The TRUTH About The Atari Jaguar No One Tells You

[@Forever8Bit]

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[@teddym2808]

I agree. The hardware wasn't the issue. The marketing and timeline was. The 32X was a very capable little add on that I wish had been taken more seriously. I am a bit of a Jaguar fanboy as well. You are handsome. I am in an honest mood. Blush!

[@JustMe99999]

I got the Jaguar when it came out - it was a fantastic system. It's unfortunate what happened to Atari.

[@Forever8Bit]

I agree. In spite of some ill-advised marketing and a less than stellar pack-in game, there was a lot of potential in the hardware itself. Homebrew coders, working out of the own homes with no training from the Atari of the 90s, have turned out some stellar content for the system. It's a testament both to their skills and the power of the platform. And both are great.

[@andrewyoung4275]

I also got it when it came out and it was the most disappointing console I ever owned.

[@PixelPusher1]

@@andrewyoung4275 Same and same. For me, it was worth it for AvP, DOOM, and Cannon Fodder (we didn't have a PC), but everything else felt so low-rent, half-assed, and last-gen. That was the last time I ever bought a console without waiting for its library to prove itself first

[@Tolbat]

@@PixelPusher1 bro Wolfenstein, Tempest 2000, Defender 2000, Rayman, Theme Park, and iron soldier were all great games.

[@PixelPusher1]

@@Tolbat Maybe as an adult when give those games the benefit of the doubt for being indie games..... but not when you're an adolescent in 1995 and expecting "64 bit" games to be better quality and more impressive than the first-party games on the SNES that you already own

[@Gorilla_Jones]

I visited Atari many times back them and they were a great group of people. They just didn't have the war chest to compete. Still have my launch Jag with a complete library and some rare goodies I got from Sam. Miss these days greatly.

[@Forever8Bit]

It's almost inconceivable to think that Atari, in the height of its popularity, had to sell to Warner just to keep the lights on. It's great to see products like Atari 50 that showcase the history of the brand and have great games from eras like the Jag era to be loved all over again.

[@akfreed6949]

@@Forever8Bit I don't think they were hurting financially when Bushnell sold ATARI to Warner Bros . ATARI started hurting when Warner Bros was in charge .

[@ressljs]

@@akfreed6949 My understanding was Atari, while not hurting, didn't have the kind of money necessary to market the VCS the way they wanted. Without Warner to push advertising and help secure licences for arcade ports, the VCS could have easily gone down like the Fairchild Channel Z. Time warp to the 90's, I remember reading in one of the game magazines (admittedly, they did have a dubious relationship with reality) that Sega spent more on advertising one of their Sonic games than Atari had for their entire annual budget.

[@jeremyf9124]

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[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

The Jag Doom no music due game using the graphics and sound processors to the max, has been shot down by the homebrew coder who added it back in, apparently the code was always present, it just needed mixing.

[@Forever8Bit]

That's interesting. I wonder if it was just a matter of time constraint for Atari at the time.

[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

@@Forever8Bit it wouldn't surprise me, Atari badly needed product out whilst there was still a commercial Jaguar market to speak of, John Carmack has stated if he wrote Doom from scratch, he'd target a smoother frame rate, higher resolution etc, so Doom as it was, does seem like it had more to give.

[@TeeroyHammermill]

The music plays between the levels so yes the code was always there. I'm confident they turned it off during gameplay to prevent taxing the system as Doom is more Demanding on the hardware than Wolfenstein done by the same Coder. World tour Racing doesn't play music on 2 player mode and it's on CD rom. Mario Kart 64 on N64 doesn't play music on 3 or 4 player mode.

[@lordterra1377]

Apparently according to the sources I read the development kits for the Jagaur were never fully completed. That combined with the fact devs were not used to coding for multiple cpus. Very few games if any fully took advantage of the Jaguar hardware. Proof of this is how most games target one Cpu and are direct ports of Atari computer games. It was also meant to compete against the Snes and Genesis so keeping that in mind its vastly superior even if under utilized by game developers.

[@djnoahbeats]

I heard that the developers recently said that the music in Doom had to be removed due to the composer wanting royalties equal to the PC version even though it wouldn't sell very much, so they had to scratch it.

[@crusherbad64]

I've had a complete Atari Jaguar collection for several years now. Even the Jaguar CD and two pro controllers.

[@Forever8Bit]

Wow! That's awesome! A great collection to have, indeed. :)

[@steve9094]

I think it's really cool that people still make homebrew games for the Jaguar, but most of the available titles look like the developers must've relied on the 16-bit 68000 like most developers did back in the 90s. The homebrew titles that I've seen aren't all that impressive IMO, and I think their main appeal is just the fact that they're new games running on a long-dead console. I'm surprised that with all the console's documentation being available online and with years of homebrew developers tinkering with it, nobody has been able to harness its supposed power that games like Doom and AVP hinted at back in the day.

