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[@bleskie]

This collab really brings out the best of Fauna and Cici's yapping instincts. We need another collab soon. Green Women forever!

[@Pelashi]

We came dangerously close to crossing the yap event horizon today

[@Schmiddsche]

Green!

[@sletso1]

@@Pelashisoooo chuuni

[@liltunturi1251]

I agree the green ones plus a certain black and white girl with a hashtag on her hair

[@Sayoshigure_]

@@liltunturi1251Days long collab.

[@Lishtenbird]

"Hm? That's it? I thought Ceci would have more tropes up her sleeve..." Ceci: starts unstacking an unending stack of cards to find a more specific version of a trope. "...oh. Nevermind."

[@contrapasta2454]

I think there's a trope like this!

[@Blex_040]

Sounds like the bottomless chest trope :D

[@Shiro_Usagi-01]

​@@Blex_040 Cecilia ches-

[@Blex_040]

@@Shiro_Usagi-01 That one is definitely not bottomless. In fact, it's very fla... *piano falls on head*

[@RrmanRS]

We knew Fauna loved vampires but I didn't realize the brainrot went so deep. This stream was so much fun, thank you for organizing it Ceci 💚

[@ghosty515]

No matter the question the answer is clearly always Vampires lol

[@silentKeys20]

@sim.ulationkoyo You might have a point..

[@naos7995]

Or Lord of the Rings 😆

[@Cat-Daddy]

I mean...obviously! Can you name any work of fiction that would NOT be improved with the addition of vampires??? I'll wait.😂

[@purpleblah2]

Twilight and its consequences on romance tropes

[@Anstreki323]

​@sim.ulationkoyonot really

[@DLan8]

