The ultimate Lenovo ThinkPad Overview - Can you choose wrong?

[@Darkknight512]

Something I have to recommend is to always read the Lenovo PSREF documents. It is the real configuration/spec sheet. Tells you exactly what is upgradable, what kind of slot things are, capabilities of every slot and what material the top cover, keyboard deck and bottom shell is made of. CFRP, GFRP, ABS plastic, aluminum or magnesium alloy. Some laptops have options for which material its made of which can really really affect the rigidity, mechanical stability, robustness and general feel of the laptop. Some of the options are extremely different like two different laptops with exact same marketing model name/number have ABS plastic bottom shell or aluminum bottom shell.

[@arushashwingo]

I absolutely agree it helped me narrow down my options based on future upgrades

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

That does sound very useful indeed, thank you for sharing!

[@turinturambar162]

I'd pick the T14s with AMD and OLED screen.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

That was my favorite as well!

[@Meulkie]

I would pick t14 with 400nit instead :)

[@memoryfoam2285]

I'm currently daily driving a gen1 T14s AMD, such a huge upgrade from the T495s and available for very good prices used

[@5k_addy]

@@Meulkiethe OLED screen is 400 not still, but it’s 1800p instead of 1200p , OLED display so much better color ratio , deeper blacks, and also 120hz if we’re talking about gen 5.

[@MrKrewie]

id pick arch

[@toronado455]

Too bad about PWM flickering on the OLED panels. Especially because I can't imagine using an OLED at full brightness, so for sure there would be flickering on the 60Hz model. But perhaps not noticable on the T14s at 364 Hz?

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

You would really have to test that since I do not have problems with OLEDs in general. It is a very subjective thing. Generally speaking, the T14s might be a safer bet in this regard since it has the higher frequency!

[@vprwave]

It's not subjective when your eyes are sensitive, I can tell from experience. Thank you very much for doing the PWM tests diligently. I've been relying on them for years and I'm sure many others too.​ @@NotebookcheckReviews

[@BeeRoyLee]

Miss the IBM Thinkpads. They built legendary machines before selling to the Chinese.

[@unclnis]

Happy to see your reviews stay professional and in depth, as they are on the website. Much appreciated 👍

[@toronado455]

My answer to the webcam/mic question is the X13 Yoga was probably best microphone of the ones you sampled. TBH, they are all pretty bad. As for the webcams, I don't think I have an opinion on that. Thanks for the video.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Agreed, and you are more than welcome!

[@Meulkie]

My first thinkpad will be the T14 Gen 4 and this is my current specs so far :D - Processor: AMD Ryzen™ 7 PRO 7840U Processor (3.30 GHz up to 5.10 GHz) - Memory: 32 GB LPDDR5X-6400MHz (Soldered) sucks but what can I do lol - Solid State Drive: 1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal - Display: 14" WUXGA (1920 x 1200), IPS, Anti-Glare, Non-Touch, 100%sRGB, 400 nits, 60Hz, Low Power, Low Blue Light

[@Eeepus]

Did you get this? What is your expereince with fan noise? Does the fan spin up a lot of the time? I have had various x1s over the last 11 years and I am done. Moving to T14 or T14s with AMD.

[@Meulkie]

@@Eeepus depends on what you’re doing but for me I have minimal fan noise when I’m working on heavier projects.

[@fn5k]

Buyer beware: thoroughly test these laptops before making a purchase. The U CPUs are sluggish, particularly due to over-aggressive turbo TDPs and inadequate cooling, resulting in excessive throttling. For this reason, I was forced to switch to the P series about five years ago (after using the T series for years). A number of my colleagues did the same. While these laptops excel in battery life, never expect sustained performance from them. Perhaps the AMD version is better but it was not an option for me, unfortunately.

[@JJARCHIE]

i gotta say you can just enable turbo boost all the time with throttlestop , and even change tdp

[@c.m.7037]

AMD is way better.

[@randomvids4099]

The first mistake that you did was buying the Intel version LMAO.

[@fn5k]

@@randomvids4099 So sorry that you are illiterate. I clearly wrote that AMD was (sadly) not an option (due to company procurement). It's manipulative that both laptops are being sold at similar prices with Intel having much worse thermals (as Lenovo did not ensure proper cooling). So the point remains: buy the AMD version, or (if corporate has a hard on for Intel) buy the P series instead.

