The Ultimate EV Debate: PHEV vs BEV | with Philippa Forrester | 4K

[@mikelodge1957]

Wow Ped, excellent video, great to see Phillippa back, your dynamic with her is superb, I think you'd make a brilliant duo together for more videos 👍

[@PetrolPed]

Great suggestion!

[@derekshields7784]

Great video! We have wholly embraced the ev as we have 3 of them, the oldest of which is an 8 year old Zoe which my son runs as a daily driver. It has 60k miles on the clock and still has a similar range to when it was new (75-85 miles - it has a small battery) and is perfect for his needs, just need in a top up every couple of night. With a cheap rate overnight tariff, my car (a Skoda enyaq 60) would cost less than £4 to charge fully, giving 200 miles range.

[@PrinceBarin77]

I drive an M5 and a die-hard petrol fan but I am increasingly convinced by electric. Strikes me that PHEV or EV is all about personal needs. Having started with the view that PHEV is the answer, when I consider how few long journeys we take, the EV works 99% of the time. And, as a company car, it works out as decent value for money (in a world where cars seems bonkers expensive to me). Still a lot of compromises in either PHEV or EV but, as the tech and implementation gets better (it’s coming fast), EV looks really good.

[@moo4rich]

Your views are where mine were 4yrs ago with PHEV went EV and love it. I was driving a Maserati so love cars and before a Subaru flat 6. Going EV has been the best, after a few months of missing the sound I find find the driving rewards are even better. Currently in an I-Pace considering going E-tron GT next.

[@tonyjakotv]

Good Morning, I've owned my KIA Niro EV for 9 months. I can get 250 miles/400 km's a charge any day... I'm a big EV fan. When I first purchased my EV I would charge to 100% every night. I am now more relaxed and only charge to either 80 or 90% because I now know that I don't need to panic, range anxiety has completely left... I can never see myself ever going back to anything else as a daily...

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Coming up to 5 years of e-Niro ownership here (we got them in France a bit before you did in the UK). After 95,000 km I am seeing no range loss at all, typically 530 km in summer on local journeys, 350 km worst case fast mid winter run from South West France where we live to Frankfurt...when a grandchild is born you just have to go!

[@mike-M0MSN]

Having now owned both, I can say that I got better miles per gallon from my i40 than my Seat FR PHEV. Also the cost of these electric cars is beyond most peoples pocket. £44K....

[@Gaz494]

PHEVs are often the same price or more than EVs. That sportage is around 43k, a NiroEV 3 is 39k. Can get a Mach E for around the same price as a Kuga PHEV specced to match.

[@jimcabezola3051]

I'd have a PHEV if I lived on a continent or in the British Isles. Over here, though, a BEV is more than enough. I've enjoyed all your collabourations, and this one is quite thought-provoking. Aloha

[@uTPH1]

Bought a used Prius PHEV nearly 2 years ago when EVs were still very expensive and with small range/not always fast charge. My daily drive is usually less than 20 miles so the Prius PHEV copes with this most days (20-28 miles per charge though winter is a problem when it's more like 15-20 miles). From time to rime I drive to SW Wales - a desert for charging points when the Hybrid side really comes into its own. Over the whole time I've averaged about 170mpg (total miles/all the petrol I've bought). On EV made I've charged mostly from solar so £0 per mile. On hybrid it's about 67-75mpg so way cheaper than the lovely Honda CRV I traded in. A win all round for my driving needs. In the future - well if used EVs with decent range are available that might be attractive because I've fallen in love with EV driving.

[@dwightengwall8003]

I have a Kia Niro EV and we just love it. I've calculated it. Saves us about $1,000 for every 10,000 mi we drive. I have now added a 10 kW solar array on my roof to even save more

[@Robert-cu9bm]

So it'll take at least 70k miles before the premium is paid off, only then the savings will start. Same with the solar, there's no "saving" money until the panels are paid. Only when the costs are paid for the savings come.

[@AndySnap]

With apologies to the Monkees...'Hey hey we're the Hendys, and we're just Hendying around...' A very enjoyable co-lab', always lovely to see Philippa, and good to get two views on the same cars. More please...

[@mikeroz6549]

Phillipa mentioned that the performance is extraordinary. As a proper petrolhead who's now grown a bit more mature dare I say that basic shopping car EVs are actually too quick. Potentially could get less experienced drivers into a whole heap of trouble, not helped by the fact that when they do realise they are potentially in trouble they then have to contend with slowing something down that is 500kgs heavier than a conventional vehicle. If on the other hand EV manufacturers produced intelligent vehicles that sensibly limited the power delivery and speed then maybe they could eke out a little more useful range and/or reduce the weight by having smaller lighter drivetrain components, brake discs battery packs etc. Who after all needs a Kia that is capable of 0-60 in 4 seconds. I find that in a 75bhp VW UP if I drive it at pace I can dart away from traffic lights and round roundabouts and add distance on 90% of other road users. Then when I join a dual-carriageway or motorway I settle down to a sensible speed put my cruise control on and the people who were just dithering two minutes ago go past me at 80mph. I often wonder if they had an incident at speed if they would have the wherewithal to know what to do. So back to my original point do 80% of EVs need to be that quick?

