cause abortions if their primary function fails, (which is why I won't use them) but that's not their intent. Additionally, birth control methods which don't target the uterus have no risk of causing abortions. You're advocating for the general case to be considered indistinguishable from a minority of a minority of cases.

[@gosiachaaban2484]

@@mvmlego1212 this is why I don't believe condoms for instance should be grouped together with birth control, because the aim is to prevent fertilization, so it's about controlling conception, not birth and in fact they are called contraception. I would not call them birth control.

[@mvmlego1212]

@@gosiachaaban2484 -- Condoms are contraception, and (as I've said) contraception is birth control. You seem to have an _a priori_ commitment to making those categories mutually exclusive. Why?

[@xxxnamkhaxxx]

this interview is quite good and shines a light on female psyche... there is a funny part around 05:30 where even Dr Sarah Hill had an epic fail moment. She meant to use the word fertile but instead used two words "pregnable/impregnable" which are used in the English language but come from Latin and have a very different meaning.

[@Sisterlisk]

I'd be making blunders, too

[@xxxnamkhaxxx]

@@Sisterlisk we're only human.

[@jellyo6605]

The hypothetical study she mentions at 59 minutes would be a really good twin study to do

[@danc2911]

Good and interesting interview, helps to put a lot into persepective. Re the part on why no men's contraception, I do believe it is unfair to characterise it as "no push from men", since all attempts so far to create an effective male contraceptive outside of barrier has pretty much failed. There are current on-going trials that could change this re an contraceptive gel for men, however this is still in trial phase. There is talk of a pill but not much can be found re the effectiveness or stage of trial it is at. It's simple, it is FAR more difficult to prevent millions of sperm fertilising an egg, than it is to prevent one egg from being released/fertilised.

[@jackdeniston59]

yeah but there is no push for men on pretty much all health issues. We are expendable remember. Also, I call BS as well. Every man I know would pill up in a second.

[@skylinefever]

Vasalegel was supposed to do this, but regulatory red tape got in the way. Personally, I get convinced that this happened because Vasalgel would cause major disruption to pharma giants, and doing something that affects the corporate oligarchs isn't acceptable. Also, guys like to joke that this would be so popular that accidentally on purpose pregnancies would become a thing for the history books.

[@aristhocrat]

”Testosterone increase in the presencens of guns” *Me looking at the riffle, replica Colt 1860, the Arwen-sword replica and the viking sword hanging on the wall in my music studio… 😂* No wonder I’m h*rny all the time! 😂😅

[@alexforce9]

"There are no solutions - just trade offs. "