The Truth About Rotherham Grooming Gangs

[@TJay96]

This video summarises the problem. They stand in solidarity with Muslims agains the right, but never stood in solidarity with the British against grooming gangs. How many Pakistani organisations are there fighting against Grooming Gangs?

[@markgobrien9791]

How does an individual or even a group of citizens stand up against grooming? Isn''t that the job of police?

[@PhilipCooke-j1d]

​@markgobrien9791 yes it is but when the police don't do fk all about and totally ignored our kids then it comes down to the indigenous people to defend our kids.

[@cg6705]

@@markgobrien9791 🔥🔥

[@cg6705]

@PhilipCooke-j1d the majority of your kids are SA by their own why don’t you defend ‘our kids’ against them 🤔, because they look like you ? but they are responsible for 90% of it, don’t take my word it, do your research and use your critical thinking skills (if you have them)

[@TJay96]

@ Exactly, CSE within families is already terrible enough. We can’t be having organised gangs grooming, drugging, trafficking and torturing young at risk girls for years en masse. Organised crime should be easier to find and stamp out than within family abuse. I get you’re trying to come from a good place, but be careful about putting political correctness above tackling a problem

[@sedgieroobets]

Novara is out of touch on this issue and just drives the working class further to the right. Pity.

[@So_Meh]

100% I mean, they are out of touch in general but this one in particular. Also every time he says pogrom I wince. That’s embarrassingly historically illiterate, maybe it’s wishful thinking, or maybe he just doesn’t know what the words means?

[@sedgieroobets]

@So_Meh I like their economic and labour stuff - e.g. with Gary Stevenson and Mick Lynch - but on the r@pe gangs issue they are blinded by ideology.

[@christineoneill316]

Novara ia a muslim media

[@clusivity6586]

The thumbnail “What Really Happened” The title “The Truth About Rotherham Grooming Gangs” This 51 minute video does not mention what happened beyond what the title tells us and is focused on the effect the far right have had on the Rotherham Muslim/Pakistani community. Why mislead us with this title and thumbnail?

[@TimRadnor-vd9jy]

agree: it's a clickbait title - disappointing from Novara Media and takes away from a really interesting, important interview.

[@PaulZeeX]

Mostly agree: This great interview is masked behind a really poor title. Surely there are better click-bait titles (if needed) that would amplify Abrar's voice and actually align with the main solid theme in the content? I suspect someone in the Novara team just watched the intro section before naming and uploading: pity they didn't focus on the far-right violence and small town themes mentioned - or apparently failed to watch the video - and locked in on a poor choice of CSE. Or drop the click-bait and focus on how police lack of community alignment is failing Rotherham. That said, it would be worth making another interview with Abrar taking the background thread of comments in the sections at 8:20 and 13:16 and 17:38 and 42:00 implying that subtle/ inherent racism in the police lead to poor police choices and inaction that led to the gangs length of activity, specific victims being ignored, and unnecessary street violence. Extending that with other specific interviewer questions to get deeper would potentially make a good CSE focused interview.

[@mjhmn]

yes, but we all know what the truth actually is

[@HerrAndreasSkog]

The dude is lying through his teeth. The number of victims were more than a thousand and many were abused by dozens of men, in a minority of a few thousand people in a medium sized town. So without being able to make an exact calculation a very large part of all men from this minority must have been involved in this behaviour. This was not a bombshell. Everyone knew what was going on and noone in this community did sqat all about it. The only bombshell is that there are suddenly consequences. And this guy is blaming absolutely everyone but his own group. Accusing the cops of failing to protect the children... From his own neighbours. And after all that happened the interviewer doesnt question him once. Despicable.

[@malungtvnews]

Yeah the video isn't about what the title says it is about

[@artbysherrie]

The grooming gangs and sexual predators need to be brought to justice, its an absolute blight on our nation as it stands.

[@bestbehave]

Yeah, remember what happened to Saville!

[@catonkatonk]

Aye, that Prince Andrew and his mates need locking up.

[@Naomi-de2ps]

Those 90% indigenous ones need to be caught too as a priority.

[@michellecafe5138]

But this goes for all British or immigrant offenders,

[@smokeythebear6689]

@@michellecafe5138 Remember Charlene Downes. Remember Lucy Lowe. Remember Laura Wilson.

[@finisheseverythi]

Your zealotry for compassion and equality has blinded you to common sense. Wake up

[@So_Meh]

Nice way to phrase it. I’d have put compassion in quotation marks. I’m not sure how genuinely compassionate they are or if genuine compassion can be that selective.

[@markgobrien9791]

What "common sense" are they blind to? Yawn.

[@finisheseverythi]

@@markgobrien9791 either ask a question or don't. Your feigned indifference to the question hardly suggests you would even listen.

[@markgobrien9791]

@ I asked you a question! A simple question in fact: to which "common sense" - your words and hence the quotation marks in the original - are they blind? Do I need to draw picture?

[@So_Meh]

@@finisheseverythi haha exactly! They think it is super clever to pretend they have misunderstood to draw you into some silly conversation where they dance around the truth while cherry picking facts.

[@frusia123]

I'm a leftist, but no offence, I'm "phobic" of Islam too. And I think that all decent people, including those of Muslim backgrounds, should be also. Because it's not a phobia, that fear is well justified.

[@InvincibleSummer-s8p]

You are victim of propaganda then. The left have censored the topic around this. The right have lobbied that this is indicative of the entire Islamic community. Look for the details yourself. Millions of Muslims live in peace and work just like millions of British people do. Does more need to be done in the Muslim community to tackle archaic and monstrous attitudes towards young women. Yes it does. The left continue to censor rather than have an open debate. The right are tarring everybody with the same brush. Which from the perspective of the left is a bigger danger to society. It’s a shitshow and the lines have already been drawn.

