This was an excellent demonstration. I record my kit constantly and I struggle with overhead positions. I have a stereo bar, so I'll give the ORTF a shot. Btw, I am guessing English is not your first language, so respectfully, I'll say that in English, you "look at" something; however, you "listen to" something. These are confusing areas of English, but a lot of people won't tell you these things. Thanks very much for sharing your expertise.
@ConstantineMusicComposer Жыл бұрын
You have guessed correctly, haha. Thanks for telling me. Also, ORTF is an incredible technique. You should definitely try it. It might work in your recording environment. If not, you have to experiment with various techniques positions, and heights. Happy recordings!
@musicbydavidyoungs Жыл бұрын
Great video man, no waffle, no promo, just well explained and easy comparison - thanks!
@ConstantineMusicComposer Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much David!
@pedroahets3 жыл бұрын
That room sounds fantastic!!!!!! Amazing video!!! Thanks!!!!!
@ConstantineMusicComposer3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@Danilo-dx4yw2 күн бұрын
Exactly ... I was blown away with how high overheads sound! .... Very well balanced ...
@stoobieman2 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks for posting
@BillRayDrums2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for the in-depth explanations! I like it that you gave the "extreme height" demo, as a sort of "control sample" for the XY, ORTF and Spaced Pair demos.
@ConstantineMusicComposer2 жыл бұрын
Hi Bill! Thanks so much for watching. Yeah, whenever I watched overhead vids, I always thought that I wanted to listen to more positions and heights but they never showed that. So I did it myself! Haha. Keep grooving!
@electriceyeswatching44155 ай бұрын
Excellent to the point demonstration.
@hip-hoprapstorage44404 ай бұрын
Where does your pfp comes from ?
@nikitaptashko34303 ай бұрын
thank you, a lot of combinations, very informative
@ConstantineMusicComposer3 ай бұрын
You are very welcome!
@napkinshoplifta5163 Жыл бұрын
ortf close over the snare was my favorite followed by recorder man at 2 1/2 sticks. Interesting to think about whether I just prefer the sound of ortf in general or if it is just working really well in your space
@ConstantineMusicComposer Жыл бұрын
First of all, really good username. Second, I do love ortf. It's my favorite for most things and the one that I try the first! Also, the recording environment was pretty good so most of these would work nicely there.
@shanesplanetshane3795 Жыл бұрын
ORTF is my goto. I have a sprawling rack kit with lotsa of cymbals and toms. A pair of LDC tube mics in cardoid/ortf above the snare, works well for me. Once I got the right overhead mics and preamp for them, my tom mics are almost a mere formality. I'm getting good results with 40" over snare ortf (angled with toms and cymbals), a beta kick, a top/bottom I-5 snare set, a near room ribbon behind the kit and a near room LDC about 120' (3to1 of overhead distance) front center kick at chest high, aimed forwards. Tbh, a great natural sound can be had with just 2 overheads and a kick. Spaced pair is just REALLY wide sometimes and doesnt collapse as well. I use okatava mk12's on rack toms and a couple mondo mics for underside floor toms.
@drewsleyy38362 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this!! XY "low" sounded pretty good, but if you're going for natural sounding wideness + retaining punchiness, my favorite had to be medium ORTF over the snare (5:49). Will have to try that!
@ConstantineMusicComposer2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome. And yes, agreed! I love ORTF!
@funnyminky Жыл бұрын
The Glyn Johns setup certainly achieves a full and balanced sound of the kit, I also liked the stereo pair high up - this achieved a good stereo sound with a nice room sound
@ConstantineMusicComposer Жыл бұрын
People tend to sleep on the minimal mic techniques but they forget that legendary songs like 'When the levee breaks' were recorded like that. Obviously, there are many other factors contributing to the result, but it goes a long way to show what you can achieve.
@CarloDaniel007 Жыл бұрын
Spaced pair for the win! Thank you can’t wait to use this on my next session. Great info.
@ConstantineMusicComposer Жыл бұрын
You are very welcome! Yes, if you want a lot of separation, spaced pair is what you need! Best of luck and have fun with your experimentations at your next session.
@jonhattanrai3 жыл бұрын
Very nice! This is great, well done, and well explained. This should have more views.
@ConstantineMusicComposer3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Oh well, what can you do? At least I got a comment!
ORTF close to snare is easily the nicest sound. Bright, wide, tonal, and controlled. Spaced Pair sounds good too, a little bland though. XY is my least favorite.
@ConstantineMusicComposer Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I love ORTF too. Possibly my favorite stereo technique in general! Spaced pair works really well on certain applications. I'll always give it a go if I think it will work.
