The Truth Behind Lord of the Rings Desecration

Lord of The Rings: The Rings of Power season 2 is nearing release on Amazon Prime. But alongside Lord of the Rings: The War of the Rohirrim would these be classed as on part with J. R.R. Tolkien's original trilogy? Frodo and the fellowship destroyed the one ring and Sauron, but Rings of Power seeks to show their creation. Do JD Payne and Patrick McKay have the ability to match Tolkien's writing? Or is there something different in Hollywood that prevents them being able to reach the quality of those stories. Is Rings of Power season 2 on Amazon Prime worth watching?
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[@disparutoo]

Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power and The War of the Rohirrim are just months away and what we know, is shaping up as you would expect. But the problems with Lord of the Rings seem to highlight a consistent problem in Hollywood as a whole. Comparing them to Tolkien simply makes this more evident as he was so much better than they are at writing, with significantly more life experience. This seems counter productive that our writers have less life experience than ever before, while feeling that they need to put themselves into the entertainment more than anyone else. With this in mind, Hollywood isn't just going after the wrong audience, they're making such niche pieces of work that only the creators might actually enjoy it. What if the only people Hollywood are willing to hire given their priorities, are people incapable of writing heroes. What if the only solution, is wholesale new hires in the industry? And what impact is this having on War of the Rohirrim and Rings of Power? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)

[@MS-iy6cm]

Still the best addendum on the debate.

[@skibidi.G]

So, I was thinking, back in the 70s there was much more social coherence within western countries. Globalization was a mistake.

[@MrSphandor]

Tolkien also had his buddies in Oxford, you know Cs Lewis and a bunch of other Oxford bloody professors when that still meant you were hugely intelligent help him to make the work better. And these morons think they can write something to match that?

[@Wheelie2077]

​@MrSphandor It's even worse, they think that they can improve on Tolkien!

[@brockdavid]

This reminds me of how Saladin tried to debase and demean Christian women during the Crusades to try to demoralize men, to try and convince them that there was nothing worth fighting for. These Archon worshipping whack jobs don’t change Their SOPs often, They don’t have the grey matter for it.

[@Lonovavir]

My Babushka once told me, I don't care what they tell you in school, Rings of Power isn't canon. She also told me the power of tea is greater than the power of wigs.

[@crazylegs1823]

The Sea is always RIGHT!

[@alexneff]

Da

[@simdal3088]

@@crazylegs1823 The power of many, just doling out wisdom at every turn it seems 😂

[@N.S.M.C1999]

The question is did she teach you how to spell you put great instead of greater

[@N.S.M.C1999]

Sorry, meant form a sentence

[@wumpusrat]

"She's headstrong, she's fierce, she's complex, she's rebellious..." So...she's going to be another standard modern-day "girlboss" type. Gotcha. Skip it.

[@brainflash1]

Isn't that Eowen?

[@christophertaylor9100]

Exactly, yawn

[@Mereologist]

@@brainflash1 Eowen is not only not a GIRLBOSS, she's almost the OPPOSITE of one. In fact, if you want the archetype of Eowen, you want the same one they used to build Captain America: she's someone who knows indisputably that she is comparatively weak and untrained, but who feels so strongly pulled to do SOMETHING that she keeps trying to volunteer anyway. She's the soldier who lied about her age to enlist. And she doesn't go on to prove she's 'as good as any man'... in fact she accomplishes almost nothing on the field of battle and would have died pathetically if not for the amazing coincidence that the hobbit who felt the same as she did happened to have a dagger forged a thousand years ago to kill specifically the one foe she did end up fighting and she magickally (guided by Ilu) happened to meet the conditions of the Witch-King's fabled end. And then she's an invalid for the rest of the story, stained by evil and left behind to slowly recover.

[@coyoteone6197]

"She's complex." Press X to Doubt.

[@Likexner]

@@Mereologist She wasnt a girlboss per se but she definitely was a feminist. She risked being killed as one of the only two descendants of the king, and for what? She knew she would be of little use in battle. She knew she would have been far better employed keeping things running at home in the absence of the men who went to war. Yet she still stubbornly disobeyed and did the stupid thing. I dont see that as a virtue. Also, her "i Am nO mAn" moment felt cringe and contrived. Its awfully convenient that she just happened to be the one who could kill the WK, because she didnt have dangly bits.

[@stonedog5547]

"Have you any idea what kind of noise happens when somebody's stabbed in the back?.........Because I do." Christopher Lee Experience counts for a lot.

[@Lttlemoi]

This guys life reads like an action thriller.

[@stevenscott2718]

@@Lttlemoi James Bond is a composite character based on real men, Sir Christopher Lee was one of those men.

Somehow hearing that would both be cool as hell but terrifying at the same time.

@@stevenscott2718 Yep, one of the team was going about America banging wives of senators and such, so that one dude was the playboy part of Bond who could and would bang any lady he could.

[@blakecasimir]

@@Lttlemoi An action thriller with a bonus metal album. Lee was truly a King-level human.

[@FlyinBlind]

"Good people understand both good and evil. Bad people understand neither " C. S. Lewis

[@MrMirageCaster]

Christopher Lee refused to scream for Saruman's death scene because he knew, from real world experiences, how people react when being stabbed in the back. He served in WW2, as a soldier and as a field agent. And it was his recounting of what he saw, and did, that made his peers encourage him to become an actor. His experiences shaped his ability to tell stories.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Christopher Lee was a true badass and Renaissance Man.

[@shadowednight1600]

He was a real one. He shall be missed

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

He was also a bonafide sword fighter, and was one of the big reasons why the Star Wars fight scenes with him look so clean, and why he was chosen for Dooku They wanted him to wield them like broadswords, and he was like “why? It’s a laser rapier. I’d kill you way faster with just a little-“ They don’t make men like him anymore

[@庫倫亞利克]

It seems like the age of manly men has come to an end when Tolkien and Christopher Lee passed..