[@thorstenguenther]

There are some games that rap into the Jaguar's capabilities (e.g. those written by Dr. Typo and Reboot), but most are indeed plain Atari ST conversions, sometimes with improved sound, but Atari ST conversions no less.

[@GregsGameRoom]

Jaguar is a great system and I love it. It had nearly everything it needed to defeat the 16-bit titans. Except proper marketing, 3rd party devs, easy dev tools, and lots of compelling original games... What really hurt it was those ports from the 16-bit systems. It left people wondering "What's the point of buying a Jaguar when you could just play the same thing elsewhere?" And for the record, yes, it IS a 64-bit *SYSTEM*.

[@Forever8Bit]

Yes, agreed. So much power in the console to be tapped into.

[@seanmckelvey6618]

I think the marketing side of things was fine, it was the lack of 3rd party support and a consistent line up of compelling software that hurt it the most. It suffered from a similar issue that the 3DO suffered from, and that's the fact that the problem with being ahead of the pack technologically is that you have a hard time finding people who have the skills required to get the best out of it. The Sega Saturn also had a similar problem, the technology was there but developers weren't really experienced enough yet to truly get the best from the hardware. The Jaguar came out in that uncomfortable transition period when everyone was still largely in 16-bit mode.

[@MaxAbramson3]

64-bit graphics pipeline, at least.

[@mikicerise6250]

What's the point of having a bajillion colors without a CPU capable of rendering them fast enough to be playable?

[@MaxAbramson3]

@@mikicerise6250 The 32-bit RISC processor in the Jaguar was pushing nearly 30 MIPS and would've given the PS1 CPU a hard time head to head. Had FLARE been given enough time to work out the scoreboarding bugs in that CPU and GPU, the Jag CD would've given the PS1, Saturn, and N64 a run for their money.

[@SuperHyphyOne]

Defender 2000 is one that gets often overlooked. It has arcade style gameplay, with extra modes. I like the Defender Classic mode that looks exactly like the old arcade, but with smoother graphics and better pixel animation.

[@Forever8Bit]

It's a gem, for sure. I've always marveled at people that cam jam on DEfender, especially the arcade version with all of the controls on the panel. It's a beautiful thing to behold.

[@onlysublime]

Defender 2000 was trash. they messed up the gameplay big time. because the viewpoint was so small, you couldn't really fly fast or else you would run into something. the other modes were better than the newest mode. It's funny how offended Minter was at the response to Defender 2000.

[@cryptocsguy9282]

@onlysublime Well at least he made tempst 2000 which is a classic. Had defender 2000 been better maybe the Jaguar would have sold A LITTLE better lol. I think Atari were onto something with this idea of 2.5D & 3D remakes of classic Atari franchises from the arcade & 2600 that would have appealed to early gamers & 3D remakes of 8bit Lynx games like blue lightening. Unfortunately the implementations could have been better 😕.

[@autofox1744]

I got myself a Jaguar a few weeks back! Waiting on my GameDrive and a couple of 6-button controllers now!

[@larryinc64]

I love these kinds of videos, always lookin' on the bright side of life. I got a Jaguar a while back and I've been looking for more games on it. It's amazing how Matel in 1999 was just like "yeah go wild on it, no license requires"

[@Forever8Bit]

Indeed! Amazing that it's an open platform. It's lead to so many great ports and original homebrews for it.

[@tical2399]

That's called being delusional.

[@cryptocsguy9282]

@@tical2399 how?

[@A31Chris]

Songbirds productions has new game releases

[@jeremyf9124]

Hasbro bought Atari so they could license the 70s and 80s games to newer platforms. The Jaguar only sold about 150,000 units, so it’s not worth the cost to protect it legally. Hasbro realizes fandoms equal free advertising. Some game companies don’t get that (Nintendo).

[@stevew8513]

Some of my favorites that you didn't mention were I-War, Missile Command 3D, Battlemorph, and Zero-5. Okay, maybe not Zero-5; the difficulty is a bit too high on that one, although it looks dang pretty. I have the majority of the Jaguar library, bought back in the day with what little money I could scrape together. I was always an Atari fan, so I was predetermined to love the Jag. It's just a shame the Tramiels couldn't do a better job with it.

[@Forever8Bit]

I dig I-War too. Very TRONesque. I kinda made that word up. But I think you know the reference since you like the game too. It's a really good Jag game.

