The Truth About Eren Yeager That Fans Refuse to Accept

[@literalmaverick8608]

I meant Ruth in Ozark, not Darlene! Damn future me making me say incorrect things! Also, check out my socials in the description. 😀

[@jackofalltrades123]

AOT is actually very profound in the message its trying to send. When the victim has been the oppressor in the past but when the legacy of the oppressor has been victimize its hard for the victim to take responsibility for hurting its oppressors. Everybody has a right to feel upset for being wronged but everybody has been wronged in some way. One things for sure holding grudges and causing violence for revenge only leads to more grudges and more violence. So for the world to be saved everybody has to agree to forgive and forget. But most people aren't willing so the cycle will never end. This can be applied to America and every other country that has an ugly past

[@floatytrouty]

Exactly, this actually represented in universe through the Sasha's Parents their willingness to forgive Gabi is admirable, they understand that hate will result into more hate resulting in war. They knew these people raised in an environment full of hatred, they guide them through the forest of hatred. If only both side willing to hear each other side, none of these would happen.

[@mugabevictor2012]

I abandoned the whole hero or villain thing after sn 4 part 1. All I can think about is, placed in Eren's position, having seen the world from a crazy number of perspectives, then thinking of a solution that would lead to everyone in the world being happy and united is a dead end. He has a couple of months to live and he has to come up with a "now" solution. The world is ready to bomb paradise to smithereens even without negotiations. Even without Merly, the other states will always view you as threats. For a concrete solution, Erens plan makes most sense. Everyone else can feel bad about morals but they haven't come up with a solution that solves the problem. Eren is the guy who had the balls to pull the inevitable trigger.

[@literalmaverick8608]

To come up with a "now" solution is a problem tho. Sure, he doesn't have long left to live, but he's also not trusting in his friends or his people to find a way forward. He's taking everything into his own hands. Again, he's another example of an authoritarian power in the series taking everything into their own hands to solve a problem, only to create an even worse solution than the problem itself.

[@mugabevictor2012]

I agree with you on the thought that he should have gotten more heads into his plan. After all, if the whole team had decided to lie down and let the world kill them, I am willing to bet Eren would force his dream of freedom upon them. However, Talking of authoritarian powers in the series, a look at someone like Commander Erwin depicts an authoritarian power making decisions for everyone that somehow turn out for the best inspite of all the deaths involved. How is it that someone like him and Eren looked at so differently given that one's desire is " save my friends" while the other's is " I have to prove dad was right" ? Yet they both seem to be inflicting similar atrocities

[@literalmaverick8608]

I think the difference between Eren and Erwin is that Erwin believed that he was saving humanity. That the people within the walls were essentially all that were left. So to fight was all that they had for the sake of the human race. Hange brings this up this season by saying that Erwin was fighting for humanity; that the Scouts were made to protect humanity, not just Subjects of Ymir. Eren's logic is protecting the people closest to him, while Erwin's logic was to protect everyone who he believed was left. Also, Erwin didn't clearly go out of his way to hurt innocent people. His speech at the end was to encourage those around him to fight, rather than to force them to fight. I think that's a clear difference too.

[@dipanshumodi5348]

@@literalmaverick8608 true Erwin is a Chad no doubt about it 😎

[@therighteously8454]

Eren waited for years for Hange and the others to come up with a solution. Even going so far as to go to a world conference only to have his own fellow subjects of Ymir in other countries throwing Paradis Island under the bus. There was only ever one of two options. Eren could destroy the world or the world would come down on Paradis, it wasn't just Marley, it was several countries of the world

[@Crest28]

Erens a perfect example of what Pain said to Naruto, you fight for your justice and I fight for mines. But instead of targeting a specific target hes exterminating anyone outside of Paradis

[@literalmaverick8608]

Eren was a Naruto character all along! I knew it! Lol

[@creeperkingdom3190]

everyone outside of pardise is the specific target because their the ones who declared war o paradise eren rumblings is way more targetted than pains destruction of the leaf village

[@drevonblake6000]

@@creeperkingdom3190 that is simply not true, he literally wants to destroy 80% of the population. That is not a specific target, there’s just one place that isn’t a target. Vs pain destroying the village that constantly makes a battlefield out of your village. I’m sorry but objectively you are wrong

[@Tai182]

His plan is very similar to Pain's from Naruto. However, he goes even further than Pain.

[@drevonblake6000]

@@Tai182 pains plan comes from experiencing the atrocities and trying to stop it but being ignored so he takes action into his own hands. Erens plan is, to kill everyone regardless of if they agree with the people on top and regardless if they are ignorant of the true situation. With pain, everyone knew fighting in the rain village was wrong but they didn’t care because it wasn’t important globally. With eren his ancestors did take over the world and enslave and rape the rest of the population. Although he didn’t, he still has the same power that his ancestors had so the fear is warranted.

[@jimmy3261]

Eren is a shounen protagonist that was molded by a seinen world/story.

[@jadeorbigoso5212]

Everyone in the story is a Protagonist or antagonist as well. It depends what perspective you live in

[@NegativKreep]

All Marley had to do was leave the eldians alone. The eldians were just living on that island minding their own business, they didn’t even think there were any humans beyond the walls. But Marley because of what happened years ago (which is not justifiable) decides that they are evil and must be terminated. Also Marley wanted to do to the world exactly what eldia did back in ymir days, also if they had actually succeeded in retaking the founding titan and massacred all the eldians they would not have stopped there. They would have used the power of the founding titan to rule the world. So yeah it’s hard to call eren a villain.

[@literalmaverick8608]

I mean, would you feel that way if the series just focused on some random innocent family that gets stomped into submission because they didn't happen to be born on a specific island? Lol

[@NegativKreep]

@@literalmaverick8608 I mean yeah I get it, it’s fucked about people that have nothing to do with that war are gunna be killed but Marley brought all of this upon themselves. They’re the only ones to blame for erens actions.

[@literalmaverick8608]

But like, the blame game could be pushed further back too. You could say Eldians brought this upon themselves because they too were once an authoritarian force. I think that's why Isayama included the fact that Eldia once tried to rule the world. The "they deserve it" logic shouldn't be used to permit atrocities. And even if Marley DOES deserve it, we can't then say every person outside of Paradis does too. Lol

[@NegativKreep]

@@literalmaverick8608 see but my point was that it’s not fair for Marley to hate the eldia for what they did in the past when none of the eldians who they want to kill had nothing to do with that or were even around for that. The way I see it, that was just an excuse for Marley to be justified in genociding the island eldians and gaining even more power while having the other world nations on their side thus making it easier for them to destroy the other nations military forces. Marley was the cause of the rumbling and every innocent person who died from it IMO

[@literalmaverick8608]

"None of the Eldians who they want to kill had anything to do with that or were even around for that." How does this not also apply to billions of people who will die in the Rumbling? Lol

[@spartanoreo5075]