[@shadowednight1600]

@@庫倫亞利克 And from there, the age of soy men. Those horrid soy men....weak men create hard times indeed

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

As a black man who grew up in South Central Los Angeles, I find it INCREDIBLY insulting when these people tell me "You're oppressed. You're weak. You're disenfranchised. We will save you!" I "saved" MYSELF. I went to school in a bad neighborhood. I devoted myself to being the best man I could be despite my mother driving away my father. I resisted the urge to do evil, to join gangs, to steal and become a statistic. PISS OFF!! I am not a victim. I am A MAN! A fighter and a survivor. I did all of that myself with the help of my friends and family. No Hollywood executive was there to see me through that.

[@86BarbOmega]

💯

[@websdaspider8811]

Hell yeah

[@JustIn-mu3nl]

Exactly mate, I've always said it's offensive bs.

[@tiredman4540]

God Speed!

[@Lefty217]

Respect.

[@alexandermccabe556]

"Since it is so likely that children will meet cruel enemies, let them at least have heard of brave knights and heroic courage. Otherwise, you are making their destiny not brighter but darker." - C.S. Lewis

[@GH-ub7qz]

starting in government kindergarten

[@LRTrack]

And turning into Antifa JackSoldiers

[@hesiyyn4880]

To paraphrase another author - fairytales don’t tell children to be afraid of monsters, they tell them that the monsters can be killed

[@jimluebke3869]

@@hesiyyn4880 GK Chesterton, wasn't it?

[@TallisKeeton]

@@GH-ub7qz todays governments policies toward kids, schools, and culture are like Dolores Umbridge toward Hogwart :D

[@billbillinger2117]

"Then darth Jarjar and Bilbo Calrissian slew the jabberwackey, defeated the Clingons, and returned to Narnia." - Amazon LotR prequel pitch

[@davfree9732]

Oooooh, that paragraph of Bobo Biggs where he swooped in and saved F.R.O.D.O.K from Dr Sassymon digivolving... It was everything I ever wanted in a fan fiction.

[@billbillinger2117]

@@davfree9732 ranks right up there with the greats, like when Kirk kicked Sideous in the balls before getting cooked by lightning.

[@Blodhelm]

Extra points because they would definitely misspell Klingons.

[@xipheonj]

@@Blodhelm That actually triggered me more than anything else in that sentence, other than that it's just your standard low quality fanfic.

[@Tr-mx3qs]

You forgot when big foot and the Amazonians came in to help

[@MrMacavity]

I like how we as sane fans of Tolkien almost universally reject Rings of Power, and declare it non-canon.

[@UnitSe7en]

Well, they never received the license to make a real LotR product. So it literally isn't canon. There is no canon to be added. The story is finished. All that exists, exists. LotR doesn't have an "extended universe". Anything that is not the book is not LotR.

[@3-2bravo49]

I declare it an abomination

[@JujFuj]

Rings of power is fanfiction. And bad fanfiction at that

[@sarkastodon30]

​@@UnitSe7en but the producers never outright said this, and treated as Canon. By owning the IP, they kind of inferred it. I'd respect it more if the just came out and said it was just fan fiction.

[@terrystewart1973]

@@JujFuj Yes. There is nothing wrong with fanfiction as long as it doeasn't try to be anything but that. Certainly not when it pretends to be the story that the (real) author meant to write. And there is good fanfiction, which respects the original work, and doesn't try to rewrite characters and things, and above all tells a good story that adds to your appreciation of the original. And then there is bad fanfiction, and The Rings of Power is very bad indeed. Really, any story or TV show set in the Second Age of Middle Earth would have been fanfiction. I was just hoping for something much much better, considering all the story threads and hints Tolkien left.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

This show was so bad, Critical Drinker is now sober.

[@zacharymcmillan2788]

It's all lies,LIES! Rumors spread by deranged RoP fans,to discredit the great man! Nothing can sober up The Critical Drinker,NOTHING! (Except maybe a nice chicken vindaloo,or some fish & chips.) 😂👍

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@zacharymcmillan2788 or a nice kebab at 4 in the morning

[@skylx0812]

He put the extra A in AA and now people call them when they have a flat on the freeway.

[@vincents1087]

CD, probably: “The reports of my sobriety are greatly exaggerated.”

[@jakoparry5453]

Say it isn't so

[@zeroryuj6093]

So long as you have writers who don't believe good and evil exist, who have no moral framework and who are obsessed with "the self", you'll never get a meaningful, lasting story with a true hero or villain again.

[@sianais]

Personally, I think we still get a lot of true villains from their bs. The problem is that they write those villains as heroes. They have no understanding of good and evil or right and wrong, but they keep creating these evil characters they try very hard to pass off as heroes.

[@Tegelane5]

@@sianais Yep, I've wondered honest movie or series of bickering in writers and showrunners room could be quite entertaining. Atleast it's the world they know.

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

The issue is that they wrote their own stories and put the sticker of established lore, history and fiction on it. They don't immerse themselves in the source material and stay true to it. Imagine the witcher series with every writer and producer being as immersed and in love with the books and games as Henry Cavill was.

[@kokocaptainqc]

someone thinking good and evil dont exist should be watched very closely at ALL times

[@tommerker8063]

@@thorwaldjohanson2526 those writers, directors and quite a lot of the actors are just using the story to reflect themselves.

[@wwolfwp61]

Galadriel: "Hit me with all of your strength Sauron."

[@charlieflight6124]

I'm reading this with a very different tone from what you may be intending... Hahaha.

[@wwolfwp61]

@@charlieflight6124 LOL

[@MakinaMakinaMakina]

@@wwolfwp61Punish me daddy Sauron

[@JB-yb4wn]

Then she'll throw a knife at him. OMG.

