The Truth! Rounding Hammers and there really Purposes!! Trust Me I'ma Blacksmith!

[@scottsullivan4628]

I have been shoeing horses for 13 years. I dont do many handmade shoes anymore but I am starting to get back into it. It is nice to see your work. I prefer a bob punch or a cross pen hammer to start my clip source then go to the flat side of the hammer and use it for drawing the clip. you can also use the round side to relieve sole pressure on the hoof bearing side of the shoe. Get a fuller, nail punch and prichel and give making a horseshoe a shot. great video.

[@DrSimonCurtis]

I'll give you donkey mechanic sunshine!! Haha (Sam Fowler) Awesome description mate, informative as always...

[@paulesterline5714]

I was a Farrier (love Donkey mechanic!!) For 25 years, that was a bit painful but not too bad. Use the corner of your anvil (a Farriers anvil has a clip horn)then it is best if you bend it the opposite direction that you bent it. Keep the ground surface flat. (Truly it is fine either way) what you made is a toe clip, the shoe you show has quarter clips. Not all horses need clips of any kind. Not bad. I always called that a rounding hammer....

[@seanwalton6208]

Tremendously fun! Gives me great respect for REAL ferriers. You're the "boss"!

[@georgegriffiths2235]

Donkey mechanic is a WW1 expression my dear old grandad used to use it

[@danielmoss2089]

Well that makes your grandad a legend!!! Thanks for the great comment dude.

[@paulwharton3488]

I almost didn't watch this video but am glad I did. In reality does it matter what you call hammers or what their real purpose is and people are entitled to their own opinion and they're going to use them the way they want. I'm happy that you acknowledged that farriers have a special skill set and talents. Keep up the good work.

[@stevesyncox9893]

Of course it matter, pass me a hammer could be a claw hammer when ball pien is desired😉

[@huntintrailmetals9343]

Farriers are the masters of blacksmiths! And they are the most elegant craftsman I have ever seen!

[@lenblacksmith8559]

Good Dan, I have had my turning hammer for over 30 yrs, got it off a farrier when I was training with him, and I love it, and yes they're so good for making and shaping horse shoes, and drawing out the clips et. WEll Done matey.

[@jimh7345]

I'm a new subscriber. I like your channel! Thank you for making and sharing your videos!

[@frugal10191]

As someone just starting in blacksmithing I found this very informative. I had assumed from watching other videos that a "rounding" hammer was the default blacksmiths hammer. Out of interest what sort of hammer was used for drawing out before the rounding hammer gained popularity.

[@chbeagles]

Thanks for the clarification. Your videos keep improving great job Dan.

[@richardstewart1955]

Very good Dan. I worked with horses for years and the farriers art always amazed me, they have to be a blacksmith and a veterinarian as well. I like Donkey mechanic!

[@danielmoss2089]

Yeah soooo right its a great craft and doing both jobs must take work. thank you for the comment.

[@peterelliott2232]

Daniel, Thanks for all your efforts. In regard rounding style hammers, I find the larger models as favored by Brian B., very efficient at roughing out items such as tong blanks or hardy shanks. They make fast work of setting the initial " isolation" of the mass on the bit ends. The shortcoming, I find, is in planishing. The weight is handy for the heavy forging but, pushing a 4 lb hammer all day will take a toll on the operator. Rgds, P. M. Elliott

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you dude and I appreciate that different horses for different course (sorry about the pun.) I would just like to say my point isn't to bash any one just to tell people that there is room for lots of different stuff in the world.

[@mikedippel4986]

Hi Dan! There's a distinct difference in the Brazeal rounding hammer and the rounding/turning hammers you present in your video. The Brazeal/Steele style has a normal round and "squished ball" grind face for aggressive drawing out, and the other face is square shaped and ground flat with sloping edges that can be used like a cross or straight pein. The Brazeal style is sometimes referred to as a square/circle rounding hammer.

[@brandoncox7460]

Dan funniest video to date! And great info too! Keep up the great work! O and do it properly

[@kevinkult]

Hi Dan, great video in my opinion. It is important to know the origin and designed use of all tools. That way we can make more informed selection of the tool for the job at hand. Thank you.

