The Truth About Fair Use [Scribble Kibble #13]

[@Chipflake]

Thank you for mentioning this! The amount of people who don't know that selling drawings of copyrighted characters is not legal is staggering

[@MirageMia]

+Chipflake I'm literally in a fight with someone right now on DA over this. They're flipping their crap like it is super shocking and they CAN NEVER MAKE FANART AGAIN OMG Like seriously? Holy crap...

[@toesnub9676]

Chipflake whoa look who I found

[@kritoder4325]

Chipflake omg hiiiiiiiiii chipflake!i luv ur vids!

[@sycamorality]

Chipflake? Is dat chu?

[@Mystery-Wolf]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA ITZ YOU AANAVIKSJHGHSVYHXHG E

[@AntonyCannon]

Love the air quotes. Air quotes rule. Everyone else shut up. They rule. Shhhhhhhhh

[@MrMovix]

no ideea what an air quote is but let's say they rule. princess

[@sonofbelz]

+Movix Movix001 Air quotes is the physical gesture of " "

[@Kraigon42]

+Movix Movix001 Think of Dr. Evil. That might make it clearer.

[@HauntedOmens]

Yay! lol. wait.. werent you on an episode?

[@oreokatanimatez690]

Shhh

[@BunchOfOats]

"Make your own dang stuff!!" -Crowne Prince (2016)

[@CrownePrince]

The FU episode!

[@williamt2334]

+Crowne Prince Stupid sexy wolf

[@popmoncatkittyhero]

+Crowne Prince yes please.

[@TGSpartan]

+Crowne Prince More like The FUck Episode. ;)

[@hts9]

NO U episode :p

[@snopes1119]

What would happen if the two parties are in different countries with different fair use rules? Say Disney tried to sue someone from England or another country, which fair use rules would apply?

[@TechPony]

I don't even care about fair use. I just like listening to Prince talking about things. Is that weird?

[@Copperflash]

Nope, not that weird XD

[@GryphShot]

There's quite a few of us who would agree with you X3 I actually do care about Fair Use though so it's a win win for me ^^

[@artsally___2716]

TechPony no its not it's normal 😸😸😸

[@ditto5068]

TechPony that's fine. I'm basically the same

[@Dragon_owl]

I do too :p

[@Terker2]

so by that 90% of react channels are not fair use

[@CW25710]

Terker2 duh

[@VerbenaIDK]

yes but youtube y'know

[@teas-party]

as someone with inteeense adhd, the part with the "game show" parody helped me understand sooo much! thanks!!

[@emreznick7092]

Captain Jellyroll same

[@turduck6282]

Fair Use is intensely abused on YT

[@CrownePrince]

I agree. It motivated me to make this video.

[@Marcus-xp6hr]

turduck turduck yes they used many video like example asmr to make off money

[@joshscorcher]

VERY VERY GOOD. This is very informative and put together in an entertaining way, Crowne Prince. Nice job!

[@LeafRazorStorm]

This really needs to replace KZbin Copyright School...

[@creepydash9356]

or crikey camerons "cool cat SAVES the kids."

[@QuartzOfficial]

but its like 15 minutes

[@PowWowChikaBowWow6902]

@@QuartzOfficial that just makes this video even better if it can explain everything that is needed to know within just 15-minutes

[@ピカリFritzyBeat]

These videos are unbelievably helpful in making this stuff easy to understand X3 Thanks Prince!

[@CWAglock]

I spent hours in a room sitting, watching, Scribble Kibble.

[@Zephysonas]

These types of videos are usually really boring. But you made it interesting and engaging, impressive!! Iv taken entertainment Law classes and this is a lot of what I heard there as well.

[@RavinKaito]

The video everyone needs! xD I always come here and say I'm grateful for each tutorial, and I mean it *each* time... but *this* one is a tremendous introduction to the whole shebang. Thanks a ton! Your livestreaming music playlist is great btw.

[@RockerMan503]

Perfect explanation of what fair use (in the states) is! Thanks for making something I can point people to when they say "wait, what's fair use then?"