[@PaulaBean]

Is this referring to the degree of spiceness of a certain dish?

[@grokeffer6226]

👍👍👍 Well put. Tolkien didn't need to be "fixed", "enhanced", or "modernized". His work was superlative the way it was. Amateurs shouldn't have been let near his texts.

[@aaronaukema1284]

Tolkien understood humanity. It was just his "personal experiences" it was his own mindset. He had studied Old English myths and legends, Finnish myths and legends. He had the collective wisdom of humanity at his disposal.

[@kesamek8537]

Not amateurs, those are professional assassins. They mean to kill it.

[@S4ns]

My grandmother once told me, "Don't ever let anyone tell you that's Halbrand in a wig, that is very clearly a completely different person."

[@SojiCalibur]

If they do anything with S2, I hope they play it straight as if he is a different person and nobody recognizes him.

[@harbl99]

Sorry that your nan went completely POTUS in her old age OP.

[@BulgyBoar]

Did they hire your granny to play Celebrimbor, by any chance? It would explain the costume... That said, I'm sure your granny would also have encountered the concept of creating metal alloys.

[@LilRebelYell]

As Tolkien himself said "Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt!"

[@MWhaleK]

Tolkien's novels were the result of a love of old stories and drawing on the years of study that made him a university professor combined with years of work to not just bang out some story to make a quick buck, but to tell a story set in a world he had been lovingly building for years that would be exactly the sort of places his invented languages would have evolved. Tolkien drew on and reference Norse mythology as well as other, much older, pagan beliefs and mixed in more than a bit of his deeply held Catholic beliefs. He draw on his childhood and how the industrial revolution had changed Britian. Using ancient stories that had withstood the test of time to make something new and that hopefully will last just as long.

[@elsmallo]

Despite the travesty of these TV shows, Tolkein's work and influence lives on and flourishes in the hearts of men

[@SammEater]

​@@elsmalloHis work even resonated with people outside of Britain, as I am a non white third worlder that loved reading the books growing up.

[@Jonas-lj8ul]

Combine that with his long-standing and abiding friendship with the estimable C.S. Lewis - one of THE foremost Christian scholars and fiction writers of the time, alongside Prof. Tolkien himself - and you're gonna get stories that ride HARD on the true value of Christian ethics and morality. What the literal f*ck do the degenerates in modern-day, anything goes, "but ma FEELINs" Hollywood know about those things? It's like asking a native Bantu speaker to translate the instructions for a made-in-Japan DVD player into Aramaic.

[@mattiaslarsson5647]

And also his experinces from world war1

[@GeraltofRivia22]

You forgot his experience in WW1. The parts about Frodo having to leave the Shire is straight up about soldiers with PTSD. Or Faramir, the character Tolkien says he most identifies with, leading a suicidal charge across no man's land against a fortified enemy position.

[@Losantiville]

On the battlefield, the smell of death lingers. It clings oppressively to your clothes, your food even water. Stagnant death know to few, that’s real experience. These writers know only throw pillows.

[@MajorSmurf]

Some would say their greatest crisis is getting the wrong order at Starbucks. Truly how they suffered and used that TERRIBLE TERRIBLE experience to inspire them. It's amazing just how little writers experience the real world nowadays.

[@triciacarr5019]

THEY SPELLED MY NAME WRONG ON THE CUP!

[@seansmith4513]

Human death is a VERY particular smell. It absolutely permeates throughout the whole battlefield. Quite literally had a squad mate hand out her tampons for us to cram in our noses, and bless her for that. These people's idea of struggling is deciding which Starbucks coffee to get today.

[@3-2bravo49]

The stink of the dead is usually bad enough, but then you have to smell people cook sometimes. That's a whole different kind of stink. If you get the smoke from them on your uniform, you are going to stink to high hell for God knows how long. It's not exactly easy to go about washing clothes in any combat situation at any point in history. It does affect the way things taste and all that, like you said. The way I tried to explain it was that it felt like there was a nasty coating over my sense of smell and taste, like so many layers of paint or something. What Tolkien smelled was far worse, of course. Thank God he survived the trenches. We could have lost lord of the rings to a small piece of shrapnel to the head. It is sad to think of all the other amazing things that might have been made or written if only this or that person had survived.

[@skylx0812]

Thats carbon atoms that separate in decaying flesh. It bonds with your skin, oil, hair, clothes. In your nostrils and the coppery taste in the mouth. Citric acid fromfeshly squeezed lemon juice can often help break the chemical bond. You have to slather yourself in it.

[@NostyFripples]

“And that’s without seeing modern day Paris” CTFU 😂🤣

[@elsmallo]

Diversity is our strength

[@Professor__S]

​@@elsmallodiversity is like a bowl of punch with a turd floating in it.

[@joba4848]

Diversity built Britain apparently. Must have built France as well. Amazing stuff.

[@msmaria5039]

He's British. What do you expect?

[@FalloutTributeMusic]

I dont think any movie will ever top the Lord of the Rings Trilogy ever... Its just too iconic for its time and even 20 years later it has the same impact.

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

Yes, it was shite.

[@carolyns99]

@@Stevie-L-n8g Yep. I don't understand supposed Tolkien fans lambasting TROP whilst lauding the movie trilogy. It looked great, the casting was fantastic and it wasn't bad in places as an adaptation - but the fact that Aragorn headed off without the sword re-forged was the start of an unstoppable downhill slide.

[@MagicE13]

Jurassic Park 1993. Robocop 1987. Rocky 1976. There quite a few films that have an 'Impact' and 'Iconic' for the 'Time' - Lifeforce 1985. Goonies 1985. Two very different movies both Iconic and Impactful for the Time. Personally - Lord of the Rings - Great. Twin Towers - Good. Return of the King - By this point I am exhausted, good film but more of the same.