[@robertkoontz7865]

I thought about learning ferrier smithing. Never had a clue, so I learned something.

[@trollforge]

The Turning Hammer we always just called a Farrier's Hammer.

[@danielmoss2089]

Cool I've used that name for it as well. Thank you for the comment.

[@kensmapleleafretirement]

That was fun. Thanks for the chat. I use the Rounding hammer as a primary because it was the first one I bought and just got used to it being in my hand. I have a Diagonal peen you made and I use it for stretching the material in the direction I want it to go. I hope you are doing well. I will look and see if you ever did the horseshoe forging. That would be interesting to see... Thanks Dan....

[@johnthomson3965]

Dan, I’m new to smithing and just want to say thanks so much for the info and encouragement, most of all sharing the honest enjoyment of bashing hell out of hot metal...

[@danielmoss2089]

Dude a pleasure and I hope this helped!

[@DrSimonCurtis]

Please say you make a shoe, it's fun seeing blacksmiths struggle to make 3/4 of a circle!!

[@danielmoss2089]

Maybe I will! Thank you for the comment!

[@fastamx069box8]

It would be great to see you make a horseshoe please. If that was your first attempt I thought you did great. Even if it was your 10th attempt that was great. Making anything like a horseshoe requires a lot of practice. So don't let anyone put you down and keep up the great work I learned so much from you thank you so much Daniel.

[@flyinghranch16]

Use your ball pein for pulling a clip. Lay edge of section over face of anvil. Hit over air with pein. Sources and starts your clip at same time.

[@broadusthompson1666]

Glad to see someone showing this technique! There's an awful lot of hammer and anvil bending techniques that aren't explored. I'm not sure about the absolute history of the rounding hammer either, but I think the "rounding" hammer name for it is regional to America, I've almost always heard that hammer called a rounding hammer, except if I look in old books, where is a turning hammer. Also Brian Brazeal does indeed have a history in horse shoeing, I'm pretty sure that's where he picked it up. I'd love to see you forge a horse shoe! Sounds like an awesome project.

[@jamesmcmillen4828]

Clips are usually started with a clipping hammer...kind of a pointed spike with a standard hammer head on the other side. I'm no farrier, but I've been around enough farriers to pick up a little knowledge.

[@ffcrick9144]

Had a total blast with you on this one . Do it properly.!!!!!!!! Thank you have a great day and God Bless 📖✝

[@gamagarn]

OMG Dan! "Donkey mechanics", I am dying from laughter

[@herbphillips8856]

Hi Dan, I love your videos and hope you keep making more. As for doing it properly, that would be fine, but why not arrange for a farrier to assist you in a video? I would like to see how a shoe is actually made to fit a specific horse's hoof.

[@ianlowe4666]

Nice to hear someone calling them a turning hammer Dan, I'm pretty sure 'rounding hammer' is an Americanism that's crept in over the last decade or so. I have a farrier's turning hammer that was given to me (by a nice lady 'donkey mechanic') and I love it, it's great at the job it was made for. Mine has very wide faces, especially for the weight, makes it look almost stubby. Gary Huston is the only KZbin horse botherer I watch regularly (apart from Sam Fowler). Gary uses a clipping hammer, and has a video of it and it's use worth looking at.

[@SSSmithing]

Good video Dan I enjoyed it I think you didn't do bad I worked with a farrier when I first started

[@metalmorphist]

That is something I had not heard or read. Thanks much. Carry On

[@andrewchant7862]

As a Farrier for 35yrs mostly now Farriers uses ready made shoes . But yeah we were all taught to make shoes and to pull a clip we either used a bod punch or a cross pein hammer or even a cats head hammer ! Oh and do it properly LOL . Not sure if you have any fullered concave ? If not your have to make your own Fuller's and Fuller some flat bar and make a shoe . Go for it !

[@trisceleforge3982]

Do it properly, do it really properly. Make one shoe, then throw it in the quench bucket, and try to make another exactly the same with out looking at the first one. I think they do that at farrier competitions. One thing I love about your videos is that you are not afraid to let people see that not every smith knows every thing. And we all make balls ups from time to time.