[@charliebutton5731]

I think that’s the party piece of BEVs to draw in the sceptics and die hard petrol heads. Almost super car acceleration without the running costs

[@tyrrelli4733]

Pete, the Qashqai e-Power has the full regeneration braking experience. It’s got an e-pedal mode and a B mode that slow the car down significantly when you lift off.

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@garethwalker3446]

Well P P, you keep saying that the plug in ev is the best of both worlds, but to me it’s the worst of both worlds. When running on battery you are dragging around a heavy lump of engine, and conversely when using the engine you have the additional weight of battery and electric motor. As someone who has worked with vehicles most of my working life this feels completely wrong. I have owned an EV since April this year and am very happy with it. It’s the 64kw battery Kona and with easily over 250 miles available I have no range anxiety. Someone made the comment that their phev suits their commuting needs, well an EV would do the same thing more efficiently. An interesting video which asks as many questions as it answers. Many thanks.

[@paultaylor1820]

How will an EV be more efficient on battery than a PHEV? The larger battery of an EV probably outweighs a small petrol engine. PHEV is as economical as an EV day to day and far more economical on a long run. No need for planned journeys, unnecessary stops, longer journey times and range anxiety.

[@DrBlack1987]

If you do 3- miles a day with a range of 300 miles you are ‘dragging’ around 90% of your battery! That’s probably heavier than a petrol engine

[@grandprix1337]

A great debate. The National Grid in the UK would need an additional 100TWh to support full EV adoption (not that that will ever happen). We are going to achieve that target with solar and wind farms apparently.

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

Then it's kind of strange that we're going to solve that with PHEVs that we drive electric as much as possible (I hear that from every PHEV owner anyway) but which charge much slower and thus put a more structural strain on the grid, and are much more inefficient with power. So much more energy use and a structural constant load on the grid is going to solve the grid problems?

[@paultaylor1820]

I disagree with most of what you have written, in particular the bit about being much more inefficient with power, please explain.

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

@@paultaylor1820 That energy efficient is quite easy to compare. 1 litre of petrol is about 10 kWh. So a car that needs 6 litres to drive 100 km uses 60 kWh, while an electric car uses on average 20 kWh. This is because an internal combustion engine converts most of the energy into heat (most of which we throw away) and only a limited amount into motion. Added to that, electric energy can be recovered during braking. When it comes to PHEVs, the powertrain is more often less efficient, with Consumption above 20 kWh per 100 because the battery is smaller or has a less efficient composition, along with the fact that often the latest technology is not used for the electric motors, in order to keep the price down.

[@paultaylor1820]

​@elektrischverhaal5166 on pure energy efficiency you win, however, on cost and practicality I win. PHEV's are cheaper to buy, cheaper to run, no unnecessary journey planning, no range anxiety, shorter journey times, the list goes on.

[@marvinsamuels1237]

Nice video Ped, you did well getting Philippa on with you. It was good to see both sides of the story having considered a PHEV, but deciding the go the full BEV route as it suited our lifestyle almost perfectly. 2 years in and I wouldn't go back to an ICE car.

[@PetrolPed]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@christopherbradshaw2616]

Listening to your comments, I didn't realise how good my mecedes benz GLA 250e is I have had it for 3 years and it is the best of both worlds, I have just looked at my mpg and over a 3 year period I got 99 mpg and the overall range is well over 300 miles it cost £36900 new. The electric range is still 35 miles. I always keep it fully charged, and as it is in the £180 tax bracket, I will not be changing it any time soon. For the first 8 months, I didn't put any petrol in it as I was only using it locally. As for car prices, manufacturers think we have all suddenly got lots of money, which is my main gripe for not going fully Electric.

[@dayoadeosun1520]

Hi Petroped, great video. Would use my money to buy a PHEV but if my employer gives me a BEV, I would take it. BEVs are not practical enough for my driving needs.

[@PetrolPed]

Fair enough!

[@spiersey1]

Very fair video putting the points of both sides. One thing I don’t miss from driving ice is the stink of petrol on my hands or shoes after filling up

[@markhomer6357]

Totally agree with Phillippa , too expensive and price needs to drop substantially before I consider either format

[@m0scs]

Interesting video. I spent about 6 months going through all the pros and cons of a BEV before eventually opting for a Kia Niro PHEV as a company car. My car choice was driven by practicality first and foremost, then what I could get with my price band. The Niro EV was over my price limit for the spec I wanted so was immediately a non starter. I could have got a top spec MG4 but wasn't quite ready to make that leap. I also had the usual concerns about the charger network in UK and the very high cost of rapid DC charging and where I would be able to charge an EV if I took to on holiday to Devon Wales etc. Having driven my car for 2 months, mainly in EV mode, it occurres to me that I'd be better off with an EV, as I have now spent the money to have a home charger installed and have a cheap rate tariff. While the PHEV is great with usable range for pottering about at low speed, you lose out on performance without using the ICE. But for the few occasions a year I will travel more than 200ish miles from home, the EV would save me more money, not to mention the lower BIK. I'm pretty certain my next car will be a BEV.