[@toolegittoquit_001]

​@@carolyns99I bet your hair is purple 😐

[@whatwhat98]

As much as I enjoyed the trilogy, it still doesn't compare to the original star wars trilogy.

[@MagicE13]

"Looks like Meats BACK on the Menu Boys!" Has very dark undertones for the effect of starvation in War.

[@adaribleabyss4082]

As a person from the U.S.A, it really really sucks being lumped in with the people that make these shows. As someone who grew up watching the Lord of the Rings, and Star Wars, and Marvel movies, and who found Doctor Who in his teens and loved it, seeing Holywood and Disney destroy good franchises sucks so much, and then to hear people say "They're inserting their American values instead and making it bad." really hits where it hurts.

[@RoseBaggins]

That's not American, that's Hollywood's values.

[@darthvader6533]

England has thought police I feel like if its anyones ideas its theirs

[@myarichuk]

This may sound ruthless, but Americans were complacent about Hollywood and their antics for a long, long time. I realized what will happen with Hollywood when I saw what Hollywood did to Starship Troopers story. The issue with Hollywood hasn't started yesterday and yet, Americans as a whole never said anything.

[@lingricen8077]

@@darthvader6533typical insecure yank

[@c99kfm]

@@myarichuk It's not only US directors; The trend was already sloping downwards when the Lord of the Rings trilogy was filmed, as Arwen rather than Glorfindel met the hobbits led by Aragorn approached Rivendell. We didn't recognize it as the time, as the trend was not yet as apparent and as the particulars were handled considerably more deftly by Peter Jackson than by modern writers and directors.

[@Johnsmith-ko9yj]

If the entertainment industry stuck to meritocracy in stead of DEI they wouldn't be failing. Where's this "modern audience" they keep claiming want DEI? My money my choice.

[@Japaneseanimeguy]

According to a certain spicy fox woman and what she uncovered about stuff like BRIDGE (DEI but implemented into every level of everything), the plan is to cultivate it by raising a confused generation that only know this kind of garbage. The entertainment mediums are just a tool for pushing the ideology.

[@Likexner]

If they had meritocracy, most of the highly successful people would be XYs and they cant allow that.

[@tkps]

The modern audience is Hollywood itself. They live in a bubble of likeminded convinced there's a load of others out there just like them. After all X and Tik Tok keep making them think it's true as they only refer to locksteppers on those as well. With 6 or 7 years of crap that audience has not materialised. If I were the corporates, I'd be admitting that about now. How much more evidence do they need? I suspect though egos won't allow those dreaded words 'I got it wrong'. Only the owners can chuck them out and until they do (Disney's didn't bother) this won't change but at least we can refuse to indulge them and in my case I'll watch world entertainment, not American.

[@Ron_Jambo_]

Epstein's friends, all of them. They want to push rainbow propaganda on your children so they are easier to bang.

[@wallyman292]

They cannot conceive of the notion that there may be people out there that do not think the way that they do. That is why they fail.

[@timhicks8221]

Sauron destroyed everything in his path. Tony Saprano killed a made man over a horse

[@Blodhelm]

And Walter White just wanted to be appreciated for his talents and leave enough money to his family so they would be taken care of when he was gone. They don't even comprehend what Sauron is.

[@marcelrossi2155]

David chase is on record saying Tony killed Ralph because of Tracee, not the horse. Just saying :)

[@GH-ub7qz]

soprano was a push over

[@sneeringimperialist6667]

Tony shot his own cousin with a shotgun to appease Phil Leotardo. The man was murder looking for an excuse...

[@GH-ub7qz]

@@sneeringimperialist6667 back home, thats just brushing someones teeth... soprano wouldn't have lasted 15 minutes...why Stallone bs mob show is a joke...hed be dead in 3 days

[@silverscorpio24]

The themes in The Lord of the Rings and Hollywood's ideology are diametrically opposed.

[@deez3913]

It was made and shot from non Americans.... But things weren't nearly as bad then as it is now in Hollywood.

[@Lampoluke]

-catholicism -gallantry for men and women -ecologism (real) A bit too much for them

[@wonderveggie]

Didn’t Brave (the Pixar/Disney one) show a good example of the importance of valuing feminine strength? The queen was respected and had authority, but never needed to flail around a sword! One of the main points of the movie was Merida recognizing and learning to respect the strength her mother held, even though it was different from the masculine version her dad demonstrated. We can have powerful fantasy women who are valued for their commitment to duty and family or scheme to bring power to their country WITHOUT making them poorly mimic male fighting. Game of Thrones (for the most part) is also a fantastic demonstration of how men and women show their strength differently and people LOVE that show!

[@MarcLL]

I would also add that there are plenty of examples of women in say, the Norse Sagas who at first glance look like modern girl bosses, but who still "work" within the values of the society. (Which is why I disagree with Disparu here about women and sword fighting: you just give her a magic sword! See: Hervor and Tyrfing in the Hervarar Saga.) It's a shame Brave was promoted so heavily as standard Girl Boss fare (the preview just used the archery scene where she declares she's a strong woman who don't need no man) whereas the film itself is actually very subtle and sympathetic to the mother.

[@dedf15]

"Legends are Lessons..."

[@JesusisliterallyHim]

💯

[@puddintaim261]

“We became flowers feeding on flowers!” - Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451. “Out by the shit house is where the sweetest flowers grow.” - David Byrne

[@AllenBond-c9v]

i'm reminded of an interview with an older comedy writer i saw once. when asked what the difference between him and modern 'comedy' writers he answered, they only took courses in how to write for tv, we read the classics.

[@jimheimerl1637]

Sean Astin's performance as Samwise is an absolute benchmark of breathing believable life into a character that pushed himself to his limits - and beyond - because he HAD to. The alternative was too terrible to imagine. Captivating, just captivating. Yeah, Sam was the real hero of the story, and Sean Astin put that on film fantastically. This modern-day crap? "I'm super gay/insane/whatever and gee whiz I need EVERYONE to know it, so I'm going to write a show based on someone else's respected works and shove in (painfully) my own personal experiences (some real but most imagined) that have NOTHING to do with the original story. Yay me!" FFS. Vote with your wallets, folks.