I do feel you attempted to dumb down the factors at play with Eren's decision whether anyone finds it morally right or wrong. In regards to the points revolving around what the story has shown about the outside world I do think you cut alot points to suit the argument of mentality of the generational hatred stopping with Marley Or more specifically just the Marlyean government. The show has shown through the mouths of characters such as Udo who says that the world treats Eldian's alot worse than those in Marley , which over time have been easing up with the hatred towards the Liberio Eldians. The worlds governments all openly supported Willy Tybur in his speech advocating to kill those on Paradis simply for being a potential threat due to their earlier failures and the access to the founder which they failed to take. The issues within the conflict between Eldia and Paradis, well doesn't just boil down the fact that Eren both wanted to just (because he can) clear the slate or the fact that it is only because he has a childlike mentality that he sees it as just a black and white situation (where he just needs to kill the people outside the walls) because he just couldn't think outside of that black and white frame of mind. The show in its structure may have established it's moral boundaries through characters like Gabi and the alliance (specifically Hange, maybe not fully including Jean as he to sees why Eren did what he did), but they don't go out their way of establishing clear methods of securing Paradis island. Having placed them within a setting where they are all behind in technology and have no fundamental understanding of how the outside world works due to lack of intel, means they couldn't just attempt to target the structure of each particular government as they themselves lack the information pointing out what would it take to stop Marley, let alone other governments(who for far less reason were perfectly fine with supporting the genocide of Paradis island). It was due to this isolation that even attempting to converse prior to the rumbling with anyone outside the Azumbitos (who previously worked with the king in the walls and who just worked with them because they could monopolize Paradis islands only valuable resource which is the iceburst stone) or the volunteers (who were lied to by Zeke in the hopes of fighting Marley as well). The point I am getting to is that even amongst the alliance, they openly state that genocide is wrong, but that they couldn't find any other way. Paradis island as a whole, just didn't know what to do outside the 50 year plan. The 50 year plan would also reinforce the fear of those outside of Paradis island and only cement the alliance they formed to kill them in the first place with. Outside of Gabi who had remarkably convenient circumstances to change her as a person, most of the warriors only ever attempted to switch sides because they were on the the recieving end this time which shows how it took the literal end of the world for those who are most familiar with Paradis island to switch sides. As a 3rd point the show places a massive importance on time a major contributor to the growing tension the another reason for such drastic decisions from the founder having only 4 years left, how technology will soon surpass the titans(showing how even within a couple of years the rumbling itself may not be a long term solution as technology is sure to bridge the gap and replace the titans, there was also the planning of when the world would attack Paradis being within 6 months and Reiner worrying about the plan Zeke and Eren has which may come into affect before then.) As for the character of Eren the show almost attempts to make Eren one of the only cases were someone was capable of doing the rumbling, by emphasizing how his volition that he had possessed ever since a child being that of "If someone attempts to steal my freedom, I won't hesitate to steal theirs", essentially he was always like that since he was born, not mention him being heavily influenced from the memories of the previous attack titans showing the world through their eyes as just being cruelly oppressed, he is also plagued by the future memories which just keep reaffirming to him that he feels that their was no other way for Paradis island to survive and for him to be free without doing the rumbling. These reasons are why Eren couldn't just place his faith in people who couldn't find anyone, well all being tremendously more naive to the information Eren currently posse's that they don't. Eres actions besides the cynical out look towards the possibility of the 50 year plan ,being that of a gamble to help protect them from the active established threat of the outside world coming for the), was also heavily shaped by his disagreement of breeding people like cattle for maintaining the founding titan and the fact that he was not willing to sacrifice the friend that saved to do it. So Yes, Erens actions are not the morally right thing to do, but the story makes it actively harder for a morally right decision to occur given the relevant factors at play with Eren's decisions, this also doesn't include what will be present next season which only goes further to muddy the obvious choices.

[@literalmaverick8608]

I feel that there's not much else to Eren's decision besides the generational grievances, how the world sees Subjects of Ymir, and then ultimately his stated goal of protecting his friends. There's really not a whole lot about the rest of the world. It's also undeniable that Marley created the narrative and history around the current perception of Subjects of Ymir too, so I still think making them the focal point is important. But regardless, even if we say that EVERY government is now the problem, and not ultimately Marley, my point still stands; the text, and myself, would argue that the issue is totalitarian governments, not the people who live underneath them. The moral argumentation would still be nearly identical even if every government on earth was torturous and awful to Subjects on Ymir. This doesn't now permit eradicating essentially every person on earth. The question still comes down to this; why do Subjects of Ymir deserve to live over every other innocent person on earth? And the answer has to either include prejudiced logic, or a simple quest for revenge and spitefulness at the expense of everyone, even those not involved. I don't deny that the show doesn't present a clear solution to the geopolitical problems that Paradis faces, but that's the point. There isn't an easy answer to problems like this, and because of that, Eren tries to create one. Generational lies attached to a group of people take significant amounts of time and effort to change. We already see that Marley itself is beginning to change how they see Subjects of Ymir who live within their country. Again, it's obviously still awful and unacceptable how they're treated, but the answer is complicated, long, and arduous, rather than simply just being a hammer like what Eren is doing. The cast couldn't find a solution because there isn't a single generational solution to the issue. The imminent threat on Paradis now though is Marley, and so that's why people like Armin assumed that Eren would use the Rumbling to hold them at bay while they decide what course of action to take. Eren took that choice away from them. "Outside of Gabi who had remarkably convenient circumstances to change her as a person, most of the warriors only ever attempted to switch sides because they were on the the recieving end this time which shows how it took the literal end of the world for those who are most familiar with Paradis island to switch sides." I don't agree with this. Of course Gabi goes through really specific events to change, but that's the point. The point is that people from Marley DON'T actually know the people from Paradis, and thus just assume that they're devils. Again, the whole reason Marley is likely beginning to change is because they witness the suffering of Subjects of Ymir within their own borders everyday. They have to acknowledge the pain that they're causing. It's a lot easier to give faceless people who you've never met the title of "devil." That's the point. If they did know their struggles, they'd slowly change their opinions about them. Sure, time is important. Again, not saying these issues are easy. But once again, even the time argument doesn't permit THIS level of an immoral act. Again, half of my video is about the moral deliberations and how someone can arrive at the conclusion that eradicating most of the world to protect a select few is morally permissible, and I'm arguing that it just isn't, regardless of the particular circumstances at play. And again, the show also agrees with me. Because no matter how hard things get, people like Hange, Armin, Mikasa, etc, still want to find another way to move forward instead of just ending everything. And yeah, I agree about Eren. His uprbinging plus him seeing all of the generational trauma absolutely influenced his decision. Also all of the wild Ymir time traveling shenanigans but that's a discussion for a different day. Lmao. And yes, breeding people like cattle is also unacceptable, but the rest of the cast didn't agree with that plan either. It's like when people ask whether Zeke or Eren's plan is the "correct" plan. It's a false choice. There are other routes ahead, they're just more amorphous and less simple and easy to enact. And I agree that a morally right choice here is hard. But that's the point. The show proves that it's hard to make the right choices, and sometimes it's easier to just make a selfish and easy choice instead.

[@Donky_Kongs_Baby]

@@literalmaverick8608 Well also you have to know that doing the "right thing" morally is not always the "right thing" to do. There is no guarantee that if they took the moral high road that things would change for the better even with absurd amounts of time because people like hate and refuse to change. Governments will always have there own agendas and will do what they believe necessary and to think other wise is naivete at best. So in the current environment under this current circumstances I feel he is justified because another outlook doesn't mean peace in any real preceeding future and he had the ability to make change happen at this moment.