[@taliamink5175]

Why do you have a “phobia” of Islam?.

[@Matesa]

​@@taliamink5175 Same question I was about to ask.

[@anonymousperson1771]

​@@taliamink5175 Because it's entire history is nothing but a self-assured divine-right of conquest, oppression, and slavery.

[@anonymousperson1771]

​@@taliamink5175 An entrie unapologetic history of invasion, oppression and slavery. Even Americans feel some guilt for their history.

[@jujutrini8412]

This interview barely touches on what happened with the grooming gangs. Stop lying to people.

[@alexdubois9858]

The police need to be looked into a lot more for guilt around the Rotherham child abuse scandal.

[@heidipeterson4723]

The police could be pimps

[@superflyrico]

Always suspicious when they use the excuse “we don’t want to be seen to be racist”… it’s never stopped any Police force in this country, so why would they fear this… also no organised crime can happen without senior Police knowledge… the fact that senior officials are still to this day involved in CSE says it all really. Stoking racial tensions is just a smoke screen to protect the powerful Saville level elite predators. Media keep supporting the racial grooming gangs excuse and letting the top tier of CSE in Britain go unchallenged.

[@stuc3195]

​@heidipeterson4723 well in some cases they actually delivered the girls back to their abusers, and / or allowed these men to continue on their journeys with the girls in the car after being stopped by police So yea, some of them were as good as pimps

[@stookful]

The streets of Rotherham are run by criminal gangs and corrupt cops.

[@rozalynanderson8387]

No real discussion about the CSE?

[@omelihu]

I've watched the first 20 mins of this video and I don't understand the relevance to the title. Not watching anymore

[@charliemctruth]

I'm staying to the end.

[@sedgieroobets]

Same here. Completely misses the point regarding the colossal problem of the grooming gangs.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

This is also about poverty and class. The victimised young girls were not helped by the white community - one of them reported being called a "little slag" by a white police officer when she went to beg - not ask, beg - for help. Imagine if Pakistani taxi drivers had targeted 11 and 12 year old girls from a local private school. I think they'd have been nicked in very quick time, don't you?

[@feulholeclos9807]

That's a very good point

[@danvey2560]

@@oldishandwoke-ish1181 true but it was mainly about political correctness and avoiding being accused of racism for investigating Muslims (a protected class). Also to avoid creating racial tensions.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

@@danvey2560 That too. Horrifically ridiculous, and didn't the avoiding racial tensions bit work out well? Again, it shows the value placed on white, working class girls, which is none whatsoever 😡😡😡😡

[@gailforce]

​@@oldishandwoke-ish1181down to the same level as non white ones, yes.

[@gailforce]

most of the aggrievement in the UK is about poverty and class. None of the political parties will address it, but they all exploit it. If this labour party do not look out for the actual needs of the working class (not this immigration shite) then the right will just take up more space.

[@wuliwong]

Sorry mate, maybe this video gets better but a pretty awful start. Should probably talk about the topic you claim in the title within the first 5 minutes.

[@jessicamilestone4026]

Every single body whose job it is to protect people, completely screwed up in this case.

[@rogerbennett9641]

And thousands of others too.

[@Pan.Galactic.Gargle.Blaster]

But why did they? Thats the question. The answer is obvious.

[@rogerbennett9641]

@@Pan.Galactic.Gargle.Blaster We are not an independent sovereign state.

[@Musa786-lx2ui]

All 12 declared innocent by 12 white jurors... Accept the truth, get over itv

[@Footballwithvirgs]

This certainly hasn’t aged well

[@vinanddex]

Where is 'the truth about Rotherham grooming gangs'? The title of this video is incorrect. Why did the interviewer not delve deeply into the grooming and what led to it? Disappointing.

[@LayLoow]

Have a look at lowkey interview with Trt, his given a good look into it

[@diagorasofmel0s]

probably is a well documented topic. since it happened years ago.

[@LayLoow]

@@diagorasofmel0s Yea, lot of things get documented, it’s called records, stats and information It’s easy to just go along with the herd but sometimes not being lazy and looking for the truth it sets you free from prejudices and perception

[@stuc3195]

@vinanddex the title is to imply there's another side to the story on grooming gangs. There isn't. It was simply a sick and twisted shameful period in our modern history

[@anfomhar1045]

Indeed

[@adronias]

Muslims most affected lol

[@SFRZRD]

Half English half Pakistani person here, I’m sorry but there is an issue with that stuff in the Pakistani community, not Islam itself, look up Bacha Bazi, there is a cultural element to this, mainly centred on Pakistan and Afghanistan, and on top of that, there is absolutely an issue of silence in the community. Dancing around this issue only means we’ll see more riots.

[@moratgurgeh]

Mate you would be a better representative of the community than this guy. We all have our own shit that we need to face up to.

[@SFRZRD]

@@moratgurgeh not gonna lie to you pal, I had enough of it all and left the UK in 2021 - I now live in Brazil studying. Living as a person racially between two hostile cultures really took its toll on me, so at age 27 I left, to a country which is basically all racially mixed and I couldn’t be happier. I agree with you though, someone needs to stand up, very, very fast.

[@ln6593]

Bacha Bazi relates to men abusing boys but not girls. But I see your point.