[@EvilDoresh]

He really _nailed_ the role of the Hobbit as an unlikely hero.

[@brolohalflemming7042]

That was also a part that could have been modernised out of Tolkien's class-based conscious. Sam telling Frodo to man up, grow some balls and get up that f'ng hill. Sir. Or the Amazon/Disney version would have Sam as a woman, taking the ring from Frodo because they just don't need a man to do a woman's job.

[@EvilDoresh]

@@brolohalflemming7042 And she'd wear the ring the entire time with no ill effects, for no tool made by a cis het male shall keep her down.

[@michaelnewswanger2409]

As an American, Hollywood shows are not American anymore.

[@SeanMendicino-n3d]

But they are. They are the new normal. What was America is now dead and buried, like the Minoans or the Aztec.

[@michaelnewswanger2409]

@@SeanMendicino-n3d if you believe that you haven't spent enough time with common people.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Hera is a Greek name. Tolkien would never use it for such an obviously Anglo-Saxon inspired culture. So either the writers don't understand Tolkien's work or they don't care. Either way, its gonna suck.

[@tolvaer]

As an American dad, I've been having to start from the beginning with my kids: Humphrey Bogart, Buster Keaton, Red Skelton, Audrey Hepburn, John Wayne and Charlton Heston, David Niven, Richard Burton, etc......before I can even want to try and explain the entropy of storytelling in movies.

[@GH-ub7qz]

should start in the beginning...with Adam

[@tolvaer]

@@GH-ub7qz yeah, we're Christian so I agree

[@GH-ub7qz]

@@tolvaer i didn't spend enough time on it with my 5...i have 2 Christians, and 3 on the fence. It's heartbreaking

[@mattiaslarsson5647]

Christopher lee

[@JETBLACKPRIEST]

@@GH-ub7qz If you've raised them well, then they should be intelligent enough to make their own choices with your full support.

[@starshineraiser6729]

I used to think Tolkien was some dorky phantasy writer, until I read his work. Morgoth and Sauron are brutally terrifying and the exacting definition of evil. It’s the most mind blowing stuff. There’s no way you can get the gist until you really dive in.

[@matthewn4896]

I will never forgive RoP for turning Finrod Felagund from one of the wisest, and most courageous heroes who ever walked Middle Earth, into a half-wit, whose only contribution was sparking Galadriel the Barbarian's revenge quest.

[@andrewmontague9682]

“The right side of history” meaningless phrase that is simply a threat to say “Do as I say or I will make you look bad when I win”.

[@joba4848]

I agree. Such moronic twaddle isn’t it.

[@keldonpremuda2494]

Disparu, I love all of your work, but I think this may be one of the best. Thank you.

[@JoeBauers]

This guy is next level Truth Speaker. Makes me feel sane! 🎉

[@meinname6785]

yep❤

[@Mereologist]

Also makes you smell sane.

[@BulgyBoar]

I have to say, this is the best single-episode dissection of the utter wretchedness of Rings of Power when it comes down to connecting with the deep truths of human experience. I've saved it to my favourites so I can enjoy it again in the future!

[@joba4848]

It really is a fantastic piece or writing in its own right.

[@JoeBauers]

@@joba4848 it’s like a newspaper editorial, but in video essay format. It’s a cogent, passionate argument and I’m all for it.

[@adrenjones9301]

Im still upset galadriel and sauron didnt have a baby, called it Frodo and sent it into the future.

[@Nina-pb9bj]

Your videos are a breath of fresh air, always enjoy watching

[@stosh64]

You have a very good grasp of the shortcomings of 'modern' hollywood.

[@JohnnyScribe]

This shit is physically painful and I’m not joking. On behalf of non-Californian Americans… I’m so so sorry we allowed them to do this. We should have let them declare independence when we had the chance

[@wolfen8622]

I haven’t watched 5s of rings of power. I’ve concluded that the show is probably better unseen and yes, I live in a beautiful world.

[@DylanPWN]

Outside of reviews, I haven't watched any of it either. Even if it was the best thing since the LotR trilogy. I wouldn't care. I simply don't want to support Amazon. Knowing it's a shit show as well makes that super easy.

[@wolfen8622]

@@DylanPWN welcome to the club 🫡

[@bleedingstar1011]

Man, Tennant is mentally just on another planet right now. “They’ll be gone soon.” We will? How? What are you going to do with us?

[@vespenegas261]

Annoy everyone until they go away

[@joba4848]

They will send the brown shirts (or more likely the rainbow shirts) for us soon enough.

[@alamataslim5820]

Disparu, this might be one of the most banger videos I’ve seen you upload. This is the kind of depthful analysis of the mindset of the modern day writer that can’t understand struggle. Fantastic video.

[@Jonas-lj8ul]

It is a rare pleasure to see this quality of intellect at work, Disparu. I dunno how old you are, but my missus and I (both in our fifties) wish we could have conversations with our kids that were HALF as mentally engaging as watching your vids. Keep up the good work, sir.

[@Antagon666]

The Sauron in Rings of Power: "I'M THE ONE WHO SUCKS"

[@dereknewbury163]

Eloquently and powerfully argued and I agree with everything you said. What is especially galling is that writers of shows such as the "Acolyte" don't allow their values to infuse a well constructed story but use dreary characters to preach at us in the most superficial way. They really appear to despise their audience

[@ASoberBear]

Your break downs hit a new level Disperu. Great seeing your channel grow I think it is deserved.

[@Mangolorian-je3eo]

It's legit. Miss Nobody has a long history we need to hear about, like her mom in Aman researching Ungoliant right before she died.