[@clahamchowder]

I've really just stepped into the art world on the internet in the past year or so, so these videos have been helpful. Thanks :D

[@VocalScorePony]

This clears up lots and lots in a clear, enjoyable, concise way. Fun to watch, AND informative. Good stuff! :3

[@markusvonstubblelord226]

The animation is super cute. Love the way you keep things simple and understandable. ❤

[@Feedback_Jack]

I'm so happy you made these! I'm sick and tired of all the idiotic nonsense people say on youtube regarding IP law.

[@FoxgenS]

AWESOME ! , kinda weird, but in one of my classes we went over copyright and fair use laws and basics, then youtube right now is going through a multitude of issues with that, your aming amazing videos explaining it , i actually really adore your art :3

[@markthecat1531]

I love the paw movement here 0:43

[@OpalShade]

Was definitely interesting. Regarding the Let's Play thing, as far as I know (I didn't start yet) Let's Plays technically count as copyright infringement since footage from the game is used. I'm not too deep into the topic but from what I read is that (at least in Germany) you need to ask the publisher (or creator for indie games) to record the game and (what most want) monetize the video. Technically you even need to ask for both separately because some companies are okay with recording and uploading the content but not making money out of it - 2k Games, Bethesda or Blizzard had a policy like this, even though it could vary and might have changed over time (just ask and see how they decide for you).

[@threestoogesSC4]

That was a brilliant summary of Fair Use. Thank you for putting (effectively) the current state of it into plain English. The illustrations were amusing as well.

[@MaxIThink]

This is actually pretty helpful. And I don’t even make fan art or animations that much.

[@CrowRider1999]

Hm,that actually makes a lot of sense...I've seen some incidents of copyright and it just turned my brain into mush trying to decipher it. This actually cleared up some of the things that got confusing for me,so now I understand it better!

[@briannaharter4411]

I swear there needs to be stricter punishments for copyfraud.so that both copyright holders and fair use users have protection.right now fair use favors copyright holders to much and this power balance issue is causing serious issues.especially with youtube.

[@aracheldra8763]

From 5 minutes of Googling (I am not a laywer, etc.), I think there actually are serious penalties for bogus copyright takedowns: you have to swear under penalty of perjury that it's your work, and perjury is a serious crime. **Edit**: Strike that, it's only perjury in really specific cases; most of the time it's only a monetary penalty (damages and legal fees) which probably wouldn't mean much to a big company. **Edit 2**: and even that penalty apparently applies basically never. So it probably does need a more serious penalty -- but even then to actually _get_ the penalty you'd probably still need to go to court, which isn't much consolation for most of us.

[@IamusTheFox]

Very well made. I love your style. I found my new favorite youtuber 8D It's insulting how under subbed you are.

[@ennisdelrosario3825]

Oh my god thank you for this video. This is literally what I just needed. Informative yet concise!

[@troopcaptain]

On a bit to a Fair Use thank to Nostalgia Critic, watching several brony on their thoughts of KZbin's Copyright system, found this video, loved it, then saw that it was posted 10 DAYS before NC posted his video. Subscribed!

[@DreamstartheWarrior]

I stopped caring about copyright long ago. Unless you are claiming that you made a character or a song when you didn't, then I don't pay much attention.

[@akariovo7505]

Same.

[@extrapathos]

yea same

[@rayhiros]

The ground rule for all of it, if you are not 100% sure, ask the owner or let it be and do your own stuff.

[@novacide3901]

5:00 " Does it stop us from making money? " " Well it's- " " Okay, but does it stop us from making money!? "

[@GentleShotgun]

Great video! The very last question in the Q&A was the answer I was looking for so I was sitting on the edge of my seat the entire video haha!

[@doggyotoyos]

This has been extremely helpful! Having this explained is so much better than trying to read it off of certain sites. Now I realize that the thing I had planned, and scripted out, is now a no no. ... but it's tempting to actually do it.

