The Truth About Harley Davidson Dealer Deception. Part 2 of HD Dealer RP

Let's discuss the truth about Harley Davidson dealer deception. Are you being charged too much at the Harley dealer? Are you being ripped off? This part 2 the link to part 1 - if you haven't seen it is below.
Harley Davidson dealership rip off Part 1
• Harley Davidson Dealer...
I bring up the last 4 of 5 points of discussion on this topic - the last point get's many people angry. At the end, I also discuss problems I have had with dealers and give a bonus tip that will help many of you BUT some of you will call me crazy.
Join me on my Street Glide Special for the ride to the local Harley dealer and after for the discussion about this controversial topic.
Let me know in the comments about your experiences with your dealer.
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[@echevarriawilson]

I've had nothing but a good experience with Bruce Rossmeyer's Harley in Ormond Beach Florida. I got the extended warranty along with the service plan on a police fleet road king 3 years ago. In 2019 they were selling the police road king for 10k. Since then I've had a cracked header, leaky seals, broken pipe and blown transmission. The cost for all of this was in the $10k range and I paid absolutely NOTHING out of pocket. Everything was covered and thier service department continues to impress me by thier ability to go above and beyond. I will never go anywhere else to buy a Harley.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for the positive comment. Wow, great experience - as it should be

[@KindredGh0st]

How has this channel not blown up? The insight and observations are amazing.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, new channel... I'm waiting

[@stellarida8797]

Loved your last point. If you are fortunate enough to own a bike that costs $20k plus, you might as well think on the positive side and not get caught up about costs for certain upgrades or repairs. Why skimp when you’ve already paid an high amount for something. I always say it’s one thing to afford to buy something. But you must also be able to maintain it. If you can’t then buy something cheaper and be happy!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comment - you are spot on!

[@jamesarcher3065]

If only people could know what it was like to ride into a H-D dealer in the 70's to 80's they treated you with so much respect and loved to talk about your machine. $3200.00 could buy you a brand new 1200 FXE off the showroom floor , I know people hate what I call ( real harleys ) AMF and pre AMF but they had soul and tons of power. Now it's all about the money ! 20,30, 40 or $50,000.00 or more for a bike and they act like they could care less about you or what you ride." NO THANKS " you can keep your rubber-band , plastic Harleys... J_D

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comment. Whilst true that the more basic bikes have character - it is a joy to ride a modern bike and I find they still have character. I have never had any drams with any Harley dealers or their reps. Lucky me.

[@jamesstafford62]

Yeah back then you could buy a new Low Rider for $3,500 and a new Ford F-150 was $8,000 I get tired of all these old timers whining about Harleys costing too much today! Have you been to town lately a priced a new pickup truck? Harleys have always been expensive compared to other bikes but they’re no more expensive now than they were 50 years ago when price adjusted for inflation

[@jamesbatten8659]

Absolutely Harley need to raise their game , they’ve become complacent with the very people who keep them in buisness. And let’s face it for what they charge and with so many good bikes nowadays you can get a lot more bike for your buck .😁🇬🇧

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@jamesbatten8659 bike buying for me and many others is about getting what you like - not what brand is better value or where you get bang for buck

[@rollandklontz]

The biggest thing with the warranty issues that were happening in the states is Harley was unjustly voiding warranty on bikes that had aftermarket parts when the failure had nothing to do with the aftermarket part. The ruling is simply making Harley prove the aftermarket part caused the failure before they void the warranty.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Yes, I see it as good win for fairness and clarity

[@surfczar]

Hi, just found your channel. I like what you have to say, and thank you for sharing your experiences. I had the wheel & tire warranty on my 2014 Street Glide Special. I was cut off by a car and went into a pothole. I didn't go down or anything like that, but it was a deep hole, and it bend the wheel a bit, not enough to break the seal and go flat right there but you know it was coming. I went to my local dealership where I bought the bike, and they covered it without a question, it took a bit to get the new wheel, but they changed it out, with only the labor that I had to pay. This was pre COVID in upstate New York (just for reference) I agree with number 4 Labor charges are high at the dealership.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comment. Potholes are pretty dangerous for motorcyclists, our roads here are full of them as we had a very wet spring