Timestamps for this stream: *_[Tropes]_* 17:19 - Secret Heir (You Are Being Judged) 20:17 - Teenage Mafia Boss/Strongest Character (You are being judged) 21:50 - Genius Character (I eat it yummy) 23:26 - Office Romance (I eat it yummy) 28:54 - Bully Romance (It's there) 33:45 - Trusted Person Last Act Villain (It's there) 36:04 - Who did this to you? (I eat it yummy) 37:18 - Grumpy/Sunshine Couple (I eat it yummy) 40:33 - Fake Dating (It's there) 45:00 - Medieval Fantasy Isekai Setting (Awful. Get it out of my face.) 49:14 - Conflict due to poor communication (Awful. Get it out of my face) 50:39 - Hurt Comfort (I eat it yummy) 52:25 - Insta Love (Awful. Get it out of my face) 56:43 - Enemies to Lovers (I'll consume just for you) 59:12 - Past Connection (It's there) 1:02:27 - Corruption Arc (I eat it yummy) 1:03:09 - Love Triangle (Awful. Get it out of my face.) 1:05:22 - Reincarnation/Regression (It's there) 1:06:29 - Mutual Pining (It's there) 01:10:12 - There's only one bed (I eat it yummy) 1:11:30 - Amnesia (You are being judged) 1:15:42 - The Reluctant Hero (It's there) 1:19:16 - Knife to the throat scene (I eat it yummy) 1:24:55 - Chosen One (It's there) 1:30:31 - The Makeover Scene (Awful. Get it out of my face) 1:33:35 - Training Montage (It's there) 1:33:51 - Forced Proximity Romance (I eat it yummy) 1:35:41 - Will They / Won't they (I eat it yummy) 1:39:01 - It's always been you (It's there) 1:41:06 - Main Cast is Elite (You are being judged) 1:44:07 - Redemption Arc (It's there) 1:45:57 - Boarding School/University Setting (It's there) 1:47:59 - Haters to Lovers (I'll consume just for you) 1:52:18 - Heists (It's there) 1:56:12 - Friends to Lovers (It's there) 1:59:55 - Revenge Plot (It's there) 2:02:01 - Tied up POVs (I eat it yummy) 2:05:01 - Slow Burn (I eat it yummy) 2:08:04 - Quest Plot (Unranked) 2:11:04 - Marriage of Convenience (You are being judged) 2:12:24 - Found Family (I eat it yummy) 2:14:07 - One of us is famous (Awful. Get it out of my face) 2:16:02 - Childhood friends to lovers (It's there) 2:16:44 - Academic Rivals to Lovers (It's there) 2:18:03 - Clumsy Love (It's there) 2:21:21 - Dead Character Saves the Day (You are being judged) 2:22:39 - I hate everyone but you (I'll consume just for you) 2:23:30 - Fated Mates (It's there) 2:28:33 - Darkness/Light Power Couple (I eat it yummy) 2:29:30 - Poor/Rich Couple (You are being judged) 2:30:29 - The Mentor (I'll consume just for you) 2:31:56 - Anti-Hero MC (It's there) 2:33:18 - Magical School (I'll consume just for you) 2:35:29 - Hero Loses Powers (It's there) 2:38:03 - Teasing Romance (I'll consume just for you) 2:39:06 - Vampires (FF Tier: Fauna's favorite) *_[Stream Timestamps]_* 0:46 - Ceci Intro 1:06 - Enter Ceci and Fauna 1:49 - 'It's alright' is holding back... 2:08 ⤷ Ears are bleeding... It's no problem... 2:39 - Spiiiin to win! 2:53 ⤷ Ceci has 2 spin speeds 3:23 ⤷ This is lore. Only real Ceci fans can tell which is which! 3:44 ⤷ Fauna takes the quiz! Right on! 4:00 - Together today as GREEN! 4:34 - Make tierlist of tropes today! 5:03 ⤷ Mid = it's there. 5:33 - Tier naming E: You're being judged! 7:00 - D: Awful. Out of my face! 7:31 ⤷ Swapping D and E tier names... 7:42 - Fauna uses Clip Studio, not Photoshop 8:03 - Ceci's off-center problem with Photoshop 9:28 - Cursor visible! 9:38 - B: I eat it yummy 10:37 - A: I'll consume, just for you 11:18 - Fauna talks about TV Tropes 11:40 ⤷ Holomems TVTropes 12:01 ⤷ Ceci's pitch to guess a member by their trope 12:21 ⤷ Looking at Ceci's TVTropes 12:55 - Fauna asks Ceci about MBTI; Ceci's keep changing 13:12 ⤷ People argue about celebs on them... 13:23 ⤷ Ceci's seen shipping videos... of the personality types! 14:03 ⤷ Fauna's an INFJ! 14:22 ⤷ Ceci's keeps getting ENFP or ENFJ 14:32 ⤷ Ceci's a bit of both an introvert and extrovert 15:10 ⤷ Fauna's an introvert that gets lonely easily 15:21 ⤷ Fauna'd like someone to sit around and be quiet with 15:47 ⤷ Ceci's loneliness levels 16:21 - There's a difference b/w shy and introvert 16:33 ⤷ Ceci gets overwhelmed by huge crowds 17:19 - *_Secret Heir_* 17:44 ⤷ Ceci gives an example from Star Wars 18:36 ⤷ Fauna only likes the trope in otome games if it's the protag 18:50 ⤷ Ceci agrees, doesn't like it when it's revealed at the very end. 19:41 ⤷ Rank: You Are Being Judged 19:47 ⤷ ...Except if it was me! 20:17 - *_Teenage Mafia Boss/Strongest Character_* 20:19 ⤷ Applies to Harry Potter, OPM? 20:59 ⤷ They're like the stuff that should've happened thought in shower 21:34 ⤷ Rank: You are being judged. 21:50 - *_Genius Character_* 21:55 ⤷ Fauna was a big L fan. Ceci liked the sitting pose... 22:38 ⤷ Ceci likes eyebags on character. 22:49 ⤷ Ceci read a book where someone didn't get what photographic memory is. 23:15 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 23:26 - *_Office Romance_* 23:28 ⤷ Fauna can only think of the Office; Ceci's only seen clips 23:42 ⤷ Ceci struggles with cringe comedy 23:56 ⤷ Fauna suggests Nathan For You 24:09 ⤷ Ceci can't watch people messing up handshakes. Physical pain... 25:14 ⤷ Fauna's opinion on the Pam romance 25:55 ⤷ Rereading old shojo manga... 26:43 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 26:50 ⤷ Are there other pairings in The Office? 27:24 ⤷ Everyone's weird. 27:46 ⤷ The show is quintessential millenial humor! 28:45 ⤷ THE Office romance. 28:54 - *_Bully Romance_* 29:05 ⤷ Ceci's not a fan. Likes bickering... but it needs redemption. 29:31 ⤷ Fauna's objection! 30:08 ⤷ They need to be treated like a princess at the end! Nagataro's the other side of it! 30:33 ⤷ You need to be a bit of a maso/sado 30:57 - Does is belong to It's there? 31:29 ⤷ Ceci likes when it's on equal grounds. Feels bad if the person is weak. 31:55 ⤷ Kaichou wa maid-sama is Fauna's favorite example 32:27 ⤷ Fauna likes it when they're being picked on for cute things (teasing) 33:05 ⤷ Rank: It's there 33:45 - *_Trusted Person Last Act Villain_* 34:20 ⤷ Fauna can't think of any examples... 35:07 ⤷ Ceci enjoys when it's foreshadowed and makes sense. 35:46 ⤷ Rank: It's there 36:04 - *_Who did this to you?_* 36:31 ⤷ Both agree; Rank: I eat it yummy 37:18 - *_Grumpy/Sunshine Couple_* 37:59 ⤷ Both like it, Ceci adds that she likes when the girl's the grumpy one. 38:47 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 39:01 ⤷ It's overdone... but it's everything! 39:39 ⤷ It's neat when the grumpy one gets more positive, to the sunshine 40:33 - *_Fake Dating_* 41:14 ⤷ Fauna's first impression of the trope 42:06 ⤷ Ceci gives an example of a webtoon she likes w/ it 42:39 ⤷ Lots of forced proximity... 43:23 ⤷ Ceci talks about The Proposal; KEN! 44:46 ⤷ Rank: It's there 45:00 - *_Medieval Fantasy Isekai Setting_* 45:03 ⤷ Can't read shojo in the last 5 years without it... 45:55 ⤷ Fauna LOVES fantasy. Why's everything isekai?! 46:37 ⤷ Ceci hates when the isekai bits of isekai get usused after the start 47:17 ⤷ This is quantity over quality... 47:58 ⤷ The funny thing about fantasy: Reusing stock images 48:31 ⤷ Rank: Awful. Get it out of my face. 48:54 ⤷ ACTUAL Fantasy have way better worldbuilding 49:14 - *_Conflict due to poor communication_* 49:17 ⤷ Both agree that they hate it. 49:33 ⤷ The frustration... 50:12 ⤷ Rank: Awful. Get it out of my face 50:39 - *_Hurt Comfort_* 51:01 ⤷ Both like angst; it shows how they act together 51:41 ⤷ Fauna talks Ouran High School 52:15 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 52:25 - *_Insta Love_* 52:47 ⤷ It's shallow... 52:59 ⤷ Ceci asks Fauna if she's seen Twilight from Edwards perspective 53:06 ⤷ Fauna read it when it was a leaked PDF 53:18 ⤷ Ceci explains what happened 54:26 ⤷ Ceci asks Fauna to imagine Twilight with a natural romance 55:01 ⤷ Fauna can't imagine it... 56:16 ⤷ Rank: Awful. Get it out of my face 56:28 - Ceci actually loves trash 56:43 - *_Enemies to Lovers_* 56:59 ⤷ This isn't HATING 57:23 - Rank: I'll consume just for you 57:31 ⤷ There has to be a risk of death for this. 57:40 ⤷ Ceci can't think of an example... 58:23 ⤷ Fauna loves vampire x vampire stuff 58:43 ⤷ Ceci likes when they work together to deal with a bigger common enemy / Spy 59:12 - *_Past Connection_* 59:19 ⤷ A fated thing 1:00:07 ⤷ Fauna gives an example of what pgt her/ 1:00:23 ⤷ Ceci asks if it's literal fate / Jacob and the baby 1:00:44 ⤷ Mates... Phrasing... Fauna hates it. 1:01:58 - Rank: It's there 1:02:07 ⤷ Ceci likes it when it's used to move the plot on 1:02:27 - *_Corruption Arc_* 1:02:33 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 1:02:51 ⤷ Loves when hero realizes they're on wrong side 1:03:09 - *_Love Triangle_* 1:03:15 ⤷ Fauna gets sad; There's better ways to add tension 1:03:35 ⤷ You ALWAYS know who's first lead. 1:03:57 ⤷ Ceci getting blindsided in another by the second lead winning 1:04:23 ⤷ Fauna talking how the least favorite pairing sometimes is canon 1:04:32 ⤷ Ceci talks about second lead syndrome 1:05:16 ⤷ Rank: Awful. Get it out of my face. 1:05:22 - *_Reincarnation/Regression_* 1:05:22 ⤷ Ceci explains Regression 1:05:56 ⤷ Ceci's opinion is she only likes it when the knowledge gets fully used 1:06:23 - Rank: It's there 1:06:29 - *_Mutual Pining_* 1:06:56 ⤷ It's alright...? 1:07:31 ⤷ It's better with something in between them. 1:07:40 ⤷ Rank: It's there 1:08:15 ⤷ One sided pining where one just doesn't realize it? 1:08:35 ⤷ Talking about one sided, can't admit it 1:08:53 ⤷ Fauna's awfully specific example 1:09:28 ⤷ Ceci enjoys Denial 01:10:12 - *_There's only one bed_* 01:10:22 ⤷ Ceci loves when it makes no sense 1:11:11 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy

[@DLan8]

1:11:30 - *_Amnesia_* 1:11:43 ⤷ Fauna thinks it's lazily used. 1:12:14 ⤷ Ceci talks about Code Geass 1:12:43 ⤷ ENReco is different. It's cinema! 1:13:12 ⤷ Talking about Vampire Knight 1:14:11 ⤷ It's fine if it's at the start; bad later all. Like Witcher... 1:15:29 ⤷ Rank: You are being judged 1:15:42 - *_The Reluctant Hero_* 1:15:54 ⤷ Like Frodo? 1:16:12 ⤷ It's frustrating if they keep whining 1:16:42 ⤷ Ceci talks the Hunger Games 1:17:59 ⤷ Rank: It's there 1:18:24 ⤷ Ceci hasn't seen Eva; Fauna explains watch order, will see Code Geass if Ceci watches Eva 1:19:16 - *_Knife to the throat scene_* 1:19:39 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 1:19:48 ⤷ It can be cringe... but mostly good. 1:20:27 ⤷ Ceci hasn't played BG3; Fauna and Ceci never finished Vampire Knight 1:21:08 ⤷ Ceci explains the ending summary she read 1:23:20 ⤷ Vampire knight was one of the first anime Fauna watched as anime 1:24:18 ⤷ Both sing the OP; Ceci watched the DE dub 1:24:55 - *_Chosen One_* 1:25:27 ⤷ It's very common; can be good. 1:25:59 ⤷ It's fine at the start; dislike it later 1:26:28 ⤷ Cheering for an underdog... 1:27:05 ⤷ It's also good when the Chosen One's not that strong 1:27:43 ⤷ Rank: It's there 1:27:48 ⤷ It's bad in isekai shonen 1:28:15 ⤷ Pikachu in shambles... the chosen one! 1:29:10 ⤷ Ceci's off, Fauna stalls, asks if any ranks were wrong 1:29:52 ⤷ Ceci pops back in 1:30:31 - *_The Makeover Scene_* 1:30:44 ⤷ It's... complicated. / Fauna talks Princess Jellyfish 1:32:13 ⤷ In k-dramas it's an outfit thing 1:32:34 ⤷ Is it only love when both are dressed up? 1:32:54 ⤷ If they only like you after the makeover... No! 1:33:15 ⤷ Rank: Awful. Get it out of my face 1:33:35 - *_Training Montage_* 1:33:42 ⤷ Rank: It's there 1:33:51 - *_Forced Proximity Romance_* 1:34:14 ⤷ Ceci talks about Gakuen Alice 1:34:51 ⤷ Two people settling differences? And then stay? 10/10 1:35:03 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 1:35:41 - *_Will They / Won't they_* 1:36:00 ⤷ If it's tsundere, yes. 1:36:12 ⤷ Otherwise... Ceci OBJECTION! 1:36:19 ⤷ Ever read one that they WON'T? 1:36:21 ⤷ Isn't Ouran like that? 1:37:09 ⤷ Spy x Family's like this. 1:37:23 ⤷ All romance is like this? 1:37:49 ⤷ 2016 movie... Pacific Rim! 1:38:42 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 1:39:01 - *_It's always been you_* 1:39:06 ⤷ Is this... the mates one? 1:39:31 ⤷ This is childhood friends who didn't see it that way till later 1:40:19 - Rank: It's there 1:41:06 - *_Main Cast is Elite_* 1:41:18 ⤷ No underdogs 1:41:35 ⤷ The Boys... if it wasn't like The Boys 1:42:41 ⤷ Vampire Knight but only purebloods 1:43:11 ⤷ You need contrast! 1:43:44 ⤷ Rank: You are being judged 1:44:07 - *_Redemption Arc_* 1:44:25 ⤷ Fauna on Zuko 1:45:13 ⤷ Fauna's conflicted, Homura's a favorite 1:45:48 ⤷ Rank: It's there 1:45:57 - *_Boarding School/University Setting_* 1:46:02 ⤷ If it's a vampire academy... 1:46:31 ⤷ They should add vampires... 1:46:56 ⤷ It's an easy setting. 1:47:56 ⤷ Rank: It's there 1:47:59 - *_Haters to Lovers_* 1:48:18 ⤷ Ceci loves it ALL. Bickering is fun! 1:48:37 ⤷ Bicker vs B00li 1:49:15 ⤷ Pinned to wall? B00li. 1:50:01 - Ceci Working... / Kamisama Kiss singing 1:50:47 ⤷ Adding Teasing Romance 1:51:33 ⤷ Rank: I'll consume just for you 1:51:46 ⤷ Taking about enemies vs haters diffference 1:52:18 - *_Heists_* 1:52:34 ⤷ Finding a team, executing it 1:53:05 ⤷ Ceci asking Fauna to sell National Treasure to her 1:53:38 ⤷ Fauna's confused... / 6 of Crows 1:54:30 ⤷ Fauna's reading One Dark Window 1:55:34 ⤷ Rank: It's there 1:56:01 - Speen to win? That's Ceci's line! 1:56:12 - *_Friends to Lovers_* 1:56:28 ⤷ This is... Vanilla. 1:57:17 ⤷ Dynamic has to carry a lot. 1:57:51 ⤷ Rank: It's there 1:58:36 ⤷ Thinking of anime examples... 1:59:00 ⤷ Fauna's coming around to the Rat in Fruits Basket / Momzoned 1:59:55 - *_Revenge Plot_* 2:00:29 ⤷ Fauna'd like it in a yandere thing; pure revenge 2:01:04 ⤷ Works only in fantasy... not so much contemporary 2:01:36 ⤷ Rank: It's there 2:02:01 - *_Tied up POVs_* 2:02:08 ⤷ Rope...? 2:02:30 ⤷ They start to grow tied to each other 2:02:53 ⤷ Fauna talks about Odd Taxi 2:03:33 ⤷ Ceci talks Resident Evil 6, campaign overlap 2:04:47 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 2:05:01 - *_Slow Burn_* 2:05:12 ⤷ Lots of shojo is like this. 2:05:37 ⤷ Fauna likes the before they get together 2:06:09 ⤷ Fauna's problem with Skyrim romances 2:07:27 ⤷ General idea is good, leads to pining 2:07:42 ⤷ The climax can be very satisfying if done right 2:07:52 - Rank: I eat it yummy 2:08:04 - *_Quest Plot_* 2:08:26 ⤷ LOTR talk 2:08:49 ⤷ Fauna asks for clarification 2:09:03 ⤷ Ceci explains how the plot is centered around a singular quest 2:09:38 ⤷ Frieren counts! 