The Two Brothers - Aromanian collection

[@saebica]

This is the real Aromanian language We have to continue to speak our language and keep it alive S'nâ bâneadzã Armânamea di iutsido sh'nu alâsãm s'chiarâ a nostã limbâ! I will put the script in Aromanian

[@djpikas0]

Aromâna e un dialect al limbii române,la fel cum sunt celelalte dialecte regionale.De-oi începii io și vorovăsc așe cum făce bunăme acie bătrână,apoi mulț dân București n-or înțălejii marii lucru...Dar asta nu face sa vorbim alt grai.Am tot ascultat clipuri despre aromânii/vlahii din Balcani și pot înțelege peste 90% din ce vorbeau.A fost mai greu când am vizionat și ascultat clipuri despre Istro-români sau maurovlahii din peninsula Istria.Limba lor s-a schimbat foarte foarte mult,acceptând multe cuvinte din croată

[@saebica]

@@djpikas0 Accentul, e accent, limba e limbă :)

[@djpikas0]

@@saebica nu-i nici o limbă.Ce vorbești tu in armâneste,pot scrie și eu in cu litere latine și fără accent și tot aia e.Inteleg aproape la perfecție tot ce vorbesc armânii,poate mai greu cuvintele cu proveniență grecească sau “albanează”,dar le pun in contextul frazei și inteleg ce se vorbește.Dacă te uiți la limba română de pana in secolul XIX când a început modernizarea limbii,ai sa vezi ca diferența dintre vlăhește,Rmâneștii,armânestii și rumâneștii e foarte foarte mică.Să fii armân e ca și cum aș zice io ca îs Crișan(din Bihor).Armânii care trăiesc in Balcani fix de asta nu au drepturile respectate cum trebuie.Grecii zic ca is greci latinități,Sârbii le zic ca is vlahi...și uite așa ei nu există sau is considerați cantitate neglijabilă.E fix cum moldovenii din Basarabia vorbesc “limba moldovenească”...

[@Cec1nator]

eu sunt român constantean si consider ca trebuie sa va pastrati cultura, traditia si limba, dar nu consider ca machidonii sunt o alta nationalitate. Toti suntem români :)

[@djpikas0]

@@Cec1nator pai și normal ca trebuie.La fel cum noi in Bihor ne-o păstram,sau in Cluj,ori la Constanța sau in Moldova...

[@alexgreen8232]

I understand 70% without knowing Aromanian. In some aspects there is also the perfect simple used in Oltenia - Romania, in other aspects like Io (sa) hiu hie, like in Transylvania and there are also many words that sound closer to Moldovan Romanian.

[@ddpmk355]

The palatization of /p, b, f, v, m/ before /i/ is very widespread in Aromanian. fiu > hiu (son), miere > nieri (honey), piept > chiept, etc

[@alexgreen8232]

@@ddpmk355 My north Transylvanian grandparents and relatives from the villages spoke and speak exactly like that. Hiu - to be and son, mniere, chiept or thiept, etc. mnieri is in Moldova.

[@alexgreen8232]

@@ddpmk355 Modern Romanian acquired 20-30% neologisms from other Romance languages but if we use Archaic Romanian only proves a very deep and solid connection of all east Romance speakers left today, from North Carpathians to South Balkans and from the west Carpathians to beyond Dniester and often attested beyond the Bug river, which coincides with the area of spread of Geto - Dacians and Thracians.

[@ddpmk355]

@@alexgreen8232 I didn’t know there are Romance-speaking communities that far inside Ukraine. Interesting!

[@alexgreen8232]