[@CrownePrince]

+Angry Camper I sometimes do things I know are wrong, but it's always for me to have fun, it's not-for-profit, and it's small so I don't spend a huge amount of time on it. That way if it does get deleted it's no great loss. Maybe think of a way to change your idea so it's more "fair," or so that it's all your own original creation.

[@doggyotoyos]

+Crowne Prince I'll have to try that. ..I am pretty sure it could be considered satire, but I will have to look at examples like you said.

[@FanOfManyShows]

Well, after watching this video. If I was ever called to court for one of my fan made trailers infringing on copyright, while I don't really know what I'd do. I do know now that saying they are parodies would be a reliable defense, right? Also, with the way I structure and treat my channel, I don't mind Hasbro using my videos for money. They already use two of them for that anyways.

[@SNICKRRDOODLES]

Oh wow, these videos make things SO MUCH EASIER! Thanks so much!

[@Sikkday]

this is a super fun topic for DJs considering they upload content that is mostly, if not entirely comprised of other people's work. It's like selling drugs in a police station. I had a video with 34 songs in it for about a year until it randomly got taken down last week because the copyright on one of those songs was suddenly changed. My video went from freely available to the public to blocked in all countries at the snap of a finger. Kids, if you want to play with music, don't. Find independent musicians who aren't owned by anyone or anything available to work directly with you OR use KZbin's hand-picked list of copyright free music.

[@CrownePrince]

+Sikkday DJs have it rough. Music is so frustrating to deal with. Even on my videos, sometimes people claim their song is a Creative Commons license, but it turns out they stole the song or they've enrolled in content ID. Live performances you can get away with most of the time, but once you're trying to upload your mixes to something like KZbin you're screwed.

[@Sikkday]

***** it's actually a miracle that some kids get away with uploading 9 hours of their epic gamer skrillex dubstep to youtube without getting a single flag. I envy their fortune

[@CrownePrince]

Sikkday Sometimes it takes 2 years, but eventually the system picks it up. Every so often I'll get a music flag for a video I made in 2009.

[@Pegaview]

Sorry, you're being sued by the Fine Bros for having commentary in your video. *waits for senpai*

[@russianvesper3866]

moral of the story but written intellectually: "why would you risk all of this turmoil about making a cool simba when you will feel much better creating your very own licensed character"

[@SiggyTundra]

can i us ur vid?

[@Technical0Difficulty]

This is actually the most informative, law-accurate, and entertainingly educational video I've ever seen on copyright ^^ I like how you remain unbiased, but stay very real in the scenarios. It actually helped cleared up some of my worries with wanting to do dramatic readings, in a roundabout way. :) Thanks for the heads up!

[@fornogoodreason551]

I finally got around to this thanks for adding to the discussion

[@CarnageBringer]

This actually taught me so much I never knew

[@2saph2lose28]

2:12 What a coincidence. I got "Be Prepared Reanimated" in my recommended.

[@Crystalitar]

im kinda glad i got an educational view and intend in my commentaries. and thats because i want to be an animator myself. so i adress the ways the cartoon present things wich is educational imo.

[@lucindakittty7769]

This is so great for me cuz I am learning about this in my Web design class!

[@TheApoke]

Great advise! I'm gonna try extra extra careful from now on about making parodies.

[@chickpea]

This is going to be great as usual

[@Kraigon42]

+Mary Universe I don't normally do this, but hey I know where your avatar is from. Good taste!

[@chickpea]

Kraigon42 Oh… Glab you recognized! ^^

[@darksantos1]

This has been pretty much educational, good vid 10/10.

[@tygrahof9268]

I love your voice; it is very relaxing.

[@whammo12]

Thank you. This is much needed.

[@ShallieDragon]

You should make one about Trademark next.

[@LifeWulf]

+ShalMusicFX Would have been super topical if Prince released such a video during the whole FineBros™ debacle.