[@jakeperalta4138]

You and your family eat first. We are lucky to live in a world that is much less “survival of the fittest” but most of us are capable of doing horrible things to protect and feed our family. We have the luxury to stand on moral high ground in todays society for the most part. It really isn’t about right or wrong, Eren is doing what he believes he has to do to preserve the future of his people. Innocent people will die which is horrible but in his view that is less important than the people he will be saving, his people.

[@literalmaverick8608]

You could literally use your argument to support any terrible person in all of history. That's literally the point of morality.

[@bugz5587]

@@literalmaverick8608 Same argument can be used for any good person in history it goes both ways you can’t just look at one side

[@Kpizzl]

@@literalmaverick8608 the thing is you can’t, hitler didn’t kill the Jews because he was saving his people, the Jews weren’t part of a global coalition trying to exterminate the Germans. But guess what, Marley and the rest of the world were trying to exterminate all the eldians and eren did the only thing that anyone would do in that situation, protect his own people

[@dipanshumodi5348]

That's the art of isayama... If Zeke was the protagonist we would have loved that too not much like eren but still

[@literalmaverick8608]

Completely agree! Isayama definitely has a habit of making the reader really feel for his characters. Definitely takes a special writer to really pull that off, considering what certain characters-- like Eren -- want to do. Lmao

[@dipanshumodi5348]

@@literalmaverick8608 morality of Zeke from the video I watched of yours gives more justice than that of eren... Although there is not much material for eren he definitely required some "good" motivation for a mass genocide than to just protect his friends...

[@khotunkhan3950]

@@dipanshumodi5348 dude Are you against Eren or something??

[@alexvaughan1013]

If Zeke was the protagonist, everyone would shit on him in the same way they shit on Shinji Ikari.

[@kissofarose100]

@@dipanshumodi5348 I think with Zeke you kind understand why he will commit genocide because of his background and how he grow but Eren you don't because it was in his DNA basically Zeke and Eren's motivations can be interpreted as Nurture vs Nature

[@AlphScorpion190]

He’s neither a Hero or a Villain, he just someone who wanted to protect his loved ones, even if it means the elimination of everyone else. He doesn’t care if people see him as a Villain he’ll do whatever he feels is right to him

[@DanteAidos]

Right, which makes him a villain

[@literalmaverick8608]

I think that kicks the can down the road. What he's doing is either morally permissible, or it isn't. If it isn't, then he's a villain, is my point. Lol

[@Donky_Kongs_Baby]

@@DanteAidos Everyone is the Villan in someone's story lol.

[@sovereign2989]

@@Donky_Kongs_Baby naah he is the villan literally his own childhood friends who went through the same shot as he are telling him his plan is messed up. There is no subjectivity he is the villan.

[@petermuller9480]

@@sovereign2989 Yes, he is. You are right. Commiting genozide cannot be forgiven. And especially it cannot be construed to be something a "hero" does. I don't understand how Literal Maverick can actually argue that there is ANY kind of moral code, where Eren's action could be considered permissible.

[@shiestyschmuck5465]

I can't agree with Eren on a moral level, but I kind of understand his philosophy. He comes across (to me, at least) as a direct reflection of his environment; showing the world what it's hatred looks like by unleashing it universally. Even Paradis wasn't safe from the Rumbling at first. Eren could've just used Wall Maria's titan's, but he used them all and in turn killed his own people and endangered his friends. I always looked at that as a way of saying Paradis is guilty of hatred, too. .

[@butter__boi703]

Forgot in my other comment but the running is inevitable anyways, just as when Sasha dies even tho Eren changes the events surrounding her death it means certain thing will happen no matter what

[@OK-69420]

One point I'd like to make is that Marley probably isn't the only one who would discriminate against Paradis, Eren didn't want to run the risk of Marley happening all over again.

[@jasimjasim5179]

Don't forget what udo said in part one that Marley is the nicest when it comes to treating eldians and that does make sense because eldians are basically used by Marley against everyone else

[@ErenWouldSmash]

Even tho he’s a villain he still my favorite character

[@GregSmithIII]

Not a villain

[@ErenWouldSmash]

@@GregSmithIIIi mean guess so hes more of an anti hero

[@rickyr.ccrocodile838]

I've coined a certain term for eren called "The nihilistic extremist". Eren has seen the worst of what the world is capable of, but because he didn't get to see the best, he doesn't believe it's even possible. There is no redemption for the world, they simply need to be eradicated.

[@owenprideaux7029]

Sorry for spoilers but… Eren was right and paradise was wiped out in the manga. Also the “would you sacrifice the world for your friends” is just the trolley problem. So I would sacrifice the rest of the world for my people (beacuse they would die if I didn’t) just like I would sacrifice the 5 people for my own mother. I think ultimately it’s kinda subjective morally but easy to answer in terms of survival beacuse as eren said himself “kill or be killed”

[@bright-flame]

Eren just got to decide WHICH genocide was going to happen.

[@mctigerslug5498]

I'm always surprised to see so many Eren defenders, even in these comments. Selective empathy is a great way to summarize the whole phenomenon. I would hope that even within that viewpoint, there would have to be an acknowledgement that the friends who are stated to benefit from his plans, are horrified by his plans. Even if he succeeds, his friends will abhor the world they're left with. You already laid out the most important talking points, but it really is alarming that some people won't recognize that the world ending skeleton monster might not be the good guy anymore. Also, holy shit, Gabi's moral compass gun is way too funny, and way too accurate. Very curious to see how she'll factor into the end of the show. Feeling very lucky that I haven't gotten any manga spoilers yet. So glad I found your channel! I'm just now playing Royal after playing Vanilla P5 a few years ago, AND I've been looking forward tremendously to the final season of Attack on Titan. Your explanations for everything are so well founded and thoughtful, I'm definitely looking forward to more! Here's hoping we get a P6 LGBTQutie

[@mctigerslug5498]

@Weyland Punani I mean, obviously wanting to wipe out an entire race of Eldians is awful, but Eren's being just as genocidal on an even larger scale. You're allowed to like Eren as a character, and I love the rest of the original group and want them to survive as well, but it's hardly selective empathy to say that Eren is at the very least taking the wrong approach, even if he means well. There's no reason to say someone "doesn't give about critical thinking" just because you disagree with them.

[@mctigerslug5498]

@Weyland Punani I'm just trying to say it's not a binary thing of choosing which group should die. I don't think either should be eradicated! But the whole conflict of the story is that the people who can make an impact can't see past that idea

[@literalmaverick8608]

I love how you say this while also seemingly having watched the newest episode where it's just poor people and children being shown to us being stomped by the Rumbling. Actual innocent people. But, like I said in my other comment, I don't think you're actually watching the show or understanding the material.

[@literalmaverick8608]

Thanks for the incredible comment! Just finished making basically a movie on my other channel, but will return here soon! 🥳 Also my previous comment was about that Weyland person. They missed the entire point of the show and clearly didn't watch my video. Lmao

[@mctigerslug5498]

@@literalmaverick8608 Hey thanks so much, glad you appreciate it! Also, I definitely want to check out the project you just finished, do you have a link?

