The Two Futures Of Automation: Capitalism VS Socialism

[@andyzhang7890]

There was this tweet that completely opened my eyes- it went something like " how fucked does our system have to be that robots doing things for us is a BAD thing?"

[@SpoopySquid]

@@Scorpiogirl_1029 it's entirely possible, just not under capitalism

[@Scorpiogirl_1029]

@@SpoopySquid True. Capitalism is just utter garbage.

[@filipwolffs]

It's a truly baffling situation. We're getting closer to having the majority of work performed by robots, and people not only act like that's a bad thing, they're completely confused by the suggestion that it might *not* be a bad thing.

[@ideologically_uncharged8069]

In my case, it was polandball comic where America and Russia were talking about robots. America bragged to Russia how capitalism created such an innovation and Russia (modern Russia strangely) asked wouldn't robots be better under communism since it can enrich the people? I thought communism was just everyone getting stuff equally at the time (which is a severe misunderstanding) but it did leave a small awareness in the back of my mind for years until I actually learnt what communism actually was. (I learnt from Second Thought actually, lol)

[@hellgorama]

Some economists even say that a country having lots of natural resources are a curse.

[@edeniaAJ]

I too want to live in a world where, when a robot takes your job, that news fills you with joy, not with dread.

[@collins9708]

I think it's safe to say that if you currently work a job that can be easily replaced by AI, then you already live a life of dread. I don't know where you work or what you're job is but there is nothing fulfilling of such a job. But then again, maybe that's just me and you actually love it.

[@투루-l3e]

@@collins9708 what’s your point? the point isn’t that they like the job, it’s that they need it

[@collins9708]

@@투루-l3e so what kind of job do you have, mind telling us about it?

[@collins9708]

I only say this because I know from experience what it feels like to truly dread a job and if you truly dread a job, then there isn't much different between dreading not having a job and dreading the one you currently have. And out of experience, the jobs I dreaded the most where the ones a robot or a monkey could do. I consider myself very fortunate and have turned my life around now pursue my dream job and life has come together and I finally have fulfillment. But it wasn't too long ago I hated waking up in the morning and going to work just to hate it and do it all again on repeat. It was true dread so much so that I enjoyed my freedom, my free time when I was not at work so much that I put off sleep so I could get as much time as possible destroying myself in the process and being so tired all the time I wouldn't enjoy anything at all. I was in an endless loop and felt stuck. Life sucked and there was no hope of it getting better. It was it. I worked a dread type job and the only jobs I could get were dread type jobs because I didn't have any skills in life. The types of jobs that require 0 skills are the exact type of jobs a robot or a monkey could do and you can not obtain any skills from a job that requires 0 to begin with. You get nothing out of it and you are truly stuck.

[@amandap9332]

We can only realize that world when we end money altogether, not before. And implementing UBI is an universally bad idea. That would only lead to ever more consumption. And the continued creation of substandard products that need to be continually replaced. As long as we continue to keep using the monetary system this over production will continue to plague our planet with increasing levels of pollution. Without need of money we reduce the need for ALL labor, of any kind. When automation is fully realized in a moneyless system it will only take about 3% of our population to provide for all of humanity. Which is low enough that force would no longer be necessary and work would become completely voluntary. And it would only take us about a decade to switch to automation with no new technology being invented. Imagine what humans could do given the time and freedom to follow their own passions without the requirement of profit being involved.

[@user-iz7kc4ql7g]

"We are living in a Đystopia without a cyberpunk aesthetic" words I will never forget

[@garr_inc]

The fact I am painfully aware, despite being on the more lucky part of it with possibility of a decent work.

[@fuglong]

Join the solar punk movement, it's badass

[@art4freak795]

Been that way since the American industrial revolution

[@nukiradio]

Just because everything is glowing, doesn't mean you arent in a dark age.

[@watchonjar]

And under socialism it would be a fucking apocalypse 🤣🤣. People this shit doesn't work and will never work. Even if in second thoughts perfect scenario u can see the huge flaws in socialism. Think about it, if you can choose to do what every job you want without any real pressure to make money, how many people do you think are going to do anything useful? FFS gen-z most wanted profession is online content creator, how many of those kids you think would do anything else if they didn't have to. Even with heavy automation boring jobs still need to be done, and no one is doing them without $ incentives.

[@oneexclamationmark]

I am used to hearing the very word "socialism" being used like a borderline swear word. I've grown in a society of people who are proud to be constantly fatigued and earning very little. It's shameful to work less, it's shameful to earn more. Only now I'm starting to realize how twisted this all is.

[@coolioso808]

We are living in a completely environmentally and socially unsustainable system (i.e. market capitalism) and we haven't done anything significant to change the system. The system itself is cruel because it is based on labor-for-income. All we did was update abject slavery to a bit more of a free-roam slavery with still the condition of absolute poverty if we don't agree to the terms of capitalist society. It's pretty disgusting when you think about it. The alternative is we get the word out, we find common ground, we build movements to fight peacefully for something like a UBI that would remove the labor-for-income stressor and allow us to look even deeper at the system and start to transition away from that poison. When we look at the predictions for the future of technology and automation we want to see that we are headed towards a more Star Trek-like future where the basic needs of people are all met with high technology and no forced labor and we can actually have time to explore, share and create. We'll need a strong movement sooner rather than later and people who look to videos like this are on the right track.

[@ashleyrogers1930]

Yes! Work more and make less is the motto.

[@certaindeath7776]

there are way more colours in spectrum of socialism then the wannabe-socialism of the autocratic CCPR. Most European States are Socialist States in Fact. We had strong times of social democrat movements, which implemented a lot of regulation to ensure basic needs. its not perfect, and there are always forces that want to demolish the social system. but its a start.

[@Infiny92]

Are can assure you that as someone living in Europe, Americans speaking about "socialism" like it’s a satanic thing makes me laugh out loud.

[@ringotheflamingo6900]

@@certaindeath7776 social democracy is qualitatively different from socialism and does nothing to solve the underlying class antagonisms that make automation problematic

[@hithere5553]

When a system is so fundamentally broken that people having to do less work for the same amount of production is an apocalyptic scenario.

[@AnchoviePossum]

it was engineered by some humans to do that

[@catalindeluxus8545]

That's like saying "it isn't cancer, it's leukemia, brain tumor, breast cancer, etc." corporatism and cronyism are products of the same thing : capitalism

[@hithere5553]

@@capsintheroy7224 this is the inevitable result of capitalism’s inherent consolidation of power.

[@notaword1136]

@UCiGwNjIXEwsNtGB4I_dkQ1w the only reason they have to take a roundabout route is because the government has a monopoly on violence and authority, in a pure capitalist system, that bigger company will just actually destroy their competition. Pure capitalism always ends in monopoly, and once a monopoly is achieved it basically becomes a totalitarian government.

[@nukiradio]

@@notaword1136 or atleast an oligarchy

[@IronKnight2402]

"Its either Star Trek or Mad Max" -someone on the Internet

[@SatanasExMachina]

@Han Boetes that seems to be the way things are trending.

[@ryno4ever433]

@Han Boetes I'm sure it will trend more toward mad max

[@jonathonpolk3592]

It's sad that most Mericans seem to prefer a world where two men enter a room but only one man leaves.

[@vanessamaldonado5877]

@Han Boetes How do you know Mad Max is not exactly like this video predicts for capitalism and the poor in the future? The wealthy might not have been on screen and all we saw were the dirt poor people trying to survive to the point that they even get transfusions from other human beings.

[@vanessamaldonado5877]

@@jonathonpolk3592 Well, thats called hyper individualism, thats why such school of thought of "competitivity" is so dangerous, instead of helping each other like a species we fight each other to see who ends at the top, no matter the cost, either to human lives or the planet itself.

[@1Dimee]

Very happy to have collaborated with you on this! You are doing excellent work on shedding light on these important issues

[@SecondThought]

Thanks for the collab! I love how your video turned out. Keep it up!

[@TheDarkness1]

Great message and really how it should be.

[@forthesnowflakes7691]

Thank you both!

[@royaldoggo497]

yas

[@sondorp]

@@SecondThought great video thanks.. If you are ever thinking of making a follow up on this one, you may want to include what i will call 'the common heritage "argument for a UBI. What i mean by that , is that none of the technologies and other things we use are truly 'worked for' by any of us. They are the result of 1000s of years of human inventions, learning and many many working hours of our parents, grand parents, grand grand and so on.So no one can claim these inventions as solely their own effort or even deny anyone their basic needs when it comes to being able to living in a highly technologically advanced society. The second point you may want to include is what i will call 'the intrinsic human value argument for a UBI'. Capitalism and socialism have BOTH stressed enormously on seeing people as mere workers, in fact until today politicians talk about people as 'workers' (also Bernie) as if 'workers' are all people are, as if their work is their only value! A UBI would actually assign value to people as people, something that should have happened a long time ago and would have saved us a whole lot of trouble. My 2 cents, good luck n your channel!

[@kaedesakura9274]

Its insane how less work - a thing unions have fought for and people dream of even if its just the nearest weekend, vacation or counting the years until retirement - is becoming a threat

[@coolioso808]

All those regular human health and standard benefits like a 4-day work week, vacation and personal choice retirement are threatened as long as we stay rooted in the capitalist system. The end of the road to the capitalist driven system is a steep cliff towards total destruction. I don't want to enable that. The negative effects of this system are already being seen and we will have to deal with them even in transition towards a better system. But I want people to focus on what they can do to promote and build a better system. Contributionism is better than capitalism no matter which way you slice it. Look at what is happening with the One Small Town initiative and Michael Tellinger. Real, community-level positive change for prosperity and abundance where automation is our FRIEND, not enemy. Where working 4-days a week could be considered over working because we can do more with less. This is the idea of the future -the contributionist One Small Town strategy. This can be scaled or segmented to communities from 5,000 to 100,000. People want a way out, and this could very well be it.

[@DeputyCartman100]

I used to think the movie Elysium was too heavy handed, too blunt, about the world being despoiled and ruined and the rich absconding with the majority of the wealth to a space station, where they live in idle luxury with borderline magical medical technology, and the teeming masses fight for scraps on Earth. Now I think it's too on the nose.

[@coolioso808]

Scary true! The number of days now where I look at Elysium as a future we are headed towards rather than just a sci-fi mythical story is ever increasing. We need system change, and soon. Movement for a Natural Law Resource Based Economy because we don't want Elysium to become reality.

[@SR-fx5sm]

Its inevitable.

[@shadowmystery5613]

Better don't watch "In Time" with Justin Timberlake then, imagine Jeff Bezos with Billions of years on his clock while a wage cuck has only days XD

[@TheDarthbinky]

I mean, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are making it pretty clear that the plot of the Matt Damon movie "Elysium" is the end goal we're dealing with. Us plebs get to live on the charred husk of the earth and the wealthy will live in luxury in space.

[@overlordborn6131]

Musk is planning to build base on Mars. A good way to avoid tax if you are living in space and everything willl be controlled by Musk company and they will run their business on earth without any problem. Even government will not be able to control them at all.

[@neilmuir3503]

@@overlordborn6131 yeah pretty much litterally elysium lol

[@overlordborn6131]

@@neilmuir3503 The only way to stop them is to nationalize their company, otherwise he is planning to reach Mars within this decade and maybe he will build up base by 2050. This guy has everything even internet by starlink satellite , it's all planned to build Elysium on Mars.

[@neilmuir3503]

@@overlordborn6131 yeah. pharohs of the 21st century.

[@selalewow]

@@overlordborn6131 I am really surprised no one has linked Musk's satellite system and the plot of the first Kingsmen movie.

[@severdislike4222]

"The greater the rate of automation, the lower capacity for human workers." There is no better example of this than the agricultural field, from employing 90% of humanity less than two centuries ago to employing >1% today. This trend feeds into all fields, automotive, pharmacological, retail.

[@nates9105]

And it isn't bad! They don't have to break their backs for that work. Instead of fighting automation, embrace it and use the gains to lift those replaced upwards!

[@severdislike4222]

@@nates9105 automation itself is great if it's used to help everyone reduce their work loads. It's a big ol problem when it's being used to drastically increase the rate of wealth / resource extraction from communities.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

@@nates9105 It'd be good if it was used for lowering the time each peson spends on working, instead of how many people can work, as so far work is still something you have to do to survive.