[@royceeason8680]

I agree 100% with you. I try to always see the bright side of things. Sometimes it's difficult to remain positive. Positivity always makes life a little easier tho!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks Royce, being positive makes a huge difference to your life

[@sandymallon8960]

Not Sandy but ARCHIE, I'VE HAD 10 BIKES IN 15 YEARS AND TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. SMALLEST BEING A WIDE GLIDE AND LARGEST A TRI-GLIDE. 2019 WENT BACK TO A WIDEGLIDE. TOTALLY THE HAPPIEST I'VE BEEN. MY OPINION IT LOOKS LIKE A BIKE SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND EASY TO WORK ON . THE WEIGHT SUITS ME SINCE I'M 81 YEARS OLD. ENJOY YOUR CHANNELL AND THE GREAT MUSIC.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you - love the wide glide too

[@jackbrewer5132]

I always try to think positively about everything, we are on earth for a blink of the eye compared to eternity. I want to have fun on my Harley ultra limited and not sit around being miserable because of some small thing and let it ruin my fun. I'm 68 and am thankful everyday that I can get into the wind. I had a 2017 street glide and it was a nightmare of problems, but I messed up and bought the Milwaukee 8 the first year it was out, my mistake not Harley,my 2021 ultra limited 114 is amazing have had it 2 years and have 20k miles. My goal is to put 500k miles on it before I can't ride anymore. I have several riding buddies that have over 200k miles on their Harley's, having the dealership service their bikes and mine seems expensive but they know the proper way to perform the maintenance pays off in the long run. Awesome channel I really enjoy the content. Thanks Jack

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for watching, love your attitude

[@brontarlabta.k.a.briantayl3484]

Bonus tip? I totally agree! Some might call it karma… We all attract what we give out. Whether we like it or know it or not. That’s what happens.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, so many don't understand this concept

[@garymaclean6903]

I've owned 2 BMW R1150RS. I bought a previous year model new and the dealer gave me a $5,000 discount off List. I've put 150,000 'sporting' km on these bikes with exactly ZERO mechanical issues other than tires, brakes, and regular maintenance. I do my own maintenance and typically don't even have to adjust the valve clearances after 10,000 km intervals. There's no question my bike is a well-engineered design that uses top quality components and assembly, that costs thousands less than a typical Harley. You won't see sissy bars, ape hanger bars, or tacky skulls painted on a BMW, for good reason... The Harley 'Performance Kit' upgrades are a rip-off. You wind up with the same power you can get off the showroom floor from other manufacturers for thousands of dollars less. And Harleys still typically weight hundreds of pounds more, so there's still no valid comparison... People are upset when the dealer charges a premium rate and delivers considerably less. You having to get your pipes changed twice because they put the wrong ones on, says it all... You can see then how their considerable profit is far more important than caring about you getting what you ordered... Aren't you lucky that the dealer can pick your pocket of $50,000 for a mediocre bike design that's over-weight and under-powered.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks Gary, I see you making a lot of negative comments... BUT you ride a BMW R1150RS, lol you are not really in a position to do so. All i see is a value shopper?? I value shop for toilet paper and not much else. Perhaps look deeper.

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

My dealership 25 years ago wanted to charge me $1000 for the privilege of buying a new Harley Sportster 883.Nothing new.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Ouch!!

[@cartyterry6452]

Yes mate life is a mirror! Love your content. Real and honest. Thank you for showing up In my browser 😊❤

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you, that's much appreciated

[@mrgundog_07]

Great discussion. Ive discovered lately the last point is truer than anyone realizes. Awesome content. 🤙🏼

[@KRE03051]

My dealer, during the 5k service, which costs me $400 to maintain my V Twin For Life warranty, charged me 2 hours labor for servicing my front and rear brake cylinders, which only took an hour. I asked why I was charged for 2 hours labor, when it took only an hour. I was told that 2 hours was their "flat" rate for that specific job.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Doesn't sound good?