[@Left-Earth]

I didn't realize that the Jaguar had a Homebrew scene. Pretty cool! 👍✨

[@Forever8Bit]

It's an incredible group of coders and artists that make up that scene. Great people turning out great games.

[@kevinedward6132]

Nice video, On the 3DO DooM mentioned it's worth looking up what exactly happened with that port and then why it's terrible becomes apparent and somewhat amazing that it even works at all.

[@Forever8Bit]

No doubt. Such a rushed port and missed opportunity to position the 3DO in a better light with gamers of the era.

[@SudrianTales]

@@Forever8Bit If Heinemann had the console from the start, it would've been among the top ports given the miracles she pulled on development.

[@JetScreamer_YT]

I love my Jag! I have the Game Drive, and a 3d printed Dpad. That fixes the bad control, and you don't need to buy expensive games. I'm enjoying this console much more than I thought I would.

[@Forever8Bit]

So cool! If only things had gone differently back when it was on the shelves. Could have been a real powerhouse.

[@k.k9206]

Really cool! I didnt know their was such a large homebrew community for that console. I picked up a virtual boy with a flasg cartridge and they too have a decent sized homebrew community

[@Forever8Bit]

Virtual Boy is underrated. Some of the games are awful, but some are quite good. Wario, anyone? :)

[@k.k9206]

@@Forever8Bit You're not wrong! Wario is an excellent game. But boy water world is one of a kind haha.

[@nightwingnl5354]

The jaguar has in my opinion one of the best wolfenstein 3d ports I've played

[@Forever8Bit]

Agreed! It really looks sharp. Keeps the quality even as you zoom in on walls, doors, and objects. A super port.

[@jh5124]

That Rebooteroids game actually looks like someone rewrapped the game right before it and resold it.

[@Forever8Bit]

It's a really fun game. If you get the chance, give it a go.

[@itsdanielpaul]

I love that I'm one of the few in the demographic who sees "the truth about Jaguar" and HAS to watch it 😂

[@Forever8Bit]

You know how sometimes movies have to go out of theaters for decades to later become cult classics? I think that's happened with the Jag. A lot of folks now see it as a classic. And that's cool. There's value in the preservations of all consoles, no matter how public opinion sways. And at the end of they day, if you or anyone loves the Jag or any other console, it's good for gaming.

[@PixelPusher1]

Someone tell Atari I'm still waiting for that Jaguar VR...

[@Forever8Bit]

You also? I'll defer my place in line and let you be at the front. :)

[@onlysublime]

great job! you actually covered games that gamers never got to play on the Jag because the games were released toward the end of the Jag's life when Atari didn't have money to market or distribute. So games like Power Drive Rally never got the attention they deserved. NBA Jam TE was definitely the best version out there.

[@Forever8Bit]

Thanks! I love the Jag. I think the thing that has revolutionized it in the modern era is the easy access to RGB cabling and connectivity. I run mine through a TINK 5X with a Jag to SCART cable. What a massive difference from the days of RF. :)

[@onlysublime]

@@Forever8Bit I ran it thru a catbox. I loved that device. It let me connect it to an Atari ST 1224 monitor.

[@Tolbat]

Doom music was left out because they rushed the game out, if they had a few more weeks the music would be in the game also. The issue was space on the carts and learning curve of the Jaguar.

[@Forever8Bit]

Yeah, the Jag does have a steep learning curve. If only it had a different outcome, it could have been a dominant system.

[@TeeroyHammermill]

@Tolbat: The music plays between the levels so it's in the code. They probably turned it off during gameplay to prevent taxing the hardware.

[@Tolbat]

@@TeeroyHammermill it is being readded, actually it already has, they are making Doom 2 now.

[@gcolombelli]

Don't forget the crippling hardware bugs in the Tom and Jerry chips and the lack of decent SDK and documentation at launch. Atari inadvertently shot themselves in the feet by rushing the design and validation of hardware. When they found out about the bugs, they were faced with a really difficult decision: either fix the bugs, delay the release by 6~12 months and take a huge financial loss, or release buggy hardware, hope it wasn't that bad and that the damage to their reputation wouldn't doom the company while they tried to recover some money to fix the issues on the next generation. I really wish Atari had better luck back then, but they took too many risks and it looks like everything that could go wrong did go wrong. If they weren't in such a terrible financial situation, maybe they could have played a safer strategy. But alas, things are never easy in such cut-throat competitive businesses such as home computers and video game consoles.

[@jbponzi1]

If it wasn’t for the Atari Jaguar, there might not be a Midwest Gaming Classic here in Milwaukee. For those who might not remember it stared out as JagFest 2k1.

