The TwitchRivals Tetris Grand Finals Were a DISASTER

[@EebstertheGreat]

"95-41: Hafu in the lead" is hilarious. It makes the first game sound like no next box at 18 speed.

[@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin]

I remember how "No Next Box match starting from level 18" can be extremely difficult - two veterans even tied, only being able to clear a single line...

[@MualaniOsu]

@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin and then the next match one of them pressed down the first piece lol

[@gx_bonolobo]

@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin were they Alex Kerr and Koryan by any chance?

[@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin]

@@gx_bonolobo As it turns out, they were Peter and Alex.

[@matheuscabral9618]

@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin I think they cleared 1 line each

[@tweakbeacon5170]

The commentators were making some awfully bold statements. If you're mostly familiar with classic-style Tetris, their confidence in their obliviousness to try and generate hype is peak comedy.

[@anface]

their job at that point is to try to make something they know nothing about exciting, they did their best

[@superbadisfunmy]

@@anface its still funny tho

[@micetro614]

@@anface Yup! I loved the commentary!

[@tweakbeacon5170]

@@anface That is very true, but that's exactly why it's hilarious. There's potential here for a new style of comedy. Take a subject you know nothing about and try to make it sound ludicrously exciting. This is a whole new frontier -- just think of the possibilities.

[@Tremoneck]

@@tweakbeacon5170 There is the game, where everyone prepares a presentation, you get random one and then have to hold a presentation for 10 - 15 minutes about your topic

[@justinbchen]

My completely honest guess is that the organizers saw "Classic Score Attack," just assumed that that was the normal basic version of Tetris, and ran with that without digging any deeper. In my limited experience watching Twitch Rivals, the events tend to be incredibly scuffed and poorly organized. My only surprise is that this even carries over to their live events.

[@DisDatK9]

Between the horrible money share decisions Twitch makes for their streamers while forcing ads, the innate ridiculous hypocrisy they exercise nearly every week with rulings that make zero sense, that girl breaking her spine in the jump pit at Twitchcon, and then this... it's a miracle Twitch is still even functional. They drop the ball so frequently that you'd think they were sincerely trying to kill their company.

[@wingfryer]

In the end, the event organizers made a mistake by not telling the players they were playing Classic Score Attack in the Finals. It's a shame because the players had the potential to go the distance and make it an exciting match. They just needed a bit of practice on Classic Tetris. Instead, the players were practicing Modern Tetris before their Match. P.S. That was a great way to incorporate a sponsorship into a video

[@pl_skelly3046]

Yeah thats true they can just play on for example a rom for nes Tetris and practice there and get a feel on how the mechanics work

[@evanjones9602]

They also made a mistake by putting it on an arcade cabinet. Classic Tetris (or classic score attack) isn't played on arcade cabinet. It's played on PC (Classic Score Attack only) or console (both)

[@ThaGamingMisfit]

Seeing that match, it doesn't look there was any practice at all. Pretty sure it would have been shambolic either way.

[@TheMosquitto]

Glad to see you covering this 😁 When I first watched it I couldn't stop laughing, the tiny points vs the competitive 2+ million

[@Technomanicat]

It really brings into perspective how absolutely broken rolling is

[@qqwref2]

Nothing is as broken as actually practicing the game beforehand

[@ChrisFORYST]

That's why I like doing tournaments for rookies (

[@quotient9974]

It’s 300K means over 300K

[@Only_Nub]

I love that idea! Do you hold your tournaments online or at a dedicated location?

[@ChrisFORYST]

@@Only_Nub Short answer: YES. Long answer: basically everywhere in Poland we manage to set up a promotional stand. This year we had already 5 of them (located in Brzeg near Wroclaw, Poznan, Warsaw, Krakow and Gorzow Wlkp) and have three more on the way (Gliwice in Silesia region, Bydgoszcz, and Poznan again). Anyone is welcome. There is too little 300k+ PB players in the country to have more than one "big tournament" a year per version. More experienced players if they appear, serve there as mentors/coaches and occasionally clash in some showcase matches. For a country which never had an official NES/NEStris release and which despite that managed to be 2nd biggest regional community (by active players)... it's something.