[@vespenegas261]

For the life of me I never understood why Morgoth had his last stand in the volatile fireworks factory...

[@Jonathan_Collins]

The one Show to ruin them all.

[@katthor7311]

I really enjoyed this one, Disparu. A very well put together video that succinctly yet eloquently describes exactly what is wrong with this show and Hollywood at large.

[@OnPointAr]

"Office stock photos".... hahahahahaha.. thats brilliant!!

[@DAZzler3K]

"... and that's without even seeing modern day Paris!" Great! 👍👍👍

[@j0b01231]

Damn, didn’t think I was tuning into a Little Platoon essay. Nice work, Disparu.

[@lingricen8077]

Eh? If you don’t like disparu, why are you watching him? Theres no need to insult him by comparing him to a talentless spoilt zoomer like lp (and he also uses an attractive avatar like a lot of these ugly ‘analysts’ do)

[@exomake_mehorololo]

Everyone in Tolkien's writings including the unnamed deserve better than being ruined by Amazon. Even smaller characters in his writings are relatable and real. They're not empty shells

[@GloriousRAT]

J R R Tolkien, C S Lewis, Gary Gygax, and myself are all military veterans. We all understand the military mind set (honor duty loyalty). We all love(d) fantasy as a diversion from reality. Four men of rare creative gifts, but none off check off any DEI boxes. Payne & McKay are the exact opposite, no "real world" life experiences (started writing together in High School), and only minimal creative talents.

[@cola98765]

Gene Roddenberry was flying bombers during WW2... also kinda makes sense. I'm starting to see a pattern, it takes a veteran to tell a story about a armed conflict and the horrors of it, especially in fantasy context. It seems obvious when said like this, but audience still craves wars on screen while writers have not engaged with it at all, and Hollywood does not see it like that.

[@markcochrane9523]

Ironically, I'd say that despite equally evil, Sauron and Lucifer are actually on opposite ends of the Law/Chaos spectrum. Lucifer fell from grace because he would not obey, while Sauron fell because he believed that he could make everything right if only he was given absolute control.

[@headlessfool7050]

Lucifer literally means "Lightbringer", and the Archetype exists in various mythologies . The Christian Mythology Lucifer fell because he brought humans insight and understanding - which the Christian God amazingly didnt approve of . That same theme - God wanting humans to stay stupid, is found in the Story of Adam and Eve in Eden .

[@lingricen8077]

@@headlessfool7050Because paradise comes from ignorance. There is no a single intelligent person who is happy

[@regiman222]

​@@headlessfool7050So Lucifer is akin to the Christian Prometheus? Punished for giving knowledge to the stupid humans,

[@davidyuste1956]

​@@lingricen8077 Facts.

[@Miluielle]

Not opposite really both stem from arrogance and a lack of humility.

[@cryyc]

25 years without any credits. That deserves some bullying

[@Boethius4748]

“Do you know why a ship floats and a stone cannot?” *why $hit…

[@geraldmorgan6906]

My 7yo nephew's response to this was classic. “Do you know why a ship floats and a stone cannot?” Nephew: Buoyancy, dumbass!

[@GoblinKnightLeo]

I never thought Disparu was dumb, but I never expected this level of insightful analysis from him. It feels more like I'm listening to Little Platoon. You can really feel how much this bothers him, in spite of how measured his voice is.

[@GH-ub7qz]

little platoon has low ethics, but he knows art...this guy knows ethics

[@DeadlyPlatypus]

​@@GH-ub7qzI think you're mistaking an extremely dry delivery of sarcasm with honest degeneracy.

[@lingricen8077]

little platoon is a typical untalented spoilt zoomer. How the hell can you compare a superior millennial to him? fool, easiest DISLIKE I have ever clicked on a comment

[@rhys5958]

I’d never thought about Sam’s lines being representative of Tolkien’s lived experience during war time until now. Thank you for opening my eyes to that.

[@oteliadavid7507]

Love your style, keep rocking it!

[@Oblithian]

LMAO the Shoe0nHead reference.

[@phatpat63]

Disparu is one of the few who _really_ gets what's actually going on.

[@lingricen8077]

This. He is leagues above imbeciles like Nerdrotic who just blame China for everything (i.e they literally believe a news article written by the same people that he calls out for having an agenda, peak stupidity)

[@jamesmandahl444]

The story of Helm Hammerhand is very sad. Took place during a time of dearth when a majority of the people of Rohan die from disease and starvation and war where they are beset by many enemies and Gondor is too weak and troubled to come to their aid. Helm eventually dies but his ghost haunts the lands supposedly crushing the enemies of Rohan with his spectral hands.

[@danieldosso2455]

You know what other society had people "fail upwards" The Empire in Star Wars. Sure you get Palpatine and Vader on top, but once those two fell, the entirety of their society collapses and the New Republic was born.

[@danieldosso2455]

TL;DR: Reward success

[@rrc3]

As a veteran, Samwise's heroism hits on a totally different level. Sam is the brother in arms who keeps the whole squad going through his belief in you. Star Wars is interesting because Lucas' personal experience with war was minimal, but everyone around him had deep personal experience. But Lucas *tried* to serve. He wanted to. He was just disqualified because of his street racing youth and diabetes. So he had a ton of respect for anyone with experience bringing him something. This is, in my mind, best shown in Yoda's pontification on war. "War not make one great." It's an incomplete thought to anyone who's been to war. It concludes: "War reveals one's greatness." Whoever you are, in war, you become magnified tenfold. Our greatest are always humble, efficient men (and women) who want to assist their brothers and sisters as best they can. But it is also something a teacher of Yoda's skill wouldn't tell a student. A student doesn't have the experience to understand the difference. They don't need that part of the information yet. If someone can hear the Lament for Boromir and not cry, they fundamentally do not understand Tolkien's work and should not be involved in any Tolkien project.