[@Forever8Bit]

Nice! Glad that the Jag led to that great convention.

[@XV250]

The Jaguar is one of my favorite consoles, precisely because it's an oddball underdog. There are some crummy releases on it - but it does have some really decent games, and not just AvP or T2K.

[@Forever8Bit]

I love a good underdog. When PC gaming was coming into its own, I owned an Amiga 500. I still do. I love that thing.

[@randyfemrite7525]

HoverStrike is still one of my favorites.

[@Achten787]

I recently found and started Doom 32X Resurrection. A port of the Jaguar game to the 32X. Being that I owned a 32X and only had Doom (packed in game) for it. I’m amazed on how much better the Jaguar version is over the 32X.

[@fistfulofgamepad]

Great video. Iv recently got a Jaguar and I’m loving it, DOOM is a fantastic game, I prefer without the music as it’s way creepier.

[@Forever8Bit]

Thank you! Yes, Doom does indeed have a different kind of horror vibe without the music. It's a super port of the game.

[@ALM1GHTY.PEANUT]

I actually enjoy Doom more with no music back in the day.

[@Forever8Bit]

It definitely has more of a horror vibe that way. And when you get to choose your own tunes for the background, it's even cooler than the stock tunes anyway.

[@jmac79ers]

I just discovered your channel today, really enjoying your content. Refreshing to have someone pick out the positives in otherwise less popular consoles and games.

[@Forever8Bit]

Awesome! Glad you are here to enjoy the channel! Imagine how much positivity I bring to other things in life too. :)

[@CasperEgas]

What makes it interesting is that a lot of games on it are unique to the system. Have most games for this console, excluding some very late (aftermarket?) releases. For me the trade off in Doom wasn't worth it at all. Without the music it loses so much for me.

[@Forever8Bit]

Agreed. Some great original IPs to explore.

[@Cyberbrickmaster1986]

First party Atari Jaguar titles are also legally obtainable in the Atari 50th Anniversary Collection, which is one of the best retro gaming compilations of all time.

[@kevinvanneste2500]

I really hope someone will make a game that uses the full power of the jag it's more powerful than the 3do

[@Forever8Bit]

It has a lot under the hood, for sure. And there are some great homebrew titles out there striving to achieve just that.

[@ArneChristianRosenfeldt]

No

[@kevinvanneste2500]

@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt what do you mean?

[@quantumleaper]

Tempest 2000, Doom and AvP were my favorite games on the Jag. I do wish more Jag games were included in Atari50 but I understand why there are so few.

[@Forever8Bit]

It's really cool that Jag games even got a re-release in 2022, isn't it? I can't say I saw that one coming. And that's a good thing. :)

[@MelancoliaI]

In the early 2000s you could pick up a new Jaguar, never opened, in its box for 30 bucks. That's how I got mine. A lot of the games were available new as well. Got AvP in its shrinkwrap for 50. Not anymore lol.

[@Forever8Bit]

That's awesome! The market for them really has shifted quite a bit. Maybe the understatement of the year there. :)

[@PatrickIngham21]

In the UK you could get a brand new one for about £20-£30 and copies of common games like Doom for £1 each

[@krisbedgood6055]

What is it with so many Atari games with no music, and mindless repetitive play with no goal or ending other than high score. Games need to have more substance.

[@Forever8Bit]

I get that. There was a lot of opportunity for killer apps on the Jag. Thank goodness there is a vibrant homebrew community out there taking up the mantle!

[@saurondp]

You obviously haven't played many Atari games that came after the 2600.

[@HeadlockedGaming]

I wonder how hard it is to find repair work for a Jag if I make the buy and need to fix it years down the road. I'm really interested now. Great look at it.

[@Forever8Bit]

Cool! There's some well documented repair documentation out ther to help repair and upgrade modders keep these systems going. One of the most common issues is people using an incorrect power adapter with them and killing power to the board. Fortunately, it almost always knocks out the same three components, which are readily available at places like Console5, which will bring the Jag right back to live with a proper power adapter.

[@Reality_Checkmate]

Around the time I graduated high school, a friend bought the Jaguar and most of the games at K-Bee toys for like 96% off. She spent $90 for 5 grocery bags filled with Jaguar stuff. Let's be honest. It was bad. Really, really bad. Most of the games look & play like they were made in Poland and the controller was almost the size of the console. What were they thinking!? Still fun after a few beers but I do remember puking because one of the games gave me motion sickness, probably that monstrosity at 4:50. 🤢🤮

[@kevinnichols4105]

Great video as usual! Cool games to be sure but there is no way I can afford it.

