Legend from Koupa - Meglen-Vlach Collection

Dionisie Papatsafa is reading the legend about the foundation of his village Cupa in Meglen-Vlach.
Vanishing Languages and Cultural Heritage (VLACH) ID-number: megl1237MKV0003a
Description:
Dionisie Papatsafa (Macedonian: Papacafa), the author of the book "Prikozmur din Meglenia" (Влашки прикасни од Меглене, Скопје 1997) is reading the legend of the foundation of his village Cupa (Greek: Koupa) in Greek Macedonia. Papatsafa was, like his father, a teacher at the Romanian school in his native village. As a graduate of the former Romanian High School in Thessaloniki, he spoke fluent Romanian, despite the fact he had never been to Romania. Beginning in 1864, Romanian authorities financed more than hundred Romanian schools in Aromanian and Meglen Vlach villages throughout the Southern Balkans. When the last schools were closed following the second world war, Papatsafa was forced to leave the country. He handed over the keys of the school to Greek officials and settled in Skopje in the former Yugoslavia. The example he reads from his book refers to a legend he heard from older generations in his village. As in all other Meglen Vlach villages, it is also said that Cupa/Koupa was located somewhere else and was formed by merging a number of smaller settlements. According the legend, the villagers were forced to battle the plague until they decided to follow a bee which showed them the ideal place to form a permanent village that was resistant to the horrors of the terrible disease.
Cite as:
Legénda din Cúpa - Legend from Koupa; performer: Dionisie Papatsafa; camera/ interview/ transcription/ translation: Thede Kahl; editor: Ani Antonova, retrieved from www.oeaw.ac.at/VLACH, ID number: megl1237MKV0003a.
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[@LatinSlav]

as a romanian i understod everything ,and i understand the writing beneath the english one, is like a dialect in Oltenia, words are exaclly like in romanian but with an accent , and it's like they made the words shorter thanks to the accent, it is very nice to hear, i am now looking to buy a book in this language

[@nickcohen4900]

You are not Romanian , you are vlah .

[@apollon6870]

how about aromanian and istro?

[@HaartieeTRUE]

@@apollon6870 only speaking for myself, but aromanian is a bit harder to understand then this one. There are a lot more non-common/similar words. Istro-romanian, never heared, will have to look it up

[@addylupe5997]

Megleno-Romanian is closer to Romanian than Aromanian is to Romanian (but they are closer to each other still). Fascinating language, kind of shows the evolution of these languages as an intermediate between them. Wish it wasn't dying out!

[@saebica]

As I'm a Romanian Aromanian, and very passionate about languages, I can understand him very welll. Meglenoromanian has always seemed so interesting. Meglenoromanian is soooomehow more close to nowadays Romanian

[@pompidanasel2128]

La bunici mei am gasit multe cuvinte citite in aceasta legenda. Limba romama a imprumutat multe cuvinte din franceza cu ocazia trimiterii la studi in Franta a tinerilor famililor boieresti. Frumoasa limba au pastrat armanii.Si pt mine aceasta veche limba este dulce.Bravo armanilor

[@nickcohen4900]

@@pompidanasel2128 Nu le zice armani ca este fraudulos . Sunt vlahi . As e corect vlahi , valahi , nu romani si nici aromani . Roman este un termen fraudulos inventat de Vatican .

[@pompidanasel2128]

