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This is Episode #25, where we discuss the Tylenol Murders.
Originally recorded 25/06/24.
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[@anaorjulia56]

This dropped right after my husband's and is wedding. He pulled up his phone and said "look ana, red thread!" And so now we're sitting in our room, and our first act as a married couple is watching red thread. I'd not have it any other way ❤

[@gingerdanny]

Congratulations on your happy day!

[@PersonOfRandomnesss]

Congrats!

[@theofficialytchannel]

Congratulations on your wedding, wishing you both many happy years together! Thanks for watching! -J

[@OddCanuck420]

​@@theofficialytchannel wholesome

[@mrbloodyhyphen-5657]

Congratulations 🎉

[@sarahsullivan5660]

Jackson! I work in healthcare, and a lot of pharmacies do something called compounding, which is basically taking a medication in one form (ie a pill or a tablet), breaking it down, and making it into another form (ie a liquid). We do this often for children’s prescription medications, and we can also add in flavors or colors to make it more appealing. I don’t know if all pharmacies do this, but many offer this service. Additionally, you can take children’s formulations! Read the box to find out how many mg of the medication is in each mL, and then calculate how many mL you need to get the appropriate adult mg dose. Isaiah and Charlie are right - by chewing up the pills and tablets, you may not be getting the effects of the medication. Swallowing pills is tricky, but while you figure out what works best for you, there are ways around that barrier that will allow for you to actually get medication into your system properly! Cheers!

[@theofficialytchannel]

Thanks Sarah! I take dissolveable medication that melts in my mouth. Appreciate the tips and advice. -J

[@ForgedSteele]

You may be able to buy pill crushers at a pharmacy too. I'm from Canada so I'm not 100% sure if they're also sold in the U.S, but I can't see why not.

[@mariawhite7337]

​@ForgedSteele they sell them in America all over. They often times just get bought out case once you use it for one medication you're not supposed to really use it for another. But my second cousin actually has this same sort of problem. I'll have to tell him this stuff so he can tell the pharmacy he goes to.

[@WillSavant]

She’s recommending Butt Stuff Jackson… Butt Stuff

[@willmetz1490]

Jackson and I are one and the same

[@LboyW]

Jackson can’t swallow? There goes my weekend plans

[@Puttagirlon]

That's the 4th gayest thing I've heard today ...

[@Puttagirlon]

The other three will get me banned from KZbin

[@Klied]

Gaaaaaaaaaaay

[@ninjaslayer9248]

@@Puttagirlonidk why this threw me off so hard, what are you on about?💀

[@AutismoTheGrand]

Thats crazy

[@realainsmcf]

Cool that Isaiah knows so much about chemistry, let’s hope he never gets lung cancer

[@Newblar]

Hisaiahnburg

[@GodBlessCanada]

He's confidently wrong about so much stuff in this... Just for instance no cough products contain what he said they did Love the show though!

[@stonehallow]

@@GodBlessCanada I agree, pretty much everything he said involving medicine, biology, or chemistry that wasn't directly read off a website was wrong. Like your example benadryl is not a benzo its an antihistamine and the popular one that was being abused had codeine which is converted by your body into morphine.

[@synthwavecat96]

​@@GodBlessCanada Almost like He hasn't been consciously learning about it for quite some time. Gee golly gosh.

[@Mulgah]

​@synthwavecat96 And that's fine but its not a good excuse for relaying incorrect information

[@shades_of_greige]

normal people: cough syrup is disgusting I only take pills Jackson: I chew all of my pills and cough syrup is yummy

[@urphakeandgey6308]

I've tasted some syrup medicines that taste good, so it depends. He might pick out the best tasting ones if he has such a problem with pills.

[@alexilonopoulos3165]

Cough syrup is unironically delicious

[@honilock577]

Cough syrup is actually good though.. Don't tell me people can't eat a sweet concoction...

[@arsena5209]

@@honilock577 a lot of cough syrups are actually bitter as hell, usually the sweet ones are for children but not always of course

[@undercoverjihadi9252]

it's honestly just the AWFUL strawberry/grape flavouring in it for me

[@rosetaah4120]

“Migs per kig” is actually killing me 😭

[@JustJakenStuff]

i imagine its just slang for milograms per kilo.

[@rosetaah4120]

@@JustJakenStuff Context is telling me that, of course. But I’ve been in trades and STEM my whole life and have never heard anyone else say that.

[@burneybenry8909]

@@rosetaah4120it may be more common with dangerous substances, i've heard that used for ratios of explosives before in passing. I dunno though.

[@jayjohnson7140]

​@@JustJakenStuff she knows what it means dude just she's just having a laugh about it

[@Janealtalt]

It’s a pretty common way to say it in medicine

[@goldbaum5297]

Just finished watching Creepcast and immediately I get new Red Thread. Lord has been good

[@FleshyWhiteChocolate]

We have been blessed brother 👏

[@N.I.C21]

do they just cover creepypastas on creepy cast? wats it about

[@codyl2501]

Preach, my brother in Christ

[@FleshyWhiteChocolate]

@@N.I.C21 yeah it’s fun to listen to the stories I read growing up. Along with Meatcanyons voice acting is just hilarious

[@nevaeh9125]

​@@N.I.C21creepypastas, r/nosleep stories, and recently analog horror. If you like Wendigoon and Papa Meat then you should check it out. You might even meet Mr. Wellers in the swamp.