[@redfoxninja3173]

When evil is seen the same as good all is lost!

[@theelder4797]

It's being elevated above good these days - because the holders of power ARE e_val, they want it normal, so they can stop hiding.

[@GH-ub7qz]

its the predicted eventual state...given over to delusional minds ...

[@robertbryant4669]

Payne and McKay: "From our point of view Galadriel is evil!" Tolkien readers: "Then you really are lost!"

[@ms.tiadaniel8415]

I love your videos ❤ You have a way of expressing what we all feel with eloquence and quite a bit of good comedy. Cheers! 🤗

[@somedeplorable2227]

Got damn Disparu, another banger. Spot on mate.

[@mikewoodman7700]

It may have helped if they bloody read Tolkien's biography to understand why wrote the way he did, fair do's to Jackson the LOTR trilogy was perfect, when I saw the Fellowship for the first time it was if he had been in my head when I read the book for the first time.

[@martindixon54]

I wouldn't say the trilogy was perfect. What it was, however, is as close as you could realistically get when transferring such an epic saga to a completely different storytelling medium.

[@carolyns99]

How can you possible have read the books and say the movies were perfect???

[@mikewoodman7700]

@@carolyns99 they were exactly as I visioned it while reading the book ie perfect , for me that is

[@RobbinGraham]

the weird "softening" of our trad-villains is bizarre- they are literally making the damsels in distress and reluctant heroes into bada$$ feminist warriors who could slay the dragon AND (yeah, 2024) get the girl, whilst the enemy is a silly goofball that has no idea of how to BE a bad guy. they have RUINED our villains and made our protagonists into impervious immortals that know everything all the time. there's no tension, no danger no character arc. but they think this is what fans want?????

[@KhorneBrzrkr]

The stupid thing is... they kinda do. Someone once told me the reason we don't have movies with sad endings any more is because no one wants to lead a move sad. From there its a simple evolution. Why feel anything other than happiness the whole time. If there is a moment of doubt that's a moment you COULD be feeling good instead!

[@AzureRoxe]

@@KhorneBrzrkr Meanwhile the ending to Rogue One is beloved BECAUSE it was dark and sad. The ending to Episode 5 of Star Wars is iconic BECAUSE it was sad. People don't want sad endings because most sad endings nowadays are pure garbage.

[@RobbinGraham]

@@KhorneBrzrkr oh i agree! but all the while, some of the saddest movies have been the best box-office blockbusters! i grew up watching things like Silkwood, where there IS no happy ending and that film has stuck with me for DECADES as one of the best films ever made.

[@KhorneBrzrkr]

@@AzureRoxe Well they equate the two. You can have a well done sad ending. There are plenty examples. I'm just saying that lowest common denominator doesn't like being sad.

[@DeadlyPlatypus]

No. They don't think this is what fans want. Stop believing that they are acting in good-faith. They aren't. They're trying push their values in media. They believe that if they show the same lies over and over again, until every generation that knew different is dead, THEY can imprint their ideology on every subsequent generation. The Left's "new" strategy is to become EVERYONE'S literal, though not biological, parent.

[@dan1984842]

You’re doing such good work with these Disparu. The clips you provide are so important - it’s easy to have a general feeling that things are wrong, but you forget where you’ve seen it. When you keep showing these people saying terrible things, it’s so helpful. You’re a great voice for analysing the big picture - very few people can, and very few are brave enough to. Thank you so much and you’re doing something so important! Do you have a patreon Disparu? I couldn’t give much, but I could give something, and maybe others could too to help support you

[@alecmoriarty]

Strong men create good times, good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times, Hard times create strong men

[@Likexner]

Weak men empower XYs XYs create hard times

[@linus116]

This is one of your best videos, I’m gonna watch it 3 more times.

[@X_G8keeper]

I'm a huge fan Disparu

[@bigd5773]

Lol, I like how KZbin wants to translate your comment into English!

[@ThePhoenixScribe]

Same.

[@andreashoyer4662]

I enjoy his videos, very entertaining, although if you've seen one you've seen them all

[@Bhenderson0001]

Disparu may be a bit verbose, but I find again and again that he makes sense and summarises what Is important. We need people like this to help those of us that maybe cannot pull our thoughts together so well. He seems to have an instinctual feel for what is wrong and can put it in words, and you just know he is saying what has been at the back of your head, but he manages to put it clearly.

[@BelMarduksBizarreBazaar]

This is why I read Wheel of Time yearly until i had memorized it. The good Sir was well versed, he had seen trauma and knew the power of hope. The series is loaded with philosophy because like Tolkien he had lived and had context to compare Good and Evil with. They had the ability to teach because they understood.

[@johndunn1625]

I will maintain until the day I die that Rand on Dragonmount is the most pivotal and well written segment in the series and is probably one of the greatest moments in fantasy in general.

[@BelMarduksBizarreBazaar]

@@johndunn1625 it is where i put the book back on the shelf and have left it since.

[@ronaldallen1252]

The ruination of that series by Amazon is an absolute disaster. I knew they’d get tricked into seeing female aes sedai as the most important thing in the fantasy world. I hate feminism.

[@iminvalhallabitches]

Jordan sucked. Stop doing drugs.

[@ChaoticYak1]

I'm reading the series for the first time and (while this might be considered blasphemy), I actually find that I'm enjoying it more than Lord of the Rings.

[@pillznarRy]

BEAUTIFULLY put bro. EVERY WORD OF THIS.

[@RJ420NL]

Additionally, no child left behind led to teaching to the test. Education become memorization.

[@tankmaker9807]

And kids that do not do well testing are left behind, while those that parrot the nonsense are rewarded for knowing nothing of substance.

[@David-id6jw]

It's not even teaching to the test. It's that you can't be left behind, so the test doesn't even matter. Your effort (if any) doesn't matter. You could do virtually nothing and still be moved from grade to grade. Who needs memorization?