[@Only_Nub]

@@ChrisFORYST That is amazing! I have been searching for something like this for a while. If it were online I would love to join.

[@ChrisFORYST]

@@Only_Nub thought about it, but... it's not on my mental health to try to make another online competition, even if it woud be beneficial for community.

95-41 what is this? a no rotation game?

[@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin]

No rotation match looks more credible... XD

[@stevemercier6691]

A part of me wish they even tried to research what is a commentary of Tetris beforehand and everything else of me thinks it's exactly perfect as it is, because I'm losing it laughing.

[@cerents5971]

Tbh, if they choose Tetris for the final game, why not bring a commentator from the scene, or invite somebody in, who knows how the game works (Like a World Champion, or a finalists). Cause that would have been a lot more interesting and easier to watch. Just letting people commente, who don't know anything about the game wasn't really interesting.

[@iantaakalla8180]

Because from other comments, it is Twitch Rivals, and quality is beyond them in any way possible.

[@kellyfreas]

What I feel is the same as how a Korean feels watching me play Starcraft against my grandma.

[@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin]

Gosh, as a Korean, I felt that feeling. XD

[@merezko4339]

As long as you get people who are willing to understand what they are going into it could be amazing. Creator Clash was a good version of KZbin boxing for that reason. And if these players were told the correct version I imagine it could have been good

[@icetanker8062]

I'm not super into Tetris but I do follow professional chess and I can play at a decent level, and whenever people think of snobby sports, none come to mind more than chess. When the pogchamps tournaments first started, so many people had that view of pogchamps ruining chess and that it's making a mockery of the game, but I think most people view these twitch tournaments more as just a bit of harmless fun and who knows, maybe some of those viewers will go on to join the community and start following the pro scene that they never would have otherwise

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

The inrony in your voice when you said you weren't able to think of a better way to start the first year of marrage than with an endless supply of Doritos tho 😂😂😂

[@Stephen-Fox]

11:30 - I can guess what Myth was thinking with the L piece - Because in Tetris and things similar to Tetris that's something I do... Annoyingly frequently. Misread a piece's handedness and try and rotate it into somewhere that it's never going to fit because it would need a flip rather than a rotate to slot in there, and there's a really neat place to slot a J in. The thing that I can't help but compare this format to is the German gameshow Schlag den Henssler (Formerly Schlag den Raab), a monthly live event where a competitor takes on Steffan Henssler (formerly Stefan Raab) in a series of games, which can be literally anything (American Football penalty shootout? They've done that. Horseshoes? It was an absolute disaster and the game was declared a tie after an hour with neither contestant nor Raab scoring. Trivia? Various formats of trivia are common. Wheelie bin races where you're only allowed to move the wheelie bin by walking on it's wheels? Sure, why not. Adding up two 30 digit numbers? Weirdly watchable, particularly since an incorrect answer forfeited the game). First event is worth 1 point, 2 points for the second, and a maximum of 15 points for the 15th event. As soon as a result is inevitable the show ends (61 points), and if the scores are tied after 15 events a final tiebreaker is played. Neither Henssler nor the contestant knows what's going to happen and have no opportunity to practice beforehand, and I can't help but wonder if this format goes as similarly left field with it's picks of events.

[@OMGITSMELOL]

hats off to the competitors for trying to respect starting speeds of the world championships by insisting on pushing down even when they didn't know how to stack

[@ThePixelPolygon]

Can't wait to see the graphs for this 😁

[@aGameScout]

average match time 2.5 minutes

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

@@aGameScout Those are level seven minutes...

[@oxey_]

@@aGameScout the one true strategy to cut back on game time

[@superbadisfunmy]

Its so much, may take months to create

[@MualaniOsu]

physical and emotional pain I bet every person who has played nes tetris for more than 1 month also has the same pain as me

[@snowydafurry4619]

I don’t even play nes and still felt pain

[@winddisorder]

I was screaming on my phone saying "YOU SHOULDVE PLACED IT THERE"

[@SciDarkReal]

I’ve played it since last Thursday when I got TE:C and I’ve never wanted to cry so badly

[@TalkedSniper322]

Part of me wonders what would’ve happened if these guys had practice on Classic Tetris. We’d probably get quite the show on the commentary, huh?