[@the_Googie]

Jackson: "i just cant swallow" Wendigoon: "why :(" Awesome

[@AnimeFan22858]

Wedigoon jumpscare 💀

[@Rueben-xr1cs]

I peed...

[@RealMrRobinson]

​@@Rueben-xr1cs I pooped

[@captainawf2341]

I gooned.

[@PoopyPops652]

I met

[@Owensti]

I set

[@gregdurando3987]

Watching as Isaiah & Charlie try to sneak Jackson's pills to him wrapped in cheese and peanut butter, like a recalcitrant dog.

[@warehouselead]

Okay, I figured it out. Jackson cannot swallow pills because he died after taking contaminated Tylenol. Charlie went back in time and made the Tylenol contamination event happen earlier so that Jackson wouldn't die later to a similar event. Jackson does not remember that old timeline consciously, but he remembers in spirit and so struggles to swallow pills. Edit: Spelling

[@mybirdsareangry1]

Ok

[@happywandera]

You should start writing the prologue. Lol

[@danielbinoy]

I love this

[@iLinked]

That makes sense

[@Lobexx]

Dude this is it

[@scornlok9321]

Just a suggestion, but there was a similar crime to this in Japan. It was with vending machines and poisoned drinks. The person was never caught, and they were using some kind of pesticide. They seemed to be fine targeting men, but soon as the first woman died, the murderers stopped if i remember correctly. The whole thing was based on Japanese kindness, and i guess every once in a while, the vending machine could give you 2 drinks. So sometimes when someone got a second drink, they will leave it in the machine for a person in need. The only problem was that the drink was planted there by the murder, and the person who drank it would become incredibly ill then pass away. It would be cool if you guys tried doing a show on this because its not a story many people know of outside Japan.

[@NikyCROW]

Hey, I am a biomedical scientist in training and just one thing I would like to add: There's actually an antidote for Cyanide. Like Wendigoon said, Cyanide binds to iron in certain enzymes necessary for the cell to produce ATP energy. Treatments can be: Vitamin B12a ( Hydroxocobalamin ) because it binds to Cyanide reather quickly and creates a compound that can be excreted by the kidneys. This is the more modern method. OR a kit of amyl nitrite, sodium nitrate and sodium thiosulfate, ingesting these three things should create a rather large pool of ferric iron in your body for the cyanide to bind to instead of the enzymes. This method is older. Obviously you NEED to take the antidote REALLY quickly.

[@x-xPhobia]

I think more common household stuff that can help or cure poisoning should be known about. I will use this comment for a PSA. For ethylene glycol(antifreeze) make the person(usually kids now a days) have them drink 2-3 shots of 80 proof alcohol in orange juice. The alcohol stops the crystallization which ends up ripping through the digestive tract lol. Still go to a hospital lol but this knowledge probably saved my little cousins life when I was at my family ruin lol. It was harder to convince people to have kids drink vodka than them properly store their poisonous chemicals. Having activated charcoal laying around also helps. All of this is only to delay your death. Still call poison control. (also do not mix ammonia and bleach, or vinegar and bleach. You can die.

[@x-xPhobia]

VItamin k1 for rat poison as well. Naloxone for opioid overdoses, and whiile more rare to have around, flumezenil can undo benzo poisoning. Also rarely prescribed but can save a life is Cyproheptadine for serotonin syndrome. Also you can buy antidotes for tylenol and i believe ibuprofin as well.

[@NikyCROW]

@@x-xPhobia Also, if you're gonna buy and use rodenticides at home, please be aware of what kind of poison it is and have an antidote ready. Like you said, Vitamin K1 is an antidote for rat poison, but only for rat poisons that act by blocking the Vitamin K cycle (Bromadiolone, chlorophacinone, difethialone, diphacinone, brodifacoum, and warfarin). There are also rat poisons that act by Vitamin D overdose, there are the ones based on metal phosphides and a pletora of other options. My uncle had a rat problem he solved with poison, but his cat also got infected and only survived beacuse my uncle had the antidote at hand and administered it quickly before taking the animal to the vet.

[@joearledge]

WTF is a biomedic?

[@joearledge]

@@x-xPhobia You should probably keep your "PSA" to yourself. Routes and dosages matter... a lot, some of you're info is incorrect, and you chronically misspell chemicals and drugs. You sound like someone who read a pamphlet on this stuff once and memorized some of it. Putting half correct or incorrect info out there can be extremely dangerous.

[@xamnaut]

I like how Isaiah and Charlie are just sitting in their rooms with their comfy lighting and Jackson's been taken over by the Hiss!

[@TheFewAndOnly]

I'm glad I don't have the patience and pain tolerance to accidentally chew up 15 peach pits in one sitting.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

It's all fun and games until you remember peaches are basically just forbidden almonds in a yummy coat.