[@mrcogginsgarage7062]

Interesting take on these new fangled vehicles Ped . And good to have Philippa fighting her corner,might be an idea to take her up to see Moggie and the chaps at ECC ,Happy Christmas mate.

[@stevecagle8002]

Great video, you guys are cute together, Thanks for great information. I love my EV with no complaints, used a DC charger over the weekend for the first time and everything worked perfectly. Thanks again.. Happy holidays !!

[@haydensmith888]

I love our EV but we often have issues charging when on our longer journeys, still a real barrier in my opinion

[@PetrolPed]

Our pleasure!

[@ashb8572]

We currently own both an EV and PHEV, having started the EV journey 8 years ago. We tried living with 2 EVs (one short range and another long-range model), but it was stressful with the UK charging infrastructure during day trips. We concluded it can only be stress free and save precious time with either a Tesla or a PHEV, so we went with the latter as we could'nt afford an in warranty Tesla

[@chargeheadsuk]

I bought my Tesla out of normal warranty at 56k. Its now done 91k 🤷‍♂️

[@ashb8572]

​@chargeheadsuk Out of spec are on their 3rd battery pack kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWSoY5V_l8qeY68feature=shared

[@Pete-rf6zz]

I had a plug in for a while until I realised I preferred being on electric only all the time and then got an EV and life is much better plus we really need to stop pollutants being fired into the atmosphere the science seems stark. Also, it was hard work trying to get the most out of an phev using flappy paddles to get most miles using the regen and charging every night cycling the battery over and over. With a pure EV you can charge just once a week or every 2 weeks less cycling of the battery. Plus I no longer waste time buying fuel anymore it's quicker to plug at home. Not saying it's for everyone, better if you have a home charger.

[@wayneberry30]

To me a plug in hybrid is only bought for two reasons, 1, to save on tax etc but only ever drive in engine mode. 2. To brag that you're saving the planet while always using the engine

[@ginggur17]

Hello buddy, you lucky gent, I have a lot of admiration for Philippa. Looking forward to this.

[@anthonybenson2685]

Choice of what works for each consumer not forced ,the city the country the climate , change what is best .As if mankind can control what the sun influences we are not in control

[@anonymouspdg6121]

Enjoyable video. Interestingly, I've just been able to do a back to back comparison of BEV with Petrol versions of the same car? I've been running a BEV XC40 since March 2022 and had to take into the garage for maintenance where they gave me a 73 plate petrol XC40. Not a plug in Hybrid but still enough for me to confirm my thoughts on BEV V Combustion of any kind lol. I get that the plug in Hybrid is great for someone who is worried about range and may do longer journeys but I have to say, if that's the only reason they have, I would go BEV every day as I think the plug in hybrid too much of a compromise. Maybe opposite to what you said of best of both worlds, maybe it's the worst of both worlds, pretty small EV range and smaller than normal petrol range whilst lugging one round when the other is being used! Yes, as you both said there is a small change in thought process required to put a little effort in before journeys but that occurs really easily and quickly. Most of my journeys are well within the normal range but on the few occasions I've done longer journey from North Nottinghamshire to Dover and Portsmouth etc, charging has been pretty easy and coincided with breaks for coffee etc so not really an issue. The plus of the BEV is that compared to it's petrol equivalent, it is so quiet and smooth and a very easy driving experience. Not having to put fuel in since march 2022 and then having to top up twice yesterday to ensure the courtesy car went back with the same amount of fuel was very expensive. I finish up putting in £40 of petrol in which may have been a little generous but the car was saying consumption was going down fast. More videos like this please!!

[@leeavison]

Great episode Pete with Phillipa Ped on the channel !! 💯💯😂😂 I do love EV's too and also driving them on Long and short distances on a daily basis . I have noticed a huge increase in public charging however , There is still a long way to go 👍👍

[@TurfSurf]

The presistant problem with buying an EV in the US at least till this day is that many non-Tesla chargers are too slow, broken, and a few available. I have a PHEV for 4 years now, I love it, and I will still buy a PHEV over EV for the next a few years. I can only afford one car, so I need it for long trips too, really don't want to deal with slow or broken stations, and I am not into Tesla's look so I won't be getting a Tesla.