[@theflaggeddragon9472]

@@nates9105 The other replies are missing the fundamental point. Automation is good ONLY IF the worker own the means of production. Otherwise, it's a dystopian hellscape

[@nates9105]

@@theflaggeddragon9472 Yep! But that brings the question - how do we own the production? Is it all employees own a piece of the company? How would that look from a cleaner, to a repairer, to the laborer on/throughout the line, to the engineers, to the administrative office workers, to the group that initially put together the initiative and capital for the business? Or should something like charging a fair tax to the privatized owners/giant unfair businesses by using the representative democracy government we have, which should be owned by the people but evidently giant giant businesses end up having huger influence?

[@hierkonnteihrewerbungstehe5587]

To quote the German book qualityland: "The problem isn't the machines. It's that they are owned by you and not by everybody."

[@g.f.martianshipyards9328]

It's a really great book.

[@thezyreick4289]

society cannot function if automation is controlled by society. or in other words if it is socialist. Automation causes socialist economies to implode because automation itself destroys the fundamental economic theorems that socialism requires to function. Karl Marx is the one who proved this himself, the creator of socialism.

[@g.f.martianshipyards9328]

@@thezyreick4289 Citation needed.

[@thezyreick4289]

@@g.f.martianshipyards9328 In that video I just linked is a citation as well.

[@thezyreick4289]

@@g.f.martianshipyards9328 odd, the comment is not showing. here is another. The explanation and citation start approx. 1hr into the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z4mqmod6jMuXpq8

[@fuglong]

Automation: makes work easier Workers: Boss, are you going to take this opportunity to continue growing at a steady rate while giving us more time off and extra pay?? Boss: HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@WILLINGLYWILD]

Automation: makes labour workers unnecessary Labour Workers: Government, are you gonna take this opportunity to abolish busy work altogether and establish a universal credit system making any and all work optional seeing as manufacturing and production will require no capital investment anymore due to full automation and clean energy Government: what, you want to live for free? (even though life, food, and all the materials of Earth were found for free) Business corporations: Nah yall good gonna have to invest in us to earn a living Labour Workers: but how do we earn money to invest and become capital owners now our jobs have been taken over at no expense to you Government: hmmm

[@jameswestley5643]

@@WILLINGLYWILD this is it. Can I quote this?

[@quangle-zi2oz]

🤣

[@patrickmalloy2798]

Boss: "Oh you'll get time off...all the time off."

[@soulsearcher7077]

@@patrickmalloy2798 LMAO

[@mls_33]

I get so enraged and embarrassed to see how limited the imagination of my AI peers can be at times. Automation and AI have the ability to play a key role in maintaining production in a future post capitalist world, but somehow all we get are robo dogs with guns and new drones :(

[@themightycat7238]

Who produces the drones? the elite Who orders the drone strikes? the elite So its logical that the elite would want better drones instead of things the people could use.

[@IronKnight2402]

So we are more likely to get the robodog from Battlefield 2042 instead of Baymax from Big Hero 6

[@mls_33]

@@themightycat7238 oh forsure! They're the ones controlling the direction of the field currently, and I don't see that changing without an upheaval of capitalism. I'll keep trying to find a way to fight it but am vastly outnumbered in tech and just getting into the field

[@mls_33]

@@IronKnight2402 man I love Baymax. Would definitely be down for that. Gotta maintain our revolutionary optimism! I refuse to just give up even when things look pretty bleak ✊

[@nukiradio]

How about automatons that do all the farming labor so we can have socialized free food!??

[@paradisearcher9334]

Automation can be our best friend or our worst enemy, unfortunately with the current system we have, it's going to be the ladder 9 times out of 10

[@garr_inc]

And 1 out of 10 times it will still be a stepladder. Jokes aside, this can be applied to pretty much any advances under current system.

[@gavinisdie]

Yeah we're fucked. If we try to change the system the government will scream Commies and fucking turn us into red mist

[@joeb3505]

Hate to be that guy, but it's latter not ladder

[@mymango4970]

@@garr_inc Stepladder what are you doing? Help me I'm stuck in this washing machine.

[@mistorWhiskers]

That's charitable, I can't think of the one time it wouldn't.

[@IamZeus1100]

Automation could be an amazing thing if it goes more towards the latter . It would give us people time to focus on what really matters and be creative . Automation has the potential for both a utopian and a dystopian future

[@jessicapatton2688]

I think it’s more of how we should live. We don’t need to be on our deathbed to reflect on our life. There is supposed to be much more to life than just working yourself to the bone.

[@ayanari3531]

Fascism wants to replace creativity with bots and make you work on what they want; post-scarce Communism wants to replace what society needs but is hard to do with automation, while you can pursue your creativity/hobbies.

[@CodyChap]

Im beginning to think that perhaps this channel doesnt 100% support capitalism, not sure on this though

[@SecondThought]

Big if true

[@user-iz7kc4ql7g]

Most of us here in this channel are tired....the system we use is unfair...inhumane, and dosen't care about us....its cruel and unfair

[@nairsheasterling9457]

Nahhhhh, he's just playing devil's advocate... right? I mean, look at First Thought, his other channel. Big pro-capitalism vibes!

[@skeletontoes7692]

@@nairsheasterling9457 me first and only, one could say

[@yengsabio5315]

@@nairsheasterling9457 Is there a First Thought channel? Can't find it on the search.

[@WTFDSDT]

"[Automation under capitalism] punishes you for simply existing in a society with scientific progress." A very succinct description of something that surely stares anyone with awareness and humanity in the face. We can surely do better, it's madness that anyone would think we couldn't.

[@unknowunknown9096]

We need fully automated luxury space communism

[@selalewow]

What I don't understand is what the end game of these abusive companies is. If you do not pay your workers or drive 90% of the population into poverty, who is going to buy your product? Even if people go into massive debt to keep buying it is a completely unsustainable system. How can they not see this?

[@i.p.7687]

@@selalewow they'll start buying and selling with each other.

[@happypt2929]

i mean automation will create a bunch of new maintenance and developing jobs, perhaps a world where the lowest in intellect are forced to join the army and poverty migrants stop being a thing is a better guess for our future. A bit dystopian but we will all be better off, and the future always looks dystopian to the past anyways so...

[@ShysTheLimit]

Reminds me of Detroit: Become Human. The entire time I saw the story, I was thinking that the Robots were never the problem.

[@Locedamius]

One aspect I wish you had mentioned: The owning class is dependant on the working class not only for their labour but also for their consumption of products. If you produce any kind of product and there are not enough people who can afford it, you will go bankrupt. In the capitalist scenario, a UBI is an absolute necessity because otherwise, even the 1% will not stay rich as more and more people lose their jobs and thus their income and their ability to buy anything. The only workaround would be to sell your products in other countries, at which point you might as well move your whole company there.

[@jasons5916]

The owning class also buys things, so over time, production of goods and services is shifted toward luxury products and things rich people need. The working class won't be able to afford them, but they have no jobs and no money anyway, so they wouldn't even be able to buy the cheapest products.

[@Locedamius]

@@jasons5916 You are right Those cheapest products will still have to be manufactured, though, because even the richest 1% will need to eat, dress and take a shower from time to time. How will you produce them economically if the vast majority of your customers have effectively left the economy? At best, we are heading towards a world with two completely separate societies where a handful of rich people buy essentials for exorbitant prices from other rich people while the vast majority of people are left to themselves to create a new type of economic system from scratch. That doesn't sound good for either side.

[@wj3186]

I'm so confused by your statement but it is one I keep seeing made repeatedly in error so I felt the need to address it. Why would someone with a surplus of resources and an artificial workforce NEED other people consuming the resources they've acquired? This stuff you wrote just seems like a bunch of academic bs made up by economists to make them seem more relevant than they are. Capitalism ia a religon, you see, and economists are among its preachers. You have been taught memes to share and myths to live out in order to enable the class structure someone has envisioned to their benefit, plain and simple.

[@jamespuso1627]

Not necessarily so. The 1% in America account for over 3 million people. That alone is a big buyer base. Plus there's the half that still have jobs. There's also the fact the venture capitalism/hedge funds have made people spending money on your product a smaller and smaller part of the equation. Amazon got where it was because it had an army of investors pumping money into it so it could operate at losses until it competed enough businesses out and captured the market share it has. A lot of other companies like Uber are doing this now, if investors stopped pumping the money in and cashed in their chips stock wise they'd go down. Perhaps they could keep making money by selling stock, something at this point that's largely imaginary and has a value that's basically arbitrary to the buyer and seller

[@codenamegrs9278]

The working class will be dependant on the working class just until AI and Automation is fully implemented. After that .. they'll be independent .. ez pz

[@879PC]

I talked to a coworker of mine who fills one of the least skilled positions at my job about automation and how eventually they could replace a bunch of our jobs with computer programs (white collar work) and they looked horrified. They said "well yea but the boss would have to buy a big million dollar robot to pull the files, and how would a program start without a person to press the buttons" I just agreed because I didn't have the heart to tell her that the only thing that makes us still have paper files is government audits and the fact that the boss is really old school and doesn't use one of the computers connected to our server.

[@JoaoSantos-ur1gg]

Only in capitalism something as wonderful as automation could end up making people's lives worse.

[@kenbowser2943]

Ever been to a socialist country?

[@JoaoSantos-ur1gg]

It's a bit hard to go to a country that doesn't exist. I live in a capitalist country and I know what I'm talking about.

[@kenbowser2943]

@@JoaoSantos-ur1gg I been to one. Poverty looks different there. Only overweight people are politicians and their friends.

[@JoaoSantos-ur1gg]

No, you didn't. There are no socialist countries, so it's impossible that you visited one. And it's weird to criticize that imaginary socialist country of yours as "people aren't overweight".

[@kenbowser2943]

@@JoaoSantos-ur1gg Venezuela is a socialist country. Just because you may have a different definition doesn't make it so. The overweight reference is showing that people have enough to eat. Oh, I guess there has never been a socialist country, either.

[@quinnzacharias9919]

As a schoolboy in 12th grade, I dread to imagine what kids like me, and especially future generations, would be up against as adults with this in mind. Fighting for survival would be just as common in society as it is in the wild, just under a different lens. And to the benefit of such a small few. Ugh. When will they learn...?

[@KingMickeyMouseOoO]

@MLG Joe Our empire is over! The rest of the world is now fully aware of what we did! Even we ourselves are finally waking up to all of this! Hopefully, it's not too late!

[@Streghamay]

Trades. They cannot automate a trade such as plumbing, electrical, etc.

[@jgdooley2003]

@@Streghamay They make it in such a way that any person can do it with moderate levels of skill and training. In the olden days plumbing involved the use of metals and soldering and welding in even domestic pipework. Now most domestic work is plastic and easy fitting parts and a lot of the old techniques are gone. Similar trends can be seen in low voltage domestic electrics. The real money is in design, specification and inspection but this is rarely done by anyone but degree qualified people. I was listening to the radio about a year ago to a labour expert from MIT who predicted that kitchen installers were the most future proof job going, at least for 20 years. Grim when even the experts cannot see out beyond 20 years into the future. He reckoned you would need skills in plumbing, electrical and carpentry, gone being the days when one man would handle each trade.

[@atlas_19]

Same here.

[@rhodeskirkpatrick1408]

@@KingMickeyMouseOoO Empire didn't help most people to begin with. Expansion is a glitzy way to fill people with nationalistic emotions while the top gets richer.

[@imperfect_dan7519]

So either we have a future where more people become victims of poverty or homelessness...or people of the working class have a far safer future

[@crazybusdriver1]

The first scenario is already happening, the second one is highly unlikely unless we change the current leadership in congress, We need more progressives so we can have the nicer scenario.

[@imperfect_dan7519]

@@crazybusdriver1 100 percent

[@kenbowser2943]

I think its the 1st scenario. Unless people stick together and that's not in the cards today.

[@ernestokrapf]

@@imperfect_dan7519 you both need to get reformism out of your minds, it hasn't lead us anywhere

[@imperfect_dan7519]

​@@ernestokrapf Please shut up your sounding cringe

[@xenophon1999]

Bertrand Russell's essay In Praise Of Idleness discusses this, how essentially with shorter working lives due to automation the working class can start to engage in the creation of culture, art, literature, philosophy, Things that have been for a long time the preserve of wealthy individuals would be available for the working class to engage in.

[@xenophon1999]

@@balleraap007 I agree, competition can be a great motivator for spurring people on to greatness, what I stated doesn't preclude that.