@@ddpmk355 My dear our ethnicity spread was a lot bigger than is known today. South half of Maramures county is in north Romania, but until before the WWs Maramures county included also the upper half in todays Ukraine, east Slovakia and north east Hungary. North Bukovina area in Ukraine was also mostly Vlachs - Romanians and Stephen the Great of Moldavia in XV century fought few wars to recover Pocutia in Galicia - west Ukraine and Podolia, which he considered that always belonged to his forefathers. He also brought 100k Ruthenians (Ukrainians) from the north in those areas of north Moldova that time to increase the population and pay taxes by working the land. Russian language contain a lot of Latin origin words that came from the Proto - Romanian of the assimilated Vlachs in time. In the early 13 century on both sides of Bug river are attested Volohovenii, who used to be under Cumans and Rus until they joined the Mongols in the Battle of Kalka 1223, where the Mongols of Subutai destroyed the Cumans and Rus and thereafter the Volohovenii boyars became well threated and respected at khans courts. They eventually vanished during the Hetmanate of Cossacks, from the Grasshoppers and Haymakers as free man, which initially were ethnic Vlachs at north of Black sea, around Dnieper river, before were Slavicized in time and became special troops of the Russian empire. During the WW2 in 42 - 43 Romanian census between Bug and Don rivers still found 350k families speakers of Moldo - Romanian that time and 120k more that declared as such but didn't speak the language anymore. The Vlachs of west Carpathians and Moravia is another sad story of genocide and assimilation by the Habsburgs and the Slavs of the area. In south Hungary and west Croatia today there were 2 Vlach counties until 2-3 centuries ago. Not to mention a lot of Serbian land and the Adriatic coast. Going back to the Mongol invasion also coincided with the Romanian principalities formantion at north Danube, as the Mongols destroyed the empires around the area and the Vlach statelets around Carpathian mountains could unite under the Bessarab dynasties of Bessi Vlachs. They were Romanized and Christianized former Thracian Bessi of central Balkans, sent by Iustinian to found saint Katherine monastic complex in Sinai Peninsula, for they were renown for being very religious within the eastern Roman empire. They returned to Balkans after Arab invasion of the area and found their area settled by Slavs and probably the turanic Volgars, so is said that they moved to south Carpathians somewhere in the second half of 7 century, where they founded Sinaia monastic complex, a holy and ancient monastic place to Romanians. Something like Meteora and Athos to south Balkan Vlachs and Greeks.

[@theodorgr.188]

He is a Greek Wlach like I am.I understood most of it.He also used Greek words.The way he narrates reminded me of my grandparents and many of my relatives.They had the same way of narrating.

[@xripkan6623]

Από Ήπειρο είσαι?

[@theodorgr.188]

@@xripkan6623 ναι

[@afrimlargimi16382]

Is sad that you all dont speak you language, insted all pretending that you all some sort of Molossians. There is nothing wrong on Arumenian language , and the thick minority (i think that Aromanian are majority in Epirus) should ask to Greek goverment the regonision of Arumenian language as official in Epirus.

[@theodorgr.188]

@@afrimlargimi16382 Im greek wlach.Nothing more nothing less, just greek and there is nothing sad about it.You dont need to ask any goverment....just ask me.IM GREEK....there is no arromunian ethnicity.We just speak a language wich came in our land with the Romans.In today Romania,Serbia,Bulgaria, Albania are wlachs too, but there is nothing except the language that connect us.NOTHING!! Oh,sorry there is something, we all are europeans!!

[@afrimlargimi16382]

@@theodorgr.188 I cant expect more than a selfhate from a shepherd lol.

[@BillyLongshot]

am ascultat-o pana la capat pentru ca e foarte frumos spusa. Asa cum trebuie, cu intonatia si exprimarea potrivite. Multumesc! At first, I was only curious about how much it resembles Romanian. But I ended up listening to all of the story because I liked the way it is told. He has a very pleasant intonation and way of speaking. Thank you!

[@AS-ci1kh]

Multumim ca ne aduceti graiul domniilor voastre la urechile noastre! Doamne ajuta tuturor!

[@Iuliica]

Frumoasa limba ❤️❤️

[@empyrionin]

The subtitles really helped here. When he speaks fast it's difficult to understand. I noticed some words like chorga which are not that widespread. Comprehension with subtitles is about 80% in my case, possibly more if I pause. But damn some words are really twisted, took a while.

[@alexgabriel5423]

Some words are borrowed from the Greek...xenitia abroad, tora now, etc.

[@rogerius1]

Amazing, minunat, thavmasio !...mushata!

[@GianniJohn]

Beautiful story, interesting language and narration

[@popacristian2056]

Eu inteleg daca sunt atent cam 30% din cuvinte, fiindca nu vreau sa exagerez.

[@mihailaghioritul2517]

O poveste interesntă despre un tată cu doi feciori, foarte bine povestită.

[@vlach9620]

He îs farsherot alright. Just like my grandmother he says turna not turna(to turn back) like The others. But he also uses some greek and albanian pronunciation of our words.

[@vlach9620]

@@nestingherit7012 Este incorect in "Româna literară" dar nu este gresit.A turna la bătrânii vechi insemna a se intoarce ca la aromânii,a prins insemnatatea de a curge ceva intr-alt ceva dar originalul era ca și în latină a se intoarce.Intoarce vine iar din latină intorquere si este sinonim cu turnare.întornu este o formă mai arhaică.

