The TRUTH About Star Citizen In 2024 | My Honest Review

[@Hav0k]

Today I give my honest thoughts on Star Citizen in 2024. What Star Citizen got right this year, what flopped, and the unfortunate delays that occurred. And ultimately; Is it worth playing? Or is it better to wait for the next big patch. Let me know your thoughts in the comments!

[@Hav0k]

@DermotBrophy Pre-production usually involves the creation of ideas and concepts. There is no general game development. A lot of that began in 2012, but didn't really start until 2013. Squadron 42 first began as the main focus, with Star Citizen being a small multiplayer game. Now, it's evolved as a full MMO. The reason Squadron 42 is no longer included with Star Citizen is due to legal reasons on the EU. They're not allowed to sell a game that is not released that doesn't have a release date. So Squadron 42 was removed from the store. Yes, the project evolved with the amount of money the game obtained due to popularity and a Grey market did ensue. I've been here since the project began. The game has been mired by controversy in many ways, and a lot of poor decisions have been made. The biggest reason I returned is because they have been steadily improving.

[@ReformedRabbit]

That’s like asking if buying a car with no radio, stuttering engine, no a/c, badly needing a tune up, half working starter and fuel pump , and tires with little to no tread which you’ll have to leave at a mechanic who will take 40 years to fix the fuel pump is worth it. If you’re lucky the car can go to you great great great grandkids long after your death.

[@deheinrich4785]

You put it really well!

[@LK32019]

Pretty good analogy considering the car you described is a track/rally car. A car designed not for everyone and their grandmas but for a certain person wanting a certain experience. Star citizen is a for a certain group of players who want a certain experience, instead of catering to the masses

[@GRS4HlK2]

@@LK32019 "players", "game"... . That's a good one... 😂.

[@philipsavage4396]

Fans of this game are in an abusive relationship

[@jujunu8515]

Stockholm syndrom

[@donnys2965]

Backed in 2017. Got my F7A and I havent ttouched the game since. Then I wake up one day to hear my $330 Usd Redeemer got gutted. Great........ I have no reason to come back till pyro...

[@user-hq9fp8sm8f]

your F7A will get gutted too

[@Hav0k]

To be fair, some ships need to be adjusted. But I think there should be more buffs for the ship's that are weak, rather than just nerfing certain ships.

[@donnys2965]

@@Hav0k the shield changes I can see but the turret changes hit me hard

[@donnys2965]

@@user-hq9fp8sm8f yup, meet a fool

[@Hav0k]

@@donnys2965 that's unfortunate. Turret health is one of those things I thought were already pretty low. But I haven't really used the Redeemer much

[@alandab]

I'm just tiered of CIG's lies and cash grabs. I'm done putting money into this game.

[@darkninja6658]

i agree played 3.23 for a few weeks had some fun then boredom set in again also character customization is the least of my concerns now havnt bought any of the lazy reskin ships cough sabre perigrin havnt been on since 3.23.1 patch

[@starwarized]

I put 50€ for a 300i pack almost 10 years ago, and I never spent any more. I expect a full game for the price of a full game, and if they don't deliver, it's not my problem or my fault. I might consider spending more once we get a playable and functional game instead of an unplayable mess

[@aka3913]

Havok, appreciate the videos. Great balanced content. Thanks brother.

[@Hav0k]

Any time! Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@TheStumafoo]

It's worth logging in checking new content, but not enough meat on the bone yet!! but ill wait!!

[@matuto1986]

Same. Still it's sad to login and see that the bugs you reported years ago are still there.

[@Hav0k]

This is true. There will be more once 4.0 drops, but more and more bugs are getting nailed down with each patch it seems.

[@geemanamatin8383]

i heard about SC for the first time several years ago, i immediately gave the game a try while it was temporarily free. What i got was a 5-10 FPS lag fest that i soon closed after a painful hour and a half of trying to fumble my way to the hanger and see my or any ship. Now, years later, im 'Still' not certain i got a strong enough system to manage this game, i can play helldivers like a charm, and a wide variety of other titles, but when it comes to SC? i can never be certain. Another free run is being held at the time i am making to comment, hopefully i can make it work and at least enjoy what the game does currently have to offer. Otherwise? Im'a keep waiting for Jump Ship, and make due with elite dangerous and its lack of ship interiors. q-q

[@Valium_x]

Good video, god I hope they can make this an MMO with a large number of players. 1000 players with 6 servers is only 166 players per server and the shard died.

[@Hav0k]

I agree. I think Dynamic Server Meshing will he the real indicator that will take a bit longer for them.

[@minecraftprovie5076]

"only" 166 when a hundred is already to much. sure. Also they said it was just for stress testing RMQ. but who knows...

[@Reds_Resort]

My favourite thing was the Retaliator gold pass. Omg the noise it makes now is sooooo intense. Loving the new locations popping up all over. I hope to God Pyro has some really big unique places like Stanton has. Like Grim Hex and the other major cities. Great break down dude, informative and relaxing to listen to. o7

[@Hav0k]

Glad you enjoyed the video, Red! And I appreciate the kind words. I LOVE the rework on the Tali. It was my first buy and I love that ship. I hope that Pyro has unique locations like that too. I think they will add more as time goes on, but the first implementation may not be as much as we want. Still more locations than Stanton though so I hear

[@Supreme_Knowledge.]

Haven’t played Star citizen. I’m not interested in online playing. But I do want to play Squadron 42. Hopefully there’s more news about it

[@Hav0k]

I'm almost positive we'll get info on a date. Hopefully it's soon. If it's not this year, it will be fall or winter of next year since these types of games sell better during those seasons.

[@phillips3dworld39]

You can play Star Citizen as PvE only, which is the single player content and will have a main story or even non-combat roles once 1.0 releases, but we dont have a date yet.

[@HarperLylia]

Im actually a bit surprised with everyones disappointment with this year. The QoL, locations, and features added in the past year have been amazing for me. Im having more fun now than i have since i joined the project.

[@Archmage9885]

While I'm disappointed about the delays, I'm also having a lot of fun with the things that were added.

[@Fayker]

yes is disappointment this year, even the copy-pasted features from sq42.. not because they werent great addition to the game, but because the level of implementations of features are as always unpolished, half-tailored to PU, broken systems that worked before... its a mess of development... bugs keeps poping up for unknown reasons... only a few type of gameplay works, but with caveats... people expected more care from CIG after CitCon.

