The Twisted Case Of White House Farm Murders

[@erinbfly]

Sometimes I wonder if I'm even paying attention to the actual story. The narrator's voice is like butter on toast. I often have to start over so I can pay attention because I feel like I'm in a trance. 😊 And THANK YOU for always respecting the victims. I watch tons of these videos and NO ONE does that. You guys are awesome!

[@AlexAndra-iy5zu]

Several others pay respects

[@kathyjones5085]

I do that all the time!

[@br0wn3y3dgurl7]

Same! I’m “wait, what happened?” 😂

[@Arunnejiro]

No. I had to rewind because there are 6 characters. The parents and they adopted two sets of kids. It was confusing when he mentioned the sister shot his father as well.

[@brendanhartley8203]

Buetiful comment,I completely understand ... love from Australia 🌏🦘❤

[@heavenbertram]

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL! I don’t know what it is about his voice, but I love it. Always very accurate information as well!

[@denesem2161]

Heaven Bertram me too!

[@JahGemini.2222]

Snap! It's the most comforting and relaxing voice to me, the one and only voice that resonates with me 😮

[@jaydetbh]

i agree , i love his voice so much! it makes listening much more interesting

[@louwandmaker]

Love the voice ❤

[@rachaelford5525]

Me too!

[@Monika-bc3dq]

It was always obvious to me that he used his sister's mental state to get rid of the whole family. So sad, on so many levels.

[@stevelane5885]

The fact is there is no evidence against Jeremy. He was stitched up by corrupt police and his adoptive family so they could steal his inheritance. His case is now before the Criminal Cases Review Comission who will sent it to the court of appeal. If you bother to examine the evidence much of which was hidden from the court, it is clear Jeremy Bamber is the victim of the worst miscarriage in British legal history. Sheila was not shot twice when police discovered her freshly deceased body. There is proof she was alive when Jeremy was with the police out side. There is proof that Jeremy’s father Neville phoned the police at 8.26 am to tell them that “His daughter Shiela was going berserk with one of my guns”. Jeremy called the police at 8.36 after his father had called him. These calls are in police logs not made available at trial. The house was locked from the inside. There is no way Jeremy could have entered and left after algegedly killing his family yet leave no trace!

[@MummyBrown]

I agree. The “scorned wife,” or was it his girlfriend? Either way, she gave them information that they could then carry out to find evidence to support the possibility that this was all a lie. Details she tipped them off to, should they have been legitimate, would’ve proven his hand in the crime.

[@MsSharat123]

He's guilty.

[@Monika-bc3dq]

@@MsSharat123 apparently not everyone sees it that way. Which is ridiculous to me, when you look at the evidence.

[@mrmrsmarshall9110]

Has anyone looked at evidence? Most of it has been burned by the police, Essex police who are under investigation for many dodgy convictions.

[@Cantab-ml6pw]

Slight error: you say that by law husbands and wives are not allowed to give evidence against each other in a criminal court in the UK. In fact, they cannot be COMPELLED to give evidence against each other; they can do so if they want to, however. It would be pretty grim for battered wives or husbands if they couldn't!

[@annetakubiak3374]

He meant when one committed a craime against someone else, not towards each other

[@annetakubiak3374]

English it's not my first language , but I think his statement is very clear 😜

[@bigbigbigbigbigman]

It doesn't matter whether the crime was committed to them or someone else what the ai in the video said was wrong.

[@tartanmystic4025]

Spot on

[@auzieblo]

​@@annetakubiak3374 obviously, it doesn't matter who the crime was committed against. It is irrelevant. In any event, his statement was totally wrong .

[@justiceLaw0000]

Leave that monster behind bars where he belongs. It is so very obvious he murdered his whole family. Sheila is an innocent victim as well.

[@CharlieCharlie881]

Agree

[@amityislandchum]

I very much believe that he did it, but they truly didn't have the evidence to prove it. He should be free, and it's the police's fault for not even bothering to investigate.

[@123UpNorth321]

I am sorry but the picture in my head, about the cops shouting at a house for two hours really made me laugh 😂

[@smolCharlotte]

The way he treated his sisters memory is repulsive and unforgivable. He makes me sick

[@Lex-ot9fc]

Deffo. I have mental health problems and my brother did nothing but support me. THAT is how loving brother is supposed to be. ❤️

[@mrmrsmarshall9110]

He is the only one to pay people to clean and care fot the graves, I suggest you learn a bit more about this case and the wrongful conviction.

[@smolCharlotte]

@@mrmrsmarshall9110 oh I know much more that I fear you do. I assume you to have read the full legal case and court transcripts. I’m sure a compulsive liar would do anything to get out jail including saying he is innocent. You are very welcome to your opinion but please never assume someone who comments on a video does so without any knowledge or facts behind it.

[@mrmrsmarshall9110]

@@smolCharlotte the court transcripts are full of the lies Essex police and the Eatons.

[@mrmrsmarshall9110]

@@smolCharlotte kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYrToYl5pMiJmKs

[@leese.23]

The first red flag was it for me... who calls a regular police number when there's an emergency? Jeremy. All the red flags after just help to solidify his guilt.

[@Quizack]

Maybe it was a programmed button? It’s possible that he just hit the “police” button, if there was one. I know my phone used to have one.

[@sarahwarden5574]

There was no 111 in those days, just the local police station or 999. If rural the obvious thing to do is ring local.