2:10:20 ⤷ What ISN'T a quest plot? / Unranking it 2:11:04 - *_Marriage of Convenience_* 2:11:08 ⤷ Kinda like fake dating 2:11:25 ⤷ Fauna likes if there's an arranged marriage and they defy it 2:11:54 ⤷ It's a cheap plot device... 2:12:22 ⤷ Rank: You are being judged 2:12:24 - *_Found Family_* 2:12:30 ⤷ It's comfy! 2:12:45 ⤷ Sometimes it's better than the romance 2:13:01 ⤷ Ceci's favorite examples 2:13:54 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 2:14:07 - *_One of us is famous_* 2:14:13 ⤷ This was everything from 2006-2016; Most One Direction fics 2:14:36 ⤷ What's the difference between them?! 2:15:03 ⤷ Being treated as normal is the main reason for them liking them 2:15:27 ⤷ What is she? A peanut allergy?! 2:15:40 ⤷ Rank: Awful. Get it out of my face 2:16:02 - *_Childhood friends to lovers_* 2:16:09 ⤷ It's whatever... Can be nice to see since they usually lose 2:16:41 ⤷ Rank: It's there 2:16:44 - *_Academic Rivals to Lovers_* 2:16:49 ⤷ The rivalry is fun! 2:17:23 ⤷ Light and L... 2:18:00 ⤷ Rank: It's there 2:18:03 - *_Clumsy Love_* 2:18:16 ⤷ Examples... Jesse and James? 2:19:04 ⤷ Do they ever succeed? 2:19:32 ⤷ Ceci talks about a webtoon 2:19:57 ⤷ Fauna realizes all her favorites are teasing/hating the other 2:20:43 ⤷ Fauna's heart... cold and dead. 2:21:12 ⤷ Rank: It's there 2:21:21 - *_Dead Character Saves the Day_* 2:21:27 ⤷ Assumed death, like Gandalf! 2:21:59 ⤷ Worst when it's a copout 2:22:29 ⤷ Rank: You are being judged 2:22:39 - *_I hate everyone but you_* 2:22:45 ⤷ Rank: I'll consume just for you 2:22:55 ⤷ Has to be HATE in contemporary 2:23:30 - *_Fated Mates_* 2:23:38 ⤷ Fauna doesn't remember this... Dislikes the name, likes it 2:23:57 ⤷ Ceci Objection! Dislikes it because no agency. 2:24:50 ⤷ Fauna's rebuttal 2:25:19 ⤷ Could Bella be like anyone else? 2:25:49 ⤷ Fauna's objection! Anyone can self insert! 2:26:14 ⤷ No matter your flaws, Edward would love you! 2:26:53 ⤷ Ceci's ideal situation for the writing 2:27:59 ⤷ Agreeing to disagree / Rank: It's there 2:28:33 - *_Darkness/Light Power Couple_* 2:28:51 ⤷ Yin/Yang, opposites attract 2:29:06 ⤷ It's gotten too prevalent... 2:29:24 ⤷ Rank: I eat it yummy 2:29:30 - *_Poor/Rich Couple_* 2:29:33 ⤷ Peak k-drama... 2:29:53 ⤷ It's overdone. 2:30:26 ⤷ Rank: You are being judged 2:30:29 - *_The Mentor_* 2:30:36 ⤷ Iroh! 2:30:58 ⤷ It's rarely done badly. Better if they're a little flawed too 2:31:33 ⤷ Rank: I'll consume just for you 2:31:56 - *_Anti-Hero MC_* 2:32:06 ⤷ It can be cool... 2:32:27 ⤷ What's an anti-hero? 2:33:05 ⤷ Rank: It's there 2:33:18 - *_Magical School_* 2:33:33 ⤷ Ceci tallks about Gakuen Alice 2:34:16 ⤷ It can be like Witch Hat Atlier, group learning too 2:34:31 ⤷ Rank: I'll consume just for you 2:34:35 ⤷ Vampire School? Magical School! 2:35:29 - *_Hero Loses Powers_* 2:35:39 ⤷ MHA was the opposite, so it's not really... 2:36:27 ⤷ Video game arcs with them... 2:36:38 ⤷ Fauna talks about Okami 2:37:18 ⤷ Sacrifices are good. Or if they want to live a normal life! 2:37:52 ⤷ Rank: It's there 2:38:03 - *_Teasing Romance_* 2:38:11 ⤷ Fauna consumed EVERYTHING with it 2:38:44 ⤷ Teasing each other is cute too. 2:38:56 ⤷ Rank: I'll consume just for you 2:39:06 - *_Vampires_* 2:39:13 ⤷ Needs its own tier. 2:39:54 ⤷ FF Tier: Fauna's favorite! 2:40:22 ⤷ Freaking Fabulous, Fantastic Fauna, Final Fauna? 2:40:34 ⤷ Ceci likes them... but that much? 2:40:42 ⤷ Fauna's Objection! 2:40:47 ⤷ All the highest tiers combine in the vampire trope! 2:41:50 ⤷ Ceci'll concede 2:42:07 ⤷ Tierlist complete. 2:42:17 ⤷ Fauna's happy with it. Mostly agreed on! 2:42:53 ⤷ Maidens hearts... 2:43:57 A Court of Thrones and Roses... Ceci's tirade 2:45:59 ⤷ Just start at Book 2. Get rid of the Love Triangle... 2:46:58 ⤷ Imagine if they fell for each other naturally! 2:47:48 ⤷ Breakup should've been handled different. 2:48:29 ⤷ The gauntlet... a riddle to get out was SO EASY! 2:49:13 ⤷ The genre jump... 2:50:30 ⤷ Thanks for yapping! 2:50:49 ⤷ Bye!