[@SFRZRD]

@@ln6593 indeed, but it still echoes the larger point that crimes against minors don't hold the same cultural taboo as they do with western cultures

[@scythermantis]

I hear you but there is a LOT of child abuse coverups among: Catholics Evangelical Protestants Mormons Jews etc. in the United States... And the stereotypical 'paedo' is, well, a middle-aged balding White guy! (And don't get me started on the Sex Tourism epidemic) So maybe in the interest of fairness, we ought to just leave ethnicity and religion out of this and not make sweeping generalisations, for ANYONE.

[@angusmckenzie9622]

Disgraceful video, if Novara had any decency, it'd take it down immediately. "So called" grooming gangs ? There's the early giveaway. This Javid verges on monsterism, cloaking himself in his good fortune in being born in England but clearly having little loyalty or association, slandering the rightfully outraged as "racist" and "far right". Where is his condemnation of his fathers and unkles ? Is he or his 'Association" offering any sympathy, let alone compensation, to and for these children ?

[@Iamharryparker]

Is this truly an exposé on grooming gangs, as the title suggests, or is it, in reality, a documentary aimed at scrutinising the far-right? It seems that the issue of predominantly Pakistani grooming gangs and the systemic failures of the authorities to address or expose them is an uncomfortable truth for Novara. Rather than confronting this deeply troubling reality and being a voice for the victims, you appear to want to almost desperately shift the focus toward an endless vilification of the right.

[@ddk567t]

I had no idea an elderly Muslim man (Mushin Ahmed) was beaten to death in Rotherham some years ago.

[@smokeythebear6689]

Remember Charlene Downes. Remember Lucy Lowe. Remember Laura Wilson.

[@tonym3309]

At about ten minutes in he acknowledges the scale of the abuse then immediately condemns the failure of the police, social services and council. Not a word about the Pakistani men he is representing. His lack of self-awareness is staggering.

[@abrarjavid8152]

I stated facts from the JAY report 2014 regarding the police and social services. As far as Pakistani men are concerned I'm.not their representative just as much imm sure you don't represent all English men. I condemn all.sexual abuse against children whoever the perpetrator is.

[@zafar0132]

Representing??! he wasnt their solicitor or representative. I dont see you standing up and "representing" white CSE perpetrators.

[@JohnJones-k9d]

@@abrarjavid8152but Muslims covered it up then claim racism as soon as it comes out.

[@hengis73]

I think the title set a particular expectation. Glad you responded

[@obriens456]

They are victims. 😂😂

[@mach-symroscisawski1560]

this man is shameless

[@andrewjoyner4133]

Yeah do I really need to watch this. Sounds like it is going to be somewhere along the lines of 'Well white people commit crimes as well' and we're the real victims' bla bla and the usualy excuses.

[@Naomi-de2ps]

He is a man of honour. It takes one to know one though.

[@JohnJones-k9d]

@@Naomi-de2psnope he’s a race baiter, ignoring the racist and woman hating views of his reliogn.

[@obriens456]

Playing victim

[@Livingrentfreeinyomind77]

This is not about the grooming gangs????!

[@matteroff]

With a muslim police chief that didn't help the problem. At all !.

[@malungtvnews]

A Muslim justice did though

[@donnalynes2804]

so how is it that this sexual exploitation went on for 20 years or more. he's a level headed guy but he/interviewer lost the poin of the interview.

[@markdenton8027]

This is just propaganda and the title was added as an afterthought

[@shakilakhan7718]

Ask the authorities that question perhaps ?

[@TimRadnor-vd9jy]

@@markdenton8027 propaganda? Did you watch the interview?

[@lotus7eater]

There's a short video from the girls' point of view. "Rotherham abuse scandal report: 'We were ignored and this was covered up' says Samantha Woodhouse". Other videos can be found of Mark Steyn interviewing Samantha Woodhouse.

[@ChavvyCommunist]

There's several such interviews across the mainstream media. Google is free.

[@riverdeep399]

Thank you.

[@larallewellyn2776]

​@@ChavvyCommunist 'the mainstream media' didn't protect those children when it mattered. Neither did judicial nor political institutions....

[@DC3Refom]

this reporter is playing dwn 🍇, abuse of uyrdn and ia a nuance , how dare you diagustibg ratbg

[@Feelingawesome0]

Trying to downplay the systematic torture and abuse of hundreds of thousands of girls is unforgiveable. Absolutely beyond disgusting. And to attack and label all those affected as far right edl as well. What a disgusting human being.

[@leedawson1146]

Well said

[@gailforce]

Hundreds of thousands of girls?

[@leedawson1146]

@@gailforce the Jay report said 1.400. I wonder if this neoliberal reporter tried speaking to her? I bet a pound to a penny he didn't because it doesnt fit his warped narrative

[@zafar0132]

You must have been watching a different interview, he wasn't downplaying anything. In fact he didn't even mention the details of the crimes themselves as he was not even involved.

[@Feelingawesome0]

@@zafar0132 Ignoring Is an extreme version of downplaying. Especially seeing as the video is entitled "what really happened".

[@Jesuslovesus599]

The so called grooming gengs were just that,not so called .it was very widespread and similar gangs existed or exist in various towns in thr country eg Newcastle and Luton.- a fact most sexual abuse is in the home ,we cannot deny this phenomena .by doing so we don’t protect children or help thr Pakistani community

[@kodybreakell7145]

These problems exist but making it out to be a Muslim or Pakistani issue is the problem

[@alien4422]

@@kodybreakell7145 No it's not!

[@Conquest_icon]

​​@@alien4422does that mean I can call all white Baptist groups white supremacist because the KKK, are majority White Baptist Christians?

[@LayLoow]

@@alien4422go check lowkey interview with Trt you’ll be surprised

[@stuc3195]

​@@kodybreakell7145but it is an issue in that community. Just look at the cases that have been prosecuted.