[@andriypredmyrskyy7791]

It does a great disservice to humanity to presume our value is derived solely from our work. What of happiness?

[@Cpt.Rogal_Dorn]

Happiness is earned through hard work and time you put into the thing that gives you happines. Happiness should never be the end goal instead it is just the byproduct of your striving to be better and to become better. If everything is given to you and you don't have to work for anything you most likely wouldn't be happy you would be depressed and without purpouse.

[@ThePunter209]

Happiness is just a release of neurotransmitters. Just snort coke.

[@hithere5553]

@@ThePunter209 as some philosopher put it; there are two kinds of pleasures, the lower pleasures, sex, drugs, food, and higher pleasures, art, theater, accomplishment.

[@gavinisdie]

We are basically just Organic Less Powerful Machines to the Upper Class

[@guy-sl3kr]

Can't tell if you're supporting or opposing capitalism here but the point is that, under our current system, workers are only valued in terms of how replaceable they are to their bosses. Automation should be used to free people from menial work, not trap an entire society in poverty.

[@marco12377]

And yet people fight to the death to protect the very thing that will happily toss them aside like garbage, that thing is capitalism.

[@mrcheckhammmer]

The video is incomplete. What about capitalism's incredible wildcard that allows new jobs to be made and the job market to adapt all the time? You don't think automation will cause new jobs to be made? What living standards are we talking with socialism? Why make the average human work less when new jobs are being created, won't that stagnate humanity? These are simple questions you can ask. Firstly, people in politics will not allow true socialism as that is not in the interest of corporations who support governments. Secondly, capitalism will just adapt better to a new industrialised or automatized economy.

[@marco12377]

@@mrcheckhammmer Automation is taking away more jobs then it creates. The Human population is growing and the jobs available is shrinking. The people at the top even admit that universal basic income will most likely be necessary to keep capitalism alive, Elon Musk talks about this all the time. Here is a video that might change your mind, if not that's completely fair and fine. I am not an expert when talking about capitalism or socialism, its a complex issue that deserves discussion for sure. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIjaeamEedd6jJI

[@mrcheckhammmer]

@@marco12377 Yes, UBI is a plausible idea. However socialism is not.

[@marco12377]

@@mrcheckhammmer Did you watch the video? I disagree with socialism not being plausible, I also don't think America needs to be completely one way or the other. Increasing socialism, while maintaining capitalism is something I would like to see. Keep in mind, we already have many socialized systems in America like Police, Firefighters, Paved roads, Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment etc... Taxes are a system of socialism, and I am sure you wouldn't be for getting rid of taxes completely, right?

[@cezarcatalin1406]

@@marco12377 Yea, no, not really, that’s not socialism, it’s a social “democratic” system. A social “democratic” system that is one Ronald Reagan away from collapse.

[@williameaton6330]

Without people to buy what is produced, where would the "owners" get their income. It does no good to produce millions of something cheaply when there's no one to buy them.

[@uplayxer6421]

The current "consumer economy" would stop and transition into "Automised Feudalism". With the rich living the super lifestyle while having Robotic peasents.

[@jasons5916]

They wouldn't really need income. Their robots can make anything they want. At most, they will sell their goods to other rich people. The interesting question is what do competitive psychopaths do after there are no poor people?

[@filipwolffs]

@@jasons5916 I doubt it'd end well for them, but that wouldn't really matter since the rest of us would already be gone.

[@speedy01247]

@@Sparticulous I've never liked that about humanity, not that most people would be for it, but that there are some people who could find happiness in things that don't involve others being harmed, but they choose to harm others instead.

[@jimpickins7900]

Well in this case even the lowest class the majority will be a millionaire by todays standards, especially with UBI which will probably be needed to stop social unrest. like how even a person on benefits has a better livelihood than the richest people 200 years ago. Also socialist economies have the same problem.

[@maxbaugh9372]

In the year since this video was posted, several AI breakthroughs (DALL-E2, Stable Diffusion, etc.) have presented the very real possibility of artistry being automated & effectively eliminated as a profession. ChatGPT ought to bulldoze millions of boring, boilerplate tasks, it doesn't need to be able to get an A in a grad school philosophy course it just needs to be better than what the typical person would be able to write in a comparable time. Fascinating times we are living in.

[@wussrestbrook1200]

Thankful to be born in a generation where I might live in cyberpunk or star trek scary but exciting times

[@verigumetin4291]

@@wussrestbrook1200 true. At least the times are exciting.

[@argento8447]

That's the only negative outcome of automation, when art will stop being a human endeavour it will be the day I'd kill myself, since I would have lost the only thing giving meaning to my and many other people's life. I fear the day a machine will be able in a fraction of a second to arrange pixels to make a painting on a screen or produce a song, write a novel and so on, that day humanity will suffer the gratest loss so far, because if machines are capable of creating billions and billions of paintings, songs movies every day, art will loose value, because art's value resides in its scarcity.

[@verigumetin4291]

@@argento8447 how childish.

[@ayanari3531]

Fascism wants to replace creativity with bots and make you work on what they want; post-scarce Communism wants to replace what society needs but is hard to do with automation, while you can pursue your creativity/hobbies. UBI doesn't work under capitalism as the tax-payer pays for itself; under communism the economic value comes from factories not to them. Replacing the arts with automation in order to pursue fascist visions isn't good, it's the opposite of what's good. We should replace industrial jobs and enjoy creating art. Humans would be very bored if their hobbies are done "for them" with barely any control over the tiniest aspects of their work while their work is not. Also, AI models steal from artists without compensating them, which is the opposite of the communist ideology on art as labour rights are the emphasis not consumerism.

[@gregs1646]

As he said, "solutions" like universal basic income and healthcare will forever be in danger of rollbacks and undermining. Get every inch you can, but know that it will be in danger so long as the state ultimately works for the preservation of the owner class

[@Dustin_Bins]

@@Wiimeiser Haven't watched it yet, but from what I've seen or heard people talking about it, makes your words pretty spot on.

[@esleynopemos3470]

True, but ubi could also be useful in bit-by-bit leveraging us back onto course. If people en masse had the greater stability afforded to them by a simple no-strings monthly payment (which, I suppose I'm naive to assume it could ever be implemented no-strings), then it would be easier for them to start voting in their own interest. Imagine how it could shape politics if more than just the top 1% could afford to contribute to political campaigns.

[@lFAOT]

I think one of the biggest issues as far captialism , their is this abundant need to enrich ones self by promotion or on the back of the worker by any means necessary for numbers . So much so that what happens is the worker gets trampled into the mud , their salary is stripped or doesn't move enough to make a real difference. While the people at the top who have done none of the hardwork , get the money and rich lifestyle off of someone else's backbreaking work. It is sickening that this has been allowed to continue for so many years and their hasn't been any real uprising about it.

[@jebes909090]

@@lFAOT thats every form my man. not just capitalism. theres only two ways we get a 'fair' society. benevolent ruler/computer overlord. thats it. people are selfish and greedy so you can never trust them to 'make the world a better place'. they will always try to get an edge up on each other. it doesnt matter the form of government, there will always be people who backstab, cheat, steal thier way to the top unless there is an all powerful overseer to control them. So the choice is freedom but basically every man for himself, or control but everyone is taken care of.

[@ianbelanger7459]

While the tension between workers and owners is a builtin issue with capitalism, there is an equally troubling and ignored enforcement issue under socialism, which is the reason stable non-hunter gatherer socialist governments use regulated capital markets to achieve socialist goals. Looking at the question a different way, the question becomes what system is functional when 10 to 15 percent of the population can produce and distribute all the goods for the whole world. The predictions for capitalism assumes a system with few workers and no profit motivation will oppress the whole population out of spite. The socialist prognostication have the same enforcement issues as before, but now are robbed of the self organizing markets. Because automation can remove pressures like work and physical need that have driven societies for centuries, the end state of society will probably not be based on systems made to deal with work and need like capitalism or socialism.

[@davidtitanium22]

when you mention reducing working hours under automation it feels like everything just clicked into place. Why didn't I think of that. Less work doesn't have to mean less employment, the employed can just work less and that's okay when we're not chasing after ever increasing profits

[@coolioso808]

Right. like put it this way: Let's say we got a UBI implemented and it was $2, 000 a month. Now, if somebody worked a full-time job that they actually liked, let's say a nurse in a hospital. It is more possible now that the nurse can decide to work half-time because of monthly UBI and now they have more time for themselves and their family. And when they do go to work they have more energy and care to give to everybody. If you can maintain the same standard of living (or get to up to a basic standard of living) with a UBI plus work that you enjoy, and share it with as many people as needed to make it run smoothly, everybody benefits (that is, assuming the work is sustainable, healthy work that benefit people and the planet). We should all expect to work less but maintain a quality of life. We shouldn't be ashamed of wanting that. The super rich lifestyle, however, we should rightfully shame. It's gross and unsustainable. Billionaires aren't symbols of success they are symbols of violence. We need a value shift in society that recognizes that.

[@prometheusjackson8787]

Funny how the markets never actually bring down the prices of necessities

[@schlechtj1]

Here's a huge problem with that. Most humans are greedy. So that if we only work 10 hours a week, there will be people who will then want to work 4 jobs In order to get more stuff. We are way richer on average than we were in the 1950s which we regard as a Golden age. If you have the house and the car that the average person had in the '50s you would be very unhappy today. Yes, we had one bread winner and then the wife stayed home and took care of the family etc etc etc but, we only had one car we had a small house we didn't have any electronics to speak of etc etc etc. So then under socialism what does the government do? Will it limit you to that small house? Will it limit you to that one car? Because what's really fair? So those people then willing to work more in order to get more will be unequal to their neighbors. In a communist country you can't have that type of inequality because that's the only thing your really selling, equal outcomes. So those are the people that you send to jail. That's exactly when the Communist country loses its soul, when it's people have lost their desire for hard work because they will get either punished for it or it gains them nothing. I love the part about fixing potholes as your past time, he let leak some of the things that actually go on and come in this countries like not paying any attention to infrastructure.

[@coolioso808]

@@balleraap007 please seek help, fear of the unknown seems to be clouding your judgment. If you are ready and able to be helped there are people or literature sources that can help you. Try looking into Dr. Martin Luther King's work with The Poor People's Campaign and some of his powerful speeches.

[@coolioso808]

@@balleraap007 Fear is a natural emotion but if it overtakes your other emotions and you do not manage it, it can be detrimental. Seek help when you are ready to be helped. You can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink.

[@cd6422]

I am a delivery driver for Amazon. They are now installing AI cameras in their delivery trucks to supervise us. We feel like Amazon is using this to teach an AI how to do our job. It's a matter of time before we're all out of a job 😞

[@magneto228]

im sorry =[

[@certaindeath7776]

some of the leading software developers have the opinion that we wont see self driving cars in near or mid future. its way too complex. i guess ur job is safe, and they just want to get rid of packet loss and stuff like that. whats way easier to replace is the jobs of millions of low to mid level buerocrats. many of those deliver a bad job, an AI could do that a lot of their tasks much better, without the level of arbitraryness and incompetence you find in many services.

[@georgesousa704]

Fortunately for you, an A.I. engineer don't use the data from a driver to create a self driving car, he uses the data from the road for that.

[@tek1645]

@@MrSQTB_TV just make a business bro 🙄

[@MrSQTB_TV]

@@notpublic8961 DUDE I'm not surprised they deleted the comment that's legit what typical socialist/commies always do. they believe in censorship, they believe the poor are to stupid to make their own choices and they don't care about the truth or actually helping people. for anyone that might read this go read up what Lennon style communism is. this channel along with other socialist channels are here only to brainwash you to thinking that you cannot help yourself and that you need the government to step in and help you. therefore giving up your freedoms for security.

[@Viperzka]

It's important to realize that automation doesn't just mean a robot/computer replacing a worker. Much of modern automation is about making existing workers far more efficient. This means that the business can earn more money, and drive out competitors, without having to hire more people. So the jobs are eliminated not because they are being done by computers, but because you just need less people to get the same amount of work done. The biggest reason this matters is because it means that automation can go even farther and even deeper into the society than is clear at first.

[@pontoancora]

Yes, and that is awesome.