[@starwarsfamilyguy0]

@@DLan8 arigato

[@vonithgale7539]

Legend

[@awilson5684]

Thank you for your service

[@SerenityNow39]

I knew green women collab would be good but this exceeded my expectations big time. Their combined yapping powers were incredible and I was surprised how similar their tastes ended up being. Laughed and smiled the whole way through. One of the best tier list streams ever. Thanks for an amazing stream. 💚💚

[@ラール-h8f]

Fauna is right. The Office would've been so much better if Jim was a vampire.

[@timmy3982]

There was that one episode where he pretended to be to prank Dwight

[@zafurz2508]

@@timmy3982 dwight the vampire slayer

[@hypercube8735]

The Office but Vampires? Are you describing What We Do In The Shadows?

[@Silly_Buns]

a wonderful combination of two things i love, green vtubers and trashy shoujo romance 💚

[@py-3366]

This might be my most favourite collab stream this year. I was giggling like an anime school girl listening to this on the train ride back from work. Stress instantly gone!

[@silentKeys20]

I was smirking nonstop mid work 😂

[@screamingOctahedron]

green woman collab? I CONSUME IT, yummy stream thank you

[@JustChiaki]

After all that, I would for sure say the first green-on-green collab was a rousing success 💚💚

[@Firemind96]

The stream was YAP YAP YAP spoilers YAP YAP YAP spoilers and I loved every second of it

[@C.Fanbert]

Tier lists always feel like a Fauna classic so it was awesome seeing the two green girls of Hololive make an especially unhinged one together! GREEN love💚

[@glasses2926]

56:52 "enemies to lovers" *entire chat explodes into exclamations of "PEAK"* I'm glad to see that some good taste is universal

[@JanitorScruffy]

The guy in chat who's example was "sly cooper and Carmelita" sent me.