[@Yltimate_]

​@eyesofthecervino3366 anything is an untreated almond if you're brave/stupid enough

[@OutIaw06]

The craziest thing about botulism is that vultures are completely immune to it and even pee it out and pee on their feet to kill any bacteria living on them after consuming roadkill

[@jimmyrustler8983]

Vultures are so cool.

[@xlgapelsin6173]

Vultures are genuinely badass. Love those things

[@Nucleite]

"Straight-washing them to Dennis" is a legendary line.

[@BeanDaddyMandela]

Jackson: “Fun fact, Tylenol only came to Australia three years ago, so I’m still getting used to it.” I immediately imagined him chewing four Tylenol at once, spitting them out, and saying, “Ah, no. Too many at once; too much flavor. Let’s try two at once.”

[@alexandria4307]

During my first internship, I worked in a lab that had a sizable cylinder of HCN gas stored in it. They told me that if I smelled almonds, that it was too late.....

[@little_baby1663]

Horrifying

[@collinhernandez3219]

In my first lab I had to use chloroform and some other interesting chemicals for cleaning silicone wafers in a fume hood. They told me “if you smell them, you lose” 😂

[@Refog1]

Important note to Jackson, some medicines are dangerous or just plain ineffective if chewed/broken, as they are designed to disperse either in your bowels and not before or they only break up over time, dosing the medicine slowly either to make the effect last longer or to prevent too high of a dose in one burst

[@69hikikomori]

He probably already knows, most medications come with a label that tells you if you can or cannot or could always ask the doctor. But if it’s instant release and not extended release u be aight

[@Refog1]

@@69hikikomori Perhaps, but I don't know how many people know about such details, so I felt it worth a mention. Then again, the doctor prescribing the medicine will likely inform the patient, especially as difficulty swallowing pills is likely to come up. If nothing else it's a little fun fact :)

[@Chicagocanine]

Yeah some meds are “enteric coated” to prevent them from dissolving in the stomach. Some do this because they are meant to be released slowly and chewing can either make them less effective or give too high a dose at once. Some also are coated because they can cause stomach issues or ulcers if they dissolve too soon. Aspirin and other NSAIDs can cause this.

[@seanmcardle1486]

I was a child when this happened. They were not tablets at that time. They were gelatin capsules. The perpetrator opened and emptied the legitimate contents of the capsules, and then filled them with the cyanide mix. This particular crime and the string of deaths is why all food/medicine containers now have “safety seals”. 🌈 ⭐️

[@adamcuneo7189]

Damn, that's so fucked. That's why there needs to be capital punishment if the perpetrator(s) get caught.

[@goliathtigerfishes]

Do you remember if they still came in colors? It makes me wonder if the color from the cyanide was different from the Tylenol.

[@aliceiscalling]

​@@goliathtigerfishes Don't quote me on this, but I believe that some of the unused bottles showed signs of the cyanide capsules discoloring and falling apart due to the chemical disintegrating.

[@TomoEriGoto]

@@adamcuneo7189I’m pretty sure it’s a felony if you get caught tampering with food and medicine, especially like this. They crossed their Xs and dotted their Is after this happened.

[@adamcuneo7189]

@@TomoEriGoto Yeah, but they will never give the perpetrator capital punishment though, which is disgusting.

[@JaydenWise-m6b]

The random facts are helpful to be honest, you guys usually look up what I'm about to look up so it's a time saver.

[@captaincronchus]

One time my friend started to get sick and it kept get getting worse day by day. Headaches, vomiting, abdominal pain, and eventually went to the hospital when she went into sepsis. Her house has well water and it turns out her filters had stopped working and she had arsenic poisoning. It actually took a little for her to get sick because she had been drinking micro doses of arsenic all her life so her tolerance was pretty high. She's fine now lol.

[@uglydrewcifer]

it's pretty funny seeing wendi going from in his early videos saying his next vid is gonna be delayed due to him taking college classes, to him referring to himself as a dropout since his youtube career took off

[@durpshady7751]

"You pop the bottle open and dump a pair of pills into your palm." Coming from a poet/writer, Jackson's pen game is genuinely solid af

[@Mick-mi7zg]

Is it the alliteration? What makes this so great? But also, what makes one a writer/poet? Simply writing poems? Cuz in that case, I am a poet and I don’t think it’s that great of a sentence. Kinda reaching really

[@thatguyelias173]

@@Mick-mi7zghe’s just making a joke lol

[@Wolf_ManJack]

"You pop open a bottle - it's SCP98=D7, the Bottle That Pops. You reel in terror, realizing you've fallen for its game"

[@prestonhayes8285]

@@Mick-mi7zgI would say once you get sum published

[@valentinomp4]

@@Mick-mi7zg calm down bro its not that deep

[@malloryharack301]

I have never heard of another adult who struggles to swallow pills. I too struggle with this, and chew most my advils/tylenol. I get liquid stuff when I can, even if it means I pay more for a kids syrup. I've tried everything, and do the same thing as Jackson, my throat just wont let me swallow them. I end up in tears, gagging, trying everything to get a tab down. I've learned you can get custom made liquids of most prescription meds by asking for a script to be sent to a compound pharmacy. Make fun all you want, but this is the first time I've ever not felt alone in this. Thank you Jackson

[@amigodemoose]

My friend has this and he entirely wraps the pill in cheese eats a normal slice of cheese then swallows the pill cheese whole to trick his body idk if that helps but good luck

[@domehammer]

I crack open a can of soda then take a sip before putting pill in mouth and swallowing. Soda always works but if I don't have soda on hand I use water. Which water it's a gamble if it even works. If I taste the coating meant to induce vomiting on tylenol it's a 50/50 I don't vomit. It will go down fine but I'll be in tears gagging from it just because it touched my tongue. I cannot imagine chewing, I would probably die.