[@_Lion]

I agree that Eren isn't the hero, he is morally wrong... But I ultimately agree with Eren, like many others. I don't condemn killing every single women, children and innocent men if that is what it takes to make sure my family and friends are safe... even if they don't agree with that. yeah it sucks, but his goal isn't to be a hero to the world or the hero that his friends wants, he is the hero that his friends needs

[@thaisennj9781]

This right here. He isn’t concerned with those across the waters. My man said my people will be free

[@literalmaverick8608]

But like, there's a good 99.9% chance that if you were in that world you and everyone you know would absolutely be stomped into submission randomly one day, even if you agreed with Eren. Lol.

[@thaisennj9781]

@@literalmaverick8608 so? He’s still his people’s hero that’s the point

[@literalmaverick8608]

He said to "make sure my family and friends are safe." My point is that, just logically speaking, his friends and family wouldn't be safe in that world. Lol. So like, to agree with Eren would be to say that you'd agree with your own innocent friends and family being stomped.

[@_Lion]

@@literalmaverick8608 you're totally right, and in the place of these people about the be stomped my despair would probably condemn Eren's actions, but looking at the bigger picture, from outside... I simply cannot disagree with him!

[@altaydogahan3183]

I'm noticing some parallels between Rumbling and the Biblical Flood (/ancient Mesopotamian).

[@theocelot3957]

he's a boy who understands that his life was a lie since the begining, that the walls who surrounds him was not a protection, but a prision. He learns that he was hated by errors caused by pepole who where already dead. Pepole who hates because he only was a child born in the wrong place. Same pepole who didn't even think of who you actually hates, they are born and raised by people who only teaches that you need to hate them because in a long time ago, their grand-grandfather did something, people who swore to never hurt nobody again. Same people who wipes the history from their heads, and accepts to live a lie just because the other part of the fricking history hates them for errors who werent even from the same people who did that all. How bad should it be, to lower your head and try to accept something that you didnt even know that happened. and be tortured by that, the other side of the history will never accept that the same people who did that all aganist them now are decent people, because generations corrupted those peoples, they are not the problem but they still have roots of all of that and they will never change. people who have their minds closed will never accept this, so this is a hard, and probably heavier solution for a already heavy problem. But what other solution do you think it would work, when your own people is brainwashed to tell that they are the problem. What credibility a peace pact would have that even the own people who implores for one, is telling the exact opposite facts. So maybe we shall support the Zeke Theory and accept that we all need to die. Zeke is a traitor of his own blood, he was raised and indoctrinated by the same people who tells that he is another monster, That used him and his race as a gun to defeat other people who supports the same treatment for him and his race, he murders his own blood because they dont understand nither supports his suicidal propouse. Eren is the villian for sure, but there is worse people in this history, evryone is faulted there, but Eren is the less faulted of evryone in the anime, The difference is that he have the power to do this.

[@bladeblaster1297]

You sure it’s Gabby and not you know Falco, who is the voice of the author?

[@literalmaverick8608]

I think Falco is important, for sure. But I don't think he's sending the same message as Gabi, since Gabi is experiencing the opposite arc to Eren, and learning the lessons that he should have learned. Falco is more stagnant, and is used more so to bolster Gabi as a character.

[@alexvaughan1013]

It seems like Gabi and Falco represent Eren's two main goals, but they have more positive arcs towards these goals. Gabi represents Eren's goal to destroy his enemies, and Falco represents Eren's goal to protect his friends. Just like Eren, Gabi lives with the people she once saw as enemies and learns that they're no different to their own people. But instead of choosing to kill them, she chooses to save them. And Falco actually confesses his love for Gabi when he thinks he'll become a Titan. Eren knows he'll die in 4 years, but doesn't once confess his feelings for Mikasa.

[@jojo_n_dat7325]

@@literalmaverick8608 I'd say Sasha's dad is probably the most aspirational character and probably closest to an intended authorial insert to explore the main positive message of the series.

[@drewsclues5394]

Finally a KZbinr pointing out the obvious moral inttention of the series. It's written in the main text and the subtext. It's really not hard to see that Eren is a horrible person.

[@madmank7881]

By moral standards Aaron is wrong but why would you care about morals when you're people are going to die

[@Popje_YH]

I hear a lot of people say eren started the rumbling because he wanted to save his friends. Although this is partially true, his number one reason was to reach his idea of freedom that he saw in armins book; beyond the walls are lands of ice, fiery waters, a body of water that covers most of the earth WITHOUT any humans. That is why he said to ramzi he was disappointed in the outside world, because he learned that humans exist there in the contrary of what he believed and dreamed of

[@Popje_YH]

So it is quite obvious to say that erens actions arent morally justified at all

[@ZAWFS]

By s4 I couldnt tell Protagonist to antagonist then I was just like..Eren wants to unite everyone.

[@Fede95K]

Another awesome video, keep it going

[@literalmaverick8608]

Thank you so much! You're awesome

[@hunteruhuruazrael]

Also he fought for his freedom and to keep his friends alive. Observe his conversation with ramzi, "I was so disappointed, I wished for it to be all wiped away." (Manga) And then the convo between eren and armin. Further proving this point.

[@Aleks96]

15:30 YES.

[@justindesmond4457]

It should be noted that it isn't just marley that are prejudiced against the eldians. Udo during the start of the marely arc, mentioned that the treatment of eldians in marley is actually merciful compared to other countries around the world. A soldier of the mideast alliance even call falco and co after saving said soldier, a bunch of devils. This sentiment of only marley being the enemy of paradis just isn't true, which is why eren unleashed the rumbling on the entire world and not just marley. Onyankopon and some others are merely outliers in there attitude to eldians

[@generaljeffrey]

Great video but I think you kind of missed the crux of the pro-rumbling argument - it is not solely about retribution or revenge, but also about self-preservation. In a world that is rapidly industrializing with new technology and weaponry, the titan power of the Eldians is quickly becoming obsolete. In the future, the Eldians will not have the same means to defend themselves against a world that is far more advanced and greatly outnumbers them. It is clear Eren himself does not think that innocent civilians DESERVE to be killed, but rather they are a necessary collateral to achieve peace for the Eldians and prevent any harm that will come to them in the future. In fact he breaks down in tears at the realisation that there's no other way to secure safety for his people. Not to say the show or that I personally agree with Eren, but I think the real moral debate is a bit more complicated. If I'm not mistaken, to argue against it you would have to contend that a world without a rumbling at this rate would very likely lead to the genocide of Paradis. This brings into question - How much collateral damage, if any, can we justify if in the name of self-defense?

[@Kradus]

The question is simple could you stand by and watch everything you know and love get destroyed while you have the power to stop it id wager most people would act similarly to Eren

[@dallascoggins1534]

The underlying justification Nationalism uses is egoism or Might makes Right (both are cringe and super self destructive)

[@literalmaverick8608]

I could absolutely see egoism. I think the issue I have with that is the extension of the self onto others, which is a tricky subject when it comes to philosophy, but I think that you're right in that that's the closest framework for sure!

[@davidharner2481]

Aot is a show where there legitimately isn’t a right side. Every single character and side almost every person has done horrible things based on what they thought was right, twisted by the cruelty of the world

[@Tai182]

He is a villain because he becomes the monster in the end. Becoming a genocidal maniac to the whole world can never be justified.