[@honkhonk8009]

@@fn5k That was at the end of the comment, no need to hate on the mf that hard LOL. But yea they dont give an AMD option for the x13's. Really goofy

[@Burbanana]

pretty sure they come with qualcomm wifi chips (for amd anyway) in the netherlands at least. Do you know if these are good? I just got the Yoga Pro 9i 2024 in, but the numpad squeezed into the device is something I surprisingly disliked a LOT. Everything is shifted left so I am looking at either a 16 without numpad, or 14 inch. T16 is crazy expensive here but T14 is a great deal and T14S is on sale ( 1200 / 1500 respectivly, 32GB Ryzen 7 OLED on both)

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Yeah, the AMD variants come with the Qualcomm Wifi chips that performed much better in our testing. I totally get what you mean about the shifted trackpad on 16" Lenovos. That always takes me some time to get used to, as well!

[@Burbanana]

@@NotebookcheckReviews thanks for the tip! Love your detailed reviews.

[@camilstoenescu]

If you want the best keyboard in a laptop, get a ThinkPad.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

They are good, but the best?

[@Yuriy.Winnig]

I guess the best keyboard is on MSI Titan 18, right?

[@valentinolli8955]

IMHO Not too impressed with them after the move to 1.5mm and even shallower key travel.

[@alankucar4564]

you mean least worst? It's mind boggling how they manage with every iteration to make them worse.

[@intellectbuilder]

ThinkPad X220 - it had a better keyboard layout, much more convenient than modern ThinkPad laptops..

[@axq3837]

Great summary! Such a shame that manufacturers like Lenovo also reduce the modularity / upgradeability of their laptop product lines. First their removable batteries that got fixed, soldered RAM, soldered WiFi and in the future soldered SSD. Only for marginal gains. It is bad for the consumer and bad for the environment, but probably good for their sales/profits.

[@ithinkabout4369]

New T14 G5 and T16 G3 have upgradable RAM. And the SSD won't ever be soldered on these, as that would be a security hazard in the business world.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

I wonder if it's not only the manufacturers' fault but also the customer's asking for ever-thinner devices. And maybe RAM and WiFi cards do not fail as often or need to be upgraded as frequently, so it might just make more sense for the majority of devices to solder these components?! I am not saying that this is the way it should be; just thinking aloud! ;)

[@capresti3537]

They dont make gains with soldered parts, they lose customers. They just do it to piss people off, no other reason.

[@christosbinos8467]

@@NotebookcheckReviews I think you are right. People buy thinner laptops over laptops that are more upgradeable. The reality is most consumers will just buy another laptop when they start feeling like theirs is slow in performance.

[@joseluislopes3956]

I feel like the E-line should've been included in the comparison as it's the entry level of a brand students and profesionals might gravitate to

[@heI666]

better wait for the new AMD 8040 CPUs this month, hopefully the T14 gen5 gets not again an outdated OLED as in gen4.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Fingers crossed!

[@ithinkabout4369]

There is a slight difference in color between them: While the X13 (Yoga) G4 and T14s G4 are both using the color Lenovo calls "Pure Black" for the chassis, the other two are "Thunder Black", which is a dark grey. Lenovo is going back to the darker black on newer systems, which looks better/more premium than the dark grey.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

You are definitely right, and I agree with the overall premium look of the darker colour.

[@TrusteftTech]

SO with those USB4 ports, you could in theory plug in an eGPU, right?

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Yepp, that is a possibility!

[@kumarasinghedevuni6443]

Hi can i know whether the lenovo thinkpad t14 gen 4 I7 good for a cybersecurity student

[@tramenari]

T480 is still the best Thinkpad

[@BCSpecht89]

Are there going to be any software fixes for the problems the Intel i9 13th and 14th generation CPUs are having with system lockups, spontaneous reboots and BSOD? My Lenovo Legion laptop started having these issues after the first year. I don't do any gaming on it, so there should be no reason for all the excess heat that suddenly makes the fan run like a jet engine. I updated the BIOS, but there are still problems. I will be getting a 16-inch Lenovo ThinkPad with an AMD Ryzen processor in hopes of avoiding this issue in the future.