[@CharlieCharlie881]

@@sarahwarden5574 There was 999

[@sarahwarden5574]

@@CharlieCharlie881 Yes. I remember there was some ambiguity about a whether a 999 had been made.

[@CharlieCharlie881]

@@sarahwarden5574 He didn't ring 999 because it would be logged ,and he didn't have a call from his dad

[@ejayman]

One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned was Jeremy saying his dad called him saying Sheila had gone crazy. He was found slumped over in a chair. Aside from the fact that I don't think you'd call your son if your life was in danger (you'd call 999), who makes a phone call like that then sits down? To me it seemed from the position of his dead body that he'd been caught by surprise.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

2:06 Jeremy Bamber receives a phone call from his father, Neville, panicking and shouting, he says, "your sister has gone berserk, she's got a gun." 20:24 "The prosecution argued that Jeremy had committed the murders because of several defensive marks found around the body of Neville. He clearly tried to fight back against whoever had attacked him."

[@justiceLaw0000]

Agree, whoever did it had to have caught him off guard. He didn’t call his son cause his son was the one committing the crime. Plus look at his face. It says it all.

[@crazyhorse2542]

Nevill and June were shot in bed. The killer fled downstairs to reload. Nevill despite being badly hurt pursued the killer. He had a scuffle in the kitchen, with the killer using the butt of the rifle to overpower him. He was then subsequently shot a few more times in the head.

[@commonsense571]

Good catch

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@commonsense571 But they're wrong. smh

[@aqua-mina]

He couldn’t help himself, smiling at the funeral, whispering to his gf “I should have been an actor”, etc… the narcissism is strong with this one.

[@lidiawest8615]

Duper's Delight

[@cdes1776]

Like Bart Simpson marching around the house banging a cooking pot yelling, "I'm Number 1! I'm Number 1!"

[@RobertSmith-vl5gc]

You need to look at a of the evidence, smiling at a funeral is not evidence of anything! Jeremy is innocent.

[@RichardWagner-hi4zn]

@@RobertSmith-vl5gc Wow, Watson, you are on to something! lol

[@Segasedge]

Right....but his girlfriend is the only one who said that. The same one who sold her story for 25,000 pounds and got out from 4 charges only after she said she knew something about the case.

[@ezekielmercier-kohr7380]

Shot herself twice with an impossible-to-reach trigger, took off the silencer, somehow went to hide it in a cupboard whilst not leaving a trail of blood, took her bible, lates down and died… Oh and there was ONE of her fingerprints. Without the idiot who grabbed the gun, aaaaaall the other fingerprints were his. He clearly didn’t match correct emotions at the burial, didn’t call emergency services, accused an innocent plumber, fled the country, had the motive of money, always been a jackass with his family and told everyone he hates them… But suuuuuuure his sister was the culprit bcs she was mentally ill. Not violent. Ill. Yeah, tons of doubt 🙃

[@ezekielmercier-kohr7380]

ALSO just fyi but if you shoot someone who is already deceased, they don’t bleed. The heart no longer pumps blood and as a result shooting someone after death will not cause dripping of blood, especially since the heat of the bullet partially cauterises the skin. That’s one of the indicators that someone was shot after death! So even if there was a second wound caused by an officer there, you would clearly see the difference.

[@VioletJoy]

Was there evidence that the silencer was used during the shooting?

[@ericastapleton7042]

I think you sumerised that quite well. How it really is ⭐

[@mattbarneveld815]

@@VioletJoy the only evidence offered in the video was that a small amount of blood was found on the tip of the silencer.

[@VioletJoy]

@@mattbarneveld815 Oh, that's right. I wonder if any kind of forensic testing can be done on that small amount.

[@gretamoffat8666]

This case was handled really badly that’s why some people believe it’s a miscarriage of justice.

[@missfluffydiva2120]

I agree that the investigation was poorly handled, but it still doesn't negate his guilt. He keeps saying that he has evidence that will exonerate him...30+ years later and he's still in prison so where's this "evidence"?. He has all these gullible people thinking he's been so hard done by, the police railroaded/framed him, advocating to free him yet he's still in prison. He's so convinced himself and others by his lies that he's innocent but he's definitely not so he's exactly where he needs to be ....prison and I hope he rots.

[@carolharkness5023]

Yes, So much evidence removed ...that was vital to the case

[@missfluffydiva2120]

@@carolharkness5023 what vital evidence was removed? Again I'll ask the question, if by some very remote chance that Bamber is innocent, where's this "evidence" he keeps bleating on about which I suppose his legal team has that he claims will exonerate him and quash his conviction? 30+ years on and still waiting and he's still in prison🤷🏽‍♀️

[@tracymcardle1236]

There is no evidence, he is guilty, no question he used his sister's mental state to his advantage evil sod😢😢😢

[@JohninRosc]

@@missfluffydiva2120 Why was Sheila's nightdress burnt, her suicide note, the bible, the BT records - all destroyed by the police. Do you think they would do that if they showed Jeremy as guilty?

[@cosmosadorabilis7677]

I think we can all agree this was a very disfunctional family.

[@trevortrevatrevortreva1520]

Yes and the extended family that ended up cash rich after the Murders

[@busylawbee]

This is a side note but not all boarding schools are strict and unpleasant. I had a private school education and I boarded from 14-18. It was a home from home. There are a lot of rules but they’re designed for you to have a good work/life balance and to minimise disruption. Your parents are paying a lot of money for you to have the kind of education that will open doors for the rest of your life, and the school stakes its reputation on your success.

