The ULTIMATE Druhkari Reaper's Wager Tier List-"Hellions and Grotesques Are Overpowered?!"

[@wearekarnage881]

I'm never leaving home without my court unit. The unit is such a dual threat. Can threaten most units in shooting as well as im melee, as well as being one of the more annoying threats for your opponent to answer due to fights first and also -1 to wound. I haven't really even thought of using it with a tantalus, in reapers wager I'm actually giving the archon the deep strike enhancement and deep striking the entire court +kabs together

[@Hodgymbob]

Same, court is always coming

[@ProxyHammer1]

Hmmm interesting! I’ll have to give the court more of a chance!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Consider my mind changed!

[@MrDUCKMAN5555]

I really don't see its value. Like 95 points for a court 85 for a archon and 110 for kab so 295 points for a unit that has about maybe 6 guns worth shooting then a crap ton of 0 ap splinter fire then like half of their melee attacks is 0 ap too. Like the 11 troupe+troupe master is 235 points has 5 guns worth shooting weapons with ap and is crazy good in melee with a 4++ on top.

[@isydust3164]

​@@MrDUCKMAN5555 Cort have fighti firts, they have many special weapons (which doent require to be in 3 inchers), they have more oc, - 1 to wound and full rerolls on all weapons with letals if you give them pain tokens. In my inari game they came from resorves, killed 20 orces with characters, and in the opponents turn killed 10 stormbois with ff. They are god and totally worth it.

[@marcusramirez8181]

Can't wait to see the ynnari list! Been brainstroming some lists, but would be great to see some tips. Is wraithguard out of a deepstrike waveserpent a good idea?

[@ProxyHammer1]

I’m dubious of the wraithguard deepstrike just because it’s hard to fit all the models and also be outside of 6”

[@daroth7127]

feels like drukhari just gained a whole ton of units, so nice to be able to use stratagems on them

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely agree there! Quins hit pretty hard too!

[@kcassadywsc]

My IG friend and I found that quins filled out the mounted/monster punch that drukhari are often missing.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@kcassadywsc Ya dev wounds are somthing they were missing outside of haywire

[@kcassadywsc]

@ lol. I mean, sure, we’ve always had mandrakes… and I have made the mistake on so many battles of thinking they had viable shooting and could survive. #wrong

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@kcassadywsc Haha ya they die on turn 1/2 for me always

[@nativeExarch]

As someone who fell in love with Harlequins initially, and there what I wanted to play, I seriously might consider looking into this, I might be able to live out my dream of having a quin heavy army after all.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely! Although there will be a Quin detachment in the codex that will be available

[@kcassadywsc]

I also love RW for most of the reasons you’ve mentioned- the shear flexibility of the detachment rule, enhancements, and stratagems makes RW a ‘take any unit and try it’ option. Dissenting opinion- I’ve fielded urien with this detachment twice - he makes the talos and cronos really thick, and can hide pretty well to be annoying. Plus, with his 4++/5+++, he’s actually been really durable. Note: I *do* run him in a unit of wracks (who also can come back, basically giving him 5 ablative wounds). I love the tiering here just due to the aforementioned flexibility of RW. Yay witches, and super yay succubus- making the cheap units valuable!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Couldn’t agree more with the RW! I’ll have to give Urien another chance honestly maybe I’m just completely using him wrong!

[@lukerobinson5070]

Agreed in my latest games hellions and voidweaver were amazing.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Such great units in this detachment!

[@kcassadywsc]

Note on Hellions- I’ve been contemplating them for a bit, and I loved your analysis of them. They feel like a slightly more expensive beast master style unit (I’m tempted to try one ten-man unit for 20 wounds at t4 for a massed lethal charge)

[@ProxyHammer1]

Honestly that’s what I’m going to start doing it’s so fun!

[@damiancraigs3936]

Right as I was looking around for ideas. Thanks for the list!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Of course my friend my pleasure!! 😊

[@hyweldda5119]

I once play with two big troupes on Reaper's wager. One with infiltration on troupe master and other with webway walker on Shadowseer for rapid ingress. Its actually pretty fun to have so many aggressive harlequins on board

[@ProxyHammer1]

That’s awesome! 😎 turn 1 charges for all!