[@jeffersonmp4]

Haven't the T14/T14s gen 5 2024 with Core Ultra and Ryzen 8040 series already been launched? Why didn't mention these new models instead of the old 2023 2022 models?

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

As far as I know, these are yet to be available, and we still need to have the chance to review them properly. I will do a similar video once we do!

[@BronzeKats]

Thank you for this very helpful video. Will you be reviewing the T16 G3 laptop just released in Canada and the US, but only for the Intel U but not for the H Series Core Ultra 5 / 7 processor.

[@shiftenterspacebar]

Which offers a better typing experience - the latest ThinkPad E14 (Gen 6) or ThinkPad E16 (Gen 2) ??

[@alankucar4564]

Why did they decide to add that hideous bump where the camera was supposed to be? If it were lack o space, they should have just do it the way it was done already in the past, making space inwards where the beveled part of the palmrest was, sparing us all that wrist pain with these new models.

[@Burbanana]

Would you be able to recommend a 16 inch with Ryzen 7840 / Core ultra 7 levels that doesn't have a numpad? I only know the Spectre in premium range, I use for development. Thinkpads also have numpads sadly lol. I don't use it as a desktop replacement, hell as a software dev I don't even own numpads!

[@antalpoti]

Quite a bit offtopic, but: - when can we expect video/written review of the XMG Fusion/Core? I'm waiting specifically for your review of it before buying. - when can we expect the Discord server? :D

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

There will be a mobile GPU 2024 overview video quite soon with the 4060 Fusion, amongst others (it's very fast ;) But apparently, it will be a little longer until we get a final review sample. The Discord Server will come soon with channel subscriptions, I just have to sit down and set it all up. I hope I can manage before computex!

[@antalpoti]

@@NotebookcheckReviews alright, thank you for the answer. Have a nice weekend!

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

You too, my man!

[@5k_addy]

I chose the T14 because it’s the only laptop that comes in an OLED variation, has Mobile Intergradation , and comes in 14” all at the same time other than the expensive X1 Carbon.

[@albedoguardian875]

how about p14s gen 5 series? where does it fit in?

[@MrJonas7]

It looks pretty good. Ryzen 8000HS or Intel Ultra with RTX A500 and finally the P14s Gen 5 and T14 Gen 5 reurn to SODIMM RAM. The P14s is a bit thicker and has an RJ45 port, higher power components. Idk about the build differences but it should b similar to T14.

[@bcdragon777]

Dumb question. Are these a good option for using Microsoft word/office all offline? Currently have a Chromebook and I can't use it unless I'm in the browser. Great video, thank you

[@datatran07]

Like to the T16, T14 with core 7 165u and AMD performance and battery life.

[@MUHAMMADAMARHANAFIBINZULKEPLIM]

hyee, may i ask something, should i buy i9 14900hx 4060 or i7 13650hx 4070, i play games and some engineering editing👍🏻

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Well, the 4070 will give you overall better gaming/general GPU performance. That said, the difference between a 4060 and 4070 at similar wattages is only about 10-15%, and if you pair the 4060 with a faster CPU, then the difference can be even smaller depending on the game and resolution. It comes down to price between these two configs, but 4060 systems usually offer a better price-to-performance ratio.

[@jkhuv87t5]

I've been trying to get the X13 with the 7840U and the storm grey color for quite some time now, and right as I was going to buy one, the price suddenly skyrocketed. Pretty upsetting honestly.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Ah damn, that is unfortunate. Maybe you can get some better deal, when they launch a refresh?

[@jkhuv87t5]

​@@NotebookcheckReviewsmaybe, but they did bring the prices back down literally like a few hours after I posted this lol

[@justacitizen111]

Hi, how can you do this review and leave it x1 Carbon?????

[@D-OS_II_Fan]

Is there a review coming for the 2024 legion 7i (not pro). Either on the channel or on the site?

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

You bet, and we will have it on both!

[@D-OS_II_Fan]

@@NotebookcheckReviews Thanks. Your site is the best in the biz :)

[@D-OS_II_Fan]

@@NotebookcheckReviews please check if the supplied 230w power brick is enough or the battery discharges under load.

[@jasonb7870]

Are T14 Gen 1 T480 X1 Carbin Are they good for Video editing and light gaming

[@gafarhere]

no

[@blikblik5713]

Do you have thinkpad p52? I want to buy quadro p2000 version, but idk if it still good in 2024, if you had, can you review it?