[@yojez]

Where did u go? U don’t have to answer if u don’t want. Boarding schools fascinate me

[@busylawbee]

@@yojez I went to Wycombe Abbey.

[@sophiejameson428]

I agree. I went to a boarding school from 16-18. At the time my mother and I couldn't share a civil word. The calm, positive and creative atmosphere did wonders for me. It was a co-educational school. I had brothers so it worked really well for me. And my relationship with my mother was hugely improved.

[@busylawbee]

@@MakerInMotion No, they are not.

[@james-p]

I agree. I went to boarding school in the US from age 13-18. My family moved a lot, and a couple of decades later I still feel like I'm going home when I go back there for Alumni Weekends. It was a stable place in my life and a great experience.

[@merrisl6685]

I remember this case well, and at the time thought Jeremy was guilty. Now having seen the video, I'm even more convinced because he come across as a charming psychopath. It's such a pity that no attempts were made to trace telephone calls. For example, when and where did he receive the call from his father to say his sister had gone berserk. Also, where was he located when he called the police office. Technology has changed much since then, and perhaps that type of evidence was just not available, or given any thought.

[@CARLIN4737]

In 1985 DNA, Tracing calls etc etc were very difficult and DNA was in its infancy.

[@BeerElf66]

I've always wondered whether there *was* a phone call from his Dad.

[@dragonmummy1]

@@BeerElf66 yes, why would dad phone Jeremy and not the police?

[@jettsoma]

@@BeerElf66 I seriously doubt it.

[@serviceedgeinsurance8830]

I agree. Cops need to get in touch with the telephone company... for call log details. That shouldn't be hard to do. Am sure that information can be available. Cops were very careless in how they handled the scene of crime. They need to take notes from American cops.

[@shaziamalik9298]

The adapted son's face in every single picture gives away everything he was.

[@VickyCooksalot]

It boils down to how does someone shot themselves twice when committing suicide. The coroner's report is what matters. What a police officer says doesn't count.

[@sarahwarden5574]

It was not impossible at all as Nevill Bamber had been shot a number of times already, overpowering him would have been easy. New testimony has also surfaced from both the doctor at the scene and the pathologist, Dr Vanezis, who noted that he "did not find it surprising that woman of that build, in possession of a weapon possibly in a deranged stated, could cause the injuries present." When later asked if he thought that Jeremy had carried out the killings he stated that Sheila Caffell would have needed to have been drugged beforehand to lay down so peacefully (but tests showed that she had not been). He thought the idea of Jeremy as the murderer was "almost too incredible to believe" based on his findings at the post mortem. He also detailed that two shots to a person in a case of suicide is not unlikely as he had seen four or five cases in his time, and 1985 was relatively early in his career. Dr Vanezis is now a mature Professor and leading Home Office Pathologist.

[@MileyonDisney]

Moral of the story: If you kill your entire family, don't make your girlfriend mad about another woman.

[@YankeeCommie]

Thanks bro I almost made a rookie mistake. Good looking out

[@jokesonyou1373]

🤔

[@danielbridson8534]

Don’t tell your girlfriend u plan to kill your entire family for inheritance money would also have been in this rats interest

[@Ruki7980]

thank u it was dragging so much 🙄

[@QuietClariti]

My word! You made me laugh😂

[@0725hdc]

We will never know the truth unless Jeremy comes clean. If he was innocent why did he take off to Amsterdam to sell off his family stuff? Those poor innocent boys, they are the worst casualty

[@LemonSte]

Theres a tv show based on this! Jeremy did this 100%. Also pretty sure spouses can be witnesses against eachother, they just cant be forced to. Outlawing it would be silly cause not everyone whos married still wants to be

[@stephaniecox3380]

What is the name of the show please? I would love to watch it

[@sandyhenderson441]

Yes Lau, you're right. A spouse can testify against their other half if they want to, but can't be forced to testify against their will.

[@CozyDollNik]

​@@stephaniecox3380Its called The Murders at White House Farm

[@PaganPunk]

You only saw what they wanted you to see on that documentary....I live right near this place .....ive never been 100% sure he did it!

[@johnryan7511]

@@stephaniecox3380 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Farm_(TV_series)

[@dejavudisciple]

He owned a gun with a silencer but the police had to wait 2 hours because they had no guns.

[@-notmycat]

It's so stupid. Even if UK police officers normally don't have guns on them, they knew ahead of time that guns are involved. I don't understand why they didn't bring guns with them.

[@joemomma1763v]

I listen to many of these type videos from various channels and your narration is by far the best

[@joanneleadley5266]

We had a case in NZ where a family was massacred. The only one who survived was one of the children who was doing a paper run at the time. He was taken into custody and convicted of the crime. The family were very troubled and apparently dysfunctional but there was so much speculation and not enough evidence. Eventually, after years in jail David Bain was released and compensated thanks to someone who vouched his innocence all along. This case is a bit different but without absolute evidence, it can still remain a mystery, even though it points to the son

[@sarahwarden5574]

It was not impossible at all as Nevill Bamber had been shot a number of times already, overpowering him would have been easy. New testimony has also surfaced from both the doctor at the scene and the pathologist, Dr Vanezis, who noted that he "did not find it surprising that woman of that build, in possession of a weapon possibly in a deranged stated, could cause the injuries present." When later asked if he thought that Jeremy had carried out the killings he stated that Sheila Caffell would have needed to have been drugged beforehand to lay down so peacefully (but tests showed that she had not been). He thought the idea of Jeremy as the murderer was "almost too incredible to believe" based on his findings at the post mortem. He also detailed that two shots to a person in a case of suicide is not unlikely as he had seen four or five cases in his time, and 1985 was relatively early in his career. Dr Vanezis is now a mature Professor and leading Home Office Pathologist.