[@Forever8Bit]

I went to a retro game store in Columbia, SC a couple of months ago. They said they couldn't sell Jags for more than $50 two years ago. My, have the prices risen!

[@artemusprine]

I never thought much about it at the time, but why didn’t Atari build a computer around the Jaguar silicon?

[@Forever8Bit]

Good point. They unfortunately canceled everything they were working on and went all-in on the Jag. Whoops.

[@artemusprine]

@@Forever8Bit Total missed opportunity... Six months more development time on the chips and the resources to put out a Falcon/TT successor and suddenly the '90s get even more interesting...

[@artemusprine]

More like six weeks to be honest. But they never had the war chest to do battle with Sony. Matsushita knew they didn't, and that killed 3DO and their M2 tech.

[@Area51UFOGynaecology]

love the jaguar, cool system and nice games, just dosent have a very large library

[@Forever8Bit]

Agreed! I love it too. Small library, indeed. Thank goodness there are som bangers for it.

[@maxipaduk]

Loved my Jaguar and Jag CD and wish I'd never traded it in.

[@madigorfkgoogle9349]

of course you do, today that combo is worth around 2k USD.

[@Forever8Bit]

Ouch! Imagine walking into a GameStop today and asking to trade in a Jag. The times, they have a changed.

[@calebprenger3928]

the prices are out of control. The system in box should be worth no more than $100

[@Forever8Bit]

I went to a local retro gaming store a few months back that said they were selling them for $50 a few years ago. Thing was, they were actually selling them. They were just asking that price for them and no one was buying them. Times sure have changed.

[@fossil-bit8439]

I always looked at Atari as the Studebaker of the video game world. They were around longer in that market (yes I know Nintendo was a company long before making toys), did some unique things, but in the end just didn’t have the funding to compete with the big three (if you include PlayStation).

[@soccerojdoj]

Atari was more like the Tucker Automobile👍

[@robertzendejas8349]

Alien Vs Predator for the Jaguar is one of the best iterations of that IP. It still holds up after all these years. The Atari Lynx was a cool handheld. The Alien vs Predator for the Lynx was mostly finished, ha I was able to get a legitimate cartridge of AvP for the Lynx.

[@tarstarkusz]

11:00 There is absolutely nothing special or amazing about the 10 year old game (compared to the Jaguar hardware) to the Jag. The Jag should be able to run the game with absolutely no problem. I want to see the STE metal slug ported to the Jaguar.

[@needlessdragon3368]

Awesome retrospective! We were a "one-console-per-generation" family so the Jaguar is uncharted territory for me :)

[@Forever8Bit]

I grew up that same way! One console at a time, one computer at a time. What a great time to have access to so many consoles!

[@needlessdragon3368]

@@Forever8Bit Absolutely, brother! I have 8 consoles plugged in to my living room TV at the moment. Spoiled for choice!!

[@Gaming-Enthusiast]

Got my Jaguar as it got discounted . Bought my Jaguar and jag cd and had it stored for 6 yrs before diving back into it

[@Forever8Bit]

Awesome! Both are great to have and still fun to this day. Glad you got them before the prices went a bit cuckoo.

[@CZpersi]

I find it sad that Jaguar games are not being re-released on retro-systems like Evercade. This console would deserve more love and recognition

[@BusyAir]

Pound for pound, the Lynx is the superior Atari system.

[@bitset3741]

If they had added a composite output with higher res, it would have been a better home console. I think they just really wanted 64bit.

[@diablomozart]

i really liked iron soldier as well

[@Forever8Bit]

It's a very cool game, isn't it? :)

[@soccerojdoj]

I would've enjoyed hearing the "Jaguar Roar" sound @ 00:25 instead of that screen swish noise...🐯

[@Imgema]

The Jaguar home-brew games are a disappointment to say the least. None is nearly takes advantage of the hardware. While on 32X you get stuff like DOOM Resurrection.

[@Forever8Bit]

DOOM Resurrection is incredible. The 32X is such a capable piece of kit. Glad to see it still gets the love it deserves.

[@JJbm4233]

Love your video I’m a fan of the Jaguar but can’t get the hardware. I wish somebody would do a video on porting Jaguar games to the steam deck Especially since the 50th anniversary game pack was released.

[@Forever8Bit]

That would be super cool! Jag on the go!

[@akfreed6949]

I had the Jaguar WITH the CD add-on and loved it

[@Forever8Bit]

Awesome! There are some absolute bangers to be enjoyed on the Jag. And you get to say, "Let's play some Jag!" :)

[@zombee38]

I sold one CIB for $120 ..I owned twice the system...and yes it's JUNK..box art console and carts looks cool though but that's it

[@Forever8Bit]

I get that. It's definitely not a game system for everyone. And the prices are just spiraling out of control these days. I was at a retro game store in Columbia, SC a couple of mohths ago, and they said they can't keep them in stock anymore. Only a couple of years ago, they couldn't sell them for more than $50 - with only limited interet. The times sure have changed!