[@PetrolPed]

Great point

[@CarlosFandango1975]

It’s always the cost of on the road electric charging that puts me off using a pure electric vehicle on longer runs. At nearly 90p per kW at a forecourt, compared to 8p at night at home they only really make sense if you can charge only at home. Any more that 50p then you might aswell have an engine and do 50mpg. Great realistic video, keep up the good work

[@PetrolPed]

I agree 👍

[@DrDave_63395]

Interested to hear what PHEV drivers do in practice - while you can run on electric the short range means that you have to charge every night. Pre-covid I was doing a 20 mile daily round trip commute and did consider a PHEV with a range of 40miles on battery. But this would mean charging every night. For the past 3.5 years my wife has a BMW i3 and typically she will charge once or twice a week except when on a long run. I'm now planning to replace my diesel Evoque with a BEV. On long journeys with the i3 we have not had problems charging - yes a little planning needed - but then a PHEV needs the discipline of plugging in each night IMHO.

[@thelaserhive3368]

TBH, it's not hard if you charge at home to just stick the charge cable in after a run around town ( also, as a side issue, I'm finding that Intelligent Octopus Go is giving me lots of cheaper energy for the house when I do that!).

[@the_lost_navigator7266]

I only drive 10 regular miles a day so a 50 mile hybrid would last most of my week. I would actually feel guilty if I were to buy a big battery EV and leave it parked up for 23.5 hours per day. A lot depends on your use case.

[@sebastianmessina31]

If you use an engine braking setting (if you have one) the regenerative braking is enhanced. I have a Lexus CT200h with engine braking available.

[@davetomley3145]

Mrs Ped - “Why did you buy me flowers? You spent the day with WHO?!! 😉”

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@raydrury9243]

Great video although it felt a bit tense in the early stages. I thought you handled the conversation very considerately and quelled the emotive aspects of the discussion. Lifestyle and personal needs remain key to choice between these cars. Recent 500 mile dash to a very poorly parent reminded me why our Macan remains the right choice for us. Perhaps our second car could be an EV and will be checking out the new Mini Countryman in coming weeks. Thanks again for great content 👏

[@SeanPowell]

Recent 500 mile dash 😅not many distances of that length you can do in the UK, Plymouth to Edinburgh is about that, also takes about 9 hours without a rest stop, but surely that's ridiculous to do in one go?

[@PetrolPed]

Fair enough!

[@cinematographytrev]

Some great arguments and comparisons shared by you both. Brilliant watch. Loved the drone footage included too.

[@PetrolPed]

Not often I get to fly it 😜

[@philljones1695]

Hiya, Nice film and both of you put your case to each other. We have a 77kwh Born (In blue Ped, like the one you showed us some time ago) Has a 300mile range and have to say would never go back tovan ice vehicle. Thing not mentioned was the lower service cost and at the moment no road tax!!!

[@philm652]

I have a phev and I wasn't sure if it would be best or worst of both worlds. It's certainly not best of both worlds as you still have all the running costs of ICE cars i.e. servicing, timing belts and ONLY if you can charge overnight is there a cost benefit. If you can charge overnight then majority of journeys are super cheap (about 5x cheaper than petrol) BUT the cost of a PHEV is significantly higher than the equivalent ICE version of the car, I don't think I've saved any money overall with mine.

[@bizzie1956]

Great video from you both if I could charge an ev at home I would have one bot I can’t and what outside companies are charging to fill up your battery I would have to pay more than my Hybrid

[@thelaserhive3368]

Nicely done guys. Speaking as a Mini Countryman PHEV driver, although it is lovely, great to drive ( and really quick when the EV rear motor steps into co-operation with front ICE engine) there is a real issue that the extra weight robs both motor and engine of efficiency. The motor has a nominal range of 30 miles but in the 3 years I've had it this is really 'best case' city driving and equates to a best efficiency of 3 miles per kWh ( usually in the high '2s'). A full EV Mini does much better than that. Similarly, in petrol mode the car is definitely more thirsty than a full petrol Countryman. So while I love the Mini and the fact that local driving and plugging in gets me through pretty much the whole time, I often jump into my used E-Golf which hardly ever drops below 4 miles per kWh. In early 2024 my Mini lease ends and I will be getting a Niro EV ( just like Philippa) having got the 'gateway drug' out of the way.

[@moo4rich]

This confirms what I was concerned about when I first looked at buying a PHEV 4yrs ago. I bought an EV and had a steep learning curve as I didn't research before had. No regrets best car choice ever.

[@Gaz494]

I agree that PHEVs are a good gateway to BEVs, I've had a Kuga ST Line PHEV for 2 and a half years and am now waiting delivery of a Mustang Mach E. After having the Kuga for 6 months I was determined to have BEV next. I've done just under 50% of my mileage in the Kuga on all electric. However, it's interesting to see more and more manufacturers pulling PHEV models, whether this is due to component shortage or a drop in demand as more people switch to BEVs is there for debate, but I think they have been short lived and may have had their day.