[@trollconfiavel]

Productivity = production over time Instead of decreasing the amount of time each person has to work under a higher degree of productivity, capitalism uses productivity to create unemployment and keep the wage and work hours of the workers the same while increasing the profit. The biggest problem is that the profit is bigger but the value created through production is the same, which means the workers become poorer and the owners become richer.

[@SymbiSpidey]

Under capitalism, "efficiency" means cut hours resulting in a loss of wages and potentially losing your job entirely. Under socialism, it means more free time to do other things.

[@michalpesek109]

So you will do more hard and dangerous work because he is no machine to do it, you will not have more time, you will have hard time.

[@bowkenpachi7759]

If we focus on upgrading our infrastructure in a socialist manner, automating agriculture and housing, we would no longer work for survival, we would work towards our passions. The capitalist society we have drives innovation, and with more automation, you would be able to have a small team of likeminded people bring ideas into fruition quicker, which will actually mean that self employment will become more viable, and company sizes would reduce, minimising monopolies. You need both to some extent, but we’re too focused on surviving to see it.

[@milesdunstan-daams9162]

@@bowkenpachi7759 they drive different types of innovation capitalism supports small scale inovation but socialism supports large scale innovation it's no coincidence that most proxy wars to do with inovation the USSR won

[@milesdunstan-daams9162]

@Lewis Wood there is just as many people needed in factories in capitalism as socialism

[@mirakolis3151]

In theory yes, in practice defintely no

[@koopanique]

In simple words: less than 100% employment is not something to fear, if your system allows people to live decently even without being employed

[@shrekeyes2410]

We still need people working of course, and they will gain more, honestly this doesnt sound like capitalism's fault. We need to pay welfare somehow, things arent free. I think capitalism is amazing at distributing resources, but envy makes capitalism seem like a bad thing.

[@Catthepunk]

@@shrekeyes2410 I think the problem is that capitalists don't have to give you a decent wage even when profits increase due to automation. In fact, they can use it against the worker because its cheaper to run.

[@tillburr6799]

@@shrekeyes2410 no

[@shrekeyes2410]

@@Catthepunk There is a reason minimum wage exists, I dont believe capitalism can run itself.

[@Catthepunk]

@@shrekeyes2410 the minimum wage is an example of the problem. Not sustainable without other measures to make sure it is actually livable.

[@0leander410]

Read Marx’s Capital: like a third of the book is Marx quoting Adam Smith and voicing the same concerns. Even the “father” of capitalism knew it had to be heavily regulated to not spin out of control.

[@misterx6346]

And even Smith believed that there should be social safety nets.

[@bloodwargaming3662]

@@misterx6346 no he just wanted everything to let gone

[@allstarmark12345]

So true! It amazes me how mainstream media bashes Marxism as an evil to the world as opposed to logical system

[@klauskinski5969]

@@bloodwargaming3662 wrong. seems you should actually read his books. adam smith was very much spot on. the only problem smith had was thinking morality will turn capitalists around. well he was a moralphilosoph....so no wonder. adam smith is prob. the most misquoted guy on the planet. his invisible hand is the best example. he never meaned that capitalism will work wonderfully. he meaned that capitalism with humanity and morals as determining factor will provide like a invisible hand.

[@duckduckgoose4111]

​@@allstarmark12345 Because you guys are evil.

[@solarflare623]

I honestly can’t believe I used to defend capitalism. We need to show people that socialism is not the evil dictatorship that everyone thinks it is.

[@slap_my_hand]

Automation under Capitalism: less money for everyone but the 1% Automation under Socialism: more free time for everyone

[@crazybusdriver1]

We are currently under the first scenario, we would need to change the current leadership in congress to make the second nicer scenario happen.

[@thetruth65756]

socialism doesn't work

[@SoundMind.]

@@thetruth65756 it actually does work

[@theslamminsalmon8331]

@@thetruth65756 you're thinking of communism/regular socialism, nowadays when people say socialism they mean democratic socialism wich is used in Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Spain, Finland. Democratic socialism is way better than capitalism

[@thetruth65756]

@@SoundMind. yes, all the past governments aiming to get to socialism have been very successful lmaoo

[@athumbi]

It seems to me the hardest thing to get people to understand is that we need each other. Pretty much every argument I've heard against socialism in its better forms is an argument in favor of individualism and exclusivity. It's so difficult to get through their noggins that the things we enjoy come from hundreds or thousands of people working together. Unfortunately we've been thoroughly brainwashed into thinking that the only people who deserve a good life are the ones who happen to have more money.

[@darthbrandon2149]

From what I can see, we have at least 74,000,000 Americans who cannot stand the thought of anyone else having a good life. These people are certain that equality somehow means they lose something, or that they are forced to "carry lazy people" on their backs. I sincerely do not understand the hatred those people carry in their hearts. I cannot comprehend having no ability to realize that we are all in this thing called "life" together. I cannot comprehend having no ability to feel empathy for other human beings. But that is what it all boils down to when we want to have a reality-based discussion about Democratic Socialism. Those who cannot stand others having a good life will resist to the point of becoming violent. In fact, those people have invented an entire alternative reality online to help themselves cope with the inescapable changes we are going through as a society. When you say to someone who cannot stand equality, "Hey, I will help you pay for your medical bills if you help me pay for my medical bills", the response is always "YOU WANT TO TAKE FROM ME!!!". I do not know how we will overcome such a pathologically selfish mentality.

[@JoBlakeLisbon]

This is true but the coordination through all of those people takes place through pricing. It has always proved impossible to coordinate pricing effectively from any central body - it has been tried in the USSR and China - so it makes sense to outsource that element of proceedings to the market. At least that's the best solution that has ever been achieved.

[@SpyJamz]

@@darthbrandon2149 I definitely agree with your take. The issue is less about hatred, and more that they believe hard work and elbow grease is what you need to succeed. Also the mainstream news media does a good job of portraying low income or middle class citizens struggling as simply being lazy and only wants handouts. What causes pushback is that certain Americans believe that if your plan isn't 100% foolproof, then it's a bad plan. If you have a plan to enhance majority of people's lives BUT it's not gonna enhance 100% of the population then it's a non-starter for some reason. In my experience, I don't see any other alternatives. Anytime an idea is proposed that could enhance the collective, it's shut down for multiple reasons. But if you ask those Americans what's the alternative, it's either crickets or some phrase revolving around "just work hard and take individual responsibility".

[@darthbrandon2149]

@@SpyJamz Oh great. I take the time to craft a good response, and KZbin censors my post. smdh ... 😣 "Also the mainstream news media does a good job of portraying low income or middle class citizens struggling as simply being lazy and only wants handouts. " You will not find a single Corporate "news" Media CEO, nor Board Member, nor Infotainment News Actor who is not insanely wealthy. When you see the Corporate "news" Media screwing Americans over, just understand what you are seeing is the mouth piece of the Oligarch Class. Likewise, it is in the best interests of the Oligarch Class to keep every single American pitted against each other, fighting over the Oligarch's table scraps. That is why the RWNJ "media" is so fixated on training their audience to hate anyone who they perceive to be "the others", and it is precisely why the Unites States of America cannot even crack the top 10 countries that have the best quality of life. President Lyndon B. Johnson once said, "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

[@vincent_hall]

@average thumbi, "we all need each other", to paraphrase. Very nicely said! We can't do much alone and we'd be very unhealthy. Some people have tried, living in the wilderness. They die quickly and have barren lives. We work well together. And we need to talk and share emotions and problems or we get twisted up and die of depression. It's very unhealthy to be alone, even in a crowd/city.

[@alextiedt4481]

I've been thinking about automation a lot recently, as my job could be entirely replaced with ai software. I'm glad your making videos about this

[@geekspeak1066]

@The Lonely Proto yea he never talked about this point

[@ethangandy3031]

@The Lonely Proto if you are asking how people would afford things it's called UBI

[@iqbalindaryono8984]

@@ethangandy3031 or more realistically pruning off the population, the "useless" part of society, those who couldn't work. UBI implies that corporation would be willing to pay taxes when currently they pay millions in bribes so they could avoid paying taxes.

[@marcusmcnamara4666]

You're my new favourite youtuber! Thank you for helping me learn what socialism really is and where capitalism is failing us. Love from Australia 🇦🇺🤞🏽

[@shake6321]

capitalism is not "failing" us. please watch some videos on capitalism. the biggest issue with capitalism is Central Banking, Government Money, regulations, Gov taxation and Debt. capitalism is producing more wealth than ever and people around the globe are richer than ever. Capitalism just lifted 2 billion people in india and china out of poverty after they were dirt poor due to socialism.

[@lipp1992]

I agree with shake’s statement above. Don’t be fooled by these videos, they appear one sided the more I watch. A constructive and educative video would present both good and bad. I think that’s where this channel has fallen short, I see one sided videos consistently, however I haven’t watched all so that could change if I see the right videos.

[@killer41756]

​@@shake6321china is still socialist

[@plorabare]

​@@killer41756China is capitalist

[@TrusePkay]

​​@@shake6321All the problems you mentioned above are innate to capitalism which makes it eventually fail. Capitalism works as a ponzi scheme as time goes on. China and India needed socialism to get their populations to build their economies. And capitalism is now impoverishing people. Let's not deny this

[@optillian4182]

"They took our jobs!" "They took ar jawbs?" "Dey terk er jerbs." "DETRKERBUR!"

[@jimmartin2548]

DERKERDER

[@CNM3]

They broke his jaw

[@eh1600]

*turkey gobbling sounds*

[@benhuang2773]

DTKB

[@taiyipan3138]

lol this is way too funny

[@I_am_somebody_1234]

People: What would our future be? Climate: Allow me to introduce myself...

[@jadedandbitter]

So basically we have three options: Star Trek, Elysium, or The Matrix/The Terminator

[@darkleome5409]

We could end up in The Expanse

[@OP-01]

Alternative///ONESTATE

[@jamesgravil9162]

Or Futurama, with its suicide booths. "You are now dead. Thank you for using Stop 'N Drop, America's favourite suicide booth since 2008."

[@ayanari3531]

Star Trek has the idea that there is a "superiority" in goal, and abandons even depicting the majority of people left in planets or dangerously built star bases. It prescribes that everyone wants the same thing, that is fascist ideology and based on the tenets of italian futurism. Matrix may be more viable in an overpopulated world as at least your world is how you want it, perhaps, unless you have no control over it. An AI generated random world just like AI images have no intricate visual connection with the person's deeper feelings, so a virtual world you can build everything to your specific design and wants would be much more preferential. But then, world-scale power would likely drive you crazy, too.

[@whiteshadow943]

More people need to see this- we could improve so much Profit only has value because of what it motivates people to do but if we automate our needs all that’s left are for people to do what they feel meaningful and they will probably be so much more productive and ingenious as a result but best of all, people can live truly fulfilled lives- isn’t that the point of civilization?

[@aziizrocks]

Once technology catches up with policing, thats when it gets real scary. Imagine a top class not fearing the majority bottom class cause of drones protecting their wealth, while devouring all the resources and land, and scourge society.

[@sansgaming7607]

and people still want gun control.... As long as people have guns that isnt a threat. millions with guns cant be stopped, but would a buisness hated by everyone like that really earn any profit..?

[@AllfatherBlack]

@@sansgaming7607 Millions of guns can't stop million of drones. You clearly don't understand drones. Read up on Afghani civilians experiences with drones. You can't fight them. You're dead before you know they're there. That's... fundamentally the value of drones. People can't fight them. So to anyone who thinks they're gonna shoot drones down and protect themselves from the rich, you need to wake the fuck up, son, because NOPE.

[@sansgaming7607]

@@AllfatherBlack The unstoppability of the drones was an illusion, they are effective, yes, but i believe at that point Afghani anti air systems were thoroughly crushed so air superiority was attained. also, even gigantic armies struggle with insurgent forces. In wooded places, they are much less effective, and i doubt any rich person would be able to get that powerful before a revolt. What makes you think your not on the rich peoples side? Often times, the rich control the gov, putting more power in the gov wont help the problem. Private drones and Gov drones are the same, but which one is more likely to get it?