[@elusivemayfly7534]

I was just thinking about this today! I was watching a clip of a young man who said magical schools in stories suggest that learning is actually fun, and public school just sucks. And I felt sad because it WAS fun when I was a kid. I am in my early 40s, and I think policy changes and initiatives like No Child Left Behind drastically changed things. They took at least some of the magic out of learning.

@@tankmaker9807 Hell I failed a science test since apparently I didn't just consume and puke up info in a book, that was by the time I was in Highschool about 10 years out of date. I failed because I used information from CURRENT sources and directly from the biggest astrophysicists and space guys and gals. So yeah up to date info was bad, spewing old outdated crap form book = good.

@@David-id6jw And that is why you have kids in 10th grade unable to read basic books, or spell, or do math.

[@GopherInTN]

Well stated Disparu. You always hit the right points. Thats why you are a perfect replacement on FNT for AZ. Look forward to seeing your take in the future

[@Inkquebus]

Thankyou for being you, and saying what you do.

[@TheCincinnatiDad]

I truly appreciate how articulate you are in your observations and criticisms, and how well you edit to get them seamless over multiple takes! Well done, looking forward to your new FNT role!

[@darkforestgreen]

Ditto! FNT, finally! A great addition for everyone.^^

[@TRAZ4004]

Captain Kirk defeated Sauron.

[@matthewhoey4386]

that wasn't Sauron that was Godzilla.

[@PALACIO254]

With the mythic sword the lightbringer

[@jamesmetcalf5597]

Sauron teamed up with Voldemort to blow up one of the many death stars.

[@vespenegas261]

@@jamesmetcalf5597 That's my favorite part of A Space Odyssey

[@davidcoleman757]

As Little Platoon is fond of saying: writing is hard. Most of us have had interesting experiences; life is like that. What most of us lack is the skill and persistence to commit those experiences to paper or distill them in a way that does them justice. Tolkien is lauded with good reason; he'd experienced extremes, loved deeply, studied deeply, and he was blessed with both the ability to write and the creative drive to keep going. We are blessed that he survived The Somme.

[@TankUni]

Something of a corollary, is how British drama portrayed WW2 on TV and movies in the 50's, 60's & 70's. Although constrained by FX technology and the limits of what could be shown, the shows often seemed more real in terms of how characters reacted to each other. I put that down to many of the actors, directors and writers having been alive during the war years, often serving. The old guard's gone now, and so we have increasingly cartoonish takes by writers who's frame of reference is typically video games and movies they've seen.

[@jeffagain7516]

Just wanted to add, for a gentleman of such young age, you have proven incredibly astute. And, a breath of fresh air. Thank-you.

[@BrentMalice]

thank you for trying to differentiate between California and America. im in West (by god) Virginia, and we love everybody. except California. thats a different coutnry

[@MSgt5J071]

Yup, Cali-f**ked up-fornia, the cereal state (full of fruits, nuts and flakes).

[@andrewp8284]

Californian here-it’s primarily Hollywood and LA/SF that’s the different country lol. A lot of us here in the rest of the state (certainly outside the coast) look at them the same way you look at all of us.

[@MustertheBrohirrim]

It's Anakin' killing the death star while researching spiders in the Amazon time.

[@dennisdouglas5941]

I know my friend, Here in the USA it can be confusing... But your on the right track! There is HOLLYWOOD/California!!!!... and then there is the rest of us (the people with more than a fraction of a brain) Please do not lump us all in together!

[@als3022]

Northern California keeps trying to secede, so even Californians don't want to be in the state.

[@ArveKvaly]

Awesome diatribe this time! You nail the problem! Keep up the good work and thank you for your dedication!!

[@tombombadill22]

Dear Professor Disparu, once again your wisdom (for one so young) is profound. The Acolyte TOTALLY reflects who and what Leslye Headland is. Unfortunately it does not fit neatly into the Star Wars universe. A deep collaboration with somebody such as Star Wars Theory, or even yourself, would have worked wonders ... but that did not happen 😢

[@brockdavid]

Exactly, Headland can only convey what it is to be Weinstein’s Woke-colyte or enabler.

[@Soulfire252]

Great video as always. Congratulations on becoming a regular on Friday night tights. It'll be great to see you on there as well. You will certainly do the show. Proud! Keep rocking then

[@jonnybarlow3248]

Your video essays on the writing woes of hollyweird always get it just right.

[@Calibuckeye]

I (embarrassingly enough) watch a lot of KZbin content. You, my brother, are a gem!

[@Dungeonseeker1uk]

Fun fact: The opposite of a meritocracy is called a kakistocracy. I'm not sure if it was named after shit or if the nickname for shit came from it but its pretty funny. A shitistocracy if you will 🤣🤣

[@skibidi.G]

Kakisto + cracy = worst + rule

[@Dungeonseeker1uk]

@@skibidi.G TIL. So I'm guessing the etymology of kak is from kakisto then?

[@skibidi.G]

@@Dungeonseeker1uk probably lol

[@BIGSID320]

I agree completely. Well said. Many critics rant on these movies and shows, but they miss the main point.

[@tquenched3210]

wait... a hollywood writer that hasn't seen starwars?.. how?

[@StarStuff.]

The same way an actor stating Anakin destroyed the Death Star and no one corrects him...?

[@shannondeville2298]

Exquisitely well said. Being a child of the 80s, I've been struggling to understand how entertainment has gotten to this point. Why the stories have gotten so bad. I sort of had an inkling of the problem, but you laid it out so clearly and bare. I could go on, but I couldn't add anything more to what you've already covered. Only just....well said. Well said.

[@patriciafenwick5846]

I was looking forward to this, not so sure now. Btw, congrats on 250k.

[@wallyman292]

Extremely well said and insightful Sir! I think you've hit the nail right on the head here.