[@davephillips7550]

Nice and entertaining Dan 😎

[@peterl7225]

I like your channel. A humble suggestion would be to use a little microphone to avoid the reverb and echo. It's a little hard to hear you. Best regards from Sweden

[@bruceprosser8332]

Excellent suggestion, I noticed it a lot this video also.

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you and I'm aware of the issue. I will be working on sound thing but dude to editing issues having a remote mic isn't an option at this point dude to time consecrates. Now camera coming soon that can except a mic and stuff. Thank you for your comment and the feed back is welcomed.

[@danielmoss2089]

Also a lot of the noise is dude to the mad rain at the time. again i film when i can dude to time issues.

[@bruceprosser8332]

Now that I viewed the video again I hear it is rain. Thanks for the videos and this one was really helpful.

[@oljames1687]

..A trip to the school would be Good. Watching you pick up some pointers from the instructors & students very informative. Then you could make a proper shoe. So, make the shoe!!...

[@omarsedano4301]

I love it. Keep them coming

[@jasonjurgens9075]

Fun to watch your vids would like to see you make a full horse shoe. My mom was a farrier watched and helped her make shoes for a good many years

[@danielmoss2089]

Sweet dude and thank you for the help. Also See girls can do it haha

[@pattaylor5053]

So glad that someone said this, too much myth and nonsense out there from people trying to profit from inexperience Used a turning hammer for over 42 years shoeing horses had fun watching you try. We always pulled clips from the off face with the heels down you couldn't buy anything but plain shoes when I started not like today. Most blacksmiths today can't turn a shoe thanks for the attempt I say "Do it properly" because it will only add to your skill set

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you dude great comment and I appreciate the feed bk.

[@drason69]

At demos, some folks say "here is a guy that shoes horses"....my reply is " yes. Shoo horse, shoo, get away from my forge". Then I gently explain the difference between a smith and ferrier

[@harleyswenson5402]

Hey Dan moss good video but have you gotten around to sending the pendent yet ?

[@christophercassidy-schroed9169]

Love it dude, throwing around 'donkey mechanics' left right and centre Bahahaha. 👍

[@danielmoss2089]

I'ma Blacksmith not a donkey mechanic hahahaha

[@thingmaker3]

"If a tool is a different size or shape and is used in a different way... then itbis A DIFFERENT TOOL." - Some guy from Canada whose name I regretfully don't recall.

[@baddogforge5181]

Brian brazeal says in one of his vids that he started his hammers basing them from a farrier hammer

[@danielmoss2089]

I knew it!!!!

[@danielmoss2089]

Nice shoe dude. sorry for the late reply it was in my spam cause of the address you linked.

[@baddogforge5181]

Daniel Moss sorry bud I wuznt real sure how to go about it but better late than never

[@mitchelperkins6723]

Well Brian Brazeal is/was a Ferrier, so is his brother Ed. He just moved more into the blacksmithing and teaching realm of the craft. I do is a 3-1/2# rounding/turning hammer that I forged much in the style Brian teaches. I make a sell a good number of hammers of all different styles. I draw over the edge, I also draw over the bick, depends on what I'm forging. I prefer to draw in the power hammer mostly though HaHa. Excellent description of what this style hammers main purpose was. It's cool that you can laugh at yourself when things don't go perfect. You should get Sam over for a colab sometime. He is a pretty cool guy!

[@yorkshamunki]

Do it properly.... Invite Sam Fowler over and do a collab..... Cheers Dan, far better than I could do

[@danielmoss2089]

Well its a go but it wasn't great. haha. thank you dude!

[@TonyG101]

No! You butchered that shoe! Haha jk. It was fun to see and Im glad you did this demo. Im a farrier and I have learned a lot from your channel. I like to make little gifts out of horseshoes for their owners. Its a fun way to show appreciation. Thanks for your videos!

[@Munxcub]

Yeah do it properly. I'd like to see it haha. It was interesting to see how it bent that steel the hard way. 👍

[@danielmoss2089]

Maybe I will???? I love bending it the hard way dude lol thank you for the great comment and im a child i know.