[@philgarlic8047]

David Bain's last trial not-guilty verdict was a triumph of celebrity worship over logical evidence analysis and common sense, and as a result he got a hefty payoff from your government who didn't want to waste any more taxpayers' cash fighting never-ending court cases. There was far more incriminating evidence against David Bain than there ever was against Bamber, but both imo were guilty of the murders of their respective families. Checkout Pat Brown's combined video examination of the Bamber and Bain cases. She reaches a similar conclusion.

[@cdes1776]

This is where proper detective work comes into play. Get it right the first time.

[@bbyjscx]

Absolutely love this narrators voice, could listen to him forever ❤

[@andreahailey7399]

I think it's obvious that Sheila didn't commit this crime and I believe 100% that Jeremy is guilty. His behavior after his family's death was despicable and indicative of a psychopath.

[@Kill--alllll---IDF]

I agree with u 101% but have u seen how many people think Jeremy is innocent 😂 makes me cry with laughter..... there is nooooooo way Sheila cud have fought with nevile noo way, the correct man is behind bars

[@jennycarmona-padilla5264]

One of the most compelling stories I've heard/watched on KZbin. Thank you for sharing. You told this story amazingly 👏 👌 I truly enjoy your channel.

[@ba-gg6jo]

This would have been a more clear-cut investigation leading to his rightful conviction if it hadn't been for the initial botched investigation by the Police. The lead officer was so blinkered and obsessed with the murder/suicide explanation. If it hadn't been for his sergeant doggedly pursuing this he may well have got away with it.

[@amyclare5377]

I work in a long term care home for the severe mentally ill. One of my residents has ECT every week it truly freaks me right out and seems to drive "him" more crazy. I refuse to attend the appointments now it's just to much

[@helenscott-tebb406]

NOTHING any one could tell me would make me believe that Jeremy was innocent, nothing!!

[@Valeria-mq3qn]

Idk. Leslie MacFarlane in the comments below brought up some very valid questions!

[@pjzebo]

You're damn right! Of course it was him! A real piece of......

[@tylerskiss]

Well thankfully you declaring it does not make it so. If you can’t prove it, you can’t claim he’s guilty.

[@brianbauer7560]

what if Jesus Christ said something about him being innocent?

[@doxasophosmoros]

He is innocent, there's zero DNA evidence and he's been tested by hundreds of doctors and he's not a psychopath or sociopath.

[@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916]

For anybody curious, "silencers" aren't actually that effective. It's actually called a suppressor, and gun shots are still fairly loud. The main thing they provide is hearing protection, not magically making gun shots silent as you see depicted in movies. Yes, if you have a 22 subsonic bullet, it's extremely quiet, but that's the only one.

[@orchadorkification]

Doesnt it also reduce kickback?

[@mageofdoomsie1598]

@@orchadorkificationa bit? Not too much to make much difference though

[@cosmicdebris42]

Exactly! I'm sure Jeremy did it, but the courts argument that the Police would have heard the shot is ridiculous because they could have been shot before the Police got there.

[@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916]

@@orchadorkification I'm not sure about recoil, but suppressors are pretty heavy so I'd assume that has a significant impact.

[@raywright2401]

However the difference in sound is enough to not cause an alarm in others, especially on a farm or in a large house. I've seen stories where people slept through a regular gunshot so entirely possible the silencer is the reason some adults where caught off guard by Jeremy.

[@sarahewson3607]

I feel like the real answer lies in the silencer. Today’s forensic technology should be able to verify if it has her blood on it. That and further investigating if her wounds would have allowed her two shots. Unfortunately, it really does seem like it could go either way.

[@sharpshooter_Aus]

Suppressor, silencers are not a thing, you cannot silence a shot only suppress it. It’s not like the movies a suppressed shot is still quite loud though even without a suppressor you normally won’t hear shots if you’re not expecting them it’s a phenomenon.

[@brianbauer7560]

​@@sharpshooter_Ausbut you knew what she's saying. they're widely referred to as "Silencers". It's misleading. I agree

[@doxasophosmoros]

He is innocent, there's zero DNA evidence and he's been tested by hundreds of doctors and he's not a psychopath or sociopath.

[@marleylove510]

@@doxasophosmoros What makes you think he’s innocent?

[@marleylove510]

@@doxasophosmoros Other than 🧬

[@heatherbowlan1961]

Thank you for this old case .

[@sharkskinboy]

Whenever you give a child a haircut like that, you're planting the seed for a chain of events that can only lead to sinister outcomes.

[@lsimon343]

Can u imagine adopting a kid and it turning out like that?? I would have put him out of the house and never let him back!! And I’m adopted!!!

[@TheYjmfan]

Another superb narrative on this channel. I remember this happening I’ll be honest I’m on the fence with this one.