[@garymcgregor7048]

She's still gorgeous ❤

[@albertofernandez-sanguino3373]

"Second hand values have come down" .... Major understatement!! They're plummeting, and so are sales

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@nobbs67]

Thank you, really enjoyed this video. Currently I drive a BMW X3 2.0d mild hybrid, really pleased with its 48mpg over the last 18k miles, and this one goes off load everyday as I’m an agronomist. Now that all said, I’m very interested in ev or plug in hybrid, but as you both said at the end of the film, they’re so expensive when compared to a “normal” car. I’ve done the figures on a number of cars taking everything in to account and I just can’t get the figures to work. Thank you and I take note of the 3 times better for the world figure as I’ve wondered about that for a while. More please on this topic!

[@Yorkshiremadmick]

Nice colab video Shame ev in any form is the wrong direction.

[@colossus_g]

Not sure I agree with one of your comments. You can live with a 'granny' charger owning a PHEV but not a BEV. Surely that has more to do with how far you travel than anything else and the type of car you are charging is largely irrelevant. Adding 10kWH to a battery every day will get you your average next day's travel regardless of whether it is BEV or PHEV.

[@elektrischverhaal5166]

Also… Strange logic that a PHEV with a tiny battery, that you have to charge daily to drive 40 miles, would be better than an all-electric that you have to charge once, to then drive 200-300 miles with. To me, PHEV seems more likely to cause the worst charging anxiety. Doesn't it?

[@darrenkeenan2258]

Well said,as in the video these cars are priced the same,but if you owned one of these cars think about the running costs, petrol and service. Evs run on green electricity, more solar and wind added yearly, what will the grid be like in say 10 years 50% or 60% green

[@sandman2b]

Thanks for this conversation. Very interesting to hear each of your viewpoints on BEVs v. PHEVs from a living with standpoint. Most information and vlogs are more about the overall carbon footprint, electric grid / infrastructure and makeup of the grid (renewables v. fossil fuels) argument. More to think about... But alas, I do still love a good sounding ICE connected to a responsive transmission.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Thanks PED for another great video. Always wise to agree with a woman, especially when she is driving. 😊

[@PetrolPed]

Always!

[@stevencampbell1150]

Great video and interesting one at that but I don't think either is the answer, certainly not where I live in Northern Ireland where the infrastructure is very poor to say the least plus there's the extra cost of either option and the one thing that everyone misses including you guys in the video, the cost to insure which is often twice the price of the combustion equivalent. Here's a prime example, the insurance for my 1.6 diesel Renault Kadjar for me as a 48 year old male is £350, for a Hyundai ioniq 5 it's nearly twice that at over £700, which one do you think I'm more likely to go for? Certainly not the EV anyway plus although EVs are presently exempt from road tax as of 2025 they'll pay the standard rate of £180 whereas I'm currently paying £35 for my diesel SUV so whilst I know I may have to go electric at some point it certainly won't be any time soon.

[@wendyhopkins2902]

As a owner of a Niro Ev option 4 , and I'm totally in love ❤️

[@johnbrown3951]

As you know I have my i-Pace and I love it. The best car I have owned bar none but if and when we swap it out PHEV for us as we need it for 320 mile round trips up North in a day where at present there are no rapid chargers but there are on route but in winter the range is just short off one direction if an urgent trip is called for. Phillipa made a very good case for pure EV that made me think twice that by the time I replace this car technology may have moved far enough for us to stick with a pure EV.

[@russellurwin7396]

The dragging a petrol engine isn't true, as a bigger bev battery means it is as heavy or heavier than the phev.

[@DrBlack1987]

My thoughts exactly. People that say the dragging battery around comment aren’t thinking. If you do 30 miles a day but have a battery capable of 300 miles you are dragging around 90% of a big battery. Which is probably heavier than a petrol engine.

[@ginggur17]

You hit the nail Peter, EV’s are not as clean as they try to depict. Great idea, but not as crisp as the government would want.

[@davidcolin6519]

It's funny that you compare the two forms and talk about the thing of "range anxiety", which is becoming less and less of "A thing" as BEV ranges increase, yet you completely ignore "the thing" these days which is battery fires. Now, I know how few BEVs do actually burst into flames, but it IS something that the media habitually lies through its teeth about. All the statistics show that BEVs are far less likely to burst into flames than their ICE equivalents, but the real "Thing" is that hybrids are actually much more likely to burst into flames than even ICEs. Also great to see someone talking about how rarely you do need a public fast charger in real life. I know that presenting a truly unbiased position is always a problem, so kudos to you for doing what you can anyway.

[@toeknee2u]

Currently we have two electric cars. A Renault Clio hybrid & a Volvo SUV PHEV. The Clio averages 60mpg, the Volvo does 30 miles per charge plus 30mpg. Each is used differently, the Clio commutes 60 miles round per day, the Volvo mainly does weekend and longer journeys where we might need to tow. For our lifestyles this works well, the Volvo is showing 135mpg and has used 1/2 a tank of petrol in just under 3 months! Both are great to drive. With the addition of a 7kw Zappi the Renault may be on borrowed time, if the newer model MGs live up to their quoted 280 mile range. But it's not a done deal, not yet...