[@solder4christcoughlin156]

Just subscribed. You gave a different perspective and changed my attitude towards dealer parts and services. It was extremely negative. Not anymore. Appreciate your insight

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for watching, I 'm glad I've helped

[@vanquish_engineering]

solid advice. Love your videos, thank you for putting these out.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you that's much appreciated

[@jeffmartin6200]

Great points and your outlook is spot on. You put positively out in the universe you will be blessed.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you I agree

[@harleyhawk7959]

harley told me back in 05 they would warranty everything on bike as long as they serviced it. right up until the big bore kit they installed went south from spring tensioner falling apart on cams. then their tune changed. they threw crap parts in it shoved it out the door refused to warranty their work.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

That's a bummer to hear -- and experience

[@markwilkinson2389]

For me it's more about the service and quality of work. I'd rather pay a premium as long as I know my bike (and car for that matter) is properly being seen to. I will still do what I can myself within my own limitations.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, that's good advice

[@kuriheka]

Love listening to your advise. Glad I came across it.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

That's much appreciated, thank you.

[@colinvanleeuwen4918]

Hi Aymen, I’ll say the one thing that does my head in with Harley parts is the way they charge EVERYTHING as an extra.. I purchased a replacement backrest pad for my rear rack and the pad arrived without the mounting screws and bracket… that was an extra!!! I find this happens often and this is what gets me off side the most

[@olliewells1929]

Compelled to share.Harley Heaven in melbourne were absolutely brilliant.2016 brand new CVO Ultra 114 M8- 1200kms the engine failed.harley USA wanted to give me a new engine,my dealer gave me a new bike.New bike- 2017 CVO Stage 4 117 kit and after 24000kms this engine failed!! Harley USA said new engine I said no I want a new bike Harley Heaven gave me a new 2018 117!! Loved it -had no problem getting the 131 Stage 4 and Screamin Eagle oil pump with this dealer at a 15% discount.Outstanding!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, mee too. I've always had very good experiences at HH Melb.

[@RideDriveandbuildAU]

I love your bonus tip, we are all very luck if we can be in a position to buy things we want.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much

[@andymck62]

thanks mate i needed to hear this today,completely agree.appreciate your work mate

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, I hope all is ok?

[@lowspeed2300]

Just found your channel, keep up the good work!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you that's much appreciated

[@web525]

Excellent conversation, and I agree with what you said especially the comment about running a business. Motorcycle manufactures, dealers and workshops are not charities. Early in my career I worked for a car dealership selling spare parts, at that time the cost of building the latest model car from spare parts was about ten times the cost of off the showroom floor, without including any labour. Parts and accessories are how a business makes a reasonable amount of their profit.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you and I hope you enjoy the channel

[@geoffhall7827]

Dealers here in NSW , if you have a bike that's over 10yrs in age , they won't work on them. They won't even register mine. So I bypass them all together.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Common with older vehicles because of the potential problems and headaches with upset owners, I will try and do a video on this

[@geoffhall7827]

Yeah but what if the bike is just as good as it was as the day I bought it off the showroom floor. If not better. When it comes to my engine, I go to Branco.

[@rodneybarcus2233]

Great points and a good attitude about the brand. I'd think most understand the points you made. The ones who don't, want to listen to the music but don't want to pay the band.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you

[@hawaiibikekahuna8204]

Ever since the three dealerships consolidated to just one in Honolulu, it has been a "must avoid" place. They sell used Harleys then make you wait three weeks for them to get title from the auction before they will let you take delivery. I was making my first payment with no bike. They don't keep any parts on hand and have to order ALL of them then mark them WAAY up. You cannot order from Mainland dealers as they won't ship to Hawaii.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

wow, that doesn't sound good at all. Disadvantage of a small island?