[@jamesl9371]

Some police investigations were really unbelievable and ridiculous. I hope they have learned from the mistakes. This whole case was handled really really badly from the start

[@CharlieCharlie881]

Taff did ,he just wanted to go and play golf

[@small_joys2022]

The son must have had some connection with some of the police.... is the reason he called the non emergency number.

[@CharlieCharlie881]

@@small_joys2022 No connection

[@kirie1177]

Wait until you hear from the Ulvila murder 2005...

[@ani88-dx9qs]

How could the rifle be still there (under her arm, so higher than her thumbs, which she would have used to pull the trigger), after the recoil? The rifle should be near feet..

[@nikimadell5492]

If there were 25 shots fired, there’s no way every single family member just sat there after hearing multiple gun shots, hence the silencer had to of been used, he’s guilty!

[@fluxington]

Silencers don't actually 'silence' a gun. It's still pretty obvious to anyone nearby that a firearm is being used.

[@therealharshlycritical]

Silencers don't silence shots completely they barely work actually.

[@Skrulzie]

Silencers work in a sense of a grenade being muffled. The sound of gunfire is still heard regardless. Silencers mainly mute the "shockwave" sound of normal gunshots. Therefore using a silencer would not allow people further than 100 yards from hearing it.

[@Catenfur]

Definitely had to be Jeremy. The fact he didnt call the emergency line is one red flag. But generally when one family member survives its them that did it

[@joefreeman505]

you didn't mention that sheila never used a gun before or that her meds were making her dizzy

[@Its_a_kind_of_magic71]

That was the threat to me as a youngster from my Mum “you’re going to boarding school” “you’re going in a home” Cheers Mum my therapist says Hi

[@Kizzabell]

Same but by my dad. He went to boarding school.

[@eduagonzalez]

Omggg this was PAINFUL to listen to 🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️🤦🏾‍♀️. 😂😂😂😂 the pure incompetence

[@stevebooth9542]

Yeah, religious fanatism didn't "drive" June into bipolar episodes. She suffered from that condition and it probably played a part in her religious behavior.

[@JewelyAnne]

That’s exactly what I thought 🤔

[@ericastapleton7042]

Extreme religious fanaticism is not good for children's brains either ⭐

[@stevebooth9542]

@@ericastapleton7042 Completely agree, but saying it lead to bipolar is a grave misundestanding of mental health issues.

[@louisejones5773]

​@@ericastapleton7042 religious fanaticism might be but encouraging your kids to have a relationship with the Creator is not

[@ericastapleton7042]

@@louisejones5773 Yes I agree but I'm talking about extreme God fearing fanaticism ⭐

[@JunoAbby]

You don’t “drive yourself to manic depression” lol… and ECT is actually quite common and not some torture thing the movies make it out to be.

[@JewelyAnne]

Exactly !

[@Quizack]

Not unless “Manic Depression” was the name of a town, in which you could actually drive a car to. 😂

[@megallgurl]

Yes I'm so glad to see this comment. i was gonna say manic depression is bipolar disorder, not depression. And it's out of your control. It is based on the wiring and chemical make up of your brain.

[@CNile-se9xw]

@Corn Pop .. So true. 👍 I consider myself quite articulate, but I struggle to convince "the sane" that depression sneaks up on you & cannot be rationalised away. Well, that's been my understanding after being hospitalised for depression in 2000, and then again in 2014. In both instances, I needed multiple ECT procedures. I'm not ashamed of it, in fact, I'm proud that it was the consequence of being a loving & caring person, that I became disillusioned by society's apathy, greed, & selfishness. Something I'll never forget is that all of the residents were supportive of each other, they never discussed the reasons behind why we were there. ❤

[@amandas.7143]

what’s ECT?

[@princesabonita79]

i would hate to live in a country where the police has to call armed police and wait two hours while people are mortally wounded inside.

[@farlie3204]

Same! Good thing this was over 45 years ago and thats not how this works anymore.

[@princesabonita79]

@@farlie3204 cops in australia and NZ are still unarmed.

[@farlie3204]

@@princesabonita79okay? this story is from england tho so idk what that has to do with anything

[@farlie3204]

@@princesabonita79 Also, Australia and NZ bring firearms, but only if necessary.

[@princesabonita79]

@@farlie3204 yeah when unarmed cops call armed cops for back up. It may be a different country/time but it's still relevant. Stop pretending like you can't make the connection between the video and my comments.

[@jennjohnson2303]

As always thanks for your hard work ❤✌️ Very interesting case...in my opinion he is exactly where he should be👏 Folks you will never regret subscribing!!! Great channel😊

[@sportshatch]

One major part of the story is the gun had to be reloaded twice during this killing spree. Sheila had almost no experience in ever firing a gun and had never shown any interest in guns. There had been a struggle between the father and the assailant , the father was 6ft 3 and 200lbs and a farmer well used to physical work Sheila was 5ft 8 and 105 lbs and a model.

[@scallopohare9431]

It was possible dad was simply too shocked to defend himself.

[@fuking-s2882]

@@scallopohare9431 Possible yes...anything is possible. It's just rather improbable. The dad was defending himself according to the evidence, yet Sheila was shot twice and the story of the police cover-up only circulated much later due to their obvious incompetence.