[@HQBProductions]

Hello Peter! An interesting comparison of thoughts and I feel things are turning inevitably to EV despite the problems. My thinking so far has been PHEV and as one car, I’m still in that thought but my reasons are these…EV..high purchase price and cliff fall depreciation. Charging remains a complex mix of location and luck..Will it be available and will it work? To drive…the weight spoils the ride and is no help for handling delight. Now PHEV driving…the Kuga PHEV was a strange car…overweight and confused as to when the engine fired or not…it seemed to be unable to make its mind up…..so a PHEV needs to be a well developed car technically…it gives the best and worst of both worlds. Ths week, a friend who has many cars..M5, Aston Martin, Lotus, Porsche, Bentley, TVR etc…bought a used BMWi3 for local work…and is thrilled with it! So…is it time to buy a big discount EV like a Taycan or Kia…maybe an Audi E- Tron….??? You work well with Philippa….I have not heard from her in many years! 😃😃😃😃

[@ukgroucho]

Jump in a Volvo XC60 T8 Recharge (or a V60) - 455 bhp combined... honestly it's faster acceleration than the Maserati Levante S I sold when I decided to go PHEV

[@72stevemc]

Good video comparison. Biggest drawback on full electric , insurance costs , higher than hybrid/ combustion as I found out . Same car ,one electric ,one hybrid, the electric £450 year more expensive on insurance

[@MrPeteJMc]

I love my rav4 phev. Just charged and it is reading 54 miles of range. I'm retired and usually do less than 100 miles a week, so a twice weekly charge is fine for me. However I tend to top up charge, run down to about 15 to 20 miles then plug in. From the phev's I've viewed on KZbin, I still think the rav4 is the best.

[@rwg2626]

Think hybrids are a waste of time, love love love my Tesla, and so cheap to run, done 2 trips to the alps winter and summer and 2 round trips to Menorca, it is so easy, and on my home tariff its £5.60 to fill it up in winter, and it’s kept topped up in summer with my solar

[@davidkramrisch]

2nd hand values have fallen through the floor making a 1 or 2 or 3 year old Ev thankfully extremely affordable. Even higher end EV’s with long range such as model 3’s or Polestar 2’s.

[@DaveWorker]

I have a Kuga PHEV as a company car. It makes a lot of sense for me due to the Low BIK tax, great fuel consumption, the 2.5L petrol engine puts it into a higher HMRC band for claiming the fuel mileage and it has a range of around 500 miles per tank (I've had it as high as 700 miles with quite a few overnight charges). Even if I were never to plug it in, it will run about 30% of the time on electric, due to regen. And better still, the wheels stay really clean as the actual brakes are hardly used, so they don't make much brake dust.

[@philedwards7174]

Great video. I think I have reached a point where I'd just go full EV. Following this video I have concluded that purchasing a hybrid just to address range anxiety makes no sense. Double the problems, two sources or propulsion and the complexity around amalgamating them seems to make little sense. The one argument from the video that really strikes home was made by both of you: 'Wake up every morning with a full charge.' Case closed 😊

[@sandmehlig]

Planning to charge for longer trips is said to be a pain in Kia cars. But having access to a standard AC plug (2 kW to be safe) for ten hours every night leaves you a 30kWh or 80 miles head start (everything -10°C winter worst case) on Saturday when driving 40 miles every day, Monday to Friday.

[@philipparkes5682]

Hi Ped Watched with interest, but not converted 🤭 I think you both put your respective views very well, but I anticipate problems ahead with regard to Net Zero, Vehicle electrification for the masses, major infrastructure problems coupled with true cost analysis. So as you will have guessed I am staying with ICE for the foreseeable future. Sorry mate.🤭

[@mikadavies660]

Geely have just released the Zeeka 001 with the 800v Gold battery. It give 830km on one charge. Charging is then around 300km in 15 minutes. Battery technology is now far far better than these 200 to 250 miles limited BEVs. All of the BEVs of 2023 will be so out of date in just a few years.

[@davidwhiteman4649]

Good video. We have two EVs and hardly ever use public charging. Day to day we never do but on the few weeks a year that we drive over to the continent we do. Having said that, we tend to wait until France to charge as their infrastructure is now far superior to ours. It wasn’t 5 years ago but it is now as they’ve really invested over there. As ever, the French do infrastructure properly while in the UK we do it half assed.

[@martynb9]

Phillippa Wins Pete. I think it's a 14Kwh battery on the Sportage PHEV with an OnBoard 7.2Kw inverter/charger so minimum charging time would be 2hrs on a fast charger I guess. I have a PHEV Niro and love it but wish it was BEV. The Niro PHEV only has an 3.5Kwh charger onboard so even with a 7kw wall box it will take just over 2hrs to charge the 8kwh (33miles) battery. Also if you drive the PHEV with the heater on in EV mode the engine will come on to provide the heat for the cabin, The PHEV doesn't have a heat pump, it's best to use the heated seats and have the heating off.... until the windscreen fogs up. Great video

[@PetrolPed]

😂😂😂

[@trevorcrook2565]

I don't think PHEVs are as relevant now as they were a few years ago as BEV range has increased and public charging has improved (although it needs to keep doing so). A downside of a PHEV that wasn't mentioned is you lose the cheap servicing you should get with a BEV, as oil, plugs etc will still need changing regularly.