[@malloryharack301]

@@amigodemoose I will give it a go! (Also I had to giggle at this, because its exactly how I pill my dog too LOL XD But hey, if it works for your friend and my pooch, its worth a shot for me too!)

[@michaelcollins5819]

@@malloryharack301 try taking a half drink of water but not swallowing then putting the pills in then a couple big gulps to wash it all down. You won’t even feel the pills 🙃

[@mjsmith7395]

Jackson, try cutting the pills in half and putting them in yogurt or ice cream. I used to be exactly like you and thought I'd never be able to swallow pills. The yogurt/ice cream method helped me finally be able to get over the gag reflext, and eventually I could swallow with water

[@KobanFFX]

unfortunately this is one of the first things he tried as told on the Official podcast, it's pretty early in the line up I believe in the first year?

[@lanceman2243]

@@KobanFFX i had that same problem before, when i was a kid i cant swallow pills, just something about it feels wrong and get the gag reflex. So back then my parents used to open the pill then pour the medicine on a spoon with little water. i hated how it tasted but that was the only way i can take my medicines. Now thankfully i can swallow pills with water

[@lizbitsmith9706]

I put my dogs medicine in butter. She still won't take them with a glass of water.

[@BrandonHeat243]

I had this issue growing up. I thought I'd NEVER be able to take pills. But at like 17 I had an abscess tooth and I needed to take antibiotics. Pain is one heck of a motivation. I think I basically just kept chugging water with a pill in my mouth until I finally got it down. Once I got one pill down it got a lot easier though. These days I take giant multi vitamins with zero issue every day. I had a similar issue with getting contacts in. At first it seemed impossible but once I did it once it stopped being so hard. So I guess the moral is...never give up?

[@Chicagocanine]

I couldn’t swallow pills until I was like 16. I finally was able to teach myself how, by putting a pill on the tip of my tongue and pushing them to the back of my throat with my tongue tip, and then taking a big gulp of juice. I still have to eat something right after I take a pill, to push it down my throat. 😖

[@jacobatkins4966]

“I love cough syrup” “that’s interesting” 😂😂😂

[@adamcuneo7189]

I don't understand how anyone can like the taste of cough syrup.

[@jacobatkins4966]

@@adamcuneo7189 just confirms that Jackson is actually Epstein

[@Y0URM0MSH0USE-k6k]

If your drink straight drop you gotta pour a fygo wit ice then flip it ​@@adamcuneo7189

[@cassiustortelli8013]

Just got discharged from the hospital and told to take Tylenol if any pain occurs. I have now turned into a Wendigo.

[@spap6407]

Like the guy from red thread holy macrol

[@christopherkelly6833]

Damn you Epstein!!!

[@AlexK-sk4qb]

It's made of the people for the people.

[@Stalene100]

@@AlexK-sk4qbsoylent green?

[@AlexK-sk4qb]

@@Stalene100 soylent Tylenol with extra strength prions.

[@trevormoon5618]

I'm late to the party, but I used to not be able to take pills. This helped me: 1. Tilt head back 2. Fill mouth with water 3. Drop pill in and swallow the water You won't even feel the pill.

[@HEXY-on-Steam]

Lol exactly how I learned too

[@Zero.Origin]

I dont know how to explain it but, everytime a new red thread episode comes out, i curl my toes in pure happiness.

[@Welshman336]

Can I make your toes curl? No Tylenol? 👀

[@Klied]

​@@Welshman336g...gaaaaaaaaaaaaay

[@Highimdadtwo]

@@Welshman336 It’s Terminal Thirst, doctor; it may be too late to save him

[@Welshman336]

@@Highimdadtwo Watch my toes curl as you pull the plug

[@hughmongous7096]

I believe this is called autism

[@Mossy_Rock23]

Bitter Almonds are a separate variety of almond trees that isn't grown for food purposes. So you don't need to worry about getting bitter almonds mixed with your normal almonds. We had a discussion about this in my Agriculture class.

[@Welshman336]

@21:28 i love Isaiah says "you're not _that_ stupid" lol

[@Lincoln69420]

This has been out for ten minutes...how

[@Welshman336]

@@Lincoln69420 maybe your page needs to refresh? I'm at 35 minutes now. I've been watching it normally

[@Welshman336]

@@Lincoln69420 I think something is up with the time on this page. There is another comment I replied to, and there was a reply on there I KNOW was there, but it says I replied one minute before it. I even got a notification. And my reply is under theirs. Weird

[@faithj4855]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gopherbarney8707]

Proof that Charlie is a time traveller

[@erinjones9781]

I love that y’all talked about Benadryl and didn’t even discuss the hatman

[@Nucleite]

Just got done with the new CreepCast episode, and I was hoping there would be a new Red Thread. Yall didn't disappoint.