[@miked4377]

i like how you show the strengths of these overlooked or obscure and thought of as bad....i love collecting these kind of consoles....and japan is my favortie computers and retro consoles! the mecca in my book!

[@Forever8Bit]

Thank you! I'm so glad you enjoy the channel. Lots of positivity going on around here!

[@miked4377]

@@Forever8Bit yep!!

[@Optimus6128]

Doom was on of the most impressive on the Jaguar compared to other ports (execpt PS1). I am still fighting to see if I can improve the performance on OptiDoom for 3DO (I want to go back to this project and try again). Meanwhile, I never understood the fuzz with AVP. I tried it on my real Jaguar. It's like a more wolfenstein style of maps, with choppy framerate. Doom is definitelly better, but I hear some Jaguar fans to praise AVP over Doom. Is it just because of it's use of higher res textures and moody lighting? (which is really baked on the textures seems) p.s. Also Jaguar, whether one hates it or loves it, is pretty interesting (but hard) platform to program. If I had time from my 3DO activities, I'd look at it..

[@MylesSmith-q4y]

The Atari Jaguar was not only one the most mocked and scoffed systems but it was also one of the most misconcepted systems

[@ArneChristianRosenfeldt]

What is a concept? Design, system architecture. I would say the concept is: unified, fast page DRAM, on chip cache memory and a memory controller integrated with the GPU. Sounds okay so far. Primary Cartridge for random access because RAM was still a bit too expensive to load full levels from CD.

[@MylesSmith-q4y]

@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt I meant there was even some misinformation put out about it.

[@Reality_Checkmate]

@@ArneChristianRosenfeldt The games were trash & the controller was the size of a Cadillac Eldorado and it even had a freaking a NUMBER PAD on it... because they learned NOTHING from the abysmal Atari 5200! HA HA! We NEED to know the hardware specs on that! Just kidding, nobody really cares. LOL.

[@sirjohnmandeville7488]

Is the footage here emulated? The game speed on Doom looked really all over the place compared to irl.

[@mikel6989]

I wouldn't mind having a jaguar but theres no way I would pay anywhere close to what they are going for now a days. Way too much money.

[@Forever8Bit]

I agree. They are super pricey. I think, maybe, 2023 will see a decrease in retro game pricing that will bring some of these kinds of consoles back in line.

[@cramsa]

It's one thing to collect the thing, BUT in contemporary times it failed MASSIVELY FOR LOGICAL REASONS. Almost everyone I knew who games in high school liked to play video games at the arcade and Jaguar had almost NO ARCADE PORTS (no street fighter, no mortal combat etc.) The graphics were ABYSMAL compared to arcade machines like neogeo, playstation and saturn. If someone was gifted it back when it first game out, it was considered a major disapointment! I personally put the Jaguar even lower than the garbage panasonic 3DO. Jaguar is only better than the philips CDI.

[@HB-mj2jz]

I still have my own near mint boxed Jaguar with about 10 boxed games from my youth. Always loved the console. Never understood why it is so hated and underrated.

[@michaeldunn5788]

I'm not the only one that did not see a reason to buy correct?

[@Forever8Bit]

It's a very personal preference, and either way is right. I applaud anyone that keeps retro gaming going, especially at a high personal cost like the Jag in 2022. Maybe, one day, they'll be back down to $50 again. :)

[@MrXanderthegreat1]

Atari karts you cant forget that

[@Forever8Bit]

It has a solid following, for sure. Oh, to have an 11th game spot on the list. :)

[@kanedaku]

I LOVED my Jaguar. Everyone loved the roar on boot. Out of the seven or eight games I had, Raiden made your OG list. I seemed to remember wanting Road Rash? I think it was scheduled to be released, can't remember if it ever was.

[@Zeitgeistmusic997]

I remember bugging Electronic boutique all the time for the date Mortal Kombat or Street Fighter Alpha was coming out for the Jaguar....a lil' later I kept calling about Street Fighter 3 for the N64

[@Forever8Bit]

Any luck with them? Just kidding. Thanks for sharing the memories though!

[@noop9k]

Played a scratchy aliased sample: "It doesn't sound scratchy at all!" Cannon Fodder - exists on multiple platforms. Raiden - considered a bad port Star wars - cool, but it's a mouse game downgraded to gamepad controls..