[@hawaiibikekahuna8204]

@@OldNotDead-Club Just a monopoly of a Harley dealership. I was making my first payment when I was finally allowed to come get my bike.

[@michaelruff9206]

Pretty much agree with your outlook on life is a mirror, I bought my Harley Ultra Limited in 2021 had now problems I was expecting to spend x and that is what I had spent, admittedly I had not ridden for 30+ years when I bought it and yes was scared of the weight since purchase it feels like I have ridden this bike and enjoying riding in excess of 1000 miles a month. Loving your youtube channel watched a few a def thumbs up from me MLLH&R Mike from the UK

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks and welcome to the channel!

[@riffboogie6529]

Really like your last point. Great content new subscriber.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much, its much appreciated and welcome to the channel

[@KiwiBizDude]

Great video, cheers for that. At least you have some large Harley Davidson dealers around. Here in the South Island of NZ there is one reasonable sized HD dealership in Christchurch, a very small one in Nelson, and one in Dunedin. I enjoy working on my own HD as for me that is part owning riding and knowing your motorcycle. Unless there is something I cannot repair, my next HD dealer is a 4 hours ride to Nelson, or 3.5 hours to Christchurch. Over the years, I purchase 70% of my accessories from the US, 20% from Australia, and 10% from NZ. I do not have the feeling of being ripped off by HD Dealers as I do quite a bit of research before I purchase anything.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for the kind words, I agree with you about the research before you buy

[@nikitis13]

Dealerships in general, regardless of what brands they sell need to make a profit on every sale regardless of what they are selling. Harley Davidson dealers are no different, often much better and I don't believe any worse... What is different is the dealer principle that runs each shop and whether their strategy is low volume higher mark up or, higher volume lower mark up... My experience up on the Sunshine Coast was the latter, which always leaves a better buyer experience and impression on the establishment. Great trade in price on my 4 year old Softail Standard 107, so goo in fact, that I wouldn't have sold it for a better price! Traded for a brand new 22 run-out, floor stock Street Bob 114. The change-over was negligible, a few thousand and I was sold. So, a positive buyers experience in my case and miles better than what I can say from past experiences with other dealership in Sydney, selling most Japanese brands, Triumphs and BMW's. Easily the best deal Ive had buying over 10 new bikes/brands. It's a thumbs up from me... Appears, that same strong Harley resale in Australia can be appreciated when using a dealer when trading 👍*Side note... If you come across as an arrogant, poker face a-----h----- expect a bum deal. Ive worked in sales and the customers that are best taken care of are the ones that are genuinely in the game of buying, know their product very well, confident yet fair.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for telling us your experience, much appreciated

[@BrizBiker]

Nice chat about whats relevant in the Harley world. I’m currently weighing up to stick with my dealership for servicing or go independent as there is a great independent shop walking distance from home makes it easy to drop the bike off, I’ve had them install bars for me and Dynotune my bike happy with the service. Only thing would be is,need to go to dealer every so often incase of software updates.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your input. I WISH i had either a dealer OR independent shop within walking distance - that would be great but no such luck.

[@williamjohnson6517]

I find in North Carolina that I'd rather give my business to the (mom and pop shops) . I only use the stealerships if I absolutely have no other option. Also by and large Harley-Davidson doesn't want to work on any bike over 10 years old the word is in the United States. Motorcycles like the street glide and the Road Glide and the road king are probably still relevant with the twin cam motor and still in production with the Milwaukee Eights but other models I don't think they want to deal with because if they try and fix something and something else breaks they might not get the parts for it or they know they're going to be blamed for it. I'd rather give my hard-earned money to the independent little guy as opposed to the multi-million dollar corporations.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@williamjohnson6517 fair call in regard to the small businesses

[@laurierae8672]

Owned two Harley’s in 4 years great experience some miner issues but but the dealer I brought from more than happy to fix no problems

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks and great to hear that -- Favourite Harley?