[@Hanke86]

Beastmaster can't use Reapers Cowl as its for Harlequins only. Can use the other 3 Enhancements though

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ahhh ok tyvm for the correction! Would be so OP lol 😂

[@jfm.d5180]

This is an excellent tier list

[@ProxyHammer1]

My pleasure 😊🙏

[@jfm.d5180]

I was wrong. I WAS WRONG. I said Reapers was just okay. It might not be game breaking but it’s INCREDIBLY strong in play AND so much fun to play

[@ProxyHammer1]

It’s awesome isn’t it? 😎😉🔥 it’s all I’ve been wanting to play lately lol 😆

[@alexwallace5639]

Tbf i also really really rate Void Weavers. I run two very happily with prism cannons. With the re-rolls theyre quite reliable, for exanple removing small 3/4 man squars to switch the wager.

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@alexwallace5639 Exactly my thoughts! The rerolls make them cost effective because they throw out so many attacks

[@Ohiogoats816]

you can only put the thing with infiltrate and stealth on harlequins

[@ProxyHammer1]

Good to know! Ya I realized that after the video and was like… 😑

[@Ohiogoats816]

@@ProxyHammer1 is it still S tier though, cuz it is an S tier unit in the other detatchments

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@Ohiogoats816 Ya its still S tier

[@isydust3164]

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + FACTION KEYWORD: Aeldari - Drukhari + DETACHMENT: + TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts + + WARLORD: Char3: Archon + ENHANCEMENT: Conductor of Torment (on Char1: Archon) & Reaper's Cowl (on Char4: Troupe Master) + NUMBER OF UNITS: 21 + SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (4x2) - Assassination: 7 Characters +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Char1: 1x Drazhar (85 pts): The Executioner's demiklaives Char2: 1x Solitaire (115 pts): Solitaire Weapons Char3: 1x Archon (105 pts): Warlord, Huskblade, Blast Pistol Enhancement: Conductor of Torment (+20 pts) Char4: 7x Beastmaster (120 pts) • 1x Beastmaster: Agoniser, Splinter pods • 1x Clawed Fiend: Clawed Fiend fists • 2x Khymerae: 2 with Khymerae talons • 3x Razorwing Flock: 3 with Razorwing feathers Char5: 1x Death Jester (90 pts): Jester's Blade, Shrieker Cannon Char6: 1x Troupe Master (80 pts): Harlequin's Special Weapon, Shuriken Pistol Enhancement: Reaper's Cowl (+25 pts) Char7: 1x Troupe Master (55 pts): Harlequin's Special Weapon, Shuriken Pistol 10x Kabalite Warriors (110 pts) • 9x Kabalite Warrior: 9 with Close Combat Weapon, Splinter rifle • 1x Sybarite: Close Combat Weapon, Splinter Rifle 4x Court of the Archon (95 pts) • 1x Lhamaean: Shaimeshi Blade • 1x Medusae: Close combat weapon, Eyeburst • 1x Sslyth: Shardcarbine, Splinter pistol, Sslyth battle-blade • 1x Ur-ghul: Ur-ghul Talons 5x Incubi (85 pts) • 4x Incubi: 4 with Klaive • 1x Klaivex: Demiklaves 5x Mandrakes (70 pts) • 4x Mandrake: 4 with Baleblast, Glimmersteel Blade • 1x Nightfiend: Baleblast, Glimmersteel Blade 5x Mandrakes (70 pts) • 4x Mandrake: 4 with Baleblast, Glimmersteel Blade • 1x Nightfiend: Baleblast, Glimmersteel Blade 5x Scourges (130 pts) • 4x Scourge with Heavy Weapon: 4 with Close combat weapon, Shardcarbine • 1x Solarite: Close combat weapon, Shardcarbine 5x Scourges (130 pts) • 4x Scourge with Heavy Weapon: 4 with Close combat weapon, Shardcarbine • 1x Solarite: Close combat weapon, Shardcarbine 11x Troupe (165 pts) • 1x Lead Player: Harlequin's Blade, Shuriken Pistol • 10x Player: 10 with Harlequin's Blade, Shuriken Pistol 5x Troupe (75 pts) • 1x Lead Player: Harlequin's Blade, Shuriken Pistol • 4x Player: 4 with Harlequin's Blade, Shuriken Pistol 2x Skyweavers (105 pts): 2 with Close Combat Weapon, Shuriken Cannon, Star Bolas 1x Cronos (50 pts): Spirit Syphon, Spirit-leech Tentacles 1x Voidweaver (115 pts): Close Combat Weapon, 2x Shuriken Cannon, Voidweaver Haywire Cannon 1x Starweaver (80 pts): Close Combat Weapon, 2x Shuriken Cannon 1x Venom (70 pts): Bladevanes, Splinter Cannon, Twin Splinter Rifle My own list for tormanets. Now looking the video to see, what i got right)