[@craftymulligar]

Dont forget that terminator game on the gamecube. Atari did make cool alright games. Dont know about the consoles though.

[@Destroyer.no.XV.after-Rome]

No music for Doom was a big fail for me personaly. I like the ost of the game. Anyway, I had a PC (not mine only, more a family PC, I didn't have the money to have my own PC hehehe) with a 486 cpu and a SoundBlaster sound card to play Doom.

[@alexxbaudwhyn7572]

Exactly. Never understood why such a big deal re Doom on 32x, Jaguar. By 1995+, most homes had at least a 486 or even a higher speed 386 with vga, svga cards and sound blasters and clones. By 1994-95, Dos gaming was in its golden age, and by the late 90s directx windows gaming took over.

[@lfarmega5099]

Only gripe I have is Rayman as CASUAL gameplay lol.

[@Forever8Bit]

Yeah, "casual" is a term deciphered through the eye of the beholder. Wait, that was a way overly wordy way to say that. :)

[@SparkyMK3]

I love the original Rayman, I really do, but 'casual gameplay'? That game gets so punishingly hard that it made me want to smash my fist thru the TV at points, ESPECIALLY when I got to Space Mama's Crater! Whats worse is that in the Jaguar version, you lose all your fist power-ups if you so much as take a hit! Ouch!

[@Forever8Bit]

It's a great game, isn't it? My wife is a Rayman junkie. Plays any version of it on any system, including the new mobile versions. So fun!

[@SparkyMK3]

@@Forever8Bit That I agree on! I love all of the Rayman games!

[@hummushero9428]

Not hating on the Jaguar but I never understood how a system that was basically slightly higher powered than the SNES or Genesis sold for the price they marketed it at. It seemed like a 24 bit system not 64 this became apparent when the N64 hit.

[@Forever8Bit]

No doubt. I think they lost their footing as soon as they shipped it with Cybermorph. It drew immediate comparisons to Star Fox, and deservedly so.

[@sleepwalker29]

N64 is 32 bit

[@hummushero9428]

@@sleepwalker29 32 x 2 = 64

[@katseazzz]

come on jag was a lot more powerful than snes..it just had awful programmers that they didn't know how to make games for this tech..you don't actually believe that AVP can be played on snes right?

[@katseazzz]

@@sleepwalker29 no its 16 bits

[@gaminginstilllife9429]

they needed to get more RPG's and come out with partnerships with SNK, Konami and Capcom

[@stevensavoie856]

I'm kinda glad my mom misunderstood me when I said I wanted a Jaguar for Christmas. She thought I wanted a car.

[@msd5808]

Did you get an XJ220 that Christmas?

[@stevensavoie856]

@@msd5808 IDK the one I got. I wasn't even old enough to drive yet.

[@larrytaylor2692]

I take it those people never played nba jam on PlayStation

[@Forever8Bit]

It's really good on the PS. Glad to see it get some respect here.

[@joefell5311]

I've never heard anyone call ID Software as "eye-dee" before today. That's nitpicking but fun video nonetheless. My only issue I take with the Jag is that I have a feeling nobody really understood how to get the most out of the hardware because some games are no better than Sega 32x games in my opinion. Would have been cool to see what could have been if it stayed longer.

[@Forever8Bit]

Yeah, I mispronounced it. A stupid holdover from my misprouncing it back in the day too. Old habits die hard. 🤣

[@joefell5311]

@@Forever8Bit 😂

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

Hemorrhoids and Maelstrom on original MacOS were the best asteroids game ever

[@Forever8Bit]

Maelstrom was epic. And shareware, no less!

[@PatrickWard4]

Man, major nostalgia video. We had the game hover strike. I have no clue what happened to our console. Probably sold in a garage sale for some super low price (facepalm). I loved the little card inserts that could slip in for that multi button pad on the controller.

[@dbfalcao]

Excellent video! Thanks for Sharing!

[@jujujuugg444]

I got my Jag for free around 1994. Nah, not that bad. AVP was on ok game. Had a couple of nasty bugs for game developers, and 3rd party support was not at required level. Now we know that it was tough time even for PS1 to succeed, so.. I think Atari could have been better off with something completely different. Nuon was a nice try, bought one of those while I was in Texas (2001)..

[@jonniefast]

im glad i got one before prices got out of control 🥺

[@Forever8Bit]

Indeed! I saw one for sale yesterday on AtariAge for $400 and thought, "That's not too bad of a price." My, how the times have changed.