[@tylerisntasheep6854]

was a good episode too

[@69hikikomori]

I have the same problem as Jackson, after I almost choked to death my throat closes involuntarily every time. Not only that, but I also take very long amounts of time chewing food. It’s purely mental, obviously, but it is usually due to trauma or something to that effect. Even an EXTREMELY small tablet can cause it to close. Hopefully one day I’ll finally overcome it but most of the time I take them sublingually.

[@kaitlint3987]

The 20 year window between the 1960's to early 80's really traumatized the American public

[@Janny890]

Well the Late ‘80s had the Challenger explosion and Chernobyl.

[@kaitlint3987]

​@@Janny890true, but 2 decades of serial killers, child abductors, drug panics and poisoned medicine probably took a different kind of toll

[@adamcuneo7189]

​​@@kaitlint3987 The spread of communism as well.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

It wasn't that things were more prevalent then...it's that Technology advanced to get the information around more widely. That period is also the rise of National News and National TV.

[@DackelDelay]

@@kaitlint3987 what is it with US serial killers tho? like after the last time the red thread covered one i tried to look up global "serial killers per capita" rates and while i came up empty handed on the "per capita" part, the US does have SO MUCH MORE (like 10 times more) serial killers than any other nation...

[@snuggies8037]

My mom and dad were in Chicago in the 80s and everyone threw out their Tylenol thinking it was contaminated in the factory. Everyone was freaked out and Tylenol almost went out of business.

[@Chicagocanine]

My family lived/lives in Chicago, but I was a baby when this happened so I don’t remember.

[@savanahmaestas7663]

Super excited for Stalker! Best of luck Wendi!

[@LivinNexus]

🌞♾️🌛 I love youuu and I'm proud 🦚 of youuu!!! 💜💍💙

[@savanahmaestas7663]

@@LivinNexus I love you husband hehe 💙💍💜🦄

[@LivinNexus]

@@savanahmaestas7663 marry on meeee

[@Sproogy]

⁠​⁠@@LivinNexusOMG I love you my liberal 🇵🇲📎🔩🪗🦪

[@shiver8082]

@@savanahmaestas7663omg I love you guys 🥴😍🍞🫐🚘🚀📣🟥

[@photobombr]

We don't pump our own gas in Jersey because of the rampant stolen car scene. It's been crazy since the late 70s

[@Berryations]

Is that why??

[@kellyclarke6907]

I am old enough to remember all the drama this caused and the following husband who did it to kill his wife and look innocent. I am always delighted how you boys make these subjects fun to hear. Thank you boys.

[@yopizzawolf]

Wife killed her husband but close enough

[@jimmyrustler8983]

I can imagine that dude being like "Don't be silly honey, they checked all the Tylenol out!", Then starts checking his watch immediately after she takes it.

[@KC-tx3ko]

I couldn’t swallow pills for most my life either. Literally would swallow the water and be left with the dissolving pill on my tongue, no matter what I tried. People thought I wasn’t trying, but if you’ve tasted liquid iron supplements and dissolvable paracetamol, you know you’d far prefer to just take a pill - it’s foul.

[@domehammer]

That is why I hate using water when taking a pill. My go to is soda as never have had it leave a pill on my tongue after swallowing.

[@KC-tx3ko]

@@domehammer agreed. Though soda can sometimes react and bubble/foam with some medicines, so be mindful of that.

[@dankmemes9942]

Would love to see you guys cover the history of the website "Silk Road"

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

I would too...but only if they cover the time Ross Ulbricht got scammed and hired Hell's Angels to torture them to death...only to have it all be part of the original scam. It was all a Hoax, but Ross really paid to have it done making him guilty of attempted murder. That's why he should still be in prison.

[@justinlast2lastharder749]

Only if they cover that time Ross Ulbricht attempted to have two people unalived by Hell's Angels...it was all a scam, but he still tried to have it done.

[@Klied]

You just want a hard drugs tier list.

[@runestapleford6417]

​@@justinlast2lastharder749wasnt that like the reason it all went dowhill?

[@salsamike647]

Oooo that’s a good one

[@Faerghus.]

isaiah saying migs pre kigs is actually giving me heartburn. this is like my coworkers at my job saying "kaygee" for kg, and then i just pull up and say the whole thing: kilograms

[@theeternalspleen4329]

Can’t wait for Red Thread TV

[@OffSatan]

Addendum to the bitter almonds: they are not just "raw/untreated almonds" they are a different kind of almond from sweet almonds, which is the kind we actually consume. Also, when they say cyanide smells like almonds they mean bitter almonds, apparently cyanide doesn't smell like marzipan, which I always imagined based on descriptions of its smell.