[@busterbuster1641]

Interesting, but he didn't actually address the title of the video.

[@doyle6000]

true

[@dec3142]

He does about 43 minutes into the vid.

[@riverdeep399]

Thank you. You've saved me another painful 40 minutes.

[@morganflack7542]

For quite a long time now youtubers have picked very specific titles and ways of presenting things in order to get the most traffic possible, engagement and all that; the Right mastered this very quickly to the lefts deteriment. In the last few years the left have been doing the same to kick back most notably Owen Jones does it. He uses very specific language on how he titles his videos and even how he presents information in them. The choice of title is an example of this. Anyway, he totally did address it, did you watch and pay attention to any the video at all?

[@daxb19]

At 35 mins, I was getting to the point of saying the same as OP, ideally I’ll be enlightened in the next 15mins.

[@stevebuczynski2756]

I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself for this video, but I also know that people like you don't feel that emotion.

[@Pudelek2025]

Yeah, you are not seeing the problem ... Such a disappointment Novara, unsubscribing and not watching anymore

[@GregOrCreg]

Where I disagree with Abrar is that there was a systemic failure to do anything about the Rochdale grooming gang. That's why it became so controversial. Not necessarily because the perpetrators were Pakistani. That was a later narrative that developed from the failure of the police, social services and local council to do anything. That's NOT the fault of the entire Pakistani community. That's on the aforementioned services, but some people then ask "Why didn't those services act sooner?" That's also why some people want full transparency when a knife attack has been reported. The Rochdale grooming scandal has made some of them suspicious that the services aren't doing their job. That's why you end up with 'two tier policing' myths. A lot of the initial failures in Rochdale emerged from the unwillingness of the police to believe working-class girls from chaotic and dysfunctional families. Once again, that's NOT a failure of the left or Pakistani society as a whole. But there were also some claims that the council failed to act on allegations because they didn't want to cause a rift with local minority communities. If that is remotely true, then that's where the identities of the perpetrators does become relevant, because it means some people were loathe to do anything about these men for fear of being accused of systemic racism. That's where the left and even members of the Pakistani community have to be helpful and leave off from making any accusations of 'racism', in order to avoid hindering an investigation, because, guess what? If racism is as bad as we all say it is (and it is), that's precisely why no-one wants to be wrongly accused of racism. You can't say as some leftists have done that "racism is worse than being accused of racism". If racism is bad, and it is, then it's clearly bad to be accused of it.

[@MerlynMusicman]

I've always felt that the simplest explanation was that some police were in cahoots with the gangs.

[@davidackroyd52]

That's a great comment. If any of the council workers or police staff received Equality and Diversity Training in the early 2000s then they would have been subject to essentially cultural relativity training, and encouraged not to question or challenge. I left the Equality and Diversity training industry quickly.

[@malungtvnews]

​@@davidackroyd52can you expand on your experiences some more? What went wrong there?

[@zafar0132]

listen, if authorities are afraid to upset sensibilities for fear of being stigmatised as a racist, or fear repercussions around privacy or whatever else, under normal circumstances it might seem reasonable, but we are talking about child endangerment here. most people would risk their lives if they thought a child was in danger... its just different. There really is no excuses, police and local authorities should have done and should be doing more.

[@malungtvnews]

@@zafar0132 I dont think anyone is making excuses for them. Policing is a lot worse elsewhere, but here they have been awful all round for years. Driven by headlines instead of issues, as this dude says driving opposing groups together to arrange confrontations, again for media, lying, false arrests where they know they will have to pay out compensation after years of tedious counrt cases, and what happened to Sarah Wilkinson the other day is seriously disturbing, throwing her mums ashes around the place and stamping on them. I mean what the fuk?

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

It is absolutely necessary to focus on the funding of the creation and maintenance of the EDL. Organisations such as the EDL cannot function without outside funding and promotion. Always follow the money to know the truth.

[@riverdeep399]

Funding? For what? I thought they weren't a thing anymore? I thought it was football louts?

[@astronautist4716]

Israel

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

@JustAUsername-i5l Also the David Horowitz Foundation.

[@alexsaxton9484]

EDL disbanded in 2014…

[@jungbolosse3034]

EDL is JDL

[@margaretgreenwood4243]

Both communities MUST communicate with each other more in every way possible

[@moratgurgeh]

I have sympathy with this guy on a number of levels, but as a "representative of the Muslim community" of Rotherham it didn't feel like he spent so much as a second actually acknowledging the widespread abuses members of that community perpetrated against children. Yes it is fine to point out that you have been victimised, and it is fair to attack local authorities, but not even acknowledging the problem within the community you represent once in a 50 minute video? Startling lack of humility. You just point the finger everywhere other than at your own community, amongst whom this behaviour was wildly out of proportion.

[@ChavvyCommunist]

Did the entire community abuse those kids? Do you think the average Rotherham Pakistani wants men from their own community out abusing their own kids? Honestly this is just "I'm not racist but" in way more words.

[@glasp-q8n]

On what basis do you say that 'it was wildly out of proportion'? A minuscule number of people were involved compared to the Muslim population of Rotherham.

[@Madmarkhor]

U thinking Pakistani are over represented in csa is where ur issue begins

[@thegoat11111]

They never do and people see this and make their own judgements.

[@moratgurgeh]

@@glasp-q8n There are about 110,000 people in Rotherham. 10% Muslim, = 11,000 Muslims. 60 convictions to date, = prevalence of 0.5%. This is far higher than in the general population. Bear in mind the latest statistics have only around 8,000 people in the ENTIRE COUNTRY currently imprisoned for this kind of offense. I am not saying this is replicated across the country, I am saying that in the Muslim community of Rotherham specifically it was absolutely rife and we can't just sweep that under the rug (as has been attempted here).