[@Hav0k]

Yeah I'm not too disappointed with this year. Disappointed by the delays, but also one thing I didn't touch up on is voicing my thoughts on how if the game is really frustrating people that much, I recommend taking a break to avoid burn out or frustration. I have definitely had fun here and there this year and I think 3.24 and 4.0 will absolutely be patches that I have a bunch of fun in.

[@misapheonix]

Its good for newbies. A nightmare for vets. Any game that takes years to give consistent players scraps of content is a very, very bad game!

[@Hav0k]

@misapheonix been here for 12 years. I definitely don't feel we're getting scrap content. But that's just me.

[@cygnus6623]

Nice recap. I agree that it has had some quality of life improvements and some other frills, but the big changes like Master Modes was more of a down for me than a positive...to put it politely. Hangers are just so-so for me. Now I store my stuff in boxes instead of the station. I do like leaving some smaller ships out on the sides. This patch has been pretty stable and 3.24.1 looks too be solid. Looking forward to the Zeus to come out in a few weeks...Likely Citizen Con.

[@Hav0k]

I'm thoroughly looking forward to the Zeus. Probably my favorite multi crew ship. As far as master modes, I'm really hoping for more changes that are positive for all parties involved. A lot of players are playing and using master modes comparatively, but people who don't like it are more vocal than every. Each side has valid arguments and views. I do think that they can make it better just like every other flight model that went through their painful moments.

[@johnbraithwaite863]

There were 400k active players the month before Master modes and now you're lucky if we hit 60k-70k, I think you're falling foul of survivor bias.

[@Hav0k]

@@johnbraithwaite863 it's a known fact that during the summer player activity and even youtube viewership dips to an all time low. Freight elevators were a feature that many players were highly anticipating, and they dropped from 3.23 all the way to 3.24. Leading to even less players playing. What the data shows in Arena Commander is that there is almost 3 times as many players playing in Arena Commander. Now I won't say that because of master modes people are more interested or happier. But more people are checking it out. It's not survivorship bias if players aren't playing near as much, but more are playing in Arena Commander. Master Modes isn't going anywhere. But CIG will make changes to the flight model that will make everything better. They just need to test various flight model configurations at a time, and listen to feedback. AB testing would be extremely effective in this area.

[@Hav0k]

@@johnbraithwaite863 it's a known fact that during the summer player activity and even youtube viewership dips to an all time low. Freight elevators were a feature that many players were highly anticipating, and they dropped from 3.23 all the way to 3.24. Leading to even less players playing. What the data shows in Arena Commander is that there is almost 3 times as many players playing in Arena Commander. Now I won't say that because of master modes people are more interested or happier. But more people are checking it out. It's not survivorship bias if players aren't playing near as much, but more are playing in Arena Commander. Master Modes isn't going anywhere. But CIG will make changes to the flight model that will make everything better. They just need to test various flight model configurations at a time, and listen to feedback. AB testing would be extremely effective in this area.

[@fraserpark8377]

Surely everyone can appreciate how incredible this game is? It’s mind blowing.

[@cellborne]

Thanks for the review! Was considering it but will wait. I don't think the server or networking tech exists for large scale space games.

[@Hav0k]

Given the most recent test going pretty well, that may change pretty quick. Glad you enjoyed the video!

[@Cornerboy73]

Just ducking in to say hello and thank you for the fine video. Sending you some encouragement Havok; there's no denying that it's been a disappointing year but we've had some big updates too which were great as you mentioned. I'm not sure what they are going to do for CitCon this year; I can't see them not giving a release date for S42 at this point. Not after saying it's going into the polishing phase last year. I just don't think they can keep putting that off much longer; it's time to get that show on the road; I think they'll announce it for Q3 2025. They will likely want to release it with 4.0 which is when I think we'll see that (we'll get it in the spring, but it won't work). CR wants it to be a big deal and what better way to market a single player game than with the promise of related a MMO version where you can travel between systems? If they fail to give that announcement, I think CitCon will be a bust this year; just more hot hair and bullsh*t. Anyway, time to go - I have Tyranids to kill for the Emperor, beloved by all !

[@Hav0k]

Appreciate the comment and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I think we'll for sure get a release date at the very least and I think they will give a ton of info on 1.0 and their vision of what the game will look like and how it will get to the state of a full MMO. I personally think SQ42 will be much sooner than that and a date we don't really expect. But we'll see. I think CitCon will be solid this year.

[@Cornerboy73]

@@Hav0k I hope you're right; I seem to recall CR saying once that whenever he makes the announcement, he wants it to release within 6 months or so of it. I could be wrong and I still think he'd like to have S42 release alongside a functional 4.0 is it would be a great marketing line. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Cheers o7

[@Hav0k]

@@Cornerboy73 I wouldn't be surprised. I could see it dropping when CitCon concludes. Or we'll see it Q1 2025. But anything can happen. o7

[@DermotBrophy]

pre-production of the game began in 2010 amlsot 15 years having raised over US$700 million as of May 2024 still an alpha 700mil and this game is still in alpha Squadron 42, a single-player game set in the same universe, was initially announced in the Kickstarter as an included campaign in Star Citizen, but is now intended to be a standalone product. but will pump out ships for you buy or models of ships yet to be made as a grey market has arisen from Star Citizen's funding practices, specifically the sale of limited-run ships and the inability for players to sell ships among themselves

[@HawkHPG]

On Xenothreat, every phase, i was lucky enough to get in early on day 1. Day 1 phases were amazing. I went back day 3/4/5 to help others and it was abysmal admittedly. But man, day 1, first 16-24 hrs of the XT phases were simply amazing. Especially the final phase.

[@Hav0k]

I bet it really made you think about how amazing that event could be with a ton of people and perfect servers. It's got so much potential.

[@HawkHPG]

@Hav0k oh for sure! First evening of Phase 1, the bunker data extraction, there was like 20 of us on the server that grouped up and hit them all back to back. We steam rolled them! It wasn't challenging in the least but man, to just have a near server wide group go out and do something together like that? One of my best SC moments for sure. I'm really, really hoping 4.0 will allow for more occurrences of huge group game play. If n when their servers get up to snuff, it will be an amazing sense of community.