[@CrownePrince]

+LifeWulf We'll just wait patiently for another internet drama to blow up and we can do trademark then. Trademark to me is much easier to understand than fair use. Even though people are constantly confusing trademark and copyright. xD

[@ShallieDragon]

***** I actually find trademark to be confusing, in that it's hard to tell what can and can't be trademarked, what dilutes a trademark, what a trademark does for you, stuff like that.

[@Spannondorf]

This channel is pretty great and super informative. Definitely subbing and sticking around. The one statement I'll debate about is fair use when it comes to Let's Plays. Reaction videos I'll give, because the video you're reacting to is not transformative media, but unless your game is 100% story like, for example, Firewatch, I don't think a Let's Play would break Fair Use simply because a major part of the game is actually playing it. The media is transformative, nobody is going to play a game exactly like you, and watching someone else play a game you like is a much different experience compared to playing it yourself. Games and Let's Plays (usually)don't compete with each other. This is coming from a Let's Player, albeit a small one, so there's oviously some bias, but I do make a point not to play games that rely on story over gameplay, as the ability to make it your own experience is drastically diminished. I do know you blatantly said "I don't know" and gave your personal opinion, and I'm not trying to change your mind, but I'm mainly posting this to give the other side of the debate specifically for this scenario in case anyone reads the comments and is curious. Like you said, until it's brought into court and explicitly stated yes or no, we'll never know.

[@ChaosRayZero]

I wonder if tutorials on how to do some fancy in-game trick, or video walkthroughs on a specific part to show you what to do (perhaps because the game's official instructions were unclear) might be able to classify as "educational" as well- you're arguably teaching people how to play the game. Then again, why do _you (instead of the company that owns the rights)_ get to choose what kind of game is considered story-heavy? Maybe a player shows some crazy fluke that happened to them in Splatoon 2's online multiplayer- _maybe they uploaded a video of the Octo-Expansion's cutscenes so players don't have to pay for the DLC to watch them._ *KZbin's Content ID program can't tell the difference,* and will probably claim all ad revenue for Nintendo on both of them. Maybe the player decides Splatoon 2 doesn't have as many cutscenes as something like Final Fantasy, so he thinks he deserves the ad revenue on the second case as well. Given my first paragraph, puzzle games like Portal or adventure games like The Secret of Monkey Island might not have much in the way of story, but a lot of the gameplay relies on figuring out what to do next, and a video will spoil that for you. Fan-made walkthroughs posted online ruin the company's ability to sell official strategy guides, which actually have mostly died out a couple of decades ago _for this exact reason;_ most players will ask, "why buy a book when I can look it up online for free?" In the olden days of the internet, game companies couldn't do a dang thing about text-based walkthroughs because they technically don't contain copyrighted material, _but the video walkthroughs they use these days... THOSE can get shut down easily._ [Note "Profiteering" (if your walkthrough has ads), "Substitutes" (it's a substitute for the "merchandise" of the official strategy guide) and "Automated Deletion" at 7:26] I bet a lot of game companies would much rather put one policy on all of their games than try to figure out which ones can easily be "spoiled" and which ones can't, too. Gameplay footage of an action-platformer like Megaman, as you said, is arguably transformative because it's different for every player. _Gameplay of a Visual Novel like Phoenix Wright however, is just showing you the dialogue and the answers to all the puzzles._ Both games belong to Capcom, and their legal department may not want to mess with having different procedures for each. *Tl;dr: Making a one-size-fits-all law is complicated, man. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯*

[@ChaosRayZero]

For the record, I'm not saying anything about _any_ of those game companies' policies, so don't quote me on any of it if you use footage from their games. I don't know which ones care and which ones don't, so you'll have to look their policies up yourself.

[@leximinatheselfshipper4550]

crowne: fair use fair. me: wtf just happened lol love the vid

[@burstangelrules]

you mean there's a way to get you to chase me instead? I never thought there would be a stick involved, but I like it.

[@KobuZero]

I've been worried about this, I don't plan on making money off any animation that isn't my own original work, but I use my favorite character Supergirl for a lot of practice stuff. I'm always wondering if it's actually bad for me to show those, especially if I try any story related stuff.