[@MegaZayd1]

Itd be helpful if novara or someone credible made a documentary about the rotheram grooming scandal

[@bestbehave]

@JustAUsername-i5l I think that's the point. Most people don't have teh time/patience/ability to filter through HO reports. That's wh yjournalism, when done well, ios so important

[@Suzanne-x3u]

The title is misleading

[@RonOutdoors]

Community leaders should be coming out in condemnation of the groomers. This would take the wind out of the sales of the protesters and join the diverse community with one cause defending the innocent.

[@GregOrCreg]

It would help. There needed to be inclusive marches following the grooming scandals that didn't discriminate on the basis of religion or race, but simply demonstrated a united front against grooming gangs, and stood with any government agency that investigates them and holds them to account.

[@Chonobataar]

They did, but it was not covered by the media as usual.

[@GregOrCreg]

@@Thebaldocelot Agreed. I don't want to see Muslims and South Asians stigmatised and obliged to speak for something that's (1) perpetrated by people of all religions and races and (2) is only perpetrated by a minority of Muslims and South Asians, but the Rochdale grooming scandal was so disturbing, mostly because the authorities failed to do anything for so long, that it would be in every communities' interests to openly display their outrage and contempt for these abuses.

[@malungtvnews]

​@Chonobataar do you know what the community did about it?

[@zafar0132]

Were you watching the same interview I was? he condemned the behaviour as criminal several times in the interview

[@Dcypha77]

It's a clever linguistic trick to use the acronym CSE to try and minimise the horrors of what happened : Gang rapes, murders, kidnapping and torture by a sizeable percentage of one particular community that stuck together and refused to help those victims.

[@gordonstrong5232]

CSE sounds horrific, how does it minimize those horrors? CSE actually sounds way worse than 'grooming gang'.

[@Dcypha77]

In some cases they were litterally tortured and kept in cages and forced to eat dog food.whikst being gang raped by huge numbers of the Pakistani community every day. How does the anagram CSE convey such horrors. It would be better if they used the full term Child Secual Explotation but instead they mention it a couple of times and then just refer to it in the more abstracted term after that. At no point does he even admit that thr community bears any responsibility. They want to stick together in defending their community but never when it comes to accountability for heinous crimes that a great many of them would have been aware of.

[@stuc3195]

This is the first time I've seen an attempt to whitewash the Rotherham grooming gang scandal. But this is standard practice these days. Over the coming years and decades the horrors will be watered down, and conflated, and twisted and so in 20-30 years time it will probably be reported as something completely different

[@vibesverily]

*acronym

[@vibesverily]

​@@gordonstrong5232 i assume they mean the choice to literally say "c-s-e" instead of "child sexual exploitation". grooming gang and cse arent interchangeable anyways though so your comment makes no sense. cse is to child sexual exploitation as grooming gang is to "rape gang"

[@suzyverhamme]

Misleading Title !! no real discussion on Grooming Gangs ,disappointing Novara Media

[@rustynail1194]

I work with loads of great Muslims in the NHS. WE COULD NOT run the hospital without you. Thank you for your service.

[@lsd1649]

Why? Because other groups couldn't do their job? Pretty racist opinion.

[@muhammedaleem882]

​@@lsd1649muslims aren't a race

[@mousaka878]

Many of my neighbours are great Muslims - but there are bad people in every community… if you want to erase the truth of what happened then so be it … You are the only judge of your own actions …

[@ebakindeji5941]

​@@lsd1649How is what the op said racist when you lot are the ones always that Islam is a religion not a race?.

[@see6052]

​@@lsd1649white Anglo saxons just aren't stepping up to do those jobs. There's millions of WASPS out there not working, either unemployed or just choosing not to work at all. Yet there are hundreds of thousands of vacancies in the NHS.

[@mousaka878]

The perpetrators in the grooming gangs were more like ‘far - right’ racists , fascists … How many Muslim girls were raped ??? If there were none or even minimal that makes all the perpetrators racist ? Much of the stuff he talks about is the inevitable backlash … What would the interviewee do in response to his daughter’s, nieces being raped by a gang … I would love to know !!!

[@anfomhar1045]

Glad someone else pointed this out. Sometimes Novara's hypocrisy and lack of basic morality is truly breathtaking

[@mousaka878]

I agree - most of my general views are left … but I have seen where I live change beyond recognition in my lifetime … and not for the better !!! Does that last sentence make me ‘far - right’ ??? Perhaps NM could tell me and I will sadly unsubscribe !!!

[@MrRailjunkie]

@@mousaka878 Not if you are blaming the people responsible.

[@JessieAllen-r6m]

What baffles me is how dysfunctional the western societies have become. What kind of parents and guards allowed this to take place?

[@rozalynanderson8387]

@@mousaka878 crimes such as those would be hidden amongst the community and girls too ashamed to report?

[@paullambert8183]

What’s this video got to do with grooming gangs?

[@linmorell1813]

Title is click bait

[@M2Mil7er]

Welcome to the internet. Enjoy your stay!

[@hengis73]

Although it was a poor clickbait title, we do need to here the voice of the moderate more often

[@zizuette]

The truth is that there are grooming gangs everywhere in every country in every level of society. But, in the UK, there evidently is a particular issue within certain Asian communities which has been allowed to proliferate.. Why?

[@JessieAllen-r6m]

Possibly on purpose.

[@Musa786-lx2ui]

They just want the muslim to be hated everywhere

[@Crusty666]

Distract attention from what white grooming gangs like the Royals, Police, Church, Local Authorities, Charities etc did in the seventies and eighties. Still happens now, but they point the finger at the nearest scapegoat.