[@Hav0k]

You and me both. Group gameplay is what I'm really passionate about.

[@guntherultraboltnovacrunch5248]

SEVEN...HUNDRED...MILLION.

[@zman_o7]

You know what keeps me going is that SC has things that none of the other space games I have played for years have. Yea it is beyond frustrating, I fell through a planet after buying a huge amount of cargo. Lost all my gear and all the gear on my ship, but my cargo was still in storage because I had not loaded it yet. Took me two days to find a server stable enough to load it up and deliver it and get paid just before this latest update in which case I would of been out of a lot of UEC. I keep hoping CIG pulls it off because frankly I do not see any other space game that is in the works to do what SC is trying to do. Good balanced video Hav0k and let us hope 2025 will be the year we can truly say this game is going to be amazing! o7 😎👍

[@Hav0k]

There's ups and downs. That's just the nature of the games development. It's frustrating when things ruin your gameplay. I'm hoping for a great 2025 as well. Thanks for watching as always, Z! o7

[@olternaut]

2025.......right.

[@zbigniewzuchowski8661]

you mean 3025

[@mho...]

just like fusion, only xxx years away, but "close" 🙄

[@jeffmadrid5437]

Very well done video. Thank you. I'm not certain how I haven't ran across your content before now. Your video list should have recommended this channel. Nice work. I play every other day or other third day, when I have time, but the vision of this game is what I've had in my head since I first watched Star Wars E IV (original version, of course). Smatterings of "The Last Starfighter" thrown in, with a splash of "Enemy Mine" with Dennis Quaid and Louis G. Jr. For me, it's the vision, not the destination/product. Helps keep me young, I guess.

[@Hav0k]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video! I'll probably also play more when they smooth things out. After all I might need to get a bigger ship to have a larger hangar. I actually remember The Last Starfighter quite well from my childhood. And Iron Eagle.

[@majinbooch3787]

thanks i plan on getting it soon or ill wait for 4.0

[@Hav0k]

I'd say wait for 4.0. I think things will start to get a bit better then

[@majinbooch3787]

@@Hav0k thanks will do it was this a tarvok expansion, or some online game. Do you know roughly when 4.0 will drop?

[@Hav0k]

@@majinbooch3787 they keep saying it's gonna happen Q4. But it's kinda up in the air it seems

[@Rift_131]

I agree. Once we’re past the blocker of server meshing things will take off. Once Squadron 42 is out the door, it will be even more so. I still enjoy getting into the game and getting my HOSAS setup refined and getting better at flying. I am still hyped for 4.0. Developers do not enjoy things not working anymore than we like experiencing the bugs. It’s just a matter of time before they have it figured out. Staying positive.

[@Hav0k]

Love the positive perspective!

[@Rift_131]

@@Hav0k Thank you, sir! I’ve been a software engineer for a year and a half now. I have a much deeper appreciation for the development process than I did when I first started backing SC in 2015. I don’t know if I would be as positive if I didn’t experience first hand what it takes to get the code to solidly work.

[@Hav0k]

@Rift_131 I can only imagine how a lot of that could change your perspective. It's very humbling I can imagine.

[@TianLong72k]

I agree with you man, I last played at 18.3 i think and I've just been busy. I plan on getting back in and learning all the systems and what they have added

[@Hav0k]

@@TianLong72k It's good to keep busy with other things in the meantime while the game is built. Which is why I'm a firm believer in playing other games as well or advocate for taking breaks from it

[@loneecho1173]

I started playing back in july but i had such a sucky time playing, it was broken, glitchy, and just unplayable sometimes. It got boring but it is such a great idea and i want to get involved.

[@Hav0k]

It's definitely rough right now. Which is why I recommend most people wait until a lot of the issues are fixed.

[@TheeKevlarDucky]

Really, really, REALLY want an Argo salvager. Entry level or mid sized. Doesn't matter to me.

[@Hav0k]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Drake Salvage ship. Probably medium sized. But as far as entry level, who knows to behind. Might be nice actually.

[@InfiniteWatermelon]

The goal was that everything shown in Citcon 23, except for base building and SQ42, would be delivered till the end of 2024. They still have 3 and a half months before you can judge how well they did. Honestly, if they ended the year at 70% of all that was promissed, I'd call it fair.

[@Hav0k]

I'd agree with that. And yeah I get that was their goal. Definitely not a promise. But if they get 70% of it I'd call the year a good year of QOL and decent growth. They are slowly getting better at communicating things compared to the past. I'm not as concerned as I used to be a few years ago.

[@Hav0k]

I'd agree with that. And yeah I get that was their goal. Definitely not a promise. But if they get 70% of it I'd call the year a good year of QOL and decent growth. They are slowly getting better at communicating things compared to the past. I'm not as concerned as I used to be a few years ago.

[@HaloElite]

Was there when game was still in it's founding phase and invested a hundred bucks cause it sounded really like a great thing. Well, still waiting for the final release but at least they're still working on it. XD

[@Hav0k]

I hear ya. I was there too. Still waiting. I need it to be in 1.0 already 😅

[@Judasz696]

They should include farming and trading with crops

[@briananderson4032]

5 weeks ago, I would have bet it all that 4.0 would not make it this year, but now, I don’t know. I’m looking at odds like 50/50. That it will make the pu. The ptu doesn’t count, at least for me. Come on our savior Christ Robert’s, get this game going.

[@Hav0k]

I completely agree. If it doesn't make it to the PU it doesn't count as a successful Q4 release. Hopefully, they're able to make it in time. From what I've been hearing internally though, Richard Tyrer really is the best thing to happen to SC. A lot of devs seem to be motivated by him and believe that he'll help the project become a success.

[@briananderson4032]

Definitely. Robert’s is now a bothersome figure head. Tyre is the new soul at CIG.

[@blueseanewt2138]

I haven't spent a dime on this game, that said it is starting to look like a game I would like to play. I am getting to the point where maybe it is pushing me to worth the 40 bucks to satiate my curiosity.

[@Hav0k]

I would say to wait until 4.0 and until they figure out the server stability issues.