[@snapkon_jam]

I'm a little confused but I feel a little relieved

[@virgultravis12]

Best explanation of Fair Use by far!

[@ICHAusrufezeichen]

This was very enlightening!Thanks

[@shydenpierce7249]

I personally think that lets plays are fair use because it provides people wanting to buy the game. Thats my opinion though

[@FuriousJohn87]

This was good, nice job

[@moondragonstudio8324]

Very Usefull video. Awesome job

[@CeledonianError]

Considering the fact that Rob Swire encourages people to pirate his music and that fan characters became his and Gareth McGrillen's offical mascots... Yeah I think I'm good with turning Knife Party albums into dragons.

[@Mr3wheeledbike]

the only channel were I get awesome animations and (not) legal advice :p

[@KimonoSkunk]

This is a good video, (as my being a furry fan) this goes back to 2004. I met MaxBlackRabbit at Anthrocon who had a character I liked. I pulled Max aside and asked him politely if I could use his character ZigZag in a story that wasn't porn involved, and wanted his permission face to face. He was pleasantly surprised and said sure. I met Max a year or 2 later and he remembered me and asked how my stories was going. I said things were fine, but He also said he remembered me because I was polite and up-front with him. ^^ (And my being Canadian as well as he was helped too I bet... ) ^^ The point I'm making here, is always be polite when asking. Sure the stories were finished, but I never had them published. I might make a web comic or small animation later. And when that happens, i'm sure his (MBR's) permission still stands. Again, thank you for an excellent video... Kimonoskunk

[@c4lubs503]

your character is adorable :)

[@lucario_the_fairytale_fan6322]

What about parodys that use the same characters but do diffrent things from the origanal ?

[@extrapathos]

A parody is a parody, that's fair use.

[@meepmeep1846]

Holy cow! Your voice is amazing!!

[@VyrewoIf]

14:30 So if I made a warriors fanfiction using canon clans and set in canon locations but my own oc's i could copyright the characters but not the story because it used the warriors world?

[@liamalexander9613]

ok so how about this i make my own fan made series based on the life of one of my own drawn ocs but the models are similar to the ones seen in the show (im gonna go with pokemon) is that still considered fair use or is it to similar?

[@CrownePrince]

+Rhythm n kryptic Fair use.

[@liamalexander9613]

***** ight thank you merci

[@morphiuszx3438]

I gotta watch more Tacoman Plays...!

[@0d0d0d]

Why do I feel like you watch IHE?

[@CrownePrince]

+ViperX5Legit Because I do!

[@0d0d0d]

I knew it!

[@0d0d0d]

Also.... I am only 12 years old and I am only good at Adobe Premeire pro cc. I am ok at photoshop and after effects but I am mainly good at premeire pro... I am learning adobe flash cc and I am not good at all. I am good at Cinema 4d 3d animation though. I also cant draw what so ever..... I am thinking of buying a 60 dollar intous tablet off amazon though! My questions are How should I get better and who should I learn from? Also, am I able to make a skeleton of a character in flash and not have to draw frame by frame? Thank you.

[@CrownePrince]

+ViperX5Legit All you have to do to get better is keep drawing. Yes, in Flash you can make a character and move the pieces around so that you won't have to draw frame by frame. I have a very old tutorial about this. I'll be making a new one for Scribble Kibble but it isn't on my schedule any time soon. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4Wtp394p7ief7c

[@0d0d0d]

Thank you so much!

[@mattwo7]

You don't need to be big to enroll for content ID, you just have to have 100% original content. I know some companies like Valve have policies where you can legally use their stuff no problem, but KZbin's staff won't care. Plus you can still remove a video that was stolen without content ID. I've done it once with this parody of mega evolution in pokemon (the obvious digimon joke) using footage from an offical trailer. Then again, it might just be that the guy took it down himself when I yelled at him... but really KZbin doesn't actually review copyright claims so it probably doesn't even matter who you are as long as you uploaded the video to your channel first.