[@garethbaus5471]

@@sansgaming7607 Guns don't do much against robot tanks or military grade drones, and unlike humans robots are pretty easy to replace. Unless you can organize the support of most of the population without the wealthy knowing about it well in advance an armed population with anything short of military grade weapons isn't particularly likely to succeed in the scenario you are suggesting especially if the people with the weaponized robots aren't above systematically killing off the rest of the population. It isn't like civilians have access to a steady supply of RPG's and anti aircraft systems. In a society where the unregulated ownership of weapons with that level of capability is common semi-regular domestic terrorist attacks on the scale of 9/11 are fairly probable at least until all the high value targets are destroyed. The bad guy with a gun almost always shoots first, and if he and a few of his buddies can buy a few fully armed surplus tanks and drive them into a city without getting the attention of authorities that can be one hell of a first strike.

[@owenbelezos8369]

@@sansgaming7607 if one or even all current companies were able to get rid of their workers they would, and they don't need a UBI because they'll just buy each others stuff and leave the starving masses to rot. once the companies don't need workers they'll go from focusing on mainly one product into being self sufficiency machines designed solely to make the few people who own them's lives better in any possible while completely disregarding everyone else's needs altogether, and if the masses revolt they'll have armies of robots to murder them all. thinking about it, this is one way communism would arrive. all the poor people dead leaving just the rich to have children and then provide for those children where then everyone's needs are met by the means of production.

[@FalconsEye58094]

I remember seeing a very aggressive meme, McDonald's employees demand a $15 minimum wage, their response, automated cashiers

[@kenbowser2943]

McDonald's jobs used to be had by all young people, most still in school. If ones trying to raise a family working at McDonald's, GO TO A TRADE SCHOOL AND LEARN A TRADE.

[@JoaoSantos-ur1gg]

Looks like capitalists need to be reminded that raising wages used to be the alternative to being killed by the workers.

[@kenbowser2943]

@@JoaoSantos-ur1gg andcommunists/ socialists kill the innocent. Over 100 million in the last 100 years. How many is enough?

[@brendancoulter5761]

@@JoaoSantos-ur1gg Only the ignorant need to be reminded that Marxists are murderers.

[@primetime645]

@@kenbowser2943 You think communism and socialism is the same thing? Christ, how are you under every comment and being *this* ignorant so confidently.

[@TheNeoVid]

I've never forgotten a cartoon I saw something like thirty years ago: Two homeless guys were on a bench, having a conversation. "Remember when we were kids and looked forward to when machines would do all the work?" "Yep. And here we are!" "Yeah... so remind me why we thought we'd be getting paid for it?"

[@zxacxk]

Because you believe in capitalism I assume. I've known te truth about capitalism for at least 10 years and ive always known that under capitalism this would lead to extreme poverty and rates of homelessness. But under socialism this could work very well for humanity

[@algfourty9185]

One of these outcomes sounds amazing, the other terrifying. Yet here we are barrelling towards an abyss of despair despite having the answers.

[@shake6321]

the capitalistic one is the amazing one. its just presented as "terrifying" because commies love to scare people about capitalism. but commies are always 99% wrong about capitalism. You could just try to own a robot and become a capitalist?

[@kiesarisunny13]

Cause of you I convinced people at my collage and even some in the local church that socialism isn’t all that bad and the government kinda sucks

[@crashoppe]

i''ll take people over government any day. when capitalism, people can boycott products, forcing the capitalist to play fair. under socialism, only the government decides. believe me, i have seen enough to know government and big business are both in cahoots.

[@inkryption3386]

​@@crashoppe You do realize that when everything is automated, and the working class are no longer able to buy products due to having no money after being replaced in every profession, the elite will just overturn everything, making "boycotting" a pointless activity in their new model of "society". Socialism *is* people. Socialism entails a system where power is taken from elites, and delegated to actual, working people, who can decide amongst themselves how to run business; sort of like if everyone was a shareholder, since everyone lives in the society the business operates in, and therefore has a stake, and motivation to make it better.

[@feifeicuttie]

Can someone with extreme allergies boycott Epipen? Can a ex construction worker who got hurt on the job and is now addicted to opiates boycott Oxycontin? The whole point of a democracy is that we the people are supposed to be protected from threats. That we are free to pursue happiness. You can't be free if you are being preyed upon. The government is corrupt because of perverse incentives to sell out the American people for money. But business is at its foundation corrupt, they exist only for money.

[@jimpickins7900]

@@inkryption3386 A yes they will grow rich selling to the people with no money, HeY wAiT a MinUtE. But in all seriousness one reason capitalist countries usually have better standards of live is that the reduced costs of production mean things cost less, who would have thought, even in the nightmare scenario in the video where for some reason the politicians (you know the guys with the armies) decide to give up their democratically assured powers to a class of technocrats, and that doesn't immediately lead to a civil war to restore democracy, due to the low cost of everything even the lowest class will be living like millionaires today, Though yeah their will be more inequality as there will be a class of billionaire workers and trillionaire bosses.

[@crashoppe]

@@inkryption3386 no, i dont realize that because i believe the elite and government (even socialism) are parts of the same machine. if socialism is as you describe why then is there an even greater distinction between the wealthy of socialist countries and its average citizen? the average citizen is very limited and the government and elite have it all and there is nearly no way possible for an average person to excel.

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

It's official. KZbin is burying your content. I didn't get a notification when this video went live. Keep up the great work regardless!

[@johnnydoe2672]

I got a notification though so maybe it’s not just youtube

[@IronKnight2402]

I got a notification sooo...

[@some_unknown_random5668]

Well, channels like China uncensored are having the same problems, so...

[@Oropher420]

I have over 1000 channels subbed and yet this was the first to get on my notifications list. weird.

[@goutamboppana961]

@@johnnydoe2672 same

[@joeb3505]

For me, I know that if I received a UBI, I would be able to spend more time writing, painting, and volunteering. I feel like I'd be able to do more of what I love instead of working long days for the majority of my life when I know I could get the same amount of work done in less time than a normal work day. Here's to hoping for the good things that could come with automation!

[@TaoGroovewitch]

When i was a young child in the 70's (Gen X in the house!) there were articles that would ask "What will we do with all of our leisure time in the Atomic Age?". Disney had the Tomorrowland exhibit, culture was waiting for flying cars, and we had an active space program and sci fi on TV...and then the OPEC oil embargoes crushed the economy. The socialist vision of the future was pretty mainstream until somewhere around the time we decoupled the Treasury from the gold standard. I dont know how many Gen Xers would agree with me but I've always felt that we were given a hope for that future and then Reagan and his ilk stole it from us. Ever since, the goalposts have been moving toward post capitalist dystopia. The socialist vision for future needs amplification.

[@SecondThought]

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[@toborer7895]

You Inspired me to start a socialist movement at my school. Keep up the work!!

[@imasheep6298]

How his that working out

[@SecondThought]

That’s great to hear! I hope it’s going well

[@thanos8638]

Best of luck to you comrade!

[@zoobiezaa]

@@toborer7895 well yea lmao

[@TheRedSoulofDT]

@UCrnLgJW4QkWktDqu_S50MkA sounds like a typical school system, hope your socialist movement continues to grow stronger!

[@williamc9578]

As a start, people need to start thinking about 2 things: What is value in human society? And what is fulfilment in human existence? These are fundamental questions that frames how we find meaning and define ourselves. The basic premise we've been taught and inculcated with for the last couple of centuries is really one of self-reliance, and work as a way to contribute to the community that we're a part of, and hence receive/expect rewards/recognition. This is a powerful construct, and it has benefitted the development of human societies for several centuries. Granted, there've been gross misuse and exploitation of this idea in the form of slavery, feudalism, and the relentless driving down of wages/conditions under the capitalist interpretation of this model. What we need is a transition from this centuries old paradigm, to one where the value of people is defined not by output or ROI, but by the betterment of society and community. Where fulfilment is not measured by how much money one makes, or the size of one's house/car, but by the number of people one helps/support to improve their lives/well-being. Upon this new paradigm, the challenges of A.I. and Robotics become orthogonal to human development. Productivity of Automation ceases to become a contest with humans for speed-of-output or consistency of quality. Instead, A.I. supports human society and human actualization. Humans have a new set of goals and rewards to strive for. Inequality becomes less of a problem. UBI will have a role. As will a share of the returns from Automation. Consumption will not be the primary driver of revenue, as profits is oriented towards the strengthening of societies and human-bonds. This is not utopian. Utopianism is often a recipe for dysfunction. Rather, it shapes the world on a different path, based on different motivations, and values different outcomes.

[@murraymadness4674]

"Where fulfilment is not measured by how much money one makes, or the size of one's house/car, but by the number of people one helps/support to improve their lives/well-being." No there is a novel concept! My own view is we need to ABOLISH THE STOCK MARKET and stop worshipping the rich and celebrating stupidity. Notice that we report on the stock market results EVERY DAY in the news. It is a KEY figure for so many. How come we don't have a Happy Index? Others have proposed this, maybe it was Finland that was going to have such a number and the goal of government was to increase it. NOT THE STOCK MARKET

[@coolioso808]

Good thoughts and points made. Humanity needs a new evolution. That is, to a society that values us not as commodities or consumers but as creative, worthy individuals. Automation could actually save us from environmental and life support system collapse, under the right system. We don't need a growing economy, we need de-growth and careful management of resources to meet basic human needs. A UBI could be a very valuable tool in achieving that sort of society, but it shouldn't end there. We could more comfortably live in a Natural Law Resource Based Economy that goes beyond the need for any poverty, politics, war and money. Self-sufficient, localized, automated communities all over the world that are local direct democratic and uncontrolled by some big fat cat or their cronies. People might think those places would go crazy if there wasn't heavy law enforcement or military, but I beg to differ. Give people their basic needs without the requirement of labor, but then provide people many meaningful opportunities to contribute to society in areas like art, science, healthcare, exercise, education, engineering, programming, gardening, etc. and see how many people are much happier and healthier.

[@williamc9578]

@@coolioso808 there is a distinct lack of dicussion and discourse outside of niche communities/groups on alternatives to a capitalistic, profit-motive construct. Indeed, one cannot underestimate the entrenched mindset among most of the developed world to this sort of societal design. Alternative voices are fringe and marginalized, in the face of bigger paychecks, higher profits, more bonuses, dividends, tax-breaks. We end up fighting the very people that we're pushing a better future for. It has to start with education and philosophy. More young people need to explore ideas of what human society should be like. ANd these cannot just be in philosophy or social-science majors, but in Engineering ,in Physics, Chemistry, Biology, in Computer Science, in Robotics, in economics, in journalism, and many more. We need a new school of thought to build a new movement. It has to transcend national borders, yet organic and local. Maybe then, there'll be a chance.

[@coolioso808]

@@williamc9578 More excellent points. I totally agree. Active education and philosophical discussion are crucial and then a focus on youth being more involved in this sort of thinking is very important. There is an old saying that "youth is wasted on the young," and that's a more cynical look. I can see that side, but I also see many youth who are eager, willing and able to expand their minds and grow in ways that would improve themselves and their communities. That's the sort of work I hope to do more of. We can all do our part, and any and all conversations that lead more people to think about and even act on socio-economic system redesign away from this unsustainable capitalist mess, is a good thing.

[@Schmiddelwutz2000]

For this we need humans that strive to help each other and not exploit each other.

[@gavintheshiba8304]

A lot of people say ‘well if AI replaces jobs just get jobs AI can’t replace’… …uh, okay, what about when there’s an overload of people applying for those jobs? It won’t work.

[@thoughtprism2963]

This was a straight and to the point informative essay on the paths we face, while being grokable for newcomers. Excellent work.

[@yankochoynev652]

This was an ideologically charged propaganda video that did not attempt to explore both sides of the issue, but instead opted to look at it only through a marxist lens. "capitalism bad, marxism good" can be used to summarise the whole 18 minute video.

[@nickpeterson8659]

@@yankochoynev652 Your ideologically charged propaganda comment can be summarized as "capitalism good, marxism bad". This video seems more about UBI to me.

[@yankochoynev652]

@@nickpeterson8659 nowhere in my comment did I say capitalism is good, you are just putting words in my mouth. UBI was mentioned in the video btw, and the guy said something to the effect of "ubi is kinda sorta ok, but not enough" So your assessment of my comment and the video seem poor to me.

[@nickpeterson8659]

@@yankochoynev652 We all suffer through the hell of our own ignorance, and time is the fire in which we burn. If you wanted to help you would teach, or at least suggest some way to ease suffering. You though, scrolled though the comments of a video that you hate and found positive feedback so you shit on it. Find something you love, and share that with others. Those who define themselves by the things they hate, become hateful people. You're better than that, aren't you?