[@wav3zeq]

@@Hav0k when will 4.0 release

[@Hav0k]

@@wav3zeq i thought it would have been by now. But probably a week before they go on vacation in December

[@wav3zeq]

@ alright because I’ve been thinking about getting something to play it’s been catching my eye

[@Hav0k]

@@wav3zeq Keep in mind that the game is unfortunately still in Alpha. So there are plenty of times when the bugs and server stability detract from the experience.

[@killingbeastxx]

Whats the song at the end?

[@Hav0k]

Dreams of the Future by Pedro Camacho Macedo

[@killingbeastxx]

@@Hav0k thank you

[@killingbeastxx]

​@@Hav0kthe one with the piano

[@killingbeastxx]

The conclusion has another song in the background

[@Hav0k]

@@killingbeastxx my bad. It's called Imagine by Pedro Camacho

[@GRS4HlK2]

If you think about it Star Citizen is said to be in development for as many years as it took from the release of the C64 to the release of Doom. Just think about it.

[@jsullivan649]

while I appreciate your views, my issue is that you're still giving them too much credit. They have proven this year that it was supposed to be "THE YEAR"... and nothing we've seen or got even makes that a remote possibility. I'm honestly more hopeful for SQ42 news this year more than anything.. SC is dead in the water for now

[@Hav0k]

It's my opinion that if they deliver on all of the features in 4.0 that they will have delivered 70% of what they stated was their goal, not an absolute promise that it would happen, to deliver most of the features seen during certain citcon panels, I'll consider that a successful delivery. Again my opinion. I get others have different perspectives, and I respect that. My biggest issue is that people take their words and goals as absolutes, and development is very much a bad approach. Again just my thoughts

[@jsullivan649]

@@Hav0k to date though they only introduced about 25% of what they showed? While I agree 70% + would be huge… we’re not even close yet as they’re still piecemeal releasing 1/4 of a thing and claim a win. As it stands they need to kick marketing out of the equation and stop the “hype trains” for features. Star engine is supposed to be this amazing thing, yet even from what they say it can do, and what it presently does is barely a quarter of what that.

[@Hav0k]

@jsullivan649 that's incorrect. Right now it's sitting at a solid 50% delivered. Here's a spreadsheet of the tracking that's up to date. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1GW8C48bg6uk4FYz-MP3V0vVAuam1849Ddm-imITADOU/htmlview

[@Hav0k]

@@jsullivan649 Also, there's a lot that goes into marketing. I absolutely agree that marketing often offers a very disjointed advertisement from the actual game, but I've never seen it really as hype. Just normal advertisement that you'd expect from a company trying to raise money for the game. It's a necessary evil to keep development going. But im also hopeful for SQ42. SC still has some time before we're better off

[@DennisHanson007]

10 years? Many donors already died during covid. 😅 Where's can we find a prosecutor to make justice here?

[@rickshaw3397]

It seems like theyre going to move straight to squad 42 episode 2. I hope they focus on SC and dedicate multiple teams to start pushing out backlog of ships AND gold standard all the old ones.

[@Hav0k]

I don't think they will. I think they'll have a strike team dedicated to that. But at least all of the systems and what not are setup already for SQ42 ep 2. That way they just need to write the story and do motion capture and tie everything together.

[@ANDROAZ_Gaming]

I can't say I'm disappointed with the delays. Anyone that has been around for at least a couple of years should expect delays as I do. I still enjoy the game, but I have also become accustomed to the delays. Nothing CIG has done over the last few years has surprised me.

[@Hav0k]

I get it. I've seen a lot of delays happen in the last 12 years. So it's not surprising when delays happen

[@parkerxgps]

Once we can get past what the drama patrol has to freak out about. Getting lots better, just need more game loops and, npc's.

[@Hav0k]

That and server meshing working, absolutely.

[@JagHiroshi]

I think my disappointment is not with the release cadence but with the choices: glint, sponge FPS, Ursa medbed saga (obviously a marketing decision not a game design decision), green space, HUD from a 1980s space game, missed opportunities with the map, huge power creep with ships, power selling the Hornet MK2, Master Modes reaction, new ships rather than delivering outstanding old concepts. etc etc etc

[@elkneto4334]

u forgot that they now start to nerf everything to sell us the "solution" they are outright evil and this will never go anywhere

[@o.h.gaming2006]

sadly they wont shift their full focus onto this game once squadron 42 is done and released, they will just start making a different game and continue to work slow af on star citizen. they are basically using all of the funding they got from you all to make other games, games that no one asked for. we want star citizen, that that wont probably happen for another 10 to 15 years. most of us will be dead by then... hell many already have during covid. everyone just needs to stop funding them till we force them to star working hard on star citizen and taking it serious and also hire more talented devs that have many years of experience to focus on the bugs, then shift the focus back onto making more content and making it more realist with more features , game already has a lot to keep people busy, fix whats broken first. game looks and is amazing though.

[@dorinius1473]

All these comments just giving me no reason to buy the game. Just giving their moments and not reason why I should buy. Convince me dude. I am not going to get scammed out of a space game with very little content

[@Hav0k]

It's definitely not a scam. The game has a lot of moments that are unique to SC in good ways and bad ways. I've had some of the most amazing moments in SC, especially with friends and org mates. But I most certainly won't sit here and preach to you that it's the most amazing game and you should buy a package. You should definitely try it out during the free fly events. But you gotta keep in mind that things are still rough a lot the time. For all intents and purposes, we're all the early testers of the game as they build it. We're part of active development, which often sucks. One day, hopefully soon, the game will be so much better and entertaining than it is now. And it will truly offer an incredible experience unique to Star Citizen. The biggest draw to the game is that it's a sandbox. You can literally what ever you want. I'd just encourage you to keep an open mind and just keep your eye on it. That way, you get to see it be built and get to make your decision once the game is in a much better state.

[@Buk86]

As a backer from 2013 who invested far too much money, all I can say is: don't buy it.

[@philipsavage4396]

@@dorinius1473 do not buy this game if you want to enjoy yourself. It’s like 10% fun 90% rage inducing. Constant bugs to basic core mechanics that will waste your time and ruin your night.