[@TheDougWay]

Yes I do think I could've easily beaten them if I were playing instead. However, it would've also been a lot less exciting as it wouldn't have been nearly as close. So overall, people would've still rather not seen me in this competition.

[@Formalec]

At least they played tetris and where all close in skill level

[@aGameScout]

yeah, it would've been anticlimactic if one of them actually was familiar with the classic rules and controls and just mopped the floor with everyone

[@JaggerG]

@@aGameScout dude honestly, if I’d been there, take a couple pieces to determine opponent’s skill; proceed to do secret grade.

[@Eichro]

what if that little girl who yells "boom" was in the audience but she didn't get to say it because nobody tetrised once

[@thomio2565]

This match had a lower all games combined score than my pb set on a calculator while in maths class 😂. Jokes aside, I understand not everyone is good at Tetris (especially the classic version), I used to be extremely bad too. And the fact it was chosen for the grand final of an event that was showcased to a lot of people is nice too, it's nice to see classic Tetris get progressively more attention.

[@Trepur349]

In defense of these streamers, they weren't playing on a keyboard or a controller but an arcade box, which might have made the whole situation harder with using a joystick to shift the piecies left/right and awkward buttons to spin pieces

[@aaronhelmsman]

Actually if you watch the second match start, they're using controllers and the cabinet is just their monitor. Look how far back they're standing as the game starts

[@welovemrp00]

I feel confident that my daughter, who I'm pretty sure has never even played Tetris, would score higher than these games

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

"I'm expecting T-spins, large clear outs, techno strats...". 🤔 What techno strats you got, next box?

[@tgamagedon]

Honestly there is even a big difference between the boxing and the Tetris. The people boxing had months to prepare, whereas these people were probably told they were going to play Tetris for 10000 dollars that day. just imagine being told you'll play ladder golf or some shit in front of millions for a crap ton of cash and you had next to no time to prepare, the last thing on your mind would be "what will the ladder golf community think?".

[@J4mison]

It’s so cool to see stuff like this happen. It makes me wish modern Tetris got more coverage

[@nathankeel6667]

Honestly classic tetris is really hard your first attempt and especially if your unfamiliar with tetris in general so they did ok considering

[@jeffersontaylor6093]

Probably really good for the scene overall, but dear jah this was painful 😂 the worst was the very end when dogdog was about to set up a tetris and they just stopped the game cuz the other guy topped out 😭

[@hayabusa8314]

Hahaha I saw a bit of this live and shut it off shortly after. It was intolerable to watch.

[@KJ7BZC]

I swear this was so hilarious and painful to watch at the same time. It’s funny how oblivious they are…

[@_DinoHat_]

the diving board strat xD that's hilarious xD

[@bkid8626]

Woooow what a weird "small world" moment from this video. I know Kitaru, but not from Tetris. He is/was part of the rhythm game (bemani) community years and years ago, and we chatted on occasion on IRC.

[@vandypants]

Straight to the top of the money list.

[@scrummybSGPSC]

Im literally cringing the entire time. So i am also noob in classic tetris but i still avrg 100k but i still enjoy the game and everyone never forget 3 2 1 TETRIS

[@present2060]

I love how he changed the title which was "tetris player reacts to celebrity streamers playing tetris"

[@aGameScout]

That title didn’t have a good click through rate, so I tried something different!

[@Frank_Lee_Terrible]

@@aGameScout better title

[@Nulono]

It's probably been 15 to 20 years since I last played _Tetris_ Classic, and I'm pretty sure I could've done better than that.

[@Juanmaq8]

Why Twitch doesn't call people from the Classic Tetris community to commentate on this? I mean, when they did pogchamps they had chess streamers and IMs narrating it

[@Kami_North]

dogdog had the power of dogplaystetris on his side, winning the whole thing

[@TakuikaNinja]

...and I thought *I* was bad at nestris 😬

[@UltimatumDemon]

Yeah, now we all know you're the worst

[@Jay-Kaizo]

I mean yeah, it's like giving a classic mario speedrunner a kaizo level. They're gonna be lost and they'd have to add 200 extra input timings to their game besides jumping lol. The cringe part is that they couldn't find anyone that knew a thing about tetris to commentate? I can see the streamers who plays slots and Fortnite for a living having issues, but why not just have the commentator's watch a 2 minute KZbin video ;p Especially for such a classic, timeless game

[@KrovaSteam]

you were much kinder than the commentary than I was when I described this to friends lol

[@LetsChat]

"Chase down within a two minute window...." oh, so is that the new ruleset for CTWC?