[@ProxyHammer1]

@@isydust3164 looks good man! Solid list imho!

[@jfm.d5180]

I think you are sleeping on Urien. When paired with Talos he keeps this very durable unit still alive

[@ProxyHammer1]

Ya I definitely am missing something with him because he usually just does nothing for me lol 😂

[@Hodgymbob]

I think you need to smash some games with the court as they are not fun, they are low key the best thing in the index, they might be better in skysplinter. You dont use the tantalus you just use a raider

[@ProxyHammer1]

Honestly you are probably right!

[@Hodgymbob]

I have killed 2 ctan in a turn with them haha lethal hits with full archon rerolls. Skysplinter sustained 2 for shooting and get back in the raider made them even better. I'm still trying to work out their place in this detachment but a solid unit to help flip before my solitaire fights first

[@Grishnag85]

Before i get to the shadowseer i am going to predict that she will be D tier because you can do what she does for cheaper in this detachment with an enhancement and a strategem

[@Grishnag85]

I was not expecting a B tier at all

[@ProxyHammer1]

B tier because with this detachment they can actually hit pretty hard. Which is the main issue I have with her in aeldari tbh they have no punch. Troupe master is always better tho

[@THWikiPodcast]

Solitaire - S rank on my absolute jobber tier list (right beside Saint Celestine). Never, EVER comes through for me no matter how trivial the assignment. Everyone has to have a unit that consistently under performs for them... right?

[@ProxyHammer1]

Absolutely! Totally understand that!

[@swordxart1443]

the only bad thing for helions imo is they are mounted and not infantry, so they cant move through walls and stuff, which sucks.

[@maxmagnus377]

Agreed, but anything that already has lethals or sustains and can get the other can punch so far above its weight class that they are worth it. Did the math on them back on Proxy's previous video: vs Marine equivalents Hellions trade phenomenally, and they'll even kill more points worth of Terminators than what they cost. On top of that they're quick and good at secondaries.

[@ProxyHammer1]

Yes true but with advance shoot and charge it makes up for it a bit!

[@ProxyHammer1]

Yep absolutely! They hit like a truck for the points!

[@devotedtodestruction]

Literally the worst thing about my jetbike army. I really hope GW gives my windriders something to adjust their movement. 😈

[@fishe183]

I ran 10 yesterday. Good rapid threat, they cleared a 6 man defkopta unit in 1 activation through the wah (with lethals).

[@MrDUCKMAN5555]

I think the detachments rules is way too luck depend. Because if you failed to kill a unit your whole order attack falls apart and maybe you have units not getting the rules now.

[@ProxyHammer1]

That could be said of warhammer in general, the key is to make sure you have units in your army that don’t rely on the detachment bonus

[@runeh3022]

Did anyone catch what they changed in the Drukhari Index during x-mas? They did update that document as well alongside the Reaver's Wager, but I'm not sure what they did tbh.

[@ProxyHammer1]

They changed some points but that’s about it

[@runeh3022]

@@ProxyHammer1 But that was in the Munitorium Feild Manual thing. They must have done something to the index iteslf as they did update that file alongside the Reaver's Wager release. 😕

[@thewartheoryguild]

@@runeh3022 they always update the indexes even with no changes. Every army was updated as you can see

[@devotedtodestruction]

Deep strike your ravagers bro. I literally make my points back EVERY TIME.

[@ProxyHammer1]

I’ve done this in Skysplinter and honestly the lances just seem to whiff for me

[@devotedtodestruction]

@ now that you mention it, my experience comes from a Ynarri build and I would abuse the hell out of the Aeldari Detachments free re roll.