[@Daniel-jm5hd]

I had an A Class PHEV for 3 years. Easy to run and 40+ miles of electric power most of the year. Compromise was the smaller boot, but not a major issue 99% of the time. I now have a Tesla Model Y on salary sacrifice via my employer. This is the best way to get an EV and I wish every employer offered a scheme. PHEV is a good stepping stone for those who are worried about going electric but my advice is to go and try one (or several) for yourself.

[@FéargalO]

Thanks..was wondering why the Kia XCeed plug in's had suddenly disappeared recently.

[@Rusky07]

Wow now there is a blast from the past. Very interesting discussion Pete. 👍👍

[@PetrolPed]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@antonymcneillis]

Great video. Honest and real.

[@PetrolPed]

I appreciate that!

[@stephenbow1558]

Enjoyed the video! You said the new price of both vehicles was similar. What would the re-sale value of both the vehicles be?

[@darrenkeenan2258]

Most people have a 3 year lease, as all types of vehicles are so expensive

[@jasonshaw1628]

Enjoyed this different format of video Pete - made a nice change 👍

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks 👍

[@garrymatthews4430]

What a great vid, where did Philippa come from, one of my favourets. This is how comparsons should be dome. Amazing. Still not 100% EV though

[@PetrolPed]

👊

[@Paul-hu3zr]

Nice video, l can see scope for some future teamwork. Onto the cars, Phillippa wins 😉PHEV's are pointless, glad you admitted it Pete,l. The comparative points are well made . Both cars have the same range, the PHEV engine does 37mph which is 1980's numbers, and to claim the mpg goes up to 80-90mpg by not using the petrol engine, is insane. PHEV's have increased complexity, more risk of breakdown, higher servicing costs, etc. 250-300 mile range is perfect for 90%+ of all private motorists. BEV all the way, especially if you can charge at home or workplace.

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@tichwykes]

There's also still the issue of myself not being able to charge at home, I only use a car for work throughout the week & there's no where on route to charge up. A plugin hybrid would possibly be better but still not the perfect option

[@DamoDrives]

I had a Mach-e for a week and the same issue of no drive or on street parking to run a cable. I did have to park on my lawn at 1 point and run a granny charger through my window which virtually did nothing over the course of the night. Like the idea of an EV but just too many things against them at the minute

[@andrewnicholls5082]

I can’t charge at home but am able to charge at work. Otherwise I wouldn’t have a BEV. Public charging is so expensive.

[@rayclarke5367]

Great video. I too like the idea of a PHEV, it would suit me a lot. But it does feel a bit half-hearted. Overall, I was more persauded by Philippa's arguments. And for the record, I'm the same, I find filling up with a real chore, and I have run mine down to single figures several times. On one occasion I ran out pulling onto the forecourt and had to push it the last 10 yards...! PS more Philippa please.

[@PetrolPed]

Thanks for sharing!

[@gerrycollins2335]

One point not mentioned: despite their undoubted acceleration capabilities, EVs are heavy lumps and on the country roads where I live, they do not provide the driving fun factor. I have tried various EVs and of them the Tesla Model 3 was the lightest and best able to cope with curves and bumps, but my 10 year old Mazda 3 is so much more agile and responsive that I'm not going EV just yet.

[@michaelstaunton1632]

This was a great idea as a video really enjoyed it now well done both of you 👍👍👍

[@PetrolPed]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@BR702702]

Random but decent collab! Strangely had her channel come up on my feed a few months ago so have been watching anyway. When combined with PP it was a good watch - the dynamic worked well so more please!

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@johnhutchinson635]

Sorry the inconvenience of spending 5mins putting petrol in and then having 300-400miles depending on the car, so stopping for longer and more often isn’t inconvenient?

[@user-jg6vi4cd7v]

Nice plug in hybrid definitely, the best current choice -we have an EV there great for local , but heating seats cold weather eats battery life!

[@paulbetesta]

Awesome both of you

[@PetrolPed]

Thank you so much 😀

[@davidbee9563]

I was travelling with a retired GM engineer from Detroit recently. He explained the theory of how to optimize the EV effect with an HEV. The concept is to program your journey to make best use of the EV. EV works best in stop and go traffic, hilly terrain and below urban speeds. But for a long journey steady highway mileage is better on ICE. It only takes a small effort to maintain your average. This way you can improve your consumption by maybe 20% overall. The idea is to use the vehicle cloud to direct what is being used rather than the in car navigation. Big fan of the UK original Robot wars all those years ago. The new US format is not the same. But tech improvement in the past 25 years is undeniable.