[@laurierae8672]

@@OldNotDead-Club hi had breakout 2019 great bike but now own 2021 pan America really enjoy it and the option trying different types of ridding I can do with the bike

[@tjzulu1]

Keeping this discussion with the “Harley” parameters Harley Davidson traditionally sells all their merch at premium prices their labor costs while high are much less than BMW who here in the U.S. charge $160.00/hour while Harley charge $125.00/hour….the bottom line is that NONE of them are reasonable as far as merch or labor costs….they’re all ripping everyone off charging exorbitant prices for everything and calling it just “doing business” regardless of paying for knowledge or equipment….they could accomplish the same and or better by reducing prices across the board….history bears this out repeatedly…

[@OldNotDead-Club]

That is the nature of business. They always charge what they can otherwise it wouldn't be profitable and therefore not exist.

[@tjzulu1]

@@OldNotDead-Club Indeed my brother!! Great video!!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@tjzulu1 thanks

[@chadmunday7448]

You are right on the advise..

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much

[@johnasbury9915]

I’ve had really good experiences with all of the dealers I’ve dealt With and understand that they have to make their dealership profitable and keep the doors open. I did have something happen recently that is disconcerting. My ECM went out on my 2005 Road King and the part is on back order until 3/24 because it’s been “planned obsolete”. They aren’t gonna worry about making/stocking some parts anymore for their older bikes. It’s kinda deceptive to market the history of a product but not even back up bikes that aren’t even 20 years old.. I found the part on eBay and got her fixed but that is worrisome. Still have loved all 6 Harleys I’ve owned over the years. Lots of independent shops and aftermarket parts manufacturers are gonna do well w Harley’s neglect of their customers.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Yeah that's an interesting problem, is it the dealer or HD the company themselves?

[@johnasbury9915]

@@OldNotDead-Club it’s the company itself, I think they’re trying to reduce costs by not stocking “older” bike parts… their older and my older are totally different. I’d understand not stocking 45 yo bike parts but a 2005 isn’t that old. It’s the last gen motor they made not 3 generations past… just is gonna make keeping her on the road a little tougher but she’s worth it. I’ve never had anything like this happen before on any of the 6 Harleys I’ve owned so hopefully this was an anomaly. She only had 3200 miles on her so she isn’t even broken in well yet…I’ll Fix that! 😁

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@johnasbury9915 I agree, it seems to be a problem that extends beyond Harley's as the world readjusts manufacturing to alternate countries.

[@johnasbury9915]

@@OldNotDead-Club it’s gonna open up a whole new world for aftermarket parts makers and independent shops that can and will work on our “not so old” bikes..

[@kuriheka]

My dealership won't work on mine as it is a 2006 Softtail Delux. I found another great private shop who more than has my back. The will come get me anywhere in my state if I break down.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Wow that's a pretty good deal. Yep I have heard plenty of shops wont work on older bikes, i guess they all have too much business now lol.

[@Jonathan-L]

I consider my Harley affordable to own. I get 2 services done a year (3 oils, filter, spark plugs, clutch cable adjustment, all done by a HD trained independent mechanic with all the right tools & know how), which costs me $330 each service. I spend NOTHING on chain lube and valve clearance adjustments. Insurance is about $1.20 a day, which is pretty reasonable considering the insured value of the bike and what repairs could potentially cost. I bought the bike used, which had some nice aftermarket bits already on it (a big thanks to the original owner for being so considerate) and the bike is probably worth the same as what I paid for it after 2 years of owning it. You get the idea. Of course, none of what I just said would make sense to my wife.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Lol, I agree

[@kuriheka]

I agree I just got my new to me bike with only 10,000 but every bit of accessory you can imagine. He did not ride just dressed it up. Winner for me.