[@LizzyGiggles]

Swallowing pills is a mental game. When I feel nauseas and know I’m going to struggle to get them down I like to imagine really tasty food and trick my brain into thinking we’re about to swallow yummy food! It has helped me a lot.

[@jessithy]

Charlie looks exactly like me when I'm super annoyed by my friend, but feel obligated to hang out with them.

[@dragonskizi7681]

Amateur Chemist here. Here is an over explanation ; it’s very regulated and you need a jewelers license for it to dissolve gold (one of the few things that can dissolve gold btw) and other precious metals . You CAN make it, but it’s dangerous and you need some know how to make it and not end up dead from the gaseous hydrogen cyanide. It kills by essentially chemical suffocation and also caustic and burns as well.

[@druidplayz2313]

My grandpa worked at a chem lab thing in the mid 70' and he was told "if you smell almonds, youre already dead"

[@chrisjvas]

⁠@@druidplayz2313pretty sure NileRed made a video about this and cyanide barely smells like almonds at all, think your grandpa was bs’ing u homie.

[@druidplayz2313]

@@chrisjvas idk he was told that by the manager ig, but he was pretty senile so it might be bs

[@xlgapelsin6173]

​@@chrisjvascyanide does smell like almonds but very very faintly so its not completely incorrect. If you work with cyanide and smell almonds you are in a bad spot lol

[@chrisjvas]

@@druidplayz2313 shit I thought I’d replied tbh, I shoulda watched the video before I said anything because it seems like it’s subjective, maybe like cilantro tasting like soap to some people, my bad.

[@iiiamsushiii]

i like that when Jackson and Charlie argue/disagree on smth they instantly ask Isaiah to settle it.

[@rivalmanjoume]

Jackson you are so real for this. I got over my inability to swallow pills eventually, but these past few weeks I've been having trouble again. Don't let that crown fall king

[@Ammi553]

I think of myself as lacking in empathy, I never feel sad about the death of someone who isn't a close relative of mine, and even then it's not more than just a few tears before I move on. But the story of the guy dying of cyanide poisoning after buying flowers for his wife and the rest of his family dying shortly after in the same way really got to me. I feel like I'll be thinking about him for a while, I'm sure he was a good father and a loving husband. I wish the best for him and his family, they didn't deserve it.

[@AllAroundSleeves]

I screamed when I saw the title these were always interesting to me and tbh these guys could talk about anything and I’d listen lol

[@PokemonEnjoyer1]

I was unaware of the untreated almonds thing until I listened to this episode on Spotify but it absolutely took me out because when I was a little kid we had an almond tree in our backyard and I would sometimes try and eat the almonds from it. they were really bitter and nothing like almonds from the shop so I always assumed I was just eating them too soon or something and had no idea until today that as a small child I was attempting to eat actual poison oh my god

[@jacksonmitchelle4728]

To practice swallowing pills, Try swallowing mini m&ms Once you get that down move to normal m&ms, after you can swallow the regular m&ms you can move up to peanut m&ms but you probably won’t need to be able to swallow items that large often.

[@michelejones4844]

I feep for you Jackson. I have chronic migraines after an accident and they would come so frequently and so strongly that it impacted my life alot. I actually get botox shots to help the migraines. They arent the most enjoyable but it had definitely helped my quality of life and ensured i could continue to work

[@westonmorgan1337]

Creep cast and red thread In the same day let's go

[@markittystuff]

It's topics like this that get me engaged and excited for each episode of the Red Thread. I love that Jackson will lead these topics and Charlie drops random facts he knows (I knew that fact about Bitter Almonds from NileRed). I also thought this case was a great one to cover cause the Tylenol Murders are a crazy part of our history that actually influenced it so in a way at least the losses suffered from this caused some change thats good. I think if it werent for these sad and unfortunate cases I think this would actually be a common method or something nowadays

[@Mick-mi7zg]

If not these incidents, then it would be another. No way we’d still be buying Tylenol in unsealed pop top bottles

[@Ganymedia9]

The method that worked for me was taking water into my mouth, and then putting the pill in my mouth to swallow it. It limits the amount of time I have to gag on the pill.

[@knox6382]

do u gag on the pill the second it goes in ur mouth like its not gonna jump down ur throat just keep it between ur front teeth

[@hailee1001]

@@knox6382it kinda just floats around and you swallow it all😭🫣sometimes i have to take another swig cos it hasn’t gone down, trick is to tilt your head back so it kinda falls down the back of your mouth

[@SlurMaster9000]

Charlie needs to invite Jackson on for an episode of blind taste-testing over-the-counter medicine.

[@k.j.sparks4037]

this guys the reason medicine bottles are so hard to open.

[@Chicagocanine]

Literally

[@BazookaTooth707]

They're the reason for the seal. Children are the reason for a "locked" cap.

[@pucebracelet2214]

Thanks Jackson for writing the episodes, Wendigoon for his knowlede of the subjects, and Charlie for going back in time to commit acts of violence so the podcast can have material

[@makahlavercetti3637]

Excellent timing boys, I desperately needed a new Red Theead episode ❤

[@photobombr]

I'm slow cooking ribs. So thanks for the time consumption. Love the content

[@jimmyrustler8983]

Mmmm, Tylenol ribs and Nyquil chicken.....