[@AliPyro]

Even with like original or free music, companies will still go "Nah that sounds too close to X" and take out down or they'll just take it down for the plain reason of they can.

[@bazuli]

Thanks this was really helpful!

[@goldenfloof5469]

I've posted several pieces of music that I didn't add anything to and were just copyrighted pieces of music and I haven't gotten caught yet. Mostly because I use audacity to turn them into mumbled pieces of terrifying garbage that people would only think were from 20 year old indie horror games.

[@espy8287]

This is pretty helpful, good job on this video. I make a lot of Pokemon fanart, and I have a webcomic on it. By your rules, it's not really fair use, but I haven't gotten copyright strikes or anything because hardly anybody knows about it.

[@tired3444]

It's pretty tiring to repeatedly see people posting disclaimers on pieces of work thinking that it does...anything.

[@CrownePrince]

+Tired Brony It's a pet peeve of mine. Every time I see "copyright infringement not intended" I scream internally.

[@ChaosRayZero]

@@CrownePrince I don't even keep it internal- people in my vicinity will hear me name-calling and grumbling at my computer screen, _especially when they forget the word "infringement."_ >﹏< I'm like, *"OF COURSE the copyright was intended, you dimwits! This company didn't somehow **_accidentally_** copyright their work!"*

[@Zedrinbot]

Other types of fanart protected by fair use: Porn >:V Porn parodies are a really REALLY common thing that's protected under fair use. Thing with fanart on fair use, though, usually it doesn't matter because it's not being sold. When it IS, however, there's a major argument to be made that you missed: Fair use pertains to copyright, and copyright in US (and currently international afaik) copyright law applies to actual media, not concepts. Art, writing, scripts, dialog, etc. It's a gray area, but essentially you just can't copyright a character. Ergo, on a stylized piece of work, fair use actually isn't even an issue because the only thing 'infringed' upon is a concept--the character itself. That said, characters can still be protected through means other than copyright (eg trademarks) and that becomes a different can of worms. Unless you live in Canada. Or Japan. edit: You actually did mention characters, saying the copyright applies to them. :V That's actually incorrect, though (unless you're in one of the aforementioned countries). Common misunderstanding. As I said, it has to be some piece of media. It IS possible to copyright a character but that's a hugely complicated process that not even a lot of major companies have been able to go through. It'd be kinda f'd up if you could copyright a concept. It's open to abuse, and does often get abused in countries where copyright can apply to concepts and characters.

[@CrownePrince]

+Zedrin Once the character exists in some sort of visible media and is distinctive and developed, then it's copyrighted. Otherwise, if someone were to take Starsign characters and make a spinoff for money, there would be nothing to stop them from doing so. In order to have trademark protection, those characters would have to be used in branding to identify products or services. And you're right, you can't copyright an idea. That bit I mentioned in the other video.

[@Zedrinbot]

***** But the copyright winds up applying to the description and depiction of the character--not the character itself. The copyright at the end of the day still applies to the media, not solely the concept. And that tbh is a bit more broad reaching than it sounds, but it's the most accurate way to describe it still. Characters aren't quite protected by copyrights--they're rather protected by extension of copyright-protected works. If say you have a character, call him Superman, make a world around him in the form of comics and writing, that's what'll protect you from someone reproducing your work. The trademark is a protection that comes in to prevent someone else from naming their 'similar' character Superman as well. I use Superman cause there was actually a debate and case on that years back--it was essentially how a copyright can wind up applying to a character. The key dependent factor was while the original works that conceptualized Superman fell into public domain, the parent company was still producing new works that contained him in them. Ergo, Superman himself couldn't fall into public domain, and was kinda like having copyright protections of his own.

[@lemuraiafromdaysofold2144]

"and are made of candy" best quote

[@nexiletherenagade]

This video basically sums up my problem with fan fiction witch I am writing one and it is that it will only ever be fan fiction you can have the best story on the planet but if you want it to take place in the same world as a series you like it will only only ever be a fanfic and can never be truly yours.