[@Matt-ov1qp]

The "power of friendship" ending is self-contradictory for Eren, however. He wanted to rid the world of the titans and through the Rumbling he doesn't achieve any of his ambitions there. Yes, he gets a temporary reprieve through his efforts and yes he truly cares for his friends but it makes me wonder if that's truly the best the world could offer given Eren could use Paths to promote whatever timeline he wanted? I think it's likely an AOE is possible should Eren learn from his experience where Eren attempts to get what he truly wants - "freedom" and the destruction of the cycle of violence via humanity and the titans, which would imply he'd have to kill everyone including his friends.

[@EmeraldPhoenix-sp8hm]

I'm glad I clicked on this video! Very funny, very well... voice acted(?), and very well edited. Laughed pretty hard several times, and I'm not even 5 minutes in. Also, yeah it's strange to see people arguing that the show is endorsing Eren's actions. Like, it was made pretty damn clear what was happening even _before_ Eren turned into a *literal monster.* I bet it's same people who root for the Empire if/when they watch Star Wars. Very clearly the least morally justifiable side, both in-text and from a more abstract point of view.

[@jadeorbigoso5212]

Pure Titanfolk and subreddit lol

[@Glockimus]

Long time no see

[@literalmaverick8608]

Happy to be back! Lol

[@hunteruhuruazrael]

Ending the world is bad. But I'd like to end it anyways😂

[@richardperilli6155]

I mean in a world where you can pause time turn into giant monster and change the genolgy and memories of those around you with no consent… ending the world might be the best option lol

[@gharib6458]

It isn't about right or wrong in terms of who dies. It's about what brings justice. And the only justice can be paid with the humiliation of the rest until the Eldians are free to exist. They tried diplomacy and were snubbed by the whole world besides the (totally not) Japanese, who only used them for their raw resources. It is not immoral. It is what must occur based on the world the Eldians are in.

[@azeTrom17]

How is justice killing EVERYONE in the WHOLE WORLD? People are so quick to label everyone in the world as deserving death, when even on the tiny island of paradis, people are CRAZY diverse in terms of morality, knowledge, and empathy. Even if the world of aot is less populated than ours by a lot, that's a LOT of people. Nearly all of which have never seen an Eldian, and many of which have probably never even heard of them. (consider how many societies are isolated from worldwide news nowadays, and today, we have things like the internet and satellites connecting us!) The fact is, Eren's actions are understandable, but morally defensible? It takes an especially twisted moral philosophy to defend such an action. Think of it this way: say Hitler's "aryan race" was being oppressed, and not the other way around. Would the torture, suffering, and attempts at genocide suddenly become okay?

[@krystalbrunson3861]

I say eren is neutral

[@kissofarose100]

Gabi is one of the characters that is the most hated because they are incapable of understanding her character and development. For the haters out there Gabi's development is 1 million better then Eren's because she actually matures unlike Eren.

[@Glockimus]

Literal maverick what's your opinion on attack on titans ending ( everyone says its trash )

[@literalmaverick8608]

I definitely think the hate for it is overblown. I'll definitely have to talk about it when the anime ends.... in the final season Part 72. Lmao

[@Comicbroe405]

Not everybody. It's a controversial & divisive ending fs but from what I've seen on platforms like Twitter, IG the majority (it's more of a 60/40 ratio) like the ending. There's even a video here w/ more than 2M views on analyzing the ending & Eren.

[@R2DADB]

@@Comicbroe405 you mean "this video will change how you see eren"? cuz that video was an eye opener to erens character for me i didnt hate the ending before i actually JUST read it before but i actually liked it I dont see the reason for the hate actually and think its just peoplr being butthurt cuz eren wasnt the badass cool guy in the scene saying he loved mikasa which people thought he was but he wasnt its just a false identity the people made eren be and then got dissapointed when they realize eren was always the same only in s4 he put up this act to defend his people

[@camelbro]

Great video. Even better commentary.

[@lordali3509]

Eren is a protector where he protected his people with the only way possible to survive. What makes the worlds worth to survive more than Paradis Island inhabitants? Is the numerical value the factor to prove how valuable the survival of a particular group of people is? Or is it the extent of the injustice suffered by this group of people? Or is it which of the groups has more "good" people in them? In my opinion what makes this kind of acts morally permissible, is if this act is done by the more valuable group of people to survive. But from what we have seen so far, both groups of people are as much valuable, both had injustice in them, both have "good" people, and the numerical value is irrelevant in my opinion. So it all brings as back to the good old survival for the fittest, both groups are equally valuable and there is no way (and when i say no way i mean NO WAY) for a group to survive without wiping the other group out of existence. So in conclusion Eren is a villain yes but he's a villain for the outer world, meanwhile for the island he's a fucking hero Is his act morally permissible? yes, why would protecting yourself and the ones you love from being existent or losing the ability to reproduce be "wrong" or not morally permissible.

[@drewsclues5394]

I think the numerical value is extremely relevant. It's one of the most important things about it. Remember, the amount of people outside the walls isn't just some meaningless statistic. Every one of those people Eren killed was a human being with a whole life. When someone is killed by the Rumbling, it's not just a counter ticking by 1, it's another thinking and feeling human being that gets violently and brutally crushed to death as they watch their homeland and everyone they love suffer the same horrific fate. So in short, the numerical value is important not for itself as a statistic, but because of the suffering it represents.

[@scorchedhand1508]

Funny mustache man did nothing wrong. Your logic.

[@lordali3509]

@@scorchedhand1508 i literally said in the first sentince that it was the only way for people in paradise to survive It was very clear that there was no other way It was either die or kill I don't think the ww2 was the same thing

[@florianschumann135]

​@@lordali3509Doesn't the character of Gabi show hatred can be unlearned and conciliation is possible. Btw your reasoning sounds very social-darwinistict as humans are clearly one race.

[@ceciliaslepmet4840]

Imo the people justifying Eren's actions are very dangerous. I know it's "only fiction" but the values people have about a show can't be the opposite of thew ones they have about the real life. Thinking a genocide can be in any way justified is a massive red-flag and I would never trust anyone telling me that Eren wasn't the villain or was right

[@jakobmounts9854]

Reiner is the protagonist, can’t change my mind 😤. Great video Maverick - you never cease to impress me!

[@literalmaverick8608]

Reiner is the main zaddy. We all know that! Thanks man, that means a lot! 🥳

[@dipanshumodi5348]

Definitely Reiner has more character arc than eren lmao

[@deaddiligent]

Phil is the protagonist - change my mind. Does anyone even know who Phil is? XD

[@khotunkhan3950]

@@dipanshumodi5348 tf??

[@khotunkhan3950]

Reiner sucks ass after the battle of Shinganshina

[@splitirisbear4589]

There is literally zero alternative that ensures the long term survival of the population of Paradis Island. That is why he's right.

[@deaddiligent]

OMG great video so funny - You have a new sub my friend

[@literalmaverick8608]

Thanks so much! I hope you continue to enjoy my videos!

[@ClaireYunFarronXIII]

4:38 - 5:52 Nice music.