[@drewjones1758]

The only thing I would have added would be that time spent away from work could also be used to build more healthy families. Imagine parents that could spend time with their kids and were under less stress.

[@georgesappolon4627]

So you want to live for free

[@internalizedhappyness9774]

@@georgesappolon4627 weird way to say that you shove quarters up your urethra!

[@Catthepunk]

@@georgesappolon4627 have you watched the video bruh

[@georgesappolon4627]

@@Catthepunk I did and it’s a wonderful way of saying to work for society and not yourself and society will give you what it deems you need

[@Catthepunk]

@@georgesappolon4627 oh cool. I thought you was having a go at the idea

[@bigcrazewolf]

Worker of the world unite ✊

[@BritishRepublicsn]

-PragerU

[@sleiger8855]

Workers.....assemble

[@AllfatherBlack]

@@BritishRepublicsn That's a socialist battle cry so if those fools are saying it, great. Let them.

[@henrycrabs3497]

Says the Fallout pfp

[@EyeoftheAbyss]

It's truly good to hear you say what I've been thinking and very clearly with careful attention to detail.

[@gregporter4102]

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them." - Dirty, artsy, hippy named Frank

[@greenleaf1635]

I can't wait to establish a society based on humanity and compassion.

[@LocoCogo917]

But we can't be solely driven on those ideals. Extremism is generally what tears societies apart, ours included.

[@adityanayak872]

Those ideals are just ideal as a friction less surface in physics problem

[@DistributistHound]

Welcome to Distributism

[@mihapetek3418]

Can't wait to buy my bread with my compassion.

[@greenleaf1635]

Enjoy your vitamin and mineral depleted heavily processed carcinogen GMO foods. Nothing is holier than profits. @@mihapetek3418

[@hellotoday3023]

Last time I was this early, we were still in early-stage capitalism.

[@homemurso1484]

The thing that eludes us still is imagining a third way: a balanced ideal and existence.

[@DistributistHound]

That third way was born almost at the same time as the other 2 models however it was ignored to some extent for sometime but in case you are interested on 3th way model is called Distributism and another one is called Social Credit thou the original version not the Chinese one kzbin.info/www/bejne/a2KthouPYq9oa5Isi=GchQsL3V45ZjuQpf

[@Marxism_Today]

Great collaboration - 1Dime is fantastic! Widespread automation will likely spell the end of global capitalism as a result of the falling rate of profit it gives rise to. Value is created by expending human labour-power. If human labour is no longer needed to produce, capitalists will no longer be able to realise the same high rates of profits, diminishing year-on-year in proportion with the spread of automation. Thus, we have a downward trend of boom-and-bust cycles that causes the rate of profit to fall until the entire system eventually becomes unsustainable and collapses in on itself. Our job is to make sure to have a socialist infrastructure in place for such a time so that when the collapse happens, the means of production, distribution and exchange can be handed over to organised working people and managed collectively in the interest of the common good. Keep up the great work! ✊🚩

[@Fred_the_1996]

Nah, fam, anarcho-primitivism would be the way to go /s

[@SecondThought]

Thanks, Paul! Excited to watch your new episode!

[@GermanGlitchhunter]

I despise the idealisation of capitalism because capitalism only benefits a few despite people often saying that "capitalism does whats best for society". Well, no! Capitalism never has done, never does and never will do whats best for society but only whats best for the top and the company.

[@mrcheckhammmer]

The video is incomplete. What about capitalism's incredible wildcard that allows new jobs to be made and the job market to adapt all the time? You don't think automation will cause new jobs to be made? What living standards are we talking with socialism? Why make the average human work less when new jobs are being created, won't that stagnate humanity? These are simple questions you can ask. Firstly, people in politics will not allow true socialism as that is not in the interest of corporations who support governments. Secondly, capitalism will just adapt better to a new industrialised or automatized economy.

[@GermanGlitchhunter]

@@mrcheckhammmer Is it capitalism that allows new jobs to be made and the job market to adapt? Or does that happen IN capitalism and maybe even despite capitalism not wanting people to adapt? First off, we don't have true capitalism. In most countries things like education or roads are getting paid by taxes/the state meaning there often are social elements. Education particulary is quite important because a newly emerging industry requiring some knwoledge about for instance chemistry/physics/math is not something you find quite easily without education. With education however you can spread the amount of potential. Similar thing goes for roads. Without them getting paid by taxes they would probably require tolls to be used (if a company doesn't make money why would they build roads or keep them in somewhat good shape? Roads are quite important because they increase mobility, meaning you can get to a job that is further away from where you live. Secondly, since capitalism is mostly about the individual at the top/the company none of them want you to adapt. They themselves may want to adapt and integrate new technology to stay in the game but they don't want YOU to adapt. Because you adapting and leaving the company. Thirdly, what new jobs will be made through automation and how many? Do you think new jobs created through automation will all of a sudden create the same amount of jobs that were lost? And again, which jobs? Surely some new jobs will get created but you won't be able to compensate easily for the amount of workers being lost due to automation. Also a lot more people will get left in the rut. Not everyone can become a Web-Developer in a short amount of time. more people would need help to get a fair shot at work, so social structures are needed. Fourthly, I think the debate about this topic is often shattered by people only thinking in black and white. I am not neccessarily pro socialism. You can however integrate social structures into a capitalistic system. Like UBI could be used next to a salary meaning you can still earn money while at the same time getting UBI. So we don't lose the ability to make a better living and increase your living standard while we at the same time can try to give people a fair base line of living, which I think is quite important. I mean, people in poverty often get talked down upon because they "don't want to work", which is not the case by any means. Most have to deal with trauma/depression or other problems which is why they are in such a position. Money doesn't neccessarily help them but stability does and UBI would give this. Also people won't get slaved-away by shitty jobs because they need to to survive. They have a better chance at a job they enjoy, which I think is much more beneficial to the economy compared to cold-hearted capitalism. Fithly, work isn't the best lense to look through if you want to look at progress. You base your assumption on your other assumptions so for humanity not to "stagnate" it has to be true that automation much rather has to create new jobs than throwing a lot of people out of work. Yet again, automation tself would barely create new jobs. The unused labor could but that is not automation creating new jobs. It's automation causing a lot of people to lose jobs and other structures trying to cathc them. Also yet again, economy may not be the best lense if you want to look at humanitys progress. What is happening in the social sphere? I don't mean as in socialist economy but much rather how we treat each other? I think we have lost human connection, if we ever truly had any. So there is something we could make a huge progress in, yet we currerntly don't and in the near future won't because we are pushed into a capitalistic system. Sixtly, a problem with capitalism is that it relys on money. People often talk about capitalism driving innovation, which I highly doubt because people often can't innovate due to time constraints and their lack of access to ressoureces, especially money. Also innovation could be increased through cooporation. People working together could increase innovation, yet, because we still mainly have capitalism and companies want their profits, the ability to innovate gets decreased via patents. About your points: Yeah, surely it won't happen that politicians will allow socialism. Yet again, I think people are to hell bent on the idea of capitalism vs scialism despite there already being a lot of social structures and the ability to combine both systems. It's also one of the reasons why I think at least social structures are needed. We have lost the ability as people to properly decide about politics so we don't live in a democracy anymore. Maybe a company driven democracy but that isn't what a democracy should be. Secondly, I doubt that it's the case that capitalism will adapt better to a new and automized economy. How do you prove that? Sure, if we look at the past we may see a tendency towards the economy being able to contain people losing their jobs, at least to some extent. The problem is that the requirements constantly rise for you to be able to work. The jobs that will gtet automated are easily leanrable so anyone can do them. Also does this happen because of capitalism or does this happen IN capitalism. Would people losing their jobs in a scoial-capitalistic or even socialistic econmy lose their jobs and then nothing happens with them? They will be jobless their entire lifetime? I don't think so. The ability to be jobless offers opportunity. Like them trying to achieve something, an innovation or something they have thought about but they could never realize due to time constraints of having to drive 1 hour to and back from work while having to work 40 hours a week and then having to lean a new skill to get a better job. A social-capitalistic economy or socialism could also offer people the ability to innovate.

[@mrcheckhammmer]

@@GermanGlitchhunter The economy’s progression is what fuels social progression. All the great artists are due to competition and struggle that only capitalism can breed. Even the self-destructive leftist trends that are popular in the West nowadays are due to capitalism’s prosperity. People dont realize that capitalism has always worked and implementing something new such as socialism in order to experiment can harm many more people that capitalism can harm. Capitalism isnt perfect, but its the best system we have. If you remove much of the social structures, you will find that much of the private sector’s interest lays in the construction of roads, welfare of people, since for the economy to prosper, the people have to prosper, and vice versa. Its almost poetic how capitalism, which is concerned mostly with the economy, is enough to uplift the situation of an entire people.

[@GermanGlitchhunter]

@@mrcheckhammmer Again, the big question is: Does everything you described happen BECAUSE of capitalism or does that happen IN capitalism and it could happen in almost any economic system, even slavery? Firstly, no, capitalism doesn't fuel social progress, at least not in the way I mean. I meant "humand connection" not education or other things that mainly exist to benefit the corporation and capitalism. 40 hours work weeks + time needed to drive to your work and in many cases maybe even having to create a company (because you are unsatisfied with your job or for other reasons) often has as a result the loss of human. Especially relationships often crash because of work. Secondly, yet again are the greatest artists bread BECAUSE of capitalism or IN or maybe even DESPITE capitalism? Well, I obviously have to ask you, what you define as greatest artists? Currently successfull artists? Those often aren't realy artists. I mean painting some dots on canvas for some pretentuos rich guy isn't art. It's a tool often used to avoid taxes and move money without actually moving money. Or do you mean past artists? Many of the great artists aren't great because they always were great but rather because the amount of available works often is scarce, old and the artist can't create any new works and there is a demand. Vincent Van Gogh isn't supposed a great artist because "CAPITALISM, YAY" but rather because he wanted to paint. Also competition in capitalism doesn't breed the best artists, at all. Firstly the success of your art often depends on other factors, especially connections. If you know some pretentous rich guy or a galery owner you have a far, far greater chance at becoming successfull. Secondly if you art is based on competition, you don't make art, you make a product If your art becomes a product, it's not realy art anymore. Also struggle? People struggle even without capitalism. One of the biggest struggles usualy is love especially in music but also in poetry ar other media. Do you think we should stick with having "great" musicians and not connect as humans trying to find love, which would made those musicians at least partialy obsolete (heartbreak will always exist so even in a more social economy people would make music? Well, it isn't neccessarily true for art but innovation overall but competition doesn't drive innovation. Competition in my opinion diminishes it because instead of cooporating and trying to make the best possible product people make what's best for them and their company. Thirdly, what do you mean by self-destructive left? And no, they don't exist because of capitalistic prosperity. It's false assumption. They may reemerged due to capitalism and the size of cities being so huge that we are mostly dissconnected from people but usualy in smaller communities people used to cooporate, not extract value because people had to. Nowadays it feels way worse because we can ignore people. You know, capitalism also creates people in poverty and homelessness. Fourthly, that something works isn't the best indicator that something is great. You could build a highly convoluted dam that is barely efficient, yet it works. Does that mean it's a great dam? No. Also yes, going from capitalism to socialism would probably harm a lot of people. But that is not due to the change being harmful or socialism being harmful, again, it's not even neccessary to think in black and white, capitalism vs. socialism but you can combine both with something like UBI. However capitalism also hurts a lot of people. Workload is increaasing every year. People nowadays have to work more and more to make ends meat. Also the amount of knwoledge you have to gain a fair, liveable job so you often have to invest a huge ton of money prior to earning anything and an education doesn't even guarantee you a job. People sticking with capitalism and even sugarcoating it often reminds of a bad relationship: "Well, he beats me from time to time and insults me but then there are times where he is sweet". People often stick with bad relationships because it's what they know so in the case of capitalism people stick with what they know best. This however doesn't mean capitalism is great. Also how do you know it's the best system we have? Fifthly, yes corporations would want people to be educated, right. But does that mean they would be so gracious and offer those for free? No, not at all? Probably even worse, they would most likely try to more or less bind you to the company. Meaning bad contracts to extract as much from you as possible, either via contracts, like you getting educated by a company and then having to work for them at least for five years or with debt. I also doubt that a capitalistic welfare system would be great. Sure, social welfare system are often quite bad but I doubt that capitalistic welfare system would be any better. Why would a company care about some people in poverty. As long as they have customers, why would they help people in poverty? Also ownership ower roads can be quite problematic. It's usualy the state or the city contraction companies to build roads. If however there is ownership of a road in the hansd of a single person or a company they could easily implement tolls. Not so long ago in Germany someone was able to buy a small part of a road and implemented a toll so people had to drive a long way to get around that small part. Lastly, what capitalism was and is good at is widening the gap between rich and poor. It hasn't lifted everyone up but rather pushed a lot of people down. Please keep in mind that we barely have any reasonable comparison to a different economyc system. And also please keep in mind that I am not talking about jamming socialism down peoples throats. Most people have learned capitalism so it's quite hard to unlearn and most people only see what capitalism can do and amybe what it can't but they don't know what another system could do and maybe, depending on what you want, capitalism is utter garbage. I believe in progress but progress in my opnion primarely gets achieved via cooporation rather than competition.