@okaight7248 Жыл бұрын
amazing video, thanks for all your time and research! The spaced pair pointed towards the snare was super interesting. It's obvious but the snare was so much louder in the OH, would be great if you are limited to a few mics. I think the original AB stereo pair was the best IMO for my needs. The pointed towards snare one while awesome wouldn't really work for what I do, and the closer one starts to pick up details on the cymbals that aren't particularly nice sounding, I noticed especially on the ride being super ringy.
@ConstantineMusicComposer Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. I think that you have absolutely grasped the concept! As I mentioned at the beginning of the video, one technique does not work every time. You have to find what works for you, your particular set-up, recording environment, equipment and project! Well done!
@GreatKukuruzo2 жыл бұрын
Hit 100 like. Great job, many thanks for the video. I'm going to record our drummer while I don't know much about drums world as I'm a guitarist. Your clarification makes it much easier to understand
@ConstantineMusicComposer2 жыл бұрын
Lucky number! Thanks! Best of luck with your recording.
@pegtownmanproductions910610 ай бұрын
Great video. Very informative. I really liked the stereo image of ORTF. Question with the first spaced pair facing down are they directly over specific parts of the kit?
@ConstantineMusicComposer10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much. Not above anything specific, but since you don't want an insane distance between the mics (because it'll sound too wide), you will be above the cymbals anyway. And that's what you want because most of the sound of the cymbals will come from your overheads. Make sure the cymbals are not overpowering/covering the rest of the kit though. Play with the distance and make sure your mics are equal distance from whatever you choose (snare or kick).
@firstname30789 ай бұрын
I know this video is old, but could you please state what model those mic stands are? I am assuming they are also K&M like your lower stands? Great video! Thanks.
@ConstantineMusicComposer9 ай бұрын
Old? It's only three years old! Yes, everything in the video is K&M.
@fearthetruthband9 ай бұрын
Hello, when positioning the XY overhead mics over the snare drum, do they have to be directly over the center of the snare drum? Or can they be somewhere over the snare drum and the first rack tom (so the mics are not directly over the center of the snare drum)? Thanks!
@ConstantineMusicComposer9 ай бұрын
Hello! It's fine, you can position them to where you described too.
@DYK-Music3 жыл бұрын
Excellent assessment, thx
@ConstantineMusicComposer3 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated. Thanks
@fearthetruthband9 ай бұрын
When positioning the overhead mics in xy over the snare drum, do they need to be directly over the center of the snare drum? Or can they be positioned somewhere between the snare drum and first rack tom (so the mics are not positioned directly over center of the snare drum)? Thanks!
@bobalbin3659Ай бұрын
Thank you.
@ConstantineMusicComposerАй бұрын
You are very welcome 🙂
@hmstack6049 Жыл бұрын
An outstanding job! Straight to the point! Thanks a lot!
@LowCMusiq3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very helpful
@gabevan52277 ай бұрын
Do you always use the pads on your KM84s for overheads?
@ConstantineMusicComposer7 ай бұрын
Not really. It depends on the genre and the player. I only use them if I have to.
@Dwolfmusic3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t positioning the ORTF setup with kick and snare in the centre be better than having the kick or snare not centered in the stereo image?
@ConstantineMusicComposer3 жыл бұрын
Hi Dirk. If I understand correctly, you mean to place the mics in a way that will be in the middle of the snare and kick? Equal distance from both? If that is what you mean, placing the OH in a way that both the kick and the snare are in the center, that would result into one mic being closer to the snare and one being closer to the kick. That would 100% give you phase issues and a weaker sound; certainly not the best one you could have recorded. Personally, I always prefer centering the snare because of the way that I treat the overheads. I roll off a bit of the low end on my overheads (I don’t like how the room/Reverb sounds in the low frequency) and that results into not having to worry about phase issues with the kick. But I leave enough of the low end to still have a bit of the beater slap sound. By centering the snare, I make sure I don’t run into phase issues with that and the snare is already where I want it in the stereo field. And then I do most of the treatment in the mix for the kick. Please take into consideration that this is simply what I do and I don’t claim that this is the only way of going about it. Centering the kick is a common practice and that is the reason why I wanted to demonstrate all possible scenarios. Even the exaggerated height positions, it’s good to know what they sound like. Hope that helps.
@sebguyader2 жыл бұрын
You could try rotating the XY or ortf mics diagonally, so that their axis is perpendicular to the snare/kick axis, this way even in the center both capsules will be at the same distance relative to both kick and snare.