[@Aleks96]

Eren = HERO

[@mcfly3374]

Of course they have good genes no one wants to see cupcake shaped people fighting bad guys

[@literalmaverick8608]

Lmao! I don't mean it in that way. I mean like, having genes that make you super special. Like how protags are always revealed to be related to some super special clan, or person, or god, or whatever so they can just genetically do more. Lol

[@IM_VARN]

14:21 77% 8/9/2022 Uh, yeah Im alright and uh, good, feeling godd uh, good uh, it's now 14:22 77% 8/9/2022 Uh, yeah

[@bip_bip_lechuga]

This argument, given all the context of Eldia literally being otherwise defenseless against a world that was actively seeking to destroy them, can be boiled down to: There's no pro genocide philosophy, so Eren is laughably wrong and should have just sat and watched his people die I guess. We're going through philosophy of Erens actions, but ignoring the other side. Innocents involved yes, on every side. This is a remarkably complex situation, history be dammed, look at the current situation they find themselves in. It's not about who's innocent or who deserves what, it's literally kill or be killed and Eren killed

[@NastoKing]

He is both

[@angelmaldonado9985]

I think the Attack Titan’s ability let Eren see there’s no way he will achieve his “freedom” therefore in order to prevent his loved ones from having their lives and their freedom taken away is to sacrifice his own fort he sake of his loved ones. Sort of like Endgame, he saw there the only way was to become the villain and force the world to go against him to ensure the safety of his loved ones. Sacrificing his ultimate desire that is why he has one last convo with Mikasa and Armin before wiping their memories

[@Comicbroe405]

Great video! Ppl need to understand the difference between a hero & a protagonist.

[@jaynadiah5498]

A LOT of kids watch attack on titan because of how big it got... i mean like under 12s who have never seen any other anime apart from this... i think these kids dont fully understand whats going on as it s a very complex show and have loved eren from the start... so much so whenever they see him they just think oh cool eren without fully realising what he is doing is completely wrong. A lot of adults seem to think this too judging by the amount of comments defending him. Hange made it clear and said it best with the few words ''GENOCIDE IS WRONG'' .. i dont get why people can't see that. From the start i found eren annoying because of how angry he is all the time.. but the kids seem to love him.

[@bachri7721]

Sure, genocide IS wrong. *Being* genocided is also wrong. And thanks entirely to the aggression of Marley, it's one or the other. There is no middle ground. There is no diplomacy. Commit genocide or be genocided.

[@jaynadiah5498]

@@bachri7721 except its not one or the other is it? if eren wanted to cause genocide solely on marley then that is actually a middle ground.... eren wants to wipe out EVERYONE except the eldians... the whole world.... regardless of his ultimate goal this is completely wrong

[@bachri7721]

@@jaynadiah5498 Except it *is* one or the other. If Eren simply stopped at Marley, what do you think the rest of the world would do? Just sit down and accept it? They'd see Marley as victims and work to destroy the threat that destroyed Marley and now looms over them all. And like I said, it is completely wrong to commit genocide on such a grand scale. *It is also wrong to be genocided.*

[@khotunkhan3950]

Deeming everyone who supports Eren as kids now??? What a load of bullshit Genocide is wrong no Genocide is morally wrong doesnt mean is wrong Get yourself right

[@Adalon-]

Is Eren morally in the right? No. But is he in the right? Arguably, yes. Morality is entirely a human concept, it doesn't exist naturally or outside of established civilization, it isn't of nature is the point I am getting at here. Eren and the entire race that is the subjects of Ymir, throughout all of history have been treated as objects and subhumans. They've never once had proper human rights, never once have been treated with human decency and never once were given the chance to exist as humans. They've always been either weapons to use, insects to destroy or monsters to be feared. Eren saw the truth of this when he witnessed the entire history, he could see history repeating itself (which, as the end of the manga proves, it did in fact repeat itself even after Eren's death with Paradise being wiped out.) and with that knowledge and his desire for freedom and to protect the people he cared for most, how could Eren have responded in any other way? The outside world would never treat them as humans, they would never give them a real chance at life and history would always be destined to repeat itself, ultimately ending in everything he loved being destroyed, enslaved or simply wiped from all of existence. Why would Eren then be tied or guided by human morality? The very species that invented the concept deemed them unfit of humanity, thus what responsibility did Eren (or any of them, honestly.) have to humanity? It was kill or be killed, them or us, you or me, pure survival. As a human, I am repulsed by Eren Yeager's actions. As an animal at my core, I fully understand them and if put in his exact position, I'd likely do the same. Eren IS a hero. He is also a villain. They aren't mutually exclusive. That is true in our reality as well, see historical dictators such as Pinnoche, Stalin, Hitler, Che Guevara, Pablo Escobar. To the world at large, all terrible villains. But to many (some even in modern day.) they were and are heroes. It's all a matter of perspective, circumstances and position within the world.

[@calebramat7649]

The objective answer is neither

[@yoyovlogs5229]

Eren, is getting revenge.

[@SynsaySama]

Nah… Eren is a psychopath in that new ep 💀

[@literalmaverick8608]

Yes. I say that in this video too, basically. Lol

[@Jimbob6514III]

BUT WE CAN FORGIVE REINER YEAH YEAH

[@CPU9incarnate]

The moment that Paradis attacked Marley, in any way, the world would call for their destruction. Willy Tybur straight up admitted that the Marleyan government had been lying about the great titan war for a century and nobody cared, because their hatred was rooted in lingering resentment over the eldian empire, not Marley's word. Chapter 134 straight up admits that the people as a whole were to blame, not one government or nation. The manga then suggests that regardless, they deserved a second chance. I disagree. They've proved themselves too stupid and evil to be trusted. The manga itself even proves he should have gone all the way. It's not even just about "oppression", but survival. Everyone wants them DEAD.

[@jjabc1283]

I saw your comment on kyle entertainment.

[@terrencemoldern2756]

Eren is right and justified for his plan in every way... Just saying 🙂

[@literalmaverick8608]

😬

[@king_hamlet]

except that one tiny part where he stomps out the homes and lives of people on his own island 🙂🙂🙂

[@terrencemoldern2756]

@@king_hamlet nah for the most part that is minuscule. It have been the same in literally every other plan as well. Fact is, the rumbling is just super big. Making it inaccurate. There was going to be that regardless of precautions or plans...

[@terrencemoldern2756]