[@pc2753]

It's not that capitalism is all that great, it's more because communism is just so dreadful. But I know what you mean, capitalism so rarely works well because worker choice to up and leave when they are treated badly is rarely possible.

[@NoodleBerry]

I often think the world makes no sense. When we make TOO MUCH stuff, everything crashes down and people go without. When LESS work is necessary, people have to work more, faster to stay alive. On a different note, 8 hours is exhausting. I find school, 6h 5 days a week, tolerable, but 8h is ridiculous I care much more about hours in a day than days, but it’s crazy awesome to imagine 5-6 hours a day 4 days a week.

[@judithpriestess7781]

Jaron Lanier wrote a book called 'Who Owns the Future'. He delves into this subject matter, expertly. Thanks for making this video.

[@angiebyrne6249]

Too many people dismiss socalisim as an evil ideology I’m commenting for the algorithm so even if people don’t agree with it they should se this

[@evanorizamen3619]

Same

[@forthesnowflakes7691]

Lol. And that's why I troll right-wing unwittingly authoritarian fascist scum comments in the KZbin space.... For the algorithm and a balance. Maybe I'm going about it wrong but it's also entertaining. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@xLIVEDz]

Yeah I know, I don't understand how people can't wrap their heads around the fact that socialism is our only saving grace! Oh wait, it was the other way around, I don't understand how commies can't take their red blindfold off and see all the disasters that socialists/communists have caused.

[@xLIVEDz]

@TheDrewSaga Well I'm rather pleased with my life in a capitalist country and I'm hopeful for the future. If commies were to be able to take over, I would be terrified and wouldn't enjoy the certain bloodshed and misery that would follow.

[@forthesnowflakes7691]

@TheDrewSaga i know i know.. But it's kinda a release too lol

[@Riveloperinc]

But Republicans said we just need to cut taxes for rich and it trickles.

[@uplayxer6421]

It trickles into swiss bank accounts...

[@hithere5553]

I don’t like drinking piss.

[@gavinisdie]

I know right, politicians and billionaires desperately need money, way more than that person working a 40 hour work week and not getting paid enough to live in a house, forcing them to build a makeshift shack and getting constantly harassed by police

[@kenbowser2943]

I guess you don't understand tax, either. Wealthy just increase the price of merch so we pay for any increase in cost for everything. Wealthy also find ways to show little taxable income. Here is a novel idea for what to tax. TRUST FUNDS. Never ever hear of taxing them, do ya? And, ya just blame the other side. The corruption and gift on that side is stunning.

[@somerandomguy4919]

The Pro life Conservatives don't care if other people are suffering in horrible working conditions, just as long it doesn't affects them.

[@R3I8D]

I imagine youd need UBI just to have children. Right now it's a faraway dream to have a child and actually have the means to take care of them.

[@cosmicllama6910]

Right now they are trying to be like "we'll give you up to $300 a month per child!! Now will you make us more work slaves. That doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of actually having security for children when we've been priced out of ever owning homes

[@abyssstrider2547]

@@cosmicllama6910 300$ is a lot. I earn that much in a month.

[@brianvalenti1207]

Despite the cost of living, it's still quite popular.

[@AllfatherBlack]

@@MrPrankmastergeneral People having children are spewing toxins into the air and dumping radioactive material into the Florida Everglades? I'm doing that? It's not Microsoft's manufacturing partners? It's me?

[@wackojacko4580]

I feel like a universal basic income is inevitable so that we can keep buying things and keeping the economy open but I don’t know if it will be enough to live comfortably in the future

[@OP-01]

No, what is inevitable is the Incorporation of the human mind and anatomy with that of Mashine. To prevent the enslavment of man with machine. It is required that we become part of it. Its imortal directors and engineers

[@Kaiserboo1871]

@@OP-01 Praise the Omnissiah.

[@ayanari3531]

Fascism wants to replace creativity with bots and make you work on what they want; post-scarce Communism wants to replace what society needs but is hard to do with automation, while you can pursue your creativity/hobbies. UBI doesn't work under capitalism as the tax-payer pays for itself; under communism the economic value comes from factories not to them.

[@bungkusi2432]

Really hope to see Gene Roddenberry's future predictions become come true

[@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts]

The thing is, if you know anything about Star Trek, you know that the planet has to go through HELL before we get there.

[@Elizabeth-eu5sv]

@@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts we will have to live through horrific times, and it will all be worth it in the end when we rebuild a better world

[@leiaorgana5098]

@@travisbiko8990 we’d be dead by then, saturated from nuclear fire or biological/chemical warfare... unless your turned into an augment like kahn.

[@LucenProject]

I've been thinking about this a lot recently. I feel automation has to move along with UBI funded by a taxed percentage of the savings that result from automation.

[@brianvalenti1207]

What do you do with a population that doesn't need to work to survive? Historically the answer tended to be war, but I'd prefer something better. I agree the automation answer should be some kind of UBI, but is mankind capable of accepting it?

[@theghostofspookwagen4715]

@@brianvalenti1207 Ideally UBI that at least ensures that your basic needs (i.e. what you need to not die) are provided for. Not a luxurious life, but a life. The rest of your time can be spent on, as OP says, finding other hobbies to do or ways to work or living the way you want and so on.

[@DaimyoD0]

Dear Second Thought, If you happen to read this, please do a video explaining the differences between Communism and Socialism, both in theory and practice! Also, if there any other major schools of Marxist thought that could reasonably be compared & contrasted with these two, please include them! Thank you for always teaching us so much. Sincerely, A fan.

[@toksicksea1808]

Never seen such disciplined request in yt comment, We Leftists always give respect

[@henrycrabs3497]

@@dr.antoniodeoliveirasalaza4640 every one is

[@DaimyoD0]

@@dr.antoniodeoliveirasalaza4640 It depends if the disagreement is a matter of political theory or a matter of fundamental human rights lol.

[@allstarmark12345]

The irony is that Jerome Powell was saying the other day how they won’t consider raising rates until we achieve “maximum employment”. But then when asked to define it he says “well we looks at a range of factors and can’t define quantitatively.” Yeah we’re moving in this direction quickly

[@adriansalazar8145]

One of my first jobs here in US was at a chocolate factory, it was a small factory and wasn't very developed and as a result many operations that could be done by the machine we had to do it ourselves, it was a nightmare working there because I had to do a very physical and repetitive work just because the owner didn't want to invest in a bigger more advanced machinery, a more automated one.

[@727Phoenix]

I've never been entirely against capitalism, against free-market enterprise per se, yet I may as well agree 100% with this presentation. After all, when decent standards of living are attainable from less than 15 hours/week of work, there's plenty of opportunities for individuals to explore their interests and potentials. And _that_ provides opportunities for a healthier form of open market free enterprise. I have no idea how to prevent that from becoming the harmful exploitative capitalism we have now. I have no formal education in economics or anything else but financial incentives for innovation in every aspect of living needs to be protected even within socialist societies.

[@gonozal8_962]

who said that incentives for working harder/more innovative can‘t be added in a planned economy?

[@727Phoenix]

@@gonozal8_962 Thanks. I've started plodding through _Planned Economy_ on Wikipedia thank you very much. Any idea where I can read a basic beginner's version on this topic?

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

Which is why I support highly regulated, highly taxed social democracy. The main goal is to make sure that as capital reaches closer and closer in levels of wealth to the very elected government and society itself it needs to be suppressed. When wealth holders cross a certain threshold their influence transmutes into a self sustaining political influence. This type of government needs to have a vision, a name, and be a belief and ideology of the working class and the middle class voters at large. We need everyone *TO BELIEVE* in order to change society.

[@727Phoenix]

@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 Not everyone, but you're right, _enough_ people, a critical mass needs to be reached in order to change direction.

[@Josh-sv7wj]

Here's where I like to play a little devils advocate; the owner class still relies mostly on consumption. We're not just workers, we're consumers, at least in the modern era. Giving people a universal wage, or at least fixing the shortfalls of traditional welfare can keep the unemployed (or unemployable because of automation) consuming, and thus keep corporations making profits. I believe the owner class needing the working class has shifted from them needing us to work, rather they need us to consume. They just keep us employed (in general) as a form of welfare anyway, so we can keep consuming. I think eventually, work weeks, and normal working hours will decrease, without effecting wages, giving us more time to consume. All those Hobbies you talked about require someone making some sort of transaction, some sort of consumption. Is it not in the capitalists' interest to see that we keep consuming, and have the money for it? This is just a thought experiment, I don't actually know where I land on this.

[@ICYGaming.]

I can see your Idea and idk I feel like without a mixed economy of both socialism and capitalism make you feel like your helping people. It gives you grit and survival and worth and when we keep going for efficiency we may go over the deep end and mess it up putting people last

[@leirbag1595]

I agree with a lot of what you've said there. It'd really just be socialism under another name at this point, just with an elite class, and a pretty nice place to live in. The problem is that it assumes that the owner class will be pragmatic, instead of fighting tooth and nail to drain every single penny they can, just to have more than the others without caring for the societal collapse they cause. It's what happened with climate and I fear that they will do it with society at large.

[@ICYGaming.]

@@leirbag1595 yeah it's really hard to find a correct way because we as people have to set a tone and it's hard to get everyone to agree one thing because we are to focused on more than one thing so we can never get anything done

[@mrcheckhammmer]

The video is incomplete. What about capitalism's incredible wildcard that allows new jobs to be made and the job market to adapt all the time? You don't think automation will cause new jobs to be made? What living standards are we talking with socialism? Why make the average human work less when new jobs are being created, won't that stagnate humanity? These are simple questions you can ask. Firstly, people in politics will not allow true socialism as that is not in the interest of corporations who support governments. Secondly, capitalism will just adapt better to a new industrialised or automatized economy.

[@InfernalGaming100]

@@mrcheckhammmer stop spamming this everywhere

[@maizeblu2099]

Even without automation, I think we could create a system where everything we need (food, water, shelter, clothing, school, healthcare) is free and a world where if you wanted to work you could, or you could go to school, but you also don't have to. Because the system would be well organized, for example, farms growing food not for corporations to seek profit, but rather just food for society as a whole and where people who chose to go into construction are able to build houses or other living areas as they are needed. A society where all it takes to get a job is to walk in and say "Hey, I'd like to work here." And a world without borders where if you wanted to go into another country, you could with very few to no restrictions. I want to hike the three crown trails in the United States, but because I am essentially a slave to my job, living paycheck to paycheck, that dream is currently impossible. I would also like to point out that we could see more musicians and bands pop up, more artistic drawings, more movies and video games. Because with capitalism, everything costs money, but in a more socialist society... well... that is where 'true' freedom lies.

[@SvaraLumina]

Coming from someone who is on the front lines of the tech field, we are nowhere near this as an inevitable conclusion. There are many assumptions made here around finding and implementing resilient systems, and ensuring those systems can properly self heal on both the software and hardware; Additionally, they need to eventually be able to self evolve and self iterate or the current practices in IT will continue to breed more of the current environment of requiring people. Even though this video has many credible sources, it still needs to paint the picture on how we get to this inevitability as a logical conclusion. My entire profession right now revolves around reliability. The ability to replace people entirely for jobs isn't there right now, even if you back it will all relevant clouds and infrastructure. As of right now, this is so far future that I imagine we will hit substantially more problems with climate change or capitalism proper that derail this as an inevitability. The worst outcome of this is probably the concept of job displacement. If people are unable to adapt when the job fields continue to shift towards technology, then many of these repetitive manual labor tasks will continue to die while the tech seats go unfilled. Tech truly can't grow fast enough to keep up, and even my team can't keep a fully staffed headcount as it grows exponentially year over year.