[@opaljk4835]

I don’t even know who the heck is plunking down that amount of money for these things. I would be down to play all this stuff if it were affordable

[@grandmastere2444]

Atari Jaguar is the best

[@Forever8Bit]

I love mine. One you get past the narrative surrounding it, there's a lot to enjoy with the system and its library of games.

[@cyrollan]

I'm new to the Jaguar... Do you, or anyone else, know how to achieve the best video quality from the console? I'm considering Jag to SCART and then SCART to component or something. It'll be costly and I don't know how much better it will look than the composite cable.

[@Forever8Bit]

Absolutely. I use SCART from my Jag to a RetroTINK 5X. I don't think you can go wrong with SCART or component out of it. It can product a super high quality image, even without the upscaling. I grabbed my SCART cable from Retro Gaming Cables in the UK. Good prices and VERY high quality cables.

[@mrmods7912]

Donkey Kong country for the Snes... RIP Atari Jaguar!

[@juggalo4life247mfrs]

I bought the jaguar when it first came out.i had alot of fun,but once the Saturn came out,I moved onto the better platform.

[@Forever8Bit]

I know what you mean. I have a Saturn also and really dig it. Was highly underrated at launch. Wait, highly underrated system that people love today? Hmm... might make for a good video. :)

[@joeeeeeeeeeeeee66666]

Remember that caveman game?

[@Forever8Bit]

I sure do! I own it. It's called Dino Dudes. It's a really cool puzzler in a similar style like Lemmings. I dig it.

[@FIDreams]

00:10 because old consoles are hot right now. This guys knows that it isn't just exclusive to the Jaguar right?

[@Forever8Bit]

I sure do. :)

[@seekerrsa8275]

Where did you learn to fly?

[@ScoopDogg]

Except it wasnt 64bit it was running two custom 32-bit processors - named Tom and Jerry aka 32x

[@ArneChristianRosenfeldt]

Gouraud shading and 1/z interpolation acts on vectors of 4 components with 16 bit each. Alternating because the blitter only has one ALU for this. I just wish that it would interpolate the first 16 bit across the span and then do the fine interpolation into the other 3 components in a second pipeline stage. As it is, the poor 32 bit GPU has to set up 4 starting components..for some patterns? This can’t even be explained away by the design tools because you could still wire this up from 16 bit ADCs and registers.

[@jdmcknight41]

2 words for you... "" COLLECTORS ITEM!!!! ""

[@garethbeaton8414]

Miss my old one AVP was ace day one yes I needed so bad we cent buy pc but got jaguar with I had vr for it

[@garethbeaton8414]

Cheats with pad was a hack like thing

[@Forever8Bit]

I didn't have one back in the day. But one of my best friends did. We played AVP a lot on it. So much fun!

[@garethbeaton8414]

@@Forever8Bit really wanted pc one but it's ace the pad with overlays on it mad sens thort it can only get better

[@poppinhoff4339]

GameDrive for the win! Great video, NBA JAM and wolfenstein look particularly crispy compared to some other versions I've played

[@Forever8Bit]

They do, indeed! The Jag was, and still is, a capable platform. Still getting new content even today. And that's a big win for Jag fans worldwide!

[@CaptainReynolds-flyinspace]

Have a 128 bit on board and play almost 8 bit games on it. Wow.

[@ajboomer1347]

I just bought an Atari Jaguar today (at the time this comment was posted).

[@Fools_Requiem]

No Pitfall?

[@xplics]

Excellent video I subbed

[@ZylonBane]

Nothing says "gaming expert" like a guy who pronounced Id as "I.D."

[@Forever8Bit]

Guilty as charged. :)

[@miljororforsprakpartiet290]

So... $1500 just to play Doom and Wolfenstein, and hear Japan music in Atari Karts? Hm...

[@VOAN]

For back then that would be awesome but for now there's multiple ways to play full blown Doom and Wolfenstein 3D on various platforms without breaking the bank.

[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

The Jag is a terrific system. But put yourself in Atari's place--they just don't have the mega-capital and Japanese distribution it takes to really make money in the home gaming market. Every indication we've heard from Atari suggests that they will continue to support the Jag--their fan base is loyal and I'm sure they wouldn't let them down. Clark Stacey Beyond Games"

[@SerdceDanko]

They had tons of money, its their own fault that they wasted it.

[@thefurthestmanfromhome1148]

​@@SerdceDankothey only had §50 million in the bank, absolute peanuts compared to Sega or Nintendo.

[@resist4184]

Hang on cannon fodder features 1st for jag and 3do!😮

[@DontrelleRoosevelt]

Everything is "narrative" now, so no, I haven't heard about this.

[@RISCGames]

DO THE MATH!

[@Forever8Bit]

I think for some games and developers, the sum was 68000. :)