[@Amozii]

I just got it like 5 days ago I still haven’t been able to complete a mission cause some how a turrent takes out my ship even tho I’m not trespassing for a mission or just someond is camping the station waiting to kill me it feels like I can’t complete mission without a bug happening

[@RaveN_EDM]

The game is just over ambitious, promising capabilities that cant be done rn. The technology simply doesnt exist in the gaming industry to run the type of servers theyre trying to run and the game is getting too complex for its own good. You cant even run minecraft with 1000 players simultaneously with no lag, theres a reason why all other MMO games need seperate servers to split the playerbase. I think the devs are trying to keep the game alive until technology advances enough for them to actually implement the features they want but that means cash grabs until that time comes

[@vance640]

I have mixed feelings about the game. I tried it during the invictus and was quite hooked for some time but then the bugs and lags and other server issues made me hesitate about purchasing a starter pack. I'm willing to get into the game and spend money but only if the developpment team can offer a stable experienc wich is obviously not the case today. I keep my fingers crossed but have no illusions^^

[@CitizenGVN]

The fact so many people think development is going to shift fully back to Star Citizen when SQ42 is done is crazy. I'm sure I read in an interview somewhere a few years back that a sequel(s) was already planned, so I'd say it's more likely to continue with a split work load where Star Citizen and the SQ42 Sequel is worked on especially if SQ42 is a success. If it flops then maybe they'll drop the idea of a sequel and then maybe they'll go full steam ahead with SC but I'd say that's the only time SC is going to get 100% of the focus.

[@Hav0k]

The sequels are planned, but it will be imperative they focus on 1.0 before moving onto the next 2 episodes of SQ42.

[@CitizenGVN]

@@Hav0k I agree, but I honestly don't think that'll be the way it pans out.

[@Hav0k]

@@CitizenGVN maybe not. But I really hope so tbh.

[@jasonz2736]

NO, its just a buggy hell, cargo and loot keeps disappearing, mission stuck due to bug, only thing worth is to take some screenshots and showing off to none believers

[@Hav0k]

It's unfortunate that we had that many issues with it. Supposedly the .1 patch makes it significantly more stable with less issues than previously. Let's hope they focus on making 4.0 smooth

[@mho...]

i always liked space games (since X-Wing & Freespace), but weirdly enough, i never felt the need to play/try starcitzen 🤷‍♂ to me it always felt like "its just a tech demo" & therefore, i just dont feel like investing time and/or money into it! and now, after what? a decade of being just a tech demo, i feel even less compelled to try.... they just took toooo long & made it even less appealing because of that! plus the ship price's are kinda crazy!

[@thisisMRJAMES]

I want to be able to play the game and have an enjoyable experience. I just don't feel like there is enough there yet to retain my attention.

[@chocks9350]

Spend you money if you want... For me I will not play the game, since it is still the same, not a finish product and it will not be for many years to come.... Enjoy and hope you have patience, hahaha..... See you in 10 years....

[@littlefoot2869]

how time you show use join

[@bobbastian760]

No VR support is just bizarre at this point. Elite Dangerous has had that for years

[@Hav0k]

It is kinda strange. I wish there was VR support by now

[@MoPar225]

Best what I have seen is that you only need 40-50$ starter pack to get going on SC. Oh forgot the 1500$ gaming PC to make it run well.

[@Hav0k]

Nah you can play just fine on an $800 PC

[@lennoxdantes]

Nothing has been added to this game in 4 years. Just reskinned box missions, reskinned menus and more beam gameplay. Still no: Basic physics Working map Quality UI Quality Inventory System Visceral Flight model Ship modules Ship weapons Decent FPS Every year CIG announces things that exist in other games, act like they invent them, and give them a catchy name... Every year... we get beams.

[@YWeeJun]

toooo true, and too many rehashed excuses and reasons, including infinitely renaming and reworking mediocre mechanics

[@john6203]

From 5.25 onwards is just wishful thinking, this time last year they were all shouting yeah, we did it! with regard to server meshing so where is it? Well, it seems it's just being pushed back along with Pyro which is typical CIG and it is getting very tiresome after 10 years of this. Currently we have no evidence that server meshing will fix any stability issues let alone improve any aspect of the game. There should be outrage from the community as to why Pyro and server meshing has been pushed back, but paradoxically there doesn't seem to be any. Moreover, the state of Hull C on release is an absolute disgrace also, and honestly if I didn't have so much invested in this, I'd remove star citizen completely from my PC. I honestly could not in good conscience recommend this to anyone.

[@Berserkerbaboen]

If the game needs to survive on people buying credits and the sales of sq42, then I think we are looking at a dead horse. For if the tech & II/III costs 2-6 billion to make. Then we are looking at creditsubs and gamepacks worth... 2-6B.

[@Hav0k]

Honestly, when you really break it down, for a game company to make a game over 12 years, $700 million really isn't as much as you might think.

[@GRS4HlK2]

Let me tell you a joke: ... ... There are people investing thousands of dollars in virtual space ships for a game not even existing since my daughter was born. Oh, so you are a father? Yes, but not only that: I am even a grandfather now. Star Citizen: When "When it's done." becomes a totally new meaning.

[@trevtrev1523]

I stopped putting money in this game till CIG starts respecting their community. They mislead way too much and people are way to forgiving to the point people will try to censor critism.

[@chridou]

In my opinion the success of SC depends completely on Server Meshing. I fear it does not work because there is no real progress visible here except "collecting data" being claimed. It looks more like they just discovered the challenges and have no solution or plan. At CitCon 2023 the demo was just a "proof of concept" without them even knowing what would be ahead of them. Furthermore the lack transparency of CIG regarding Server Meshing makes it difficult to believe in the project anymore. So my fear is they just try to milk us as long as possible until they actually have to admit what they already know: SC as an MMO will never become reality. (I hope it is not like that)

[@Hav0k]

I understand. I think it will be successful. There's just a lot more that goes into the network engineering aspect of it than many of us realize. They had a pretty successful test before, but this new server meshing test added in RMQ and also has no Transit and Mission refactors for server meshing. I think we could see more info as soon as 4.0 is in testing

[@koopakinkreet]

I feel like im the only person that thinks the year had a ton of development. 🤷 The Ui, stability, hangers, graphics, misions and theres still a ways off to years end I do think pyro will launch this year So pretty much everything they teased/ mentioned and more

[@Hav0k]

Nah you're honestly not the only person. I think the year had quite a bit of development. But not quite like they said there would be. At least not yet. But there is still 3 months left.