[@sarahwarden5574]

It was not impossible at all as Nevill Bamber had been shot a number of times already, overpowering him would have been easy. New testimony has also surfaced from both the doctor at the scene and the pathologist, Dr Vanezis, who noted that he "did not find it surprising that woman of that build, in possession of a weapon possibly in a deranged stated, could cause the injuries present." When later asked if he thought that Jeremy had carried out the killings he stated that Sheila Caffell would have needed to have been drugged beforehand to lay down so peacefully (but tests showed that she had not been). He thought the idea of Jeremy as the murderer was "almost too incredible to believe" based on his findings at the post mortem. He also detailed that two shots to a person in a case of suicide is not unlikely as he had seen four or five cases in his time, and 1985 was relatively early in his career. Dr Vanezis is now a mature Professor and leading Home Office Pathologist.

[@fuking-s2882]

@@sarahwarden5574 According to the report above, they implied that he had defense wounds in addition to being shot multiple times.

[@engespress]

@@sarahwarden5574 The silencer ... impossible for Sheila to shoot herself with the silencer on. Did you miss this part?

[@sirussid3671]

I have never heard such a poor treatment of crime scene by police in long time.

[@organickevinlondon]

Yes, this case really did divided the UK population, as, half of the UK population thought it was correct for Jeremy Bamber to get life in prison for this and the other half of the UK population, wanted Jeremy Bamber to be strung up for this.

[@_Y.Not_]

This is not a woman's crime, the 25 shots, 6 to Neville's face, her own children 2 or 3 times, its just something very unlikely a woman would do. Not that they wouldn't kill, they just wouldn't do it this way. I could see drowning or poisoning or something like that even if you overlook the fact that Sheila shot herself twice. This is Jeremy

[@CourtneyTunbridge79]

Ive watched MANY different versions of this incident and i have never and probably will never waiver that it was Jeremy 100% without a doubt. I hope those 2 little babies faces haunt him every single night while he is trying to get some sleep, he is so evil.

[@philgarlic8047]

In 38 years he's never mentioned them once.

[@carolharkness5023]

@@philgarlic8047 l'm certainly not on his side, but what makes you think he has never mentioned them in 38 years ? He has been in prison !

[@CharlieCharlie881]

@@carolharkness5023 He hasn't mentioned them

[@pleasantlyblue7425]

So sad, especially the children. I truly feel that the mother calling her daughter the devil caused a lot of harm; be a positive mother and not defile your child in that manner.😊

[@mariacarola5]

there w asa mini series about this case realeased in 2020 and it was excelent! i have no doubts that Jeremy did it, he was (still is) a narcisist, i recommend watch the mini series, excelent actors and the story is very well portrayed, also is very interesting to see the perspective of the cousin who was living with Jeremy after the deaths, and how hard the police was trying to catch him , even if they didn't made a good work with evidence and stuff, they have their eyes on J the whole time!

[@energyweaver6616]

I love ur channel! I thought I was subscribed, but when I clicked the like button, I noticed I wasn't a sub, so now I am!! Thanks 4 all u do!

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

I don't know how you can give the parents such glowing parental reviews at the beginning and end, considering what you say about June's parental behaviour in the middle of this video.

[@musicful7036]

The narrator seems to contradict himself. Anyhow, it's very tiring and stressful to keep pleasing the children, there's gotta be some limits. When you stop pleasing them, they'll go against you someday. This is why I never adopt kids, imo.

[@YuneePug]

​@@musicful7036 don't all kids have potential to go against their overly strict parents? What do adopted kids have to do with that?

[@cdes1776]

Of course, they started out with the best of intentions! Things can devolve over time, especially when 'extreme' anything - here religiosity - takes over as the centre of life.

[@_balafre]

Wow Sheila looked stunning. Every picture looked like out of a magazine, R.i.p. Sheila, Daniel, Nicholas, June and Neville. And that brother can burn in hell because I know he did it obviously.

[@SpicyTexan64]

Yay Sheila! Boo ugly people.

[@angelapietras1235]

I agree he did it he even has that evil killers look.

[@dietdrpepper15]

“She shot herself twice…” I’m sorry…what?! That ALONE is all you need to know that she didn’t do it.

[@thevolatilitywhisperer7616]

Well, that's not true 100%. I researched a cpl cases where it took 2 or more attempts. Unlikely, uncommon but very possible. Nvr assume, especially concerning something so huge.

[@IAmPotatoMan69]

Some suicides with guns have to shoot themselves more than once so it's not concrete evidence.

[@sharongrigg5336]

It was deemed impossible for her height & arm length & the position of the wound's to have shot herself once with this shotgun let alone twice.

[@Cypher54533]

It was a .22 and a neck shot. a .22 long rifle isn't going to just kill you instantly. People have been shot in the heart with .22s before and lived

[@dietdrpepper15]

@@Cypher54533 usually after the first shot, the person aint up for shooting themselves a second time, the urge tends to leave you cause you are shot

[@Nikki_the_G]

Nah, he did it. Shot herself twice, get the hell outta here. He's a psychopath. But everyone in that family was crazy. Those poor boys.

[@CharlieCharlie881]

He needs to rot in jail

[@debrap947]

Guilty as charged in my opinion. May he rot!

[@jessie_sloan]

This is the secone time I've watched entire video on this page witbout knowing it was unsolved. I have OCD and go out of my way to avoid unsolved cases and was wondering if you could please label unsolved cases? 😢

[@LegumesEtFleurs]

They waited for 2 hours? Unbelievable!!!

[@michaelevans4059]

I have a .22 and you can barely hear it from downstairs in the same house

[@JusticeNotServed]

Although gross police incompetence initially, I believe the TRUE MURDERER is right where he belongs.