[@Munxcub]

Daniel Moss keep up the videos, I do enjoy and appreciate the level of explanation you still put into them. 👍

[@Coldmac2011]

Great video my friend, many laughs. Why not make a set of pony shoes?! It's a skill you will use one time, but a skill none the less. Do it properly! Haha. Have a great day brother!

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you dude! Skills is skills right?

[@stevesyncox9893]

Fuq da h8trz. You did good on the vid. Always fun mate!

[@billymartinozarkmountainfo225]

Good first time try

[@danielmoss2089]

Your to kind it was poo hehe! Thank you for the comment dude!

[@petertricker792]

Do it properly!😎 Have you considered making the flatter side a squarer shape? ⚒️ To assist with getting in to angles and corners... Excellent video by the way. T shirt idea: "Trust me I'm a blacksmith Not a donkey mechanic" 😁🙃👍

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you for the comment dude. What would I gain with a square face? Loving the T-Shirts ideas thank you.

[@mainelyworthwhile5793]

I use a ball peen or a bob punch to pull a blob of metal first, then a couple of quick smacks with the flat face of turning hammer to flatten the blob on 90 degrees to the shoe, then flat face of the turning hammer on its heel to draw the clip out further

[@petergrassel3973]

Thank you

[@danielmoss2089]

Thats ok! Thank you for the comment dude.

[@BrianDaleNeeley]

I would like to see you make another attempt at forging a horseshoe, but I won't ask you to do it "properly". You might be able to make something that looks like a horseshoe (and might even work as one), but from what I've seen (and (disclosure) the only farrier I watch is Gary Huston), you pretty much need a horse to fit one properly. I'm not a farrier or a blacksmith, so my opinion and 50¢ is worth a little less than $0.50; but I'd still like to see you collab with a proper farrier and make another attempt.

[@danielmoss2089]

Both true and nice idea. Ill make a thing that looks like a shoe and ill find a farrier dude. thank you for you $0.50 it was a great comment.

[@Falconhunter276]

Most farriers use premade shoes shoes now. Some special or remedial shoes are still made by the blacksmith. The groove is a fullers groove btw. Also your title should 'their' not 'there'. Loving the channel though, good to see some actual forging and demos. Thanks. (MAKE IT PROPERLY) lol Edit; Just looked at the title again. There's more wrong with it.

[@benjamin_griffin]

Love it. 🤩😁😁😁👍

[@rickeycallen]

Great video Dan, keepem coming...I appreciate your bringing to light the misconceptions that are being funneled out and gobbled up by the masses, im guilty of gobbling it up myself but I'm trained 100% of my own research on youtube and experience which is little to none, but I've vowed to change that in the coming months. DO IT PROPERLY!

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you dude! Well keep up the thirst for knowledge and ask lots of questions. Its cool to try every thing but take what works for you. I can't say if its wrong or right cause i bet im wrong hahaha.

[@rickeycallen]

Daniel Moss no way man. Thank you! But I will most definitely try to keep up the motivation and try all sorts of styles and techniques to find my personal style, people who are super close minded drive me crazy, just because it's not how YOU do it, doesn't make it wrong, and that's so refreshing to see someone so open-minded though maybe a little biased at times, still open minded to new styles and techniques...keep pumping out videos! You deserve far more subs for the quality of product you produce. Cheers!

[@hembrasalvaje]

Daniel i had a thirst for knowledge of blacksmithing, machining and engineering since the time i could read. one grandfather was a self taught engineer and the other was a dairy farmer who also did blacksmithing to make many things around the farm. he died by the time i got to age 10 though. so i taught myself out of books even to making my own blacksmithing charcoal and i built my first forge at 17. all my knowledge before then was gained from studying every book on the subject i could get my hands on. one of my first projects in the forge was a knife and the guy i made it for said it was better than anything he could get in the shops as it was easy to sharpen but still held an edge better than any he had ever bought. it was american pattern forge with the tuyere coming in the bottom of the fire box. i am soon to be building and english pattern forge with the tuyere coming into the firebox from the back wall. both styles have advantages and disadvantages over each other. this is the second video of yours i have seen. the other was critiquing Roys video (which i watched after yours) and you both had good pointers in your videos and what you were saying was constructive criticism which i see as a good thing as that is part of learning including constructive self criticism.