@@literalmaverick8608 unlike Erens plan, all the other ones don’t promise a full on victory. They rely on hopes of succession. Even the one that sounds reasonable with doing the rumbling against just Marley military is unrealistic and nonsense. First, how are they going to just target the military? It’s not like paradise has a map of every single Marleyan base, compound or weapon. It’d be impossible to hit absolutely all of them. Secondly again the rumbling is very inaccurate. Even with a designated route. We are talking about thousands of colossal Titans. Even just a hundred... without doubt they would ravage most of the landscape and kill the vast majority of people anyways. It’s just to big and powerful.... Thirdly, it’s highly risky and can be easily exploited. As all the world and Marley has to do in order to win is find a way to kill or capture the fo7nding Titan. They do that... Paradise is doomed alongside Eldians. Heck, they literally almost succeeded in this with their ambush of Eren on the balcony. They managed to sneak into paradise in the span of a month and come close enough to where Porco could take a bite of his legs! I’m sorry but all the other plans are whimsical and relies on the expectation of Eldia becoming a overarching “Big Brother” for the rest of the world. Ruling by fear to keep them all in line... which even then, rebellions and wars would break out anyways. This is something debunked in season 1 of all places. When the soldiers under Pexis are discussing the retaking of Trost. There is only so much fear can get you until people don’t care anymore... and most of the world has just gotten out of Titan dominance and war with Marley who utilized Titans in extreme and horrifying ways. Their not gonna bend over and accept defeat simply because their military’s get crushed as nice of an idea as that would be... their far 2 ignorant for that. Especially after having just witnessed the rumbling which killed their family’s and friends, destroyed their military and made them a pathetic laughing stock to the world. Marley has brainwashed them plenty to where if that happens. Even the children would go and suicide charge paradise. Also one other thing, the idea that the rumbling would buy them time to advance in technology is just stupid as well as wrong. 1. You’re idea of a better outcome is to trade genocide for constant wars and suffering spanning decades to century’s? Doesn’t sound better then the rumbling. 2. Even then. What? You think the rest of the world is gonna freeze in time? No their gonna advance too. It’s kinda how time works. By the time Paradise makes its first tank. Marley will likely be lobbing their first Nuke over... its just ignorant. Besides all of that. This argument relies on a very pathetic and screwed sense of moral superiority. As someone who’s against a lot of capital punishment and such. I consider myself a humanitarian. But even I see the merits of this plan. Fact is. Being morally right doesn’t matter here. The fact is that there is no easy choice. The rumbling isn’t an easy choice for Eren. We see him struggle with it time and time again. He hates that he’s doing this but goes through with it anyways. Why? “The only one who can save this world is a devil” That rings true in every regard. This is something told and shown over and over and over again. People keep saying Erwin wouldn’t support this. Which honestly just goes to show their lack of understanding for the character. His main focus was to follow his own desires and if he had survived. He’d have placed the good of Paradise above his own. Something that means he’d have wanted to protect paradise no matter the cost. Even if it cost him his own life or sanity. As shown when he charges multiple young kids into incoming rocks.... He’d be disgusted with the outsides world and although understanding of the fact that there are good people. Would see the merits in my argument. There is no other way to promise that what the scouts fought for, what he fought for would stay safe... besides if Eren does the full rumbling, that is simply a fact... Fact is, Eren has to do the cruelest thing imaginable, in order to destroy a world of cruelty...

[@Comicbroe405]

Eren is not AT ALL justified. In what world do you think killing innocent ppl is justified? If ur an anime-only ur in for a shock in Pt. 3

[@absolutebliss9688]

Eren is a genocider but Marley/world made him that.

[@lilbubz2803]

This is an incredibly naive video. You have not asked yourself what would happen if the Rumbling did not commence or was limited to just the destruction of the allied fleet. Eren is right for the simple fact that the WORLD, not Marley has decided to eradicate Paradise as a people and Paradise is far too small and powerless to defend itself in any conflict. Marley assaulted the walls, breaking the truce and killed almost a 5th of the entire population of the paradise. Marley and the world declared war before Eren attacked. Paradise is so technologically outclassed that it is 100% guaranteed they would be defeated in any conflict. Marley wanted paradises resources on top of the islands destruction, meaning if they didn't hate them as a race Paradise was still facing imminent invasion. Simply put, either the world is destroyed or paradise is destroyed. There are no options, the world does not want diplomacy, the eldians on the mainland do not want diplomacy, they want paradise eradicated. This has nothing to do with empathy or the childish notion that "Eren is a hero/villain". It is a simply choice. Either paradise gets destroyed or the world does, because nothing was going to stop the world from destroying the island. You don't have to like it, you can say its morally wrong, but those are the only options on the table and it just comes down to which side you are on. Eren was not looking to make a peaceful utopia, or to end all wars. He just wanted the people of paradise to have the freedom to live and make their own choices without the threat of being eradicated as a people (he first wanted to destroy the titans, but the threat then changed to the world). And spoiler alert, Eren was proven right in the end because Paradise does get destroyed. If you live on the Island you either side with Eren or your entire people and its culture will be destroyed. There are no other options, none.

[@ceciliaslepmet4840]

aot s2 is the BEST season!

[@Aot]

NOT FOR ANIME ONLY............ Eren doing it for his close ones is not his no.1 cause for the rumbling. He uses Paradis and his friends as a pretext for his personal wish (131). Whilst he isn't faking the concern over his close ones and paradis being protected, he ultimately went ahead for the dream in the book. its all in 139 too. i think deep down he is set apart from traditional anime characters. he did it cause HE wanted it, not that he had no other choice and that emotional ties to friends was something he focused on alone. Destroying world armies alone would've affirmed financial collapse for countries and put paradis years ahead. putting them at least 100 years apart. He chose to go further than what was necessary. in chapter 130 thats war. in chapter 131 and 134 thats too far. its indiscriminate mass slaughter even at a stage he has achieved freedom from conflict external to paradis... he chose to go against his close ones for his own sake and admitted it in the end

[@thaisennj9781]

He’s a hero.

[@literalmaverick8608]

I'm curious, do ya still think that after the video? Lol

[@thaisennj9781]

@@literalmaverick8608 Yes. I’ll come back after work and try to piece it together.

[@Comicbroe405]

@@thaisennj9781 You don't actually think that right? If you're an anime-only I can see why you would think that but even then he would be an anti-hero cuz no way you would call anybody who kills innocent civilians a "hero".

[@thaisennj9781]

@@Comicbroe405 that’s a black and white look at it to me. I’m not saying he’s a “good” hero, but i am saying to his people who want to be safe and left alone he’s their hero.

[@thaisennj9781]

@@Comicbroe405 and no I’ve read it all. It’s complicated to put into words tho. Maybe i’ll make a video

[@b.a.badboy7630]

Eren is the hero. Nothing more, nothing less. Also, Floch is garbage. 🤣 I endorse all of Eren's actions. Sometimes, the moral/ethical thing to do only creates a vicious cycle. With him, it's either "leave us alone, or everybody gettin this work." Aaaaand everybody chose this work. So, now, he's showing the world what a provoked monster looks like. All they had to do was leave those island people alone. Nope. Law 47. They disobeyed tf outta that law and kept beating on a group of people until they got a terrible reaction from one of em. Eren is the fruit of Marleyan arrogance and he's making a generation of humans an example. Good.

[@bigchungus7098]

Actually the entire rest of the world can be the source of the problem. And ultimately the end of the manga proves Eren correct. If you think in terms of averages, the rest of the world on AVERAGE will attempt to fire bomb eldia the second they have the ability to do so. So if it is a classic my group vs your group situation (which it fundamentally is) then I don’t really care if your group is 30x larger than my group, and I also don’t care if some of your group is innocent. Because my ability to defend myself, my family, my future families of my group, is limited to the Rumbling. All I can do is crush everyone before they get the technology to crush me. Which the literally do! And mikasa’s descendants suffer for his inability to fully crush the world! If you argue that the total human life being lost influences what is right or wrong, then fine, you agree with Zeke. And that’s fine. There isn’t a nice answer for the problem. It doesn’t care about your ethics or morality similar to the real world. Before Isayama tried to switch up the ending at the last seconds after watching guardians of the galaxy, this “Rumbling Problem” was what made the series really really good. At the end of the day there isn’t a moral solution, because the world itself, PEOPLE themselves, evade morality constantly.

[@dwalaisthename]

Eren is a hero , thats all there is to it

[@literalmaverick8608]

Damn, sorry that the show disagrees with you.