[@azul_aim]

Never played this game. Should I even try it as a complete newcomer? Will I have stuff to do?

[@reddchan]

Maybe these big ambitious games should just launch an opening section and just build the game out over the years with the players input

[@Hav0k]

That's actually kinda what they're doing. But they are trying to build two games at the same time as well

[@Thesuice]

People still believe this will get done? Nope, nope. Store Citizen is making too much money NOT being finished, for it to ever be finished.

[@macmanuelodumeru3708]

Even if it's finished, they'll still continue to make money because they'll always be update and features to be added.

[@MercurialStatic]

@@macmanuelodumeru3708just significantly less. I’m sure they’d be okay with that though, right? 50,000,000 vs 100,000,000 isn’t really a big difference, yeah? Don’t lie to yourself.

[@macmanuelodumeru3708]

@@MercurialStatic that's double bro. Other games continue with updates, and I'm sure they will too. They'd obviously love to continue increasing player count and game popularity with more ads and updates to draw folks in and keep the current engaged

[@AzylumBeatz]

@@Thesuice they would probably stand to make more money by finishing it and continually updating it as live service. When they finish it they can just continue selling ships for revenue. They would have exponentially more paying customers if they had a stable product to be played. When you know the games been a bugged out mess for years, your lot less likely to shell out 150$++ on a macrotransaction on the hope that , one day it might be better.. Versus if the game works as intended and remains stable enough to play an enjoy without constant bugs, a lot more people would be more willing to pay.

[@davidanderson2567]

@Thesuice idk man.. Seeing there is no game like it.

[@kevinator41]

I'm a backer of this game since 2013 ! And to be honest at this stage i very much doubt that it will be very successful . It looks and sounds spectacular but in the great scheme of things it will only be a very niche game .

[@Hav0k]

Honestly, I very much doubt that. Its a game that offers a very different experience that many people will play for many years. There's no sci-fi games that will come close to delivering a similar experience right now.

[@SERPENT741]

I am so terrified to try Star Citizen as a player who loves playing MMO’s as a solo. I worry about griefers when I’m trying to grind to earn my first ship (I just can’t afford to pay for some of their ship packages they offer) can any experienced players tell me how bad griefing can be on solo players?

[@Hav0k]

What is not clearly defined when backing Star Citizen, is that you don't need to pay a dollar over the $45 to get a starter package. Most of everything can be earned in game via farming for credits. And honestly, there isn't as much griefing going on and many of the players will be willing to help in some way.

[@SERPENT741]

@@Hav0khey man thanks for the reply. That makes me feel better honestly. Between your videos and some others I think on payday I may get a $45 pack and give it a whirl it looks like a game I think I could enjoy, I do not mind having to grind and farm in games, appreciate your reply again!

[@Hav0k]

@SERPENT741 any time! Just keep in mind it's still got some time to go until it's finished! It's definitely fun in my opinion, but some people can find it frustrating

[@SERPENT741]

@@Hav0k yes definitely, I’m going in with an open mind, I’ve seen at times it can show it still is a game that is being worked on, but I have seen enough to make me want to at least give it a shot!

[@Hav0k]

@@SERPENT741 if you need any help at all, feel free to ask. You can catch me on my discord that's listed in the video description.

[@Marlax-101]

idk if i can agree with the new eva. Its fine but i could fly mock 10 in eva in the past through ships ect no issues. New eva the ships gravity keeps pulling your body into it and your character i guess automaticly pushes off of surfaces so you just bounce off things constantly which is annoying. Its fine if you eva in open space away from objects but eh.

[@Hav0k]

I definitely haven't experienced any bouncing off objects. But that's interesting cause I don't think I've heard any bad things since the new system. The old EVA, absolutely.

[@Marlax-101]

@@Hav0k ill have to go back and find some old recordings from the last couple weeks. i remember during pvp at the security post and at some point eva around a ship in space it was happening a lot. I just assume the character is automaticly pushing off the wall but you can tell the character is moving toward the wall against the path i wanted. Its not a major thing to me overall just a minor annoyance. I heard they will add the hand crawling at some point which might solve some of the issues.

[@TheGaryinWales]

I'm not sure what to make of this video. I feel like you get it a little bit, without really getting it. Everyone knows (that has been paying attention) that the single server that the game runs in has been full for many years. The PU is at the very end of their development pipeline, there is a lot they are working on (that they have show us) that cant be added until server meshing is in because the code has been written that way. They have only been able to add stuff to the PU as they remove stuff from the server, like adding the data separation so that not everything has to load into server memory. Do you think CIG WANT to delay everything? Or do you think that getting server meshing is difficult and hard to get right and to a state that scales? This video is more about your disappointment that you wanted stuff when you want it. It might be better to just let them try to make their game and then come back and help test it when they have it to a state they are happy with? Streamers keep saying stuff like 'development is slow' but what they mean is 'stuff being added to the PU is slow'. We all know why that is but it doesnt stop streamers making click bait videos about it.

[@Hav0k]

Well, I did say a lot of this was about my opinions based on my experience with SC for the last 12 years. And if I was to speak more on my real thoughts, I'd be called an idiot or someone would say I'm insane. Personally, I've always held the belief for the last few years that they were working so hard on server meshing cause of everything that ties into it and that CIG could possibly have a ton of other features that have been completed, but haven't implemented because server meshing would either break it and they'd have to rewrite it, or they just won't work until they have server meshing, so they didn't bother putting it in. They're clearly done with the work on Odin (cause of SQ42), and Nyx has likely been done for a while. But obviously they can't release those until server meshing is working in a very good state. I have a lot of varying opinions and perspectives on what I believe can be possible. I try as much as I can to not make things clickbaity, but this is something that youtube basically forces you to do to be recommended. It's what gets people to find your channel. It's probably the most annoying and frustrating part of being a content creator to be honest.