[@Jonathan-L]

@@kuriheka And if your bike gives you ongoing grin factor, then the purchase price is soon forgotten.

[@abettermankind9761]

@@Jonathan-L Well said mate... It's all about the smile on the dial.

[@jasong546]

Late to the channel but I just started my Harley life a couple years ago in Florida. I have had nothing but great experiences with family owned Harley dealership here, they have done everything they can with both my motorcycles to give me the best deals and service they can, and you can tell if you have looked around and researched the bikes and service prices beforehand. I think your point about angry people telling the world that Harley stinks is right on, and that doesn’t represent the reality well. I think a lot of people really trash them online and aren’t even interested in getting one. Maybe never actually owned one. They just like to go on the internet and complain. I love my Road Glide girls bike lol, I loved my Electra Glide that was much older, and they have really improved their products so I don’t see much to complain about.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you. You are 200% correct in your comments. Many of us only have good experiences.

[@mikegreendale6936]

Well said , brought me back to center . Thank you

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much

[@mangogray5929]

If you smile the world smiles with you

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Very true, thank you

[@robbyclark6915]

Freezing cold in Australia and smoldering hot 🔥 here in Tulsa Oklahoma! I’ve only been riding for two years now but I’ve only ridden Harley Davidsons. I’m on my second one now and have had only good experiences with my dealership. Excellent as a matter of fact. We have two dealerships here in town and both are great to deal with. I’ve purchased both my bikes from one dealership but have purchased multiple parts and accessories from both. I’ve never been charged anything beyond what was normal and reasonable or been “ripped off” in any way whatsoever. I’ve actually got some pretty good deals from them form time to time. I understand they charge a lot for labor and such but they gotta make money just like everyone else. Maybe we’re just lucky, or I am, but I’ve only had good experiences at our local Harley dealerships here.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Hey that's great to hear - and welcome to the world of motorcycles.

[@StephenRCar]

Just came across these two vids. Your point about business and how businesses work hard, take all the risk and should get sometghing out of it or else they won't. As tot why there might be some who complain when someone makes a buck is pure and simple envy. most people instead of buckling down prefer to complain about someone else's good and well-earned forgtune. The positive side of life is recognizing the good fortune you have had for the work you've done at life means, you are going enjoy what you do with what you've got. Wingiung (great word) means you are cheating yourself out of what good fortunes you might have garnered from what you purchased. I waited myb whole life for the Harley. I have been blessed beyond measure with nearly 50,000 miles in the saddle and have been able to ride a variety of bikes the latest b eing my Softail Slim. The dealerhip and I are in a long-term relatiionship and we trust each other besides. Thanks for your post. best wishes for the miles ahead. G'day mate. (another great phrase whic I use eventhough I'm in no way an Aussie.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks Stephen, I agree with you and I'm glad to see someone operating on the positive side of life. Hope you subscribed and I look forward to providing you with some great video viewing in the future

[@janzenwalter]

You reap what you sow‼️👍🙏

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you, wise words and often true.

[@dennisinglis5500]

Will always Watch, Old Not Dead

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you that's much appreciated

[@tex9280]

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[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you, i will look into it

[@sammy2840]

Will NEVER OWN A Harley! More of my GoldWing was made in America than a Harley! Quality is WAY better as is the performance! Former Yuppies put a doo rag on and they are all of a sudden, “toughs”! I don’t think so girls!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Come on us girls are cool

[@williamjohnson6517]

I think the main bug bear is Harley-Davidson knows you've managed to attain that premium product nobody Minds paying reasonable costs for services and accessories but they get greedy and compared to the aftermarket are substantially more. Example some accessories are nowhere near as good a quality as the ones that you can get from the aftermarket because some of the Harley-Davidson official stuff is made in China and places like that. Also like you stated you like to think that if you take it to an official Harley dealer for a service that these people are trained but I've personally come across some dealerships that not only had an attitude but their mechanics weren't all that ,I had one that rung off the bolt that attached my transmission lever arm to the spline and had to take it elsewhere to an independent no less to get it fixed.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks I agree, I guess that mechanic issue can happen anywhere - i have also had this happen with cars