[@zafar0132]

Based on what statistical studies exactly are your assertion that it is "a particular issue with certain Asian communities"?

[@zizuette]

@@zafar0132 I don't have any statistics, I have eyes. I am of West Indian origin and I acknowledge that there is an issue with knife crime in my community. In answer to my own question, I think the reason the cops turn a blind eye is a) plain negligence: they just want an easy life/can't be bothered and b) misogyny: they look down on the girls/think they deserve to be treated like meat.

[@matthewcoombs3282]

Are you going to interview any of the girls abused. No I thought not......

[@GregOrCreg]

I suspect many of them won't want to be interviewed, although I could be wrong. I think it's definitely worth speaking to them but what angle are you looking for? Most media, left and right, is, unfortunately, narrative-based. This isn't a documentary channel per se. It isn't concerned simply with reporting cold objective facts. A lot of its intent is to challenge right-wing or mainstream narratives, so, how would such a hypothetical interview with these girls do that?

[@GregOrCreg]

@@CardinalNous Do you think *all* white people are to blame for the recent far-right riots?

[@aries6776]

No one cares about the victims, especially not the far-right crusaders.

[@GregOrCreg]

@@aries6776 I care about the victims. I think those victims along with the victims of the recent knife attacks (all girls) have bee forgotten in all the aggro.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@GregOrCreg I'm pretty sure someonewould platform them for the ad revenue. It is strange how none of the victims has sold their story..

[@BrianTrainor-zt1wv]

You are an honest man. Peace be upon you sir

[@SilkyBadger]

The sheer amount of bot comments on here is insane.

[@moratgurgeh]

@@AcademiaFeraz In fairness there have been a number of bots with identical profile pictures making comments that have nothing to do with the video.

[@GregOrCreg]

@@CardinalNous TBF, this is a left-wing channel, and, so, most of the people watching the video will have a bias towards the left, hence, more left-wing commenters. Still, what's good is that there is a diversity of opinion, that we all respect one another, and that we try to engage in good faith discussions and disagreements. The nice thing is that although this channel is left-wing, there is a broad range of viewpoints here.

[@klthx-1138]

@@GregOrCreghear hear!

[@woodbinescab]

Wtf is a bot ?

[@ishqm0999]

BOTS HAVE BEEN working overtime since apartheid Israels GENOCIDE IN GAZA...

[@michelegosse7116]

17' 45- same pattern in Sweden, without any grooming or other history...

[@user-fd7gy9zh8x]

Perpetrators have to be held responsible no brainer by the justice system but it is unjust to label and ruin the reputation and lives of an entire culture just because the perpetrators are from a certain background as it would be for people of any colour, race, background. Which is a distortion of the actual reality and reporting.

[@mrsfothergill5115]

Fascinating to hear someone from the Muslim community talk at length about their experiences, underlining how excluded they are from the national dialogue. Shame on the mainstream media, and more interviews like this please!

[@jonquiloconnor987]

This is a totally superb podcast.

[@freyanoor6794]

Child Abuse is an abhorrent crime. Targeting Pakistani's is not the answer and avoids dealing with the crime by perpretators from other groups such as the financial elite etc.

[@antsly]

These were racially motivated child abuse crimes.

[@yazoss]

Absolutely. Just ask the Catholic Church and their complicit cover up of child abuse over the years.

[@antsly]

@@freyanoor6794 It is important to acknowledge that this was racially motivated child abuse. These men did not target girls from their own community they deliberately targeted white girls.

[@hector7187]

Yeah, nothing to see here. ..

[@ColliWobblers-d1b]

Maybe tell them to stop doing it then.

[@SimonBlümer]

Why do so many feel collectively attacked but never collectively responsible?

[@KDROzzz]

Beautiful interview.

[@SkyNet-T-1000]

There is no Overall Muslim community in the UK. You have communities based from different Muslim origin countries; e.g. Pakistani, Indian Muslim, Bangladeshi, Afghani, Somalian, Moroccan, Tunisian, Egyptian, Iraqi, Palestinian, etc the Muslims of different countries have a national identify & they are different

[@sylezjusz]

The population of Rotherham in 2014 was 110,000. 8% of this Asian, so ca. 9,000. Without women and children that's about 3,500 men. 1,400 girls were abused in that town. This is indeed such an upstanding and unjustly vilified community.

[@klthx-1138]

😂

[@Mossaab-kg3cj5hc5s]

Can you speak with English again ?

[@klthx-1138]

Rather than with statistics?

[@Glaiket]

1 in 4 girls EVERYWHERE are abused - Rotherham is less than most areas per capita.

[@oscarromeo812]

Don’t understand your point. Was it 10 men or 30 men or 100 men out of the 3,500?!

[@chrisbinch800]

Have you uploaded the wrong video?

[@tracyharrison9536]

Great interview! Abrar is a fabulous person - kia kaha (stay strong) and much Aroha (love) from New Zealand!!

[@stuartallen8684]

A sensible and reasonable man, giving a thoughtful and balanced account of some aspects of life in his community. I would take issue with only one thing. ‘Allahu Akbar’ can be spoken in quieter tones during prayerful praise (or more loudly/melodically by a Muezzin during the Muslim call to prayer). It can also be shouted loudly (and aggressively) as a war cry (as did the early Muslims when going into battle against the Pagans). The difference is immediately obvious to the ear, and the demeanour to the eye. Please don’t gaslight people in an attempt to disguise this simple truth.