[@murphyandhislaw5377]

Ladies and Gentlemen! In this corner the laws in question! Fair Use! In this corner weighting in at 7.8 out of 10 on the adorable scale with a stick in the mouth! Scribble Wolf! All in all this is a really well done video explaining fair use, but I believe you might want to be more specific with regard to your statement "...or something Disney could make with its characters." Your execution of the idea might not be what they could come up with, but the idea its self could me recreated by Disney and then merchandised. Also for anyone who wishes to look at case law, weather for fair use or anything in general, you will be looking for case laws that set precedent, these are the laws that Crowne was referring to when saying that the court will look for cases that are similar to yours. Quick question for Crowne is Scribble Wolf a puppet? If not how many different pre-rendered positions are there? I've counted at least 5 to 7.

[@CrownePrince]

+Murphy andhisLaw Scribbles is part puppet, part frame-by-frame. I don't use the puppet function much. Like I could tween the side pose's foreleg, but so far I haven't.

[@TheMAM]

I remember that credits music from Buncha Frames. :D

[@TheAquaticBronyPlays]

1:03 Hmm...well there's a huge reason why Fair Use can be seen as 'FU'. AYYYY CAN A BROTHER-ONY RELATE?

[@LillyLemonzzz14]

Thank you so much for the video and to help to giving me a better understanding of fair use! You explained pretty clear and I'm sure now I got an idea of fair use and it's laws! I just have one more question, if you are making an animation meme, (I don't mean like if Its an original meme, example; I want to make the floppy ears meme but I didn't actually create the meme. ) will you still have to check the song used in the meme for information about its fair use?

[@emmasartandanimation2857]

Was wondering the same thing I made an animation meme but then wasn't sure if I could actually upload it

[@arkaintaylor5292]

Lol, notice the thumbnail says "FU" as in "Fuck U?" HA i think thats funny! XD

[@Wheelz567]

Curious how things like "donation and support" fall into this. Like say an artist uses Patreon to support their fanart creations. The argument I've heard is that they are being supported for the labor, not the content directly, because most (at least the ones I follow) upload the content for free anyways (like say a comic) regardless of how much support/donations they may or may not receive. But as you mentioned, getting compensation out of it doesn't matter legally when trying to defend. Great video though. It's just funny, because it sounds like 80% of fandoms are violating "something" ie: nearly every single convention I've ever been to. It's amusing because in the case of at least Hasbro, they go around supporting MLP conventions (letting staff attend), and totally know that fan content is being sold. But as you said, they probably like it as it garners support for the official release.

[@CrownePrince]

+Wheelz567 This is also something with no legal case law to look back on. Crowdfunding is pretty new. And Patreon is what - two years old? Patreon is often used to solve the problem of making money directly off of fan art (or even things that are much more blatant forms of copyright infringement). If someone is doing this I suggest also mixing in their own original creations, and cover multiple fandoms instead of one. Anything you can do to avoid being pinned as, "this person is making money off of this one specific franchise." The less one specific copyright holder is able to attribute profits you've made to their copyright, the better. Yeah, everybody's violating copyright all the time. You just have to know what's likely to get you in trouble.

[@Wheelz567]

***** Yea very true. I for instance follow two fan made MLP based fan comics that *used to* use Patreon. Their stories had a mixture of original ideas combined with established content (like the settings and about 30% of the cast being from the show itself). Granted, both of these artists have actually stepped back from Patreon due to stress of needing to crank out rewards every month >_> But that's for another day xD. Thanks for the reply :)

[@tulukas2561]

Fanart usually promotes the original content anyway, because that means people like your content.

[@Sponandi]

The most ridiculous thing a company could do is, to give an option to upload recorded videos to KZbin, and claim those videos. As Nintendo did this exact thing in Wii U games.