[@CarlDWardJr]

🤠 Thanks mate good dinkum!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

No problem 👍

[@Skulldaddy-nm5ip]

Howdy from Texas!!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

A big hello to you too. I hope you enjoy the channel

[@stevebohme7939]

Bonus tip ❤

[@OldNotDead-Club]

thanks

[@peterconnell3162]

I don’t find any difference in the costs between my Harley Davidson and BMW motorcycle dealers, but I have found a difference in how different Harley dealers manage warranty claims. Purely my experience. Generally, if you are a member of a HOG club you will get a discount on parts in my part of Europe. Both my local dealers give 20% on Harley OEM parts and clothing and 10% on non Harley items. It’s not cheap, and as a Harley owner you will buy a lot of accessories!, but its part of the ownership experience.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comments - i have found similar

[@jorgemejias5960]

Well said brotha

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much

[@ShmEric]

On earth as it is in Heaven ✌✝️💜 I am always thinking positive the best I can. Absolutely everything good or not so good is a blessing. Thanks for being you

[@dennisinglis5500]

Yes i Believe that

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for watching

[@harveyg845]

A great video, I enjoyed your take on the topics. I think most people can only draw from the experiences they have, a first-time buyer like myself will likely have tighter tolerances than a more experienced buyer such as yours-self. I love my bike wouldn't trade it... at least not yet, but if I did, I would still go HD.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you very much - what sort of bike do you ride?

[@harveyg845]

@@OldNotDead-Club 2020 sportster bought 2021 with 7 miles on it, now has 12,000 miles.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Nice!

[@harveyg845]

@@OldNotDead-Club I like it a lot, I can't see me ever giving it up, but I can see me buying a bigger bike for taking trips on.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

The bigger bikes are a lot more comfortable on the open road

[@Chubbychonies]

Good stuff a

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks

[@timbarnett3898]

I was at original home an bought battery from dealer I bought my Harley from. But when I got home battery wouldn't keep a charge. I called original dealer, where I bought battery, asked if they could help me.( I didn't want to drive through states for battery) Dealer call me back telling me they had made a deal with my local Harley dealer to exchange battery. Original dealer sent a Harley T-shirt to my local dealer for helping me. But my local dealer said, "F#k off", an kept T-shirt. Same dealer had a weekend sale. Sold me set of tires, but paperwork had his weekend deal costing more than dealer sales guide. I knew cost an called him out for cheating me. On same weekends people would come up to me an ask if I knew these bikes, dressed way I was? Could you show us some bikes? Joe, salesman is really nice guy! We don't want to talk to salesman, we want to talk to real biker. Being math teacher I like number an have studies accessories yearly manuals, could add up accessories an give my judgement on what type of riding they wanted. Finally I sold 6 bikes but got same "F" "Y" response from owner. So I never talked to people interested in bikes anymore. My home town Harley had weekend sale on hot summer day in Gladstone Oregon. Harley owner also owns McDonald's next door. While walking in Harley door greeter girl says she's really hot! You certainly are, I say! She laughs, no, I ment the weather! So I bought her ice cream at owners McD. Owner cones up too me an bans me from his Harley shop. So, I show him the $77,000 I have in my checkbook, walk out the door. Drive too closest Harley dealer an pay cash for 100 anniv Dyna! I go into Walmart next to Harley shop. Women an group of men come up to me ask if I like that Harley shop. These riders are members of famous biker drill team, telling me too stay away from that shop. Then I go through battery problems, kept T-shirts an 6 sales I got shafted on! Preachers seem to not like me either! Problem Harley having with dealers is home office requirements for huge building, millions of sq footage. Huge stockpiles of bikes, all costing huge money chasing out family dealer for huge corporate ownerships.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks

[@timbarnett3898]

Your welcome! I won't make it so long next time so you don't have to be so impressed!