[@Bleinsfield]

Amazing stream. Fauna activating every time vampires or yandere stuff came up, Cece bringing the salt for the bad tropes, and all the rants and yaps from both like the ACOTAR ones at the end were incredible. Also shoutout to chat like "how about some yuri tropes!!!" the whole time I feel that 💖 I hope we get more green collabs!! 💚💚

[@adrikbert]

Greenest collab of 2024! I loved it when Fauna and Ceci yapped and Ceci was left wheezing it was a delight to hear such joy from you two. I think you two really hit it off, I dare say. Gimme more!

[@TakitowSpice]

The strongest yapper in history vs the strongest yapper of today.

[@foolishlyfoolishfool5747]

Green women collab truly is peak. Definitely belongs in the “I’ll consume just for you” tier.

[@AdrianMartinezVilla]

After watching this stream, I think we can conclude that Fauna really likes vampires Their chemistry as green girls was amazing, I hope we can see more collabs with these two

[@kirbyjoe7484]

I had hoped CC and Fauna would do a collab sometime. Their chemistry was even better than expected. CC is proof that the special sauce that Hololive has been needing to top their amazing cast of EN comedians is a couple of fun good-natured extroverts. I think Biboo is another great example of just how good it has been for the EN branch to debut new, easy-going, sociable talents who actively seek out and enjoy collabing with others. Both Justice and Advent have not only been great gens in and of themselves, they have helped breath new life into some of the older gens. We've seen so many new and innovative collabs since the debut of these new gens.

[@yonodetsu]

The giggles, the noises, the vibes, and the discussion was incredibly fun. Green collab is peak.💚💚 Thank you both for the stream!

[@Kuroiglint]

Tags for this stream: 07:20 Fauna amazed by CC's chart rearrangement skills 10:21 CC finishes the tier descriptions 14:01 CC the first extrovert in Hololive 19:53 Trope: Teenage Mafia Boss / Strongest character 21:29 Trope: Genious character 22:23 CC likes eyebacks on characters 23:03 Trope: office romance 23:31 Fauna likes cringe comedy 28:28 Trope: Bully romance 33:31 Trope: trusted person was actually a villian 35:43 Trope: Who did this to you? 36:57 Trope: Grumpy / Sunshine couple 40:05 Trope: fake dating 45:14 Trope: Isekai 48:58 Trope: conflict due to poor communication 50:18 Trope: Hurt comforting 52:46 Trope: Insta love 56:21 Trope: Enemies to lovers 58:54 Trope: Past connection 1:02:07 Trope: Hero corruption 1:02:46 Trope: Love triangle 1:05:21 Trope: reincarnation 1:06:20 Trope: mutual pining 1:09:55 Trope: There's only one bed! 1:11:05 Trope: Amnesia 1:15:18 Trope: The reluctant Hero 1:18:52 Trope: Knife to the throat scene 1:24:33 Trope: chosen one 1:30:22 Trope: the makeover scene 1:33:53 Trope: forced proximity romance 1:35:23 Trope: Will they / won't they 1:38:42 Trope: It's always been you! 1:40:49 Trope: Main cast is "elite" 1:43:47 Trope: redemption arc 1:45:41 Trope: Boarding school / university setting 1:47:41 Trope: Haters to lovers 1:52:01 Trope: Heists (thieves) 1:55:57 Trope: Friends to lovers 1:59:27 Trope: revenge plot 2:01:38 Trope: Tied up POVs 2:04:37 Trope: Slow burn 2:07:36 Trope: Quest Plot 2:10:42 Trope: Marriage of convenience 2:12:00 Trope: Found family 2:13:39 Trope: One of us is famous! 2:15:44 Trope: Childhood friends to lovers 2:16:27 Trope: Academic rivals to lovers 2:17:41 Trope: Clumsy love 2:21:04 Trope: Dead character saves the day 2:22:18 Trope: I hate everyone but you 2:23:10 Trope: Fated mates 2:28:13 Trope: Darkness / Light Powercouple 2:29:10 Trope: Poor / Rich couple 2:30:11 Trope: The Mentor 2:31:39 Trope: Anti Hero MC 2:32:53 Trope: Magical School 2:35:09 Trope: Hero looses powers 2:37:38 Trope: Teasing romance 2:38:41 Trope: Vampires

[@rowest42]

wow, thanks 👍

[@Doople]

Thanks. The vampire brain rot runs deep. Haven't heard vampire love this strong since nerrisa played Baludr's Gate 3

[@KenkenLH]

Thx man, really appreciated as a vod enjoyer

[@cyb0nics]

2:43:51 Spicy Book Talk! A Court of Thorns and Roses

[@MackieLevyn]

OF ALL THINGS YOU DIDNT LINK THE STREAM START TIME

[@TownspersonB]

I have to watch the first 1/2 as a VOD, but managed to catch the second 1/2 live, and absolutely loved it. I need more of these Green Tea Gremlins 💚

[@Monteasel]

Green yapping collab went by real quick, I could listen to this for hours. Love the dynamic between you two💚💚

[@seemslikely-]

Thanks for the stream, Cecilia and Fauna! Your chemistry together is non-stop fun! Green lady power! 💚 Overall, a respectable list you've made together. I feel like there should be a sequel stream where you two try to write some fiction that fulfills all your favorite tropes!

[@Saphust]

sapling here! Love the yapping of the green ladies

[@NargusJynk]

What a fantastic Collab, it was funny watching CC and Otomos reaction to Fauna love for vampires 😂 also, thanks CC for making the tier list.