[@StoobinFroobert]

the cough syrup used in lean is made with Promethazine and Codeine, Codeine is an opiate. On the other hand OTC Cough Syrup is made with DXM which is an antitussive which in high doses also has a sedating effect all the way to "psychedelic" effects i.e. hallucinations. Jackson out here robo trippingXD

[@jimmyrustler8983]

There's also DPH which is used to have your own meet & greet with hatman in your house!

[@StoobinFroobert]

@@jimmyrustler8983 ahhhhh good ol' Diphenhydramine, I never got the whole scary vibes from higher doses that people talk about, just kinda felt like I was rotating in space. same goes for datura, most of the horror stories are either idiots who went wayyyyy too deep too fast or just completely made up.

[@xlgapelsin6173]

​@@jimmyrustler8983I love benadryl

[@daviddwyer6824]

Isaiah's accent explaining the etymology of "aerobics" is somehow so comical.

[@Thezombieclowns]

Lmao I relate to Jackson, i have some kind of mental block

[@MoozCow08]

Same, the only way I can is putting it in a cube of jello and I still gag

[@thenosieyartist6924]

I do a weird little ritual of 1. Putting the pill on my tounge 2. Take a drink of water 3. Take my hand and basically point behind me and count like " 1 *point* 2 point and 3" and swallow. 4. Repeat until you swallow or spit it out. Another thing is practice swallowing mini m&ms

[@sinandtonic2029]

I practiced with Skittles until I was able to take pills on my own

[@17admarquardt]

actually one of the best pods out there I wait every week for a new one of these to drop

[@ramiel5628]

To Jackson, you might try practicing pill swallowing with ice cream sprinkles! Four ice cream sprinkles are the size of one pill of most medications. ALSO Wendigoon you had it backwards, there's a class of medications that can cause the iris color to darken. They're prostaglandin analogs like Latanoprost and they're used to treat glaucoma.

[@Chicagocanine]

You can also get empty gelatin capsules… I used to use them for my cat who hated the taste of his liquid med.

[@DevinDavis-hp2cf]

44:03 44 mins without making a Star Wars reference. A new record

[@Tyr808]

54:53 As an Australian apple seed and peach pit vendor that does Botox injections as a side gig, I’m looking forward to meeting this Jackson Clark guy

[@AdamIshak01]

Isaiah’s laugh during Jackson admitting to being addicted to lean is like laughing gas. It’s so contagious and so hard not to laugh with Isaiah ~ I love it 😂

[@imthebestmayne122]

Not expecting the fellas to have a deep drug knowledge, but did Wendigoon just call Cough Syrup a Benzo? Lmao

[@etaoinshrdlu927]

Wendi is hugely overconfident about drugs and medication. The guys were hanging on his every word on The Official Podcast as he just made stuff up about street drugs. Dude is a Sunday School teacher; no one *expects* him to know street drugs. Like you said, it's one thing to guess wrong, it's another thing to act like you're an expert when you absolutely know you aren't.

[@imthebestmayne122]

@@etaoinshrdlu927 It's the podcast trap. Everyone is an expert about the current topic. I would bet most people listening probably just believe it too, haha.

[@LJGator808]

Yeah, and said it has Dextro in it. Also when he was on the official podcast he sternly said you cannot smoke heroin and started laughing like it was an absurd idea.

[@imthebestmayne122]

@@LJGator808 well Robitussin does have dextro, dextromethorphan. I would imagine that is what he meant, and how people get high (which robitussin is a psychedelic-like high, not like lean)

[@LJGator808]

@@imthebestmayne122 I was assuming since he was talking about what sounded to be prescription, "Lean" type of cough syrup, not off the shelf DXM.

[@spicyorangechicken]

The intro was so real, ive had chronic migraines all my life

[@cradleofgoth]

If your last name is Janus, you have to name your son Hugh.

[@MrZombieGuy2]

*Talking about Benadryl* Jackson: "It's a benzo, right?" Isaiah: "Jackson just admitted to doing lean on the show 😂" Oh, my sweet summer children.

[@will2316]

“Microdosing cyanide” is a phenomenal band name

[@alberttang8436]

Hey Jackson, I've also had an issue very similar to you with having trouble swallowing pills, especially when I was a kid. One thing that helped me was starting with swallowing small things. Start with a glass of water, and something small like a grain of rice, to maybe 1/4 of a vitamin gummy, to the small gel pills and work your way up from there. It'll take a week or two, but it should help with training your throat to not gag over small solid objects. Please upvote so he sees :)

[@Zackaria_sMax]

21:48 I was wondering why my aerobic teacher would call me and just breathe into the phone...😅

[@legendarychimp1143]

I don't know if this would be up your guys alley but it would be cool if you guys talked about the "Dagestani brick laying factory" where allegedly there is modern slavery going on.

[@DavidS.Pumpkin]

Oh no, i take Tylenol every day.

[@zacharycarrier2890]

These tablets were poisoned. I remember seeing it on Forensic Files, and that's why modern medicine has the silver film under the lid now!