[@desireelevesque634]

I don't understand why if Jeremy received the call at 0330 and immediately called the police...how did it take until 0500 for the police and Jeremy to arrive? Then the officers didn't even enter the house for another 2 hours? And if the call specified that there was a gun involved, why wouldn't they send armed officers in the first place rather than hanging about outside waiting for backup?

[@dan-eq9qf]

The firearms team came at 5. The first police dispatch car arrived at 3:48 followed by Bamber one or two minutes later

[@SakuraShirakawa]

Did you skip a step? Cousin finds silencer. Blood on tip of silencer. Blood is not identified. Then after that, it is just determined that the silencer was on the weapon at the time of the murders even though the blood was not matched to anyone that had been slain? I am just saying that a weapon and a silencer can be in the same location without them being used every time the weapon is used. So the step you missed is how they determined it was used in this instance. Without that it is still feasible for her to have used the weapon for self deletion. Also both times in the neck is not descriptive enough since the first time could have missed things that would have resulted in instant death and explained why she would have done a second shot.

[@elainagilbert7663]

As an ex-pat, there's nothing I love to hear more than the police don't carry firearms. It's so refreshing and reassuring.

[@nonnyena4267]

Has anyone ever been able to confirm that Jeremy got a call from the Home at 3:30? Would those 'phone records still exist after this long?

[@CharlieCharlie881]

He didn't all made up

[@AndyP959]

And this biased account claims there was a non emergency 101 call. 101 didn't become a police number until 2006, 21 years after this event. First lie

[@Lania_25]

A little late to the party, but...no. Essex Police kept records (written) of all calls to them, but that's all. There is a call from the "dad" to the police at 3:26am stating Sheila had gone berserk, then exactly 10 minutes later, the call from Jeremy comes in. The phone numbers are different, so it is proof he was at home at the time he made that call. However, he only lived 5 minutes away from his parents. That time of the morning, no traffic, he could easily have made both calls after killing everyone in an effort to set up his alibi. On that note, how he arrived at the same time as the police has never sat right with me; he's 5 minutes drive away, but he doesn't arrive until the police do over 90 minutes later? Yeah, he called the direct line rather then 999 so that accounts for the police delay, but if you really are the concerned child, don't you drive the 5 minutes to your parents house and find out what the hell is going on?

[@michaelfrost4584]

As l, l remember this case soo well. As a very young Navy person we looked at her beautiful pictures. Then to find she and her family was killed was soo terrible 💔

[@thomasjensen6243]

Good thing she was beautiful....because if she was ugly she wouldn't matter.

[@normn2915]

​@@thomasjensen6243 ofcourse, because beauty always stands out, has no one told you that? Don't be a negative Nancy.

[@Bugsybugs]

You don’t send your condolences to the people that are dead,but to their friends and family !

[@philgarlic8047]

Totally agree, it's absolutely bonkers!

[@AlexandraDelRio1]

Americans😂

[@iamblackthorne]

​@@AlexandraDelRio1Even the dumbest among us knows better.

[@WeThePeeps13]

Whoever benefits from the murders is usually the one who's committed them.

[@CharlieCharlie881]

Yep Bamber

[@DaRkHoRsE-_-]

Jeremy did it😢 did the alleged phone call from the father to Jeremy ever get followed up? Seems that if he truly cslled Jeremy it could show a timeline and prove Jeremy was innocent.

[@ritawashere5787]

😂 Jeremy and his girlfriend are my age. At the time of the funeral 😂 look at the girlfriend wearing a Widow's cap and Veil 😂 😂 😂 he might have been in on the crime, mad he found some other girl.

[@heksedansd.2919]

For the familymembers that was killed 🙏❤

[@hellokitten469]

How come through Apples podcasts there hasn’t been a new podcast update since April?

[@Its_a_kind_of_magic71]

No wonder 🤦‍♀️ June and my late Mother could’ve been one and the same person. Electric shock treatment included. I haven’t murdered anybody but I have a bit of a temper which pushed but not violent. Struggled with drink and drugs til About ten yrs ago.

[@Real0Crime]

Just started watching, tell me if this is a solved case or not?

[@nalanimulcahy8451]

It is solved, though some people have doubts, even though the person convicted has been in prison for 38 years now.

[@Real0Crime]

@@nalanimulcahy8451 Thank you, I looked it up, creepy story.

[@WonderWhatHappened]

I'm pretty sure it was Jeremy. He may included his sister in a plot against his parents and then killed her for the money, but I also think there wasn't enough evidence to convict him especially after the botched job of the police.

[@jtwright4095]

same!

[@aromaladyellie]

How can anyone think he didn’t do it? Even without the physical evidence or the girlfriend’s testimony it seems so obvious.

[@jamesl9371]

He is so evil. Unbelievable

[@ericastapleton7042]

IMO I think the right person is in prison. I ❤ your channel and of course your voice. It's very soothing but commanding and draws me into the story/case. So thank you once again ⭐

[@ericastapleton7042]

RIP All the family and children that passed ⭐

[@michaelfrost4584]

She was soo beautiful, soo sad.

[@stevepierrpoint7385]

Well researched with a balanced view point

[@kimberlymason7080]

I don't think this case was proven. Would the gun function if the silencer was not on it? If so, I don't see how the silencer being in another room means anything. The girlfriend seems like a scorned lover to me.

[@leemarie414]

How is it that multiple channels come out with the same videos on the same story at almost the same time?