[@Allpracticall]

Another killer video

[@literalmaverick8608]

Thank you so much! Means a lot

[@bearbros6385]

First of all Eren is right. The source is the rest of the world Willie Tybur speech had all the nations in the world there and they all agreed that paradise was the problem also Udo said that eldians are treated way worse than they are in Marley showing that this is not just in Marley it's around the entire world in the manga Zeke was speaking the colt and Zeke said that once technology overruns the Titans Marley and the rest of the world won't have any need for the eldians anymore so given Eren's position given the fact that he saw the memories of Kruger and grisha memories knowing that there were no other options besides Zeke's plan armin's plan and his Eren's plan. Now was Zeke plan is the most morally good one but would you really let yourself and all of your friends and family die for the greater good would you morally make that choice in real life most people wouldn't want to there friends and family die for everyone else now if we take Armin's plan arms plan is good but that doesn't stop Paradise from being safe in the future after the 50 years we'll have to keep relying on the rumbling will have to keep letting kids eat their parents will have to keep seeing this the cycle keep continuing over and over again to ensure their protection which isn't good Eren didn't want to sacrifice Historia. Now Aaron's plan is the most imorral but it does what it does it protects his friends and it protects Paradise for good Marley and the rest of the world was never going to leave Paradise alone and in the show proves this so in the end yes it's Aaron's plan morally wrong yes but is it the only chance he can to have his friends and be safe yes his people will have the freedom to do what they want do as they wish and that's why most people agree with Eren. Lastly the story didn't really give Aaron any other choice Aaron did try to find any other choice that would ensure Paradise is freedom for good but no other plan had the end result that would keep Paradise from being attacked again

[@Yusei5ds0707]

15:19 Hunter x Hunter did it better.

[@nerlinr.e7615]

honestly floch is my favorite, how dare u call him detestable

[@literalmaverick8608]

I mean, he's a good character! Just a terrible person. Lmao

[@OK-69420]

Eren himself said his framework. He's putting an end to 2000 years of Titan war.

[@dunbarin]

nice video people are just blinded by sympathy when it comes to eren

[@literalmaverick8608]

Thank you! And yeah, I do think people kinda focus on the hurt that our cast has endured rather than the rest of the world. Lol

[@brudapeace]

@@literalmaverick8608 nah bro the people arguing at least most of them understand the pain the world had to endure in the past with Eldians, the issue is that those are "past" atrocities that was started by ONE MAN and that is King Fritz who just wanted to rule the world and I place emphasis on past because that's exactly what it is. The Eldians of the modern day in attack on titan have nothing to do with the atrocities of the past, that's almost the same thing as saying the Germans should pay for their sins because of the atrocities that Hitler committed, in basic sense it doesn't make any sense yet Marley keep on poking the bear because they're "devils that can turn into titans" yea and the funny thing is the ones that are turning those "devils" into titans are the Marleyens themselves, do you see the hypocrisy? And I don't know if you haven't focused early in the the season but the power of the titans are becoming obsolete simply because the world is catching up meaing Marley's spot as the top military force will get taken away from them and what was their response? To send 4 Eldian/Marleyen kids to take the founder so they could take the founder's power for themselves to remain the top military force, in other words Marley attacked Paradis Island for their resources and conveniently masked it as "getting rid of the island devils once and for all" if that wasn't the case then they would have attacked way earlier they didn't have to wait 100 years in order to make the first move based on a hunch that the founder was gonna use the rumbling it doesn't make any sense, but it's convenient to use that as an excuse simply because the whole world hates the Eldians. Placing morality when it comes to this show is messy simply because it almost doesn't exist in it, so it's not a good argument to place morality as to why these characters should or should not do something in this show it's simply a completely different world that requires a different mindset. When it comes to what eren is doing I always say look at it like this, imagine you have a family and there is a mob in a town or a city that's coming to kill you, your family and destroy your home and this is every person in the city which would mean that there are kids and babies in the mob that have nothing to do with it, then there are people that are also in the mob that have nothing to do with it but are joining along because idk community pressure or being threatened to be killed if they don't or just for no reason other than just to follow the crowd essentially making themselves to be sheep or livestock, then there's the people in the mob that is actually trying to kill you, now you have a gun and a bomb and now you have a few options to think of and remember with each passing moment of thinking about the best solution this mob is approaching closer, you can A. Talk no jutsu your way out of it, B. Use the gun to shoot those that are trying to kill you and leave those that aren't, option C. Give up and let you and your family die to satisfy the people trying to kill you or D. Bomb them all, morally the first two option would be better morally but they won't protect your family because option A. Would just leave you as an open target and it's to risky to bet not only yourself but your whole family on that plan, option B. Is irrational because simply you won't know whose the real threat in the crowd, it would just be time-wasting an in that time while you're shooting you're giving the people that dont wanna be apart of the mob or are there just because a reason to slaughter your whole family and in that time the mob would have found a better strategy to attack you since your one person and you'll get killed by the end of it, Option C. may be the most noble when looking at it from a "morality" standpoint but what it is really is satisfying the mob that's trying to kill you and your family and no rational human being would just want to sacrifice themselves to people they don't owe anything to which only leaves option D. Bomb the whole mob kids will die in that mob people who have nothing to do with the mob will die in that bombing and those that want to kill you will die, it's tragic that kids and people that had nothing to do with it were involved, but it is the most efficient way to keep your family safe and mind you this your family vs a whole town/city/area whatever you wanna call it so there is a huge quantity of people that die in that bombing. What I explained in option A.,B. and C. is basically Zeke's, Armin's and Hange's plan, none of their plans benefit the Eldians in any shape or form in the long run while Eren's being the most atrocious is the most beneficial to the Eldians and you can use the same argument against the rest of the world when it comes to wanting to commit genocide against Paradis Island and the Eldians, kids and innocents in Paradis Island will also be killed, it's just way too complex to make it about who's the hero and who's the villain, and what we think is right or wrong in this scenario, Eren doesn't even want to do the rumbling, he even broke down crying in the manga in chapter 131 simply because he hated his plan so much but understood it was the most effective way to save his people, in other words he was backed into a corner and now has to make the tough decisions and usually the tough decisions aren't usually the most agreeable to the general public but hey it's what gets the job done heck a freaking national alliance was formed before Eren even attacked, that should tell you all that you need to know. I believe the only reason a lot of people are not for what Eren is doing is simply due to the fact that they are putting themselves into the world's shoes and as much as I hate to say it, this world does have a sick sense of morality, at least that's I believe but that's another argument entirely. So yeah Eren did nothing wrong If there is any spelling errors or mix-ups then I'm sorry for that

[@khotunkhan3950]

@@literalmaverick8608 of course what do you expect You dont expect everyone to be full logical and heroic about the show People are emotionally attached to him so sorry if you think anyone supporting him has issues

[@deedcomicsanime2964]

Eren just killed it and I mean it

[@lxfj2128]

Eren would be a hero if he acc finished the rumbling.

[@drewsclues5394]

No

[@chinmayam156]

Damn the modern media brainwashed people into thinking f@scism or nationalism is the worst thing ever. Loving your people your Heritage your race your culture and wanting a place for your people is not bad thing.

[@florianschumann135]

But why are "your" people more deserving to live than the "other". Such distinctions are purely made up by humans, we are one race in biological terms. So if wanting a place for your people means exterminating innocent others, that is wrong.

[@chinmayam156]

@@florianschumann135 open border for Israel