[@nerogreek9739]

So beautiful language, sounds so old latin!!! I noticed one greek word = the ''ksenitiau'' in greek is ''kseniteftoun''

[@saebica]

Yeah.. "Xeniftoun". As we don't know the Greek alphabet, we transformed it into "xeniteauâ/kseniteauâ"

[@nerogreek9739]

@@saebica The Vlachs are the oldest people in balkan peninsula. Their language has also old balkanik words, maybe a dacian idiomatic language.

[@saebica]

@@nerogreek9739 Yeah.. We Romanians know four main Romanian languages/dialects: - Dacoromanian(Today's Romanian) - Aromanian/Vlach(not the one in Serbia) - Istroromanian(Istria peninsula, Croatia) who are less and less each year - Meglenoromanian(who live in Greece, many of them) Aromanian have their own dialects: Gramushteanji/Cioanji(from the Greek side) and Fârsherots(from the Albanian areas) Gramushteanji can be Bijduveanji(from Bulgaria's Bijduva city), Lupuveanji(from Lupova), câlivenji, lupucenji.. Each with the name from the area or the city The other ones, from what I know and I'm not sure, is that we have "moscopoleanji" from Moskopole, pindenji, from Pindus mountains, and some more I can't remember

[@nerogreek9739]

@@saebica Exactly! You are imformed! And i think Romanians are the oldest nation in Europe. Romanians are the paternal nation for Greeks. Love Romania from Greece! Greetings!

[@saebica]

@@nerogreek9739 Haristo multu, frati! S'bânedz cu harauâ shi s'ai etâ lungâ! Thank you so much, brother! May you live with happiness and may you have a long life

[@jorham1]

I am a native italian speaker who knows greek and i understand a lot...this is a romamce dialect with some greek words.I can't understand how some people can describe it as dacian or something else. stop nationalism and look to reality!

[@simplexsimplex7577]

Who said that the language is Dacian?! It is Romanian with a quite distorted pronunciation and a lot of foreign words that are not used in Romania.

[@athanasiusdicia117]

Hello frate!!! You would be hugely surprised when you read surnames of my region in Western Greece. a) families relative to mine (Diccia); Capurani, Gianni, Dimarelli, Ciuccia, Busia, Vongoli, Reppa, Scupra, Mazzola, Baggio, b) some other, non relative to mine, but also Aromani; Coletti, Buttari, Zappa, Bulgari, Cotta, Nasica, My places of origin, Furca, Praetori(a), Giurgia, Moschopolis, and through the Capurani family of my grandmother, though non confirmed but through oral tradition, from Caput Histriae, aka Capodistria, having moved since 16th century, due to plague, southwards, settled in Albania, then Greece. Some toponyms of Aromani in Greece; Santa Maria de Praetoria, (settled from my town Praetori(a), (transcribed to Samarina through centuries of linguistic corruption of the initial name), Velestino, Syrrako, Giurgia, Ameru, Metsovo, Calarites, Furca, . We're the remains of Legio Quinta Macedonica, hence the ethnonyms, Macedo-Romani and Cincari (cinci=5 in Limba Aromaneasca), and our language is purely Romance, deriving from sermo vulgaris, as all Romance languages. Family Bulgari, as well as Giorgio Armani (i've been aware of through some people close to him over the years), are of Aromani descent.

[@thesecretlibrary890]

*Romance language The Neogreek words are a result of language attrition and neglect. The truest Aromanian language has very few Greek words and it is truly only Romance.

[@Se2n67g9r]

Because dacians spoke like this. Check out the list of dacian plant names, that is the only source of real dacian words. Look at the similarity with modern romanian pronunciation.

[@valevisa8429]

As a Romanian is pretty hard to understand him.Our languages separated about 1.000 years ago.

[@i97ccp]

Am inteles povestea ascultand-o cu atentie, foarte multe cuvinte vechi sunt ca la noi in Oltenia (vorbeste in perfetcul simplu) trastu =traista, ciumaga=ciomag, musat = frumos (arhaism, nu se mai foloseste, a ramas ca nume de familie), ghini e regionalism moldovenesc, din titrari nu am priceput mare lucru, iar cele din engleza nu au nici o treaba cu ce zice el. Seamana cu o poveste pe care ne-o spunea de strabunica mea cand eram mici.

[@mishacol]

lol. fine - bine - ghine

[@apojoga]

The subtitles are out of sync.

[@igorjee]

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