[@syddog44]

My personal memory of when this story broke was that in the news at that time there was a lot of talk of establishment child abuse rings in the highest rungs of power. If you remember there was supposed to be an enquiry about the scandal but it never happened bc "reasons". The story was eventually "debunked" and memory holed never to be brought up again. My thought at the time was it a classic case of don't look at politicians, royalty etc, look at Muslim taxi drivers up North instead?

[@ahussain1235]

100%

[@lotus7eater]

According to Sammy Woodhouse, there's nothing special about Rotherham.

[@johnCollins-u7q]

So what’s ’the truth’ about the grooming gangs?

[@davidxdavis]

I don’t understand how anyone sees the logic in comparing statistics of immigrant abuse with native abuse. If the immigrants weren’t here in the first place the overall abuse would be lower. It’s not ok to give the people that have been given a home in this country a free pass because they statistically abuse less than the native population. Also, if you take into account the numbers of abuse cases based on the demographic size, the Muslim communities have a higher rate of offence per head.

[@Mashalalanazi123]

lies

[@zafar0132]

show some evidence for your assertion then.

[@Bowdon]

I didn't like the start of the video talking about "so called", when talking about real proveable events. Then using the word pogroms, which has a whole history of meaning behind it. It was an attack on a Mosque, distasteful disgraceful etc. But let's not start hyping it up for clout. Normally when people say lets find the real story they talk to the victims. It's obvious you had an agenda with this video. Blame it all on the far right. Shoddy journalism.

[@onepartyroule]

It's dishonest language like that that makes people distrust all media, whether mainstream or alternative, left or right wing. People are sick of the obvious manipulation and dishonesty.

[@Madmarkhor]

It wasn't "a" attack on "a" mosque. It was organised and plan riots throughout English and Northern Irish towns/cities where they know the Muslim population is a minority where they targeted the mosqueS (with an s, plural) of those areas and ethnic minorities through physical, verbal abuse and physical intimidation.

[@moratgurgeh]

You got it perfectly. There's a world of nuance and cautious language in one case, but everyone is a far right racist when the boot's on the other foot. Anti-racism is absolutely right but it doesn't mean unthinkingly acting like some communities are beyond reproach.

[@scythermantis]

When there ARE literally far right people out there attacking businesses, vandalising homes, surrounding mosques, telling people "you're White, you can pass through here", based almost entirely on misinformation, then you need to call it as you see it.

[@scythermantis]

You're setting up a strawman and you must have not even really listened to what he is saying because in the very first couple minutes of the video, he literally addressed that, and no one is saying 'this community is beyond reproach'.

[@anotherhuman33]

Rotherham is not a huge city, I can't believe people didn't know anything about it when thousands of girls were tortured and raped for over a decade.

[@WesleyWattley-xy4fg]

Do yourself justice Novara ⚖️ title's 👎 not correct!! 😮

[@susandellet7121]

I worked in Lincolnshire for the Local Authority whenever we set up conferences on equality or ethnic minorities speakers national agreed to come because of the reputation of the police being distinctly racist

[@profiler4772]

We see what multiculturalism does for our own societies and people are fed up with it. It is unhealthy for any country to advance that stupid left message.

[@PaulZeeX]

Abrar Javid is a rare voice of balance and understanding in a world of increasingly polarised partisan outrage. We need more voices like his. If we're ever going to defuse our growing societal tensions, bridge the growing chasms and make useful change for the better, we need to break tribal thinking and stop outraged spectators becoming fuel for more division.

[@DarkResonance]

One thing all these CSE men, whether white, Pakistani, Christian, or Muslim, conveniently forget to mention is that they have one VERY important thing in common with each other. Take a guess. I already mentioned the word.

[@Thefloristgang4pf]

Men

[@jpurgal]

And we’re back to villainising a wider group of varied individuals rather than focusing specifically on the perpetrators.

[@GordonFlash1983]

Go look at the home office statistics, disproportionate of those convicted of grooming are Muslim, And the more media and government keep burying this anomaly, the more disenfranchised the public will be with the media and the government.

[@Chonobataar]

Yes, and then go look at the 2023 national statistics of sexual assault in the UK... and see that 86% of it originates from White British people.

[@zafar0132]

what home office statistics? at the first part you claim there are some, and in the second you keep claiming the government keep burying this anomaly, so which is it ?

[@Dcypha77]

I really look forward to the follow up interview with the leaders of the indigenous White working class community.

[@Madmarkhor]

The celts?

[@moratgurgeh]

@@Madmarkhor You know most English people are more Celtic than they are Anglo-Saxon.

[@CK-wd3zv]

'indigenous' 🤣

[@andersschmich8600]

Do you consider the Māori indigenous?

[@MrHousey36]

Don't give the Celts a bad name

[@bestbehave]

This is really interesting, but it isn't about teh grooming gangs, or even the police negligence and complicity. It's about the fallout for the local community and the toe hold it gave to the far right Which is important, but not what the title of the film said it was about

[@Lewis-g4h]

The “fAr rIgHt” doesn’t exist

[@hector7187]

The state of pakistan came into existence , because they aint too keen on multi culturalism.... In their native country.