[@TemporalOnline]

QUESTION: At 4:28 the line "or something that the creator could do with its creation"; well, the creator can do ANYTHING with its creation, so, how can ANYTHING fall into fair use using that argument? What I mean is, if I have enough money, and want to remove someone's commentary or critique of of my work from someone else that used even if a tiny portion of my work, all I would have to do is say that I would have done it myself in order to draw attention to it (via drama) and voilá, nobody will be able to critique my work because I can do whatever with my work and someone else did some whatever thing that I could have done just didn't do yet.

[@CrownePrince]

+TemporalOnline When I say that, it's about them taking their creation and using it to make merchandise or spin off series' or whatever. The legalese is that the creator has the right to exploit their creation to make money, and you don't have that right. The copyright owner couldn't respond with, "Oh, I could have critiqued my own work," because that's pretty silly. Actually, blocking people from critiquing your work is censoring and gets into free speech problems (in the US). And while the law won't do anything about it unless someone with enough willpower and money sues you, you'll sure as heck get internet people breathing down your neck about "this person takes down anything bad that is said about them."

[@TemporalOnline]

I understand what you said and I also think it is silly, I agree with you 100%, but if this is the legal argument someone has to pass through, in a place were corporations are people, and money is speech, in my mind any stretch, no matter how far-fetched, can, will, and has possibility of being won in court.

[@summonerstripclub4840]

all my FC's are illegal...I'm dying internally

[@PuppyLuvU2]

There was recently a funny little music animation that came out called Ice cream witch made by planet doland, might be a good animation to do on scribble kibble?

[@Kelleycartoons]

I DIED When she said make your own stuff!!! 😄 Because I have these characters that are completely original and I made them and I've created them or had them in mind for about 4 years now and they're gonna become a cartoon series!! >:3 And plus I've made changes to them as the time went on, so that's great!! 😄 (OMG I just realised it's been five years now because it's 2017 oops 😁) Also I'm getting my own animating "thing" that comes with a stylus for my birthday (March 20!) so I can do my dream cartoon I've been wanting to do for so long (*_*) (I said thing because I don't know what that may be) And also I've made stories about my characters 😀 but I need animation tutorials because I didn't start animating yet.... 😳 But I just need that practice and I have serious passion to make my characters that I worked on for all this time now into an animated cartoon!! >:3 Even if it takes like, some years to practice. Also I need to practice drawing my characters and adding more characters I wanna fit into the series because there are some characters that are the main focuses but I need more >:3 (Gonna have to create) And also I have these books I've written to back me up. :3 BTW I'm 14 😐

[@RabiesGirl]

haha that last bit made me think of kimba XD

[@lordwhoops9017]

What about creating fusions of two different characters owned by the same person or group?

[@MeisPip]

Speaking of smaller copyright users Toby Fox can once again be used as an example due to a recent album of cover songs from the game that was directly approved by Toby himself to be sold for actual money

[@CrownePrince]

+Pip Yep! I'm thinking Toby contacted RichaadEB and Insaneintherainmusic and allowed them to sell albums if they gave a percentage in royalties for each sale to him. That's how a smart businessperson behaves. Now everyone involved makes money instead of none of them, and the music covers are super awesome and allowed to exist.

[@MeisPip]

***** I am not sure how he worker it out with RichaadED but I do think that the way the insaneintherain got it so half goes to him half goes to toby and any tips and over payment goes to him.

[@ShadowTheLight]

This seems like a very shaky system

[@ChaosRayZero]

_It is,_ but so far nobody's come up with a more stable one to use instead. -_-

[@AlyssaRK]

There actually was a case on fair use regarding reaction videos, the channel H3H3 was sued if their reaction video was fair use and the judge ruled in their favor, so now there is case law regarding that. I'm not sure about Let's Plays though.

[@soulspuncaramel9869]

15:13 Are those stars copyright stuff? They look like the start that shows up on Steven's shirt. (you know this but Steven is from Steven Universe)

[@ChaosRayZero]

Doubtful. They also look a little like Starfy, and Kirby's Warp Star. Some concepts (such as the shape of a star) are too generic to copyright or trademark.

[@JAAMThePony]

Crown Prince you're a F*ckin Genius