[@TheGaryinWales]

@@Hav0k i do massively sympathise with KZbin creators. Space Tomato did a video some time back sharing his frustration with putting hours into a 'positive' video only for nobody to watch it. People love drama, i do get that. But the fallout for people wanting to maximise monetisation by posting drama videos is that it creates LOTs of misinformation and unwarrented bad feeling in the community. Mark Abent did a video in bug smashers saying 'the server is full'. That was maybe 6 years ago. The game as you know runs on 1 single server per instance of 100 players (excluding servers running services). It doesnt matter how much stuff CIG create (and they have a lot of people creating it), they cant add it. I know you get this, but its incredibly frustating to see videos complaining about them not adding content when people know they cant add content and say it just get views on YT. Its like my kids saying 'are we there yet' even though i told them its Scotland and its 7 hours away (yes i get that they said this would be done sooner, i knew it wouldnt be because I knew server meshing wouldnt be as simple as they thought). IF CIG release server meshing and nothing happens with adding developed content into the game because we find they havnt actually made it, then i think critisism would be warrented. What they are building (if it comes to fruition) is ground breaking in the games industry, yes its hard to wait for it and yes its not what they pitched for all those years ago (i've been around a while too) but show me the other game like this thats being developed and i'll go play that instead. love your videos though, keep up the good work. .

[@Hav0k]

@TheGaryinWales i absolutely agree with you. The amount of negative videos trying to get that click are getting out of control. I remember when the servers first started, that 1 server had 25 players in it. Now we have 4 times that at the moment. Once server meshing is in, we could see 500, 1000 of possibly even 2000. Which is a crazy thought. The game truly is ambitious and will be ground breaking in its final finished project. And i can't show you another game that will have the most depth out of any game in the future, because it doesn't exist. 😜😛 I'm glad you enjoy the videos. Thanks for the kind words 😄

[@nunyabidness4779]

I just watched this video, but I legitimately want to ask: if 2025 isn't the year, can the insiders please stop hyping the game until it is fixed? I am not someone who is on the bash StarCitizen bandwagon. I am legitimately curious if those on the hype-train will ever have a legitimate problem with a moved target. This is starting to become an NFT video game (conceptually - little real value, all hype). I just built another high-end pc and thought it was time to give it another go. I logged on recently and while there are things in this game that just can be so impressive, it is skin-deep at best. It is like putting a hyper car body on a Yugo frame. Some bugs have been fixed and there is progress, but the game is still littered with bugs that effect the playability. There are also gameplay elements that are really bad by today's standards, and even most of yesteryear (shooting and AI are still just not good). I am forced to warn people about what purchasing this game means and why they should avoid buying extras even if they do risk a purchase. I don't want to and I wish this hype-train would reach the station, but after years of playing I question why anyone is still riding after this long. The only answer I can see is the sunk cost fallacy. Sure, sometimes it offers a truly unique experience, but those times where it works are not often enough for it to be given credibility.

[@Hav0k]

Who are considered the insiders? Or are you just assuming youtubers and streamers somehow have a connection to CIG that benefits them by reporting on Star Citizen news aside from just genuinely looking forward to the game?

[@nunyabidness4779]

@ you read what you wanted to, but I wasn’t talking about a great StarCitizen conspiracy. I meant it as a reference for all of those on the hype-train. This game has been 12 years in development and they have all of these grand ship releases, but it is still only somewhat playable. I used to be a pay-pig because I believed in the possibility, but everyone needs to have a limit. If you like it, fine, but always talking about the next patch is getting ridiculous. $700+ mil raised, 12 years and still we need to wait for the next patch?? People need to be honest about the game: no one has not rage quit for some bugged BS. This NFT might be just a dumb jpg of a monkey and not the investment opportunity of a life time. For the amount this company has raised you could literally build a real life space ship.

[@Hav0k]

@@nunyabidness4779 i didn't read what I wanted to. I asked a question.

[@nunyabidness4779]

@ I did want to say that your video is far more realistic than many of the people covering this game. That is why I wanted to ask if you (or those that may appreciate the game’s lack of playability) actually were considering a time limit as a rational way to see yourself out of falling for the hype. It really is starting to border scam territory. That amount of money is unbelievable for a development still not finished. Elon’s new rocket costs $69 mil to make. They could have bought ten and literally flown people into space for the amount they have raised for this game and we still don’t have a single player and it is always next year. I do want to believe and there are things about this game worth talking about, but at some point you have to be transparent that what it is currently is a bad game with a low-likelihood of being good soon.

[@Hav0k]

I think that a lot of it rides on their ability to deliver on their goals for what they made for 1.0. The game still has a ways to go, but they are making progress even while they're making two games. I really don't get the argument some people make that it's a scam (not necessarily talking about you) because the game can be played right now. It has moments where it's a great experience. And moments where stability is just terrible and it detracts from the game. But I've honestly had moments in this game that were unlike any other, and they were genuinely some of the best, which is what keeps me coming back. 2025 might be a big year. It might not. But if they can begin to deliver the vision of 1.0 over the next few years, it will still be worth it. My intention is to always be transparent about the game. There are definitely issues that suck, but it still has those amazing moments that can't be matched. Truly. If they can deliver a much more stable experience, even with some bugs, it will still be worthwhile.

[@DamonCzanik]

Is it worth it in 2024? For me, it is. I like the updates, and have enjoyed playing the game. But it does feel like 4.0 lite. 2024's success ultimately relies on the release of 4.0. Development will not necessarily speed up with Squadron 42 releasing because they'll move on to SQ42 Episode 2 after that. Where development speed increases is having the technical roadblocks gone due to fundamental tech like server meshing in. They have to make sacrifices to get the game at acceptable levels. That becomes less of an issue with server meshing. Also speed increases with the improving of their procedural tools. I think the issue with community is, is lack of updates. While nice, 3.24 is largely just stuff that didn't make it to 3.23. And 3.23.0 took 6 months. 2 major updates per year isn't enough for the community. The major tech introduced has lead to a bunch of delays. Having been in the community long enough, even the best updates start to wear thin after the first 1-2 months. I will say the uproar over MM is from a largely select few screaming very loudly. Every change to the flight model has always had the community screaming. If there's one thing the community excels at, is whining, drama and overreacting over nothing. But the fact is, it hasn't affected funding. Core tech takes about a year to fully have an impact. Before 3.23, there wasn't a single piece of core tech introduced since 3.18 (March 2023). So I think we'll really start to see the fruits of labor after the tech is matured enough for release (SQ42, and 4.0's release). So, like every year the next year is, at least, a little better. 2024 is better than 2023. But 2024 isn't as good as 2025. I think CitizenCon 2024 is going to blow people's minds again. But the full effects won't be felt until Q4 2025, possibly into 2026. People just need to accept the content as given now, and make the best of it. Seeing everything coming out, you need to have a long term outlook on it, or you'll frustrate yourself with delays. After fundamental tech like server meshing, the procedural tools are the biggest gargantuan impediment to speeding up gameplay. They simply have to do more. If they were to release a new star system every quarter, (a development speed unprecedented) it would still take 25 years to get the 100 star systems of content they wanted. They must improve their tools to release 2 star systems every quarter. They're nowhere near that. They have to radically overhaul their development process. I hope this is the major focus of 2025. Somebody needs to convince management of the radical changes in development that need to be made.