[@Ridz149]

that is an interesting way of putting it tbf

[@harimauindia5775]

Not exactly. It came about as a result of British divide and rule policies that created rifts between Muslims and Hindus, making Muslims feel the need for a separate state. Some Islamic scholars supported the creation while others did not In hindsight it was a bad idea and I say this as an Indian Muslim. We let the colonizer divide us

[@harimauindia5775]

"if you see 2 fish fighting in a river,look for the tracks of a long legged Englishman" native American proverb They did in the Middle East with the Sykes Picot agreement,they did it in Rwanda with the Hutus and Tutsis,they did it in Palestine with Balfour,they did it in Burma with the Rohingyas, they did it in India with Pakistan... And there's probably quite a few I'm missing

[@bilgan509]

Thank you Richard - great interview. Abrar, is amazing this should be compulsory viewing . The way Abrar explains everything, speaks to us all. British born Pakistani Muslim, without any particular political leaning, against divisive measures, showing that the struggle is real, for us all! That we should be coming together as the working class -stronger together. Abrar is an amazing community leader, he has a way of looking at things that bring us all together. A very inspiring example of integration and social unity which is much needed in society today. I hope to see and hear a lot more from Abrar.

[@pauljames8399]

I doubt if the presenter really knows what happened as it's been going on since mid 70s

[@Dcypha77]

47% of social housing in Lonodn is occupied by people born outside the UK.

[@annikafrankenstein]

across England as a whole, 8.6 per cent of new social housing tenants were foreign born

[@woodbinescab]

If you make claims like that you should post a link.

[@hindeshotelra]

Michael Jackson and Elvis were spotted in Skegness Gregs yesterday.

[@alien4422]

@@woodbinescab KZbin would not allow it.

[@woodbinescab]

@@alien4422 London has the largest proportion of migrants among UK regions, with over 40% of its residents born abroad. In 2021/22, almost half of all foreign-born residents in the UK lived in London and the South East.9 Aug 2024 . Migrants have always chosen London as they have family living there 🤷‍♂

[@muncher222]

I respect this content, but I think from an outside perspective that going on for a 30m about far right then saying you dont believe in sides was probably not the ideal way to go about it. However I appreciiate the clarity about the actual demographic of protestors. The actual problem with nearly all narriatives is institutional failure, without transparency and now you have active hostility to any dialogue as the government, media and general discourse has become so poisoned by political rhetoric and polemics. The videos of police conversing respectfully with muslims, crack down on "islamaphobia" (what even is that) and locking up people for social media gaffs is going to see the palace burn id say.

[@mousaka878]

I actually got to like NM for a while … and I agree with many subjects ( including the Middle East ) but this makes me want to vomit … I really don’t know your motives for this type of stuff …

[@moratgurgeh]

It's a desire to be anti-racist which ends up becoming an uncritical, unthinking siding with minorities regardless of what's actually happened in the case in question.

[@scythermantis]

Maybe you should actually listen to what is said with an open mind and deconstruct some of the subconscious biases you have picked up over time...

[@mousaka878]

@@scythermantisI’m fine with my upbringing and morals thanks… I don’t need to analyse myself … nevertheless thanks for your rather arrogant advice …

[@stuc3195]

@mousaka878 it's a first step in conflating grooming gangs with other sick sections of society. Like the far right. It's a way of watering it down. Blending it all into one. Taking responsibility away from the section of society that actually did this and allowed it to happen and sharing that responsibility broadly across us all Yes grooming gangs were bad butwhatabout......

[@Thefloristgang4pf]

@@mousaka878Don’t your upbringing or morals were attacked. Most of us have biases, being aware of that fact doesn’t make a lesser person.

[@richardsalisbury496]

If you talk out bout rape gangs your Far right ,

[@SilverShamrock71]

If individuals don't want to be prejudged as being far-right then they need to start viewing people from other ethnicities as individuals and stop prejudging them

[@eleanor8002]

IMO, your channel does not support an honest and transparent debate.

[@ChrisJ294]

Absolutely disgusting from Novara.

[@SELMONKHAAN]

ALLAH HU AKBAR..... LA ILLAHA ILL ALLAH(THERE IS NO GOD EXCEPT ALLAH) ☪️️☪️️☪️️ 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

[@smokeythebear6689]

Aisha was six.

[@margaretgreenwood4243]

A revelation. Thank you both. The police have a lot to answer for

[@leedawson1146]

WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY TO INTERVIEW THE AUTHOR OF THE JAY REPORT? WHY DIDNT YOU MENTION HER NAME.

[@riverdeep399]

Seems like word salad.

[@primitiveways7183]

Thank you for this interview

[@jackdaniels4368]

This is happening all over the UK.

[@gordonstrong5232]

What is?

[@forestsunset9617]

@@gordonstrong5232 people watching KZbin

[@ololiver92]

Such a weak interview. Immediately unsubcribed

[@charliemctruth]

me too

[@graemecreegan6749]

Of course Novara are apologising for a certain ’community’.

[@soton5teve]

Poor people at the sharp end (labour voters) telling their bosses (tories) what was going on, and their bosses doing nothing.

[@GregOrCreg]

What's the context? If you're referring to the council, the council was Labour-run. I speak as a Labour Party member, voter and supporter, but, let's be honest, the Labour council fucked up.

[@ColliWobblers-d1b]

Factoid........... Pakistan has over 236 Million adherents of Islam. As much as 90% of the population follows Sunni Islam.

[@zahirmulla6715]

Keir starmer is the one that would say there is no evidence especially when he said that about jimmy saville abusing 500 with evidence

[@stookful]

He never said that.

[@zahirmulla6715]

@@stookful he did as he was crown prosecutor

[@Jackie-Fvcking-Chan]

Wow. This is a new low for Novara. Quite a pitiful low, actually. Took me by surprise. Absolutely insane.

[@howareyou857]

​@@CardinalNousnonsense

[@LayLoow]

Ok prince Andrew

[@adi6293]

Do you guys know what a fascist is?

[@cgm4379]

11:32 The marches have to stop but the grooming will continue, essentially. Zero accountability for their part.

[@sharonviolino1723]

Take your anger out on your brothers. Small town all those children harmed shame on you...