[@aGameScout]

Not for CTWC, but that's how it is in Classic Score Attack.

[@Jay-Kaizo]

I don't know. What else can even be said about this? It's like 2 teams of irl streamers trying to beat the first level of burger time 😂

[@andTutin]

dogdogplayingtetris

[@snowydafurry4619]

I can’t really play nes tetris but I’ve played an arcade version I felt so much pain just by watching them “play”-twitch rivals is too modern for it also the way they said some things “the big clear”

[@xenotypos]

And I thought I was shitty at this game rofl, I didn't expect even complete beginners to be this bad. I barely ever played tetris tbh (there were like three occasions, always classic), but I assume the difference is that I've watched a lot of competitive matches (it was fun for me, weirdly), because I've never been near as horrible as them. Or maybe it's because I play other puzzle games, but I never thought games like puyo had that much (or anything) in common with tetris :/

[@somakorosi1568]

I guess the 1-year supply of Doritos will be useful for them to practice Tritris, adequately the grand finals should have showcased that rather than the classic version.

[@Jeff044]

have you ever considered trying to check out newer tetris games such as tetrio? the tournaments in those are amazing

[@jacobcastro218]

Dude is only accustomed to classic tetris, how tf is he gonna comprehend 10+ b2b and fast paced stacking

[@josecampos7157]

Didn't Jonas invent Dance Dance Tetris? That at level 0 speed would be good for novice tetris players, even against more experienced players.

[@halfaheartbongobongo]

they should do this again and have you commentate :)

[@Chococat1314]

i never thought i'd get embarrassed watching a tetris game that wasn't my own but wow was i proved wrong

[@hauntedsunsets]

I've never even played NEStris but I can tell how much twitch rivals absolutely disrespected the game. leaving everyone to practice modern tetris on PC and then leave them fumbling with unfamiliar controls on classic tetris so that nobody really gets to enjoy it that much

[@alecrutz956]

I kinda get not being used to NES tetris, but some of these genuinely look like they've never played tetris before. I mean no disrespect but man... those boards become a mess near instantly, even as a kid I was able to somewhat decently stack for a little while even if not the best.

[@JaggerG]

Actually, the comparison to boxing is a lot different. Boxing is legitimately dangerous. I can see professional boxers being seriously concerned for the amateurs’ health. There isn’t much risk in clearing 7 lines in classic Tetris on a 7 start.

[@evanjones9602]

I played a couple of games on emulator on 7 starts with no classic Tetris experience and averaged around 10,000, maxing out around 25,000.

[@1e1001]

11:17 seems that Myth was probably attempting to setup a Z-spin (if that were possible here :))

[@skepticpunk_]

This reminds me of that fucking Maxivision game competition thing with Hulk Hogan and a bunch of other pro wrestlers.

[@xenowrath]

its super interesting, because I have never heard of any of these twitch streamers

[@bqh3795]

watching this was such a ride lol

[@antonioguglielmetti2661]

I feel your pain GameScout.

[@jables_1992]

Jamesbot needs to stick to commentating on the rocket league championship series, that was painful

[@8bitbaz50]

I thought that was wavepunk and jamesbot lol

[@tricklength]

the insanity of the 9k score

[@evanjones9602]

Just played level 7 start on TEC (tetris is 9,600), promptly got a 40k

[@McDudes]

TwitchRivals always seems to be disasters. I remember the elden ring one being 100% rigged from the start, where everyone was noobs vs Oroboro's who's been streaming and making videos on Souls pvp for over a decade now.