[@mrrodgers0]

This also isn't helped by the tech-illiteracy of many HR departments. As a Math/CS student looking to enter the workforce soon, some of the requirements I see on job postings are absurd when compared to what the description says the job actually entails. I know some of that is corporate creating impossible standards so that they can justify work visas for workers from abroad, but often times it's HR just being that genuinely clueless.

[@teejayquintynecom]

50 years ago, the thought of having an AI software that could monitor millions of people’s feelings, thoughts and experiences and make predictions about them would of been pretty much unimaginable to most people. Now social media does this 24/7 and it’s normal. I think you underestimate how quickly the world is changing.

[@officialdavidhuffman]

This comment and idea did age well with AI and APIs now.

[@xXVignettaXx]

Been watching since your original 600b military budget video. That video made me pay so much more attention to where money was going. Especially while living in job corps, a government funded trade school. The evolution of your channel has directly coincided with my coming of age. It feels too appropriate.

[@andeevfx8115]

same bro

[@sebys1414]

Keep up this kind of content, we need these socialistic values

[@kenbowser2943]

Where's that ever worked? Nowhere so far.

[@jms3430]

@@kenbowser2943 it’s worked several times. It just tends to get squashed by Americans because they feel threatened by something other than what they’ve been lying about for the last 80 years, working better than they said.

[@kenbowser2943]

@@jms3430 never worked and not because of our government. It don't work because their governed by PEOPLE. Humanity is filled with those who desire greed and power and it don't matter where it comes from. Hmmmmm, makes me think a bit about how much of a sponge Marx was.

[@jms3430]

@@kenbowser2943 Jesus christ, read a fucking book. Even if that were true, everything about our society is “against our human nature”. Also I’m pretty sure military destabilisation and installing puppet dictators counts as Americans fucking with other countries

[@kenbowser2943]

@@jms3430 I've read more books than you ever looked at, jackoff. How about you open a book written by someone who lived under the authoritarian boot. Turn your back on authoritarian leadership here tho.

[@Masp89]

As for me, my workplace is also a very social place. It's at the office I have all my friends and that's where I tell jokes, gossip and where we eat lunch together. I felt so lonely and miserable during working from home, I have no idea how I would cope with no workplace to go to. Maybe if I used my free time to study I would meet class mates or maybe I would hang out with my neighbours more. I think in a society with full automation we would need more public spaces where we can socialize, places like libraries, cafés, maybe an artist studio open for the public to use, computer rooms where you can game together, etc.

[@greenburg2276]

And there would still be work even if it’s not under production. But yeah

[@greenburg2276]

Philanthropic pursuits, research, development, etc etc. and those who do work will be better for than those who don’t. But those who don’t won’t be threatened with the violence of poverty

[@spit782]

Play as Rogue Servitor in Stellaris and we might end up as that,in the game,the organic species that is under Rogue servitor government,everything to politics to basic production is led and made by machines,while humans also known as Bio Trophy's are preserved in city havens,every need that a human has is provided and satisfied.The backstory is that the intelligent robots realised the species that they were made from dont have the capacity to care about themself(the organic species cant care about themselves),so the machines too it upon themselves to care for the humans

[@typicalplayer1]

Sooo rat paradise for humans, that will not end well. Reminds me of that part from the matrix where neo and the bad guy are talking about the first simulation and why it failed.

[@Alkezo1]

And then you, as Rogue Servitors, conquer the galaxy and forcibly retire all species into captivity where they will live comfortable lives as pets. Or be genocided by the Determined Exterminator.

[@nickthenuker7916]

@@Alkezo1 sometimes I want to play a xenophile. Then 2 determined exterminator hive minds spawn right next to me and I remember why I decided to take a break from this game

[@davidtitanium22]

man, i need to get back to stellaris

[@Komatic5]

Great topic and one I’ve thought about a lot before. After all, it makes sense that a socialist/communist world would highly benefit from automation.

[@exodia_right_leg]

Bro I said just this in some cs ethics class. It ain't "why are the robots taking your jobs," it's "why do we need jobs when the robots can do it for us"

[@estacion7386]

Why is people trying to give IA to machines so they can be free? Can they be free? Or is this just a move of elites that want to control their new cheap labor in their favor?

[@exodia_right_leg]

@@estacion7386 could you clarify your questions my friend. Start with 1

[@Stvre]

I said the same thing but different

[@BolchenTheDrummer]

The Soviet Union Planned economy only failed to be as advanced as the First World because they were too ahead of the time when they could have the means necessary to be efficient at this planning, like AI and automation to improve productivity and it's distribution along the population.

[@SatanasExMachina]

Omg. I love both of your channels. Got notifications for both videos and was excited, only to find out you both collabed on these! That is awesome. Keep up the great work.

[@99wattr89]

It made me tear up when you described how much better our lives can be if we just make the changes we need.

[@mrcheckhammmer]

The video is incomplete. What about capitalism's incredible wildcard that allows new jobs to be made and the job market to adapt all the time? You don't think automation will cause new jobs to be made? What living standards are we talking with socialism? Why make the average human work less when new jobs are being created, won't that stagnate humanity? These are simple questions you can ask. Firstly, people in politics will not allow true socialism as that is not in the interest of corporations who support governments. Secondly, capitalism will just adapt better to a new industrialised or automatized economy.

[@MHWGamer]

just for your info: he obviously just highlighted the ideal scenario of socilism/communism, the reality is vastly different and to get to the point he describes is almost impossible. Just look at the current or past "full" fake socialist countries lol. If you want to make capitalism look good, you can also just highlight the good aspects

[@AllfatherBlack]

@@mrcheckhammmer Everything you're saying is utter gibberish, that's what.

[@AllfatherBlack]

@@MHWGamer Okay thanks, MHW*GAMER*. We really value your gamer thoughts, lolololol

[@MHWGamer]

@@AllfatherBlack mental capacity of a 5 year old?

[@DrummerJake_57]

I love that every video you spew out keeps reiterating anti-capitalism. You have to keep on this topic to really let it sink in to average joe. I know it's all I ever think about these days. We need a restructured society for our kids! We have to push it now for them to finish it off. I have hope with the resurrection of the young Left.

[@hatchin]

What a bunch of tools you all are. You all gonna end up in a gulag under your dream socialist reality one day. Why cant you look in to the pages of history and see how socialism worked out for anyone. I'm not saying capitalism is good but at this point it's a lesser evil.

[@DrummerJake_57]

@@hatchin you guys gonna just keep parroting the same stuff? It doesn't have to be a stalinist soviet model. We just want people to be able to get necessary care and true liberation.

[@hatchin]

@@DrummerJake_57 Im sure it's gonna work this time!

[@DrummerJake_57]

@@hatchin only if you promise.

[@transsylvanian9100]

@@DrummerJake_57 Stalin did nothing wrong. Some people deserve the gulag.

[@charlieshafer866]

Some of the content you provide in the youtube videos I've watched are thought provoking or spot on. Others you'll need to return to the drawing board.

[@SecondThought]

Not gonna lie, I don’t really care about your opinion

[@nicielunar542]

There are 3 endings of Automation 1. Good ending ( UBI is available and provides a good standard of living for everyone ) 2. Bad ending ( UBI is still there, but it's SO basic and only exists to keep you alive ) what we are likely to experience. 3. Ugly ending ( There was no UBI, and there was a massive population decline, basically everything turned into shit.

[@themightycat7238]

Utopia ending: machines become so advanced they have taken over all jobs and the entirety of humanity can finally do whatever they want

[@fuglong]

Ubi is hard to tackle, if you can provide actual commodities in ubi form this is best. If a cash ubi was given out, you know there would be sooooo many people and corporations scamming and exploiting people out of their money. Capitalist greed has to go before ubi will work effectively imo

[@ЛеонидСемёнов-у4ь]

UBI is bullshit dude

[@fuglong]

@@ЛеонидСемёнов-у4ь why?

[@ЛеонидСемёнов-у4ь]

@@fuglong for the reason you desribed - capitalists will just raise prices and wil just became a scheme to transfere money from goverment to private companies. Providing actual commodities like you said is better but i dont think you should call that UBI. Also often when goverments try to introduce UBI they try to take social programs like free healthcare away

[@matteste]

And one detail I felt that you overlooked is that in the case of further automatization, even the police and military would increasingly be replaced by robotics. And with their inherent lack of morals, can be more easily be pitted against the masses without those behind them having to say that they pulled the trigger.

[@murraymadness4674]

A good point. When the police force can't refuse to do the violence to their own, we have a real problem. Even now, look at Kenosha, the police were all brainwashed to think of the protestors as unhuman lesser people than them. If that idea is taken to the limit, no sympathy whatsoever by the police. Let me add, the Supreme Court was our last check on bought-and=paid politicians (which have become the wealthy class themselves), but even they have become corrupted, in particular with allow Citizens United to stand (that allows corps and dark money to fund politics)

[@kzisnbkosplay3346]

When I was little robots seemed so exciting, and then as an adult to be told they would threaten people's livelihoods really threw me for a loop. One benefit to working front desk at a hotel years ago, was that I had plenty of free time on the clock. Which I used to start writing about this exact thing. I really need to get back to that....

[@juliantaylor5956]

What movies did you take these clips from? One looks like blade runner maybe? But it sounds like a futurist writer already figured out some of this with the amazingly relevant imagery you showed

[@eatham.]

i think a lot are from blade runner

[@donaldsimmons4526]

This is perfect timing. Two days ago I pointed to this large machine that was pulling up the asphalt for road work and I asked my GF “how many jobs is that thing taking you think? 12, 15, 20” this is why America needs to more towards socialism because automation is killing the work force and the government needs to either take care of people or get ready for a war where a government that will take care of people will be put in its place.”

[@dennismitchell5276]

My greatgrandfather raised, and put through college, four kids with his 40 cow dairy. Today a dairy man down the road owns 40,000 cows and is deep in debt. If you do the math that is the income of 1,000 families.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@dennismitchell5276 It would have been the income of 1000 families if he was selling the milk when your great grandfather was. He is currently competing against large mostly automated operations so the margins probably aren't that great.

[@dennismitchell5276]

@@garethbaus5471 he is a large operation. Multimillionaire, own tens of thousands of acres. Significant investments in local cheese factories. Many other businesses also. Just about any part of the supply chain he has his fingers in.

[@garethbaus5471]

@@dennismitchell5276 I assumed when you mentioned the debt that he wasn't turning a profit, and was having trouble selling the assets it something. It isn't exactly worth mentioning the debt if the person can service the debt without harming operations. That doesn't necessarily make the margins high, but it is a hell of a lot more information than you initially provided.

[@dennismitchell5276]

@@garethbaus5471 I mentioned the debt because it is the factor that allowed him to expand so quickly. It wasn't hard work.

[@kantcake]

I automate things for a job. I work a few hours a day. I have plenty of time for my family and my hobbies. Automation is the absolute future and it it will benefit us if we allow it.

[@SimGunther]

The logical conclusion to automation is the answer to the question "how do you protect the planet from humans?" Sadly the answer here is that there wouldn't be humans to buy or make products and the machines would eventually break down without anything to fix themselves in the end game and the few humans controlling all the robots would eventually not exist.

[@Dragrath1]

Yeah its basically analogous to the rats on the island of flightless birds eventually the rats eat all the birds and there is no other food aside for the other rats with the rats forced to cannibalism and inevitable extinction. We have seen this happen. and it is the real scenario we are heading towards. Unfortunately this might very well be the fermi paradox explained. >_< Really this is basically exactly what cancer is our species is suffering late stage 4 social cancer if we don't find a way to get rid of the tumors (I.e. unempathetic money hording top 1%) there is only extinction for all. They are parasites and parasites can't survive on their own without a host. There economic model is basically exploit everything and it is effectively driving the Earth towards collapse and we aren't capable of managing systems anywhere near that level of complexity. In fact according to the principal of computational irreducibility which extends Alan Turing's work on Gödel's incompleteness theorems we will never be able to achieve that level of control as the Earth system is more complex than our brains.

[@Hoellewood_Solutions]

Our society is so divergent that two arguments on either side are so different, each respective listener agrees with their own bias. The very foundations of what each side desires is so different. How could we possibly hope to work together? Especially if our goals are different.