[@realseal_6252]

That’s really bad for your liver

[@DavidS.Pumpkin]

@realseal_6252 yeah, I've heard that. But I don't want to take stronger pain medication.

[@Welshman336]

Yikes, that acetaminophen gonna get you before any poison does

[@ndoie]

ngl I think cyanide is the least of your worries😭

[@TheKampfschaf]

I don't know if it's sweet or frustrating or both that they don't know why a woman would'nt be taken serious in the 80s.

[@marcusmcbee3356]

"I like cough syrup" me too, man. Me too

[@x-xPhobia]

I now have a new anti depressant that mixes dxm with buproprion, a SNRI. The difference is actually substantial. (with the depression relief not the robot ripping lol haven't done that in years) maybe look into it. (it's an actual pill prescribed not me playing bathroom pharmacy to be clear lol)

[@marcusmcbee3356]

@@x-xPhobia thanks for the info. I’ll ask my psychiatrist about it when I get one

[@sisterfister7891]

_I don't see this often but, Jackson, I really like the writing in the beginning of every episode. Please keep doing it- or if you're burned out, don't haha._

[@justblaze4707]

The only intro that could make my heart pump more and my nails be bitten with more tenacity is if it was a pov of using contact lenses 😳😱

[@mybirdsareangry1]

Ok

[@Berryations]

Thank you for talking about all the victims. We hear about this story but never really hear about who the victims were, all so sad and they’ve never gotten justice!

[@Rubyofthestars]

Don’t feel bad Jackson, lots of people have trouble swallowing pills, and it’s not something you can understand unless you experience it yourself. It’s not as simple as just getting over it and not being a baby 🙄 I couldn’t swallow pills for most of my life but I’ve learned how to do it over the last few years because I have to take pills every day, and it’s not really an issue anymore. Maybe find some sort of vitamin that you’re suppose to swallow that you can take every day and it might help you get used to it? I promise it’s possible 💜

[@gh0stsnaps]

man i couldn’t take pills for a long time either. tried everything like taking it with apple sauce. then i was prescribed liquid prozac and good lord is that stuff nasty. after that i learned how to swallow pills.

[@Rubyofthestars]

@@gh0stsnaps yeah liquid medicine is nasty 😆

[@Perepeteia]

This gives me hope😂😂For me, it's a relatively new thing, I used to swallow both capsules and tablets without a problem, and it took me choking on a tablet 1 time almost a year ago to be unable to swallow specifically tablets from then on😂😂 I know choking on sth once shouldn't be a big deal but it did somehow affect me and it's funny cuz so far I could "get over it" only for a brief moment once when during one of my many attempts my brain decided to not remind me of that one incident. Thankfully, there are capsule options for the stuff I have to take

[@FoxheimStudios]

I’m Wendigooning to Red Thread rn.

[@James-jjunior]

@theofficialytchannel @1:37:44 I think the reason behind calling serial killers and assassins by their full names is because some of them have very common names and it kind of distinguishes them from the public. John Booth, Lee Oswald, John Gacy, James Lewis, and James Ray are all names that hundreds of people could've had during the same time period

[@FreizeitMinuteman]

Thanks for all the episodes so far. If i may suggest a few weird cold cases from germany for other viewers and truecrime-junkies like me: - The YOGTZE case - A food engineer scribbles down weird notes, vanishes from his home and is found dead later on. - The case of Tristan Brübach where a boy/young teenager is found dead and heavily disfigured near a small water/sewage system. - The case of the Isdal-Woman: While it is a norwegian case, it involves the death of a woman, who might have been a german spy in the cold war. All 3 cases are pretty interesting. Are there some cases that are well known in your country and you can recommend reading about?

[@rileylittleraven]

I have chronic health issues and am very familiar with taking meds. I feel for Jackson because I can't take them with water. As long as I like the juice, soda, etc I'm taking them with, I'm good. But dude...chewing pills that you aren't meant to isn't great. Pill splitters can chop them into *very* small pieces.

[@TkOn2]

We need an episode on the pyramids

[@CharlotteWinslow]

My favourite trio! God bless.

[@ElphabaWasFramed]

I feel your frustration, Jackson. I have the same problem. It is absolutely a mental block, and I have had it since Jr High.

[@AVxDV]

This reminds me of those stories of people putting things in Halloween candy

[@kaitlint3987]

Part of me believes this is one of the things that lead to those kinds of stories being believed and retold everywhere

[@Perepeteia]

​@kaitlint3987 yeah, and the case of Ronald Clark O'Bryan "helped" as well.

[@dallas4855]

No way the Official Boys started a podcast with the world's greatest Jeff Goldblum impersonator.

[@AJ-hz3tx]

Oh Lord, I hope Jackson never gets prescribed an extended relief medication 😮

[@themeadman]

That's what I was thinking. That would be very bad.

[@josieschultz4241]

watching this as a chicagolander was fun. i love when i've been places people talk about

[@edwinlang5233]

Who up Redding their thread right now

[@captainsmileyface60]

Saturdays are becoming my favorite days between CreepCast, Red Thread, and the official podcast. So much good content for after work