@@nickcohen4900 si eu cunosc ca tuturor vorbitorilor de latina din balcanisi in imprejurimi chiar din vechime li s a spus vlahi,vlash,vlahoi,volohi si chisr Oleniei,Munteniei,,VALAHIA,, Dar pt faptul ca multi vlahi de la sud de Dunare inclusiv Grecia isi spun armani si pt a putea purta cu acestia un dialog acceptat si costructiv folosesc termenul ,,arman,, Unii isi zic machedoni in Balkani si chiar in Donrogea considerindu se urmasi ai faimosului ALEXANDRU MACHIDON.Pe mine ma doare ca Romania nu a facut suficiente eforturi ca sa elucideze cu dovezi istoria populatiei vorbitoare de ,,latina,,din Balkani si nu acautat la nivel international sa faca o debatere pe aceasta tema De ex ,in Serbia unii isi zic vlahi iar altii romani lucru speculat in defavoarea tuturor de catre Serbia.Noi pe internet ne contrzicem pagubos fara sa avem dovezi solide de la eventuale studi(cercetari) unanim recunoscute daca se poate .E dureros ca in timpuri de libertate nu se aplica depturile minoritatilor in Balkani.Mai rau se practica cu cinism piederea identitati populatiea vlahe. PUN O INTREBARE,,OARE NU VEDE DUMNEZEU ACEASTA NELEGIURE SI NU O VA PEDEPSI?.,(cand EL a zis ,,SA IUBESTI PE APROAPELE TAU CA PE TINE?).

[@nestingherit7012]

@@nickcohen4900 Lasane in pace rusule. Ce ai comentat in videoul Drum Bun?

[@specularverzide9972]

​@@nickcohen4900Jidane, la 1330 Valahia (ungro-vlahia) se numea in limba tarii Țara Romaneasca in grafie chirilica. Cum sa fie fraudulos termenul? Fraudulosi sunteti voi care va spuneti israel chiar daca sunteti sinagoga satanei (Apocalipsa 3:12).

[@barbadoskado2769]

from bucharest and understood it, interesting to see different languages/dialects related to romanian!

[@florentinapopa8299]

❤❤❤

[@sunce2750]

Mengle Amrani si Vlahi suntem peste totul Golbul ma pare rau ca nimena nu sa intereseza sa sa scrie de d neu si sa sa aude .ca unde traim traim dar noi suntem cred ca Historia nustim si generacia nu stie care vine dar si limba .Sa fim toti Sanatosi

[@dragossh]

I wish this existed when I was 7th grade and learned about the Balkan Romanian communities for the first time.

[@vlach9620]

Meglen is something between romanian and aromanian

[@sadiksulejmanovic3026]

As a banat guy i understood every word , the times of my grandfathers they spoke 100% like the man on this video ! A real old romanian !!!

[@CRP17]

You are from Banat with such a name? Maybe mixed or what?

[@WizavPRO]

A lot of Aromanians are muslims (in bosnia) for example @@CRP17

[@9_9876]

​@@WizavPRO there are no Aromanian Muslims and there are also no Aromanians in Bosnia

[@WizavPRO]

@@9_9876 We have regions in Bosnia called (Even today): "Old Vlach mountain", "Romania" "Romanian Plain" "Cincar field" "Cincar mountain" also are you saying that my ancestors were non-latin speakers just to suit your own agenda. In 1200 A.D. 50% of Bosnia were latins. We are still denied to call ourselves Aromanians or Cincars due to politics.

[@9_9876]

@@WizavPRO it's just strange, because I am Romanian, so what you say technically fits my agenda, but I have read a lot about our brotherly communities in the Balkans and I have never heard of anything about a Romance community still alive in Bosnia... If anything, you might have Aromanian ancestors who assimilated into Bosniaks, but again it is strange because Aromanians did not convert to Islam massively, it was just individuals. The only case of an Eastern Romance community converting to Islam is the village of Nânti today in Greece and those are Megleno-Romanians. Your case is interesting and strange to me. If you truly have Romance ancestors, I'd be pressed to believe they were proto-Romanian/Romanian/"proto-Istro-Romanian" (aka Morlach) transhumants who migrated to Bosnia since Aromanians rather stayed in the southern Balkans. It is known we did this and this is how the Istro-Romanians arrived to Istria. There was also a region called Morlachia. I doubt they were Romance people from Roman times (Romanized Illyrians) because they are simply not attested in any scientific literature.

[@juliannah8187]

😮😮😮😮 archaic romanian language

[@nestingherit7012]

Catun= cit un, semnificand un asezamant foarte mic.