[@nalanimulcahy8451]

The news report detailing his plans for release (because of the investigation into the Essex police in this matter) is dated March 2023, so I'm guessing when something hits the current news about an old case that was interesting at the time, and has enough back story to make it an interesting youtube, the youtubers do their thing.

[@leemarie414]

@@nalanimulcahy8451 I get that. But just like John wayne gacy, there's only so many times you can put out the same videos about him before if should be considered a crime.

[@ufaloofah]

Jeremy, no-one ever doubted it. Not then, not now.

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

Lots of people in fact doubt it.

[@CharlieCharlie881]

@@countdowntorevolution9986 Only the CT who are looney lol

[@Rockysbeats]

wouldn't there be records of the dads phone call from the farm house to Jeremy

[@crazyhorse2542]

In those days, only long distance calls were itemised. The call to Jeremy was local.

[@stefan2005stefan]

He did it 100. you can't shoot yourself in the head twice.

[@LichtAnker.]

She was shot twice through the neck.

[@stefan2005stefan]

@@LichtAnker. ok but same likely ?

[@stefan2005stefan]

@@LichtAnker. and every tonne of evidence proving 100 he did it .

[@RHODATOPPING-n6w]

Police searched the house for weeks and didn't find a silencer. Jeremy never went back to live at the farm and it was only when his relatives got back in that a silencer was 'found'. Jeremy was stitched up.

[@keeshakhan7136]

I had a feeling discipline meant off to boarding school.

[@ObiWanCannabi]

101 wasnt a thing until 2011, the UK didn't really have a non emergency number back then

[@thedragodile545]

He left his loaded rifle. Ok, but the Anschutz .22 rifles I have found online have average magazine capacity at 5 shots. So he also left multiple magazines with his rifle, and Sheila, in a frenzied state, was able to keep reloading and reloading and reloading to shoot her family that many times? Nope.

[@meredithisme3752]

Knowing the pathetic UK sentencing is he out now

[@philgarlic8047]

No, and never will be. Unless it's in a casket.

[@brendaleary9281]

He just was plan evil. He did it. That hidden silencer in another building proves that he did; he hid it

[@edwardrosser938]

Man, what happened to the Spotify uploads? Was happy to haves these as a podcast on my commutes. No uploads since April 😢

[@Nomorewarsforisrael]

It’s highly unlikely that a female killed her own family and then shot herself twice in the upper body for numerous reasons, particularly that females rarely commit this type of crime and rarely kill themselves with firearms and when they do they rarely shoot themselves in the face. The son has all the characteristics of the type of individual who commits these types of crimes.

[@RickyMaveety]

Why does the color of the farm’s exterior change from image to image? Red to brown and back?

[@philgarlic8047]

The coloured one with police cars in front at 3:00 is a substitute country house hired for a TV drama series made recently and isn't the actual White House Farm as shown in other photos, e.g. at 25:06. Note the difference in chimney stacks.

[@RickyMaveety]

@@philgarlic8047 Ah, thanks. I do wish they would not do that.

[@lesliemacfarlane7731]

It is possible that she used the silencer on the family, realized she can’t shoot her self with it on , put it in the cupboard and then shot her self. There is a theory that when officers were moving evidence they set off the gun thus causing a second gunshot wound to her. There is a lot of information that doesn’t make sense and if Jeremy called because his father told him his sister was going crazy, where was Jeremy , how far away was he and shiela had undried blood on her opposed to the the others, did she contemplate killing herself , hear sirens and choose to die rather than live with her demons? Or did Jeremy get caught by her after killing the family , kill her, run and call police? So many scenarios that it’s hard to say if he’s innocent or not.

[@Valeria-mq3qn]

Wow, you have alot of really good points that definitely make this one of those cases where it’s hard to prove guilt “beyond a reasonable doubt”! I’m definitely questions everything now. If I was forced to bet, I’d say that Jeremy is guilty. However if I was on a jury and this was presented to me, I don’t know if I could sleep at night after supporting his conviction. Very interesting.

[@crazyhorse2542]

The silencer was taken apart and her blood was found in the baffles which indicated to the Police that when she was shot the silencer was attached to the gun. Jeremy was at his house in Goldhanger. Roughly a 10 minute drive from White House Farm.

[@angelapietras1235]

He has an evil look, I believe he did it defiantly.

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

It is extremely difficult to shoot oneself with a rifle, and almost impossible to shoot oneself twice. If that second gunshot wound was hours after her death there would be no blood from that wound. I want to know why he fled the country after being released?

[@libertyresearch-iu4fy]

@@WideAwakeHuman I noticed you ignored most of my comment. So how many times has a person shot themselves TWICE in the neck?

[@pepehabichuela1004]

Best narrator, awesome presentation, thank you very much 🎉

[@mrsbird2952]

I feel is they test the blood on the silencer for dna and it is Sheila’s then for sure it could not be her how do you hide a silencer when your dead? Why would the dad call the son and not 999 that seems silly to me. Idk the whole thing points to Jeremy.

[@nalanimulcahy8451]

Unless the cousin that found the silencer planted it. There was a lot to inherit, had the cousin known the adopted sister was mentally ill and the adopted brother was growing dope, maybe they thought the family fortune should go to blood relatives that didn't have problems or criminal hobbies???

[@ratso4443]

It warms the cockles of my heart to know how badly he wants out of prison.