[@fwori]

We finally got THE GREEN collab!

[@Asta-V5]

They work really good together.. Greatest hater meets greatest believer. Professional yappers.

[@silentKeys20]

Unstoppable force meets immovable object 😂

[@sleipnir_8364]

green to green communication. full of intelligent and nuanced yapping.

[@hantakorys]

The long awaited green collab was everything I expected!

[@_Jeff_S]

Amazing collab, the banter was great! As expected, the green synergy is off the charts!

[@MisterVeeg]

This, too, is Vampire Knight (somehow) Joking, was a fun collab! Glad to have a set of green ladies with very similar thoughts on tropes like these

[@Sap-tomo]

I must consume more collabs like this! The green ladies collab was both dangerous and healthy for me. Thank you for today!

[@xanderitsme]

Wow green ladies can really yap for many hours 💚 What a great collab thanks CC and Fauna

[@garlanramadhan4291]

this is top tier discussion. I love you guys' yapping!

[@RafaelSiruha]

Man I Love Green Woman

[@frizzirollo]

MILGW

[@Godouuu]

Thanks for the green collab! I consume it

[@Zannmaster-2]

Green together strong! 💚 I think at some point Fauna has to tell us just exactly why she loves vampires so much.😂 Thanks for the fun stream today!

[@creatingremlezar]

Luv green women. Simple as. 💚

[@avglover5]

This was a hilarious idea, thank you for putting this together and inviting Fauna for a GREEN collab! 💚💚

[@Sumcaker]

A nice well-rounded tier list! Might need to add vampires to each trope to get a true representation however. Thanks both for the great yapping!

[@endystarboy647]

Thanks Cecilia and Fauna for the GREEN collab!

[@heikoy]

34:12 this trope can work if the twist impacts the three characteristics that make a twist memorable. How the audience feels, how the characters feels, how the themes have changed because of the twist.

[@hehashivemind6111]

What an incredible stream! I only caught the second half of it but I’m glad I was there. I loved this. Please more literary streams!!

[@Monolich0]

Absolute peak yappa stream this was. Based opinions across the board with the exception of the Anti-hero MC one, heroic actions through unsavory methods is a great set up for an engaging character and I consume that hard The rants were amazing all around, seeing people get so passionate about trope stuff like this is so funny I wouldn't mind seeing more of you and Fauna together, you both vibe really well tbh Thank you for the stream, Cece

[@Biosquid239]

Thanks for the stream today Cici! This collab was really fun and somewhat unhinged in the best ways possible, hope you do more GREEN collabs in the future this really was great 💚💚💚 (the middle heart is for fauna)

[@NovelKnightSirK]

I loved the Green collab! I missed some parts because of work, which I now caught up on, it was a lot of fun watching you two discuss tropes! It made me reflect on the tropes I hadn't realized were in some of the media I like.

[@fry3k578]

green collab peak collab, this was so much fun! your insights and discussions were so nice to listen to, you synergize so well together, this was everything i hoped it would be and even better 💚💚💚💚

[@shamebegone]

I love this silly green power couple

[@knicklichtjedi]

I personally read material with maybe half of the tropes, but oh boy was that an enjoyable watch! I know both of you like to talk on your own, but somehow here you multiplied together instead of being additive! So good!

[@SariusxX]

I relate to having trouble watching cringe comedy. If you end up watching The Office, Cecilia, know that the first season is pretty tough to get through, but I think it's worth it. It's only six episodes, and you get rewarded with a really wholesome, human, and funny story. 💚 Thanks for the awesome collab!

[@cyb0nics]

You should genuinely give Nathan 4 You a watch because it's cringe comedy to its highest extent. I struggle with it too, but I won't lie. It was fun putting my hands over my eyes and nervously laughing.

[@SariusxX]

@cyb0nics I'll check it out, thank you!

[@noblewolf8232]

This yapping of these two is so good! Please more this, CC, Fauna.

[@cainiam5075]

Thanks for the yapping stream with Fauna, Ceci! It was a lot of fun listening to you while working a bit!

[@goosezero9101]

Thanks for the yapping you two!

[@Baalthazzar]

The two reveals of the endless trope card stacks caught me off guard something fierce... Peak yapping stream.

[@starkiller99]

My favorite green ladiies talking about anime tropes is absolutely peak. Really glad CC pushed Fauna to watch Code Geass. That's my favorite anime of all time and feels like it's underappreciated to a degree. I think Fauna will love it. I love relating to your views on all these anime. The extra color for Vampire Knight was great since I never read the manga. Had the same roller coaster of feelings for that one that CC did lol. More streams like this 😄

[@bungusloo]

Just watched the vod, this stream concept is PEAK. Pls I need more 😢😊

[@Esca_Ch]

CC, please, we need more of your yap streams with Fauna 😫

[@Helioglyph]

When Fauna said in the Host Club collab' that her type was the kind of person who works break her heart into pieces and stomp it into the ground she really wasn't lying.

[@Yuki-senpaii]

Absolute peak content, these green ladies are such incredible connoisseurs of romance novels! A green lady book club would be so fantastic!