[@metropolis10]

I deleted my previous comment as I came down way too hard on this video. I'm sorry. It ignored both the goodwill you've built and did not give you the benefit of the doubt. Thank you for responding. It also ignored the fact that Twitch Rivals at its core is meant to be ridiculous and funny, watching "celebrities" fail while putting a lot on the line is part of its charm, a tried and true formula. So this video goes in line with that. I still believe there was a missed opportunity here as you could potentially have had so many new eyes on actual Competitive Tetris through Twitch Rival Algorythm gods, but let's be honest the community will never beat THAT finals. So it's fine, really. Sorry about that.

[@nguyencraft0195]

where can i find the original link to the twitch rivals Tetris show?

[@wingfryer]

Here's the video of that Tetris match. kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4eag5-aZtJrfbsfeature=shared Full VODs of the 2021 Twitch Rivals event can be found on KZbin.

[@AaronW3]

To play in the Honda Fan Cup, would I have to buy Tetris Effect and then sign up?

[@beanedtea]

Even as a non-classic Tetris player, this is extremely painful to watch

[@Kibi_Byte]

someone post that remainings edit

[@Remainings]

it’s all about surviving 💥

[@evanjones9602]

8,000-4,000 is exceptionally low. In higher level competitive Tetris you might get more like 800,000-400,000.

[@UzzyT.]

That was embarrassing! I get your boxing analogy.

[@grashoprsmith]

Timmy's "cracked"

[@aenstreams1998]

The ONE game im prepared to crush and i dont have the prerequisite millions of subscribers :(

[@thomasdalton1508]

"Early DAS load"?! You are giving them far too much credit there!

[@johnmanfreda2738]

Looks like when my family members try to play lmfao, at least it was clear they all had a bit of practice before and it wasn't brand new to them

[@ig2d]

How many Tetrises were there?

[@aGameScout]

None lol

[@halfagon]

a single Tetris can win easily

[@kypdurron62]

How the eff can anyone who gets to be on Twitch Rivals this bad at Tetris? Just on general gamer skills you should be able to handle Level 7.

[@Manche-De-Pelle]

I just went to twitch but chat is reserved to authentified user. I don't own a cell phone so there's no advantage to follow ctw there

[@andrewhazlewood4569]

With no terises is it still called Tetris?

[@MatthewBluefox]

Dogdog Playing Tetris! =D

[@TheStrongestBaka]

At least the streamers i used to watch a lot furing my Hearthstone phase won. They are quite good... at turn-based games.

[@MickaelBNeron]

It legit hurts to watch their placements. Imma need therapy after watching this lol.

The most horrible tetris game ever played on a live competition XD

[@ChrisFORYST]

played on a live competition and streamed globally. We had worse in Poland. :D

[@xFayth]

Even for people not used to playing tetris this is incredibly bad XD, i've seen 10 year olds who can barely hold a controller do better. Very painfull to watch

[@dommguard]

That was cringe to watch... How could you do this so calmly?

[@dimitriskontoleon6787]

But the control in the event was much deference...

[@FloydMaxwell]

That's officially the worst Tetris playing I've ever seen.

[@adventuresinthegreatmyster7907]

This was hilarious! Looked just like my games - LOL

[@__Jan__]

it really hurts to watch this 😞

[@SoulinSadness]

That was kinda painful to watch....

[@pickle_spears]

this is painful

[@autdelux]

how can someone be so bad at tetris omg and this are the finalists? ^^ great find i never watch that twitch rivals thing very entertaining

[@baronawc]

as a modern player even i would probably outlive them just by stalling :)

[@chupasaurus]

In TE:C you have 2 minutes to catch up with your opponent's score, so that tactic isn't super viable.

[@baronawc]

@@chupasaurus well yeah, but 4000 points isn't hard to get

[@mcyogourt2071]

Just SDPC DPC spam them. I’m sure 300apm could top them out pretty fast.

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

How are the best players in the world playing this awful? I would've wiped the floor with them!

[@aGameScout]

They weren't told the right mode to practice on, unfortunately

[@saturnfox3]

“anyone over 18” :(

[@aGameScout]

an unavoidable requirement due to legal reasons, unfortunately.

[@DevilishlyDutch]

Nothing quite like twitch rivals to make you feel good about your skill level I guess 😂

[@remixtheidiot5771]

they only rotate in one direction lol.

[@chrisestes2383]

They got paid like 2 dollar's a point lol