[@artv.9989]

nu

[@Shadowsthetics]

As a Romanian I understand half of it

[@alexgreen8232]

Meglens speak a clear Romanian language. They are attested to have migrated from above the Danube and the Sava river a thousand years ago, during Basil II, when they claimed the land of their Roman ancestors from the Byzantines. Megali Wallachia was for 2-300 years an autonomous and independent state, over the Thessaly and most of Macedonia, until were incorporated first by the Serbia empire of Dusan, then were all conquered by the Ottomans and mostly disappeared from the map. Meglens were also in the Ottoman army that along the Serbians were defeated by Mircea the Elder at Rovine in 1395, where their ruler Constantin Dragash, along the ruler of Zeta - Balshici, another Slavicized family of Vlach origin, and the Serbian ruler - Mrnjavcevic, where all killed in battle by the winning Wallachians.

[@nicknolte6420]

Meglens(name of region given from bulgars) are only accept vlasi name for them (the name vlasi was given to them by the slavs neighbors because of the latin language)..They are natives people of macedonia around mountain paik.there is archeological findings from the roman era and from alexander the great era.their language is latin from the roman occupied era about 2000 years ago.the villages are in the ancient amfaxitis passage,so for the ancient romans was very important .( reason why the meglen vlach people starting to speak latin.)The traditional clothes of the women have 3 small shields , it is traditional ancient macedonian custom,nobody in romania has that,also the men clothes have alot in common with ancient macedonians. There is no prove or mension by ancient writer that the so call meglen came from another region.They are natives.

[@alexgreen8232]

​@@nicknolte6420 There are official documents on Meglens. Byzantine general Kekaumenos, who fought them 1000 years ago and married the daughter of the Meglen Vlach ruler, tells us that the Meglens were "Dacians from the Danube and Bessi" returning to claim their ancestral land from the Greeks. He also tells us that their generic name is Vlachs. Anna Komnene also tells us that on both sides of the Danube there are many wealthy Dacian tribes and bellow Haemus Mts there are Thracians and Macedonians and they all were known that time as Vlachs. After a 1000 years Megleno - Romanian language is clearly Romanian, a lot easier to understand by Romanians than the Aromanian.

[@nicknolte6420]

@@alexgreen8232 Show me the documents,that is a lie,the name meglen vlach was given first by Gustav Weigand in 1889 to describe the people of the meglen area that spoke latin,because the aromanian language was different ,aromanians vlach and meglen vlach have different origin.so to say that there is a mension for meglen vlach is a lie,there was however a vlach named chrysos who had for a few years an empire ,maybe that was his daughter,but as i said the slavs called at the time all the latin speaking people vlachs,even the germans.stop spreading inaccurate informations,the archeological findings at the meglen vlach villages from alexander the great era 323 bc and roman era 145 bc show them native macedonians,as for the latin language ,the romans spoke and used latin .so the amfaxitis an ancient region with the capital cities of gortynia and atalanti had a passage to almopia (meglen)region that passage is populate with the meglen vlachs ,the natives macedonians who guarded that passage for the romans.Not all latin dialect speaking people are romanians.Not all the english speaking language are englishs .una uara si un vakot.

[@nestingherit7012]

Dacian tribe Carpii moved by the Romans to many parts of empire. Ad 275/300

[@alexgreen8232]

@@nestingherit7012 Attested in south west Pannonia and in Moesia Inferior and Scythia inferior, plus a west move towards historical Bukovina, Maramures, Transcarpathia and east Slovakia. Carpi material culture is also attested in the 5-6 century mingled between the so called Sclaveni culture, shifted from the 7 century south of Danube. Whatever was consider as Slavic cultures in Moldova, Muntenia and Ukraine were in fact traces of 5th century Carpi culture and part of their spread and move.

[@luciangabrielpopescu]

the language is closer than Aromanian: about 70-80% lexical similarity. You can almost understand, but there are too many unknown words (a "dara", de exemplu)