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@timbarnett3898 lol, i would just space it better.

[@timbarnett3898]

Helping my spacing: I got screwed by Harley shop over battery, T-shirt, an sales on bikes. (How's that for shortening content?)

[@johncoghlan3190]

Its the employees that rip you off

[@OldNotDead-Club]

I'm fortunate to have only had positive experiences

[@wooddawg4868]

I say if your not smart and know what’s up with what you want BEFORE YOU GET THERE, yes they will try to rip you. Any work you do to your bike let the dealership do it so you can hold them responsible. Also any work done to your bike at the dealer KEEP ANY PARTS THAT COME OFF YOUR BIKE.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thank you. There are many honest dealers and independents who would never rip any customers off... and yes I would keep all the parts that have been replaced.

[@scottlin777]

If you order Harley parts from another my local dealer won't even put them on. They want you to order your parts through them. not sure why.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, but I haven't heard that one before?

[@invinciblevettel5]

If they're genuine new harley parts they can't refuse. You're being scammed by your HD dealer. Time for a change my dude.

[@hondanut7564]

I think most of the HD parts are competitive on price etc. Like my Hammock seat was actually cheaper than a saddleman road sofa, but Next year will be interesting for HD in Australia , in regards to our economy tightening up . HD charging made in USA money , for a breakout made in thailand now , personally I would not pay that, on principal , when they are not passing on thai labour savings, to their loyal customers . Would you ??

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for the comments. I purchased my last bike second hand because i could. I just buy what I want (first priority) and then try and get the best deal i can.

[@hondanut7564]

@@OldNotDead-Club even if it was made in Thailand for the same $

[@OldNotDead-Club]

well the issue is.. lets say you want (for whatever reason ) one of the latest ST bikes. You prob won't find one second hand yet - so if you really want it you would have to pay whatever the price is - irrespective of where its made? I just see it as .. do you want one or not? Do you want it now or later etc..

[@mpojr]

l got an idea take a bone stock electra glide which were l live you can get under 20k figures out which add on to do and keep it under say 24 or 23 k and see what you come up with. might surprise us .

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks, but I can't buy a new bike at the moment.

[@mpojr]

I was not very clear l meant Just price it out on paper Let some of your subscribers Do the same.l cant buy a new One eather l can only afford one Not two.l did not realize you Could not get electra glide in Your country.

[@JohnJones-op8uf]

Yes they do..try to rip you off!

[@saddle8bag]

Hello in the comments.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

LOL

[@mpojr]

im talking new electra glide

[@OldNotDead-Club]

we don't have the Electra Glide in Australia - as far as I can see

[@oldhogman]

How old is old I'm 64 is that old?

[@OldNotDead-Club]

You are still young, you have experienced nearly half a life time

[@oldhogman]

@@OldNotDead-Club look at the shorts in my video's at my Dad he's 91.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

@@oldhogman looks like he's going strong too

[@charlesstatkus]

80 here with a 2019 FXLR!

[@Brian36685]

Love your content but this video sound is way too low. I cant hear you. Then when you switch to other videos of riding or whatever its super loud.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Spot on, this was one of my earliest videos, doesn't happen later on in the career

[@user-jc8cc4ch6w]

Harley heaven in Melbourne has to be the worst dealer for Harley's IV come across paid 35 grand in 2012 it ran like a bucket of shit coming up from Geelong they put the wrong pipes on it breather kit it was nothing but trouble

[@johney4484]

If you ride a motorcycle, you should be man enough to work on it yourself. If you take it to the dealer, you can expect to get ripped off. It’s not rocket science to do your own service and repairs. Man up, do it yourself.

[@OldNotDead-Club]

Thanks for your comment - lol, that means some days I'm a man and some days I'm not. Not everyone has the ability or time to do this... but its certainly a money saver.