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Unfortunately we did not review any recent models of the P52.

[@santiagosuarez8142]

the t14s comes standard with a 300 nits 45%ntsc display, not 100 srgb

[@zaharizahariev]

there’s big stagnation currently may be with the new arm chip things will improve.

[@sathishdj993]

T14 and t14s any different? And which display quality I need to get.

[@mzamroni]

t14 is thicker but has built in ethernet port t14s has better chassis (less plastic) the oled screen usually is not not flicker free. i chose the low power 400 nits non touch

[@vasudevmenon2496]

It seems in Lenovo India you get better screens after opting for windows 11 license and magically you get access to OLED 500 nits True black

[@nicholastoo858]

Great review

[@_rraacccooonn]

My dude, great video. Are you German btw? The kyeboard layout made me curious.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Thanks bud! And yes, I am from germany! :)

[@r3sp3ctall]

Thanks for the great comparison. I am an accountant while the T16 is a great option in terms of screen size and number pad, I am leaning towards T14s because of portability plus I always use external screen. Do you think the T14s gen 3 AMD with 400 nit screen is still relevant? There is a good deal at Lenovo website for that. Thanks

[@Innocentcarbon]

Thanks

[@gerardcoma]

T14 AMD because the T14S comes with soldered ram and you cannot upgrade later

[@RyzenRTX89]

What about thinkpad e14?

[@gogi983]

Neither of thoose, just wait for the T14 gen 5, should be available in next June as anounced. ;)

[@RenataBka]

Lenovo ThinkPad T16 Gen 2 i7 16" 2024 with 32GB and 500 GB SSD that I can upgrade

[@sumitat1]

Super useful video..👍🏻

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

That is awesome to hear! Thank you for watching!

[@Wunnabeanbag]

Bro please do a video of the new Minis Forum V3 paired with GPD G1. Please😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Sure thing ;)

[@Wunnabeanbag]

@@NotebookcheckReviews omg thank you😭🙏🙏

[@abadplanner1]

Such a strong accent. My God.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

What's your nationality? I'm just plain curious.

[@Innocentcarbon]

T16 for me.

[@ashulivechess]

this video confused me The background music and the sound are not on point for me

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

What exactly confused you?

[@lenovouk]

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[@NotebookcheckReviews]

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[@thedarknightnicht]

Why no THinkpad L or E?

[@topspduk]

All these laptops have soldered memory. Not interested.

[@pathf1nd3r]

No high refresh matte displays in 2k devices, you must be joking?

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Might simply not be the focus for the desired audience ...

[@meal_team_six]

"Still easily baggable" was how I met my first wife!

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

:D

[@UCcdTp7XpCkVLkaRCsDcifFg]

P or T

[@2DarkHorizon]

No original lenovo keyboard. You can only choose wrong. However only less wrong.

[@asgnp86]

nice puppies

[@gigamoment]

They are way over-priced

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Is the competition that much more affordable?

[@gigamoment]

@@NotebookcheckReviews Well in Europe all the Thinkpad T/P series are 2,000 euros and above. For that price you can find more affordable laptops with even better specs, for example Asus Zenbook 14 OLED with Core Ultra 7 155H & 32GB & 1TB & OLED 2.5K costs 1,500 euros. Isn't it a better deal than a T14s?

[@ojwh]

No P1? Nooooo,...

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Hopefully soon!

[@Seeker_of_sense]

512 GB storage?? LOL

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

The business folks might not need a lot more ;) And these things are highly customizable; just because we have certain review configs does not mean that it's your only option.

[@vito3266]

We are in 2024 in its time to forget about that crappy red dot on the keyboard ⌨️. Who is using it, honesty?

[@antalpoti]

The trackpoint must not disappear! It has been a staple feature in every ThinkPad since the IBM era. A ThinkPad without the red trackpoint is no ThinkPad.

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

@vito3266 I would be very careful! If you take the trackpoint away, people will go MAD! 🤣

[@xdeama]

Me. And while we’re at it: give me back the third button for scrolling.

[@nikolapecik8256]

Why remove options for users, it can come in handy when the trackpad is not working

[@NotebookcheckReviews]

Especially since it hurts nobody if it's there!