[@techquad1151]

SC has never been a game to play all year. all buggy. have not played it in 8 years, and i still find SC a mess... it still so messy? all that FREE CASH the got vs frontier alone. ILMAO.. Im still on Elite D. now SC has some good things i want in ED. Waring: have a LONG one to read this hhh: However ED was build up from the ground as a true 1.1 real sim milky way galaxy and the games mecs, are real sick good work, also the sound is sick, VR is sick. Its in a real good state on Pc now. It has problems for the future.. i wish Frontier could see they need a fresh team with them now.. now look-- ser.. .the cash SC got and all the CRAZY founding cash they had M and M $$$ ..VS Frontier ED gave me 10 years for 65$ and they did not found their game. No pain of bugs in gameplay, they are present in all games (bugs), however its so small bugs i see them tre times a year stabil. VS SC, ED is much weaker on fot /fps shooter mission. However its not in a bad state in 2024 (on foot graphics are the only catch vs SC, actually the dream would be to get frontier som partners and raise some CASH and i would play ED for 30 years more. SC was my dream while playing ED. i just cant get same feeling in my ship and the realism sim from button to top in SC. Elite D is so much hotter, even Nasa had to look at it. things...during gameplay interesting things happens in elite that is true stuff. SC can never have this. cuz of the no realism sim build. .. NOW wait that the point here : While Elite D can get there SC are good. they started on the sim. so they need CASH. they did so much. honest servers been up for 10 years and no need to buy any content for cash. im just glad thy did not shutdown and are coming with a minor update 30.10.24. PLZ FOUND ED. Frontier? find CASH. dont give up the best space sim ever. then plz make ED 2.... WITH THE SAME SIM. just do better for foot shooter and space jumps in a suite. if u have a suite u should be able to drop out of your destroyed ship a lack of ED. ED no matter what is the best Space sim int the whole world and in our galaxy

[@Rustie_za]

Golden Ticket supporter from like literally Day 10 of Chris launching this game. I am done. I just could not care anymore. 700 million into this game and no beta in sight. Just not good enough. I could not care anymore.

[@Hav0k]

I understand the frustration. But what I view quite differently after all these years are that with how ambitious their goals are, and the fact that, for all intents and purposes, I would literally be considered a QA tester that sees the game going through the worst of times during development. In a normal situation, a developer that didn't have transparent development, would just barely be coming out with brief gameplay trailers to show off a new idea for a game. You've got games like Beyond Good and Evil 2 that are still in development, and it's been in development longer than many. It's now been over 15 years for that game.

[@misapheonix]

Man, you cant be serious. This was the year where we had peak dev count, focused. Yet they STILL cant do anything except swap some things over for 20% max better visuals/performance, how the hell can you imagine them doing anything more than that?

[@Hav0k]

I realize you have a different perspective, and I respect that. But I wouldn't post my opinions on something if I didn't actually have the opinion. And yes, I can actually see them do more once they've gotten SQ42 done.

[@misapheonix]

@@Hav0k Aaahh, sorry buddy. That came directly from veteran solo, player frustration with lack of content xP it's let me step back and catch up on a ton of games that have the content I seek, namely Warframe and heavily modded Starfield *. *

[@Hav0k]

@misapheonix No need to apologize. I've been here for 12 years almost and I've had my own ups and downs. I respect and value your perspective and opinion even if I don't agree with everything. I do hope there is a way that they make things better for everyone involved. Including veteran backers.

[@kenshi_cv2407]

Performance still worse than it was a year ago lol

[@saifer21]

This game willl never come out full realease.

[@parzivalvolarus9281]

Yes it will. 100%, no question - it will. But not until the Alpha stops being profitable. They will milk Alpha for as long as they can. But that isn’t forever. Then they will release the game to squeeze more cash. The only question is, will it ever be good? My opinion - anything is possible, but I doubt it.

[@zeroxception]

Shame you had no actual gameplay footage.

[@Hav0k]

Incorrect. There's footage of my gameplay at 01:11 (Distribution centers) and 05:25 (Xenothreat)

[@Nsatiro]

Its too long. I love the game but not sure if it going to be done. Too mutch marketing. Too little dev

[@gruntling61]

All good points, but you talk as if the year is over. Still 3 months to go.

[@Hav0k]

I get it. Not at all, though. I do mention that 4.0 is still coming for the year is over with. But I get what you mean.

[@RedDwarf1]

Yeah, FPS OK but looting sucks!

[@Hav0k]

I think its improved over the old way. But it definitely needs some work

[@BGIANAKy]

Not with master modes. Shit is garbage

[@Hav0k]

I'm hoping with the feedback, that they'll begin really making changes to make it better.

[@Hav0k]

@carlosfernandez7706 Hope is the only thing that is keeping the game alive. There's thousands of people and several hundred developers that are hoping all of the hard work pays off. You can have absolutely no hope and still be disappointed. Hope is what people have that still believe something amazing can still be possible, even in spite of overwhelming odds. I can think of countless wars over thousands of years that would have been lost without hope. Several revolutionary wars come to mind.

[@BGIANAKy]

@@Hav0k CIG is in for a rude awakening 2025

[@Hav0k]

@BGIANAKy if things don't really happen this year, yeah there will probably be a lot more frustrating moments.

[@Nightbar0n]

It's a fun game... Even great if you can find a bunch of ppl to play with you, but the practice of nerfing things to accommodate new ships always feels like urrgh.

[@Hav0k]

Absolutely. This is definitely one of my biggest gripes.

[@morbidcorpse5954]

No