[@TrollOmnipotence]

This whole yap session was a blessing. As a TVTropes enjoyer myself, this was very comfy and enjoyable to watch their stances on some of the common tropes used in works of fiction and media. As for Enemies to lovers, I perhaps guess they haven't watched any gundam series. There's a few of those there, including adversion of it. But first comes to mind, Is Shirou and Aina from 08th MS Team. Thanks for the green tea 🍵 enjoyers trope tier list collab ! I eat it YUMMY

[@ripedevilfruit]

y'all are my favorites and seeing you both yap about shojo/story tropes in general was so great 💚 love y'all, hope you do another collab soon

[@snoozingobake]

I love me some yapping green ladies 💚 This was the perfect first 1-on-1 collab for you two lol

[@Shadow_Lifeman]

Thanks for the stream you two! This was so much fun. The back and forth was amazing, I hope we can have more collabs between you two.

[@unownnnn]

Think we need another collab in the future to finish that heated conversation at the end As expected green woman collab was amazing

[@Yeenuu]

I could listen to Ceci and Fauna yap about anything for an unholy amount of time. This was really fun, thank-you!

[@Ahhthur]

I vote for green yap queens for the Consume tier. I just finished this first episode and now I need the next one. Definitive S tier

[@bear4358]

Da Greens Yapper is now my new favorite podcast

[@meisterl0]

This needs to be a series 🙏 More Green tier list in the future 💚💚

[@Bronsons]

This was an awesome stream. I love to see two people hit it off like this.

[@gamerguy425]

I missed the live but I am psyched to see our first direct GREEN LADIES collab!

[@Shoeboxjeddy]

Green Ladies yapping about the silliest stuff imaginable? That's S-tier, we eat it up, yumyumyum. (It was increasingly funny how Fauna went from "Vampire Knight was pretty good," to "MY LIFE IS VAMPIRE KNIGHT!" the longer the conversation went on).

[@Nolzhan]

ngl I was completely blindsided by the depth of fauna's vampire brainrot i love it

[@wah.]

This was one of the most fun stream and I learned a lot about tropes! とてもたのしかったです！

[@onled1]

These 2 are actually a great match. I would love to see another trope stream

[@michael1991123]

Absolute CINEMA. The stream. 10/10 will buy at the box office again

[@JeffCJY]

This really brings me back to my shojou anime/manga phase. Thanks for the stream.

[@WillHouldy]

Could listen to these 2 chat about anything and everything. Quite an educational stream, feel like we've all learnt a lot today. Thanks for the stream.

[@askatamvan1054]

The first time I watched the stream fully from start to the end without looking at other things. It's just so fun to hear you yap together with fauna 💚

[@brenduck]

I put this VOD off for a while because I'm terrible at managing time, but I love collabs like this! One-off niche things that only a handful of members would be versed enough in to truly maximize the content potential. I mostly agreed with the list (but I don't know if I agree on the "I hate everyone but you" trope If it's more of a "you're the only one I'm comforted by and everyone else makes me unhappy" thing then I agree, but _hate_ I don't know so much). Thanks for the fun stream! OtsuGreen

[@nicholasleroy5453]

God this discussion made me realize that I really love when one lead is trying to understand love, and the 2nd lead walks them through it

[@Eiji475]

Cecilia "Not a Hater" Immergreen but honestly I agree with almost everything here lol I would love this as a somewhat regular series kinda like Kiara and Mumei have Girlstalk.

[@silentKeys20]

The ultimate hater meets the ultimate cope huffer 😂

[@bearmug]

Waiting for the day for more of these podcast-esque streams

[@fiddlemyfoddle6374]

What a time to be recommended this…

[@TheXell]

God this stream was so peak, absolutely amazing chemistry between these two.

[@neetpride5919]

Imagine being in line at the bank and making small talk by talking about the enemies-to-lovers trope. It'd probably turn out well

[@iamwhatitoture]

There are a lot of things to say about the tropes and all, but none of that matters really, since you haven't watched OddTaxi. You gotta watch it (and perhaps, maybe do it as a members watchalog) It was a fun, green Yapping stream. Just like you two like the romances with hate, enemies etc most, I liked the bits where you two argued most. It's truly great to see my favourite holomems collabing! Green sweep!

[@Zeon081]

"ThE dUkE oF tHe NoRtH" It's always the duke of the north ALWAYS lol

[@MrFenix230]

This is a dream come true. I loved the interactions between this green ladies in EN Reco, glad to see them collab again

[@DisFantasy]

"There's only one bed" is a test of character.

[@inthem00d59]

Thank you for the stream, green ladies 💚💚 There were certainly some interesting discussions had here

[@y0blo]

Almost 3 hours of Yapping.. SWEET NOURISHMENT

[@saidaht6]

Very fun stream, especially enjoyed them arguing over "fated mates". Even though I'm a Sapling, I'm afraid I have to agree with Cecilia on that one.

[@hecatus]

I absolutely loved this stream. Thank you for the creative, fun, yappy collab!

[@hicks7884]

1:57:05 Friends to lovers work best if the couple are introduced to scenarios that are new to both of them. Events that test that bond.

[@MrDarksol]

I've been waiting to see the 2 cute lovely green Rangers of Hololive english popping off together and this is already cute. We got a green ranger who's in automation and we got another green ranger who is mommy nature. Time for cute sweet energy with Cecilia and fauna!

[@KenkenLH]

Even i didnt know/read/watch some of the series they talked, its fun watching green yapping in stream while doing other things. Ola VOD enjoyer

[@Shiki0414]

Grumpy/sunshine couple is peak for me simply because of Hatori x Kana in Fruits Basket. That was the best pain. And I prefer the 2001 anime adaptation. Episode 8 of Fruits Basket (2001) "I'll keep on living inside this never-melting snow, so the dream I shared with you wouldn't melt away."

[@justinthyme1337]

This was a really nice collab. You two really resonate off each other. Thanks for putting this together!💚