[@phillipwilliams4674]

Biggest single problem with modern cars - their cost! It doesn't seem so long ago that we were talking about budget cars costing sub £10,000, a decent family car around £15,000, and exotic, sporty cars being £20,000+ We're now talking about these scales having increased maybe three or four times the original prices, but I'm convinced that peoples earnings haven't increased by the same amount over the same period of time. Makes me wonder just who is buying new cars now? Are they all bought by companies or PCP leasing companies? I've always been a believer in owning my own car, that way there are no constraints like how many miles I'm allowed to do per year, and as such a buyer, I can never see myself owning anything other than an ICE car. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to buy a decent PHEV or EV, but I just don't see myself being able to afford to do so!

[@justice4g]

Our government wants us to monitor and pay for km's on PHEV and full EVS so ICE and regular hybrids seem a better option to me.

[@davidthegolfer]

Pete, thank goodness it was you. You may have achieved a grey state. PF seems to be a black and white kind of person. Imagine if she had done this program with Clarkson? Apart from batteries, their safety and life cycle. Imagine every car on the road towing a 3/4 tonne piece of concrete behind. All that extra energy to tow that weight comes from where? And how clean is it. There is a brilliant app from the National Grid called ESO. This is a live, dynamic picture of how our energy is generated regionally. Where energy is dirtiest, and where cleanest. It makes me think.

[@roobdog6218]

Remember most of the driving population don't live in a house or Flat where they can plug in⛽

[@davyp2993]

In the 1980's & 90's most of the new cars were taken to the north of Scotland for their journalist test drives, and reviews. Some long flat roads, some hills, some twists and turns, being stuck behind slow moving vehicles, single track roads. But.....!!!!! I've not seen any EV or PHEV journalistic test runs, away from the south of England. As you both eluded to, the majority of journeys are around town or short distances, it seems to be that they are suited for city/town dwellers. Go on, break the mould and give these vehicles a "realistic" test drive. Or are you scared to.?!

[@spiersey1]

I wish we could talk about the benefits of electric versus ice without bringing up the environment, perhaps you could be the first channel that just compares cars for the cars sake. Polar bears are at their highest population for a number of years and growing by the way

[@lankyboy90]

For me, the RANGE isn't the issue, but the SPEED OF RECHARGE. Personally I very seldom do a 200+ mile journey non-stop. However, when I do stop, it's for less than half an hour. In an ICE car, going from an empty tank to full will take less than 3 minutes from the beginning to the end of the transaction. In some cars, this will give you up to 600 miles range. Until a BEV can match that kind of recharge performance, hybrid is the way to go for me (preferably a diesel PHEV, around town in electric only and diesel efficiency on the motorways). Unfortunately there is some evidence surfacing now that rapid charging does actually damage batteries if used as the main method of recharging, so the puzzle doesn't really get any clearer.

[@ginggur17]

The Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV was the first one I’d ever driven.

[@mikadavies660]

I think both of these cars are perfect examples of "too expensive" family cars.... £40,000+ is just ridiculous. Citroën E-C3 at just over £20k is far more realistic. I like the idea of convenience of Hybrids but I dislike a couple of facts. (1) They are made on a budget with a cheap battery pack. Which on many models / manufacturers they are having reliability issues. (2) They devalue very quickly and are rapidly becoming "yesterday's technology"

[@EVinstructor]

Just to be the Tesla bore in the comments, to get rid of range anxiety get a Tesla. The Supercharger network makes it easy. See PP’s video with the Model Y. Early used Model 3s are selling from £20k. Like any car they’re expensive new but cheaper than they used to be and competitive with cars like BMW and Mercedes. Tesla bore done now. You can move onto the next comment 😊

[@dgattenb]

Philippa Forrester is a goddess !!

[@PetrolPed]

👍

[@davidtolley4979]

As there are only a handful of charging points in the country that are accessible for disabled drivers . In 2021 it was reported that only 0.003% where wheelchair accessible chargers. I do a couple long trips a month that couldn’t be done without recharging But as soon as I can I will get an EV I will

[@HugoParedes]

My problem when people try to shove the EVs into people’s throats, is that they assume everyone is like them or has their life of bank account. Most people cannot charge at home. A friend got an EV as company car to replace a BMW 3 series diesel. He’s using public charging, and comparing both, the EV is 2x more expensive to run. It needs to replace tires more frequently, still has problems that need to fix, etc It’s also more expensive to buy. It makes, even small road trips, more of an hassle…

[@carsncurry4478]

Your Bianchi is much greener , no pun intended, than either Kia....... But not quite as practical..... Just throwing it in the mix.

[@dancooper2072]

Plug in hybrid and self charge only make sense at the moment..I'd hate to be in an electric car miles from home and get stuck in a traffic jam, the range anxiety would be scary

[@johnnodge4327]

An EV uses little power when it's in a traffic jam. Range is range, and there are seldom 200 miles of traffic jams in a single journey.