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank You for the comment dude. I will be honest with you there are lot of these videos are to gain views and subs. I have found that the channel is allowing me to do stuff I want to do and earn money doing it not much but some. This is a great thing and its amazing that it can do this. I check that Roy was happy with the video I made before I posted it as I like Roy. I am only critical of things I feel are wrong and If i think people deserve or should know a different point of view. To be honest if you get the job done and get payed that's all that matters at the end of the day. Different horse for different courses. NIce comment dude.

[@brettsayers7768]

Do it properly, great explanation of the uses of a rounding hammer

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you dude and i will ok get off my back haha.

[@lawrenwimberly7311]

the donkey mechanic had me rolling on the floor

[@CockatoobirdmanBill]

great vid loved it, Good to see someone have fun at work by the way just got the black smithing book today thanks again be safe bill

[@danielmoss2089]

Sweet what you picking?????? YOu happy with it?

[@stustudy2475]

Did dan just reference my sarcasm?? I feel so special now. :-) Though I didn't mean it as you repeat yourself. I meant it more like you wanted to be sure everyone knew you weren't starting fudge with him.... though a youtuber blacksmiths drama could be good for your channels... I say you guys start a fight over something trivial and end it with an in person blacksmithing contest with Twan and the guy from black bear forge moderating.

[@danielmoss2089]

Sarcasm?????? This isn't the place for that!!!!! GET OUT! Thank for the great comment dude and I would if i had the balls lol.

[@stustudy2475]

Daniel Moss everywhere is the place for sarcasm good sir. I honestly doubt anyone would think you guys had a real issue. .... you guys are way to nice

[@dadegroot]

An entertaining video, but yeah, I'd enjoy seeing you do it properly.

[@baddogforge5181]

Funny part is I tryed my hand at forging a shoe yesterday just for home decor but it turned out to be a pony shoe lol

[@danielmoss2089]

Send pictures dude I would love to see. Thank you for the comment dude!

[@baddogforge5181]

Daniel Moss will do bud

[@baddogforge5181]

Daniel Moss photos.app.goo.gl/X0QJtcIjM0CFgjz42

[@baddogforge5181]

Sorry took so long lol

[@ericgreensway362]

Do it properly. Love seeing your light hearted playing and laugh

[@johnspearman4401]

Donkey mechanic best punchline ever

[@ivanmoore3334]

Do it properly......... Because I couldn't. Good video. I don't know what the hell I'm doing either, but I do it anyway.

[@edgreywolf]

Alex Steele learned under Brian Brazeal

[@danielmoss2089]

well he did an 11weeks with him over 7years so if you say so.

[@sdcb27]

You had the clip, you simply needed to lay it at a angle on NEAR edge of anvil and "draw" the clip on the face of anvil the and youd have sorted it right out

[@michaelboone5398]

I enjoyed the video and I'd like to see you make a horse shoe. Do it properly

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you dude!!!

[@johnyb3454]

U learn Sumat new everyday Dan 👍

[@danielmoss2089]

Nearly at 4000 vice time dude you ready hahahahaha

[@johnyb3454]

Daniel Moss Bring it on mate 👍

[@louisgood604]

Do it properly!!! I appreciate someone showing their respect to others and their craft.

[@DRCHUCKWRIGHTMD]

What amazes me is that when I had a "rounding" hammer , I learned to use it as a "turning" hammer independently early on. I often wonder if it's just a difference is language and synonyms. As is ("making it go "Round") just as (making it "Turn" ) Thanks so much DAN!!!!

[@danielmoss2089]

Pleasure dude thank you fro the comment.

[@tonywalker8030]

What I just said IS research, this is the new normal.

[@scottreynolds4827]

LOL !! I AM NOT A FARRIER, either. But A lot of folks believe that I am!!!

[@SWPhotography]

Donkey mechanic? ... LOL. That ought to get ya a couple dislikes ;)

[@danielmoss2089]

I think it upset some one cause the said i didn't know any thing and I wasn't even a blacksmith lol. thank you for the comment dude.

[@wesleymccravy901]

Thanks for the great info! I'm no farrier either. I only blacksmith every evening 4-6 hours to balance the girliness from my day job as a designer in a flowershop 😝 You do well as a teacher; I'm finally making halfway decent tongs, so a HUGE thanks to you brother. There are no schools nearby to learn the craft so i just blast through paycheck after paycheck til im satisfied with a technique. I have seriously bought propane with change from my cupholder because the need to move metal is something i wont ignore. I've made 3 hammers now and my first one was so awesome that it will probably be one i use for life. Im starting hatchets this evening from old plow points, wish me luck and thanks again!...... 😂donkey mechanics.... Thats gold

[@petertricker792]

T shirt: Here Kitty, Kitty 👀

[@danielmoss2089]

Yes Peter YES.

[@codyironworks307]

Cracking the toe....

[@fullmoonforgeandblacksmith6781]

I am at Hereford college

[@danielmoss2089]

You are ain't ya. Are you the Sam I think you are?? ALICE in Norfolk?

[@fullmoonforgeandblacksmith6781]

No I am not

[@indianatone218]

eeee awwww eeee aaaaaaw eeeee aaaaaawww to know hes a black smith ! lol thanks for showing .

[@masonmileski2169]

You’d of had much better luck pulling that clip with that ball pin😉

[@danielmoss2089]

That's not the point of the video dude! Please don't tell every one you will make them sad! Great comment dude! THank you!!

[@masonmileski2169]

Daniel Moss haha ok I won’t, good video and nice toe bend!

[@baddogforge5181]

Daniel I sent u a pic of that pony shoe I forged let me know what u think

[@gingetaylor4489]

Do it properly....no pressure

[@farcough9992]

Do it properly, also out of interest what weight is the little hammer? As for constructive criticism how about trying a lavalier mic, they are cheap and it is easy to sync audio even in movie maker 😋. It would also allow you to keep talking while you are hammering. Much love C

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you dude sound is something i need to fix. The small hammer is 2lbs and the large one is 3.5lbs i think.

[@danielmoss2089]

The lacks of talking and hammering is dude to the small brain I own. LOL no mic need if im not talking hahaha

[@DragonHide94]

Do it properly. To that I say "Make it so!"

[@WildBoreWoodWind]

Dan, you've probably seen this. but just in case you've not, here is a vid by Gary Huston making a horseshoe, he's got a spacific tool/hammer for pulling a clip - enjoy - kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5u1iZ6Ymb6Ep7c

[@bc65925]

Wait... you said you taint a Mule Maintainer I'll go with that. But you said not a blacksmith.... but you said "Trust Me!" what on earth am I gonna do now?

[@hightowerone]

People complaining about a horseshoe for a horse they don't have. Yup! Good ole internet 😩

[@danielmoss2089]

Hightower One who's complaining about a horse shoe?

[@hightowerone]

Daniel Moss horseless people 🤣

[@bentoombs]

At least you wear your safety glasses were they should be protecting your hairline. Lol😎 do it properly! And subscribe to patreon like I did thanks for all your videos Dan

[@PhapDave]

#trustmei'mnotafarrier Now you need to get Sam Fowler in to show you how 😉 Do it properly

[@WaveCyclesCreative]

C'mon Dan, Do it properly! ;)

[@91donwilson]

Do it properly Dan! I don't think it was a bad first try haha

[@andywright2606]

Do It Properly please ! By the way are you a farrier ?

[@gamagarn]

Do it properly! Which means make 4, unless you know a 3 legged horse.

[@johnmccanntruth]

I say take a trip back to college and do it properly with some students...

[@danielmoss2089]

Thank you dude! School might do me some good lol!

[@g65woodandiron]

Do it properly.thanks for the videos.

[@charityironworks1036]

Do it properly. I am making some horse shoes shapes for a project and they definitely are not as easy as ferries make them look when they are making the real things.

[@mkfathers]

Do it properly please

[@mattrooney700]

Do it. Make a shoe properly! I'd love to see that

[@jasperrose2991]

Do it properly mate!

[@Suitednzooted11]

Do it properly

[@danielmoss2089]

OK OK Give me some space bro. Thank you for the comment dude!!